Despite it's shortcoming I found myself doing more than just the necessary dungeons for recording purposes for ret.It's not easy to explain as they have faults, but they are, to put it simply, fun and that's enough.
opener : pre-pot, Guardian (attack for 5-6 seconds, to wait for Guardian Strength stack cap) Avenging Wrath, Execution sent.. Your Execution Sentence will benefit a lot more if you use it AFTER you have your trinks and stuff rolling. for those who don't know, When you use a spell like Execution Sentence, it takes a snapshot of your current stats and uses them to calculate damage output, so waiting until your procs are rolling means A LOT more damage from things like Execution Sentence :)
something else that helps out nicely. If you are using clcret and divine purpose you can set up your tmw to track your divine purpose procs and stick the button right on top of your clcret and make it flashy so that you don't waiste any procs :) It really works out nicely :) thanks again preachy! :)
I know this is a very very old video, but for anyone looking for guides, once you get your Evil Eye of Galakras Holy Avenger & Avenging Wrath will be out of sync, making Sanctified Wrath much much better :)
Oh yeah, forgot about hard expertise cap. Thanks for the answer, this is actually kind of cool. While I was really thrown at the beginning of MoP for the Prot itemization to DPS stats (haste) now it's kind of neat since it helps w/ someone like me who doesn't ever take the time to get two sets of gear to really switch between better. Thanks for the help and reply, bro.
Let me point out some important points. Haste not only increase your attack speed and reduce most spell cool down, haste also increase the damage done by your weapon damage abilities, such as templar's verdict and crusader strike. Mastery increase the damage done by your Major ability, while crit is, well chance to deal double/burst damage. But while haste stacking is nice, it does have a cap, once hit the cap, other stats will become empowered. Btw, T16 4 set is awesome.
Hey Preach great guide as always HA and SW where SO close in tier 15 with the 4 set. Now with the lost of tier 15 and the gain of a particularly awesome trinket which reduces the CD of certain spells (does not include HA) making wings roughly a 1 minute 40 second CD depending on which ilvl trinket you get. With SW you have 30 seconds of wings making wings with the trinket in theory a 1 minute 10 second CD DP is way to RNG for most fights and HA not working with the trinket it falls short as well
I don't understand the part in the video where he says don't dump all 3 holy power on Templar's Verdict so that we can cast more judgments and crusader strikes. Sorry if this is an obvious answer, I'm a new Paladin player.
Sanctified Wrath talent is a single target burst cool down buff, divine purpose is a universal dps buff for sustain dps purposes. Another thing is holy prism can be fitted into the retribution paladin rotation, plus with the benefit of healing and aoe dps of upto five targets
Sanctified Wrath does indeed give you more overall damage, but the difference is very little if you time Holy Avenger right, and this one gives the advantage of additional burst on demand to make up for it.
Preach, to be honest, I was debating quitting WoW, I even tasked my followers, and the community to try to give me a reason not to quit. NEEDLESS TO SAY, they have yet to even try. But, for some reason, some tiny reason, this video alone has made me decide to fully reroll as a ret pally and get back into the game. Why a full reroll? Starting fresh, baby.
Clemency is awesome for support. I once did LFR on my Hunter where a Retribution Paladin, with this talent, would cast BoP on me constantly, everytime it went off cooldown. It was a good experience.
The biggest thing to remember when using CLCRET is if you are fighting more than one mob, and your clcret is telling you to use Templars Verdict, INSTEAD you should be using Divine storm. the same for Crusader strike -> Hammer of Rit Single target = Normal AOE = just cast DS and HOR instead of CS and TV :)
Sanc wrath is going to pull waaaay ahead of the other two options in the level 75 tier. the main problems with holy avenger is that it does not get affected by the CD reduction trink in SoO where as Avenging wrath does and sanc wrath compounds on top on that making it infinitely better. another problem with going with this talent is that it will not line up with avenging wrath if you have the CD reduction trink making it more awkward. divine purpose can be very nice on steady dps fights but the main problem i found with it is that it gets kind of wonkey with the ret's 4-piece set bonus with the free divine storm. regardless, sanc wrath just pulls miles ahead with its short CD long duration periods of burst. tl;dr Get sanc wrath it's a god send....
-- You should save your Divine Purpose proc for when you don't have anything else to press or your going to cap your holy power. However if Inquisition is down you should use it ASAP. -- Your priority list is (You might want to check Icyveins or something for a complete list/updated list): - Inquisition - Cooldowns - 5 HP Templars Verdict - Exorsicm - Crusader strike - Judgement.
