As a former DirecTV installer, here's a tip for those who are planning on drilling and pulling the wire through your wall. Drill from the inside of your house to the outside. That way your hole will be right where you want it to be and no guessing when drilling from outside to the in. Just be aware of what is on the outside of your wall so you're not hitting any pipes, electrical, gas lines, etc.
I agree on wood and vinyl sided house, but not brick like Jeff's. You will punch the facing off the brick if you're not careful. They even teach you to drill outside-in on brick.
@@MaxDad7 You just have to go a little slower with the masonry bit as you get closer to the outside of the brick. I've only had one minor blow out on brick when drilling from inside to outside. The flange of the coax wall bushing covered up a large portion of the blowout. But with Dishy, obviously there's no bushing to cover any blowouts.
Also for others and Jeff: Before making the installment of the cables permanent ... TEST THAT THING! (I mean function testing on the roof, not that test on your beautiful lawn.) That is some slightly altered version of "from temporary to permanent" than yours, zambonidriver42:)
@@alc5440 If only I could afford an editor... :D But I *do* want to say an extra thanks to my brilliant sister/camera-person for her great work! The OSHA violations TikTok was her idea (I was just going to add a counter, but the Wonka song is so much better).
Love the video. Couple of notes: 1) prevailing edge, homey. 2) sawdust will always be in if you hit the plywood backing of the shingles (which you did) 3) rotate the mount 90º and you'll have a better chance at getting double studs 4) carry roofing caulk to seal around the mount and the holes to fight future leaks.
For the sawdust note, I cut it in the edit, but I was definitely in solid wood for the full length of the bit on the center holes and the right side holes. The left side I felt air beyond the roofing plywood sheathing. It's not something easy to convey visually... but if you drill into a thousand studs you know when you're in wood versus air :) The studs in my attic look to be 24" apart (definitely 16" or more, though I haven't gone up and measured them since I normally am working on projects on my ceiling from above, and not up on the roof), so turning the mount sideways wouldn't have helped reach more than one stud. I'm guessing the stud on that edge of the roof is a double-stud being on the edge of the attic space. Honestly I have not been in the part of the attic that juts out over that part of the house, so I can't say for certain :)
Flannel Jeff: What looks most professional? Internet: You could let it follow the drain pipe.....ooooor you could just let it go across something white where it's highly visible, that's great too.
The best video I have seen on this subject. You include start to finish, the whole nine yards. Really appreciate your technique and humor as well. Very well done. Thank you.
I used to work for Dish so I wanted to check your install, and see what they provided in the kit. It's good to see them provide bishop tape (pitch patch as we call it) for sealing the roof from your lag holes. Those big rectangle patches alone are plenty to seal the roof, but the others are provided for peace of mind I guess. I recommend most people to work off of a ladder if they plan to do their installs and not be on the roof like Jeff is. The easiest way to find a rafter is to be at the gabled end of your roof and measure your overhang, then take that measurement and apply it to the top of your roof, then add an extra inch to inch and a half to account for your siding, foam board, plywood, etc. You don't have to be at the peak of your roof like Jeff either. You can put it anywhere down the roof line if you have the line of sight. You won't gain any advantage being higher up. Always pre-drill your holes! Don't just ram the lags or you will split the wood and won't have as good of a hold. Don't overtighten your outer lags as they will most likely be in plywood and will spin out. Once you start seeing the pitch patch squeeze out from under the mount, you are tight and good to go. EDIT: I finished watching the video and you did a great job! A fine job getting the hole into your house drilled out properly, and a good idea using a rubber stopper as a grommet (I would have just filled the hole with gasket sealer since that's what we used. LOL) I felt better once you realized fastening the cable to the front of the fascia was easier and better, and utilizing the downspout to zip tie the cable is what is easiest. Also good service loops (drip loops) and explaining to the viewers the importance of them.
Thanks. You complemented this video well with your tips. Good to remember that, with proper clearance, one don’t have to climb to the apex of the roof (not much closer to the satellites 😉).
Most professional installers like myself, would use 25mm (1 inch) conduit and flexi conduit to mechanically protect the cable and also helps in sealing the penetration to the house, and the usual silicone sealer
I was planning on doing that, but was too nervous about the ID of 1" conduit, if the just-more-than-3/4" ferrule would fit (though it sounds like flexible conduit is better for exterior penetrations?). Honestly that was the one part of this job I couldn't find a good guide on online-e.g. what exact conduit to use, how to manage the connections, etc. (I could've just been searching the wrong terms.) Also the grommet I installed over on that corner of the house looks a thousand times better than the holes for both AT&T and Spectrum's drop into the house 😞 - I wish more of the contractors who route cables into people's homes would care to do a more professional job.
@@JeffGeerling so you have around a month to get an idea how to protect the instalation when he comes out. Better don't turn your back on him on that day.
