How to start Napoleonic British
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- We continue our series on how to get started in 28mm Napoleonic Wargaming with the second half of the Waterloo set, the British! A much shorter video than the French one, that's not because it's a worse set, in fact quite the opposite!
I was going to photograph my minis as per the French one, but realised, I don't actually own any Warlord British! They hadn't made any when I started my collection, so sorry about that!
Please remember I'll be taking August off, but we've one more video before the break and I cannot wait to get back!
Thanks as ever for all your support, this channel wouldn't exist without you guys.
Tim
Can you make a video explaining how younger gamers like myself can find games or just interact with the hobby more as it may be harder for people that aren't in the same generation as the majority of historical gamers
there is a waterloo British starter army now which is cool
I was thinking of starting with 4x14 man boxes of light dragoons With 4 commands of 2 men each. Plus a Calvary gun and basis. I would be just pulling one of the commanders out to act as a brigade commander initially.
my 2nd 100 would include 2 more guns for the Calvary battery A second base gun and the primary alternative that you talked about on the peninsula campaign video. A Highlander Box, a British Box and 3 commands squads to make most of the highlanders into 3 batalians of light infantry. Plus a Box of senior officers and A regiment of dragoons guards.
Just me from the future.... definitely take his advice. The Brits are my favorite so it's what I started off with a year or so ago when I first started in Napoleonics. I just went and bought a bunch of stuff and the selections I made were so all over and unorganized it was awful. So I found this channel and it's been like my bible ever since. I got the Brits with his suggestions and since then I've played with just the units from this video and it was perfect...not exaggerating this is the perfect way to start in my opinion. I can't speak to the french since I haven't started them but I've used these videos for starting my Prussian and Russians and again they were great. Long story short if you're new and at the point I was at last year then I definitely suggest using his how to start series if not exactly then I'd stick very close to it and I promise you guys won't regret it...take it from a guy who was just completely lost before I watched these
Thays lovely of you to say dude, thank you so much. More importantly, I'm glad they helped!
Ive really enjoyed this apart from the highlanders ive just finished 60 victrix too much tarten lol,but seriously this was so good
Hahaha. I did 24 Argyle's and I know I need to do at least another 12 as they paraded over 800 men in the peninsular. I've got the minis, but they somehow keep dropping to the bottom of the painting pile 😂
@@colonel.halberstern5893 thanks for the kind words! My editing is super ropey, and thank you for the offer, but that would require me to actually be organized! I'm spending this month off looking at a few visual effects, dont expect Inception, but hopefully itll be a little more visually interesting in the future
Nice going Tim. You're putting these out faster than I can comment. Sort of wish I'd have had your recommendations when I first started but on the other hand I really prefer the much more animated figures I had available at the time with an employee discount from the game shop I was working at then. They're mostly Old Glory metals, which require a lot of clean up before painting. They're all French because, for some reason that's what was on the discount table (even more discounts) but I've painted them up as Swiss & Irish for a bit more color. The point is that regardless of the subject matter, I just love listening & watching your videos as I'm painting or modeling my army. Even if I've scene them before 2 or three times, I can learn something or laugh at something new. By the which, how about a review of the new Warlord Prussian Cavalry or Perry's new Austrian Cavalry. The Perry's look an easy conversion for Russian Cuirassiers, I know you've got a Russian Army. Oh, probably my favorite Napoleonic personality, that I can't find hardly any info on, here in darkest America, Marshal Lanne, Please, please, oh pretty please? I know you like him too? Hugs, from the wilds of Texas.
Tha ks for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying them, and yeah its definitely a possibility. I've been thinking of doing more reviews, but we'll see.
Marshal Lannes might be in a future series on the marshals, not planning it for now, but never say never!
@@NapoleonicWargaming Another vote for our favorite cannonball catcher Jean Lannes!
I think for the britts, absolute best start is perrys brigade deal. For 83 pounds you get 144 line infantryman (6 batalions), 22 riflemen (16 plastic plus 6 command), canon and pack of commanders. You get flags, bases for infantry in it. Then you can expand as you want, especially becouse you can build them as peninsular ones and add portugese for varation
I agree, its a great set. I was trying to do from an expansion of Waterloo so unfortunately that would have been out of our budget. When we get on to the other nations, expect to see those perry deals!
@@NapoleonicWargaming can't wait for those! I also wait for video about how to attack in black powder
You mention in this video that some of the British infantry would have to have Hanoverian heads - this could be avoided if assembly is planned out correctly, because the British sprues contain extra heads. This is what I'm going to do. I'll have the British half of the Waterloo set in a week or so, and I'll order command packs before I start assembling the Hanoverian unit. :)
Ah even better! I didnt realise they had spare heads, perfect!