I have never seen any guide recomend wrath in any circumstance what. so. ever. I tryed it for holy, and it is freaking amazing! I need to spend more mana, but the heal outcome and absorbtion makes it worth the mana spent. All though, i have only tryed it in BG, and NOT in arena. The holy shock crits is almost constant with a crit build. you ALWAYS crit with holy shock. I think this is viable in arena to, since Divine light has as much mana usage as Radiance
I found out about the glyph of harsh words, which allows you to cast word of glory on enemies to deal damage. Like templar's verdict, it takes three holy power to use. However, i tried it on a training dummy, and found out that harsh words hits much harder then templar's verdict.
Some questions about rotation: -- I see that you delay your Divine Purpose procc quite a bit? Shouldn't I dump Divine Purpose as soon as it proccs (so that it proccs even more since I spend HP)? -- I shouldn't dump 3HP and instead build them up till 5....let's say I have 3 HP and both Judgement & Exorcism are off cooldown. Which one should I use (while staying in melee range)?
What addons are you using? I like how everything is not clustered. That is one thing I run into right now. I am trying to better my game play as a Ret pally. I finally have good gear. Great info for Rets that you.
i normally agree with you preach but with the introduction of the CD reduction trinket SW pulls far ahead since it doesnt reduce the CD of holy avenger divine purpose is to RNG and with SW increased duration along with the shorter CD of wings you get much more up time on hammer of wrath
I think to maximise DPS you need to do the following: Get 3 holy power and use Inquisition. Then I use Guardian of Ancient kings; after about 10 seconds later throw my Wings Marco (Avenging Wrath,Holy Avenger, and my Crit Trink). Because this lasts 20 seconds, its a higher DPS increase if i have them at the same time e.g: You loose 2 or so seconds of burst if you wait for the 12 stack from the Guardian.
Divine Purpose is the best with 4 PC Tier 16 due to DP proc'ing off of the set bonus and visa versa! I change from Lights hammer to ES depending on the specific fight too! Protectors would be a great example for lights hammer. Hope this helps! Great video though!
I need to know wut addons ur using cuz im kindof a noob at all this stuff and need all the help i can get + it looks way better than vanilla WoW interface :P
personally I go for a teeth smash and go with holy avenger macro'd along with wings. but your right lvl 75 is all about play style and what works best for you.
I main as a Holy Pally so I use Clemency on my holy build, but I'm not going to use one of my Badass Hands on someone else when I'm Dps minded. I take Unbreakable Spirit, and Sanctified Wrath. Sanctified Wrath is amazing you can use your finisher (Lots of dps) every 3 seconds with Avenging Wrath up. Also I got 29.93% Haste and 43.01% Mastery as a 552 Retribution Paladin, Unbuffed of course. I get my DPs up to 290k Dps with Wings and Guardian, if bloodlust is Available I can hit 340+k Dps.
Honestly, what he was talking about was just his preference. Mine too if I am being honest, I have been a pally since pre BC, back then we were a support class a best. Pallies have remained a support class in my eyes, just look at all the ways we can support our aid, our hands in particular are hands down the best support spells in the game. While you can play a Paladin or any class for that matter, any way you wish I personally think it's a waste not to use your support spells. It certainly does not slow my guild down, I may not be the top of the charts but a well placed hand can very well save a wipe.
Richard Kelley Ahh with how raiding is now days, they all want the AoE support abilities. As long as you use Devotion Aura at the right times you're good. Really the only times I find myself using Hand of Protection other than my self or PvP. Is on trash or maybe a tank missed a taunt and they need stacks removed. Salv when I'm Ret is all mine, and actually now that I got more gear up to 568 I use Clemency for the double Hand of Salvations for threat reduction. Helps on Spoils and Galkaras, just waves of adds...
ScopedPewPew Too be Honest if a tank tunnel visions gains or the other tank gains too many stacks, and needs me to BoP them to clear stacks, He shouldn't be there. And probably the other tank, for not saying anything. Your point is in-valid. I'd only use my Hands if someone messes up and if I don't Correct their mistake I get kicked? Maybe that's why your guild Disbanded... Bunch of Elitist punks, and trust me I've been in progression guilds going for server first, Missed Naxx 25 by 2 days.
blackrockftw You literally have no idea what the Blessing spell actually do, do you? The are preventive if anything, you continue to show your lack of knowledge for your class and roles, this is why you will be a second rate Paladin no matter what gear you are carried to get. The simple fact is the use of Blessings separates the decent players such as yourself and the good Paladins such as the rest of us.
