Also, is such a normal nuanced conversation about a complex subject. They did talked about her background. Is just not a topic you'll exhaust completely after a few days of 2h of conversations.
This episodes made me fall in love with Garrett & Taylor so much more. Like not only seeing their fun & joking side and how they match each others humor but also when they get serious and talk about this entire experience. They're just so realistic about it, which is what you should be in order to actually make this work. I really hope they work out. I'm rooting for them the most.
I think the military conversation should have started in the pods. If this is somehow a dealbreaker for him, he shouldn't be investing in this relationships. Because she had a chance to bulit relationship with the other guy. Either you can accept her past and her believes or don't get into this relationship.
Reading and watching this makes me feel like he wasted her time if this was such a hard line for him. She talked about military service so much in the pods, but not once did he bring how he felt in terms of this hard line to her during the pods. I really think it was because of the competition he had. He put up a mask on that just enough to get chosen.
Yes!!!!! I say this as someone who live in a country that had a dictatorship for almost 30 years, it is a deal breaker to me, and I was kinda shocked that he just brushed off, like she talked A LOT about it, it's kinda her whole personality so I really don't understand what he expected.
I think the issue with the military service conversation is that they’re not getting anywhere because Ramses is discussing morality/ethics/politics/philosophy and Marissa is discussing her personal experience and decision making. They’re just not having the same conversation, so there’s no way to really see the other person’s perspective. They probably shouldn’t have chosen each other in the pods, but I’m so glad to see Ramses’ anti-imperialism perspective on reality tv. I’m almost shocked Netflix kept so much of it in.
ramses is from venezuela. and being from countries in latin america or certain countries is the east, we have a different perspective in regards to us military. that said, i wouldn't even be able to be in a relationship with someone who's been in the military, it's too controversial. the same way i would never be able to say "thank you for your service" if your service was killing and oppressing my people.
I thought I must have misremembered him saying that. I totally agree and understand his perspective, but it’s bizarre that he got engaged to her and said thank you for your service.
100% agree. Me, personally, I wouldn't date or even be close friends with anyone in the military or any of its iterations. We can disagree on pizza toppings, not in ideologies. But Ramses did get into this situation on his own. If it's so much of a hard pass, why waste her time?
Yet, Ramses resides in America. Conflicting and/or hypocritical. Reminds me of that court scene in A Few Good Men... "...questions the manner in which I provide it..."
@@ask_why000 so you're saying that everyone that lives in the us has to agree with the us military? sounds like a dictatorship to me lol. also, what does the us government provide? free healthcare, free higher education, fair labor laws? in the mean time, many of the countries that are trying to provide those kinds of things end up not being able to fully do that, because of us imperialism, so...
Yes, as a Brazilian I would't even have kept talking in the pods with someone who served in the military, I feel like he kinda wasted her time just to "win" the love triangle "battle"
My husband was playing in a playground in Afghanistan when the us dropped a bomb. His 5&7 year old cousins were killed, his other cousin was permanently disabled and he still has shrapnel stuck in his body. They were called collateral damage. This is the reality for people who have survived war. I don’t want to hear about people being unapologetic for their service when they are literal murderers.
I can see where Ramses is coming from for sure but I think he’s not being as delicate when he knew going into the relationship the military was a big part of her life and if now sounds like it’s a potential deal breaker, active service or not that shit changes someone and is usually a very foundational part of a person wether good or bad. I don’t think she shied away from her service and she definitely talks about it in an overall positive way, even talking about how her physical type in men has been shaped by that. It ends up feeling like he’s debating her instead of talking to her and it’s something that is very nuanced and she is clearly in a much better position to understand than him. Idk if he’s being understanding considering he could have foreseen this and should have been more upfront about his feelings towards the military in the pods, I wonder if he stayed quiet knowing that Bhodan is also ex military and there was competition there.
I think the military conversation, like he knew she was in the mili, but hearing her say I don’t regret it, I am not ashamed if it, I am proud of my service, I would talk to my kids about it, etc.. I think these are the things that had him pull away. I understand the circumstances that put underprivileged people in the military, believe me, I am from a Mexican family in an extremely impoverished area and tons of my family have gone and died in the military, but this doesn’t negate the harm of the military industrial complex.. And here you have an individual saying they are proud of it.. Put it in the context if today.. imagine an IDF soldier talking to a Palestinian and look them in the eye and saying they are not ashamed of, do not regret, and are proud if their service.. That is essentially Marissa, a us soldier, talking to Ramses, a man who came from Venezuela, and saying I am proud of this.
I feel like she talked a lot in the pods about both her participation in the military and her relationship with the military. At least from a viewers perspective it was obvious that it was a significant part her her identity. I don't understand how this wasn't a conversation topic that came up during one of their pod dates. I think this season especially highlights how so many of the people on this show overlook certain things because they want to get married so bad too the point where they overlook core values. A lot of these couples say yes to whoever is the best match out of the small sample of people in the pods rather than accepting that their person was not the "experiment" and going home single. I have the most faith in Garret and Taylor, I think the fact that in the pods they came across as boring and analytical was because they both were trying to see if their core values align and now that they are out the pods they are just enjoying being together which is why we are seeing more of their personalities. ( if this doesn't make any sense I wrote this really quickly while studying for my Audit exam). I love your videos BTW
I served 25 years in the Canadian military, where you sign up voluntarily. My views on things changed drastically from 21 to 46yrs old. My military experience was more than a job for me and it helped me understand the world better. Although I remain proud of my service, I can totally understand how people coming from countries where the military is intertwined with a dictatorship political regime can have opposing views.
“Although i remain proud of my service...” that is what Ramses doesn’t want to hear and that is what is fucked. He wants her to be ashamed of it. That is unacceptable. Really pissed me off. Imagine being with a partner and you cannot express any nostalgia for the good parts of something that was so important and formative and integral to who you are.
@@PrincessToad If you are talking dictatorships in other countries, families were already being destroyed, at least on the conversations I have had with people who come from countries with horrible dictatorships.
Re Tyler, it’s concerning me that people are more offended by the “complicated” kids situation that the fact that he’s a thief and a con artist. The kids they could figure out, the several cases against him for not paying back money, quitting jobs to avoid paying back settlements etc. is actually insane. His debts will be Ashley’s once they are married and she doesn’t deserve that.
I absolutely loved your conversation on the army, as a non American your whole society is kind of brainwashed but the army experience is so engrained into family and societal life in a unique way over there. It’s beautiful to question ethics and have a shift in the narrative. We have a completely different outlook in our country with respect to the army. “I don’t support the troops” is such strange word play divisive and deflects the governments accountability. Also Gosh you guys are in for a surprise when you watch the next episode.
I so loved that last convo. Dare I say the best in LIB history for me. No joke. It was so real, authentic, messy and topical. It’s probably a discussion that’s happening w/ families/ loved ones right now because of everything going on in the world. Kudos to the couple everyone seems to think is just surface level (not me)talking about the hard stuff. Idk it seems like they agree more than they think on the topic and the language Marissa uses makes me feel like her perspective on it is evolving.🤷🏽♀️
Here are my thoughts on the military conversation between Marissa and Ramses... let's think back to the pods, Marissa talked about the military and her service A LOT! If Ramses is sooo anti-military, why in the bejeebers would you pick someone that was formerly in the military!? I'm so confused! He literally got divorced because him and his now ex-wife did not see eye to eye on the whole christianity belief system... so why in the hell are you getting engaged to someone who has participated in something that you have such moral opposition towards!? If this is a moral core value for him, why did he look past it in the pods?! And what is crazy is I'm on the same page as him in regards to my thoughts on war and power, but I also understand where she is coming from! The fact that now he's voicing his distain for her military service is so irresponsible, imo, and I feel bad for Marissa that he is projecting shame on her for serving. I swear this season of LIB is giving me whiplash😂
Thank you! His views I totally get. BUT totally unreasonable when "voluntarily" getting into a relationship with a woman whose been involved in the military since she was 2 years old and 8 years served. Like? You signed up for it here sir.... Passing judgment on people as harshly as you do a system then why get involved with that person. Setting someone up for unnecessary heartbreak. Like I don't fault her on not seeing it would be a deal breaker because she talked so much on it and most people are just neutral enough to not care she is ex military. Why is he NOW expressing to her such hard lines? Was it because he had competition and he didn't want to diminish his chances...🤔
Because she never said she would go back. That's not even an issue. In fact, he said he was unsure about her due to her military background and the other guy she eas interested in also being military. She said all her exes were and was horrible, and how she wanted something different,. They bonded over progressive values. They chose each other because of that. That conversation was a very normal nuanced discussion about a complex subject. They're clashing over the moral justification.
I think the military conversation, like he knew she was in the mili, but hearing her say I don’t regret it, I am not ashamed if it, I am proud of my service, I would talk to my kids about it, etc.. I think these are the things that had him pull away. I understand the circumstances that put underprivileged people in the military, believe me, I am from a Mexican family in an extremely impoverished area and tons of my family have gone and died in the military, but this doesn’t negate the harm of the military industrial complex.. And here you have an individual saying they are proud of it.. Put it in the context if today.. imagine an IDF soldier talking to a Palestinian and look them in the eye and saying they are not ashamed of, do not regret, and are proud if their service.. That is essentially Marissa, a us soldier, talking to Ramses, a man who came from Venezuela, and saying I am proud of this.
I’m a current AD spouse of over 22 years. I used to be very patriotic and loved being a military spouse. However, the military wronged my family and I think it’s all a bunch of crap now. It’s all about “families” 🙄 Wrong. The cheating that happens during deployments (both at sea and land), especially with prostitutes is SICKENING. And the men have a bro code so they don’t tell the spouses. I would have never imagined that would touch my life, but due to a hard deployment where the military gave zero support for my spouses mental health, (in fact he felt threatened to even admit he was depressed because that would hurt his career) he made a horrible choice. I have zero pride at this point. I view it all with skepticism. It’s been 3 years and the damage it did to my kids and I is horrible.
