Why Mexico’s $29B Train Megaproject Is So Controversial | WSJ Breaking Ground
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Mexico’s $29 billion Tren Maya megaproject is set to open on Dec. 15 after 3 years of construction and controversy. The 950 mile-long tracks could enrich the region by ferrying 8,000 passengers a day from Cancun to Tulum to Merida. Mexican officials say the project will kickstart the Yucatan’s economy-but what are environmentalists and economists saying?
WSJ explains what the Maya Train says about Mexico’s drive for growth and the costs that come with it.
Chapters:
0:00 The Maya Train
0:49 Why Mexico is building
2:50 The cost to the people
4:35 The cost to the government
4:59 The cost to the environment
Breaking Ground digs into megaprojects around the world, uncovering what these developments might mean for the surrounding region and the ultimate costs.
#Mexico #Megaprojects #WSJ
Europe builds infrastructure: "Progress!"
Mexico builds infrastructure: "How dare you?!"
no , most of the population is on bored, only corrupt conservatives have opposition to it, WSJ is uninformed
USA is afraid that if the 4T continues as plan ..there will be no more "cheap-slave" Mexican labor to build the American houses and infrastructure.... o poor Americans, they will have to get their hands dirty
True story!
Exactly 👍
Hahaha If you can say that you obvously know nothing about projects in europe and how controversias thwy can be for the local population.
Every time a developing country builds something it’s always portrayed negatively because it means that poorer country is another step closer to catching up to the rich nations.
You think the Wall Street journal is reporting this because they don’t want Mexico to advance? Don’t you have some biology homework to do kiddo?
Amén…
❤
There are some fair points, especially cenote clearance. But yeah, if Europe and America didn't ignore the environment for most of their development, almost nothing would be built to this day.
Uhh no train projects are ciriticized in rich and poor countries becuase of the number of them that have failed... which far exceed the numbers that have been wildly succesful.
There's a 4 lane highway parallel to the proposed train (rt 307 and rt 180) that ALREADY cuts through the jungle but instead has dirty polluting cars instead of a more efficient train. The train should not be controversial when the highway already exists.
unfortunately the government designed a diesel train instead of an electric one, the disregard for the environment by Lopez Obrador has been disastrous
@ignaciocampos8435 Actually is a mix, because one part of the route is electrify
Also, I don't think many rich retirees will take the 30-hour bus from Cancun to Chiapas. This train should open the tap on all this tourism revenue
@@ignaciocampos8435diesel trains are still more efficient than a highway, but i believe it’s a hybrid of something. It has a pantograph.
IS HYBRID IN DID @@miles5600
hold on how is this a issue??? Mexico is trying to build a train that will create millions of jobs and that will increase Mexico's economy...What is the issue??? This project is a good thing for all of Mexico
Only issue I see is deforestation of trees and destruction of smaller ancient Mayan ruins (some were left intact, around 7%). It's sad if you actually go deep in these important things but it's been done already and hopefully they learn to respect Nature better. The project has potential to be greeat though.
hurt big car industry 🤣
they planted millions of trees. Created animal under and overpasses, protected lost cities what more do you want?
@@sun1goldn
It's an ISSUE because of the environmental impact that's the major PROBLEM❗
Anytime you start a HUGE project on this scale there will be negative side effects associated with the project that have to be discussed 💯
@@sun1goldn aredy toll road in area
As an American, I am excited to see our southern neighbor develop and chart its own path. Proud of you Mexico!
That was not patronizing at all.
But they are Americans…
As an American, you should pity them for this stuipd plan. Yes it could be a great success, but they are so many pit falls along the way, there was probably 100 alternative projects of similar scale that had a much better chance of succeeding. This has such a low chance of succeeding, and it gonna cost so much, its gonna take over 3% of the entire Mexican budget. The tourism tax that they levied will not even pay for 25% of the railway, so crazy amounts of borrowing is being done instead.
@eugeniorenaldos I do see your prospective and did not mean to come across that way. That being said, my sentiment is still the same. Genuine pride for our southern neighbor.🇲🇽
@samthesuspect Let's give it some time to see how it plays out. Could go several directions.
As an American traveler who frequents Tulum, Mexico, I don't mind paying a lil more taxes to help support this project and the economy
Welcome to the train maya.
Can you spare a few billions?
Even if it destroys the ecosystem?
@TheJtorres182 highways have a much more adverse effect on the environment than trains. Just look at the disasters that the highways thru Hawai'i's and Brazil's jungles have been, vs how well protected Siberia is even though the trans-Siberian railroad passe thru it. The south-east desperately needs infrastructure, and the train is the least eco-adverse option of them all
Thank you.
😂😂😂Controversial? Eighty percent of Mexicans agree with the train, the only ones who consider it controversial are the multinationals, including the American ones that could not get rich
Probably the ones that didn’t and will not make a profit out of the train.
No they don't
El 80% de mexicanos de acuerdo con ese ecocidio y desvio de fondos estas loco
El 80% probablemente esta en contra, de donde sacas ese dato?