The "ferrule" thing on the cable is an EMI filter made of ferrous ceramic, a cased in plastic. It prevents EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) from being conducted on the outer shield of the cable and acting like a radiating antenna.
as well, it will restricts the passage of current surges produced during a lightning storm... I would peal out the cable and connect the shield to a good ground... before going into the house
@@soulrobotics That would be a very bad idea. Using a DC coupled ground is never a good idea in this scenario, as it would cause the cable and "dish" to attract lightning much more. There are LAN cable lightning protectors specifically for this purpose. They use a gas-discharge spark gap device that does not have a direct connection to ground, but rather a small gap arcs over in the presence of a fast increasing voltage difference... shunting the surge to ground. The ferrite EMI filter has no effect on current surges, only RF frequencies.
yeah that cable should definitely be detachable so that you dont need to drill such a huge hole and also so that you can have exactly the length of cable you need :D
It's just a cat6 cable nothing spectacular. Add a grey pvc electrical box on outside of house with a slot in the lowest side for wire. Then run a cat 6 patch cord from there inside home to wherever is needed eezy peezy
@@timmattingly2250 Just use a Coupler or RJ45 jack installed on the wire inside the box. There's RJ45 coupler Keystone jacks and a coverplate for the inside if you wanna try and DIY with a store bought Cat6 patch cable. Or find a low voltage installer to run the line for you. Label the jack on the inside so it's obvious where it goes or what it's for. Ideally it's a home run line, so it goes to 1 location by breaker panel or a utility area where all future lines run to.
This video was awesome thank you! I like that you leave in the messy details unlike others that go for production value. What worked for me for entering the house was to remove a section of soffet temporarily and drill through the wall above the brick. This of course brings the cable in upstairs but I like having the router up high. Since I live on a hill, It gives me better reception out in the garden.
I recommend what the DirecTV installers use, a Bishops/Mastic tape, a full sheet under the footpath, makes an great seal as it grabs the lags and is pulled into the hole and the foot plate is basically welded to to the roof shingles...
Reminds me of Jerry Pournelle's BYTE column... "I do these things so you don't have to!" Thanks, Jeff! I'm watching your satellite internet adventures with great interest.
As a former dish installer, you don't need to mount it high on the roof. That extra 10 feet wont give you meaningful signal. Mounting it lower means that any leak is has MUCH less potential for damage.
I disagree. I have installed multi thousand HN, VS, WISP & tv dishes. If I can not install above an unoccupied area then I go high so I have a smaller watershed. Lower is easier but higher is better in my book...once SL opens in this area I will be installing them too....
Nice job. The one thing you didn't do (or at least didn't show doing) that I would have really recommended was to set up Dishy on your roof for testing it in that specific location before making it a permanent install. A week or so should be plenty. Even though the app shows where you need clear views, the system seems sensitive to even minor obstructions and doesn't always match what the augmented reality check from the app shows. It's worth it to try moving it to a few locations to see if one might be better than the others before going with the permanent install.
Honestly I started off with two Makita power tools back in the day. Then since a couple friends had DeWalt tools, I slowly started switching. I don't have any particular fondness for DeWalt, but it's a lot easier buying tools in one system so the batteries can go wherever (since they're the most expensive part of most systems, sheesh!). I was lucky that my DeWalt journey started with one of their first 20V MAX drills, so I jumped from Makita 18V NiCad to DeWalt 20V (heh, 18v really) Lithium Ion batteries, and it was a huge difference in terms of power output and longevity. That, and I accidentally made my Makita release its magic smoke drilling a bunch of 3/4" holes through 2x4s.
Always drill from inside out - always. If concerned about blowing out a divot in brick for example, use a 3/8" bit first then go outside and drill larger hole from out there there. Also a masonry bit will drill just fine thru wood, a lot slower but less time than screwing around switching bits. I have installed thousands of dishes
I was an installer for Dish network and Direct TV for years and never used that black butyl sealant on any of the roofs that I installed dishes on we just filled the holes with silicone and then ran a bead of sealant around the foot and over the tops of the lag bolts that we screwed into the roof and never had a leak on any of the jobs I was on. That sealant stuff that they gave you is for use both under and on top of the foot you installed on the roof the smaller pieces are to be placed on the bolt heads and pressed down all around the bolt to prevent water from running down around the head of the bolt and following the threads into the roof and the sheets are to go under the foot before the lags are screwed into the roof. If you have ever taken the inner panel off your car to install new speakers you would have seen the same black sticky material holding the plastic water shield on the inside skin of the door. The black material is called Butyl tape it is a very sticky type of rubber and is semi self healing therefore providing a water barrier between the dish you are installing and the roof material.
Great video as always! I think this is the first DIY install video I watched without speeding through it 😂 You are worth supporting for all your nerd-relatable content. I’m also glad you mentioned the “drip loop.” Water damage can take awhile to become apparent and will sneak into your house anyway it can.
Nice to see a start to finish video for an install. It's all the little things not mentioned in the manual that give you pause, and ask "How is it supposed to be done?" And making a mid-install change on the cabel ties is a nice example of this. (Did you go back and caulk those holes? ;) ) Having an older circa 1910 home myself, that's 2 stories tall, with 45 degree pitched roof would make a rooftop install a "Bad Idea" and I would decide to just add a mounting pole in the yard and run the cable underground instead. Also, good to see you outside doing all the things, showing that even with your 'condition' you can still wield a hammer drill like a pro! :D Job well done!
Those little things are exactly the reason I decided to post a full video and not a quick summary video of it-I had a lot of little questions going into the install that I couldn't find solid answers to on Reddit or elsewhere, and the official cable routing kit from Starlink only has the parts for a vinyl-sided house installation. And yeah, Crohn's can be a bit of a burden sometimes, but I've been lucky to have a good year so far (knock on wood!) with very few symptoms!
If you already have Cable Internet, why are you bothering with actually Mounting that thing on your roof, if its (probably) just for testing? Btw, this is, till now, the most professionally done install i´ve seen. Except for safety, there isnt anything I would`ve done different. That being said, I´m probably not much more of an installer, than you are lol.