I am so sorry that happened to you and your family. I have heard stories of men being pressured/threatened if they do not have sex with sex workers in the military so I understand your anger at the military in this situation.
So I’m in the reserves (also in the DMV) and have had the same internal struggle that she does (and liberal); however, I think the biggest part that is missing from their convo is the socioeconomic aspect of why a certain group joins. I joined for the college money, and typically the people who sign up do for a better future i.e middle and lower class. While it’s voluntary, it’s a way out for a lot of people in tough situations. Also she seems open to joining the reserves in the future (even tho she didn’t like it a couple years back) which like, the camaraderie is a gaping whole when you get out and that would be something he could never understand but would be his redline so I just don’t see them getting over that if she wanted to in the future.
These things are true, but these last episodes also show her for being someone that has it a lot more together than Nick does despite being unemployed. I wish she would just break up with Nick bc she clearly was disappointed by his appearance in the reveal and she’s been holding that against him. Nick seems so far from being ready to be in a steady relationship let alone a marriage, which makes me suspicious about his real intentions to be on the show. Couldn’t believe he suggested to Hannah that they moved in to his parents’ basement after they get married 😅
@@rosabellef3582 regardless of how Nick is-Hannah chose him. Also she was mean out of the gate before she knew his living situation. There is a way that she can express her disappointment without talking to him like he is less than human. Just because Nick isn’t ready doesn’t mean he should be treated without respect. They both have reasons to break up with each other.
Pod Host: (Regarding Steph and Monica) “What’s going on?!!… why is she being so hard on him? …”So far he doesn’t seem like a bad dude” Me: “You’ll see” 🍿🍿😂😂
I am in no way excusing the behavior of Steph coming later (without spoilers), but Monica has been treating him like a child, with an air of superiority.
@@catherinederi8490 so seeing how he acts later, would it not make sense that there is stuff we haven't seen about how he is acting during these earlier episodes which is leading to how she is acting?
@@catherinederi8490100%. She has been a bitch and i take nothing back knowing what i know. In fact, i daresay he orchestrated it all to have an out haha
@@sherriromas5871i thought the same of Hannah tbh. That said, better to just leave than stay and be disdainful and contemptuous of people you’re sleeping with.
You are right. He was on a few podcasts and told Ashley early on but producers wanted to keep the single unattached dude narrative and they re-filmed alot of scenes and theur convos were spliced with earlier ones and edited together. 😢😮 Either way its a complex situation.
I think a lot of people that are not from the US would feel the same as him, myself included. That being said, her speaking about it as much as she did in the pods would have been a clear indication to me that we don’t match well. I’m unsure why he went this far with her.
I dont get the audience saying they didn't talked about her military background. Yes, they did. He literally said he was unsure about her for that exact reason and because she was interested in a military guy. Her background is not an issue. Her going back would be. They're clashing over the the moral justification. Marissa said herself her exes were all military and it was horrible and how she wanted something different. They basically connected on progressive Values . I don't get why people are so taken aback by that conversation. She has a very normal complex relationship "i support the people but not the military". The subject wouldn't be exhausted completely after a few days of 2h of conversations.. The condom conversation was what completely took me out.
If you're completely against the military and judge people harshly who participate... why would you marry a woman who spent most of her live in the military? Make that make sense 😂
@@njanja5628yeah it’s clear she’s unlearning a lot of stuff and her relationship to that appears to be one. He probably thought he could educate her and get her to go further left. Plus he seems to really like her. Vice versa. Love makes you see past things/ expect the best out of the other person.
I'm not much of a flower type of girl... especially if store bought flowers, wildflowers would be my preference if I had to have flowers. I am more of a houseplant type of gal. Ramses knew a big part of Marissa's life was the military so it cannot be that big of an issue to him because he wanted her and proposed to her. Either he isn't taking this experiment seriously or he is ok with things. He wasn't forced to choose Marissa. They keep reminding me of Nicole & Ben from UK LIB. What is the story behind his two lil braids( ? ) he has, did he say and I missed it? I cannot with Stephen at any point of this series. Cringe every second. 100% Ick from almost the get go, said it in Ep2 comment. I keep seeing Seth Rogen and Tracee Ellis Ross when they are on camera. I need those 2 actors to spoof them now.😋
As someone with no connection to the US at all, I totally agree with basically everything Ramses said. I think because he’s from Venezuela, he sees a perspective that she doesn’t see. I’m curious to hear what other people who aren’t from the US think, because it all feels very patriotic to me
Same here, I am from a US colony and there are a lot of military people around my life, and whilst I don't make them my enemy when they are without uniform (metaphorically) once they put one on as far as i know they are here to coerce, repress and colonize me and mine.
He had valid points but he felt so dismissive of her. "well yeah but like you know what your getting into for when you sign up." Isn't as true as someone not in the military or around those who were thinks it is. Military propaganda, Brain washing, financial and familiar reasons, can all make you blind to the realities of how bad service can get. He can have his perspective (which is me saying that as someone who also has a lot of disgust for some of the actions in the military) without dismissing Marissa. The scoffing and clear discontempt was so disrespectful to a time in her life that means a lot to her
This was the best convo I’ve ever seen on reality tv as a leftist, Marxist, I won’t give away anything but I found his takes very aligned but had some potholes I think deconstructing your faith can make you have absolute binaries in the beginning and some self righteousness leftover from evangelical culture can make your progressive takes condescending- I smell that on R
That said with M I kind of am frustrated with her that she is attracted to R bc of his anti patriarchal ideology but seems to be surprised or taken aback by his throughline of deconstruction- If you’re deconstructing gender, class, and race which she is (you guys missed her Mormon deconstruction talk prior to military point) she should keep going to anti imperialism and anti carceral- he seems very much centered on blackness too and her too I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s pro defund the police or hold them accountable- the must be same for military. I just think they’re deconstruction journey mutually has dissonance and they’re not going all the way down the line to fully pull the strings from their conservative upbringings - granted, as someone who is still on that journey- it’s HARD
Hi military vet here! I found the conversation very interesting. I didn’t join the military because it seemed like a fun time. I joined because I had no other option. I was failing out of school and had no where to go. Most of my friends in the military also joined because they felt they had no other option. Not out of some patriotic reason. I am very anti war and I don’t support military operations. The military preys on the disadvantage to join. So I see his side but I also think he doesn’t understand that when you’ve hit rock bottom and have no where to go, the military can be a very beneficial place for people. I don’t regret joining, I had nothing else going for myself and now I am in a much better place. Would I join it again? Absolutely not. I have benefits for the rest of my life, I get paid disability, and I’m going to college for free. They aren’t getting anything from me ever again but I will continue to take from them what I deserved. Service members most of the time hate the military and all it stands for but having a job and free healthcare and free housing was what we were there for.
As a military spouse, he is putting the blame on the mailroom worker for the cooperate greed. And yes the military doesn't always do what is right or best but that dowsn't trickle down to the members. The people who make those decisions are often not even military. Exicution is military.
Honestly if I wanted to be with someone who was in the military I would have a similar conversation but I would understand her better because many people are, in a way, groomed into it like she was. She grew up around military! The government wants to incentivize that! So her having this growth while not hating the people is COMPLETELY valid, but I’m sure it hits harder for him because of where he was born and the effects on his people and WAY too many others. I just think that this might not work if he can’t have some understanding for her because she deserves some understanding at least.
You can definitely criticize the military and still be proud of your service and I don’t think anyone that didn’t share that experience can really understand or criticize your personal experience or view. The military overall sure, but you shouldn’t make someone who served feel morally inferior, it’s the same with police officers or any law enforcement. You can criticize the system, AND YOU SHOULD, but when you’ve been in that formative environment, of course you’ll have some positives and I’m sure you feel that pride of helping people right alongside the guilt of hurting people. As Americans we are generally conditioned to respect and be proud of the military and she’s clearly from a military family. Idk
But my thing is what did you do in your service that you’re proud of? What actions did you do and how did they affect other beings? What exactly are you proud of? I know those people aren’t in charge of decisions, but you knew that the actions you’ll perform will have consequences. IDK maybe it’s because I live in a part of the world where the us military has done some downright inhumane acts, but I find really hard to see how someone can be proud of their service.
it’s hard to state my viewpoint without spoilers… but I will try and say that I 100% stand/side with Ramses more, especially as a non-American, and although it may comes across judgmentally (the same case can be stated for the other side coming across willfully ignorant/naive). It’s less anti-military, and more anti-imperialism tbh, and I feel like Marissa is at a transitional period with her beliefs, because like she states Barbie made her a feminist aka anti-patriarchal leading to anti-religion, which was just last year, so I can see there’s some cognitive dissonance, because how can one understand the system is bad but still is willing to return back of her own choice, like I understand not wanting to be ashamed but there’s a difference in participating in system, when not knowing any better vs when one knows better (b/c ngl most people has/are participat(ed/ing) in some type/parts/aspect of oppression systems, i.e. racism/misogyny/homophobia/transphobia/etc. which are building blocks to the prison complex/capitalism/femicide/etc. due to societal pressures or upbringing like what is represented on tv/movies/news/etc. so it’s less to do with shame/pride, i think it oversimplifies things human are complex and we have complex emotions/feelings but idk maybe more idk naivety (I’m trying to find the right word but it’s hard atm) but the ones who have deconstruct(ed/ing) aspect of these issues individually in their life can hold pride in that although this is my past, I am don’t regret it because it made me who I am today which I understood from Marissa but she lost me when she said she would willingly return... idk it’s definitely a dealbreaker which sucks in the sense that this was my favourite couple so it’s hard but it’s best if they end it tbh
Exactly what I said she’s like still at intersectional feminism 101 when r seems like he’s at Fanon, Marx, Chomsky- I’d still argue he’s got a journey in unpacking Christian faith and the patriarchy re: later but man with M’s mom being a. Emotionally abusive and b. Hyper capitalistic and carceral feminism ideologies- m has a lot of dissonance to overcome and unlearning- I think they could make it with therapy.!
