I completely agree with this entire video, once again, you nailed it. My only criticism is of your emphasis on Netero's "That thing is stronger than I am" line. That line does not indicate (at least to me) that Netero thinks he'd lose to Pitou in a fight. If he thought that, he wouldn't have even tried to 1v1 Meruem, rose or not. In my opinion, he was only analyzing Pitou's aura or raw power, which surpassed his. I also think it's a little disingenuous to say that Netero COULDN'T hurt Pitou with his attack, simply because he didn't. He seems to indicate pretty clearly that his intention was to launch Pitou away, not kill them.
I plan on exploring this topic in more detail later. The point I was more so trying to get across is that Pitou vs Netero is as contentious as it is despite netero’s abilities and Netero is so massively beyond the troupe
@@Professor_Fiction I definitely agree with that much. The only thing I think the Troupe could possibly do is MAYBE gain control over Youpi by using Chrollo's teleport ability to place him in the path of Shalnark's needle, or possibly to teleport Youpi just before he explodes/launches an explosion that could possibly damage other Guard. That's only assuming the needle can even pierce Youpi, which it likely can't, since Killua didn't even try to pierce him. Outside of getting them to hurt each other, I don't even think they could meaningfully harm them, realistically.
i think netero had the intention of killing pitou during that atk but it didnt do much and that because netero and putous power is not that far. Though if they fight netero will surely win but he will have a hard time doing it.
I’m rewatching hunter rn and I can’t believe anyone thinks that the spiders can beat the royal guard like it’s literally stated almost though out the season how strong they were it would literally have to be their luckiest day with chrollo set with abilities that nuke them
lol idk how you watched HxH and think the Spiders can’t beat the Royal guard. Only thing the Royal guard have going for them is just raw power and speed. That shit isn’t always enough to win you a fight in HxH because of ppls nen abilities and hax. Spiders are heavily skill in nen, masters of combat and tactics, and amazing nen abilities. All that shit goes a long way against “speed blitz and one hit kill” that y’all love to say😂. Not saying it’s going to be easy but if Gon, killua, morel, knuckle, and shoot can 3v5 the Royal guards and survive I think the troupe can 3v12 and win.
@@2PunchMid pitou can solo the spiders, half the spiders are fodder, the only opportunity they have is that chrollo have some kind of weird stolen ability that gives them the upper hand, stop tripping pls
@@2PunchMid 2 of the 5 people you mentioned solo stomps most of the spiders(gon and killua, the only spiders that stand a chance against them are illumi, hisoka and chrollo), while morel bullies 2 ants that were each stronger than the one that gave one of the strongest spider an extremely hard time, so I know where are you going. also, both morel and knov agreed on the idea that if pitou actually has more raw power than netero, nen abilities no longer matter, top five nen user, zodiac, everyone's getting stomped. and considering the fact that these 2 people are the ones who's been pushing the idea that fights in hxh is more than raw power, since day 1, says a lot it's also funny how you said "survive", they are literally not getting any progress against the guards (the biggest progress they got was beating a ~14% pouf clone and that's about it), all they did is just stall the guards until gon goes adult form, which is far stronger than netero, who solo stomps every spider at the same time.
@@introspectivesense6485 it's beyond me that somehow these people are still coping despite the FACT that knov and morel (you know, the 2 people who's all about the idea that strat and skill and ability beats raw power) flat out stated that people who have the raw power on the level of rusty netero (which all the royals scale to) are just beyond abilities and skills of everyone that's not netero
@@2PunchMidthe entire extermination team 1v5'd Youpi, and had a perfect counter to Youpi, who used zero strategy the whole time, and the extermination team STILL lost. The Troupe gets packed up.
Netero: goes to the Dark Continent twice looking for powerful opponents to fight and returns home disappointed. Normies: BuT wE HavE'NT sEEN AlL Of ChrOLLO's AbILITies yET.
@@Naldinho456He looks as old if not older than the flashback Netero we see during the start or the palace invasion. Whether Netero was a hunter or not in that flashback yet, idk but he’s definitely a bit older there so not his 30s since he was in 40s-50s in that flashback
@boozados just use simple math Netero has is 120 yrs old give or take That flashback was 90 yrs ago(dark continen) that makes him 30 amd he hot his prime 20 yrs later at 50 Don't make an assumption with "looks like" as a bases It's clear netero was weak back then The Dc isn't as untouchable as yall make it out to be
Now that’s what I’m talking about! A full in depth analysis on feats and logical scaling to sees who comes out on top and by how much. Hats off to you my friend👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🥂
I’ve watched a couple “troupe vs guard” vids, and this one is definitely the best I’ve seen. It’s insanely in depth and debunks the hell out of the theory-crafting I wanna add something: if Netero could barely take Meruem… how the fuck couple the troupe take the guard😭 Arguably THAT guy vs THAT ant, and he had to nuke-no-jutsu.
17:48 That's just her reading the aura of her opponents, that's how she could tell how strong Netero and Adult Gon were without even fighting them, hell we have seen experienced/powerful Nen users do this as well.
Not sure why Pouf is considered the physical weakest in the Royal Guard since he is a manipulator and manipulators have greater affinity for enhancement.
2:15 Actually it makes sense, the Chameleon guy when estimating Killua's strength said that he was comparable to a squadron leader, the troupe in general (Exception of Kalluto) are comparable to Nen masters who have far more aura than Gon or Kill.
The scaling gets pretty crazy later on. The phantom trope used to be impressive back when gon and killua FIRST learn nen but afterwards they’re pitiful.
I wouldn’t say they’re pitiful it’s more like dark continent creatures are just too op and later on series we get introduced to the most powerful humans that have ever existed like Netero, Beyond Netero, Ging etc also Gon and Killua just have more potential out of every human that’s shown in the series no one would be able to grow as powerful as fast as they did especially not at the age of 12.
I don't think it's fair to compare that weak looking bird or frog (I don't remember) to transformed zazan. That's just not a fair comparison. The squadron leader are not all on the same level
I agree with every single thing but the fact that netero says he couldnt face her i something i dont believe due to the fact its followed up by them saying you jest otherwise no other hunter would be able to kill it i know your going off reputable statements and i respect the hell
Basically what if netero and the twelve zodiacs were to face the chimeras . you can leave ging and peraston out . just bring morel and knov into the matter
we cant really say about the outcome since theres no any info about how strong the zodiac are. If theyre level will range to zeno zoldyck, then they might have a chance. Since we know that netero can kill the king with that rose bomb and the only rule of the zodiac are to eliminate or to prevent the guard to get to mereum. But if we disregard the bomb there no way they will beat meruem and the guard.
@@ItsUzele Naruto verse scaling higher means more than not it's going to be in their favor if you're going to do a who'd win. Since you're in a hxh video talking about Naruto power scalers.
Let's say they do some prep time. Have some troupe members jump Feitan and have Phinks charge up his arm to max. Who's to say what their limits are? It's possible that they can beat the Royal guards.
Probably because NWR pumps out generic content with click baity titles Or at least he used to. It’s been years since I’ve watched him so maybe he has changed.
obv this vid was awhile ago but I think alot of the statements about phantom troops are being taken as literal fact while overlooking their actual onscreen feat. Like yeah Franklin and machi both said they'd kill hisoka but in do way do I think that that actually makes them relative. Nobunaga was sparring franklin but he also a twink and was brawling with hands (not his sword)
We know the zodiacs nen ability because they all had to share it when kurapika had the conference . it doesnt need to be top knotch but just a fun speculation! How would the raid on the king wouldve been between netero and his subordinates vs meruem and his . even squadron commanders !
@@Professor_Fiction For my observation netero can beat any guard on one on one fight. Break down... Pitou- As we know pitous endurance is like to the king so pitou can withstand a multiple hit of the buddhas hand. Though I dont if he can endure it like the king did during the fight of netero. (I can say that pitou has the closes fight). yuopi- even though he is a tank he is slow compare to pitou and being hit by the praying hand and especially the zero pray would probably kill him. pouf- even though he is slower than pitou he is still fast but we do know that pouf cant see ir read the god speed of killuah when he tries to kill kumogi. And I think neteros praying hand is more faster than the god speed of killuah. And even though pouf can make himself tiny ro the point he cant be seen by the eyes a rapid/fast atk with the praying hand would more likely pulverize him. Also netero has the bomb so before the fight begin he surely knows that he can kill his opponent even sacrifising himself.