Pues los que vivimos en la península estamos de acuerdo
As a Mexican , I’m very proud of the Tren Maya!!!
Mmmm
Me too!!
As yucatecan, me too
Yes ma’am 👍🏼
As a mexican, I'm not.
So, The Wall Street Journal interviews Antonio Azuela, who is supposedly an authority in the field. However, he was Mexico's environmental attorney in the 90s. And do you know what the state of the environment was like back then? When did these so-called authorities actually care about southeastern Mexico? Everyone has an opinion, and his is just one among many. It's easy to talk, but what about taking action?
No matter how much CREDIBILITY someone has you will still sag their opinion is WRONG because according to AMLO fanboys like you anything NEGATIVE (even if its true) against AMLO is like sacrilege 😂🤦♂️
Sorry sir, I neither vote nor live in Mexico, but I am familiar with what Mexico was like in the 90s. My concern is not with AMLO specifically, but with a video that's hosted by a supposed authority on the matter. I'm not sure what you really understood.🤣🤦♂
Mexico was actually a leader in environmental policy. In fact, they were one of the first Latin American countries to invest in renewables and the key negotiator that got Central American countries to agree to the Paris Climate Accords. Much of the regulation that permitted that leadership was written in the 90s.
Of course, that all stopped with AMLO, who refused to allow private companies to develop lithium mining, stopped wind projects on the Istmo, and tried (and failed) to build a new oil refinery.
So yes, I would trust the word of a climate minister from the 90s much more than that of anyone from the current administration. Much of the environmental protections AMLO ignored (but should have protected the peninsula from the environmental destruction) exist thanks to this guy--since you said you care about action.
He’s just mad he didn’t get his cut from foreign companies like he’s used to.
Let's say he's all of that, and more. That doesn't mean what he's saying here is wrong.
Ad hominem.
Environmentalists be criticizing the project, but travel non-stop via plane and use other types of transportation that pollute and affect the environment, but no one talks about it. Of course environmentalists are so capable of criticizing, but can’t up the economy.
who are the environmentalists in question that "travel non-stop"
Not to mention they would still go to Tulum but would rent a car in Cancun and drive there if there was no train, which s of course way more polluting.
No fue por eso que cancelaron el aeropuerto de Texcoco? Hipócritas
@@envelopedAntonio Azuela just to get started. He’s an academic known for doing his research outside of Mexico, with funds from the opposition.
many. I work in environmental science, and most fly to conferences, events, personal travel. Stop the hypocrisy, yes, could have been done better, but we have to start somewhere. Next trains and routes can be improved. Let´s not be crabs pulling down. @@enveloped
Thats bs, the environmental studies were done a year before construction, that isn’t mentioned in this biased video. The route was changed a few times to accommodate the cenotes and underground caves found DURING these studies. All these pseudo environmentalist in these US funded NGO’s, didn’t protest about the devastation caused by US mining companies like Calica, in the region. The infamous ngo “Selvame del tren” specifically used to oppose this project, is literally funded by NED, used by the US to destabilize countries around the world.
You are talking RECKLESS about USA when USA has many Mexicans living here. USA is a major part of MEXICO'S economy and you are talking like USA and MEXICO are enemies 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I think you should stop talking because the relationship between Mexico and USA is good right now ❗
What do you looks in your mouth ?
@@albertp.3893 yes they made Mexico still poor .
¿Cuales estudios según tú? Nunca hicieron ninguno bien. Todos los tramos lo hicieron por sus huveos no existe ningún estudio de impacto ambiental
Toda la razón Estados Unidos ni quiere el progreso de países subdesarrollados no quieren un Japón a sus puertas
Why nobody talks about all the Hotels that are contaminating the Area? and is not money for our country cause all the hotels are owned by foreing companies. Tren Maya is a Mexican project, by Mexicans and for Mexicans.
What Mexicans? The bus is cheaper. It is a project from the president to his friends.
Because the criminal mexico president said there wasn't going to be not even 1 tree cut. U get it? Not even 1 tree cut.
Well, you need to understand it going get worse the US is going spend over a trillion US dollar in Central Mexico. So look out.
@@Madame702 China is already doing it
Now they pay taxes
A railway project is a much better definition of progress than projects that would satisfy automakers (highways and freeways).
Mexico is doing the right thing.
No. Papa Murdoch wants Mexico to burn more fossil fuels in the most inefficient and wasteful manner possible!
A railway project that's actually viable and doesn't serve as a tourist attraction with the downside of plowing trough acres of jungle
@@ajga5435hotels, residences and "green turists" attractions destroyed more in 10 years than the only tren maya. The train was built with the approval of experts, not a few of Instagram "environmentalist" influencers like U can guess.
@@ajga5435 Agreed. A nationwide rail network would have been more resilient than a literal tourist train.
@@bobsinhav It would, unfortunatelly these types of projects don't go much further than politics and nationalism. Amlo's government Is heavily pro oil and all railway projects are mainly thought as a mean to transport freight and oil for the state oil company.