@@SummerRonbins yes!!! You said it better than I ever could lol. He’s who she’s trying to become in terms of politic. They could work so good together if they both were willing to give each other the space and time. But at the same time, I understand them both not wanting to. She needs someone who will be patient with her while her politic/worldview is growing/ evolving BUT that’s a lot to put on someone like him who is already there. Both aren’t wrong but may not be able to give each other what the other needs.😩 Its unfortunate because you can clearly see, damn near feel (lol) how much they love each other. But sometimes love isn’t enough and this may just be a case of right person, wrong time😭
I end up not rooting for anyone once we get far enough into these seasons and yet I'm hooked on the respite that nonsense entertainment provides. Plus it's an added bonus to come hear y'all's thoughts.
Ramses said it would be a dealbreaker if Marissa rejoined the military - the comments suggest it's a dealbreaker for him that she was ever involved. I don't think there's anything wrong with him challenging her perspective especially since there seems to be some dissonance. I actually have a lot more respect for him after hearing the later conversation regarding US imperialism, current world events considered. His perspective aligns with a lot the world's.
I think having issues with the military makes sense, but that has nothing to do with the soldiers etc, it’s the people in command/political leaders and their choices/actions that should be criticized. Not to say soldiers haven’t been found to do heinous crap, but that’s not what they’re talking about. Basically it’s complicated and nuanced and a hassle.
I've always believed especially when there are 2 or more connections in the pod people will say or omit vital points just to win the person in the pods. Being in the pods your emotions are very heightened and your intuition needs to be heightened too to sniff out bs. Because some people come as wolf in sheep's clothing saying anything it takes to get you even though they are lies. Intuition, intuition, intuition.
If Ramses feels so strongly against the military and military personnel, I don’t understand why he kept dating Marissa in the pods once he learned she served. He wasted her time.
@nishat1998 I see your viewpoint, but looking at both sides, I think she is born and raised in the military. When that happens it is your whole life and identity. I also think she hasn't been out for long. Just like if someone was born into a sports family and then did sports their identity would be about sports.🤔
Really did... I liked them but IDK what about them I felt off. They check boxes personality wise, but I feel like he is only enamored with her energy. But a true connection wasn't there. I can see that issue with guys will come up time and time again for her. They just like to absorb her energy and be around it.
My step dad got kicked out of the house at 17 by his step dad and joined the marines. You don’t have many options at that age and there are so many people in that place.
OMG my dad has a jackolope (or however you spell it) and when my sister and I were kids it would scare the crap out of us in the hallway. He has since taken residency in the attic storage now lol
This season is so messy but it's like a car crash, I can help but keep watching😂😂. Half of these people shouldn't be on a relationship with anyone and I feel like nobody is going to get marry, thank Christ. My hopes are on Taylor and Garrett, though. Rooting for them!
Monica complaining about flowers looks to me like she's "moving the goalposts", just so she can keep complaining and nitpicking Stephen. If she has to fall back on her 3rd love language (out of 5!), then either she wants someone who's full time job is boyfriend or she's trying to push Stephen away with impossible standards. To be clear, I don't like him either, but I wish one of them would just speak up and say it's not working out for them. Or at least address the issue directly. I'm not from the USA, but from what I understand military culture is REALLY intense there. So I was genuinely surprised that Netflix aired that discussion. Do you guys think that support of the military is changing in recent years? Because I also remember hearing about the anti-war movements during Vietnam, so maybe my understanding isn't really accurate?
Lately because of Palestine genocide the alternative perspective is a. More common and b. More mainstream, but still it was bold of Netflix to show this. That and the direct anti Trump takes and even things like the James Baldwin quote was wild to see as an American who has pretty radical anti patriotic beliefs.
@@ZeekSeeks Thanks for answering my question. It's encouraging to know more people are willing to question their country's military. I just wish it didn't take a genocide in Palestine to get people there.
@@Max-ql2pv oh believe me there’s a population that was critical before especially marganilized folks like Black folks or people influenced by black panther party or writers like Noam Chomsky
I Appreciate your reviews always ❤ Suggestion - Maybe would be better to record 1 longer video for all the released episodes or part of them ( 2 - 6 ep) at once. That way your conclusions at the end of the video, done in totality, with more info - would be done in a more relevant and accurate direction, and maybe even the video (although longer) could be released earlier, and would probably cause mutch less pressure for y. (Thoughts on the bases of observations of different content creators) Moreover, I remember you used to enjoy bengie watching LIB before (as y started again now ) 🙂
I appreciate this suggestion but also prefer ep by ep reactions. Instead of giving conclusions with more information, this way we get raw reactions that can be hit or miss, but it's not about accurate conclusions to me. I like that they dare to be 'wrong', it inspires me to be more authentic as well. But if they went with something like you suggest, I'd also watch, it'd be great, too. I'm just throwing in my 2c because I know they're taking our opinions into account to some extent. Just don't burn out, M&A! If you need to take a break, we'll deal with it ;)
I wonder if this suggestion also comes from observing that they’ve been missing a lot of details since they’re reacting to it as they’re watching it. Personally, I don’t have a suggestion to fix that bc I know pausing the video to comment each time would make for a way too long video ultimately.
If he feels that strongly about her military service he shouldn’t have proposed to her. There’s so much footage of her talking about her military past in the pods.
While I understand Ramses view and agree a lot of what he's saying, I think he was very dismissive, I didn't like the scoffing and almost like attitude he had towards her service. "Yeah but like you signed up for that tho." Isn't as simple as it sounds when Military propaganda is so influential, Family can be pressuring you, you could be escaping a bad situation, and so many veterans have come out and said they didn't think about the full gravity of what they did until they got older. The military thrives on naive teenagers that's why they lock them into service for years at a time, in hopes to brainwash them and that's not something the average person realizes unless they went through it or someone you know went through it. And sure you can say well that's common sense that if you're in the military you would do those things, but that's not as simple as it sounds
I predict Hannah and Nick to be the couple who makes it to the altar and whoever is chosen to say I do first will say I DON’T. Just to have the one up on the other. I think they both know it’s not gonna be a marriage and just doing it for the $1k weekly check. Am I the only one?
Ramses reaction was immature and gross, period. Full stop. As another commenter wisely said, often when folks significantly change their basic beliefs they can be very rigid the other way at first before they have time to grow into nuance. I get that, but his condescension, hypocrisy (if she had treated his beliefs like that, he would have been outraged) and complete lack of sensitivity that this is very personal for her in a way that it's not for most of us (she's likely lost friends and risked her own life or was ar least willing to) was terrible. He wasn't humble enough to value that. Regardless of beliefs (which he has all the right to have) he was incredibly callous and immature. He represented his side incredibly poorly.
I had to serve in the Israeli military, and I couldn't be more anti-zionist. But Ramses is being reductive, as I used to be. The fact is that there's an entire system to incentive you to commit to a military career at a very young age. And especially social incentives, not just the financial one. So there are entire communities in Israel where the only realistic way to climb the social ladder is through the military. Or die trying.
Hi, I appreciate your perspective! As a Palestinian I haven’t heard a lot of perspectives of people who were in the Israeli army, but not for it (if that makes sense). And I knew it was mandatory to join, but I didn’t know it had a big part of the social ladder, so I appreciate this comment and insight!
I think he understands that…which is why people questioning him falling for an ex military girl in the first place falls flat. What he’s saying is now that you’ve seen the light as an adult woman with financial options and a broader understanding of what the military does, if you go back, it raises questions of moral misalignment.
@@Nour-mx2qsyou’re comment made me emotional! it’s so refreshing hearing these kind of conversations, especially as an anti-zionist jew. i almost never see conversations go like this. free palestine ❤ 🇵🇸
@@justcallmebon2684 this!!! It’s why he kept emphasizing as long as it in her past he’s okay with it. It feels like she still wants to go back/ at the very least be involved in some capacity maybe fundraising/training. I understand him having a problem with that.
To Monica, gifts represent financial stability. She was trying to say that financial security is important to her, which is something Stephen seemed to lack.
I'm currently in the reserves. I'm not very patriotic and I don't display any military pride. I joined because I wasn't satisfied with my civilian job and was looking for more meaning and opportunity that I believed I'd get by joining the Navy. My experience has been about my unit, the team, and looking out for my fellow Sailors. I follow lawful orders and I don't question it because we really can't do anything but follow them. I think Ramses criticism should be directed at the politicians, Congress, Generals/Admirals, etc. that are making the decisions and not the troops. There are many reasons why someone might join the military I feel as though Ramses is very staunch in his values and principles that he is unrelenting and unwilling to see another side, like he doesn't want to question that he might not have the full picture or consider that he could be wrong about things. Given what we know about his background and the comments he's made, I do see where he is coming from. I just hope that people keep an open mind and consider there are things they might not know.
I think it’d be good to make a separate video about Tim. I’d love to see all of the information in one place lol 😂 Seeing little bits everywhere about him feels confusing. I’m also not wanting to encourage people to do something wild (as people on the internet often do lol) like looking up info or images of his kids b/c regardless of the situation they didn’t sign up for this, so I haven’t done any research on my own. Alsooooooo, to be fair, if it wasn’t a big deal I think Tim would have said something in the pods &/or they would have included it in his “character backstory” but they didn’t & up until now he hasn’t said anything about it. If it’s not that complicated/he wasn’t anticipating a negative response he would have named it sooner. If he was trying to protect his kids then don’t sign up for reality tv.