@@jstgamin I think he would only win if they don’t attack to kill similar to how the King fought The hands are faster than all of them but they don’t do much damage at all The fight with King was a tennis match but the opponent was the ball he may hit the ball but it isn’t breaking just bouncing back
@@HumanB312 The problem with the fight against the King was mostly his ABSURD iq, without it, the fight could have kept going until one of them faints, and i don't think the royal guards have that IQ to be capable of countering Netero, add that to weaker overall stats and they are doomed. Want more proof? Pitou's fastest attack, terpsichora, was still slow enough for Netero to react, move his hands in praying position and then shoot an attack.
I don't remember the channel but another guy made a video like this but it was vs mereum instead of the royal guard. Needless to say the conclusion was the same lol
@@goodlife3199 Ya I didn't really realize how weak the troupe actually was until I watched his video lol When he was showing how they could barely defeat this low level ants and I realized, oh, guess most of them are kinda trash XD
@@philippaul6039 lmaooo ayeeee if you read the dark continent arc in hxh youll see how nen is really a mind game or chess game. One example is netero vs meruem. Netero put meruem in check mate before the match even began !!!
@@goodlife3199 that check mate doesn't have anything to do with nen, it's the accumulation of humanity's technology that one shotted Meruem, any fodder that have a rose bomb inside them can also check mate Meruem
You're being disingenuous. Nobody thinks 1v1 they're going to beat the royal guards. But if characters like Knuckle and Killua were able to hang in there as long as they did. Then, a good portion of the troupe should be able to as well. They do have abilities that could potentially hurt the Royal Gaurds. Knuckle almost won with his ability, so it shouldn't be that surprising if one of the most strategic minds we've seen in the series could think of a way to beat a Royal Guard.
Killua in Godspeed is individually stronger than any Troupe member, it just has bad stamina, but he’s still less than 10% the strength of Youpi Knuckle’s ability was only effective in tandem with Morel who’s ability is good at stalling, and Meleoron who is completely undetectable. Most of the troupe don’t have as good or versatile abilities as the invasion team, they basically just hit really hard. Phinks needs 7 winds up just to take down an officer standing still. Bono can only crush an officer ant. Etc
@@maku3857Phinxs is supposed to be the second strongest physically, yet his regular punch did literally nothing against an officer class ant. And here we have Killua blitzing and ripping the head of another officer class ant no problem. The same ant that tanked Gons special attack. Later Killua becomes even stronger, where his godspeed was able to slightly damage Youpi and gravely damage a weak'nd Pouf. Killua has the most potential out of any Zoldyck, meaning it's not cracked take believe he can be as strong or stronger than a troupe member at his age.
I think netro was just talking about petou nin arua not realizing that there trying to better there nin or was just referring to if he had a master of nin he didn't think he can win ill have to rewatch and read the part for more content
To be fair when Netero sayed Peto is stronger then him he was just jokeing. What he really ment by that is that the royal guards would gave him a tuff time. 1 on 1 he would kill them.
Every member of the Troupe gets the Kite treatment. I think Neferpitou solos. I'm trying to think, who could damage them and who could dodge a strike or survive one hit. I think the Troupe could find a way to beat Youpi or Poof solo but Pitou is too OP.
@@Professor_Fiction I don't think Pitou has the same tactical view as Meruem after countless Gungi games, so he probably can't hit Netero, but Netero also can't really damage Pitou so
@@Hits191 idk, maybe but it's hard to say, pitou is incredibly resilient, and survived an attack from meruem meant to kill her without gettung real damage. Maybe zero hand would actually kill her? Anyhow I doubt Netero could actually kill her before she decides to just run away and look for another tactic or design an ability to counter the buddhavista, and I also doubt Netero could stop her from getting away
I'd say the troupe actually has a chance to win with prep time, it's really cheesy tho (scenario like palace invasion without king). they prepare by getting soldier squadron leaders/officers, pakunoda gets memories for layout of the palace, gives bullets with memories to hisoka, chrollo, illumi. In the invasion they start with distractions to at least give some seconds to the important people. Illumi prepares army with chrollo explosion marks. All of troupe except for chrollo, phinks and feitan hide between them and sacrifice themselves. shalnark goes autopilot, hisoka uses bungee gum on all walls and rubble to give weaker members small speed boost (like in gotoh fight with himself and coins). chrollo feitan phinks also hide, on the way there they torture feitan to the brink of death and phinks winds up a ridiculous amount of times. chrollo teleports them in a way so they can hit their abilities (which is debatable cause guards have insane reaction time, all depends on if they manage the timing right and the distractions give them the few seconds to get 1 hit in). feitan goes on pitou cause youpi could maybe adapt to him. phinks one shots youpi with 1000x wind up. troupe would die too from feitans ability. Pouf survives but parts up. Uvo and illumi wait outside. Depends on if uvo and illumi can finish off whatever part of pouf that's left. Does someone also believe it could be pulled of like this? Although it's still unsure cause we got no concrete limits to feitan and phinks hatsu
Or do you think the pure stat difference would make it impossible to even get a few seconds? also post death pitou reks if it comes out but pitou doesn't really have the time here to pinpoint something as a danger to the king which is the idea that brought it out
The situation where you remove the king allows the guards to be completly gloves off instead of doing their due diligence to their duty they are basically free to deal with the threat instead of rushing to the king Pitou is major factor to this her/his En Range completly invalidates any attempt in being sneaky Pitou relays the number of people to other 2 guards and pair this with their sense of analyzing danger levels Pitou would be a surgical strike to the most dangerous of the troupe Leaping all over the place while the troupe barely keeps up with Shaiapouf and Youpi. Once you apply teamwork for the guards and dont lobotimize them there is no conceivable way the guards lose. This whole situation assumes 4 things 1.The Royal guard upong sensing the troupe just rushes them with no plan whatsoever (Lobotomized) 2. The Royal guard doesnt cooperate (Lobotomized) 3. Allowing the troupe to even reach anywhere near the palace (Remember the troupe doesnt have a doorway telportation so no confusion as how they got there to capitalize) Pitou has 2km of identifying people and nen puppets wont confuse them (see dragon dive, Zeno and Netero) 4. Complete Intel to the Royal guard from their hatsu, how strong they are, speed, and nen Which the hunters fail to even get with 1 month of endless surveillance only assumptions based on their nen which they conceeded would be a slaughter. Fighting them isn't even the hardest part its starting the engangement with favorable conditions ie. having the people to fight with
I don't think anyone thinks they are stronger, the only reason I think they have a chance is the same reason knuckle, Shalnark, and other low tier guys held on for so long. The ants lack experience. They learn and adapt, but the reason knuckle lasts so long against youpi is because youpi is probably the least tactful of them... he adapts and realizes that and almost killed knuckle by pretending to be angry, but I'm just saying the ants lack of experience is what allowed the humans to live for so long. And most notably, Hisoka and Chrollo are masters of tact, I could see either of them being a major problem...at least until they hit Pitou or the butterfly. They are smart.
I have never heard so dumb arguments. Yeah Meruem could easily kill the penguin and the turtle but not all squadron leaders were equally in strenght. Kite killed like 20 of them with one hit. Also Zazan transformed seemed really strong and the transformation looked like its Intention was to get a thicker skin. So the comparison between Zazan and the other squadleaders makes no sense. Also Knuckle, Shoot and Mereleon would have won against Youpi if Knuckle just let morel die. And Morel wasn’t really a Big help for the fight because he was at like 30% of his power when they started the invasion and after „fighting“ with pouf and losing his pipe he was maybe at like 10% power. And Killua has helped knuckle but if it wasn’t for Shoot pride knuckle wouldnt even got in the Situation to need help from Killua. And knuckle was able to leave a imprint on youpi with his bare fist with some nen and he isn’t even an enhancer. So Punch from Uvogin or Phinks would be good damage. That should also prove that the Needle from either Shalnark or Illumi would get through youpis skin and Most likely the same with pitou and shaiapouf. Also the strongest attack we saw from the Guard was youpis explosion which wasn’t really bigger than the one Uvogin made from his Big Bang Impact or Bonolenovs Jupiter. Most of the time you dont compare the troupe to the guards. Its just bullshit. And comparing chettu with Youpi also doesnt make any sense because chettu is meant to be fast and youpi is meant to be strong ofcourse theres a big difference in strenght. Your whole comparison just makes no sense. Shit video.