Blessing of Might increases peoples Mastery and Blessing of Kings gives people percentage based Strength, Intellect, and Agility. Or do you mean the old blessings like Blessing of Salvation or Blessing of Wisdom or Blessing of Light, I remember having addons to tell me what paladin buffed what buff on who. Because there were 5 blessing!!! Or do you mean Hands? Be kinda silly for a grand Paladin such as you to confuse your own abilities up like that, right? They only changed it back when Wrath was released. You're not the only one that can be condescending...
Divine purpose is okish for 3 fights in SoO (considering you have 4set) Immersius, Galakras, Spoils. Also! You can use 4 set holy pvp bonus for building holy power before you pull. Kinda annoying but meh dps increase!
Only thing I have to nitpick with this right now is how you explained Kings & Wrath: When you have Sanctified, you still want to wait for full stacks. You never ever want those two spells linked together- once I picked up on that and got my addons configured for watching trinket procs I had a good 30-50k dps boost regularly.
nah man, because when you pop Kings it increases your str gradually...you want to have wrath up for as long as you can, not just when you git 12 stacks....if youre popping wrath when you hit 12 stacks, the stacks will fade by the time wrath is over
Nick Lilimbakis That's the point- Kings does another burst of damage when it expires. Because of the way Blizzard does their ticks right now (changing in WoD), you want to wait for 12, then get a 20% boost on that, also ensuring you get a 20% boost to the damage Kings does on that final burst. This is, of course, assuming they haven't already fiddled with or I didn't misunderstand the thing entirely, but I don't think I have based on the way my dps spiked when I did that.
I wonder what you think mastery does. If a player isn't good enough to keep up with high haste (and would bad players really get such high haste anyway?) then they are also unlikely to make best use of their cooldowns; which is death to a mastery build.
" big, sturdy Flash of Light directly on myself... " "Your successful Judgments reduce the cast time and mana cost of your next Flash of Light by 35% per stack and improves its effectiveness by 20% per stack when used to heal OTHERS . Stacks up to 3 times." and besides the name : SELFLESS healer. So... Flash of Light can save others, but no you :D
Wouldn't it be better to cast Avenging Wrath 20 seconds before Kings fades, rather than once the stacks max? I always figured it'd be better to spend Wrath's spare time with partial stacks rather than no stacks after Kings wears off.
Also, I haven't looked into it, but doesn't Divine Storm only benefit from 3+ targets, looking at both DS and TV's bonus's.. TV(275 Wep dmg) and DS(100 Wep dmg) you'll loose 175 wep dmg for one target which is explanatory and loose 75 wep dmg for 2 targets which will build up over the encounter, but gain 25 wep dmg for 3 targets.
There is no rotation. Just priority system. Just build your HP with Hp generating abilities and dump it. If you have 5 HP use TW in any case. If less and you have one of generating abilities ready use ability not TW. He did nice job explaining this. Tho i like 15+15 movement speed inc but that is my personal choice. Helps lot in fights when you have to move fast constantly (arrows at galakras...) YOu basicly have 2+ HP all the time. ANd if away you build up 2 fast anyway using judge and exo.
its a strong speculation atm for aoe encounters. as divine storm is seeing alot of love with our T16 and the amount of aoe friendly fights in SoO , will be nice to see how that turns out. would be great to see another talent being used that would change up the playstyle in given fights
whats that ? seal see ret ? that's all i heard, looks like a handy addon, whats it actually called so i can look it up or can you link it please mate ? would appreciate a reply because i want that addon.The one that tells you what spell/action to use next.
Yeah it doesn't say the healing is increased when used on ourselves..but when I use it, it tends to proc more for me and increased healing..also you don't really wanna be using FoL without the insta cast cus you'll loose dmg
Skada can give you the same logs and reports you just need to know where and how to look at them. Recount IS easier but you also take a MUCH bigger memory hit. It's mainly personal preference but if you use Skada you will see why I prefer it. Opening two windows one for healing another for DPS, you pretty much can't with recount. With Skada you can, easily. Skada is just better put together. For casual raiding and shit though Recount is just fine.
im having a tough choice between arms warrior and ret pally, i want something with dots, good melee combat, and some ranged attacks, does ret pally fit that well?
Sanctified Wrath is probably the best choice for almost every fight in SoO. Divine Purpose is only good an a few bosses as long as you have your 4-set bonus.
Preacher! whats a good "opening" rotation? a lot of people are saying Hammer of Wrath but that isnt an ability you can cast first. SO help a new Pally Player out Brotha! guide my hand and show me the ability to melt some faces! please....