Yall talk too much so you miss stuff 😂Monica was mad because she asked Steven to come watch the fireworks with her. He motioned that he would but instead continued to talk with Garrett and finish their conversation instead. Then she was standing with her friend looking around at some of the other couples having a cute moment watching the fireworks together and got mad. But she was being completely unreasonable to me imo. I don't blame him, he probably wanted a break from her. I didn't like her attitude and that passive aggressive mess is a no for me. She's been berating him nonstop (first snapping at him for talking, then yelling at him about flowers, etc.) And then she was trashing him behind his back saying he's "scared of her" as if she was proud of it. Why would you want your partner who you love to be "scared" of you? She is an entire mess.
Her edit gave me a lot of flags for codependency tbh. I see codependency as the need to not just control your own emotions and reactions in a situation, but other's emotions and reactions as well. So, people pleasing, or being cold and bossy. Both are controlling the other person's reaction (often for altruistic reasons). The direct and coldness sometimes with Monica, her willingness to over-give and provide financially, idk. Wishing the best for her and her future!
The military argument was so uncomfortable. Ramses was so rigid in a way that didn’t allow him to see her human experience and complicated feelings about the topic. How can she unpack and process her military experience if she’s married to someone who can’t even see her? The only option for her is to either not talk about it, or just completely agree with everything he says.
I’m so tired of Marissa’s military talk! Omg, give it a break!!! Doesn’t she have anything else to talk about. How about giving your fiancée a chance to talk once in awhile!
….Monica literally asked Stephen to go out to watch the fireworks with her, but he decided his conversation with his bro was a bigger priority. Which is just inconsiderate, especially after the conversation they had previously.
What did Ramses expected though? her whole personality is being in the military, in the pods she talked about it non stop...like bro??? and SPECIALLY sus since the other guy was also military and it would be a great fit for her, I feel like he just wanted to "win" her over the Ukraine dude and go on a vacation.
I think there's also a misconception when it comes to foreigners who feel that way about US military looking Our soldiersIn that America is seen as this incredibly wealthy country and even if you are not from a wealthy family in the country In that America is seen as this incredibly wealthy country and even if you are not from a wealthy family in this country it's viewed as the land of opportunity if you're just willing to work hard And I don't think a lot of them realize A lot of people And to have And to have a chance to succeed. A lot of kids especially minorities who join the military are coming from areas where the only ways to make it out are usually if you're an athlete or an entertainer and beyond that often the best you can hope for is a government job very much including the military because that's a guarantee wait a college. Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their stations but that of their family is well and the Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their stations but that of their family is as well as the military is sold to be a very effective and positive means of doing that. I am the wife daughter sister niece and granddaughter of veterans and I can tell you 1st hand That it doesn't go unnoticed Bye A lot of People who are in relationships or have children With active duty or veterans It's very obvious to you just how much money is spent specifically Selling the idea of the American dream to the youth to a degree that is honestly predatory. The exact same way you'll see people like moms for liberty avidly fighting to force Christianity into public schools The military however is fully allowed to go in and recruit kids who aren't even 18 years old yet to make this crazy decision and make this massive commitment because this sold a really great and goal and dream and a sense of adventure and accomplishment and pride.... And we all in the name of patriotism just sort of look the other way When it comes to the potential danger joining up holes because we're not actively at war America has the most powerful and wealthy military in the world so we tend not to think of ourself or our troops being in any form of consistent immediate danger. Very much gives me the impression As open and receptive as he is maybe he hasn't seen a lot of what poverty looks like in America and how the military has essentially marketed itself is a solution to that poverty for decades namely because it's probably their second most effective ad campaign short of Black and white granny photos of 911 being played at republic domain patriotic music...
The Marissa /Ramses conversation was fascinating to watch. While I certainly understand his POV, as someone who has traveled outside of the US, I appreciate my life in the US and all the freedoms that it comes with. Yes, there is much to criticize when it comes to the US and our politics - but compared to other governments, we are blessed.
Which government? The Danish, Swiss, Estonian, Portuguese? I'm so confused with the US thinking it's THE country of freedom, when women's bodies are controlled by old dudes in how many of the 50 states? As someone coming from a small country and having traveled around the world EVERY country has pros and cons. Interesting enough someone from Norway said lately that even though they had a right-wing government for the past period, it's still paradise compared to the US - the worst government in Norway wouldn't take away free health care, paid maternal & paternal leave, unemployment benefits .. etc. So wherever you're coming from - it always gives you a different perspective on what's a blessing.
@doktordivine , Are you ok? No where in my comment did I say that the US is "the country of freedom," in fact I said there is much to criticize when it comes to the US and its politics. As for myself, saying that I feel blessed living in the US, is my version of practicing gratitude.
@@doktordivinealso comparing small countries that are the size of some of our state’s population to the U.S. that has a 33x or greater population isn’t rationale. Sure those very small countries may have some elements the U.S. doesn’t but a big part of that is the enormous size and population of the country. And left be right wing politics are different based on regions. European right wing is not the same as U.S. right wing.
Oh come on Monica has three love languages? Pick one girl, you can’t expect everything. Of course I don’t excuse his behaviour later on but it was just funny how she said that.
I love this season for showing important conversations. Re: the military conversation, I'm completely on his side, difference between me and him is that I wouldn't even be in a relationship with someone who is or was in the military. Politics, religion and how someone sees gonder roles is where I refuse to bend my views when it comes to relationships. Taylor and Garrett have been my favs from the beginning, I'm happy go see them get some love. I liked and still like Ramses and Marissa's relationship but I have some concerns. I really liked Ashley and Tyler but now they're down there with the couples I'm not rooting for. Love Ashley, though. I'm probably the only one who dislikes Nick more than Hannah. Dont get me wrong, Hannah isnt great, I dont like the way she talks to Nick. Monica and Stephen.. oh boy. Monica loving that her man is scared of her is weird. I dont get why she was mad he didnt watch fireworks with her. I dont even like flowers but understand why she's annoyed about the flowers thing. Stephen is just weird and needs to stop saying " Yeah, you're right". Tim and Alex I dont care for. I really dont like Tim, I liked Alex until she put her hand on his mouth.
When it comes to the military conversation and what soldiers do during war, this can be parallel to the Stanford prison experiment where when an individual steps into a role of authority in society, they become that persona and it’s less of them and more of the role.
The military is non partisan. So anyone living in this great country and benefitting from the liberties and freedoms only given due to volunteers protecting the sovereignty of the nation should not critique the DoD. Critique your appointed politicians and yourselves for voting them in or not even doing anything at all. Thank you for sharing your content.
Have you considered watching an entire episode and then giving your reaction? It's funny because you will have a big discussion about something and then 2 minutes later it will be meaningless.
Its is such a weird position for Ramses to be judgemental on imo. He is so progressive but i don't see it much different than people steal or doing other not-so-good things to make it or to feed their family. Judging individuals who "voluntary" became a soilder, stripper or thief (or whatever you feel is morally corrupt) the same as the system that put them in that position is weird. They all individually fuel negative shit in our global community, but some people aren't handed all the cards need to even get the starting line. We can support the individuals because they are people too and not make them feel less than or judged because of their past. Focus on progressive helpful things and opportunities to stop more individuals from going down a morally corrupt route.
Can you please discuss the sex comment too? How do you all feel about a men demanding their girl to take birth control? I watched the whole thing waiting for this discussion. I thought this was shocking coming from this “liberal” guy.
Rambo is from Venezuela where it is mandatory to serve when you are over 18. If he hates American Imperialism so much why not go back home and take real action to liberate the world like a man? Talk is cheap dude. And the lowest form of action. 😂😂
Here we must enlist in the army. In my opinion it makes you mature and change the meaning of life. We have one country and it is our duty to serve and protect her 🇮🇱 Personally I met my husband in the army in 1997 and we got married in 2019.
The military conversation has been one of the realest most raw conversations in this show ever.
Ramses being from. Venezuela puts an interesting spin on it too
Faccttss. It was so intense and intimate. Very interesting
Literally. And the audience complaining is specially frustrating, When "they don't talk about important stuff" is a regular Complaint
Also, is such a normal nuanced conversation about a complex subject. They did talked about her background. Is just not a topic you'll exhaust completely after a few days of 2h of conversations.
This episodes made me fall in love with Garrett & Taylor so much more. Like not only seeing their fun & joking side and how they match each others humor but also when they get serious and talk about this entire experience. They're just so realistic about it, which is what you should be in order to actually make this work. I really hope they work out. I'm rooting for them the most.
I think the military conversation should have started in the pods. If this is somehow a dealbreaker for him, he shouldn't be investing in this relationships. Because she had a chance to bulit relationship with the other guy. Either you can accept her past and her believes or don't get into this relationship.
Reading and watching this makes me feel like he wasted her time if this was such a hard line for him. She talked about military service so much in the pods, but not once did he bring how he felt in terms of this hard line to her during the pods. I really think it was because of the competition he had. He put up a mask on that just enough to get chosen.
Exactly.
They definitely discussed her military service in the pods. We have no idea how much depth and what he expressed then.
Yes!!!!! I say this as someone who live in a country that had a dictatorship for almost 30 years, it is a deal breaker to me, and I was kinda shocked that he just brushed off, like she talked A LOT about it, it's kinda her whole personality so I really don't understand what he expected.
I think the issue with the military service conversation is that they’re not getting anywhere because Ramses is discussing morality/ethics/politics/philosophy and Marissa is discussing her personal experience and decision making. They’re just not having the same conversation, so there’s no way to really see the other person’s perspective. They probably shouldn’t have chosen each other in the pods, but I’m so glad to see Ramses’ anti-imperialism perspective on reality tv. I’m almost shocked Netflix kept so much of it in.
ramses is from venezuela. and being from countries in latin america or certain countries is the east, we have a different perspective in regards to us military. that said, i wouldn't even be able to be in a relationship with someone who's been in the military, it's too controversial.
the same way i would never be able to say "thank you for your service" if your service was killing and oppressing my people.
I thought I must have misremembered him saying that. I totally agree and understand his perspective, but it’s bizarre that he got engaged to her and said thank you for your service.