Dr. Azuela, what did you do to prevent the ecological disaster caused by the Vulcan company (Calica) in Playa del Carmen and the Xcaret group in the Yucatan cenote ring? his professional career, his performance as Federal Attorney for Environmental Protection (Mexico) and advisor to state governments and federal agencies on urban planning and environmental law stands out operated for 36 years and devastated 1,200 hectares of jungle, underground rivers, cenotes and mangroves, causing an environmental disaster that destroyed the jungle and contaminated water and soil in the region
And this RAILROAD will DESTROY it even MORE‼️🤦♂️
So what are you going on about❓😆
Two wrongs don't make a right
@ajga5435 two different things.
@@ajga54351. Increase the length of stay of national and international tourism. 2. Facilitate interconnectivity with national airports. 3. Transport workers and goods along the Route. 4. Communicate the microregions of the state with the cities that will have a train station. 5. Increase tourist and commercial flows in the south of the country. 6. Promote the urban reorganization of the route area. 7. Open new development regions in the region. 8. Avoid vehicle overload on the roads. 9. Reduce pollutants by reducing the number of freight trucks.
@@efracarmona16The Mayan Train is accompanied by the largest reforestation program in the world, which is Sembrando Vida - which plants 500 million fruit and timber trees in the Mexican southeast -, as well as the expansion of protected natural areas
It is not controversial, stop talking nonsense, in Mexico the majority of people including the indigenous natives agree with this train
LOL! But not the owner of the wall street journal LOL!... Same crazy guy who owns FOX NEWS!! who hates Mexico
They have been brainwashed that the only real progress is dollar progress.
No they don't
yes they do. I work with indigenous communities, read the reports from scientist in the area.@@javiervega1065
@@javiervega106580 % approval from the Mexican people you belong in the 20%
Those complaining about the environment impact are just a bunch of hypocrites. Those “environmentalists” did nothing when all the touristic infrastructure (hotels, restaurants, etc.) was initiated many years ago, devastating so much of the jungle; now even some stretches of rivers and some “cenotes” are in private properties. The gringo company “Vulcan materials” (CALICA) destroyed for many years a large portion of jungle, even using dynamite, and nobody said anything about it. In Europe, the main means of transportation is by train, and obviously it had environmental impact. Yes, the infrastructure was over the initial budget allocation but in some cases was due to changes (more stations, change of route, etc.). Can you tell what kind of infrastructure, in the whole world, was built within the budget. Over the budget projects has been the norm in all projects in Mexico since so many decades ago.
Exactly
You got it exactly right my boy. Thank you.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because hotels have been ravaging the jungle it doesn't mean the train project is justified to do the same type of devastation in the jungle and rushing the project instead of taking into account proper environmental studies and doing the least damage possible.
"In Europe, the main means of transportation is by train, and obviously it had environmental impact" I don't know if in Europe trains are built trough such delicate terrain like cenotes are.
@@ajga5435yes, they are my dear hypocrite moralistic
Una vez más todo se reduce a "Sí pero el PRI robó más".
Rich countries: "Let's promote mass transpo system for better efficiency and lesser carbon emission."
Poor countries exactly doing it for the greater good.
Also rich countries: "Wait, that's illegal..."
poor? lol
No doubt about the inequalities in Mexico, but poor? C'mon stop watching american media as your sort of education!
Calling Mexico poor is crazy, we have the 12th biggest economy in the world atm, our GDP per capita is not the highest, but it's mandatory
it's not the same, Rich countries don't have cenotes, Mayan ruins or tropical rainforest. If their projects exceed their initial budgets it's considered a failure.
@@yuyinho visit a rich country my friend. Soo manny people in Mexico live month to month or are in debt, others need social programs to survive. Security is non existant. Don't get me started on the lack of medicine or access to healthcare.
Kudos for Mexico! They’re doing what US can’t do because of over regulation and ridiculous labor cost! California has been trying to complete the environmental studies for last 10 years and still not started and already over budget!
Labor costs aren’t the problem in the U.S. we can afford it. Lawsuits over where tracks go along with a Republican Party trying to sabotage everything the government tries to do are the biggest issues.
There is a bunch of red tape and corruption in building. The fact the current president went around all that is pretty much why some people are so angry at this president. A lot of people who benefit from corruption have lighter pockets and are angry.
U.s would rather fight Wars cause misery destroy countries than invest on its own infrastructure
This project is 3x over it’s budget and we don’t know it’s environmental impact. What will happend to it id we have a hurricane or if people decide to block it to protest and take it hostage? They already do that to highways so trains would be even easier
@@sdb2885Its way more complete than any project in Mexico has ever been at 3x over budget.
I had a dream that mexico built a high speed train from Oaxaca to Tijuana wow that would make America and Canada look so bad.
Mexico already has a similar project that will begin construction next year after the elections.
Now all that is needed is demand for it.