I really prefer Sanctified Wrath over the other two mainly because of its synergy with GotaK and the flow of my rotation the pull. Also I have the CD reduction trinket which is awesome with SW+ Avenging Wrath. Also, You didn't mention the option of Mastery>Haste in gemming and reforging, it's quite good to look at it on a fight per fight basis, the more gear you get from SoO Normal/hc mastery benefits more because of the 4set bonus and amount of bosses with a lot of adds. but its very close cut
Sanctified Wrath, hands down, is the best DPS boost. ESPECIALLY if you have the Evil Eye of Galakras from SoO. My Avenging Wrath has about a 1:40(ish) CD, and with Sanctified Wrath being boosted by an extra 10-seconds. So, overall, I get Avenging Wrath about every minute, which is amazing DPS. As for the T45, Eternal Flame should NEVER be used for the sheer fact that it costs holy power to use.
Hi. Preach can you help me for a bit i payed for MoP and i look at game management and it says frozen. And when i log in it says You have used up your prepaid time for this account please visit to purchase and continue playing.
Well, Ret gear's going to focus on giving lots of Strength socket bonuses whereas Prot doesn't really want Strength, they want Stamina socket bonuses. Not to mention the difference in Tier 16 Ret vs Prot set bonuses. Much the same for enchants as well. Preach makes the point that yeah, going all-out Stamina for Prot is ridiculous 'cause active mitigation, but it's still often preferable when it comes to enchants and such. Other than that, though, I'd say yeah the gear's similar. IMO.
2:30 "I'm DPS. Fuck everything else. Fuck all of you." 8:43 "If you do not hit the target...and you are not hit capped: you fucked it right up." You sir, if you have not already received one, deserve a medal.
Also, according to Elitist Jerks, Light's Hammer pulls ahead of Execution Sentence, if you can use in on 1.7 targets for the full time, on almost every boss except Juggernaut it's better this Tier
I do like to use Holy Prism in PvP sometimes but never in a PvE situation, you will find that your spell casting runs smoothly without out it there so long as you try to maintain 5 holy power. Execution Sentence gives out sweet dps when you burst a target. Not to mention it looks great :P Like he said don't be permanently stuck on one talent when there are 3 viable options
***** But that goes against his idea of not wanting to min max, because 2 global cooldowns over the course of a full minute instead of just 1 won't affect your dps so badly that it completely removes holy prism from being a thinkable choice.
In my Gear (528, bad 510 weapon) it sims around 5k+ DPS on Singletarget. For bosses where you need atleast some AoE, Holy Avenger pulls ahead quite fast.
Hello Preach, After 5.4 hit, I feel like I lost a lot of dps on my Feral Druid. Would you please let me know when your Feral 5.4 guide coming out. Thanks for all the helpful and entertaining videos! Keep it up.
That's true, but it uses less memory because it offers less functionality, that doesn't make it "better", nor makes Recount "bad". And honestly, the difference is maximum 2-3 MB of Ram, pretty negligible nowadays.
You will pull aggro like a boss, but yeah need better tanks cause they seem to blow if they cannot pick it back up. Nothing you can do about it either.
I tried both out and i will have to say personally I like Sanctified Wrath better and it does around 5-10k dps overall but I agree that Holy Avenge would be better if you need to burst in a more quick but would still recommend Sanctified Wrath for PvE
its a "possible" dps increase for fights that have constant aoe. and a stress the word possible. other than that its sanctified wrath. unless the player dosn't know how to use the right ability after every hammer of wrath. its 1-2% dps difference at the top end of play between wrath and avenger.. but DP is purely aoe driven through divine storm procs
"Currently, Sanctified Wrath provides the highest DPS of the three talents, so we advise taking it. The difference between all three talents is quite small though." Source: Icy Veins.
Lets hear now, why is Recount bad? It gives much more detailed charts to study rotations, it's not just as meter, it's a very powerful tool if you know how to use it.
i have a ret paly 535 ilvl, and my first burst against the dummy is 160/170 k. but when wings over, my dps become realy low, like 120 and even less, like 100k, im doing the rotation wrong?, or is this the damage that i have to do with a paladin?
That is it for ret. We are built for burst damage. Also it will improve depending on how you have your stats balance. for me I do on avg. with out inq up all the time around 100k-130k dmg and that is because i keep my haste and mastery roughly even 33+% on each(thats without my mastery booster either) and my bursts go from 200-300k then back down. But for generalness yes you seem to be ok, that is how we are built sadly.
t ru My dps grow a bit, i just put in yellow 320 Haste, red 80 str and 120 haste, blue Haste and hit. no one of my gems are of str, i change it all of them and with the Elixir of 1000 str i can keep 150k dps, or get down to 140k, my burst now is 260k, i cant reach more higher but is a start, i just need the cloak.