Before anything else i would like to say mockery (which you seem to use some in this video) is an argumental fallacy. RG don't have nen abilities for combat(except yuupi). Chrollo with prep time should be able to hold 1v1 for some time(he held his ground 1v2 against zeno and silva), phinks having enough time can potentially one shot anyone so the question is, can all the others hold off 2 of the RG? i would say yes, RG does mostly underestimate their opponents and lack experiance, so prob woudnt go all out one-shoting troupe as fast as possible at the start. Troupe is at disadvantage in raw power but they do have decent chance to win Edit: you kinda brushed off the cloak when zeno has a lot of experience, i think RG in their cockyness wouldn't see it as a threat(maybe pitou's senses might), using netero's wondering if he could even beat pitou is bit of a stretch and making puppets is not usable ability in combat since she needs to focus on the ability and stay on the spot to use it
Depends, Morel is physically stronger, smarter, and has better abilities overall, but Pain Packer is above anything in Morels arsenal. It’s entirely dependent on if Feitan uses Pain Packer
@@Professor_Fiction Morel is smart enough to run away from big charge-up explosions, and if the entire troupe, including injured Shalnark had time to run away after observing the beginning of Pain Packer, Morel likely could as well. Though Feitan may be able to move it after starting the ability, that's unclear at this point.
The sound editing on this video is horrible. It starts with a scene that seems to have just overlayed two clips over eachother. The music in the background is just annoying and distracting and also a little to high.
In theory yes, but Phinks has limited aura he will pass out at some point. His aura is inferior to that of Royal Guards, it's the same with Gon vs Razor. In theory Gon can charge his Jajanken infinitely, but he passed out because he ran out of aura.
My opinion: the troupe including the dead ones wins extreme diff to one member except for pouf. But they could win if phinks rolls his arm like 50000 times.
You are putting squadron leaders in the same tier on fighting terms. U forget that meleoron is on the same tier as squadron leader as cheetu, zanzan and leol. Even leol and zanzan maybe arent comparable on 1v1. Zanzan clearly tends a to a fighting and is possibly among the strongest squadron leaders. You do everything by association, like if x , so y. If he cant pierce zanzan carapace, so he cant pitou. Ofc i bet pitous carapace is hard af and cant be pierced, but its not concrete. The king one shotted peggy, a squadron leader who have even less feats than meleoron and is possibly not even a fighting nen user. By that logic, killuas dad one shots zanzan too, right? Since he one shotted cheetu. Both zanzan and cheetu are squadron leaders. Think about possible ways one can overcome a stronger being instead of just raw power. Knuckles ability is possibly trash on 1v1 against most strong beings, but its a fucking good win condition against youpi, one of the strongest beings. You got to think about the possibilities and dont fall into falacies.
man these powerscalers always do this if X then Y reminds me of boruto power scalers scaling Adult Sasuke with 1 arm above juubi Madara there is no point they won't listen
Debunking the video in 1 sentence: Kite gave pitou the fight of their life and pitou had some wounds even tried to revive him are you saying kite > 4 troupe memebrs combined together get out of here scaling doesn't work like this in HxH i dare to say 3 troupe members together 100% can take on any RG
saying kite wounded pitou is just wrong after the fight pitou only had scratches and keep in mind the pitou kite fought was a new born that didn't even understand how nen worked also lets say we agree pitou was seriously injured after the fight with kite which isn't true you are then indirectly saying kite has more attack power then netero because pitou tanked an attack from netero and took not damage and we know this is wrong because netero is way stronger then kite
@norenseogbomo5749 netero only did 1 hit on pitou, kite fought a full fight and pitou had wounds and revived him thats how much great of a fight it was, and saying new born pitou is just a a falasy if pitou didn't know how to use their power pitou would have died on the spot against a nen master, pitou already learned everything and just went to try their powers as pitou stated theirself
@@haithamalkilany3785 and that one hit from netero scales above anything we have seen from kite and scratches aren't wounds also newborn pitou didn't even have a nen ability and clearly didnt know much about nen that's why she questioned Pokkle to learn more about nen
@@haithamalkilany3785 also netero himself said he would lose to pitou so did colt and we know netero at this point is way stronger then the phantom troop because he was able to low diff multiple squadron leaders and we know one squadron leader went high diff with fetain one of the strongest members one the troop btw
@@norenseogbomo5749 First of all not all squadron leaders are the same powers so for example cheetu is very fast but has a very weak skin he would die to 1 ko from feitan 100% sure, and the squadron leader he fought put a condition to lose her beauty and shape for way tougher skin that is not piercable secondly he didnt kill all squadron leaders together he killed them 1 by 1 thats exptd from neotro since his power has no condition and he gained it through age and much work thirdly rising sun is one of the strongest nen auras we saw cause it has hard conditions and it would have demolised much stronger opponents also netero scales way above pitou he was troliing and we saw that when he fought mereum if it was pitou they would have never touched him pitou is not as smart and with zero hand he would probably sqashed pitou, also you just proved my point pitou did ask pokkle about nen and said i want to test my power if pitou didn;t have nen abilities it would ahve been easy fight also as you can see in the manga when pitou wanted to go to kite it used the sixth sense ability which is one of their strongest and its a nen ability so i dont know where u get these information (new born pitou) is just a myth, again if we conside uvogin to be with the phantom troupe he can stand his ground against youpi he scales way above killua and any other who fought youpi and he is really understmated, while the other troupes can easily defeat the other 2 especially if we count chrollo in the ants stand no chance
lol idk how some ppl watched HxH and think the Spiders can’t beat the Royal guard. Only thing the Royal guard have going for them is just raw power and speed. That shit isn’t always enough to win you a fight in HxH because of ppls nen abilities and hax. Spiders are heavily skill in nen, masters of combat and tactics, and amazing nen abilities. All that shit goes a long way against “speed blitz and one hit kill” that y’all love to say😂. Not saying it’s going to be easy but if Gon, killua, morel, knuckle, and shoot can 3v5 the Royal guards and survive I think the troupe can 3v12 and win.
It’s 3 people each stronger and faster than the Troupe’s strongest and fastest fighters. They would one shot every member of the troupe. How are you going to activate your ability if you get one shot
More than half of the troupe arent even on the level of morel, knuckle, and gon so more than half of the troupe would be dead by the time the fight starts
To go over some points: No, Netero would never lose against Pitou, he never thought he would, that's just... No. Netero is a massive troll, and he said what he did because he wanted to stall until Meruem was born. This is the guy who created the entire hunter association just to get a decent opponent, and put the biggest slimeball in the association as his #2 because he wanted to get trolled himself. As for Pitou not being damaged by the Guanyin, I'll go ahead and explain some of how it can be inferred to work. Netero spends zero aura when he attacks with the Guanyin. We know this because he was confident he could outlast Meruem, despite knowing that his aura reserves were much, much smaller, and the fact that it's directly stated he put every drop of aura into zero hand. He conjures his statue, and manipulates it (that's 60% efficiency, btw), but doesn't actually imbue the attacks with aura, they're purely physical. The attack is meant to keep opponents at a distance, knock them around, and wear them down to the point he can one-shot them with zero hand. If Netero had fought Pitou right when he saw them, (regardless of whether he prepared zero hand ahead of time; Pitou isn't smart enough to find a weakness in Netero's defenses), he'd have won handily. As for Phinks, you're right, but I also want to go into it a bit. People no-limits fallacy Phinks constantly, and it really bugs me. His attack is the same type as Ja-Janken, a Ko that builds up over time for a devastating hit. It's really nothing special, and there's no way he'd be able to actually land a hit on a Royal Guard, even if he could theoretically put all of his reserves into one punch capable of seriously wounding a royal guard. Also, the databooks aren't cannon. They were written by the editors and aren't generally reliable. Even if they were, "X/5" is way too vague to be useful in a power range this broad, and using them as a cornerstone for your argument really weakens it. Could the troupe beat the Royal Guard? Maybe. Assuming Fun-fun cloth works on one of the guards (and can't be broken out of with a large amount of Aura like other conjuration techniques like Cheetu's), and Feitan is able to take a glancing blow that only puts him near-death to get a retaliation strong enough to kill another, it's definitely doable if the remaining one is Pouf, since Pouf doesn't even have enough direct offense to take out Morel. My guess is that if the Troupe actually went against the Royal guard, Chrollo would grab an ability similar to Taboo from YuYu Hakusho (assuming he doesn't have one available already), that one-shots or disables anyone who violates the terms of the ability, regardless of their power. They've got good instincts, but word games would catch all of them but Pouf lacking, and Pouf is pretty easy to take out with a low-power rising sun if he's in particle form. Uvogien has enough physical power to at least keep them occupied for a while, especially with the other troupe members doing stuff (being hit with Benolenov's Jupiter wouldn't kill any of the royal guards, but it would and while shalnark getting a needle in one of them is unlikely, I wouldn't be surprised if they were careless enough with Ko for it to be possible. I'd say the troupe wins 3/10 times with no prep, 1/10 if they don't know anything about the situation, or 6/10 if they have a couple weeks to prepare.
