Dominion Voting v. Fox Filing: What the Media Got Wrong About ‘The Right’
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2023
- On this week’s podcast, Jon is joined by writers Jay Jurden and Robby Slowik, who break down the revelations contained in the Dominion Voting Systems v. Fox News filing. They talk about how Fox is even worse than everyone suspected, the time Jon sat down with Roger Ailes, and what Fox News has in common with “The Last of Us.” The full episode drops on Apple Podcasts tomorrow!
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As John pointed out, a common element of these pathological liars is lack of shame.
That would require them to have self awareness and a empathy.
Fox news put out a video supporting an anti-Ukraine war rally held on the 19th. Something isn't adding up.
I also think it’s spot on to say that lack of shame is their greatest strength.
Without it, they will do anything for power and money. And they have.
I would like to drop the "pathological", though. Pathological liars have a pathology, a disorder that causes their lies and many of them do feel shame. These pricks, otoh, have deliberately chosen to perpetuate lies they knew to be destructive. They're not pathological, they're intentional. And they need to be stopped with none of the mercy you'd show someone who couldn't help themselves.
And the defining characteristic of everyone else is a lack of courage.
A lack of shame goes hand in hand with a lack of empathy.
I have never seen so many people with such a lack of empathy and conscience.
100 times WORSE than what any of us could imagine!!!
...including the damage done.
the fact that mccarthy has responded to the dominion filing by giving tucker 44k hours of footage from 1/6 should be a case for treason in itself.
As a straight white man in his 50's I admit to hating Tucker Carlson. He makes me sick. Thanks John, keep pushing the truth.
If you are anyone with any decency or ethics, you should hate Carlson. You have to be either a creep or stupid to respect him.
have you ever watched tuckers show? since your an msnbc guy it woudl probably go right over your head. after switching to fox news comign back to this crap its so dumbed down its news for people in a coma, they do cartwheels to avoid discussing the substance of any issue. This is why people who watch this crap litteraly know nothign about conservatives our government, hell they dont even know what democrats are about, they wont ever let a conservative on because they know 2 minutes of truth defeats years of lies. As for tucker they are always welcome on his show, hes confident enough in his beliefs not to run away from a debate, hes able to express his views openly without shame, no wonder he makes you sick hes a winner your a looser.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell.
I think you have a good point.
So very true - no self scrutiny, at all.
The first time I heard Rush Limbaugh not even tacitly urging his listeners to hate and occasionally urge violence against the ‘other side’ that existed largely in their stories, I knew that their goal was scorched earth.
thare demented avengers on whatever avengence thay may have going round in thare tiny headed brain's
Rush Limbaugh? The drug addict who was using his illegal alien maid to collect painkillers and opiates? That Rush Limbaugh?
Repugnuts.
the fact that rush limbaugh got cancer and died almost made me believe that there is a God. but then I hear all the shit from fox news and Im like nope
hahaha I had the very same thought... but dont worry, piece by piece
And when Rush Limbaugh got to live a long, rich life without fear of consequences, I knew that the rest of society were a bunch of worthless pussies.
You helped me homeschool my daughter with your Daily Show and all the critical thinking and debate and impression comedy. You have no idea of the good you’ve done. Thankyou.
Now there's a good recommendation for home schooling!
That explains how Democrats vote and how America ended up with a demented pedophile as president.
My kids learned a lot from Jon because they saw me watching him so much while they were growing up. I am proud to say they are all 3, almost as liberal as me. They are 31,32, and 33 👍
Man, this is surely one of the sickest comments I have ever seen on UA-cam.
@@whatacrazyride1658 How so?
Last summer when Tuckums was visiting my state, a guy confronted him and told him that he's the worst person known to mankind. He's right, and it was beautiful.
I think I saw a video of that on social media. It was extremely validating
@@amarbyrd2520 Me too, and kudos to that guy.
"They're everything we thought they were. The worst." Delightfully stated.
I saw a story on Ukraine on PBS yesterday, and at the end I had tears in my eyes, not at the story per se but at the quality of the journalism, the format, damn I miss actual reporting.
I just saw a video of Fox news promoting an anti-Ukraine war rally with various left and libertarian speakers. I wonder what Jon thinks about it.