And what class are you and what is your ilevel? Cause 100-130k base dps for a ret pally with my ilevel is high. I am only ilevel 540 with no leg cloak, and running no normal or heroic gear. So yeah what class and ilevel are you again?
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I'd love to see ret paladin like this again
Despite it's shortcoming I found myself doing more than just the necessary dungeons for recording purposes for ret.It's not easy to explain as they have faults, but they are, to put it simply, fun and that's enough.
This guide is very helpful. I just boosted my Ret to 90 and had no idea what I was doing.
He's referring to the memory usage of recount in comparison to Skada.
opener : pre-pot, Guardian (attack for 5-6 seconds, to wait for Guardian Strength stack cap) Avenging Wrath, Execution sent..
Your Execution Sentence will benefit a lot more if you use it AFTER you have your trinks and stuff rolling. for those who don't know, When you use a spell like Execution Sentence, it takes a snapshot of your current stats and uses them to calculate damage output, so waiting until your procs are rolling means A LOT more damage from things like Execution Sentence :)
something else that helps out nicely. If you are using clcret and divine purpose you can set up your tmw to track your divine purpose procs and stick the button right on top of your clcret and make it flashy so that you don't waiste any procs :) It really works out nicely :) thanks again preachy! :)
I know this is a very very old video, but for anyone looking for guides, once you get your Evil Eye of Galakras Holy Avenger & Avenging Wrath will be out of sync, making Sanctified Wrath much much better :)
Oh yeah, forgot about hard expertise cap. Thanks for the answer, this is actually kind of cool. While I was really thrown at the beginning of MoP for the Prot itemization to DPS stats (haste) now it's kind of neat since it helps w/ someone like me who doesn't ever take the time to get two sets of gear to really switch between better. Thanks for the help and reply, bro.
Let me point out some important points. Haste not only increase your attack speed and reduce most spell cool down, haste also increase the damage done by your weapon damage abilities, such as templar's verdict and crusader strike. Mastery increase the damage done by your Major ability, while crit is, well chance to deal double/burst damage. But while haste stacking is nice, it does have a cap, once hit the cap, other stats will become empowered. Btw, T16 4 set is awesome.
Hey Preach great guide as always HA and SW where SO close in tier 15 with the 4 set. Now with the lost of tier 15 and the gain of a particularly awesome trinket which reduces the CD of certain spells (does not include HA) making wings roughly a 1 minute 40 second CD depending on which ilvl trinket you get. With SW you have 30 seconds of wings making wings with the trinket in theory a 1 minute 10 second CD DP is way to RNG for most fights and HA not working with the trinket it falls short as well
I don't understand the part in the video where he says don't dump all 3 holy power on Templar's Verdict so that we can cast more judgments and crusader strikes. Sorry if this is an obvious answer, I'm a new Paladin player.
Sanctified Wrath talent is a single target burst cool down buff, divine purpose is a universal dps buff for sustain dps purposes. Another thing is holy prism can be fitted into the retribution paladin rotation, plus with the benefit of healing and aoe dps of upto five targets
Sanctified Wrath does indeed give you more overall damage, but the difference is very little if you time Holy Avenger right, and this one gives the advantage of additional burst on demand to make up for it.
Preach, to be honest, I was debating quitting WoW, I even tasked my followers, and the community to try to give me a reason not to quit. NEEDLESS TO SAY, they have yet to even try. But, for some reason, some tiny reason, this video alone has made me decide to fully reroll as a ret pally and get back into the game. Why a full reroll? Starting fresh, baby.
Clemency is awesome for support. I once did LFR on my Hunter where a Retribution Paladin, with this talent, would cast BoP on me constantly, everytime it went off cooldown. It was a good experience.
The biggest thing to remember when using CLCRET is if you are fighting more than one mob, and your clcret is telling you to use Templars Verdict, INSTEAD you should be using Divine storm. the same for Crusader strike -> Hammer of Rit
Single target = Normal
AOE = just cast DS and HOR instead of CS and TV
:)
Really great guide. I liked the mention of clcret. It's a good set of training wheels.