I have long wanted to have a 2nd Internet connection. And if it can be reliable, it could be a failover, or be used for bonding/aggregation. Fun to test some of these things on a Raspberry Pi router :)
@@JeffGeerling Sounds pretty good, but why go w/ starlink, which is atm pretty expensive and not at 100 percent capacity? Don't get me wrong, it's a nice system but for your purpose it doesn't seem to be the right choice, or is there, besides the tinkering, anything I don't see?
@@xxcr4ckzzxx840 Tinkering / exploration is the main reason, but even so, the only other two options are very flaky 4G wireless (and just as expensive, with data caps, so not good for failover purposes), and half-as-expensive-but-8x-slower DSL. AT&T was supposed to run fiber to our neighborhood 10 years ago... never happened.
Now I know what "caulk" means. I'm not a native English speaker and I thought you were talking about other things when you said "... white silicone caulk" hahaha
I just love how at 23:17 you plug in the cable and the light goes out. Good timing on the automatic light switch-off :D Got a little nam-flashback to the time i accidentally bridged the power pins of my raspberry pi in an unprotected circuit and fried one of my main power fuses. Started with the sentence to my brother "So we just plug in this and everything should work just fi..... *bzzzt*" Effed up my gaming pc that way.
For anyone passing pre-terminated cat cables tape around the whole connector so the retention clip doesn’t catch on anything and snap or make it impossible to pull back out, it acts like an angled barb
That's a good idea, and I don't know why I didn't think of doing that. I always do when I use fish tape or a string to do a pull, I guess I just threw myself off thinking about how annoying it was to have to pull a pre-terminated wire that didn't detach from dishy :D
Came here for the wall hole issue, perfect idea! I opened the box then just stared at the standard wall plate I'm holding..... GREAT, that's what happens when I roll the dice on a Jerry rig plan.
Nice video. Next time, protect the RJ45 connector with tape before pushing it through the brick hole. I like the homemade grommet idea, though! I'll remember that one. It'll give me a reason to buy a coping saw!
A few years ago, when I installed ethernet with my dad we just drilled 3 holes in the wall until we found a place without a steel support beam 😂. My land lord won't be happy when we move out lol.
Haha, you must've learned at the same place the guy who owned the house before me did-there are a few places I've patched up where there were like six holes in a line in the wall until one hit the stud.
Like everybody else in the comments, I got a big kick out of seeing the code of federal regulations violations cut into the video. Great idea sister/camera operator!
I seen on another install video the guy had a "Blue Sea Systems Side Entry CableClam" to cover the hole to get it in the house. Personally that is the route I went, but they home made rubber plug/grommet looks like it will work well too. Good job!
Jeff, congrats! Looking forward to your results on stability and performance. The price and stability (along with the blessing of having other options) steered me away from participating in the Beta, so hope to see an initial report in a few weeks! Nice footage from the Go-Pro, and have to admit I'm a fan of Sun-glasses Jeff!
You should always start the hole under an angle from a lower point at the outer wall to an higher point entering the inner wall so water can't run inside. I think you kind of did that but I would personally have done it under a slightly steeper angle
The greater the angle (at least with my brick), the more chance you chip-out the back half of the brick, causing the brick to split (worst case) or opening up a cavity behind the hole where there's a bunch of material impossible to get out of the hole. I tend to be very conservative going through brick, especially since the house is almost 40 years old and the brick is a bit brittle in parts :) But if you have larger brick, or ideally a smaller-diameter hole, a steeper angle is good too. Always want that water to go out, not in!
@@JeffGeerling I understand, my bricks do look a lot softer indeed. I learned that trick from coax mechanics here in the Netherlands. Probably here it's easier to take that measure. I really enjoyed the video though, as always!
Haha the OSHA Regulations are too perfect 😂 Great video, looking forward to see the performance and how you use it.👍 I'm guessing you'll be using it as a secondary/backup WAN connection.
No plaid shirts in St. Louis in the summer. You don't know hot until you have been in St. Louis in the summer. Maybe Muscle-Shirt-Jeff videos for the summer.
Red shirt Jeff would have hacked a connector off that cable, and crimped up a new one later, nothing special, just shielded Cat cable (probably Cat6). I would have also bought the non-penetrating mount. Since I still have many months before I have coverage, I'm planning my install. Roof of house, roof of garage, pole on fence, maybe on a shed in the yard, maybe on chimney mount. Still not sure and need to get on the roof with the app and see where it will work best around the trees.
At that point i would just run my own cable in/out of the house and use the included cable as an out-door only cable. Just make sure to terminate in a weather proof box!
@@DanielPinel cat5e is good for 1Gb up to 100 meters (328 feet). This wouldn't be anywhere close to that and you likely wouldn't hit those speeds with a wireless solution.
Geeez you could have secured yourself with some mountainers' equipment before walking on the roof... comes a wind burst and you are dead... lucky you are fine. Ah and the sunglasses while trying to see into a hole with a flashlight was priceless :D
Ideally, you don't want to run power along with your data cable. I would try and anchor your power wiring on the opposite joist if it's running down that particular channel between joists.