Yeah, PBS is quality stuff, their youtube media arm slaps too. PBS Spacetime is one of my favorite channels, hands down. Also, lots of other countries' international news can be pretty stand up. Don't recall the names but I remember seeing some German, Swedish, and Australian news broadcasts about Ukraine and other happenings abroad and I thought to myself "well at least someone in the world is getting some balanced information on the regular." Though I'm not positive on their viewership.
@@Hippie4Hire Murdoch has his hooks into Australia as well. He owns 80%+ of the print media, and has way too much influence in all other media.
@Dave Spanksalot I was unaware of this. The Australian one I watched was about the Japanese military build up and their fortification of the southwestern parts of the island chain. Seemed pretty good, talked about how the locals of Okinawa feel, told their horror stories about hiding in the jungle and a large percentage dying from disease and starvation. So the elder generation was heartbroken and protesting while the younger generations were pretty for the fortification efforts. Also talked to some Japanese enlisted. I felt it was pretty good. Showed both sides and gave their motivations, damn near no opinion or fear baiting.
I know this is one example and doesn't represent the whole of Australian news broadcasting. Just thought that my limited snap shot into it was pretty good.
Plus for Australian news I usually watch Friendlyjordies and BoyBoy. Since I don't live in the country, and they all seem like stand up dudes, I feel like it's a pretty good summary of what's going on.
@@Hippie4Hire we're very lucky to have one fully taxpayer funded (relatively) independent media organisation. I'm guessing you were looking at the ABC, our version of the BBC. Friendlyjordies isn't too bad but he tends to be NSW oriented and I like what I've seen of Boy Boy. I'd recommend as well checking out our partially funded special broadcast service (SBS), and if you have a VPN they have a great selection of world movies. They were the first to pick up South Park in Australia 🤣
What's scary is they're not gonna lose many viewers even with these revelations. Can you imagine turning on the news, knowing the guy talking doesn't believe a word of what he's saying, and continuing to watch?
yep, they'll believe what they want and disregard the rest... they have been doing it their whole lives.
Short answer...NO!
I say this often. A dog can get more useful information by sniffing another dog's butt for 30 seconds, than a Viewer can get watching Fox news all day.
Two thoughts:
1. Who is going to tell them what they are listening to is lies? Fox News isn't going to self report itself. Its what needs to happen but it won't.
2. These people want their news source to tell them what they want to hear, which is the dilemna fox news is facing. It can't keep lying without repercussion because it will get sued, but it can't stop lying or the people it created will go to a news network that will. We drive these people farther and farther down the rabbit hole because they've hooked them on social crack.
That is what I fear. I hope the other stations really raise up their reporting to save this democracy.
there is no accountability and they get away with it because the money is coming in.
I have learned never to click on a station I do not want to support. I can hear the stupid things they say from other stations.
Shame is only effective when there are consequences, otherwise there is no reason to experience it. Fox needs to experience meaningful consequences for its lies
I suggest the stockade being brought back to acceptable punishments and set them up in Times Square. Murdock, Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham & O’Reilly (if he’s still alive).
Shame can only be self-applied. The fox spokesmodels are sociopaths, and therefore immune to shame.
The consequences must apply to the individuals, not just the corporations.
@@kayzyr9442 Why not both?
@@kayzyr9442 there are lawsuits against fox news as a whole as well as individual hosts.
"If a date rape drug had a face, it's Tucker Carlson..." Truer words have never been spoken.
I almost choked on my coffee when he said that. So spot-on.
That's why Jon is where he is. He's f-ing brilliant.
Huh?
I still think Oliver's definition is better: a human boat shoe.
I could listen to Stewart and Oliver riff on Tucker Carlson for 30 minutes.
his family invented Swanson tv dinner. look at the ingredients. tells you a lot about Tucker.
To me, it's fear. They are creating fear. It's a powerful emotion that can build and logic is thrown out the window.
This idea is frightening and so I subbed to your channel in case you wanted to sell me anything I can use to protect myself from those villians.
agree... and the left fear mongers sometimes too... it's so annoying ... and rage/anger... that is very profitable as well...
With malice aforethought they craft and create fear out of nothing to drive their viewers in divisive directions they've chosen for the most harm to US all. Yup.