Mike can you let me know whats order ...stat wise for a retri pally plese ....thanks ...love the vids keep em coming :)
Sanc wrath is going to pull waaaay ahead of the other two options in the level 75 tier. the main problems with holy avenger is that it does not get affected by the CD reduction trink in SoO where as Avenging wrath does and sanc wrath compounds on top on that making it infinitely better. another problem with going with this talent is that it will not line up with avenging wrath if you have the CD reduction trink making it more awkward. divine purpose can be very nice on steady dps fights but the main problem i found with it is that it gets kind of wonkey with the ret's 4-piece set bonus with the free divine storm. regardless, sanc wrath just pulls miles ahead with its short CD long duration periods of burst.
tl;dr Get sanc wrath it's a god send....
Can you put the addons you mention in your videos in the descriptions?
well done Mike, I've recently returned to WoW and I've dusted off my 4yr ol ret pally and have been having a blast with him =) /liked /subbed
Holy Avenger plus Wings = Dead stuff really fast.
If you can burn it down fast enough otherwise you will be fuckkkkkedddd.....
Is there any ret pally guide for general like for raids and dungeons or is that the same guide as PvP guides?
-- You should save your Divine Purpose proc for when you don't have anything else to press or your going to cap your holy power. However if Inquisition is down you should use it ASAP.
-- Your priority list is (You might want to check Icyveins or something for a complete list/updated list):
- Inquisition
- Cooldowns
- 5 HP Templars Verdict
- Exorsicm
- Crusader strike
- Judgement.
I have never seen any guide recomend wrath in any circumstance what. so. ever.
I tryed it for holy, and it is freaking amazing! I need to spend more mana, but the heal outcome and absorbtion makes it worth the mana spent. All though, i have only tryed it in BG, and NOT in arena. The holy shock crits is almost constant with a crit build. you ALWAYS crit with holy shock. I think this is viable in arena to, since Divine light has as much mana usage as Radiance
Is there an addon just for giving your Inquisition a meter? It helps a lot if I don't have to constantly look up into the corner. :[
I found out about the glyph of harsh words, which allows you to cast word of glory on enemies to deal damage. Like templar's verdict, it takes three holy power to use. However, i tried it on a training dummy, and found out that harsh words hits much harder then templar's verdict.
Festivejelly yet it still did more damage?
Some questions about rotation:
-- I see that you delay your Divine Purpose procc quite a bit? Shouldn't I dump Divine Purpose as soon as it proccs (so that it proccs even more since I spend HP)?
-- I shouldn't dump 3HP and instead build them up till 5....let's say I have 3 HP and both Judgement & Exorcism are off cooldown. Which one should I use (while staying in melee range)?
What addons are you using? I like how everything is not clustered. That is one thing I run into right now. I am trying to better my game play as a Ret pally. I finally have good gear. Great info for Rets that you.
i normally agree with you preach but with the introduction of the CD reduction trinket SW pulls far ahead since it doesnt reduce the CD of holy avenger divine purpose is to RNG and with SW increased duration along with the shorter CD of wings you get much more up time on hammer of wrath
I think to maximise DPS you need to do the following: Get 3 holy power and use Inquisition. Then I use Guardian of Ancient kings; after about 10 seconds later throw my Wings Marco (Avenging Wrath,Holy Avenger, and my Crit Trink). Because this lasts 20 seconds, its a higher DPS increase if i have them at the same time e.g: You loose 2 or so seconds of burst if you wait for the 12 stack from the Guardian.
Divine Purpose is the best with 4 PC Tier 16 due to DP proc'ing off of the set bonus and visa versa! I change from Lights hammer to ES depending on the specific fight too! Protectors would be a great example for lights hammer. Hope this helps! Great video though!
I need to know wut addons ur using cuz im kindof a noob at all this stuff and need all the help i can get + it looks way better than vanilla WoW interface :P
what's the next set of guides after things settle down? Druids maybe? it'd be nice
personally I go for a teeth smash and go with holy avenger macro'd along with wings. but your right lvl 75 is all about play style and what works best for you.
Keep em comming mike! It's a pleasure watching them!
I main as a Holy Pally so I use Clemency on my holy build, but I'm not going to use one of my Badass Hands on someone else when I'm Dps minded. I take Unbreakable Spirit, and Sanctified Wrath. Sanctified Wrath is amazing you can use your finisher (Lots of dps) every 3 seconds with Avenging Wrath up. Also I got 29.93% Haste and 43.01% Mastery as a 552 Retribution Paladin, Unbuffed of course. I get my DPs up to 290k Dps with Wings and Guardian, if bloodlust is Available I can hit 340+k Dps.
Honestly, what he was talking about was just his preference. Mine too if I am being honest, I have been a pally since pre BC, back then we were a support class a best. Pallies have remained a support class in my eyes, just look at all the ways we can support our aid, our hands in particular are hands down the best support spells in the game. While you can play a Paladin or any class for that matter, any way you wish I personally think it's a waste not to use your support spells. It certainly does not slow my guild down, I may not be the top of the charts but a well placed hand can very well save a wipe.