The thing about manipulation abilities is that as long as the conditions are met they work dosent matter how strong the opponent is but I doubt illumi can even pierce the skin of the royal guards.
That’s when Pitou wasn’t explore his full potential yet, and he wasn’t fight Kite serious at all since he wants to enjoy his first fight. What’s fun would come if you straight killed your opponent.
First of all, you're taking information from a databook what wasn't written by Togashi and gives bad stuff. Killua? Equal stats with Chrollo? Ridiculously. He's only stat above may be speed. The rest? Low af. Netero was humble btw. He also compared Knov with him 😂 Why didn't you precised this? Of course it wouldn't make sense, but you could take his humble moment of giving credit to Pitou, but when it came in practice, Netero literally slapped Pitou kms away instantly. The difference is actually big, and what i m saying is that, Netero is levels above. In fact Netero kinda shocked Meruem. Yes the Troupe definitely lose this. Pitou Youpi and Pouf are too much together. But...the downplay is hard af.. Cheetu, trained by Pitou and Youpi, got one shoted by Silva's punch. The same Silva punched Chrollo and did 0 damage. Pitou activated all his 6 senses full out, the moment he felt Zeno's aura btw. The same Zeno who had Silva around to kill Chrollo. Definitely, you're downplaying A LOT some aspects there. I either don't care if you only bring aspects to overrate actually the royal guard. Knuckles and Shoot are FAR INFERIORS to some members troupe. And as i said let that delusional databook away. It's been confirmed already for so many years that are clowny informations there. You can't be that sick to believe Killua and Gon scales that high. Ah and btw, pain packer doesn't reflect the damage back, but emitte the amount of damage you gave to Feitan (pain packer being stated to be versatile, literally). "We don't talk about possibilities" so we can give one sided affirmation about situations right? :)) Eventually deceiving some other aspects. Sure.
You think the one that can turn into microscopic clones of himself, instantly paralyze and read the minds of all of them, and outsmart Chrollo, is debatable but not the walking tank Youpi with no brain?
@@Professor_Fiction youpi in his second form Becomes debatable the strongest troupe member Amd come on outsmarting knuckle who is a genius at fighting And has the mist complicated ability in the show He can do the same thing and kill most of them
I feel Uvogin would ve a serious threat besides Gons ultimate sacrifice and Youpis rage he was said to be the strangest enhancer in HxH. Would love a death battle type fight against the guards
@@stresspower2323 i doubt it. He didnt have a physical equal in all of HxH. His battlefield prowess was well known. Karapika only was able to beat him with a laundry list of op nen abilities specifically tailored to the spiders
@@Hits191 Do you believe Feitans ko infused sword world break only by contact on defenseless Uvo body as when Feitan does to Zazan? If you think so, you basically place Feitan as same level as someone like Dalzollane. If you don’t think so, there’s no other evidence to put Uvo above Zazan level.
@@stresspower2323 no way of telling. Probably not but that ko infused sword isnt a end all be all. Ovo is still human but who knows fully enhanced maybe.
In conclusion: 1 Ant > 13+ Spiders
but what if they merge and become a spider MAN????
More accurate 1 ant >> 12 spider legs and one head separate from each other
@@unfunnyman5371 😂 👍
1 ant = 13+ spiders.
Dont be to mean to them, they have a good chance against one.
bro no poufe is not winning against 13 spiders 0 chance
I completely agree with this entire video, once again, you nailed it. My only criticism is of your emphasis on Netero's "That thing is stronger than I am" line. That line does not indicate (at least to me) that Netero thinks he'd lose to Pitou in a fight. If he thought that, he wouldn't have even tried to 1v1 Meruem, rose or not. In my opinion, he was only analyzing Pitou's aura or raw power, which surpassed his. I also think it's a little disingenuous to say that Netero COULDN'T hurt Pitou with his attack, simply because he didn't. He seems to indicate pretty clearly that his intention was to launch Pitou away, not kill them.
I plan on exploring this topic in more detail later. The point I was more so trying to get across is that Pitou vs Netero is as contentious as it is despite netero’s abilities and Netero is so massively beyond the troupe
@@Professor_Fiction I definitely agree with that much.
The only thing I think the Troupe could possibly do is MAYBE gain control over Youpi by using Chrollo's teleport ability to place him in the path of Shalnark's needle, or possibly to teleport Youpi just before he explodes/launches an explosion that could possibly damage other Guard. That's only assuming the needle can even pierce Youpi, which it likely can't, since Killua didn't even try to pierce him.
Outside of getting them to hurt each other, I don't even think they could meaningfully harm them, realistically.
i think netero had the intention of killing pitou during that atk but it didnt do much and that because netero and putous power is not that far. Though if they fight netero will surely win but he will have a hard time doing it.
Exactly. And if the king couldn’t react or outspeed netero’s hands what makes you think pitou could. Also Pitou’s durability is far bellow the kings.
@Shaan Naafir adult gon is more of a meruem level opponent than netero
I’m rewatching hunter rn and I can’t believe anyone thinks that the spiders can beat the royal guard like it’s literally stated almost though out the season how strong they were it would literally have to be their luckiest day with chrollo set with abilities that nuke them
lol idk how you watched HxH and think the Spiders can’t beat the Royal guard. Only thing the Royal guard have going for them is just raw power and speed. That shit isn’t always enough to win you a fight in HxH because of ppls nen abilities and hax. Spiders are heavily skill in nen, masters of combat and tactics, and amazing nen abilities. All that shit goes a long way against “speed blitz and one hit kill” that y’all love to say😂. Not saying it’s going to be easy but if Gon, killua, morel, knuckle, and shoot can 3v5 the Royal guards and survive I think the troupe can 3v12 and win.
@@2PunchMid pitou can solo the spiders, half the spiders are fodder, the only opportunity they have is that chrollo have some kind of weird stolen ability that gives them the upper hand, stop tripping pls
@@2PunchMid 2 of the 5 people you mentioned solo stomps most of the spiders(gon and killua, the only spiders that stand a chance against them are illumi, hisoka and chrollo), while morel bullies 2 ants that were each stronger than the one that gave one of the strongest spider an extremely hard time, so I know where are you going. also, both morel and knov agreed on the idea that if pitou actually has more raw power than netero, nen abilities no longer matter, top five nen user, zodiac, everyone's getting stomped. and considering the fact that these 2 people are the ones who's been pushing the idea that fights in hxh is more than raw power, since day 1, says a lot
it's also funny how you said "survive", they are literally not getting any progress against the guards (the biggest progress they got was beating a ~14% pouf clone and that's about it), all they did is just stall the guards until gon goes adult form, which is far stronger than netero, who solo stomps every spider at the same time.
@@introspectivesense6485 it's beyond me that somehow these people are still coping despite the FACT that knov and morel (you know, the 2 people who's all about the idea that strat and skill and ability beats raw power) flat out stated that people who have the raw power on the level of rusty netero (which all the royals scale to) are just beyond abilities and skills of everyone that's not netero
@@2PunchMidthe entire extermination team 1v5'd Youpi, and had a perfect counter to Youpi, who used zero strategy the whole time, and the extermination team STILL lost. The Troupe gets packed up.
Netero: goes to the Dark Continent twice looking for powerful opponents to fight and returns home disappointed.