En el otro sexenio conectarán los estados del norte por ahora es el sur, Cancún Palenque,Palenque Coatzacoalcos,Coatzacoalcos SaslinaCruz y Salina Cruz Tapachula…
Geography my friend. Oaxaca has too manny mountains and hills, you would be bulding bridges and tunnels to serve one of the scarcest populate parts of Mexico. meanwhile the Bajio is flat and population density is much higher
Some people do not get that there is no infinite money and that the most useful projects are the ones that must be built. Not whatever fits their wishful view of social justice
If Mexico really wants to drive growth, they should built as much rail as possible to connect Mexico City with the US and the northern cities like Monterrey. The massive ongoing industrial reshoring in the US means equally huge opportunities for Mexican industry and trade, but they need the travel links to central Mexico to make it work.
Mexico already had train tracks that connected the entire country but idiot Zedillo privatized them
NO! Please understand you don't know what you talking about. Northern Mexico is a desert with no, and I mean no infrastructure to support anyone. The Mexican families that live their scrap out of living when the can. But almost no one live in Northern Mexico.
That would be a mistake for Mexico as they would rely heavily on the USA (even more). Which would be fatal if the US decides to put tariffs on Mexico if they just fell like it, like they already did with Trump.
@@JamesPeach In a trade dispute Mexico would face a foreign currency crisis. And in a foreign currency crisis rail is brilliant, because unlike trucks/planes it doesn't use masses of oil, letting Mexico export that.
That's why China build so much rail, its good for self sufficiency.
@@JamesPeachthey can’t, NAFTA forbids it.
I grew up visiting my grandmother in Mexico and one thing that stood out was the dire need for new infrastructure. I'm glad AMLO is finally stepping up to the plate and building the much needed trains and roads that the country has needed, not to mention countless of other telecommunications, healthcare, and educational projects.
Indeed this is an answear from a man with mexican reality knowelge and above all Love For MExico and MExicans. Thanks
Tu si saves bro
The train full of corruption and money laundering and not for the poor.
No Will, it not that. You see Mexico is in a tropical zone. Notice countries from Central and South America to Africa that are in tropical zones have a hard time. Why? Concrete cracks and crumbles in the tropical heat. Asaphite boils so it really expensive to build and maintain infrastructure. That why you don't see African, and Central and South American countries dominating economic activities.
Would that excuse the cost going from 8 to 29 billion dollars? Amlo is just another corrupt politician like all those before him
Viva 🎉 México 🇲🇽.
Saludos de 🇬🇹
Ojalá y llegue el tren hasta Guatemala! Saludos hermanos 🇲🇽 🇬🇹🙏🏽
Viva Mexico. The World will get to see the wonders of such a Beautiful paradise and All of the benefits is for our native people. I am from Cancun and I am so proud to say Viva Amlo!!!
Bus is cheaper. It is not for the natives, it is for the tourists and even then there is no indication that will cover the expense. You people were told it is another of those whimsical presidential projects. But a personality cult turns off higher reasoning.
@jonatand2045 just shut up, don't worry about it, lived your life and be happy, is that clear or need more explanations
@@jonatand2045 the main reason they built it is not for tourism it’s to transport all the natural resources in the youcatan, i would be very surprised if it doesn’t get its money back
@@papimexico
Don't get triggered because how broken the idea is gets shown.
@@martingregory6993
How will it transport cargo without slowing the passenger train?
A train from Puerta Vallarta to Guadalajara to Morelia to Mexico City to Queretaro to San Luis Potosi to Matehuala to Saltillo to Monterrey to Nuevo Laredo and if the US invested some money they could continue it to Laredo to San Antonio to Austin to Waco to Dallas to Oklahoma City to Wichita to Kansas City to St. Louis to Chicago.
Now you just need proof it will be worth the investment. Hint: Passenger trains need population density to be economical.
the US has nothing to do with this and is so far behind. Leave them out of this. Americans love driving let Mexico progress
Keep the USA OUT! We don't need more Corporate greed!
Well, while the tren maya is built under strict environmental regulations, the government stopped the production of granite by an American company, which causes incredible pollution
This right here, its what many news outlets won’t or "can’t" report even if it wanted to. That company has been literally destroying a large area of the Yucatan rainforest for over 30+ yrs but there were no major protests or news were there? oh but his project,which did really try to minimize the the destruction of the forest while starting to bring more economical value to the people makes a huge buzz ( they did plant many trees in areas they has to cut down in the end too) .
That's interesting...
@@andromeda45188lo hacen de forma pacífica también, si lo piensas, al generar más empleo eso provoca que los carteles pierdan a más jóvenes pobres. No es fácil cuando USA los arma con armamento realmente letal, y la geografía de nuestras tierras los hace difíciles de atrapar
@@andromeda45188same as the USA according to your opinion the cartels stop acting at the border once they unload their merchandise? Then who’s selling the merchandise in every corner of every American city? Who’s getting the wealth that this activity is product is generating? No cartels in the good old USA? Give me a break!!!