@@laurencrouse2418 100%
@@laurencrouse2418 Yeah, like the fear of air/water/soil pollution, exhausting our limited resource with reckless abandon and letting mentally unstable people own firearms.
Because this is what happens when you refuse to admit you're wrong
It's what happens when your followers are 🧠 dead.
ThFully understand what youre saying, and that matters to people who have a conscious based in morality. With them there is no need to "admit" wrongdoing when they're well aware that what they're doing is wrong, but it doesn't matter in relation to their twisted ethics (or lack thereof). They know they're wrong from the time they set the strategy.
Why admit you are wrong, when you have a base of supporters willing to continue you to buy your snake oil even after its poisoned their children 3 times.
Well its less about admiting wrong and more about gaming psychology for material gain. They know they are wrong, they won't /publically/ admit it because it hurts their profit line. When these people are under oath they admit its all lies, because lying would be drastically against their profit line in that case.
Essentially they have taken Hitler's playbook of 'tell a lie and keeping telling that lie until people think its the truth' and just ran with it. The unfortunate part for fox news is that they've come to this crossroads where if they keep lying they get sued but keep the audience, but if they stop lying they lose the audience and dont get sued. They've dug their own grave, and common sense and courtesy warned them all along.
Its been long enough of a time that people have forgotten the reasons why things are sins, rather than them just being sins. The why is so much more important. In this case they've fallen into the greed pit, and they were warned not to.
@@Khronogi very well thought out and explained. Thank you.
We honestly owe you a great debt, Jon, for fighting this fight so passionately and for so long. You've made a difference.
Indeed! +1 . .
You are so right Jon…and people have fallen for it for years 😢
Fox News "believes" what they tell their viewers, the same way I "believe" in Santa Claus for my kids.
It's absolutely intentional.
Yes! And the lawsuit filed by Dominion contains the transcripts, video clips, emails and text messages of communications within the company, proving this!
@@cherylj7460 The argument goes something like this: "Go ahead. Publish them. Tell everyone. Most people in our demographic who could possibly care will probably be dead soon and more senile tune into Fox every year. Anything that goes to court will be slapped with a gag and settling means signing an NDA. Chances are they won't care no matter what because the politically motivated philosophy which compels people to doubt the legitimacy of vote-counts is an effective policy"
Shhh your kids are going to sue you
Except Santa is a sweet jolly guy who gives presents and the gifts Fox gives us all are hate and division.
Except Fox admitted that they never believed the election lie under oath, but continued to sell it every night.
As a South African I am extremely fascinated by American politics and became more so during the 2020 lockdowns...better than any TV series. It was then that I discovered Rupert Murdoch's FOX News. At first I did not realise that they were an actual real news network reporting on current events. I honestly thought that they were a Comedy Central type of network. Then I was disgusted by them, their politics and style of reporting because I saw parallels between them and the Rwandan media during the Rwandan genocide. The Hutu's used the media as a propaganda tool to spread fear, hatred and dehumanise people. How is FOX news any different? Many of the journalists, dj's, people, etc who spread this propaganda were charged for war crimes and have been punished for it. Will the same happen with the Rupert Murdoch's, Tucker Carlson's, Sean Hannity's, Laura Ingram, etc of America and/or FOX news? Or will they be treated differently because they are not African. I wonder......
I would love o see them prosecuted -- for one thing, they killed a lot of viewers with their Covid disinformation. And have caused more deaths and violence with election disinformation.
Thanks for your story, an interesting perspective.
There is a documentary “Outfoxed” that I watched here at university in New Zealand, mind blown. Having seen that several years ago nothing about Fox surprises me anymore. You are right complete propaganda and a lot of US democracy is a fallacy. Africa just more honest about it!
Brilliant commentary and very real and scary analogy of the USA situation to Rwanda pre-uprising/Genocide.
About 10 or 15 years ago PBS had a reporter do a story on that very thing, the dehumanization, the words that kill. I can't remember the man's name, but it was very scary. FOX does seem to be learning from history's worst atrocities and trying to replicate them.
@Savior Money Saying that "MSNBC, CNN, etc... ARE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE" is totally deranged. Either you have cognitive impairment or you're totally blind folded by radical right wing politics.