Normies: BuT wE HavE'NT sEEN AlL Of ChrOLLO's AbILITies yET.
I believe when Netero left the dark continent he thought getting out alive was a great enough reward for him
@@idek5006 I think that's what the comment meant
@@idek5006 netero was what 30
He wasn't even close to hus prime
@@Naldinho456He looks as old if not older than the flashback Netero we see during the start or the palace invasion. Whether Netero was a hunter or not in that flashback yet, idk but he’s definitely a bit older there so not his 30s since he was in 40s-50s in that flashback
@boozados just use simple math
Netero has is 120 yrs old give or take
That flashback was 90 yrs ago(dark continen) that makes him 30 amd he hot his prime 20 yrs later at 50
Don't make an assumption with "looks like" as a bases
It's clear netero was weak back then
The Dc isn't as untouchable as yall make it out to be
Their best shot is protecting Phinks while he charges his punch for hours
Still gets speed blitzed
@@guilha1506
His aura cap plus his slow ass are not catching a royal guard
@@Naldinho456he’s catching pouf also it’s not slow
@@enesapaydin925fair point but he would get blitz if he has prep
@Drnoobz07 pouf ? The guard portrayed to be the most intelligent cunningl، who can fly ?
Also do you seriously think phinks has infinite aura?
Most of the troupe members if not all would get an mental breakdown standing infront of all 3 royal guards
20:09 That's not Pitou's en that's Pouf's en, it's described as being more malicious despite being smaller in range.
Now that’s what I’m talking about! A full in depth analysis on feats and logical scaling to sees who comes out on top and by how much. Hats off to you my friend👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🥂
I’ve watched a couple “troupe vs guard” vids, and this one is definitely the best I’ve seen. It’s insanely in depth and debunks the hell out of the theory-crafting
I wanna add something: if Netero could barely take Meruem… how the fuck couple the troupe take the guard😭 Arguably THAT guy vs THAT ant, and he had to nuke-no-jutsu.
17:48 That's just her reading the aura of her opponents, that's how she could tell how strong Netero and Adult Gon were without even fighting them, hell we have seen experienced/powerful Nen users do this as well.
didn't the narrator say something about six sense? which is based on intuition right?
Not sure why Pouf is considered the physical weakest in the Royal Guard since he is a manipulator and manipulators have greater affinity for enhancement.
Probably cuz there weren't enough feats for him.
But idk, that's just a guess.
Royal Guard. No question. Only one of them could kill them all without breaking a sweat
2:15 Actually it makes sense, the Chameleon guy when estimating Killua's strength said that he was comparable to a squadron leader, the troupe in general (Exception of Kalluto) are comparable to Nen masters who have far more aura than Gon or Kill.
And at the final raid .gon and killua whoop most of them
idk why i had any slither of hope that they could even do 13 vs 1 but this video just made it abundantly clear they would get wiped
I subbed you because people who do hunterxhunter vids are dope. And you deserve more subs. I guess the the fans of hxh also pulled a hiatus lol
Almost skipped the video, thought I accidentally queued up a NWR video
why this channel has only 300 subs ... this is one the best channel
I think the phantom troupe wind because Bungee gum has the properties of rubber AND gum
😂 like the beginning so much
That would be a fun what if ! Twelve zodiacs vs chimera ant forces
@goodlife3199 the royal guards stomp
17:03 Chrollo's base stats are way too low to go head on against the RG, he would be better as a support.
The troupe can beat Meruem and the Royal guards
If they sacrifice a few people with poor man's roses
me omw to go beat mereum with 2 cheap manufactured nukes inside my balls
Guess what, rose kortopi's clone stumps dark continent
@@AgarioSplitrunneruntil you realize he got offscrened by hisoka
The scaling gets pretty crazy later on. The phantom trope used to be impressive back when gon and killua FIRST learn nen but afterwards they’re pitiful.
and people say HxH doesn't have power creep.
I wouldn’t say they’re pitiful it’s more like dark continent creatures are just too op and later on series we get introduced to the most powerful humans that have ever existed like Netero, Beyond Netero, Ging etc also Gon and Killua just have more potential out of every human that’s shown in the series no one would be able to grow as powerful as fast as they did especially not at the age of 12.
They'd literally all solo the entire hunter exam like Hisoka did. In what way is that pitiful?
Pitiful is insane
@@thetruesquad5059pitiful is right.
Gon solos half the troupe
Great vid gg for the guards
12:29 Nen ability not hatsu, those are two different things.
I don't think it's fair to compare that weak looking bird or frog (I don't remember) to transformed zazan. That's just not a fair comparison.
The squadron leader are not all on the same level
And zazan isn't even the strongest squadron leader
Great video, a good overview of the topic
great video, laughed a bunch and very educational
I agree with every single thing but the fact that netero says he couldnt face her i something i dont believe due to the fact its followed up by them saying you jest otherwise no other hunter would be able to kill it i know your going off reputable statements and i respect the hell
Basically what if netero and the twelve zodiacs were to face the chimeras . you can leave ging and peraston out . just bring morel and knov into the matter
we cant really say about the outcome since theres no any info about how strong the zodiac are. If theyre level will range to zeno zoldyck, then they might have a chance. Since we know that netero can kill the king with that rose bomb and the only rule of the zodiac are to eliminate or to prevent the guard to get to mereum. But if we disregard the bomb there no way they will beat meruem and the guard.
Bro the Naruto power scalers need you to debate with them. You’re the only powerscaler I’ve seen who doesn’t say anything ridiculous lol
Naruto verse scaled higher than Hxh verse
@@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000 that’s got nothing to do with what I said 😂
@@ItsUzele Naruto verse scaling higher means more than not it's going to be in their favor if you're going to do a who'd win. Since you're in a hxh video talking about Naruto power scalers.
@@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000 Okay you clearly didn’t read my comment and just saw Naruto and hopped on D, nvm you got it 🤣
@@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000He probably means the people who scales Naruto characters in the Naruto anime.
I'd love to watch the spiders (Excluding Hisoka) get clapped by netero or the royal guards, that shit would be so hilariously entertaining
Let's say they do some prep time. Have some troupe members jump Feitan and have Phinks charge up his arm to max. Who's to say what their limits are? It's possible that they can beat the Royal guards.
They still lose
Someone like Kite could solo the phantom troupe, Kite couldn't beat Pitou
@@MrChummington the hell you mean "Someone like Kite", Kite's a monster, why the downplay?
@@bluefreely I'm saying someone on his level, I mean no disrespect to the white haired gambling gigachad
@@bluefreely compared to the guards his a nobody
No disrespect to kite
good work
I cannot even begin to fathom why you have fewer subscribers than NWR.
Quality vs quantity
Probably because NWR pumps out generic content with click baity titles Or at least he used to. It’s been years since I’ve watched him so maybe he has changed.
obv this vid was awhile ago but I think alot of the statements about phantom troops are being taken as literal fact while overlooking their actual onscreen feat. Like yeah Franklin and machi both said they'd kill hisoka but in do way do I think that that actually makes them relative. Nobunaga was sparring franklin but he also a twink and was brawling with hands (not his sword)
We know the zodiacs nen ability because they all had to share it when kurapika had the conference . it doesnt need to be top knotch but just a fun speculation! How would the raid on the king wouldve been between netero and his subordinates vs meruem and his . even squadron commanders !
everyone dies
Can Netero beat the guards one at a time? Would love to see a video on that.
I personally don’t have a very strong opinion on Netero vs the guard, I tend to just consider them all around the same level
But I am doing a Netero related video soon
@@Professor_Fiction For my observation netero can beat any guard on one on one fight.
Break down...
Pitou- As we know pitous endurance is like to the king so pitou can withstand a multiple hit of the buddhas hand. Though I dont if he can endure it like the king did during the fight of netero. (I can say that pitou has the closes fight).
yuopi- even though he is a tank he is slow compare to pitou and being hit by the praying hand and especially the zero pray would probably kill him.
pouf- even though he is slower than pitou he is still fast but we do know that pouf cant see ir read the god speed of killuah when he tries to kill kumogi. And I think neteros praying hand is more faster than the god speed of killuah. And even though pouf can make himself tiny ro the point he cant be seen by the eyes a rapid/fast atk with the praying hand would more likely pulverize him.