I used to install satellite TV systems. You hit a lot of the right notes, except for all the ladder stuff you called out and the facemask. Here are some other thoughts. *Wear a hard hat.* It's really not negotiable. If at all possible, *do not step onto a roof* and work from the ladder instead. The most dangerous time is when you're moving from a roof to a ladder. Avoid creating that situation if you can. Mount the footing on the overhanging part of the roof, not any part of the living space footprint. This way, the inevitable leaks will be minor, won't affect the interior of the house, and will be quickly dried by circulating air from the soffits. Take only the tools you need to do a specific task, and make multiple trips up/down to do each one separately. This minimizes the chance of futzing around with loose tools or trying to carry too much stuff at once. Don't forget to take a swig of water after each trip: dehydration is no joke, and roofs are terrible places to work even in mild weather. They make a mastic butyl-based sealing tape that's the right width for satellite foot mounts. I'm disappointed but not surprised that Starlink doesn't include a bond to the universal ground, to avoid charge buildup on the rooftop hardware. Use some tape over the conductors of a pre-terminated cable if you're pulling it through a hole. Also, for RJ-45 types, tape down the locking latch for the pull. It's generally a good idea to tape a length of either straight or very slightly bowed, stiff wire (like coathanger or #10 grounding wire) to the front of the cable as a feed guide for pulling.
Next time you might want to put electrical tape over the ethernet cable end. Even better would have been to setup a conduit into the house. If no conduit a strong wire, a coat hanger will do or 9-14 guage wire, from inside the home pushed outside the home then tape/secure the ethernet cable to the wire and carefully pull it through your hole to the interior location. We had to pull various cables through the hulls of boats and then secure them to existing wiring paths/conduits. I was younger and alot more skinnier back then.
VERY well done! I especially enjoyed the short "safety nuggets" throughout! Very clever. My only question is, will you come do it for me? 😃 Just kidding.
Haha, only half the time do one of my neighbors come over and give me advice on how they would've done it. Usually the retired plumber who knows more codes than I've ever heard of :D
It's just a cat 6 cable nothing spectacular. Add a grey pvc exterior electrical box on outside of house with a slot in the lowest side for wire. The top or sides can allow water intrusion. Unscrew cover slip cord in slot and plug in to wire. To make slot cut a small V in plastic edge of box with a knife to start bit, then use drill bit same diameter of wire usually around 5/16"-3/8", on it's side to make a notch at V. The box can be painted to color match the home. Caulk to house wall with a clear or color matched good caulk like OSI Quad in many colors from your local home store. Then run a cat 6 patch cord(structured cabling) from box to inside home to wherever is needed eezy peezy
The OSHA violation sequences were awesome but my favorite part of the video was "Did you just use the drill as a hammer?"
You heard of hammer drills😀
@@Kw1161 Exactly, He did use the impact driver!
Every day
Everything is a hammer.... 😜
As a former DirecTV installer, here's a tip for those who are planning on drilling and pulling the wire through your wall. Drill from the inside of your house to the outside. That way your hole will be right where you want it to be and no guessing when drilling from outside to the in. Just be aware of what is on the outside of your wall so you're not hitting any pipes, electrical, gas lines, etc.
I agree on wood and vinyl sided house, but not brick like Jeff's. You will punch the facing off the brick if you're not careful. They even teach you to drill outside-in on brick.
@@MaxDad7 You just have to go a little slower with the masonry bit as you get closer to the outside of the brick. I've only had one minor blow out on brick when drilling from inside to outside. The flange of the coax wall bushing covered up a large portion of the blowout. But with Dishy, obviously there's no bushing to cover any blowouts.
@@jeremycarter Going slower didn't always help with me, and DIYers don't always have the feel experience when drilling.
Start with a small bit...then once all the way through use exact size.
There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary setup. 😉
Also for others and Jeff: Before making the installment of the cables permanent ... TEST THAT THING! (I mean function testing on the roof, not that test on your beautiful lawn.)
That is some slightly altered version of "from temporary to permanent" than yours, zambonidriver42:)
Regular Jeff + Red Shirt Jeff = Flannel Jeff. All of Jeff's knowledge and all of Red Shirt Jeff's OSHA violating skills.
Perfectly balanced, as ... but you know the drill.
TikTok guy: How many OSHA violations do you want?
Flannel Jeff: Yes
I'm not sure if you have an editor or edit your own videos but whoever added the OSHA violations is brilliant.
@@alc5440 If only I could afford an editor... :D
But I *do* want to say an extra thanks to my brilliant sister/camera-person for her great work! The OSHA violations TikTok was her idea (I was just going to add a counter, but the Wonka song is so much better).
@@JeffGeerling Hire her, she knows what she is doing!
Love the video. Couple of notes:
1) prevailing edge, homey.
2) sawdust will always be in if you hit the plywood backing of the shingles (which you did)
3) rotate the mount 90º and you'll have a better chance at getting double studs
4) carry roofing caulk to seal around the mount and the holes to fight future leaks.
For the sawdust note, I cut it in the edit, but I was definitely in solid wood for the full length of the bit on the center holes and the right side holes. The left side I felt air beyond the roofing plywood sheathing. It's not something easy to convey visually... but if you drill into a thousand studs you know when you're in wood versus air :)
The studs in my attic look to be 24" apart (definitely 16" or more, though I haven't gone up and measured them since I normally am working on projects on my ceiling from above, and not up on the roof), so turning the mount sideways wouldn't have helped reach more than one stud.
I'm guessing the stud on that edge of the roof is a double-stud being on the edge of the attic space. Honestly I have not been in the part of the attic that juts out over that part of the house, so I can't say for certain :)
@@JeffGeerling Almost certainly a double-stud. Also I wrote #4 before I saw the part where you had sealant :)
Also nicely done on the drip loop in the redux.
Flannel Jeff: What looks most professional?
Internet: You could let it follow the drain pipe.....ooooor you could just let it go across something white where it's highly visible, that's great too.
