Can the Ventris sound as lush as the Specular Reverb / Tempus?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- This is a quick comparison between the GFI System Specular Tempus and Source Audio Ventris. I bought the Ventris to see if it could replace my Specular Reverb V2, but I also wanted to compare it to the Specular Tempus. The Tempus has all the reverb algorithms of the Specular Reverb plus some extra ones, and it also has 10+ delay algorithms.
This video is by no means an extensive review of the features of each of the pedals, there are plenty of videos on UA-cam which offer just that. I thought it would be nice to hear the two side-by-side, so I tried to recreate the default algorithm on the Specular Reverb V2 (called "Spatium" on the Tempus) with the Ventris, using the "E-dome" setting. Here's what's in the demo:
00:00 - 01:45 : Volca Bass + Specular Tempus
01:45 - 03:50 : Volca Bass + Ventris
03:50 - 05:10 : Volca FM + Specular Tempus
05:10 - 06:30 : Volca FM + Ventris
I could have gone into much more detail to recreate the sound of the Specular - the Ventris offers a wide range of parameters that can be tweaked. Overall the Ventris can sound much brighter (depending on the "Treble" setting) and its tone decays slower than the Specular. I think the modulation of the Specular gives it a more natural sound, but that's something that can be tweaked in more detail on the Ventris - diffusion, modulation depth and rate, not all of which are available on the Specular Tempus - if I wanted to get closer.
I decided to try the Specular Tempus after I saw this video: • The Specular Tempus: A...
I wasn't too impressed with the extra things the Specular Tempus has to offer compared to the Specular Reverb V2 that I've owned for a year now. The additional reverb types are good, but in the end I just want that one huge ambient sound, and that's already available on the Specular Reverb. The delay algorithms to me all sound rather 'synthetic' - I'd rather get a delay pedal that sounds more natural. So I will return the Tempus, but I will not get rid of the Specular Reverb just yet. :)
As you may have seen on this channel, we also use the Strymon Big Sky. To clear that up: we're two guys, and I (Abel, I made this video) own the Specular Reverb V2, and now the Ventris as well. Joep, the other guy, owns the Big Sky. So you're probably wondering - which would I pick? For me that's easy: the Big Sky. Nothing beats the Clouds mode, and the realistic reverb settings (room, hall, plate, etc.) all sound very natural. With the Ventris I tend to think the realistic reverbs sound a bit metallic, or too clean, but from using them in jams I think that can add something very interesting to the overall sound.
Video recorded with iPhone 7. Audio recorded with UFX1204 in "standalone" mode, recording directly to USB HDD.
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Came for the Ventris & Tempus… stayed for the Volcas
Pedals aside, what an amazing cinematic sound!
In a moment I forgot about the pedals 😁
Thanks Francisco!! :)
Tempus. Those Cinematic Emotional Ethereal sounds are breathtaking
I was rooting for the specular tempus on this one. But the ventris had a certain sweetness and clarity to the sound that gives me goosebumps
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate
Rüdiger Gellert : My favorite movie.
@@SlenterendeBeer Also one of my favorites. You just inspired me to improvise on my volca bass. Unfortunately I have only an onboard lexicon reverb in my mixer. I need some decent "room maker". Viele Grüße aus Berlin
Rüdiger Gellert : I think the Bass is the best sounding synth from the Volca range. Groeten uit Utrecht! :)
@@SlenterendeBeer I own neither, but from what I've heard the original Bass looks much better than the "Nu" Bass.
@@craig_z My first volca was Bass - i stand firm that it is the best out of Volca series.
Nice Tones man!!! Impressed at the Volca's ability to sound great w/ the right verb.
So SO SO HELPFUL!!! your comments on the tempus versus specular reverb are just golden nuggets of info...and of course the sounds you get from the volca bass leave me speechless ( and I make a living composing/producing...) Merci!!
Thanks for the kind words Alex!! Merci bien :)
I would take both units and layer them for the hell of it! Those little Korgs are brilliant.
Wow, you guys seem very kind people. I’m interested in the connections that you use! Nice demo!