Also netero has the bomb so before the fight begin he surely knows that he can kill his opponent even sacrifising himself.
@@jstgamin I think he would only win if they don’t attack to kill similar to how the King fought
The hands are faster than all of them but they don’t do much damage at all
The fight with King was a tennis match but the opponent was the ball he may hit the ball but it isn’t breaking just bouncing back
@@HumanB312 The problem with the fight against the King was mostly his ABSURD iq, without it, the fight could have kept going until one of them faints, and i don't think the royal guards have that IQ to be capable of countering Netero, add that to weaker overall stats and they are doomed.
Want more proof? Pitou's fastest attack, terpsichora, was still slow enough for Netero to react, move his hands in praying position and then shoot an attack.
I think all 13 of them could take on youpi but thats only if he’s alone and everything goes right and they are also at least losing four spiders
TO BE FAIR, NETERO WAS OLD WHEN HE FOUGHT PITOU AND MERUEM, WHICH IS ONLY 50% POWER OF HIS PRIME. IMAGINE NETERO'S PQWER IN HIS PRIME.
I don't remember the channel but another guy made a video like this but it was vs mereum instead of the royal guard. Needless to say the conclusion was the same lol
New world review. Its my boy liam
@@goodlife3199 Ya I didn't really realize how weak the troupe actually was until I watched his video lol When he was showing how they could barely defeat this low level ants and I realized, oh, guess most of them are kinda trash XD
@@philippaul6039 lmaooo ayeeee if you read the dark continent arc in hxh youll see how nen is really a mind game or chess game. One example is netero vs meruem. Netero put meruem in check mate before the match even began !!!
@@goodlife3199 that check mate doesn't have anything to do with nen, it's the accumulation of humanity's technology that one shotted Meruem, any fodder that have a rose bomb inside them can also check mate Meruem
That's seththeprogramer. Tbh a lot of the points he made in that video were made here too
Teamwork tho 🗣️
nice video despite few mistakes
You're being disingenuous. Nobody thinks 1v1 they're going to beat the royal guards. But if characters like Knuckle and Killua were able to hang in there as long as they did. Then, a good portion of the troupe should be able to as well. They do have abilities that could potentially hurt the Royal Gaurds. Knuckle almost won with his ability, so it shouldn't be that surprising if one of the most strategic minds we've seen in the series could think of a way to beat a Royal Guard.
Killua in Godspeed is individually stronger than any Troupe member, it just has bad stamina, but he’s still less than 10% the strength of Youpi
Knuckle’s ability was only effective in tandem with Morel who’s ability is good at stalling, and Meleoron who is completely undetectable. Most of the troupe don’t have as good or versatile abilities as the invasion team, they basically just hit really hard. Phinks needs 7 winds up just to take down an officer standing still. Bono can only crush an officer ant. Etc
@@Professor_Fictionkillua being stronger than the phantom troupe is a cracked take
@@maku3857 why is that?
@@maku3857Phinxs is supposed to be the second strongest physically, yet his regular punch did literally nothing against an officer class ant. And here we have Killua blitzing and ripping the head of another officer class ant no problem. The same ant that tanked Gons special attack.
Later Killua becomes even stronger, where his godspeed was able to slightly damage Youpi and gravely damage a weak'nd Pouf.
Killua has the most potential out of any Zoldyck, meaning it's not cracked take believe he can be as strong or stronger than a troupe member at his age.
@@Professor_FictionKillua is not stronger than chrollo or hisoka or even faitan
Leave gon kill knuckle and shoot in the same place they were in
I think netro was just talking about petou nin arua not realizing that there trying to better there nin or was just referring to if he had a master of nin he didn't think he can win ill have to rewatch and read the part for more content
@Professor Fiction since the dark continent arc was under way and we know about the abilities of the 12 zodiac , can you do a video on them .
Good job on the video
To be fair when Netero sayed Peto is stronger then him he was just jokeing. What he really ment by that is that the royal guards would gave him a tuff time. 1 on 1 he would kill them.
Every member of the Troupe gets the Kite treatment. I think Neferpitou solos. I'm trying to think, who could damage them and who could dodge a strike or survive one hit. I think the Troupe could find a way to beat Youpi or Poof solo but Pitou is too OP.
Agree with all but u tripping netero is for sure slapping pitou w the Buddha and I’m not arguing about that 😂
It’s debatable
@@Professor_Fiction 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@Professor_Fiction I don't think Pitou has the same tactical view as Meruem after countless Gungi games, so he probably can't hit Netero, but Netero also can't really damage Pitou so
@@ainevek well she got one slap. I bet if she took the hits the king did some thing would start to crack and break
@@Hits191 idk, maybe but it's hard to say, pitou is incredibly resilient, and survived an attack from meruem meant to kill her without gettung real damage. Maybe zero hand would actually kill her? Anyhow I doubt Netero could actually kill her before she decides to just run away and look for another tactic or design an ability to counter the buddhavista, and I also doubt Netero could stop her from getting away
Dam, you said a nigga named Dicku steps on the verse?
I'd say the troupe actually has a chance to win with prep time, it's really cheesy tho (scenario like palace invasion without king). they prepare by getting soldier squadron leaders/officers, pakunoda gets memories for layout of the palace, gives bullets with memories to hisoka, chrollo, illumi. In the invasion they start with distractions to at least give some seconds to the important people. Illumi prepares army with chrollo explosion marks. All of troupe except for chrollo, phinks and feitan hide between them and sacrifice themselves. shalnark goes autopilot, hisoka uses bungee gum on all walls and rubble to give weaker members small speed boost (like in gotoh fight with himself and coins). chrollo feitan phinks also hide, on the way there they torture feitan to the brink of death and phinks winds up a ridiculous amount of times. chrollo teleports them in a way so they can hit their abilities (which is debatable cause guards have insane reaction time, all depends on if they manage the timing right and the distractions give them the few seconds to get 1 hit in). feitan goes on pitou cause youpi could maybe adapt to him. phinks one shots youpi with 1000x wind up. troupe would die too from feitans ability. Pouf survives but parts up. Uvo and illumi wait outside. Depends on if uvo and illumi can finish off whatever part of pouf that's left. Does someone also believe it could be pulled of like this? Although it's still unsure cause we got no concrete limits to feitan and phinks hatsu
Or do you think the pure stat difference would make it impossible to even get a few seconds?
also post death pitou reks if it comes out but pitou doesn't really have the time here to pinpoint something as a danger to the king which is the idea that brought it out
The situation where you remove the king allows the guards to be completly gloves off instead of doing their due diligence to their duty they are basically free to deal with the threat instead of rushing to the king Pitou is major factor to this her/his En Range completly invalidates any attempt in being sneaky Pitou relays the number of people to other 2 guards and pair this with their sense of analyzing danger levels Pitou would be a surgical strike to the most dangerous of the troupe Leaping all over the place while the troupe barely keeps up with Shaiapouf and Youpi. Once you apply teamwork for the guards and dont lobotimize them there is no conceivable way the guards lose. This whole situation assumes 4 things 1.The Royal guard upong sensing the troupe just rushes them with no plan whatsoever (Lobotomized) 2. The Royal guard doesnt cooperate (Lobotomized) 3. Allowing the troupe to even reach anywhere near the palace (Remember the troupe doesnt have a doorway telportation so no confusion as how they got there to capitalize) Pitou has 2km of identifying people and nen puppets wont confuse them (see dragon dive, Zeno and Netero) 4. Complete Intel to the Royal guard from their hatsu, how strong they are, speed, and nen Which the hunters fail to even get with 1 month of endless surveillance only assumptions based on their nen which they conceeded would be a slaughter.
Fighting them isn't even the hardest part its starting the engangement with favorable conditions ie. having the people to fight with
@@ye7625 in other words, Pitou solos the whole Phantom troupe unless Chrollo does an asspull
Phantom troupe vs the zodiacs 😮 zodiacs vs royal guards 😮
I don't think anyone thinks they are stronger, the only reason I think they have a chance is the same reason knuckle, Shalnark, and other low tier guys held on for so long.
The ants lack experience. They learn and adapt, but the reason knuckle lasts so long against youpi is because youpi is probably the least tactful of them... he adapts and realizes that and almost killed knuckle by pretending to be angry, but I'm just saying the ants lack of experience is what allowed the humans to live for so long.