@@andromeda45188the amerrican goberment should also ban guns, since they are the easiest to obtein for cartels. which plagues mexico and american schools, shopping malls etc
Oh be sure I want to travel on this train. Thanks for watching our progress in our beloved Mèxico. Viva Mèxico!
So nice to see all the support for Mexico 🇲🇽, thank you all.
Amazing. These are the type of projects we want to see from Mexico. Using government money for big projects such as this one is a positive thing. I'm not an economist, but I can tell that it will bring long term economic growth and it looks like a beautiful trip to take.
Projects done based on presidential whim without the demand to justify them. That you like it is no evidence that it will bring growth.
I thought we needed security and hospitals….
These projects are very wasteful look at the train from San Francisco to Los Angeles (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail) they can't even finish it and they're trying to start another from Dallas to Houston (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Central_Railway). Several European trains have also been boondoggles just a waste of money they call them train to nowhere you can google "Spains train to no where" or "Californias train to no where" and in the future "Texas' train to no where".
@@sdb2885he's already finished 20 hospitals that your corrupt friends never finished and by the way he has not killed anybody as your friends did, Calderon narco state
According to Wall Street journal, a free project other than US and UK is controversial 😂😂😂😂😂
WSJ never said that.
Don't make stuff up pls ✋
NO, ITS NOT CONTROVERSIAL, NOBODY IN MEXICO WAS AGAINST THIS TRAIN, JUST THE MEDIA.
At least they're building passenger railroads. Here in Brazil we only build freight railroads, unfortunately. I find it very curious how development in Europe or in the United States is appreciated, but Latin American countries are condemned when they invest in infrastructure.
No one complained when Mexico built the world's second largest solar plant or the second highest bridge in the world at their time. It's not about the projects being in latin america or not, it's about them being good projects or terrible projects.
No progress without risk go for it
that's how all environmental disasters start...
@@sdb2885😅
You sound like youre really wishing for it.
Odd.
@@MrTotalluck I was wishing for better projects which actually do target poverty rather than gentrify the country further at the cost of our invaluable ecosystem. By the way the train already derailed this week...
@@sdb2885
If a country that relies heavily on turism like México stablishes projects in that direction, that's a bust for the economy.
And from the internacional news that minor incident correlated to any railroad was fixed.
Still the way you highlight It, further the impresión of your prior comment.
@@MrTotalluck Mexico does not heavily rely on tourism. The Yucatan peninsula does and it a safer bet to diverisify the economy as natural disasters, pandemics and insegurity can greatly scare tourists away.
There are efforts to industrialize Merida and puerto progreso was supposed to be a tax-free area with great internet connectivity to atract ICT industries but now everything was diverted to a train…
The train costed more than 4x it’s orginal budget and already derailed. You give me the impression that you would forgive anything and any manner they fudge up this project.
If we really wanted to increase tourism we would need more airports because no tourist arrives to Mexico by train and the air tickets to Mexico are crazy expensive when compared to other destinations.
How dare Mexico try to build Infrastructure
do you think this is the first time Mexico has built infrastructure?
@@sdb2885 no
@@moctezumaaleg2008 then holding the project accountable should not pose a problem.
I am Mexican, and I can say that the Mayan Train is a project that the southeastern Mexico needed. The controversy arises from opposition governments presenting arguments such as deforestation, extinction of fauna, corruption, among other problems, which are clearly exaggerated by themselves. The Mayan Train is a great project of this government.
Así es, pero al parecer la oposición no sólo está en México.
But from 7 billion to 29 billion.. I smell a payday for the president
It's $22 billion over budget. Mexico has a tradition of corruption so I wonder where it went.
The opposition did not build the train... Does it bother you that they demand accountability from this government?
It’s a great addition to the country and region. They’re also building an alternative logistical system to the Panama Canal and a train line connecting Mexico City airports
You mean the corrupt airport no one wants to use? This train was unecessary. We had highways. The cost is now 29 billion dollars, if this is not corruption than what is it?
@@sdb2885the only corruption is the right!!!
@@Oscar-hj7fp and amlo is a right leaning conservative. This is why he is called the Mexican Trump. It's very hypocritical to forgive corruption when it is from the political party you like.
@@sdb2885?????? El Trump mexicano!?? De cual te estas inyectando amigo?
I think the train is a good thing. It is also easier to control gangsters and hindering them from travelling around with guns by train, than with more almost uncontrollable roads.
P.S.: I am happy that I could still climb the castillo pyramid, when it was still allowed in the early 2000s.
me too back in 1995 OMG THE VIEW FROM TOP TO THE JUNGLE WAS AMAIZING!!
Gangsters were given power by the useless drug prohibition.
Gangsters don’t travel by train. They might block it and rob everyone though
@@sdb2885The project is managed by the Mexican Navy, I don't think they dare hijack infrastructure controlled by a military force.
@@bryansantiesteban3584 it’s run by the army. The Mexican army… the one incapable of dealing with druglords let alone defend the country is now building trains… What do you expect them to do? By being hijacked I mean by protesters, do you think they will shoot civilians? I mean our president would love to make us tropical North Corea if he could
This video is so biased to the negative aspects of a project. In a few words, answering to the title of the video: because the WSJ is giving voice to a minority that has been criticizing all the doings of AMLO since the begining of his administration.