Very tempted by the tempus. Great demo as per usual. 👍🏻
I don't think you would be disappointed by the Tempus, it does have some amazing settings.
Great stuff again and again. Very momentary lapse of reason... Love it
Thank you so much!! :)
that VB + ST combo is 70s magic
Lovely Volca FM patch. Never heard of the Specular Reverb but going to have to search that one out.
Sounds amazing. Keep it up.
I would take both ! Very nice warm sound !
matse wunderlich : I agree, they both sound really good. :)
Love your stuff .
William Law : Thank you! :)
Sounds pretty beautiful to me!
Inky AT DaMm CaT studios : Thanks, Inky!! :)
Thanks for this comparison. I was wondering about the sound of Source Audio Collider (which has the algorhythms of Ventris) and GFI Specular Tempus, which are both reverb/delay. I see Specular offers much less sound design features on the panel, while Collider has a lot... All in all they seem to sound quite similar, with the Ventris longer in decay as you mentined. Thank you for this useful video!!
Outstanding
I could say that oscillators can be associated with different vibrational architectures, with which we identify and find ourselves according to particularities, filters represent the way we get to vibrate emotionally, and the effects represent the way in which the structure of our being resonates in the depth of specific sensitivity soul and spirit.
The two effects have different psychological and spiritual resonances, as follows:
Specular Tempus generates a state of emptiness in consciousness (somehow takes you out of time - stops the mind / a state of "STOP"), while Ventris generates a state of fine adventure, it's like going on a sentimental journey.
So beautiful
You just sold me on a Volca / pedal combo!
Great to hear! The Volcas really do come to life when hooked up to a pedal. :)
Look what you did! I ordered me the specular reverb...
Rüdiger Gellert : Good choice! I love mine. :)
Good demo. I have both and you confirmed for me the Spectral Tempus is wider but the Ventris is deeper and more diffuse (and brighter as you said). The Nero Desktop app is key with the Ventris to tweak and create. I like 'em both. I didn't have great luck recording with the Big Sky but it does have some very special settings. I should try it again. I'm looking forward top the Dr. Scientist The Atmosphere.
Thanks! Yeah I still have to check out the Ventris community patches with their Neuro apps, I think that's an awesome addition to their pedal landscape.
So beautiful man!
Both those pedals sound amazing, and you can find uses for both. I'm currently waiting on a Crazy Tube Circuits Splash MK3 Stereo + to hit my front door - I hoping it sounds as good as all the demos I've head on here.
Oh cool! From the demos I've heard of the Splash, it sounds really great. Looking forward to your music! :)
Awesome little video Abel! Thanks for sharing
Looprovisation : Thanks!! :)
That ventris is pretty keen! I’ll keep the tempus though. Another comment or was correct, they start he low cut off pretty aggressive in the presets. Guess the programmer isn’t so into sci-if ha. It gets waaayyy more bonkers with the software ( it updates parameters in real time which is dope for trying stuff out). General consensus seems spot on though...get both. Different case uses.
We sure have some great choices in reverb today!! Consumer reverbs a few decades ago ( or just 10 years ago) sounded like harsh digital reflections in a fake horrible environment. Then came Space, BigSky and all these wonderful pedals...and now we little consumer studios have the opportunity to design spaces light years in size. We have real and beautiful reverbs to enhance every synth sound design. Let creation begin again :)
i just love running into comments like yours. your concise description imaged something, well, light-years in size. like you, i love those big spaces. and to your point, i absolutely agree- my foray into the realm of 90's rackmounted reverb units kind of... well, they didn't illuminate, or reveal, the spaces you've referenced. this tech was my first grown-up reverb. i've collected others since, but this one is the one that gets turned on every single time, for something. =) the space it opens up is simply too big to ignore. cheers to you.
pretty spectacular how huge a budget synth can sound through a decent effects unit
Thomas Moerman : Yep! :)
Sounds good! I've got the Tempus, which incidentally I got because I saw you using the Reverb in one of your videos, and I think I have barely scratched the surface of modulation possibilities with that little thing, very happy with my purchase, also it didn't hurt that it was much cheaper that the alternatives :D
Stefano Mattia : Great to hear you’re happy with it! And I agree: the Tempus has a whole lot to offer for that price! :)
Same here, I just bought the Tempus, because I saw you using it in your videos :) I'm verry happy with it, and I was just wondering tonight, if I should buy the Ventris as a complement, and just at the moment, I received the notification of this new video. Funny :). Also considering the Blue Sky as a second big-name reverb, without spending too much on a Big Sky, as I heard / read that the Blue has all the sounds of the Big, but without all modulations and parameters capabilities.