And most notably, Hisoka and Chrollo are masters of tact, I could see either of them being a major problem...at least until they hit Pitou or the butterfly. They are smart.
I was mainly trying to outline that the ants are SO much stronger that the experience gap would have no effect on the outcome
Chrollo is the reason the Troupe Will win, he also uses unfair weapons, so he will most likely nuke them too.
Man we both know he gets no d8ffed stop the glaze
do a morel video he is 100% stronger than given credit for
I have never heard so dumb arguments. Yeah Meruem could easily kill the penguin and the turtle but not all squadron leaders were equally in strenght. Kite killed like 20 of them with one hit. Also Zazan transformed seemed really strong and the transformation looked like its Intention was to get a thicker skin. So the comparison between Zazan and the other squadleaders makes no sense. Also Knuckle, Shoot and Mereleon would have won against Youpi if Knuckle just let morel die. And Morel wasn’t really a Big help for the fight because he was at like 30% of his power when they started the invasion and after „fighting“ with pouf and losing his pipe he was maybe at like 10% power. And Killua has helped knuckle but if it wasn’t for Shoot pride knuckle wouldnt even got in the Situation to need help from Killua. And knuckle was able to leave a imprint on youpi with his bare fist with some nen and he isn’t even an enhancer. So Punch from Uvogin or Phinks would be good damage. That should also prove that the Needle from either Shalnark or Illumi would get through youpis skin and Most likely the same with pitou and shaiapouf. Also the strongest attack we saw from the Guard was youpis explosion which wasn’t really bigger than the one Uvogin made from his Big Bang Impact or Bonolenovs Jupiter. Most of the time you dont compare the troupe to the guards. Its just bullshit. And comparing chettu with Youpi also doesnt make any sense because chettu is meant to be fast and youpi is meant to be strong ofcourse theres a big difference in strenght. Your whole comparison just makes no sense. Shit video.
Moron
4:17 The databooks aren't canon, take anything they say with a grain of salt.
no joke, Netero would have no diffed any royal guard except for Youpi. Obviously only because of his speed.
lamo rip newworldreview
Professor Fiction I Would Like To Who Would Win Adult Gon Vs Netero?
Adult Gon rips his head off
@@Professor_Fiction I Majorly Agree With That But Also Would Adult Gon Be Caught Off Guard With The Pose Rose Bomb?
Before anything else i would like to say mockery (which you seem to use some in this video) is an argumental fallacy.
RG don't have nen abilities for combat(except yuupi). Chrollo with prep time should be able to hold 1v1 for some time(he held his ground 1v2 against zeno and silva), phinks having enough time can potentially one shot anyone so the question is, can all the others hold off 2 of the RG? i would say yes, RG does mostly underestimate their opponents and lack experiance, so prob woudnt go all out one-shoting troupe as fast as possible at the start. Troupe is at disadvantage in raw power but they do have decent chance to win
Edit: you kinda brushed off the cloak when zeno has a lot of experience, i think RG in their cockyness wouldn't see it as a threat(maybe pitou's senses might), using netero's wondering if he could even beat pitou is bit of a stretch and making puppets is not usable ability in combat since she needs to focus on the ability and stay on the spot to use it
1 Ant > 4/5 Spiders
That's understamating the ants
1 ant all>= spider
The assumption will end with the slaughter of Phantom troupe
I’ll say that the squad could beat 1 ant, with prep time 2. All the guards is impossible
do people think the troupe has a chance?!
look up other vids of the topic on yt
Well there actually people who think the troupe can beat meruem lol
The troupe can’t beat Meruem
Who would win in a fight between Morel and Feitan?
Depends, Morel is physically stronger, smarter, and has better abilities overall, but Pain Packer is above anything in Morels arsenal. It’s entirely dependent on if Feitan uses Pain Packer
@@Professor_Fiction Morel is smart enough to run away from big charge-up explosions, and if the entire troupe, including injured Shalnark had time to run away after observing the beginning of Pain Packer, Morel likely could as well. Though Feitan may be able to move it after starting the ability, that's unclear at this point.
No need to watch to know the weakest of the royal guard solos the whole squad with absolute ease
I see your standpoint, i really do,
but the BIGGEST HxH-UA-camr sorta disagrees with 'how much the Stomp would be'
The sound editing on this video is horrible. It starts with a scene that seems to have just overlayed two clips over eachother. The music in the background is just annoying and distracting and also a little to high.
This is about what I thought but I was really hoping for some rat argument lol.
Maybe in the future see about do video about how strong is boros
Maybe but he’s a really simple character to scale it would be a really short video lol
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Phinx can spin he's arms 1000000 times and can one shot anyone
Yo people still watch this
In theory yes, but Phinks has limited aura he will pass out at some point. His aura is inferior to that of Royal Guards, it's the same with Gon vs Razor. In theory Gon can charge his Jajanken infinitely, but he passed out because he ran out of aura.
Phinks' aura pool is limited and can't compare to that of Royal Guards. There is no way Phinks' can spin his arms that many times.
If he had enough time for it
Nobody did a vid on that so do it before some one takes it
My opinion: the troupe including the dead ones wins extreme diff to one member except for pouf.
But they could win if phinks rolls his arm like 50000 times.
Phinks doesn't have unlimited aura.
Do you think phinks has more aura than netero?
@@AndrewManook that's what the requirement is for bro
Pls make more hxh videos
You are putting squadron leaders in the same tier on fighting terms. U forget that meleoron is on the same tier as squadron leader as cheetu, zanzan and leol. Even leol and zanzan maybe arent comparable on 1v1. Zanzan clearly tends a to a fighting and is possibly among the strongest squadron leaders. You do everything by association, like if x , so y. If he cant pierce zanzan carapace, so he cant pitou. Ofc i bet pitous carapace is hard af and cant be pierced, but its not concrete. The king one shotted peggy, a squadron leader who have even less feats than meleoron and is possibly not even a fighting nen user. By that logic, killuas dad one shots zanzan too, right? Since he one shotted cheetu. Both zanzan and cheetu are squadron leaders. Think about possible ways one can overcome a stronger being instead of just raw power. Knuckles ability is possibly trash on 1v1 against most strong beings, but its a fucking good win condition against youpi, one of the strongest beings. You got to think about the possibilities and dont fall into falacies.
man these powerscalers always do this if X then Y reminds me of boruto power scalers scaling Adult Sasuke with 1 arm above juubi Madara there is no point they won't listen
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Debunking the video in 1 sentence: Kite gave pitou the fight of their life and pitou had some wounds even tried to revive him are you saying kite > 4 troupe memebrs combined together get out of here scaling doesn't work like this in HxH i dare to say 3 troupe members together 100% can take on any RG
saying kite wounded pitou is just wrong after the fight pitou only had scratches and keep in mind the pitou kite fought was a new born that didn't even understand how nen worked also lets say we agree pitou was seriously injured after the fight with kite which isn't true you are then indirectly saying kite has more attack power then netero because pitou tanked an attack from netero and took not damage and we know this is wrong because netero is way stronger then kite
@norenseogbomo5749 netero only did 1 hit on pitou, kite fought a full fight and pitou had wounds and revived him thats how much great of a fight it was, and saying new born pitou is just a a falasy if pitou didn't know how to use their power pitou would have died on the spot against a nen master, pitou already learned everything and just went to try their powers as pitou stated theirself
@@haithamalkilany3785 and that one hit from netero scales above anything we have seen from kite and scratches aren't wounds also newborn pitou didn't even have a nen ability and clearly didnt know much about nen that's why she questioned Pokkle to learn more about nen
@@haithamalkilany3785 also netero himself said he would lose to pitou so did colt and we know netero at this point is way stronger then the phantom troop because he was able to low diff multiple squadron leaders and we know one squadron leader went high diff with fetain one of the strongest members one the troop btw
@@norenseogbomo5749 First of all not all squadron leaders are the same powers so for example cheetu is very fast but has a very weak skin he would die to 1 ko from feitan 100% sure, and the squadron leader he fought put a condition to lose her beauty and shape for way tougher skin that is not piercable secondly he didnt kill all squadron leaders together he killed them 1 by 1 thats exptd from neotro since his power has no condition and he gained it through age and much work thirdly rising sun is one of the strongest nen auras we saw cause it has hard conditions and it would have demolised much stronger opponents also netero scales way above pitou he was troliing and we saw that when he fought mereum if it was pitou they would have never touched him pitou is not as smart and with zero hand he would probably sqashed pitou, also you just proved my point pitou did ask pokkle about nen and said i want to test my power if pitou didn;t have nen abilities it would ahve been easy fight also as you can see in the manga when pitou wanted to go to kite it used the sixth sense ability which is one of their strongest and its a nen ability so i dont know where u get these information (new born pitou) is just a myth, again if we conside uvogin to be with the phantom troupe he can stand his ground against youpi he scales way above killua and any other who fought youpi and he is really understmated, while the other troupes can easily defeat the other 2 especially if we count chrollo in the ants stand no chance
Yea all wrong
lol idk how some ppl watched HxH and think the Spiders can’t beat the Royal guard. Only thing the Royal guard have going for them is just raw power and speed. That shit isn’t always enough to win you a fight in HxH because of ppls nen abilities and hax. Spiders are heavily skill in nen, masters of combat and tactics, and amazing nen abilities. All that shit goes a long way against “speed blitz and one hit kill” that y’all love to say😂. Not saying it’s going to be easy but if Gon, killua, morel, knuckle, and shoot can 3v5 the Royal guards and survive I think the troupe can 3v12 and win.