So people are supposed to ignore the "negative aspects" evdn if it's TRUE❓🤔
It's true that this minority is overrepresented in the media. The wsj just echoes the biased arguments of the political opposition with no serious analysis of their fake claims.
Viva Mexico 🇲🇽
Amazing!! 29 billion for over 900 plus miles of high speed rail in such a short time wow! Meanwhile California high speed train of only 520 miles and mostly built in flat desert area is close to 180 billion and will take easily another 10 years to complete if ever.
California is building a bullet train, it's twice as fast as that one built in Mexico, the level of complexity is far greater. Check brightline in florida, that one is much more similar to the one in Mexico and they are not 3x over budget
Mexico's presidente AMLO, doesn't just promise HE DELIVERS. LONG LIVE PRESIDENT ANDRES MANUEL LÓPEZ OBRADOR
How dare you, Mexico?? 😂😂
That's a very cynical point of view
As Yucatecan (with maya heritage) and Mexican I completley support the Tren Maya
You are also someone who doesn't understand the demand is not there to justify the project.
@@jonatand2045
Aré you allright?
Someone expresses His Best wishes for His land AND all you can do Is insult him telling him he doesnt understand.
As if you had the right.
@@MrTotalluck
Good wishes don't save a massive amount of taxes from being wasted. It isn't an insult, just a neutral fact.
@@jonatand2045
Nice. A very elaborated justificación for you in order to not pay taxes. Too old though.
Good luck to you all.
@@MrTotalluck
No, it would be much more efficient to connect the Mexico megacity with rail first to other cities for example.
Good for Mexico. I wish the US would bypass environmental impact reports and the court system and actually get something built for once.
Lol, if only you knew the things they do in Texas for the sake of car infrastructure. It'd be nice if they took public transit as serious as they do car infrastructure, then it might actually reduce traffic congestion.
that's idiotic, you *might* want to make sure you don't contaminate your drinking water
Also the Maya train is a presidential whim with no indication it will pay off. It is painful to see so much tax being wasted.
You would also wish for infrastructure projects in the U.S to cost 3x their original budget?
@@sdb2885 Hasn't their California train already reached that point?
I like the train system, the airports and refineries they built in the last 30 years better than this project... Nevermind, they didn't build anything and tax payer's money was gone. Also, the country was in debt on top of things. Where did all this money go to?
There are two very simple answers: 1) the debt buyout when AMLO canceled the new airport for Mexico City (this is why it is falling apart even though the airport fee is nearly half of the ticket price), and 2) sole source procurement (i.e. corruption).
Environmental minster from the 90s ok . not corrupt😒 how do you think those resorts got made without any oversights.
Its a big step for Mexico to start this journey in building Infrastructure and create more ideas for there country, this brings Growth, the Critics just dont want Mexico to Grow, For one to grow sacrifices need to be made..
do you think this is Mexico's first infrastructure project? I'm sure the spanish said something similar about sacrificies when they burned the mayan libraries but now a train will finish the job
@sdb2885 Do you mean the Aztec Library's?? Mayan and aztec are two different tribes, By the time the Spaniards got to Mexico the Mayan empire was gone and the aztec were the rolling tribe
@@richardoa623 The Mayan empire was gone but the Mayan city states and civilization was not. All scrolls and pieces of art were set on fire. I wouldn't call them tribes either, they were civilizations. Conquering the Mayan cities took a lot longer than the Aztec empire as there was no emperor to subjugate and they had to be conquered one by one. Now for the benefit of foreigners we are destroying their holy sites.
I support every projects that the president AMLO brings to the country, for Mexico and for the Mexican people, this brings more tourist creat more jobs and people don’t have to relocate or go out as a immigrant’s, that’s my humble opinion, viva la 4T y viva Mexico.
Well, that's how we are, we complain about poverty and marginalization but when we want to build projects for development and economic growth we don't want to make any sacrifice.
An example is Europe, the richest and most developed region is at the same time the one that conserves its biodiversity the least, of course we must take care of the environment but also marginalized people.
what makes you think Europe conserves it's biodiversity the least? what are you basing your conclusion on? do you have any sources? You don't have to choose between environment and development of marginal communities. A good project would give you both.
At this point, in every video from the traditional media, I've found that when they talk about the ecosystem they don't talk about Sembrando Vida which is the largest reforestation program in the history of the region. Nor the thousands of acres that has been declared as protected zones/parks many of them which had already been promised to foreign housing companies by previous governments. Another thing that caught my eye is that when those big Hotel chains were established in Cancun or companies like Calica, that had destructed the ecosystem in the peninsula it's called progress but when the government for the first time put some effort in caring about the damages of its project and acting accordingly, it somehow is not good.
Three feet of Limestone between the tracks and the underground lake and aquifer is crazy.
And also probably not true.
