HOW TO MAKE BIG 5.0L FORD MUSTANG POWER. 600-HP TURBO AND TORQSTORM SUPERCHARGER BOOSTED COMBOS!
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2022
- HOW MUCH POWER DOES A TURBO 5.0L FORD MAKE? HOW MUCH POWER CAN A TORQSTORM SUPERCHARGER MAKE? IS A BLOWER BETTER THAN A TURBO? WILL 600 HORSEPOWER SPLIT MY 5.0L FORD BLOCK? HOW MUCH POWER WILL PORTED HEADS MAKE ON MY 5.0L FORD? WHAT IS THE BEST 5.0L FORD CAM? WHICH 5.0L FORD INTAKE WORKS BEST UNDER BOOST? IS THE TFS STREET BURNER INTAKE ANY GOOD? HOW WELL DOES THE HOLLEY SYSTEMAX INTAKE WORK? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO ON 5.0L FORD POWER COMBOS, INCLUDING A PAIR OF HCI, NA COMBOS THEN A PAIR OF BOOSTED COMBOS! CHECK OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TURBO COMBO AND THE TORQSTORM, SUPERCHARGED COMBO! WHICH 600-HP 5.0L WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
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It's worth it to still be awake after 1AM here in the UK when Richard posts a new video.
Yup, allll the time 😆😆
About time we are back on sbf 💪
Funny I built an almost exact engine for my 1973 Maverick Grabber. Except it has 11.0 to 1 comp ratio, 331 stroker. Same heads (older when they were another brand RHS bought) Same Cam. Dynoed at 464fwhp at 5800rpm and I can't recall the torq. The valves and springs were all picked for the heads, no preassembled BS. Harland Sharp roller rockers. It runs 11.18s@119mph. Trans is c4 roller bearings full reverse valve body, has a transbrakes but never used it. Need some better slicks for that. It would def hit 10.80s/10.90s imho.
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Did H/C/I, recently, in my Fox. Wasn’t scary enough. Been piecing a turbo kit together, over the winter. Thanks for the sbf vids. You’ve been a bad influence on me since the magazine & book days.
happy to help brother
Ah turbo
Streetcar = centrifugal
Race car with slicks = turbo
Obviously traction is the limiting variable here. The centrifugal will come on smoother, be more linear & street friendly.
the turbo would be cheaper
Street car=turbo
Trailer hitch with a box of lead behind rear tires. No more traction problems. Modern problems require modern solutions
Personally I’d turbo everything. It’s cheaper, no stress on crank, no parasitic loss, no belt slip issues, no pulley swaps, no parasitic drag, and quiets the car down.
Thank 4 upload Richard you da man
Love the 302 ford stuff. Turbo is the way to go.
Ive dealt with spray, centris, and positive displacement blowers but the ability to maintain a fixed amount of boost with a turbo is simply awesome and its something I cannot wait to dabble with.
My 95 mustang 5.0 ran stock longblock, hci and all with little to no issue after the tune. Just some rich startups. It ran a non intercooled kb blowzilla/flowzilla 2.2 at 15psi at 5500 rpms short shifting. Intake side had an anderson power pipe and 75mm tb. Fueling was 42lb injectors and 340lph pump. It had longtubes full 2.5 inch duals with 3.73s and it felt like a big block in that little car. Having boost response at low rpms makes for a much different driving experience.
Hey Richard. I think I would like the blower more. But I was hoping to see more about fuel needs, , spark , etc. to glean a little more about ease of installation in both cases. Keep it up brother!!!
Depends on the application and what is more important. If I was going after reliably and longevity torquestorm. If I was going after peak power or towing turbo for sure. But then again I run 351w most of the time.😉
I mean I have seen the standard 5.0 Ford blocks split with my own eyes. There’s a reason why the Ford guys go to a Ford sportsman block or an aftermarket block. There is a huge difference between running a motor on a dyno in controlled conditions versus in a car with weather variables and driveline shock.
Checkout stock block records. You can get them to hold together. I believe record is 4.60 in 1/8
love all your videos, wish you included flow numbers on all of them, ford chevy mopar, as you say the engine is nothing but a pump, it all gets down to the cylinder heads!