100% agree. Me, personally, I wouldn't date or even be close friends with anyone in the military or any of its iterations. We can disagree on pizza toppings, not in ideologies. But Ramses did get into this situation on his own. If it's so much of a hard pass, why waste her time?
Yet, Ramses resides in America.
Conflicting and/or hypocritical.
Reminds me of that court scene in A Few Good Men... "...questions the manner in which I provide it..."
@@ask_why000 so you're saying that everyone that lives in the us has to agree with the us military? sounds like a dictatorship to me lol.
also, what does the us government provide? free healthcare, free higher education, fair labor laws? in the mean time, many of the countries that are trying to provide those kinds of things end up not being able to fully do that, because of us imperialism, so...
Yes, as a Brazilian I would't even have kept talking in the pods with someone who served in the military, I feel like he kinda wasted her time just to "win" the love triangle "battle"
My husband was playing in a playground in Afghanistan when the us dropped a bomb. His 5&7 year old cousins were killed, his other cousin was permanently disabled and he still has shrapnel stuck in his body. They were called collateral damage. This is the reality for people who have survived war. I don’t want to hear about people being unapologetic for their service when they are literal murderers.
I can see where Ramses is coming from for sure but I think he’s not being as delicate when he knew going into the relationship the military was a big part of her life and if now sounds like it’s a potential deal breaker, active service or not that shit changes someone and is usually a very foundational part of a person wether good or bad. I don’t think she shied away from her service and she definitely talks about it in an overall positive way, even talking about how her physical type in men has been shaped by that.
It ends up feeling like he’s debating her instead of talking to her and it’s something that is very nuanced and she is clearly in a much better position to understand than him. Idk if he’s being understanding considering he could have foreseen this and should have been more upfront about his feelings towards the military in the pods, I wonder if he stayed quiet knowing that Bhodan is also ex military and there was competition there.
He’s 100% debating her, that’s spot on
I think the military conversation, like he knew she was in the mili, but hearing her say I don’t regret it, I am not ashamed if it, I am proud of my service, I would talk to my kids about it, etc.. I think these are the things that had him pull away.
I understand the circumstances that put underprivileged people in the military, believe me, I am from a Mexican family in an extremely impoverished area and tons of my family have gone and died in the military, but this doesn’t negate the harm of the military industrial complex..
And here you have an individual saying they are proud of it..
Put it in the context if today.. imagine an IDF soldier talking to a Palestinian and look them in the eye and saying they are not ashamed of, do not regret, and are proud if their service..
That is essentially Marissa, a us soldier, talking to Ramses, a man who came from Venezuela, and saying I am proud of this.
I feel like she talked a lot in the pods about both her participation in the military and her relationship with the military. At least from a viewers perspective it was obvious that it was a significant part her her identity. I don't understand how this wasn't a conversation topic that came up during one of their pod dates. I think this season especially highlights how so many of the people on this show overlook certain things because they want to get married so bad too the point where they overlook core values. A lot of these couples say yes to whoever is the best match out of the small sample of people in the pods rather than accepting that their person was not the "experiment" and going home single. I have the most faith in Garret and Taylor, I think the fact that in the pods they came across as boring and analytical was because they both were trying to see if their core values align and now that they are out the pods they are just enjoying being together which is why we are seeing more of their personalities. ( if this doesn't make any sense I wrote this really quickly while studying for my Audit exam). I love your videos BTW
I served 25 years in the Canadian military, where you sign up voluntarily. My views on things changed drastically from 21 to 46yrs old. My military experience was more than a job for me and it helped me understand the world better. Although I remain proud of my service, I can totally understand how people coming from countries where the military is intertwined with a dictatorship political regime can have opposing views.
“Although i remain proud of my service...” that is what Ramses doesn’t want to hear and that is what is fucked. He wants her to be ashamed of it. That is unacceptable. Really pissed me off. Imagine being with a partner and you cannot express any nostalgia for the good parts of something that was so important and formative and integral to who you are.
Thank you for your service. People who benefit from the military, but can’t be thankful for those who serve should shut up.
So you aren’t ashamed of the families you murdered or helped murder? You destroyed families.
@@PrincessToad If you are talking dictatorships in other countries, families were already being destroyed, at least on the conversations I have had with people who come from countries with horrible dictatorships.
Re Tyler, it’s concerning me that people are more offended by the “complicated” kids situation that the fact that he’s a thief and a con artist. The kids they could figure out, the several cases against him for not paying back money, quitting jobs to avoid paying back settlements etc. is actually insane. His debts will be Ashley’s once they are married and she doesn’t deserve that.
Tyler is a red flag period. If a man has to tell you to ignore what other women say about him, he is the problem.
I absolutely loved your conversation on the army, as a non American your whole society is kind of brainwashed but the army experience is so engrained into family and societal life in a unique way over there. It’s beautiful to question ethics and have a shift in the narrative. We have a completely different outlook in our country with respect to the army. “I don’t support the troops” is such strange word play divisive and deflects the governments accountability. Also Gosh you guys are in for a surprise when you watch the next episode.
I so loved that last convo. Dare I say the best in LIB history for me. No joke. It was so real, authentic, messy and topical. It’s probably a discussion that’s happening w/ families/ loved ones right now because of everything going on in the world. Kudos to the couple everyone seems to think is just surface level (not me)talking about the hard stuff. Idk it seems like they agree more than they think on the topic and the language Marissa uses makes me feel like her perspective on it is evolving.🤷🏽♀️
Not enough for judgmental Ramses, apparently.
Here are my thoughts on the military conversation between Marissa and Ramses... let's think back to the pods, Marissa talked about the military and her service A LOT! If Ramses is sooo anti-military, why in the bejeebers would you pick someone that was formerly in the military!? I'm so confused! He literally got divorced because him and his now ex-wife did not see eye to eye on the whole christianity belief system... so why in the hell are you getting engaged to someone who has participated in something that you have such moral opposition towards!? If this is a moral core value for him, why did he look past it in the pods?! And what is crazy is I'm on the same page as him in regards to my thoughts on war and power, but I also understand where she is coming from! The fact that now he's voicing his distain for her military service is so irresponsible, imo, and I feel bad for Marissa that he is projecting shame on her for serving.
I swear this season of LIB is giving me whiplash😂
Thank you! His views I totally get. BUT totally unreasonable when "voluntarily" getting into a relationship with a woman whose been involved in the military since she was 2 years old and 8 years served. Like? You signed up for it here sir.... Passing judgment on people as harshly as you do a system then why get involved with that person. Setting someone up for unnecessary heartbreak. Like I don't fault her on not seeing it would be a deal breaker because she talked so much on it and most people are just neutral enough to not care she is ex military.
Why is he NOW expressing to her such hard lines? Was it because he had competition and he didn't want to diminish his chances...🤔
Because she never said she would go back. That's not even an issue. In fact, he said he was unsure about her due to her military background and the other guy she eas interested in also being military. She said all her exes were and was horrible, and how she wanted something different,. They bonded over progressive values. They chose each other because of that. That conversation was a very normal nuanced discussion about a complex subject. They're clashing over the moral justification.
I think the military conversation, like he knew she was in the mili, but hearing her say I don’t regret it, I am not ashamed if it, I am proud of my service, I would talk to my kids about it, etc.. I think these are the things that had him pull away.
I understand the circumstances that put underprivileged people in the military, believe me, I am from a Mexican family in an extremely impoverished area and tons of my family have gone and died in the military, but this doesn’t negate the harm of the military industrial complex..
And here you have an individual saying they are proud of it..
Put it in the context if today.. imagine an IDF soldier talking to a Palestinian and look them in the eye and saying they are not ashamed of, do not regret, and are proud if their service..
That is essentially Marissa, a us soldier, talking to Ramses, a man who came from Venezuela, and saying I am proud of this.
I’m a current AD spouse of over 22 years. I used to be very patriotic and loved being a military spouse. However, the military wronged my family and I think it’s all a bunch of crap now. It’s all about “families” 🙄 Wrong. The cheating that happens during deployments (both at sea and land), especially with prostitutes is SICKENING. And the men have a bro code so they don’t tell the spouses. I would have never imagined that would touch my life, but due to a hard deployment where the military gave zero support for my spouses mental health, (in fact he felt threatened to even admit he was depressed because that would hurt his career) he made a horrible choice. I have zero pride at this point. I view it all with skepticism. It’s been 3 years and the damage it did to my kids and I is horrible.
I am so sorry that happened to you and your family. I have heard stories of men being pressured/threatened if they do not have sex with sex workers in the military so I understand your anger at the military in this situation.
I’m sorry you went thru That. I did too. (It was years ago & it hurts to even go back & think about it.) 🙏
So I’m in the reserves (also in the DMV) and have had the same internal struggle that she does (and liberal); however, I think the biggest part that is missing from their convo is the socioeconomic aspect of why a certain group joins. I joined for the college money, and typically the people who sign up do for a better future i.e middle and lower class. While it’s voluntary, it’s a way out for a lot of people in tough situations. Also she seems open to joining the reserves in the future (even tho she didn’t like it a couple years back) which like, the camaraderie is a gaping whole when you get out and that would be something he could never understand but would be his redline so I just don’t see them getting over that if she wanted to in the future.
I love with Garrett & Taylor 🥰. I cant stand anyone else.
Hannah is insecure. And unemployed. And she needs to humble and destroy him to make herself look better. It’s very annoying to watch.
These things are true, but these last episodes also show her for being someone that has it a lot more together than Nick does despite being unemployed. I wish she would just break up with Nick bc she clearly was disappointed by his appearance in the reveal and she’s been holding that against him. Nick seems so far from being ready to be in a steady relationship let alone a marriage, which makes me suspicious about his real intentions to be on the show. Couldn’t believe he suggested to Hannah that they moved in to his parents’ basement after they get married 😅
@@rosabellef3582 regardless of how Nick is-Hannah chose him. Also she was mean out of the gate before she knew his living situation. There is a way that she can express her disappointment without talking to him like he is less than human. Just because Nick isn’t ready doesn’t mean he should be treated without respect. They both have reasons to break up with each other.