It’s 3 people each stronger and faster than the Troupe’s strongest and fastest fighters. They would one shot every member of the troupe. How are you going to activate your ability if you get one shot
More than half of the troupe arent even on the level of morel, knuckle, and gon so more than half of the troupe would be dead by the time the fight starts
@@Professor_Fiction stop using 1 shot and blitz speed pitou didn't 1 shot kite who has less speed than feitan
@@haithamalkilany3785base on what is feitan faster ?😭
because pitou was playing with kite
To go over some points:
No, Netero would never lose against Pitou, he never thought he would, that's just... No. Netero is a massive troll, and he said what he did because he wanted to stall until Meruem was born. This is the guy who created the entire hunter association just to get a decent opponent, and put the biggest slimeball in the association as his #2 because he wanted to get trolled himself.
As for Pitou not being damaged by the Guanyin, I'll go ahead and explain some of how it can be inferred to work. Netero spends zero aura when he attacks with the Guanyin. We know this because he was confident he could outlast Meruem, despite knowing that his aura reserves were much, much smaller, and the fact that it's directly stated he put every drop of aura into zero hand.
He conjures his statue, and manipulates it (that's 60% efficiency, btw), but doesn't actually imbue the attacks with aura, they're purely physical. The attack is meant to keep opponents at a distance, knock them around, and wear them down to the point he can one-shot them with zero hand.
If Netero had fought Pitou right when he saw them, (regardless of whether he prepared zero hand ahead of time; Pitou isn't smart enough to find a weakness in Netero's defenses), he'd have won handily.
As for Phinks, you're right, but I also want to go into it a bit. People no-limits fallacy Phinks constantly, and it really bugs me. His attack is the same type as Ja-Janken, a Ko that builds up over time for a devastating hit. It's really nothing special, and there's no way he'd be able to actually land a hit on a Royal Guard, even if he could theoretically put all of his reserves into one punch capable of seriously wounding a royal guard.
Also, the databooks aren't cannon. They were written by the editors and aren't generally reliable. Even if they were, "X/5" is way too vague to be useful in a power range this broad, and using them as a cornerstone for your argument really weakens it.
Could the troupe beat the Royal Guard? Maybe. Assuming Fun-fun cloth works on one of the guards (and can't be broken out of with a large amount of Aura like other conjuration techniques like Cheetu's), and Feitan is able to take a glancing blow that only puts him near-death to get a retaliation strong enough to kill another, it's definitely doable if the remaining one is Pouf, since Pouf doesn't even have enough direct offense to take out Morel.
My guess is that if the Troupe actually went against the Royal guard, Chrollo would grab an ability similar to Taboo from YuYu Hakusho (assuming he doesn't have one available already), that one-shots or disables anyone who violates the terms of the ability, regardless of their power. They've got good instincts, but word games would catch all of them but Pouf lacking, and Pouf is pretty easy to take out with a low-power rising sun if he's in particle form.
Uvogien has enough physical power to at least keep them occupied for a while, especially with the other troupe members doing stuff (being hit with Benolenov's Jupiter wouldn't kill any of the royal guards, but it would and while shalnark getting a needle in one of them is unlikely, I wouldn't be surprised if they were careless enough with Ko for it to be possible.
I'd say the troupe wins 3/10 times with no prep, 1/10 if they don't know anything about the situation, or 6/10 if they have a couple weeks to prepare.
The thing about manipulation abilities is that as long as the conditions are met they work dosent matter how strong the opponent is but I doubt illumi can even pierce the skin of the royal guards.
fax good video
The Phantom Troupe can’t even beat netero.
I agree
@@Professor_Fiction could you make a video about Netero vs the royal guards.
I’m gonna do something like that
Pitou has a bruise and scratches againts 1 arm Kite and yall think they would beat the Troupe lmaoo RGs are overrated.
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That’s when Pitou wasn’t explore his full potential yet, and he wasn’t fight Kite serious at all since he wants to enjoy his first fight.
What’s fun would come if you straight killed your opponent.
First of all, you're taking information from a databook what wasn't written by Togashi and gives bad stuff.
Killua? Equal stats with Chrollo? Ridiculously. He's only stat above may be speed. The rest? Low af.
Netero was humble btw. He also compared Knov with him 😂 Why didn't you precised this? Of course it wouldn't make sense, but you could take his humble moment of giving credit to Pitou, but when it came in practice, Netero literally slapped Pitou kms away instantly. The difference is actually big, and what i m saying is that, Netero is levels above. In fact Netero kinda shocked Meruem.
Yes the Troupe definitely lose this. Pitou Youpi and Pouf are too much together.
But...the downplay is hard af..
Cheetu, trained by Pitou and Youpi, got one shoted by Silva's punch. The same Silva punched Chrollo and did 0 damage.
Pitou activated all his 6 senses full out, the moment he felt Zeno's aura btw. The same Zeno who had Silva around to kill Chrollo.
Definitely, you're downplaying A LOT some aspects there.
I either don't care if you only bring aspects to overrate actually the royal guard.
Knuckles and Shoot are FAR INFERIORS to some members troupe. And as i said let that delusional databook away. It's been confirmed already for so many years that are clowny informations there. You can't be that sick to believe Killua and Gon scales that high.
Ah and btw, pain packer doesn't reflect the damage back, but emitte the amount of damage you gave to Feitan (pain packer being stated to be versatile, literally).
"We don't talk about possibilities" so we can give one sided affirmation about situations right? :)) Eventually deceiving some other aspects. Sure.
Moron
Youpi and Pitou can solo the phantom troupe the only debatable one is Pouf
You think the one that can turn into microscopic clones of himself, instantly paralyze and read the minds of all of them, and outsmart Chrollo, is debatable but not the walking tank Youpi with no brain?
@@Professor_Fiction youpi in his second form
Becomes debatable the strongest troupe member
Amd come on outsmarting knuckle who is a genius at fighting
And has the mist complicated ability in the show
He can do the same thing and kill most of them
I feel Uvogin would ve a serious threat besides Gons ultimate sacrifice and Youpis rage he was said to be the strangest enhancer in HxH. Would love a death battle type fight against the guards
He's the only one who may be able to physically compete but thats still a maybe tho
Uvogin at best is only little above monster form Zazan physical wise, that’s still far away from RG level.
@@stresspower2323 i doubt it. He didnt have a physical equal in all of HxH. His battlefield prowess was well known. Karapika only was able to beat him with a laundry list of op nen abilities specifically tailored to the spiders
@@Hits191 Do you believe Feitans ko infused sword world break only by contact on defenseless Uvo body as when Feitan does to Zazan?
If you think so, you basically place Feitan as same level as someone like Dalzollane.
If you don’t think so, there’s no other evidence to put Uvo above Zazan level.
@@stresspower2323 no way of telling. Probably not but that ko infused sword isnt a end all be all. Ovo is still human but who knows fully enhanced maybe.
Most of the troupe members if not all would get an mental breakdown standing infront of all 3 royal guards