Richard Kelley Ahh with how raiding is now days, they all want the AoE support abilities. As long as you use Devotion Aura at the right times you're good. Really the only times I find myself using Hand of Protection other than my self or PvP. Is on trash or maybe a tank missed a taunt and they need stacks removed. Salv when I'm Ret is all mine, and actually now that I got more gear up to 568 I use Clemency for the double Hand of Salvations for threat reduction. Helps on Spoils and Galkaras, just waves of adds...
ScopedPewPew Too be Honest if a tank tunnel visions gains or the other tank gains too many stacks, and needs me to BoP them to clear stacks, He shouldn't be there. And probably the other tank, for not saying anything. Your point is in-valid. I'd only use my Hands if someone messes up and if I don't Correct their mistake I get kicked? Maybe that's why your guild Disbanded... Bunch of Elitist punks, and trust me I've been in progression guilds going for server first, Missed Naxx 25 by 2 days.
blackrockftw You literally have no idea what the Blessing spell actually do, do you? The are preventive if anything, you continue to show your lack of knowledge for your class and roles, this is why you will be a second rate Paladin no matter what gear you are carried to get. The simple fact is the use of Blessings separates the decent players such as yourself and the good Paladins such as the rest of us.
Blessing of Might increases peoples Mastery and Blessing of Kings gives people percentage based Strength, Intellect, and Agility. Or do you mean the old blessings like Blessing of Salvation or Blessing of Wisdom or Blessing of Light, I remember having addons to tell me what paladin buffed what buff on who. Because there were 5 blessing!!! Or do you mean Hands? Be kinda silly for a grand Paladin such as you to confuse your own abilities up like that, right? They only changed it back when Wrath was released. You're not the only one that can be condescending...
with the haste gemming/reforging method is there a haste cap at all with the ret pally like there is with many caster classes?
Divine purpose is okish for 3 fights in SoO (considering you have 4set) Immersius, Galakras, Spoils. Also! You can use 4 set holy pvp bonus for building holy power before you pull. Kinda annoying but meh dps increase!
What is the addon you used to show how much time you had inquisition up
Hey where is that huge temple place and how do you get there?
Absolutely love your vids! Any chance you could do a Hunter series like this and the Mage ones? Will love them either way! Keep it up!
Only thing I have to nitpick with this right now is how you explained Kings & Wrath: When you have Sanctified, you still want to wait for full stacks. You never ever want those two spells linked together- once I picked up on that and got my addons configured for watching trinket procs I had a good 30-50k dps boost regularly.
nah man, because when you pop Kings it increases your str gradually...you want to have wrath up for as long as you can, not just when you git 12 stacks....if youre popping wrath when you hit 12 stacks, the stacks will fade by the time wrath is over
Nick Lilimbakis That's the point- Kings does another burst of damage when it expires. Because of the way Blizzard does their ticks right now (changing in WoD), you want to wait for 12, then get a 20% boost on that, also ensuring you get a 20% boost to the damage Kings does on that final burst. This is, of course, assuming they haven't already fiddled with or I didn't misunderstand the thing entirely, but I don't think I have based on the way my dps spiked when I did that.
I wonder what you think mastery does. If a player isn't good enough to keep up with high haste (and would bad players really get such high haste anyway?) then they are also unlikely to make best use of their cooldowns; which is death to a mastery build.
What's that addon that makes the damage text all neat and to the side?
Which addon do you use to the "V button bars" dunno what their name is.
Love your videos keep the great job.
" big, sturdy Flash of Light directly on myself... "
"Your successful Judgments reduce the cast time and mana cost of your next Flash of Light by 35% per stack and improves its effectiveness by 20% per stack when used to heal OTHERS . Stacks up to 3 times." and besides the name : SELFLESS healer. So... Flash of Light can save others, but no you :D
Can you do one on the Affliction warlock? I'd love to see your take on the new changes.
Wouldn't it be better to cast Avenging Wrath 20 seconds before Kings fades, rather than once the stacks max? I always figured it'd be better to spend Wrath's spare time with partial stacks rather than no stacks after Kings wears off.
Let your stacks build to full- it takes 7-10 seconds. As soon as you see 12 stacks open Wings, regardless of which L75 you took.
Also, I haven't looked into it, but doesn't Divine Storm only benefit from 3+ targets, looking at both DS and TV's bonus's.. TV(275 Wep dmg) and DS(100 Wep dmg) you'll loose 175 wep dmg for one target which is explanatory and loose 75 wep dmg for 2 targets which will build up over the encounter, but gain 25 wep dmg for 3 targets.