Pod Host: (Regarding Steph and Monica) “What’s going on?!!… why is she being so hard on him? …”So far he doesn’t seem like a bad dude”
Me: “You’ll see” 🍿🍿😂😂
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I am in no way excusing the behavior of Steph coming later (without spoilers), but Monica has been treating him like a child, with an air of superiority.
@@catherinederi8490 so seeing how he acts later, would it not make sense that there is stuff we haven't seen about how he is acting during these earlier episodes which is leading to how she is acting?
@@catherinederi8490100%. She has been a bitch and i take nothing back knowing what i know. In fact, i daresay he orchestrated it all to have an out haha
@@sherriromas5871i thought the same of Hannah tbh. That said, better to just leave than stay and be disdainful and contemptuous of people you’re sleeping with.
You are right. He was on a few podcasts and told Ashley early on but producers wanted to keep the single unattached dude narrative and they re-filmed alot of scenes and theur convos were spliced with earlier ones and edited together. 😢😮 Either way its a complex situation.
I think a lot of people that are not from the US would feel the same as him, myself included. That being said, her speaking about it as much as she did in the pods would have been a clear indication to me that we don’t match well. I’m unsure why he went this far with her.
I dont get the audience saying they didn't talked about her military background. Yes, they did. He literally said he was unsure about her for that exact reason and because she was interested in a military guy. Her background is not an issue. Her going back would be. They're clashing over the the moral justification. Marissa said herself her exes were all military and it was horrible and how she wanted something different. They basically connected on progressive Values . I don't get why people are so taken aback by that conversation. She has a very normal complex relationship "i support the people but not the military". The subject wouldn't be exhausted completely after a few days of 2h of conversations.. The condom conversation was what completely took me out.
What’s under there?
Mostly fish
….Yeah! So many layers of them! 😂😂😂
Love the sunflower story. Love YOU! Your recaps are sooooo much better than the “big guys”! ♥️ 🌻
If you're completely against the military and judge people harshly who participate... why would you marry a woman who spent most of her live in the military? Make that make sense 😂
Probably because she‘s not part of it anymore and she criticizes parts of it too.
@@njanja5628yeah it’s clear she’s unlearning a lot of stuff and her relationship to that appears to be one. He probably thought he could educate her and get her to go further left. Plus he seems to really like her. Vice versa. Love makes you see past things/ expect the best out of the other person.
It seems he avoided really thinking about it. And then took that frustration out on her through his judgment.
@@njanja5628yeah but he’s doing wayyy too much. He wants her to rewrite her history: denounce her service and express regret. Fuck that.
@@birdi3beezi don’t know if he loves her. He is very judgey. And won’t wear a damn condom.
I'm not much of a flower type of girl... especially if store bought flowers, wildflowers would be my preference if I had to have flowers. I am more of a houseplant type of gal.
Ramses knew a big part of Marissa's life was the military so it cannot be that big of an issue to him because he wanted her and proposed to her. Either he isn't taking this experiment seriously or he is ok with things. He wasn't forced to choose Marissa.
They keep reminding me of Nicole & Ben from UK LIB.
What is the story behind his two lil braids( ? ) he has, did he say and I missed it?
I cannot with Stephen at any point of this series. Cringe every second. 100% Ick from almost the get go, said it in Ep2 comment. I keep seeing Seth Rogen and Tracee Ellis Ross when they are on camera. I need those 2 actors to spoof them now.😋
As someone with no connection to the US at all, I totally agree with basically everything Ramses said. I think because he’s from Venezuela, he sees a perspective that she doesn’t see. I’m curious to hear what other people who aren’t from the US think, because it all feels very patriotic to me
Same here, I am from a US colony and there are a lot of military people around my life, and whilst I don't make them my enemy when they are without uniform (metaphorically) once they put one on as far as i know they are here to coerce, repress and colonize me and mine.
He had valid points but he felt so dismissive of her. "well yeah but like you know what your getting into for when you sign up." Isn't as true as someone not in the military or around those who were thinks it is. Military propaganda, Brain washing, financial and familiar reasons, can all make you blind to the realities of how bad service can get. He can have his perspective (which is me saying that as someone who also has a lot of disgust for some of the actions in the military) without dismissing Marissa. The scoffing and clear discontempt was so disrespectful to a time in her life that means a lot to her
This was the best convo I’ve ever seen on reality tv as a leftist, Marxist, I won’t give away anything but I found his takes very aligned but had some potholes I think deconstructing your faith can make you have absolute binaries in the beginning and some self righteousness leftover from evangelical culture can make your progressive takes condescending- I smell that on R
That said with M I kind of am frustrated with her that she is attracted to R bc of his anti patriarchal ideology but seems to be surprised or taken aback by his throughline of deconstruction- If you’re deconstructing gender, class, and race which she is (you guys missed her Mormon deconstruction talk prior to military point) she should keep going to anti imperialism and anti carceral- he seems very much centered on blackness too and her too I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s pro defund the police or hold them accountable- the must be same for military. I just think they’re deconstruction journey mutually has dissonance and they’re not going all the way down the line to fully pull the strings from their conservative upbringings - granted, as someone who is still on that journey- it’s HARD
Hi military vet here! I found the conversation very interesting. I didn’t join the military because it seemed like a fun time. I joined because I had no other option. I was failing out of school and had no where to go. Most of my friends in the military also joined because they felt they had no other option. Not out of some patriotic reason. I am very anti war and I don’t support military operations. The military preys on the disadvantage to join. So I see his side but I also think he doesn’t understand that when you’ve hit rock bottom and have no where to go, the military can be a very beneficial place for people. I don’t regret joining, I had nothing else going for myself and now I am in a much better place. Would I join it again? Absolutely not. I have benefits for the rest of my life, I get paid disability, and I’m going to college for free. They aren’t getting anything from me ever again but I will continue to take from them what I deserved. Service members most of the time hate the military and all it stands for but having a job and free healthcare and free housing was what we were there for.
This makes sense, because in the next episode Marissa and her mother comment on how poor they were growing up.
All throughout merissa and Ramses whole conversation my mind was just like “just watch Attack in Titian together bro” (joking)
I would love a short vid compiling the drama that we find out about from outside the season
This season is definitely not my fav but I still can’t stop watching 🤣
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I hate this season! Not even one couple that is standing !?
It's two train wrecks in a trenchcoat...
@@Toccup1Garret/Taylor
@@pearlosibu hope so but....
As a military spouse, he is putting the blame on the mailroom worker for the cooperate greed. And yes the military doesn't always do what is right or best but that dowsn't trickle down to the members. The people who make those decisions are often not even military. Exicution is military.
Honestly if I wanted to be with someone who was in the military I would have a similar conversation but I would understand her better because many people are, in a way, groomed into it like she was. She grew up around military! The government wants to incentivize that! So her having this growth while not hating the people is COMPLETELY valid, but I’m sure it hits harder for him because of where he was born and the effects on his people and WAY too many others.
I just think that this might not work if he can’t have some understanding for her because she deserves some understanding at least.
I was about to go to bed, but nevermind, I want to hear your thoughts!
You can definitely criticize the military and still be proud of your service and I don’t think anyone that didn’t share that experience can really understand or criticize your personal experience or view. The military overall sure, but you shouldn’t make someone who served feel morally inferior, it’s the same with police officers or any law enforcement. You can criticize the system, AND YOU SHOULD, but when you’ve been in that formative environment, of course you’ll have some positives and I’m sure you feel that pride of helping people right alongside the guilt of hurting people. As Americans we are generally conditioned to respect and be proud of the military and she’s clearly from a military family. Idk
Exactly this! He refused to see her as anything but a continuation of the system itself.
But my thing is what did you do in your service that you’re proud of? What actions did you do and how did they affect other beings? What exactly are you proud of? I know those people aren’t in charge of decisions, but you knew that the actions you’ll perform will have consequences. IDK maybe it’s because I live in a part of the world where the us military has done some downright inhumane acts, but I find really hard to see how someone can be proud of their service.
it’s hard to state my viewpoint without spoilers… but I will try and say that I 100% stand/side with Ramses more, especially as a non-American, and although it may comes across judgmentally (the same case can be stated for the other side coming across willfully ignorant/naive). It’s less anti-military, and more anti-imperialism tbh, and I feel like Marissa is at a transitional period with her beliefs, because like she states Barbie made her a feminist aka anti-patriarchal leading to anti-religion, which was just last year, so I can see there’s some cognitive dissonance, because how can one understand the system is bad but still is willing to return back of her own choice, like I understand not wanting to be ashamed but there’s a difference in participating in system, when not knowing any better vs when one knows better (b/c ngl most people has/are participat(ed/ing) in some type/parts/aspect of oppression systems, i.e. racism/misogyny/homophobia/transphobia/etc. which are building blocks to the prison complex/capitalism/femicide/etc. due to societal pressures or upbringing like what is represented on tv/movies/news/etc. so it’s less to do with shame/pride, i think it oversimplifies things human are complex and we have complex emotions/feelings but idk maybe more idk naivety (I’m trying to find the right word but it’s hard atm) but the ones who have deconstruct(ed/ing) aspect of these issues individually in their life can hold pride in that although this is my past, I am don’t regret it because it made me who I am today which I understood from Marissa but she lost me when she said she would willingly return... idk it’s definitely a dealbreaker which sucks in the sense that this was my favourite couple so it’s hard but it’s best if they end it tbh
Exactly what I said she’s like still at intersectional feminism 101 when r seems like he’s at Fanon, Marx, Chomsky- I’d still argue he’s got a journey in unpacking Christian faith and the patriarchy re: later but man with M’s mom being a. Emotionally abusive and b. Hyper capitalistic and carceral feminism ideologies- m has a lot of dissonance to overcome and unlearning- I think they could make it with therapy.!