@@kitchenelectronica : Sounds like you're just as big of a reverb addict as I am! Enjoy the Tempus. :)
Wow! Beautiful stuff. Fantastic demo SB. I'll buy both.
apislapis : Thank you!! You won’t regret it. :)
Wow that Tempas is full of simple pure bliss...infact both sound pure...The Tempas @3:50...wow......stunning
I like the GFI for outer-worldly sounds (and it has the only Shimmer verb that I can stand), but the Ventris has the best spring emulation I've ever heard. I mean it's crazy good.
TheParanoidAndroid79 : Yes, I completely agree with all your points!! :)
Who wins for plate verb?
Do you know if the Collider has the same algorithm?
I like the Tempus on cold sounds and I would use the Ventris on warm sounding instruments. But seriously, they are both stellar reverbs for the money.
Kim Gauge : That’s an interesting distinction. Totally agree: they are both great! :)
Because the Tempus isn't as bright as the Ventris, I take it?
@@Jason75913 correct
@@kimgaugemusic I'm pretty sure you're wrong on this. It's obvious around 0:45, when he moves to octave 4 on keys, the Tempus sounds brighter than the Ventris, during the same bar played, at about 2:35. Not only that, but the decays on the Ventris are so much more alive, thick and richer.
A friend of mine and I both have the Ventris (got mine 'cause of his), and we're both jazz guitar players. He actually uses the Big Sky when he plays his hollow body Gibson due to his feeling that the Ventris is too warm on that Gibson.
Another friend of mine is a blues/rock player who plays a pretty bright sounding Fender. He really likes a brighter tone, but once he got the Ventris, he realized that he was sounding too glassy with his Strat/Tempus combo. He then sold it to me, since reverb is my favorite effect.
That was only 1/2 of the Tempus's abilities. Don't forget there's still an amazing delay pedal in the other 1/2 of the Tempus.
Tai Song : Yep, totally true! For this comparison I was just interested in the “lushest” reverbs these two pedals have to offer.
Your thinking about the Collider.
Thanks for sharing - i was also wondering about the difference between the tempus over the standard reverb pedal. I think I'm more in line with your thought of having a reverb you can set and let be. I'll look at the specular reverb one more time, though the Mercury 7 also looks good for this
I have the Mercury7. Awesome reverb, but still wanting a Ventris!
Felt like I was watching Bladerunner. Awesome demo.
Good comparison. But you can do more with the Ventris. Even so, it competes well with the Tempus on just one limited setting. It is warmer
Holy cow!!!
Holy shit - I know that's one of my patches on the FM but I've never heard it sound that great?! I know the reverb is helping but you've tweaked the envelopes on the front panel as well? Damn I love hearing people make my patches sound so good!
Oscillator Sink : Thanks buddy!! :) Yeah I just set the modulator decay to max, and the carrier attack to 40-45. Love this patch, especially with some pitch LFO.
Hi Mr Sink, which patch is this? My Volca FM is a bit under utilised and I keep meaning to try your patches!
Sounds fantastic, great demo.
@@leftmono1016 it's Outran from my FM Does Analogue pack - I think the boys get a lot of use out of "Friendbass" from that same pack too!
Oscillator Sink - cheers for that. Funnily enough I had that pack in mind being a predictable old analogue type of bloke. D'oh, as I'm typing this I've just realised you can see the patch name on the Volca.
So awesome! After all these years it made me want to actually buy this Korg line. Loving your patches too Oscillator Sink. I've sub you both.