" one of their greatest strengths is lack of shame" BEAUTIFULLY said. I've been frustrated by this reality for years and the only way to beat them is with humor. They have none and it kills them. Don't get mad, get even.🤣🤣🤣
That's how we get an unironically George Santos
John Oliver to Tucker Carlson: 'Go f**k yourself, you human boat shoe.'
Excellent reference calling him an angry boat shoe. Loved it.
I don't know. I kind of like boat shoes. But very preppy, which is probably what JO was referring to.
I lie when he said he looked like if the sound "thud" had a face lol or when he called him a preformative wedge salad lol
Jon, what can we do about it. My neighbors of 32 years are our good friends. We talk politics and they watch FOX. They agree with us on politics, they know the damage that republicans want to do to this country and they're both on social security and Medicare. Just when we think we've made a break through with them, they still vote for republicans. It's NUTS and so frustrating.
I've been trying to comprehend what's going on with that myself.
The same intelligent republicans who hate Trump, will still vote for him over Biden.
I just don't get how Biden is that much of a boogey man for them.
Maybe it's because the Democrats want public housing in every neighborhood, they're obsessed with racial equity and believe kids should be able to cut off their genitals, they want top down Federal control of everything, they use every emergency to centralize more Federal power, they are eager to give up our sovereignty to organizations like the WHO, they want to disarm the population and re write the second amendment, they want to add caveats to the first amendment with hate speech laws, they want the government to solve every problem at the highest level possible. Or maybe it's just because Democrats fundamentally misunderstand human nature.
@@parkertufts5251 I'm glad my neighbors aren't brain washed like you. You're spouting off republican talking points without giving any actual facts to back it up. Show me actual bills that have been written to do all the things you're claiming the democrats want to do. Then I'll check them out and we can have a discussion.
@@Shari466 The most recent Supreme Court Justice was chosen from a list of exclusively black women. The phrase "trans- kids" and their right to "care" are taken seriously by Democrats.
@@Shari466 Do you believe people have the right to bear arms? Do you believe that there is no such thing as hate-speech? I doubt it
This needs to be made into a Netflix special to get the word around!
That’s the only way. SMH
I saw a great netflix show on the essure device that they FDA hurt many woman by approving it. They were laughing like fools. The doctors were not trained and women were badly hurt. There was also a story on a man with MS who was trying to get treatment and the powers that be were preventing things that could help. So any format that gives education to the young people would be helpful. The whole waiting for prosecution of Donald Trump's crimes is like a soap opera. I knew he was guilty on January 7th, but it has gone like the speed of a soap opera. You can skip watching for three years, and pick up right where you left off. That is so discouraging. I hate soap operas and reality TV. I am 76, I hate most TV. I am always looking for something funny. Jon you have a gift. I have always liked your shows. You remind me of my nephew. He is funny too. Not a lot to laugh about these days.
There is no way there's not a script getting thrown around out there right now.
Now that Graham Hancock got to make an entire series about his bat shit, pseudo archeological conspiracy theory, I'm not sure Netflix has the best relationship with the truth at this point.
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 Fair enough.
"tucker is a terrible person" couldn't agree more
That is such a nice way to phrase what the rest of us are thinking in far, far less polite terms.
That's a super nice way of putting it.
These people are probably the closest thing to our modern day evil that are allowed to walk freely among us.
Laura, Sean, the Wine Lady. They're all terrible humans. Oh. Add Rupert Murdoch to the front of that list
he is one of the only people with courage who speaks out against regiem change, wars, and the military industrial complex. His voice is so important while everyone else sends their goons out on the sunday shows to tell us how crazy putin is and that we should be sending all our money to ukraine where it is laundereed back into the DNC coffers, he is exposing these people for the war mongering scumbags they truely are. i understand fox news is probably a bit over your head if your not someone who has an understanding of how our political system works but if you arent insecure or terrified to have your views challeneged and would occasionally like to hear something other than the same barrage of White house talking points every single day tucker is a great show to watch. it would be great to have john stewart and tucker have a conversation together since john is so enlightened and virtuous.
Tucker being a man searching for justifications for the evils in his own heart comment was so fkn spot on. That's the blank look Tucker has after he asks one of his questions to the camera.