The best video I have seen on this subject. You include start to finish, the whole nine yards. Really appreciate your technique and humor as well. Very well done. Thank you.
I used to work for Dish so I wanted to check your install, and see what they provided in the kit. It's good to see them provide bishop tape (pitch patch as we call it) for sealing the roof from your lag holes. Those big rectangle patches alone are plenty to seal the roof, but the others are provided for peace of mind I guess. I recommend most people to work off of a ladder if they plan to do their installs and not be on the roof like Jeff is. The easiest way to find a rafter is to be at the gabled end of your roof and measure your overhang, then take that measurement and apply it to the top of your roof, then add an extra inch to inch and a half to account for your siding, foam board, plywood, etc. You don't have to be at the peak of your roof like Jeff either. You can put it anywhere down the roof line if you have the line of sight. You won't gain any advantage being higher up. Always pre-drill your holes! Don't just ram the lags or you will split the wood and won't have as good of a hold. Don't overtighten your outer lags as they will most likely be in plywood and will spin out. Once you start seeing the pitch patch squeeze out from under the mount, you are tight and good to go.
EDIT: I finished watching the video and you did a great job! A fine job getting the hole into your house drilled out properly, and a good idea using a rubber stopper as a grommet (I would have just filled the hole with gasket sealer since that's what we used. LOL) I felt better once you realized fastening the cable to the front of the fascia was easier and better, and utilizing the downspout to zip tie the cable is what is easiest. Also good service loops (drip loops) and explaining to the viewers the importance of them.
Thanks. You complemented this video well with your tips. Good to remember that, with proper clearance, one don’t have to climb to the apex of the roof (not much closer to the satellites 😉).
Most professional installers like myself, would use 25mm (1 inch) conduit and flexi conduit to mechanically protect the cable and also helps in sealing the penetration to the house, and the usual silicone sealer
I was planning on doing that, but was too nervous about the ID of 1" conduit, if the just-more-than-3/4" ferrule would fit (though it sounds like flexible conduit is better for exterior penetrations?). Honestly that was the one part of this job I couldn't find a good guide on online-e.g. what exact conduit to use, how to manage the connections, etc. (I could've just been searching the wrong terms.)
Also the grommet I installed over on that corner of the house looks a thousand times better than the holes for both AT&T and Spectrum's drop into the house 😞 - I wish more of the contractors who route cables into people's homes would care to do a more professional job.
I've never seen anything except electrical wire in conduit unless it's going underground.
remember, always use the right tool for the job. in a pinch a hammer can usually be configured as the correct tool, in a pinch, any tool is a hammer.
You did a good job on the dish installation. Driving the nail with the cordless drill was a PRO move. Thank you for all your videos.
That's one of the reasons I'm subscribed, but honestly it's because you are funny, smart and relatable.
It's on the roof in one piece. How did you keep Red Shirt Jeff away from it?
I only let him out of the workshop once a month or so. This was not the day!
He pushed him off the roof. Not OSHA-approved, so it fell on the editing room floor.
@@JeffGeerling so you have around a month to get an idea how to protect the instalation when he comes out. Better don't turn your back on him on that day.
The intro is gold!😁
Good job with the drip loops! So many installers, even pros I've seen, don't remember (or know?) to put them in.
The biggest thing for me was the angle of the ladder against the side of the house. That angle risks kicking out on you Jeff.
The "ferrule" thing on the cable is an EMI filter made of ferrous ceramic, a cased in plastic. It prevents EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) from being conducted on the outer shield of the cable and acting like a radiating antenna.
as well, it will restricts the passage of current surges produced during a lightning storm... I would peal out the cable and connect the shield to a good ground... before going into the house
@@soulrobotics That would be a very bad idea. Using a DC coupled ground is never a good idea in this scenario, as it would cause the cable and "dish" to attract lightning much more. There are LAN cable lightning protectors specifically for this purpose. They use a gas-discharge spark gap device that does not have a direct connection to ground, but rather a small gap arcs over in the presence of a fast increasing voltage difference... shunting the surge to ground.
The ferrite EMI filter has no effect on current surges, only RF frequencies.
yeah that cable should definitely be detachable so that you dont need to drill such a huge hole and also so that you can have exactly the length of cable you need :D
It's just a cat6 cable nothing spectacular. Add a grey pvc electrical box on outside of house with a slot in the lowest side for wire. Then run a cat 6 patch cord from there inside home to wherever is needed eezy peezy
@@mrmotofy So, as one who is not "techy", how do you connect the cat 6 patch cord to the Starlink cable in the electrical box?
@@timmattingly2250 Just use a Coupler or RJ45 jack installed on the wire inside the box. There's RJ45 coupler Keystone jacks and a coverplate for the inside if you wanna try and DIY with a store bought Cat6 patch cable. Or find a low voltage installer to run the line for you. Label the jack on the inside so it's obvious where it goes or what it's for. Ideally it's a home run line, so it goes to 1 location by breaker panel or a utility area where all future lines run to.
@@mrmotofy It’s also a Power Over Ethernet cable
That intro was fantastic! I was ready for a home renovation show to start! Welcome Home with your host Jeff
9:42 Starlink sending more satellites for ya boy Jeff lmfao
This video was awesome thank you! I like that you leave in the messy details unlike others that go for production value.
What worked for me for entering the house was to remove a section of soffet temporarily and drill through the wall above the brick. This of course brings the cable in upstairs but I like having the router up high. Since I live on a hill, It gives me better reception out in the garden.