@@felixlopez1304Why not❓
Cartels gon love this shiiiii lol
I wonder, what was mr Azuela’s opinion about the destruction big hotels did to the peninsula since the 70’s? What was his opinion about Vulcan Materials? Right across Xcaret, another devastated area allowed by the politicians? I would like to hear his opinion about it
Not built during his term and not the topic of the video.
@@danieljensen329 Small-minded brain, who lacks perspective
@@danieljensen329 it is topic of the video. Why asking his opinion about the train? Is he even a respectable source based on previous work?
What a great idea, I hope Mexico become a world leader country!!!!!
You have no idea how corrupt Mexico is and how there were no studies pertaining the demand for this train.
Thanks to the fact that today Mexico has a president with ideals of progress and has built these great works, in the past everything was corruption, in fact the former presidents became great millionaires with luxurious residences abroad acquired with Mexican money.
What did AMLO do besides enable NARCOS to kill people at greater amounts❓🤔
There has been more HOMICIDES under AMLO than any other president❗
Ah yes, and that has not happened at all with this project. That is why everything was built with single source contracting, AMLO has refused to allow a financial audit of the project, and widespread reports of stolen wages and violations of labor laws are all over the media, even when the project ballooned to 4x its original cost. Surely no one is stealing money!!!
The Tren Maya megaproject is very important for the economic and social development in the southeast part of Mexico in the medium and long run!!!
i want more trains (san antonio - monterrey high speed, then from mty to all Mexico)
Terrible video favoring the corrupt view of the previous politicians. The train is a much environmental friendly form of transport and increases eco tourism. There is already a highway there. How come they dint do a video on the pollution caused by hotels built by the previous government.
WSJ when a 12 lane highway is built: Investment
WSJ when train is built: Gamble
There will be significant environmental impact with every major infrastructure project but omitting the population of those countless obsolete cars on the road is clearly understated. The emission standards of many cars aren't exactly compliant with modern standards.
Your assumption is that it will be used. The bus is cheaper. The money could be used for lines in actual cities. The administration is incompetent if not corrupt af.
point taken but in the grand scheme of things we also have inffecient coal powered plants that our president subsidizes but if you blame him of being a fossil fuel addict he just claims he is making a train... A train which he promised was supposed to not tear down a single tree and run on green hydrogen. Now it will run on diesel...
Two wrongs don't make a right...
LONG LIVE MEXICO EVEN THO THERES PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO SEE THEM SUCCEED
Who doesn't want success ❓
This fake "hater" thing that Morenista shills have going on like the world is against them 😂
It's Hilarious.
Stop the lies. It’s only controversial for those who completely ignore the decades of abandonment of development in the south of that country.
The ENVIRONMENT matters too❗
Controversial to whom?
Even Laos, used to be carpet bombed by America has a highspeed rail right on the Ho Chi Mingh trail..
America did NOT carpet bomb Laos❗
Somebody in US government made a decision to bomb these countries but AMERICAN PEOPLE did not make that decision so don't say "America" bombed Laos because it's NOT TRUE❗
A few people made those decisions without American citizens input
I’m going to the Cancun-Tulum area in two weeks and I wish I knew about this train before booking rental cars 🚗
The biggest controversy from the point of view of The Wall Street and developed countries is: How a country like Mexico can build a large infrastructure without borrowing money from the World Bank or BID, and of course “pay zero interest rate”. This piece of infrastructure was build with Mexican tax payers money and start boosting the country’s economy from day 1. Also, if a country like Mexico can built a train infrastructure to reduce CO2 emissions in 4 years only, the equivalent to the distance from Lisbon Portugal to Paris France, why hasn’t the US built 1. Km of new public rail infrastructure ? Instead sending their tax payers money to wars? Only private investment in US in the last years has done some new train infrastructure. If TWSJ is really concern about jungle, rainforest and environment then why don’t you cover the note of the devastation on the Mexican rainforest made by a US company ( Calica) to extract limestone rock to build the US highways at the cost completely destroying the very same rainforest you are talking about … it is much more dramatic the impact of this company has done in Mexico than the overall Maya Train …. So please have more journalistic ethics and professionalism 🙏🏻
Antonio Azueta is now concerned about the environment?, he must of had a change of heart!
Kudos to Mexico!! Progress always has an environmental cost, and the mexican people deserve it.
This railroad is exclusively a TOURIST project 🙂
So how its helping Mexican people❓
The bulk of Mexicans don't live in Yucatán peninsula.
You know who FREQUENTS Yucatán peninsula❓ American Tourists
@@albertp.3893🤦🏻♂️ This project will bring development to the Mexican southeast, one of the poorest areas of the country
@@user-qd1cr9nf5k How do you know what it will bring ❓
It's all just a GAMBLE on TOURISM
The area doesn't need this RAILROAD to kickstart development
Strange video, it seems like a great project in almost all aspects! I will return to Mexico someday for the third time just to ride in the train WSJ doesn't seem to like kkk
I love the south of Mexico I go 5 times a year me and my wife won’t vacation nowhere else after visiting the south of Mexico is so amazing.