@@NapoleonicWargaming Yes, the "British Line Infantry" sprue has 5 men and 7 heads, but one head doesn't have any hat, and the first head in the sprue has a severed bandaged eye.
I like these videos, just picked up the Waterloo box about two weeks ago to start my foray into Black Powder so these have been helpful!
Very interesting to see how you would build this force.
Thank you!
Great overview and introduction. It’s actually pretty impressive what you can get for your money when you plan it out carefully. Sadly, that rarely happens in reality. 😂
Tell me about it! 😂
Thank you for another great video.
I got my self some Highlanders as well and the Union brigade kit also. It is interesting to see that the choices for expansion of the starterset is so similar.
So for me it was the british side of the Waterloo box.
Then he Warlordgames highlanders.
Followed by the Union brigade kit build as Dragoons.
And two ,ounted officers.
Great video. Going to have to binge watch the rest. I have sets for both French and British for Peninsular and Waterloo. I think what I have really found most daunting is choosing the correct regiments and finding out both their correct colours and uniforms on deployment. As mine are more collections than game pieces I am hoping to narrow down what should be contained in each army and the correct units for the two periods. Just purchased some more Vitrix as well to add to my formations. So much grey......
Hahaha. There is! For many people the research is the joy, that's another reason Naps has such broad interest
Great video mate, thanks! Very similar to the boxes I've used for my British force having started with the Waterloo box and then adding a Waterloo starter army (1st Ed BP, I think) and some Highlanders as well. We're playing Bataille Empire rather than BP though.
Great update with lots of useful info for starters!
Thanks bud. I hope so!
i have a lot of 1/72 figures i would like you to do a show using 1/72 like this for fr and br
Great video, one small thing I would change is the Hanoverian command. I got the Perry command unit for the warlord Hanoverian s and found they were noticably smaller beside each other. I would just grab the warlord command unit from warlord to match
Good to know!
Newline designs is having a 25% off sale for their 25th anniversary. Don't know how long the sale will go on.
Oooh thanks for the heads up! My Trojans might be about to get serious reinforcements!
Not my scale but gorgeous figures...and, of course, fantastic army to paint and tio play with!
I’m listening
Its a bloody good time to start this year as the release Of Dutch/French Lancers , Austrian cavalry Russian Uhlans and Prussian cavalry
And Spanish Infantry!
another great video, however not having bought any warlord British dragoons I would make this observation only the Scots Greys wear the bearskin headgear the other heavy dragoons wear a helmet with a horsehair crest. Maybe you get the headwear options on the sprues.hopefully.
Yeah you do.
I bought the British Peninsula starter army and thought of combining these with some perry's British to provide some variety of poses - particularly for the light companies when skirmishing, any thoughts?
Is it possible to make a video about the figure quality of different manufacturers. Keep up the great content greetings from germany.
Thanks bud. Its something I've avoided because it has the potential to upset people if they see me as critical of their favourite. Never say never, but honestly I think the best mini is the one you like! Afterall, you're the one that has to paint it!
I wish there were some options for 3d printing out there, would love to print a big army at home.
I agree, but keep checking weekly, so many new files are being created daily
Late reply I know but recently I saw some Napoleonic French up on Wargaming 3D plus Napoleonic Ottomans (random I know) up online as well 👍🏻
@@aledcharles16 i think i know the ones you mean. Theres an active kickstarter thats nearly over called 'Europe Asunder' too if you are a fellow 3d printer.
Thanks for replying.
@@Gold_Bug Nice thanks I’ll look them up 👍🏻
Great video, very helpfull. Thank you mate.
great news the warlord spanish infantry box sets are coming out Friday!
Not great for my wallet!
Funny thing they where being sold on eBay before even officialy released on there website
The Perry Division ( www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=66_68&products_id=2548 ) and two boxes of perry calvary come in under $200 pounds and would give you 12 24 man battalions, 32 rifleman, 3 cannons, a lot of officers, and two units of horsemen.
Personally I would not bother with the Warlord cavalry, I think it is worth paying the extra for some Perry metal heavy dragoons which are a lot better, you cant beat Perry's for cavalry imo
I agree, the perry ones are lovely. In this case if starting out I'd make an exception, but personally I'd want to swap them out
I love your videos, only recently started watching and I've been bingeing them. You mentioned having 36 man french battalions, and used 24 man battalions for your british video. Do you have any British, and if so how many do you have in each battalion? I'd like to go for 36 man french, and was wondering if 24 brits is an appropriate size, or whether 36 would be better. Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words!
I do have a British army, the one in the battle reports is mine. I use 24 man battalions for the Brits except the guard who are a large regiment at 32.
For the Frenxh I fo 36 man units for a few reasons, the first is that it makes organisation easier, 6 bases of 6, with one base being a company making the painting of the pom poms easier! Secondly, because they have the same uniform (particularly the collars and cuffs are all red) if you play someone that uses 24 man battalions, just take 2 bases off, combine them with the spare 2 bases from a second battalion and you've got another unit of 24!