I recommend what the DirecTV installers use, a Bishops/Mastic tape, a full sheet under the footpath, makes an great seal as it grabs the lags and is pulled into the hole and the foot plate is basically welded to to the roof shingles...
Reminds me of Jerry Pournelle's BYTE column... "I do these things so you don't have to!"
Thanks, Jeff!
I'm watching your satellite internet adventures with great interest.
Thanks for reminding me of Jerry's column. At the end, his column was the only think that kept me subscribing.
As a former dish installer, you don't need to mount it high on the roof. That extra 10 feet wont give you meaningful signal. Mounting it lower means that any leak is has MUCH less potential for damage.
I disagree. I have installed multi thousand HN, VS, WISP & tv dishes. If I can not install above an unoccupied area then I go high so I have a smaller watershed. Lower is easier but higher is better in my book...once SL opens in this area I will be installing them too....
The original Internet Monitoring project didn't work as expected in my X64-Ubuntu machine. Yours in the other hand, worked flaweslessly :D Thanks Jeff
It's surprisingly satisfying to watch someone drill a hole in his house.
Not one, but 7 in total!
remember: always put a piece of tape over the clip on the jack if you pull ethernet cable!
Nothing as permanent as a temporary solution.
Nice job, Jeff. Letting your wife video you doing the work was a brave choice.
Nice job. The one thing you didn't do (or at least didn't show doing) that I would have really recommended was to set up Dishy on your roof for testing it in that specific location before making it a permanent install. A week or so should be plenty. Even though the app shows where you need clear views, the system seems sensitive to even minor obstructions and doesn't always match what the augmented reality check from the app shows. It's worth it to try moving it to a few locations to see if one might be better than the others before going with the permanent install.
I see Flannel Jeff is a DeWalt guy...
Honestly I started off with two Makita power tools back in the day. Then since a couple friends had DeWalt tools, I slowly started switching.
I don't have any particular fondness for DeWalt, but it's a lot easier buying tools in one system so the batteries can go wherever (since they're the most expensive part of most systems, sheesh!).
I was lucky that my DeWalt journey started with one of their first 20V MAX drills, so I jumped from Makita 18V NiCad to DeWalt 20V (heh, 18v really) Lithium Ion batteries, and it was a huge difference in terms of power output and longevity.
That, and I accidentally made my Makita release its magic smoke drilling a bunch of 3/4" holes through 2x4s.
@@JeffGeerling they have terrible batteries though, with zero in battery protections. Makita was the better of the two.
@@tonymowder I watch AvE, I know I know... I made my bed with DeWalt tools, and I'm sleeping in it. It's bright yellow :D
Lmao, “there’s sawdust so we should be good” you hit plywood bro 😂
Always drill from inside out - always. If concerned about blowing out a divot in brick for example, use a 3/8" bit first then go outside and drill larger hole from out there there. Also a masonry bit will drill just fine thru wood, a lot slower but less time than screwing around switching bits. I have installed thousands of dishes
I was an installer for Dish network and Direct TV for years and never used that black butyl sealant on any of the roofs that I installed dishes on we just filled the holes with silicone and then ran a bead of sealant around the foot and over the tops of the lag bolts that we screwed into the roof and never had a leak on any of the jobs I was on. That sealant stuff that they gave you is for use both under and on top of the foot you installed on the roof the smaller pieces are to be placed on the bolt heads and pressed down all around the bolt to prevent water from running down around the head of the bolt and following the threads into the roof and the sheets are to go under the foot before the lags are screwed into the roof. If you have ever taken the inner panel off your car to install new speakers you would have seen the same black sticky material holding the plastic water shield on the inside skin of the door. The black material is called Butyl tape it is a very sticky type of rubber and is semi self healing therefore providing a water barrier between the dish you are installing and the roof material.
"Come with me, let's inhale some brick dust, and you will meet my friend.... Meso-thee-leoma"
Great video as always! I think this is the first DIY install video I watched without speeding through it 😂 You are worth supporting for all your nerd-relatable content. I’m also glad you mentioned the “drip loop.” Water damage can take awhile to become apparent and will sneak into your house anyway it can.
great install, and now I know a lot about OSHA violations hahaha, looking forward for that pihole + internet monitoring video
Nice to see a start to finish video for an install. It's all the little things not mentioned in the manual that give you pause, and ask "How is it supposed to be done?" And making a mid-install change on the cabel ties is a nice example of this. (Did you go back and caulk those holes? ;) ) Having an older circa 1910 home myself, that's 2 stories tall, with 45 degree pitched roof would make a rooftop install a "Bad Idea" and I would decide to just add a mounting pole in the yard and run the cable underground instead. Also, good to see you outside doing all the things, showing that even with your 'condition' you can still wield a hammer drill like a pro! :D Job well done!
Those little things are exactly the reason I decided to post a full video and not a quick summary video of it-I had a lot of little questions going into the install that I couldn't find solid answers to on Reddit or elsewhere, and the official cable routing kit from Starlink only has the parts for a vinyl-sided house installation.
And yeah, Crohn's can be a bit of a burden sometimes, but I've been lucky to have a good year so far (knock on wood!) with very few symptoms!
If you already have Cable Internet, why are you bothering with actually Mounting that thing on your roof, if its (probably) just for testing?
Btw, this is, till now, the most professionally done install i´ve seen. Except for safety, there isnt anything I would`ve done different. That being said, I´m probably not much more of an installer, than you are lol.