In this documentary they don’t talk about the us company that destroyed part of the jungle
Antonio Azuela is obviously an anti Lopez Obrador critic. A member of the opposition party. WSJ should get DIFFERENT points of view.
Yes, they should only interview Morena friendly people so it can be just like the Mañaneras. No debate or criticism, just propaganda. Everyone should be like North Korea.
@@danieljensen329 Miserable PRIAN, Alito Moreno Lover. Needs to learn that they are history🇲🇽🇲🇽
The nasty hypocrisy 😒 is blatant
When megaprojects are not built by America, they are often shown negatively in the videos I've been watching.
meanwhile California high speed rail is...
More then ten years later
Please also talk about the havoc that the exploitation of the Calica mine (USA company) caused in Quintana Roo
The mine was approve by AMLO
I know it's controversial, but the environmental impact of trains is lower that building highways (which, for those of you who might have not visited this region recently, are being planed and built). It's not ideal but I prefer a train than thounsands of cars and highways.
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AMLO ofreció a presidente de Guatemala que el tren pasara en la línea fronteriza y el no acepto
Controversial according to who?!!! Get your facts straight!
According to the sponsor of WSJ. The airline and car industry.
God bless Mexico
The opposition is so envious
Sounds like a hit piece against Mexican development.
The interstate system in the United States was likewise controversial. On the whole it's good thing..
The interstate as a whole is good, but in urban areas the highways, freeways etc are urban nightmares. Mexico needs to be careful with this
Yes, it never displaced any Black families or neighborhoods. There were absolutely no negative consequences. Maybe read that history before using the Interstate system as your example.
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Los Angeles San Francisco cuanto tiempo lleva y que costo lleva?
I am a Mexican who is writing this message with a translator, it is obvious that I do not know what the video says but knowing the biased media and the way in which they cover a news story, I am sure that I would be saying something about the Mayan Train producing an ecocide. in the area or something of the high costs. It seems curious to me how in any other part of the world a work like this would be described as progress while in Mexico it would be called an immense error. But what do you think the trees along one of the roads were not cut down but relocated? In addition, during the entire course of the area, nearly 20 thousand hectares were planted and there are wildlife crossings. Another thing they mention is the high cost but what they don't tell you is that part of that increase was due to the new ecological reserves that they are going to inaugurate in this project to mitigate the supposed environmental damage of which they falsely accuse. Mexico today finally has a president who is with his people and we are not going to let biased media lie blatantly as they have always done.
Environmental Attorney General in the 90s? That explains an awful lot about the state of Mexico.
Oh come on!, let Mexico grow!!!, before AMLO’s government, there was not intention of building ANY KIND of infrastructure in southern area of Mexico, before government corruption was extremely high, now that the things are moving in the right direction this channel shall celebrate the changes in favor of people and society, I agree with many comments here that this train pollutes lesser than highways and bunch of airports built in last years in such area….
29 Billion of dollars or pesos? The Wall Street Journal should be more precise because this creates confusion. Unfortunately for this project had to cut trees down. This kind of media like THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, WASHINGTON POST, NEW YORK TIMES, ETC… didn’t blamed when the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage and caused a big pollution problem
Those times when the media like the WSJ said “the money is not gonna be enough for the Mexican president to build all those projects without asking for loans” 😂 and all the projects are completed or almost finished ready to open this 2024. The WSJ accuracy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's only controversial because U.S. bankers could not sell loans to Mexico for the project, mainly Black Rock. Mexicans love this project.
Tengan para que aprendan!
Ex presidente of Mexico 1994-2000 Ernesto Zedillo Ponce privatized the national train system of Mexico and after office worked for Alcoa y Union Pacific ( American companies ) who has part of the concessionaire train system of Mexico. Making $$$$
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What are the future maintenance projected costs? You can build it, but it is more important to maintain it.
It’s just a train 🚊, not sure what’s the improvement nor the problem 🤔 , Europe has a lot of that, and environmental , everything contaminates no matter what is built around the nation
There is controversial because is for the poor people, the countries need infrastructure to development improve
Pretty clearly for tourists. Whether that has a knock on effect for the poor currently there remains to be seen.
the us,and eu,wanted the regions to themself,virgin to enjoy them,with out no budy to come and see this mayestic structures,and beautiful paradise,but now we are reclaimed what's our legacy.
What are you talking about❓👎
Mexico attracts A LOT of money from American tourism and you're saying the USA wants to sabotage this project❓ Haha
It's better if you don't talk friend.
When you said Mexicos inflation due to pandemic i stopped watching if anything that’s why Mexico stood out compared to other countries
Why does this journalist talk about the Canadian mine industry that has been destroying those states?? What about Coca Cola ? With wasting millions of the Mexican fresh water? Or the hotels ??
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Obrador best president ever. Best train in the world. Experts get paid to be against the project. The real expertas are the mayan people and they love the train. That’s why this is a beautiful reality