@@NapoleonicWargaming Ah fantastic, thanks! I'm planning on 36 for the french so that will work out nicely. Thanks for the great advice!
Really enjoyed this video. I'm currently building a British force and anxiously awaiting the arrival of a portion of the Hougomont Hovels model that is tremendous. Admittedly I've just started the Black Powder rulebook and the way it's laid out, it's not initially clear to me how the smaller units/skirmishers are used within the ruleset. A number of the gameplay videos I've watched are using primarily battalion size units. As I tend to buy and paint before playing, what section of the rulebook covers the use of skirmishers/small units such as the KGL you recommend buying here? Just need a pointer. Best regards!
It's a cool model and no mistake!
The rules for tiny and small units arent great imo, they operate like regular units just worth lower stats. I think for stuff like rifles they should get driven off by cavalry charges etc, instead of forming squares. You can get the situation where a square of 60 rifleman is holding off 360 cuirassiers! 😂
Page 64 (in the mini rulebook at least) deals with skirmishers and charging
@@NapoleonicWargaming thanks!!
Now we have the Napoleonic British Starter set at Waterloo... Now, how would u change this video?
That's a good question! I might have to do a new video! :D
Really enjoying you're getting started series. Picked up the Black Powder starter set however split between the Waterloo era and the Peninsula War. Are there units for the two armies that can be used for both and are there any differences other than the Helmet type for the British?
Nah, its basically just the hats (in the Peninsular officers wore bicornes not shakoes). The French are all completely transferrable.
Tbh mate, I use my guys for whatever, the french got rid of their bicornes by 1808, but I still use them for 1814. Similarly carabiniers only got their armour in 1812, but I use them as 1805 cuirassiers. I'm far more about get what you've got on the table and roll dice than I am concerned about who had what hat or number of buttons on their cuff
Cheers. Going to get a couple of the Perry boxes and see how it goes. Always been put of by things like the right uniform and basing, your vids really helping.
@@David_R434 good to hear bud! Honestly, I wouldnt worry too much, it's very easy to get put off, but I've never seen anyone say 'those are the wrong hats, I'm not playing you!' And if they do, I'm sure if have wanted to play those guys anyway... ;)
Hi Great set of videos any chance of having a few demo games with these armies
Not gonna lie...that's an awesome idea!
With age setting in and eye to match, I regret going for 20mm instead of the 28mm miniatures, but I am not sure if a 28mm historical army would fit on a table.
Just buy a magnifier visor or lens on a goosearm. I'm 60 years old and have no regrets going for 20 mm. There are more choices than 28mm and they're much cheaper. Plus they fit easier on any tabletop. Shame that gamers are divided between the various sizes.
I do occasionally play 20mm too. The stuff Zvezda put out is easily as good as the best 28mm imo
@@davidcollins2648 All my 20mm Napoleonics are from AB miniatures here in Australia, got to support your local!
I bought 3 collapsible catering type tables ( bad description I imagine ) and put them side by side and its big enough
@@hobbywargamer8195 - AB is 18mm rather than 20mm. In any case, very few figures are produced in 20mm: most are 23mm or 24mm, and even the smallest (by Airfix) are around 22mm.
Designation of scales for minis has always been a bit daft. Nominally 1/72 scale = 6 feet to 1 inch (25.4mm), so your average 19th-century soldier should stand at 23mm to 23.5mm, measured not to the eyes but to the top of the head.
Nice video, any chance for 'how to start Napoleonic Prussians'?
There certainly will be!
Just a thought (as it seems I've been voluntold to start Napoleonics, or at least I can't quite let it go), could you do a follow up/part 2 for one who wants to start British in the Peninsula (or at least earlier than 1815)? Or is that left as an exercise to the viewer? :p
I will, I think it's unfair to do a second for an army when all the armies haven't been covered. They have now (sort of) so tune in this Sunday for a 2nd one for a nation (not british just yet though ;) )
@@NapoleonicWargaming That's fair, best to be equal. Although you could perhaps do one for the "Portugese" (what do you mean, it's 75% brits?) :p Nah, I'm just being silly
@@NapoleonicWargaming Being bored, and inspired by the Starting Portuguese video, I decided to nail down a way to start peninsular British. It helped that I found the Perry Army deals... Would love to bounce ideas off of you, since I have no experience with Black Powder yet, but here's one way to do it:
First Month:
Perry D21 British Brigade Deal - 4 plastic box sets of British Napoleonic Infantry (144 Line infantry, 16 Riflemen) 1 pack of colonels, 1 pack of Royal Foot Artillery, 1 pack of Rifle command. - £83
Quick math says that these will provide enough bodies for 6 battalions at 24 strong, since the Perrys tend to run large, just missing command. But they also do nice, cheap, single command sprues, so...