I have long wanted to have a 2nd Internet connection. And if it can be reliable, it could be a failover, or be used for bonding/aggregation. Fun to test some of these things on a Raspberry Pi router :)
@@JeffGeerling Sounds pretty good, but why go w/ starlink, which is atm pretty expensive and not at 100 percent capacity? Don't get me wrong, it's a nice system but for your purpose it doesn't seem to be the right choice, or is there, besides the tinkering, anything I don't see?
@@xxcr4ckzzxx840 Tinkering / exploration is the main reason, but even so, the only other two options are very flaky 4G wireless (and just as expensive, with data caps, so not good for failover purposes), and half-as-expensive-but-8x-slower DSL. AT&T was supposed to run fiber to our neighborhood 10 years ago... never happened.
It definitely looks better than my Dish Network self install.
Now I know what "caulk" means. I'm not a native English speaker and I thought you were talking about other things when you said "... white silicone caulk" hahaha
Just use your imagination.
21:11 "I'm gonna caulk up this hole"
One tip, use tape(such as black electrical tape) to wrap the head of wire, before trying to threading it through hole.
I just love how at 23:17 you plug in the cable and the light goes out.
Good timing on the automatic light switch-off :D
Got a little nam-flashback to the time i accidentally bridged the power pins of my raspberry pi in an unprotected circuit and fried one of my main power fuses. Started with the sentence to my brother "So we just plug in this and everything should work just fi..... *bzzzt*"
Effed up my gaming pc that way.
For anyone passing pre-terminated cat cables tape around the whole connector so the retention clip doesn’t catch on anything and snap or make it impossible to pull back out, it acts like an angled barb
That's a good idea, and I don't know why I didn't think of doing that. I always do when I use fish tape or a string to do a pull, I guess I just threw myself off thinking about how annoying it was to have to pull a pre-terminated wire that didn't detach from dishy :D
Came here for the wall hole issue, perfect idea! I opened the box then just stared at the standard wall plate I'm holding..... GREAT, that's what happens when I roll the dice on a Jerry rig plan.
More videos like this Jeff! Loved it especially the OSHA bits.
Nice video. Next time, protect the RJ45 connector with tape before pushing it through the brick hole. I like the homemade grommet idea, though! I'll remember that one. It'll give me a reason to buy a coping saw!
Coping saws are like portable and slightly-unwieldy bandsaws... when you need them to be :)
Your the man!!! I'm an electrician and the grommit idea is something I'll take with me. Solid install.
A few years ago, when I installed ethernet with my dad we just drilled 3 holes in the wall until we found a place without a steel support beam 😂.
My land lord won't be happy when we move out lol.
Haha, you must've learned at the same place the guy who owned the house before me did-there are a few places I've patched up where there were like six holes in a line in the wall until one hit the stud.
Very Professional install.
I've done the drill into a power cable, and yes there is sparks.
Thanks for the step by step!! Will help me install my dishy
From this video I think it's safe to say you are a software guy.
At least you put a drip loop into your cable. Most people forget that.
When running Ethernet-type cables through walls, it's best to tape the connector end.
This prevents anything from snagging the tab/clip.
Love that you have this very informative video for people like me...thanks so much! Suppossed to have starlink in March 22 and I can't wait!
Some definite Norm Abram vibes there.
I like the sound of all the birds
Like everybody else in the comments, I got a big kick out of seeing the code of federal regulations violations cut into the video. Great idea sister/camera operator!
I seen on another install video the guy had a "Blue Sea Systems Side Entry CableClam" to cover the hole to get it in the house. Personally that is the route I went, but they home made rubber plug/grommet looks like it will work well too. Good job!
13:37 I am starting to think Flannel Jeff is just Red Shirt Jeff in disguise
Jeff, congrats! Looking forward to your results on stability and performance. The price and stability (along with the blessing of having other options) steered me away from participating in the Beta, so hope to see an initial report in a few weeks! Nice footage from the Go-Pro, and have to admit I'm a fan of Sun-glasses Jeff!
Bob Vila meets...Jeff Geerling...Today on This Old House...
Sick V-roll in the beginning
You should always start the hole under an angle from a lower point at the outer wall to an higher point entering the inner wall so water can't run inside.
I think you kind of did that but I would personally have done it under a slightly steeper angle
The greater the angle (at least with my brick), the more chance you chip-out the back half of the brick, causing the brick to split (worst case) or opening up a cavity behind the hole where there's a bunch of material impossible to get out of the hole.
I tend to be very conservative going through brick, especially since the house is almost 40 years old and the brick is a bit brittle in parts :)
But if you have larger brick, or ideally a smaller-diameter hole, a steeper angle is good too. Always want that water to go out, not in!
@@JeffGeerling I understand, my bricks do look a lot softer indeed. I learned that trick from coax mechanics here in the Netherlands. Probably here it's easier to take that measure.
I really enjoyed the video though, as always!
That Osha song was hilarious.
A nice 7/8 inch forstner bit for the wood part would be great.
A regular spade is cheaper and more versatile
Flannel shirt Jeff is awesome
I just got my first gigabit router I am so happy hope you are happy with your connection too
oh wow, while watching this video I got the sudden urge to become a dad! 😆 I just wanna do my own D.I.Y Projects for my own house in the future. 😭
Link is an amazing tiktoker. I can't wait for starlink with the cm4 pi.
The Ferrooll or whatever you called it is to stop radio (Radio Ham`s) RF getting into your signal Good Idea and great they added that!!