Built a 347 with a vortech b trim 15yrs ago makes 675hp and still runs great. 14lbs of boost performer rpm heads comp nx282hr-14 cam .565 .580 lift 232 244
That’s impressive man. Wish my basic turbo 351w setup made that power
Nice and healthy
@@timweb1510 It can easily make that power with a set of heads and a s475 turbo. Big turbo but cheap for what you get out of them
Richard you need to see my cougar xr7 90 that I turbo swapped! With all the knowledge you gave us!
the best forced induction is the desired boost curve
i'd go with a properly sized turbo
Added a 172 b&m and it sure woke things up. Any boost beats no boost
Turbo. However, that is predicated on being able to get it installed. I do not have the fabrication skills and tools to build complex turbo exhaust and intercooler ducting. Having an application specific turbo kit available, such as those for Fox Body Mustangs, would be major factor in the decision. I had a 05 Mustang GT with a Magnuson supercharger that was bolted on over a weekend and it made a whole new car out of it. Hard to argue those results.
Dam rich you the best dude
thnx
I'm a fan of turbocharging.
YOU SHOULD DO A FORD 460 STROKE OR SUPERCHARGED
I really want to try one of them torque storms thinking about putting one on my LS truck I was going to do the LSA blower but God people want so much for them right now it's like over 3 Grand to get the whole thing like they want like 1500 bucks just for the lids and then you still got to do the belt routing and everything and I've had lots of fun with my vortecs and I did have a powerdyne back in the day and they were fine as long as you didn't spin them past like 36,000 RPMs but after that they would just fall apart no matter what you did cuz I had all the upgrades and didn't make a difference impeller upgraded like gears better case venting do yourself a favor if you ever see a powerdyne run and now I'm talking about the belt driven ones not that very last gear driven one that they made but with that one you had to run oil lines and on a lot of cars nowadays it is a pain in the ass to drop the oil pan to do a return line or at least do it right I've never been brave enough to try and do the return line with the oil pan on the car and grease on the tap and hope that you don't get any shavings in the engine but if you don't know the backstory the powerdyne went to the guys who make torque storm and asked him to make them a self contained unit like the vortec V3 and the pro charger but you know Powerdynes are always super cheap and when the machining shop came back and told them the price it was going to be the guys reneged on their deal and just left and so instead of dropping all that time and effort they had they decided to just make it themselves also they told me if you have a powerdyne setup and you think you can put a torque storm blower on it you cannot they changed the bolt spacing cuz I asked them I got the whole story and now the spacing is slightly different and they will not bolt up directly I suppose you could maybe modify the bracket or something but those powerdyne brackets were too thin and flimsy anyways they had too much deflection I do like how these storm guys have a good strong t6 aluminum that's three quarters of an inch thick so it minimizes deflection anyways this is getting too long but I think I might put one of those on my truck just still trying to figure out if I'm going to cam it or not have to do both at the same time cuz they want like $1,000 for a freaking Dyno tune nowadays
Love your video! I'm adding holley systemax intake on my stock 302 that has trickflow 170 heads. Im have a v3 supercharger 12 psi. What size throttle body do you recommend.
INTAKE SHOULD MATCH THROTTLE OPENING
Turbo! Especially for going for the SBE record. And you'll get more mph out of a turbo
I vote turbo for ease of use, but all out and a lot more aggravation nitrous hands down.
Yes!....YES!.......welllll.........
Ford 5.0L street motor ftw.
Programming in a boost curve for the street would let you ride your traction limitations with TURBO. I say turbo all day long if you want the most power and thus the fastest accelerating vehicle with the least power loss to make BOOST
I would love to see what a VS gen 2 78/75 turbo would’ve done.
Roughly 1000hp with the right fuel and tune up.
I know how to make more power out of it...
LS swap it!