The Specular Tempus needs a dual mono mode: delay to output a, reverb to output b. Delay for the main signal, shimmer reverb through a separate amp.
That way, you could use a splitter in front of the Specular Tempus, to add an overdrive to the delay and a volume pedal to the shimmer (both have to be in front of the delay or reverb...)
I agree! I hope that's possible. I'm having a hard time deciding between the Specular Tempus and the Source Audio Collider pedal, which has the dual mono option - so I could use the pedal on two separate synths. If the Tempus had this, I'd probably get it!
I like the one that goes aHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I like how solid and forward the ventis reverb sounds like it's not muddy or cloudy just a very bold element. Which is what I tend to minimize reverb because of these qualities so I'm very interested in getting one haha
Need. This. Kit.
Great video man been watching ur channel for a while savage stuff. Just wondering what preset do you have on the volca FM it sounds amazing I've got a volca fm but not that preset on it. Can you load new presets onto it??
Read the description! "This Volca FM patch is by Oscillator Sink: ua-cam.com/users/OscillatorSink
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I'd like to have both, obviously, but the Ventris produces some kind of more spiritual impact if you know what I mean.
Yeah its a better reverb
The tempus is perfect for me except for one little hiccup. No trails while switching between A or B or different pages
What is your favorite reverb now?
Night chill after job.... 🤗😌👌👏👍
Себастьян Перейро : Thanks for listening!! :)
Very Vangelis... 😎
Bladerunner
fckin` cool!
holy f'n blade runner!
Erich Nolan Bertussi : It’s in my DNA!! :)
@@SlenterendeBeer very well done
Yes, i did not realize how much of the Vangelis sound was due to his use of high-quality reverb, instead of just the Yamaha CS80
@@SlenterendeBeer i need to get one of those little white boxes and the silver on the right too! gotta add to my 'must get' list.
Mine too. I have everything related to Balde Runner, specially about the sounds and songs. Vangelis rules!!!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm delicious deep intro!
Sky High Diamonds : Thanks!! :)
Hello. It's exactly what I m thinking about - specular reverb or ventris... Just can't decide! Wanna use with synths and guitar, which of them gives more headroom for synths? and which one you gonna choose from two?)
Hi Vitalic, I chose the Ventris. Some of the Ventris' reverbs sound more natural to me. And being able to combine two different engines with such a WIDE range of parameters to tweak, that's just great. The plus side of the Tempus would be the different delay algorithms, but I now own a Strymon Timeline, so nothing can beat that... I LOVE the reverb sound of the Tempus, but my Specular Reverb V2 can do that just fine. EDIT: you should also read the description of this video. ;)
That's a great info for me. By myself I was felling that something in ventris too. Yeah I read description and decided put big sky out of compare as its a priori yours favorite)) ok now it seems 4 me a decision between specular reverb2 or ventris dual (seems like I want both!) so since you own both of them does specular reverb2 has less headroom for synths than ventris dual? And face to face: specular reveb2 or ventris dual - which of them is your favorite to go for synthesizers?
P.s. This Chanel is highly inspiring.
p.p.s excuse my grammar
Vitalic Baklanov : I’m not exactly sure what you mean by headroom, but I do know that all synths I put through all these reverb boxes sound GREAT. Comparing the Specular Reverb (if you are getting one, get the V3!) to the Ventris is not fair, because the Ventris can do sooooo much more. So if the choice is between those two, go for the Ventris. You won’t be disappointed. :)
Hi. can anyone tell me if i will have to run my synths at a low volume through the tempus to avoid distortion and therefore lose output when i am live ? thanks - i need to run my fa06,minilogue xd jupiter 50 at 60-70%% volume for my foldback. also is the ventris the same .thanks
i use a small mixer to govern my input levels to the effects. i guess this means, for my gain staging, the signal leaves the synth at 75-80%, is governed higher or lower to unity, and then sent to the effects loop. the incoming effect is mixed in to the original signal to the wet/dry mix desired, then out to the amp. that's what works for me. it's probably a whole lot easier to do it another way, but it sounds pretty good in my room.