Haha the OSHA Regulations are too perfect 😂 Great video, looking forward to see the performance and how you use it.👍
I'm guessing you'll be using it as a secondary/backup WAN connection.
Yes, and experimenting with bonding/aggregation for faster uploads.
Actually made me more sympathetic to the government.
@@KameraShy I mean there's probably a death or at least a severe injury behind all of OSHA's regulations so they do know what they're talking about 😅😅
I would definitely like more Plaid-Shirt-Jeff videos.
No plaid shirts in St. Louis in the summer. You don't know hot until you have been in St. Louis in the summer. Maybe Muscle-Shirt-Jeff videos for the summer.
Red shirt Jeff would have hacked a connector off that cable, and crimped up a new one later, nothing special, just shielded Cat cable (probably Cat6). I would have also bought the non-penetrating mount. Since I still have many months before I have coverage, I'm planning my install. Roof of house, roof of garage, pole on fence, maybe on a shed in the yard, maybe on chimney mount. Still not sure and need to get on the roof with the app and see where it will work best around the trees.
The OSHA guy is from my nightmares 🤣😅
At that point i would just run my own cable in/out of the house and use the included cable as an out-door only cable. Just make sure to terminate in a weather proof box!
Cat* Cable Max Cable Length: hello.
@@DanielPinel cat5e is good for 1Gb up to 100 meters (328 feet). This wouldn't be anywhere close to that and you likely wouldn't hit those speeds with a wireless solution.
That'll be permanent temporary for sure Red Shirt Jeff! :P
Pro tip for install: Make lines from the mount to the roof, so you can align the marks after putting the flashing on.
Watched this on my Starlink... works much better than traditional satellite.
Wallholedrillingtip - angle your drill slightly upwards, the upwards slope will keep out rain all by itself.
LOVE the cheezy intro. That was awesome. Great drone shots. 😂
This is NOT gonna be a temp setup. As i allways say and you said "let's see in e few days, weeks or months"
Gee that ladder is on one hell of an angle
Geeez you could have secured yourself with some mountainers' equipment before walking on the roof... comes a wind burst and you are dead... lucky you are fine.
Ah and the sunglasses while trying to see into a hole with a flashlight was priceless :D
For added OSHA anarchy, you could have smoked a victorious cigarette on that roof, moments after installing that dish.
Good setup, I really enjoyed how much you researched before you did anything!
Ideally, you don't want to run power along with your data cable. I would try and anchor your power wiring on the opposite joist if it's running down that particular channel between joists.
honestly speaking , see this video is like to see a pron movie for me. Greate job Jeff!
Very nice work from behind the camera!
I used to install satellite TV systems. You hit a lot of the right notes, except for all the ladder stuff you called out and the facemask. Here are some other thoughts.
*Wear a hard hat.* It's really not negotiable.
If at all possible, *do not step onto a roof* and work from the ladder instead. The most dangerous time is when you're moving from a roof to a ladder. Avoid creating that situation if you can.
Mount the footing on the overhanging part of the roof, not any part of the living space footprint. This way, the inevitable leaks will be minor, won't affect the interior of the house, and will be quickly dried by circulating air from the soffits.
Take only the tools you need to do a specific task, and make multiple trips up/down to do each one separately. This minimizes the chance of futzing around with loose tools or trying to carry too much stuff at once. Don't forget to take a swig of water after each trip: dehydration is no joke, and roofs are terrible places to work even in mild weather.
They make a mastic butyl-based sealing tape that's the right width for satellite foot mounts.
I'm disappointed but not surprised that Starlink doesn't include a bond to the universal ground, to avoid charge buildup on the rooftop hardware.
Use some tape over the conductors of a pre-terminated cable if you're pulling it through a hole. Also, for RJ-45 types, tape down the locking latch for the pull.
It's generally a good idea to tape a length of either straight or very slightly bowed, stiff wire (like coathanger or #10 grounding wire) to the front of the cable as a feed guide for pulling.
As we say at our workplace - Safety Third!!!
Always fun seeing a channel grow :)
Next time you might want to put electrical tape over the ethernet cable end. Even better would have been to setup a conduit into the house. If no conduit a strong wire, a coat hanger will do or 9-14 guage wire, from inside the home pushed outside the home then tape/secure the ethernet cable to the wire and carefully pull it through your hole to the interior location. We had to pull various cables through the hulls of boats and then secure them to existing wiring paths/conduits. I was younger and alot more skinnier back then.
VERY well done! I especially enjoyed the short "safety nuggets" throughout! Very clever. My only question is, will you come do it for me? 😃 Just kidding.
Great video. I didn't see your neighbour telling you its all wrong and how he would do it :-)
Haha, only half the time do one of my neighbors come over and give me advice on how they would've done it. Usually the retired plumber who knows more codes than I've ever heard of :D
It's just a cat 6 cable nothing spectacular. Add a grey pvc exterior electrical box on outside of house with a slot in the lowest side for wire. The top or sides can allow water intrusion. Unscrew cover slip cord in slot and plug in to wire. To make slot cut a small V in plastic edge of box with a knife to start bit, then use drill bit same diameter of wire usually around 5/16"-3/8", on it's side to make a notch at V. The box can be painted to color match the home. Caulk to house wall with a clear or color matched good caulk like OSI Quad in many colors from your local home store. Then run a cat 6 patch cord(structured cabling) from box to inside home to wherever is needed eezy peezy
Yes, please create that internet monitoring Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole video.
Great video. Really enjoyed it