2x Perry B20 British Napoleonic command sprue 1808-1815 - single sprue - £10
And being a bit cheeky, we'll also nab some cavalry command while we're direct ordering.
Perry B43 Napoleonic Britsh Light Dragoon command - £4
Total £97
(+bases, so going a bit over this month)
Second Month, and when we stop just buying Perry plastics):
Perry BH 90 Napoleonic British Light Dragoons 1808-15 - £20
At 14 strong, Perry cavalry is also almost enough for 2 units, so adding the command from the first month rounds it out nicely.
Victrix British Napoleonic Foot Artillery - £21
Also, who doesn't love lots of cannons? And in plastic...
Warlord Mounted Napoleonic British Infantry Colonels (Peninsular War) - £8 (ish)
I'm uncertain how much command figures is "good", but you went with 5 in the video, so 5 is what I go for.
2x Warlord Napoleonic Portuguese Line Infantry - £40
And while we're at Warlord, might as well grab 2 units of Portuguese for some variety among the PBI (or we could go Victrix Highlanders, for half the price, if we're like that)
Total: £89
Add in the £13,45 for bases, and we average out just under the £100, even if the first month is probably a bit over.
All of it, losely inspired by 3rd Division, too ;) (even if I couldn't find any good portuguese plastic cavalry :p )
great show! love napoleonics! i myself am running a napoleonic campaign, which is called napoleon's last war, and which re-creates the massive invasion of france AFTER the 100 days. yes indeed, 800 thousand allied troops are on their way in, and it is quite the story. most people have not heard much about these battles. yet, there is a whole war after waterloo. whether he wins or loses there, that is just the start! i use dba-ish/house rules, and the battles can be quite large. if interested, please check me out at hoser house rules. look for the postings with the "napoleon's last war" subtitle. keep gaming!
I will!
Could you get the peninsular campaign starter set and just paint the pants gray? Or does it just not fit Waterloo?
They had different shakoes at Waterloo too. I mean, ultimately you could do. Or, get a Peninsular War force! Imo they're more interesting than Waterloo as well!
@@NapoleonicWargaming thank you sir! Finally, you often say “battalion”. Do you mean regiment? I was thinking of 24 man line infantry regiments
@@jd.3493 most armies had 2, 3 or even as many as 6 battalions in 1 regiment. The British usually only had one in the field so regiment and battalion are pretty interchangeable for the Brits. Usually though, for infantry a Black Powder unit is a battalion
@@jd.3493 but yeah, 24 man units is perfect!
1st choose army 2nd pay up 3rd regret 4th repeat
The circle of life!
1st choose army
2nd sell a kidney to purchase chosen army
3rd receive the order and gush over it
4th realize the size of your ordered army and that you don't have enough time to finish painting and basing it let alone play with it on the tabletop.
(I have 3000 20mm Napoleonic miniatures still needing to be painted, so I know!)
@@hobbywargamer8195 3,000 should keep you busy for a couple of years. Have enough on hand you might become immortal! I'm in the same boat as you with Russian, Prussian and British armies still awaiting paint.
@@davidcollins2648 I also have unpainted 5 armies from 40k and US and German armies from Bolt action....all up that roughly 4000+ miniatures.
@@hobbywargamer8195 Like myself I'd bet you haven't stopped buying more. My heirs will either love me or curse me when I'm gone.
Ironic that the highlanders are best value for money
What do I have to roll to be as wealthy as the Rothchilds?
So dose victrix work with warlord?
Yeah, I combine them freely
@@NapoleonicWargaming right I wasnt to sure I just picked up a flank company and wasnt too sure how to use it for black powder
is it possible to use Perry Austrian cavalry for Russian cuirassiers
I wouldn't personally. The Austrians only have a breastplate not a back piece and a low helmet rather than the tall Russian one. What you could do is paint then as Austrians and say the battle is in the 1805 campaign, or if later it's a brigade that served with them then and just stayed with the Russians
Which game it is?
Well all my videos are designed around Black Powder, but this video should work for all rulesets really
Who are the jocks? (asks the American)
Ha sorry! Scottish
Yes we English call the Scots Jocks, its not an insult, Jock was a common male name in Scotland, just like Paddy is a common term for an Irishman, its used by Irish people too. Its not an insult either.
The Scots (and some Irish) used to call the English ‘Sassenachs’, which is slightly derogatory. It derives from the Old English for Saxons. Don’t know how common it is today. Suspect they have some rather more colourful terms now. Like Jock and Paddy it’s regarded as low intensity jibing, and not considered offensive (except by those ‘anointed’ ones who get offended at everything).
*laughs in 6mm*