How would you get this type of reverb sound on the Bigsky?
The Ventris seems to be a bit fatter in the bottom end, while the Tempus is more focused and brilliant. Both are lush as anything out there. I wonder where the low cut was on those Tempus presets? They normally start you off with low cut about half way up, but if you want that thing can get FAT.
Ryan Harner : I hadn’t touched the low cut for the Tempus. :)
Tempus for sure...
Damm !!
I think the Ventris sounds overall better, its not always velvet sweet and has something own going on. Sweet sounds though. Love it.
staalklang : Thanks!! :)
Can do it also with the Zoom MS-70CDR you have?
You won't be able to get sounds like this from the MS-70CDR. It does have some cool presets, like the Particle Reverb, but a lot of them are mono - which was one of the reasons I wanted to get a proper reverb pedal. Here's a video where I use the Particle Reverb, to get an idea: ua-cam.com/video/20XjFBhSeJc/v-deo.html
If you think the Specular was awesome, try and bump your volume a couple steps every time you hear the Ventris. Then think again.
Those who think that the Volcas are crap need to hear this!
Yes, although this video mostly demonstrates the reverbs, of course. ;)
so between tempus, space ,big sky and ventris, and H9 max??if only one dessert island reverb pedal for synths (ms2000,virus ti,analog four.).. which one would you choose??? great video!!
Thanks!! If I had to choose one, it would be the Big Sky. :)
If I were on a dessert island, I'd probably spend all my time eating.
@@almightyEsquilax I'd love to be stuck on a dessert island.
According to some qualified people the Big Sky or H9 algorithms just don't stand a chance against Tempus and Empress.
@@granthutchins2016 Underrated comment ;) Answer: Yes.
Why cables are not directly plugged into the volcas ? i mean what are the little box in between ?
Mnml44 : Those are ground loop isolators, to prevent noise.
@@SlenterendeBeer i didn't get the notification earlier but thanks for the reply :)
Ventis sounds clear , tempus sounds warm
Tempus or Big Sky on synth? I have both and need one for guitar and one for synth.
If you have them maybe you could... humhum.... try it?
I have the ventris and it’s the best reverb pedal I’ve owned. It has the most authentic spring and plate and the edome is really lush
Yes I agree. I still prefer the Big Sky, because I think it sounds warmer, but it all depends on what you want to use it for. I haven't used the Ventris on guitar, but all guitar demos I hear sound fantastic. :)
I find the Meris Mercury 7 has the best plate...
how are you making the volca fm go so slow?
silverio salazar : By default the minimum tempo is 56bpm, but you can change a global parameter (see the manual) to make it go as low as 10bpm. Also, by changing the tempo resolution to “1/4” each step of the sequencer is a 1/4 note instead of a 1/16 note, so the full sequence will be 4 bars. :)
What's the cheapest reverb pedal that can achieve an effect like this?
DestinyCloudFist : I think Specular Reverb V3 or Neunaber Immerse mkII.
@@SlenterendeBeer Thanks a lot, fastest somebody ever replyed to me lol, I'll try to find one of those second hand. Can the Immerse Reverb mk1 do the job?, I see they are easier to find second hand.
DestinyCloudFist : Yes, mk I sounds nice as well, but make sure you look up some comparison videos first so you know what you’re getting. ;)
To me tempus sounds grander and ventris sounds sadder…more emotional. Both mindblowing
So why would you choose the big sky over the Ventris? (If you were stuck in a dessert island)
Jay : I’ve explained that in the video description. ;) Short answer: I think the Big Sky’s reverbs sound more natural than the Ventris.
@@SlenterendeBeer I agree but Big Sky is not properly "natural". ;-)
Alex Max : Which natural reverb do you prefer?
@@SlenterendeBeer Big Sky and Specular Tempus but I admit they aren't natural ;-)
I wonder how the new Collider stacks up.
shitmandood : Well, I’m using the Ventris’ E-DOME setting here, which is also available on the Collider, so I’m assuming it will be the same. :)
@@SlenterendeBeer There are a couple comparisons. Collider seems to be the same for the algos it shares Ventris --or 1/2 the Ventris dual reverb + 1/2 the Nemesis delay
Eric Peterson : Yep, sounds like a great deal! :)
Interesting effect >> When I hear the Tempus, it's like "wow that's so pretty!" but when the Ventris pushes that space reverb, all the hairs on my arm stick up and my jaw drops to the floor. Definitely getting one.