Jk, great video man! As usual👍💪
Id like to know a recipe to a reliable Ls with some over 600hp, i try to put some extra to avoid breaking down
stock 5.3l with a turbo
What is the most horsepower for the money which Turbo would you go with
I think they use a smaller pulley and a bleeder valve on the intake to have a more turbo like boost curve out of the SC.
you can only increase boost slightly with a centrifugal at lower engine speeds by running small pulley and using bypass/wastegate
@@richardholdener1727 i just installed a torqstorm kit on a 302, could i use a bov with a solenoid as a bleeding valve? The kit didnt come with a bov for some reason.
306 9.5 compression TRW forged pistons stock ring gap with 180cc heads 2.02 valves x303 cam. Just installed a Cx racing hot side with a GT45 turbo blow through c&s carb tuned perfect. what’s the max boost I can run on my setup? The fuel I’m using is 109 unleaded race fuel so I can monitor my AFR.
the gt45 will only support near 700 hp or so
Can you gear the blower to blow harder down low and just have a pressure relief valve so it doesn’t go over a set boost to get a more powerful low end?
No.
Asked and answered already in previous video.
Richard, you alluded to the TB being possibly too small at the beginning. My explorer 5.0 has a 70mm and I snagged a gm TB and they start at 87mm. Obviously it isn't going to fit. But... What size TB should a healthy 5.0 have? Set up like these test engines are... GM says 87mm (for the 5.3). Ford says 70mm.
90mm works
I would prefer a supercharger to keep a climbing torque curve and hope to keep traction instead of wheel slip
Its definitely easier to be slow instead of learning power management.
have you tried finding the kenne bell kit for the pushrod 302? I heard they are hard to come by
I know a guy!
@@richardholdener1727 Thats sick!! If you can can you do a comparison with the kenne bell kit to a vortech kit? that would be so cool, and can we hear it being dyno’d if you ever make the video? thanks!!
I'm replacing the NA 351W in my '65 Mustang. I'm debating building a 393/408, another 351W or 347/331. I have both blocks, AFR 185 58cc heads & a D1 Procharger on the shelf. I've often wanted a 408, but since I only have small chamber 185 heads, I am leaning to an 8.2 block since the Procharger fits better too.
It is a fun street car with 5-speed & will be EFI. It'll have occasional autocross & dragstrip time.
What would you build & why? Any recommendations?
bigger is what I would do-the 351W block is also stronger
@@richardholdener1727 Would you keep it at 351 c.i. using the blower since I've only got 185s?
I’ve assembled a engine comparable to the first engine. I’m stuck on picking a turbo for it though. I like the maximum horsepower numbers and curves of your first engine here. Any suggestions on a turbo for my engine?
THE CHEAP GT45 WORKS WELL
@@richardholdener1727 looking for a more name brand. I’ve heard about daily driving reliability with cheaper turbos. Mainly seal failure. any borg Warner you would suggest?
I'd chose an LSx ...
How do these superchargers hold up over time ?? Any information would be great can't seem to find much on line
they hold up VERY well
We cant go past 10psi on a 5.0 similar to the one on the video with a torqstorm sc. (Explorer intake, forged TFhead/cam, intercooler, Efi.
Boost leak tested ok, tried reducing pulley size with no gains.
We know the TorqStorm will support over 700 hp, so if you are not there, then you have an issue
For me the simplicity of the centri, plus how hard I've seen them break the tires loose, have more power on the street, really is a waste and doesn't compute to quicker acceleration. Just my opinion
Here's what I know about the 5.0s splitting. There's no magical number where it happens but it's been proven that the 5.0s do split. However, 9/10 times it's the 1-5 non H-O firing order that does this. There's a really thin wall behind the timing cover between cylinders 1&5 and when they fire one after the other with enough power, the fracture starts in that thin spot. Eventually it cracks all the way down the lifter valley virtually splitting the engine in half. Most of the time, the H-O 1-3 firing order has less of a chance of doing this. This is why you also basically never see this with the 351w even though it's got the same thin spot.
who puts non HO cams in their HO?