Yes, that blank, semi crossed-eye stare, as he squeaks out those leading questions he’s “just asking”. 🤨
Hahaha! Semi cross-eyed stare! Omg. So true! 😄
There is no conscience their. PUtin has no conscience. I could name twenty Congressmen that have no sign of a conscience. It is horrifying. Not only do they hurt other people, but they have a totally wasted life. They will end up lonely and lost, but also still mean as hell.
My question is where can a bitch get a damn chicken sandwich for showing atlas where he was supposed to be sitting the whole time???
blank stares from a vacant mind
Thanks for making me laugh. I actually watched fox through the Iraq run up. One day it hit me that the whole channel was bull shock and awe. Thanks for shining on light on it and calling it out.
funn you say that i was watching msnbc and i thought the same after these examples:
the 2 years of running the russia collusion hoax. (They can use the hidden camera video that project veritas got of van jones saying that the whole russia collusion narritive was a big nothing burger and there was nothing behind it. )
the whole kyle ritten house vigilanti thing,
the BP whipping migrants thing,
the russian bounty on american soldiers thing,
the joe rogan ivermechten thing,
calling jan 6th an inssurection,
saying the lableak was a conspiracy,
the trump injecting bleach thing,
the very fine people on both sides hoax,
Claiming it was the russians who hacked and leaked the DNC server,
the ukraine impeachment hoax,
the judge kavanaugh sexual assualt hoax,
reporting hunter bidens laptop was just russian disinformation,
claiming that the durham investigation found nothing when it found loads of misconduct by the FBI and other agencies, it was one of the biggest scandles in modern history.
Fake elector hoax,
i could go on and on and on and on.
Fox had reported accurately on everything above and still today is one of the best sources of news.
Shit be crazy lol.
Wish the people in government were half as smart as Jon
ditto
They are. Difference is John cares about people.
Some of them were at an anti war rally this past Sunday. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul to name a few. Too bad Jon didn't cover it. Fox news did briefly with Tara Reade. Shit be crazy alright.
A lot of them are smart. They just use their intelligence for pushing BS narratives.
A lot of them are. The unfortunate part is that they aren't in charge or don't have the charisma to change public opinion.
Listening to Jays comments is both incredibly entertaining and refreshing. Weird how we need someone that is funny to tell us things we should know
"He is the angriest looking boat shoe I've ever seen." perfection.
For as many times Fox News uses the defense of “we are just providing entertainment, people shouldn’t take what we say as truth” they should change their title to Fox Entertainment because that’s what they claim to provide, entertainment.
Agreed, and I hope they will be made to do so in court, because they themselves have argued that they're not news ("no one with any sense would believe this")
Many have tried to take on the Murdochs and many have failed. It’s been over a hundred years here in Australia. The horror.
Last year I called my 98 year old Great Aunt on her birthday. She asked where I was. I said Philly. She launched into all the election conspiracy theories and said I was a disappointment for being a democrat. "your grandfather would be rolling in his grave". That was my last conversation with her. Fox news was on 24/7 at her place. I can't really express how frustrating it is. That bell they return from commercial with is literal pavlov conditioning. with the threatening tombstone bell. Blah.
Don't worry. Your Great Aunt hates your guts anyway and she's leaving you nothing in her will.
@@user-hm5zb1qn6g correct, she had to pay 3500 a week for home health aides. She died broke
@@mattcoombs2697 Tough break for you, I guess.
The minds of these men are spectacular! What a discussion-- completely unscripted and arriving at brilliant realizations effortlessly. Unreal.
I love the bodega metaphor. It is spot on. And Jon's extension of the metaphor is apt too, instead heroin would be the wine product's sugar content, since there are now so many known links between sugar and addictive behavior.
I love using the nuances of alcohol distillation as a comparison in word parsing technologee lag alert. ❤ feed me waaaa lag alert I fed mammal on aisle one
It does highlight a problem with the stupid among us, who have no ability to question the people at Fox News with any critical reasoning.
It's not that they can't It's that they don't want to. Fox tells them lies that confirm what they want to hear.