Bonsaipanda : Great! For me it differs per synth and jam. Sometimes the Ventris can sound a little cold, but other times it produces very rich sounds and I love it. :)
@@SlenterendeBeer That's exactly what it feels like - like the Ventris is sort of lacking character, but it sounds like a synth on it's own when it gets going. I'm so loving the reverb swells on the other jam you guys posted (ua-cam.com/video/ap3eGNf30SE/v-deo.html), been listening to that a lot. Too much. Way too much.
It sounds good. I don’t how it would sound compared to the TC Electronics Hall of Fame 2, but I really like the sound of my Rhodes and Synths through my HOF 2. A good reverb can be addictive!
Yeah the HOF2 sounds pretty great too. Totally agree about reverb being addictive! :)
I ended up getting the Specular Tempus and it totally blows away the HOF 2. I am considering the VENTRIS and Nemesis.
I picked up a Korg KP3+ for cheap just to add some effects for my volca(also nice for sampling), it seems it can do reverb+delay, but will I be able to get this level of quality? The presets seem more geared towards EDM...
Scelestiis : I’m not familiar with Kaoss Pads, so I wouldn’t be able to tell you. My guess is that it won’t be able to get to this level of quality, since these are considered high-end reverb pedals.
I have the Kp3. It is not really meant to be used like this. The reverbs are very basic and flat compared to these. I found a use for mine hooked to my Volca sample. It makes it real easy to break the beat up and add delays to precise parts. I was about to sell mine before I discovered using it like that.
Which do you prefer OP?
Short answer: the Ventris. Long answer: read the video description and the comments. ;)
Specular tempus sounded cleaner/brighter
is Tempus has temp sync?
MIDI
Wich one better as your opinion?
Eko Bari : I think I’ve already answered that question in the other comments. I did not keep the Specular Tempus - not because I don’t like the sound, but because I also own a Specular Reverb. I also think the Ventris can do more, because there are more parameters to tweak. :)
@@SlenterendeBeer I'm dying to know whether the Spatium algo on the Specular Reverb 2 sounds the same as the Spectular Tempus. Did you have a chance to compare them before you moved along the ST? I'm aware that the range of the mix knob is different on both pedals but I understand that it's the exact same algo. What I want to find out is if there would be any improvement in sound fidelity to be had by upgrading from the SR to the ST if the only algo I plan to use is Spatium. I would be grateful for any input you could share on this as a fellow SR2 user! I couldn't find this comparison anywhere on the internet.
@@mikem.1203 I haven’t made a direct comparison, but the manual has a clear explanation on page 9: www.gfisystem.com/_files/ugd/9deb14_8c4a6361335e40c1ba3d653b4fd4cc3f.pdf
“A word regarding Specular Reverb V2 / V3
The algorithms from our award‐winning Specular Reverb V2 / V3 pedals have all been ported to Specular Tempus, improved and expanded with additional parameters and features for deeper tweaking. Some of those algorithms appear with different names in Specular Tempus.”
The added controls for the Spatium algorithm are: “High‐cut, Low‐cut, Wet Panning, Modulation”
It similari to Blade runner's theme
The Ventris sounds good but thinner. Is it mono?
NO... stereo in / out!
@@rlanguillat thanks for the answer!
@@juliengiuliano628 2 years late haha - welcome!
@@rlanguillat mieux vaut tard que jamais ;)
The Ventris sounds higher fidelity and is next level because of its dual reverb abilities not covered here... A more appropriate comparison would be the ST vs Collider because both are single reverbs and delays...
Ventris is superior ...
agree!
when I listen on some great monitors the specular leaves ventris in the dust!
Безнадега
So now you believe that specular tempus is da shit
Ventris is better in my opinion.