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@@SummerRonbins yes!!! You said it better than I ever could lol. He’s who she’s trying to become in terms of politic. They could work so good together if they both were willing to give each other the space and time. But at the same time, I understand them both not wanting to. She needs someone who will be patient with her while her politic/worldview is growing/ evolving BUT that’s a lot to put on someone like him who is already there. Both aren’t wrong but may not be able to give each other what the other needs.😩 Its unfortunate because you can clearly see, damn near feel (lol) how much they love each other. But sometimes love isn’t enough and this may just be a case of right person, wrong time😭
I end up not rooting for anyone once we get far enough into these seasons and yet I'm hooked on the respite that nonsense entertainment provides.
Plus it's an added bonus to come hear y'all's thoughts.
Ramses said it would be a dealbreaker if Marissa rejoined the military - the comments suggest it's a dealbreaker for him that she was ever involved. I don't think there's anything wrong with him challenging her perspective especially since there seems to be some dissonance. I actually have a lot more respect for him after hearing the later conversation regarding US imperialism, current world events considered. His perspective aligns with a lot the world's.
I think having issues with the military makes sense, but that has nothing to do with the soldiers etc, it’s the people in command/political leaders and their choices/actions that should be criticized. Not to say soldiers haven’t been found to do heinous crap, but that’s not what they’re talking about. Basically it’s complicated and nuanced and a hassle.
I agree with Ramses on his opinion but he knew she was in the military, he can't say it's a deal breaker now.
WAS not IS
He said if she were to go back. And she reiterated that she wouldn’t want to go back 🤷🏽♀️
I've always believed especially when there are 2 or more connections in the pod people will say or omit vital points just to win the person in the pods. Being in the pods your emotions are very heightened and your intuition needs to be heightened too to sniff out bs. Because some people come as wolf in sheep's clothing saying anything it takes to get you even though they are lies. Intuition, intuition, intuition.
If Ramses feels so strongly against the military and military personnel, I don’t understand why he kept dating Marissa in the pods once he learned she served. He wasted her time.
I think Melissa shouldn't make her whole personality about the military...getting sick of her keep bringing it up in conversation over and over again.
@nishat1998 I see your viewpoint, but looking at both sides, I think she is born and raised in the military. When that happens it is your whole life and identity. I also think she hasn't been out for long. Just like if someone was born into a sports family and then did sports their identity would be about sports.🤔
Really did... I liked them but IDK what about them I felt off. They check boxes personality wise, but I feel like he is only enamored with her energy. But a true connection wasn't there. I can see that issue with guys will come up time and time again for her. They just like to absorb her energy and be around it.
Megan the Stallion called the ocean a “monster soup” and it checks out 😂
My step dad got kicked out of the house at 17 by his step dad and joined the marines. You don’t have many options at that age and there are so many people in that place.
OMG my dad has a jackolope (or however you spell it) and when my sister and I were kids it would scare the crap out of us in the hallway. He has since taken residency in the attic storage now lol
I ve been watching your channel and enjoying your reviews from a couples perspective!!!!
Hey, I've been waiting✋️to see your reaction on these episodes.
i screamed. thank you i needed this after work today. first!
This season is so messy but it's like a car crash, I can help but keep watching😂😂. Half of these people shouldn't be on a relationship with anyone and I feel like nobody is going to get marry, thank Christ. My hopes are on Taylor and Garrett, though. Rooting for them!
Omg so much to unpack this weeklets goooooo!!!
I love watching your love and love your commentary ❤❤
Monica complaining about flowers looks to me like she's "moving the goalposts", just so she can keep complaining and nitpicking Stephen. If she has to fall back on her 3rd love language (out of 5!), then either she wants someone who's full time job is boyfriend or she's trying to push Stephen away with impossible standards.
To be clear, I don't like him either, but I wish one of them would just speak up and say it's not working out for them. Or at least address the issue directly.
I'm not from the USA, but from what I understand military culture is REALLY intense there. So I was genuinely surprised that Netflix aired that discussion. Do you guys think that support of the military is changing in recent years? Because I also remember hearing about the anti-war movements during Vietnam, so maybe my understanding isn't really accurate?
Lately because of Palestine genocide the alternative perspective is a. More common and b. More mainstream, but still it was bold of Netflix to show this. That and the direct anti Trump takes and even things like the James Baldwin quote was wild to see as an American who has pretty radical anti patriotic beliefs.
@theceech what did I say that was confusing?
@@ZeekSeeks Thanks for answering my question. It's encouraging to know more people are willing to question their country's military. I just wish it didn't take a genocide in Palestine to get people there.
@@Max-ql2pv oh believe me there’s a population that was critical before especially marganilized folks like Black folks or people influenced by black panther party or writers like Noam Chomsky
I Appreciate your reviews always ❤
Suggestion - Maybe would be better to record 1 longer video for all the released episodes or part of them ( 2 - 6 ep) at once.
That way your conclusions at the end of the video, done in totality, with more info - would be done in a more relevant and accurate direction, and maybe even the video (although longer) could be released earlier, and would probably cause mutch less pressure for y. (Thoughts on the bases of observations of different content creators)
Moreover, I remember you used to enjoy bengie watching LIB before (as y started again now ) 🙂
I prefer 1 video per episode instead of a 1.5 hours (or even longer) video about f.ex. 3-6 episodes.
I appreciate this suggestion but also prefer ep by ep reactions. Instead of giving conclusions with more information, this way we get raw reactions that can be hit or miss, but it's not about accurate conclusions to me. I like that they dare to be 'wrong', it inspires me to be more authentic as well.
But if they went with something like you suggest, I'd also watch, it'd be great, too. I'm just throwing in my 2c because I know they're taking our opinions into account to some extent.
Just don't burn out, M&A! If you need to take a break, we'll deal with it ;)
I wonder if this suggestion also comes from observing that they’ve been missing a lot of details since they’re reacting to it as they’re watching it. Personally, I don’t have a suggestion to fix that bc I know pausing the video to comment each time would make for a way too long video ultimately.
@@rosabellef3582 Valid point. Something's got to give either way.
Hannah: “can you mount a T.V?”
Me: “Can you afford to buy a T.V?”
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her quitting her job doesn’t mean she’s broke…. y’all can dislike people but at least make the shade make sense lol
If he feels that strongly about her military service he shouldn’t have proposed to her. There’s so much footage of her talking about her military past in the pods.
While I understand Ramses view and agree a lot of what he's saying, I think he was very dismissive, I didn't like the scoffing and almost like attitude he had towards her service. "Yeah but like you signed up for that tho." Isn't as simple as it sounds when Military propaganda is so influential, Family can be pressuring you, you could be escaping a bad situation, and so many veterans have come out and said they didn't think about the full gravity of what they did until they got older.
The military thrives on naive teenagers that's why they lock them into service for years at a time, in hopes to brainwash them and that's not something the average person realizes unless they went through it or someone you know went through it. And sure you can say well that's common sense that if you're in the military you would do those things, but that's not as simple as it sounds
WHERE IS THE DOG PAINTING? :((( I was so ready to see the new background
I predict Hannah and Nick to be the couple who makes it to the altar and whoever is chosen to say I do first will say I DON’T. Just to have the one up on the other. I think they both know it’s not gonna be a marriage and just doing it for the $1k weekly check. Am I the only one?
I think they are both very young and it shows. I think they need more relationship experience and not necessarily with each other.
Ramses reaction was immature and gross, period. Full stop. As another commenter wisely said, often when folks significantly change their basic beliefs they can be very rigid the other way at first before they have time to grow into nuance. I get that, but his condescension, hypocrisy (if she had treated his beliefs like that, he would have been outraged) and complete lack of sensitivity that this is very personal for her in a way that it's not for most of us (she's likely lost friends and risked her own life or was ar least willing to) was terrible. He wasn't humble enough to value that. Regardless of beliefs (which he has all the right to have) he was incredibly callous and immature. He represented his side incredibly poorly.
Instantly clicked 👏
I had to serve in the Israeli military, and I couldn't be more anti-zionist. But Ramses is being reductive, as I used to be. The fact is that there's an entire system to incentive you to commit to a military career at a very young age. And especially social incentives, not just the financial one. So there are entire communities in Israel where the only realistic way to climb the social ladder is through the military. Or die trying.
Oh, and they absolutely use cult tactics to turn you into a "good soldier".
Hi, I appreciate your perspective! As a Palestinian I haven’t heard a lot of perspectives of people who were in the Israeli army, but not for it (if that makes sense). And I knew it was mandatory to join, but I didn’t know it had a big part of the social ladder, so I appreciate this comment and insight!
I think he understands that…which is why people questioning him falling for an ex military girl in the first place falls flat. What he’s saying is now that you’ve seen the light as an adult woman with financial options and a broader understanding of what the military does, if you go back, it raises questions of moral misalignment.
@@Nour-mx2qsyou’re comment made me emotional! it’s so refreshing hearing these kind of conversations, especially as an anti-zionist jew. i almost never see conversations go like this.
free palestine ❤ 🇵🇸
@@justcallmebon2684 this!!! It’s why he kept emphasizing as long as it in her past he’s okay with it. It feels like she still wants to go back/ at the very least be involved in some capacity maybe fundraising/training. I understand him having a problem with that.
To Monica, gifts represent financial stability. She was trying to say that financial security is important to her, which is something Stephen seemed to lack.
how do flowers represent financial stability…..
how do flowers represent financial stability….