Fox news is an exercise in corralling and aiming the stupid. The stupid will always be with us and they will always be dangerous, especially when unscrupulous demagogues can get messages of grievance to them.
Oh, the irony....
Remove "Fox News" and insert "the Federal government, the WHO, the UN, the FBI, former intelligence officers, CNN, and MSNBC."
@@parkertufts5251 It's actually been scientifically tested and shown that people who listen to Fox News know less about whats actually going on than people who don't watch any news source.
Fox News is propaganda and BS. And this lawsuit with the texts and email chains proves Fox News knows it's bullshit.
Why do you keep believing in fox news when they themselves have told you they are lying to you?
In the book 'The Wonderful Wizard of Oz' The Emerald City is a regular city - but to enter, you had to put on emerald glasses so you 'wouldn't be blinded by the splendor'.
Funny, That was what this society feels like today. Looking for the great oz who has nothing to offer. I feel like I live in a foreign country since Donald Trump was elected. There is no place like home.
@@Jess-kz2wn "Home" is a bleak, grey, dry place of love withheld and concern repressed in the book. There is, in fact, NO PLACE even remotely like home. No where - Erewhon. You can not go home again - home is no more
Jon Stewart you nailed it AGAIN. Thank you for reality. Scary as it is.
Brill comment on Tucker - “He’s more charcuterie board than man” and Fox News as “news product” in awesomely hilarious wine analogy!
"Behind the scenes they're talking about Black History month" bahahahaha
"They are what we knew they were"
McCarthy and Carlson are teeing up the next 1/6 lie-a-thon even in the face of the Dominion lawsuit..geez
I could listen to these guys back and forth all day.
The problem with 'how am I gonna get away with this' is they searched for and found an answer
They found _people_ and brought 'em into the fold. Fox - Murdoch - gathered previously succesful shysters - 'influencers' on the radio or local TV - and gave them a toybox to go ham and maximize cultiness.
The wine product analogy reminds me of the old jingle for Chiffon Margarine: "If you think it's butter, but it's not, it's Chiffon."
I can't believe it's not -butter!- No, actually, it's total baloney!
I loved that analogy.
It's disgusting to see hypocrisy up close.
They're only in business to make money, so costing them big money is the worst pain possible
Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Fox News.
Underrated statement.
Just as Ailes wanted it.
Indeed
Damn John nailed it. The only change at Fox will be an end to their paper trail.
Yep
When Jon leans in in the split screen, it's fully like I'm on FaceTime with my grandpa.
I cancelled Fox News back in the late 90's and I finally got sick of mainstream media for exactly the reasons you all stated. I cut my cable in 2017 and seek out news sources on my own. For once, I' feel like I am ahead of the world. LOL
👍❤️…. What a delight to listen to you guys….one major reason is that you bring up all these evident facts under a nice dose of humor… thank you 🇫🇷🇺🇸
"Angriest looking boat shoe" love it
"I didn't see a single happy black history month" has me on the floor. Hilarious beginning to a thoughtful episode
[Cucker Tarlson]"is the angriest looking boat shoe," is the best thing I've heard him called, hands down! Absolute gold here from the "Wizard of Oz" and bodega "wine product" analogies to Jon being Jon. Thank you for these needed moments during these dystopian times. 💜♾️
I love Jon Stewart's giggle. No, scratch that, I love the giggles of all these guys.
Loved every minute of this♡ I want more!
Lack of shame and LACK OF EMPATHY, HUMANITY, MORAL COMPASS, CONSCIENCE, etc.
Robby, your description of buying wine at a bodega and Fox news was the BEST! That example cleared the fog! Fox News should be required to move down to Canal Street.....then, they can say whatever they want, but the customer will KNOW it's FAuX-news! Love you guys!
Change name to: Faux Knews
Love the intellectual level of conversation!!
LOL Midwit hour!
@@stirfrybry1 What makes you say that?
Half of it is curse words. They're obsessed with the right and Tucker. More than anything, they think more about Trump than Trumpers. What's the saying? Oh, "Small minds discuss other people. Great minds discuss ideas." Also, everything they say proves they only cherry-pick and have no idea what they're actually talking about, and are incredibly uninformed. These are just mean soy boys who are Narcissistic and love to hear themselves talk and feel self-important.