I can only assume the supercharged engine would live longer
I've been planning a h/c/I swap on my 5.0 but I'm undecided which intake or heads I want. Its a tossup between AFR 165/185 or TFS 11r 170/190 the intake is between TFS street/Trackheat or holley systems 2 the cam is AFM N-41/N-51 the car its built for autocross/roadcourse but does go to local 1/8, 1/4 tracks and with the N-51 cam I'm willing to rev to 7000, the N-41 cam to 6600 if anyone's run that or similar combos any help would be appreciated.
you won't make power at 7000 rpm with either of those two intakes
That's ok I don't want to rev it that high. Have you done any tests that run a similar combination or which head or intake might suit me better
A Whipple o k Belle supercharger makes even more sense. That is what Ford chose
Ford never used either of those on a 5.0L-they used a lot of Eaton blowers on production motors though
Turns out there is a replacement for displacement
Twin turbo
What lifters do you run in 5.0?? Thanks
comp or stock usually
What grade of fuel did you run on these tests? e85?
yes e85
Injection is nice- but I’d rather be blown!
What fuel did you use to run these combos?
e85
How long til the block splits?
Very long. They are much stronger than the rumors suggest.
Supercharger 4 me
I vote for roots blower. Chicks dig them, so there's that. Thank you for your time.
Yes, positive displacement superchargers FTMFW!!
That turbo engine would be real fun in a 4wd explorer.
How about the 3.8 essex
Is that the same TURD that came in the Ford Windstar and Mustang SN-95 ?
I would like to see that too, BIG BANG like the BUICK 3.8L V6.
@@GIGABACHI factory supercharged in the MN12 'Birds & Cooters. Good for 345 ft/lbs in its last couple of years, too bad it was saddled in a 2-ton car. Had they dropped it into the fox or even SN95, I think it would've worthy of the SVO name.
They say the Essex eats head gaskets like a 6.0 PS but I don't know how much of that is attributed to abuse & overheating. I had 1 in an '87 Cooter, granted not a blower app but that car still did 360K before getting T-boned & I never touched the head gaskets on it (nor much of anything else for that matter, still had the original AOD). YMMV
@@acemobile9806 oh, that's right. I forgot they slapped that thing in the T-Bird.
Still pretty gutless even on blown form.
Sorry for my stock 50 Pistons
the supercharger car will hook on the street the turbo torque down low will split the 5.0 in half
Here's how it is! Lol end of discussion... if you have a heavy 3.08 gear car take the turbo for the low-end torque. if you have a 2800 lb 5 speed car with 4.11 you're already going to have no traction down low and you'll be at 5k RPM before your foot is off cluch. So go with Rising boost. Prove me wrong. But probably go with something a little bit bigger than that weak-ass torqstorm
Little aaTorgstorn is good for little over 700HP.
At that level I would be a little more worried about the explorer block holding together. Lol
One word: "Twin turbos." With intercoolers. (Mu-hu. Mu-hu-hu. Mu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu-hu-HU-HU-HU-HU-HU-HU-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAH!!!)
Supercharger guys are always drooling on themselves, shouting "But I want all the boost NOW! I don't want to wait for a turbo to spool."
Then Richard drops this video and explains rising boost rate with RPM, and shows how turbo lag is almost not a thing when the unit is sized properly for the engine.
Well you know what we used to do back in the day if we had a centrifugal and we want a more power down low but not a whole bunch of top we would put on basically what amounted to an air leak and put a smaller pulley on spin the centrifugal faster so you'd make more boost down low and then he would bleed it off up top so he's only made 10 psi or whatever Max I only did that on one set up and I didn't like it so I just took it off
guys have run wastegates on them for years and years, with smaller pulleys-it helps but does not do what a turbo does
Turbo guys are always drooling on themselves thinking they don't really have much turbo lag until they experience the instantaneous neck-snapping torque of a modern positive displacement supercharger.
They both have their place, they both do different things better than the other.
It's also important to remember that dynos aren't actually even close to being able to accurately simulate the load of an actual car, and initial boost response is heavily dependent on that in a turbocharged application.
600 horses on a stock 302 block? It will definitely split the block super quick!
A 302 block can take over 1000hp... the block hes using is not a 302 block its a 5.0ho rollor block, completely different block. The rollor block is much weaker than the 302 block, the rollor block can safely handle 650ish hp... i wouldn't go much beyond that just to be safe.
Personally I blame squirrels
Let us know when you split the block! Internet myth.