I'm currently in the reserves. I'm not very patriotic and I don't display any military pride. I joined because I wasn't satisfied with my civilian job and was looking for more meaning and opportunity that I believed I'd get by joining the Navy. My experience has been about my unit, the team, and looking out for my fellow Sailors. I follow lawful orders and I don't question it because we really can't do anything but follow them. I think Ramses criticism should be directed at the politicians, Congress, Generals/Admirals, etc. that are making the decisions and not the troops. There are many reasons why someone might join the military
I feel as though Ramses is very staunch in his values and principles that he is unrelenting and unwilling to see another side, like he doesn't want to question that he might not have the full picture or consider that he could be wrong about things. Given what we know about his background and the comments he's made, I do see where he is coming from. I just hope that people keep an open mind and consider there are things they might not know.
I think it’d be good to make a separate video about Tim. I’d love to see all of the information in one place lol 😂 Seeing little bits everywhere about him feels confusing. I’m also not wanting to encourage people to do something wild (as people on the internet often do lol) like looking up info or images of his kids b/c regardless of the situation they didn’t sign up for this, so I haven’t done any research on my own.
Alsooooooo, to be fair, if it wasn’t a big deal I think Tim would have said something in the pods &/or they would have included it in his “character backstory” but they didn’t & up until now he hasn’t said anything about it. If it’s not that complicated/he wasn’t anticipating a negative response he would have named it sooner. If he was trying to protect his kids then don’t sign up for reality tv.
Tim or Tyler?
Tyler
Yall talk too much so you miss stuff 😂Monica was mad because she asked Steven to come watch the fireworks with her. He motioned that he would but instead continued to talk with Garrett and finish their conversation instead. Then she was standing with her friend looking around at some of the other couples having a cute moment watching the fireworks together and got mad. But she was being completely unreasonable to me imo. I don't blame him, he probably wanted a break from her. I didn't like her attitude and that passive aggressive mess is a no for me. She's been berating him nonstop (first snapping at him for talking, then yelling at him about flowers, etc.) And then she was trashing him behind his back saying he's "scared of her" as if she was proud of it. Why would you want your partner who you love to be "scared" of you? She is an entire mess.
Agree. I do not appreciate her talking trash about him and when he comes to ask if all IS good, she is not straight about it.
Watch the rest of the episodes and let’s see your opinion 🤣
They also said she did a good job scout the gift convo but it became materialistic when monica said what she wants is ysl and more expensive gifts
Her edit gave me a lot of flags for codependency tbh.
I see codependency as the need to not just control your own emotions and reactions in a situation, but other's emotions and reactions as well. So, people pleasing, or being cold and bossy. Both are controlling the other person's reaction (often for altruistic reasons).
The direct and coldness sometimes with Monica, her willingness to over-give and provide financially, idk. Wishing the best for her and her future!
Monica: my love language is words of affirmation...also stfu😂
The military argument was so uncomfortable. Ramses was so rigid in a way that didn’t allow him to see her human experience and complicated feelings about the topic. How can she unpack and process her military experience if she’s married to someone who can’t even see her? The only option for her is to either not talk about it, or just completely agree with everything he says.
I’m so tired of Marissa’s military talk! Omg, give it a break!!! Doesn’t she have anything else to talk about. How about giving your fiancée a chance to talk once in awhile!
….Monica literally asked Stephen to go out to watch the fireworks with her, but he decided his conversation with his bro was a bigger priority. Which is just inconsiderate, especially after the conversation they had previously.
What did Ramses expected though? her whole personality is being in the military, in the pods she talked about it non stop...like bro??? and SPECIALLY sus since the other guy was also military and it would be a great fit for her, I feel like he just wanted to "win" her over the Ukraine dude and go on a vacation.
I keep refreshing for the other 2 episodes come out so I can see your faces. Watch them please!
I think there's also a misconception when it comes to foreigners who feel that way about US military looking Our soldiersIn that America is seen as this incredibly wealthy country and even if you are not from a wealthy family in the country In that America is seen as this incredibly wealthy country and even if you are not from a wealthy family in this country it's viewed as the land of opportunity if you're just willing to work hard And I don't think a lot of them realize A lot of people And to have And to have a chance to succeed. A lot of kids especially minorities who join the military are coming from areas where the only ways to make it out are usually if you're an athlete or an entertainer and beyond that often the best you can hope for is a government job very much including the military because that's a guarantee wait a college. Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their stations but that of their family is well and the Alexa foreigners don't quite understand how big the socio economic and wage gaps in this country are that would make that many people that desperate enough to into improve not just their own lives and their stations but that of their family is as well as the military is sold to be a very effective and positive means of doing that. I am the wife daughter sister niece and granddaughter of veterans and I can tell you 1st hand That it doesn't go unnoticed Bye A lot of People who are in relationships or have children With active duty or veterans It's very obvious to you just how much money is spent specifically Selling the idea of the American dream to the youth to a degree that is honestly predatory. The exact same way you'll see people like moms for liberty avidly fighting to force Christianity into public schools The military however is fully allowed to go in and recruit kids who aren't even 18 years old yet to make this crazy decision and make this massive commitment because this sold a really great and goal and dream and a sense of adventure and accomplishment and pride.... And we all in the name of patriotism just sort of look the other way When it comes to the potential danger joining up holes because we're not actively at war America has the most powerful and wealthy military in the world so we tend not to think of ourself or our troops being in any form of consistent immediate danger. Very much gives me the impression As open and receptive as he is maybe he hasn't seen a lot of what poverty looks like in America and how the military has essentially marketed itself is a solution to that poverty for decades namely because it's probably their second most effective ad campaign short of Black and white granny photos of 911 being played at republic domain patriotic music...
The Marissa /Ramses conversation was fascinating to watch. While I certainly understand his POV, as someone who has traveled outside of the US, I appreciate my life in the US and all the freedoms that it comes with. Yes, there is much to criticize when it comes to the US and our politics - but compared to other governments, we are blessed.
Which government? The Danish, Swiss, Estonian, Portuguese? I'm so confused with the US thinking it's THE country of freedom, when women's bodies are controlled by old dudes in how many of the 50 states?
As someone coming from a small country and having traveled around the world EVERY country has pros and cons.
Interesting enough someone from Norway said lately that even though they had a right-wing government for the past period, it's still paradise compared to the US - the worst government in Norway wouldn't take away free health care, paid maternal & paternal leave, unemployment benefits .. etc.
So wherever you're coming from - it always gives you a different perspective on what's a blessing.
@doktordivine , Are you ok? No where in my comment did I say that the US is "the country of freedom," in fact I said there is much to criticize when it comes to the US and its politics. As for myself, saying that I feel blessed living in the US, is my version of practicing gratitude.
@@doktordivinealso comparing small countries that are the size of some of our state’s population to the U.S. that has a 33x or greater population isn’t rationale. Sure those very small countries may have some elements the U.S. doesn’t but a big part of that is the enormous size and population of the country. And left be right wing politics are different based on regions. European right wing is not the same as U.S. right wing.
Oh come on Monica has three love languages? Pick one girl, you can’t expect everything. Of course I don’t excuse his behaviour later on but it was just funny how she said that.
I can safely say Hannah grew on me on these latest episodes
I love this season for showing important conversations. Re: the military conversation, I'm completely on his side, difference between me and him is that I wouldn't even be in a relationship with someone who is or was in the military. Politics, religion and how someone sees gonder roles is where I refuse to bend my views when it comes to relationships.
Taylor and Garrett have been my favs from the beginning, I'm happy go see them get some love. I liked and still like Ramses and Marissa's relationship but I have some concerns.
I really liked Ashley and Tyler but now they're down there with the couples I'm not rooting for. Love Ashley, though.
I'm probably the only one who dislikes Nick more than Hannah. Dont get me wrong, Hannah isnt great, I dont like the way she talks to Nick.
Monica and Stephen.. oh boy. Monica loving that her man is scared of her is weird. I dont get why she was mad he didnt watch fireworks with her. I dont even like flowers but understand why she's annoyed about the flowers thing. Stephen is just weird and needs to stop saying " Yeah, you're right".
Tim and Alex I dont care for. I really dont like Tim, I liked Alex until she put her hand on his mouth.
When it comes to the military conversation and what soldiers do during war, this can be parallel to the Stanford prison experiment where when an individual steps into a role of authority in society, they become that persona and it’s less of them and more of the role.
The military is non partisan. So anyone living in this great country and benefitting from the liberties and freedoms only given due to volunteers protecting the sovereignty of the nation should not critique the DoD. Critique your appointed politicians and yourselves for voting them in or not even doing anything at all.
Thank you for sharing your content.
Have you considered watching an entire episode and then giving your reaction? It's funny because you will have a big discussion about something and then 2 minutes later it will be meaningless.
ok i’m up
Its is such a weird position for Ramses to be judgemental on imo. He is so progressive but i don't see it much different than people steal or doing other not-so-good things to make it or to feed their family. Judging individuals who "voluntary" became a soilder, stripper or thief (or whatever you feel is morally corrupt) the same as the system that put them in that position is weird. They all individually fuel negative shit in our global community, but some people aren't handed all the cards need to even get the starting line. We can support the individuals because they are people too and not make them feel less than or judged because of their past. Focus on progressive helpful things and opportunities to stop more individuals from going down a morally corrupt route.
Can you please discuss the sex comment too? How do you all feel about a men demanding their girl to take birth control? I watched the whole thing waiting for this discussion. I thought this was shocking coming from this “liberal” guy.
Not to be a spoiler but Ashley doesn’t find out about the kids until episode 9😬
Rambo is from Venezuela where it is mandatory to serve when you are over 18. If he hates American Imperialism so much why not go back home and take real action to liberate the world like a man? Talk is cheap dude. And the lowest form of action. 😂😂
Here we must enlist in the army. In my opinion it makes you mature and change the meaning of life.
We have one country and it is our duty to serve and protect her 🇮🇱
Personally I met my husband in the army in 1997 and we got married in 2019.
oh, yikes…
A lot of reactors initially thought taylor and Garrett were boring
Notebook status 21:00 💞 🥹