@hopecarlson1231 How can you claim they're "obsessed" when the topic immediately pertains to Tuckey Swanson and Fox "Our lawyers argue in court that no reasonable person would believe we're" News? This revelation proves just how dishonest and corrupt the most popular conservative cable "News" show is, and how severed from reality their base has to be in order for the republican party to remain in any type of power. And it's weird you'd point out swearing as a negative when pissing off liberals is the fundamental drive of the right-wing like little Tuckey Swanson.
I was just talking about Fox having confirmed my worst suspicions yesterday...while my friend sounded like a nut, since he started talking about "both sides". I suppose I will take a moment to determine whether it is as bad as it seems.
Sounds like a positive to me, both sides _are_ fallible.
@@apexnext For any particular issue it is rarely the case that there are only two sides. Worst, it is rarely the case that the various perspectives are equal, since the adjudicating factor is about what is valued by the individual and often hoped and/or assumed in varying degrees that such value is actually shared.
However, if it is the case that one has little value of the concerns entailed in the details of the various perspectives then I can see why there would be a dismissal of whatever point being raised (or at least that is how whataboutism resonates), since the point entails a declaration of concern(s) which is rarely exhaustive, but is the point being expressed at a given moment.
I do hold many points of value with regard to myself and society as a hold (and more) which I find various issues to be a direct assault. The systemic lying presented by Fox being one of the more dangerous of assaults. The danger is multifaceted. However, I will give you the highlights since ideally you don't see the gravity of the concerns in play as opposed to simply not caring.
The idea of a democracy requires various levels of trust of the various institutions. The actions of Fox erodes trust which has the potential to cascade into dismantling trust over the the journalistic field. The moment the public has no trust of the various institutions, the public also ceases to advance, since they will be subject to the acceptance of all sorts of nonsense.
Everyone of us has what I would consider a fairly narrow pool of knowledge. Generally an individual can have a broad swath of understanding but little depth or great depth but rather narrow overall understanding, since each requires a fair amount of time. Thus, we must trust in what is being presented from a wide variety of others due to simply not having such knowledge personally.
The moment one is effectively in a constant state of distrust, one is also open to accepting all sorts of fringe nonsense that happens to resonate with whatever knowledge pool one happens to have.
It will always be the case that there are disagreements, but the idea that there is systemic activity to deceive, the whole idea of honest engagement goes up in smoke as well as dismissing the idea of civil society, since the idea of dishonest actors can quickly degenerate into violence and/or more deception causing more decay insofar as how I view such as state. I will grant that there are some who would quite pleased with the disintegration of society and the country as a whole. I would not be.
My review of my friend is to determine exactly what he means/understands, since I get the sense that he doesn't understand the gravity of the various issues as I see them and the question is whether it is a issue of him not seeing it or not caring about it.
Bravo Gents for speaking what needs to be spoken
"News product." Brilliant!
I totally agree. This shit is getting dangerous.
Wonderful Netflix documentary.
That is probably already on the way.
Watching faux news fall is pure gold.
It would be pure gold.
I know that Jon is not new to this, but I am a lot older than him, and I am so happy to finally be joined in this life long battle against "the dark side" by some young 'uns! Welcome aboard!
Thank God we have ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc to give us the truth & show us the light.
And late night Colbert with Executive Producer Jon Stewart.
@@totorosghost yes, what would we do without them? I wonder what Jon thinks about Zelensky's pals at BlackRock & Goldman Sachs. Does that make him even more courageous?
@@ioncewasmikey Maybe bro larry knows. he used to work for nyse
PBS is about all I can watch. 😂
To the commenter who trusts PBS: Review its list if contributors. It may undermine that trust.
The combo of these three is my fav for the podcast 🎉
Jon you have that loyal audience too. Run for President and right this ship. It's your civic duty.
He would be better and more powerful in the senate! Senate leader Jon Stewart! :D
He's much better where he is, he's brilliant at what he's doing, and has large influence this way. Possibly more than in Senate.
I’m just finishing this book by Anand Giridharadas called “The Persuaders.” It is a perfect fit for this conversation.
The notion that private discussions between talent will be held offline at Fox is spot on. If I had to guess, that directive will come from ‘in person’ meetings one on one with the heads there.
At Fox, their actual news side is conservative news. It’s their opinion hosts that break into the far right lunacy, but sadly it’s what people watch most on that channel.
Great Segment! Thanks!
So much fun! TY Jon and friends
I mean they wouldn’t let Murdoch own a media outlet in Australia. So…what did we expect again? It’s evident the Australian government saw something as a red flag that we thought was…what again?
Same thing with the UK. How did they get rid of him.
I ❤ Jon Stewart!!!! He’s the best 😍😍😍😍
Jon's "I told you so" face is priceless
Hear Hear . Justice Matters
This is already coming to fruition in New Hampshire. A small cadre is in the process of destabilizing local and state government institutions with the goal of secession.
Heard on NPR just last evening
You guys do the best real no bullshit analysis going. And I always get some laughs which are really needed
Smart and funny conversation. ❤
Agreed, they won’t change their ways, they just will no longer document anything. It’ll all be unrecorded verbal meetings in rooms scanned for any recording devices, and nobody will ever be able to take their phone into a meeting etc.
Yes! Thank you Jon! 🙏👍
I love these chats Jon!!
"If a date rape drug had a face". Man! That cuts deep!
Love you John!
Jon Stewart 👍💪👏
I like this episode, but I wish they’d discuss more of a strategy on how this can be combated, or have we already given up?
We're 100% fucked.
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Bring back the fairness doctrine. Fucker Carlson's clockwork brain couldn't cope with the counter-argument.
@@apexnext We aren't fucked, thats nihilism.
That's what I keep hoping. We know the bullshit. How do we wake up the Trumpers? How can we explain and expose the lies so that everyone will be clear about what is happening and what needs to be done?
Yes, they have no sense of shame (they also have no sense of humor), but what amazes me, really, is how professional and proficient they are at projection. I don't understand how they got to be so good at that. Newt Gingrich wrote the book, literally wrote the MAGA manual. But they've gotten so much better at it over the years.
It is what he does with his power... Right there ... Great show.
I am so happy to be validated by Jon Stewart. I have been screaming about the consolidation of power for so long, that I have actually given up on 'facts'.
Your Honor, we are gonna invoke the Brett Kavanaugh defense. 'My guys were just drunk, they just really like beer'.
Re-listen to the Noam Chomsky lectures, he predicted this dystopian media situation.
The main critique of Noam is that he's always wrong and that's why nobody has him as a pundit on tv: Everyone who might spit some spin on the circus isn't even wrong.
The idea of a News Hall of Fame cracked me up. Edward R. Murrow . . . Walter Cronkite . . . Tucker Carlson.
I miss Walter Cronkite. I watched all the Watergate hearings. I had a baby at the time. They all treated each other with such respect. The guilty and the innicent spoke in a respectful manner. I am old, and I miss those days. Although the news back, then was awful. The racism awareness, the assasinations, the Vietnam War, ---much like to today. People were all worked up and problems were everywhere. The news media had a different tone, though.
@@Jess-kz2wn Yes. That was before news media was bought out and aggregated by huge corporations like Sinclair and the Murdoch boys. Walter Cronkite talks a lot about that change in the last third of his autobiography; if this interests you, I recommend it. He was a star but saw the writing on the wall: a few stars making lots of money, so they'd ally with the wealthy class. Corporate heads starting to tell news casters what they could say. More commentary, less investigation. Crappy pay for news workers that weren't stars.
is this my favorite trio again!? i think it is! love this group of guys! always a good one
Lack of SHAME is the essence of right-wing politics.
John's reference to the Republicans as the equivalent of wrestling fans slays me.
I have always understood what Fox Goebbels News is.
If your parents helped get you into a school, how do you not feel like a failure? Even your parents are saying, " they aren't smart, but can you ignore the stupidity if we purchase a new track turf?"
I think it'll work itself out if we stop thinking that graduating from those schools is some accomplishment and think that everyone from those schools is a shitbag who doesn't know what they are talking about. Then the school isn't worth anything anymore.
"the angriest looking boat shoe I've ever seen" 🤣👌👌👌
Thank Buddha for ur presence and insights, Jon!
Everything Jon says sounds like a closing argument.