It's not about bigger numbers, it's about higher overall dps. Less bigger but much more frequent numbers will push you up on Recount.
what addons do you use? they look really awsome
Such a nostalgia boner for me who played ret and started in mop
hey preach , would you kindly put a 5.4 warlock guide after the paladins ones?
There is no rotation. Just priority system. Just build your HP with Hp generating abilities and dump it. If you have 5 HP use TW in any case. If less and you have one of generating abilities ready use ability not TW. He did nice job explaining this. Tho i like 15+15 movement speed inc but that is my personal choice. Helps lot in fights when you have to move fast constantly (arrows at galakras...) YOu basicly have 2+ HP all the time. ANd if away you build up 2 fast anyway using judge and exo.
its a strong speculation atm for aoe encounters. as divine storm is seeing alot of love with our T16 and the amount of aoe friendly fights in SoO , will be nice to see how that turns out. would be great to see another talent being used that would change up the playstyle in given fights
whats that ? seal see ret ? that's all i heard, looks like a handy addon, whats it actually called so i can look it up or can you link it please mate ? would appreciate a reply because i want that addon.The one that tells you what spell/action to use next.
clc ret
Cell308 ty
Yeah it doesn't say the healing is increased when used on ourselves..but when I use it, it tends to proc more for me and increased healing..also you don't really wanna be using FoL without the insta cast cus you'll loose dmg
Skada can give you the same logs and reports you just need to know where and how to look at them. Recount IS easier but you also take a MUCH bigger memory hit. It's mainly personal preference but if you use Skada you will see why I prefer it. Opening two windows one for healing another for DPS, you pretty much can't with recount. With Skada you can, easily. Skada is just better put together. For casual raiding and shit though Recount is just fine.
Sooo ... Ret and Prot are both Haste? Do they basically just use the same gear/gem/enchants, then? Makes things a lot easier if that's the case.
im having a tough choice between arms warrior and ret pally, i want something with dots, good melee combat, and some ranged attacks, does ret pally fit that well?
ok
May I know what add-ons are you using?
Should I use execution sentence every time it comes of cd or do I sit on it until I get a trinket proc or other cd ready to buff it up?
Above your health n stuff the holy power tracker thing what's this addon??
Sanctified Wrath is probably the best choice for almost every fight in SoO. Divine Purpose is only good an a few bosses as long as you have your 4-set bonus.
Preacher! whats a good "opening" rotation? a lot of people are saying Hammer of Wrath but that isnt an ability you can cast first. SO help a new Pally Player out Brotha! guide my hand and show me the ability to melt some faces! please....
at addon is that? he spams one button and it does the rotation for him? :O
I really prefer Sanctified Wrath over the other two mainly because of its synergy with GotaK and the flow of my rotation the pull. Also I have the CD reduction trinket which is awesome with SW+ Avenging Wrath. Also, You didn't mention the option of Mastery>Haste in gemming and reforging, it's quite good to look at it on a fight per fight basis, the more gear you get from SoO Normal/hc mastery benefits more because of the 4set bonus and amount of bosses with a lot of adds. but its very close cut
Sanctified Wrath, hands down, is the best DPS boost. ESPECIALLY if you have the Evil Eye of Galakras from SoO. My Avenging Wrath has about a 1:40(ish) CD, and with Sanctified Wrath being boosted by an extra 10-seconds. So, overall, I get Avenging Wrath about every minute, which is amazing DPS. As for the T45, Eternal Flame should NEVER be used for the sheer fact that it costs holy power to use.
So how much haste are we shooting for? Is there a cap or just stack as much as we can?
40% haste unbuffed so u have 50% buffed (1 sec global cd) and as much mastery as u can. crit is useless for you
What's the name of the addon where the damage appears at the right side of the char?
I think he's using MSBT, or Mik's Scrolling Battle Text
Hi. Preach can you help me for a bit i payed for MoP and i look at game management and it says frozen. And when i log in it says You have used up your prepaid time for this account please visit to purchase and continue playing.
I know this was a PVE guide, but for PVP Holy prism is a viable choice due to the spread heal and the decent amount of damage.
Well, Ret gear's going to focus on giving lots of Strength socket bonuses whereas Prot doesn't really want Strength, they want Stamina socket bonuses. Not to mention the difference in Tier 16 Ret vs Prot set bonuses. Much the same for enchants as well.
Preach makes the point that yeah, going all-out Stamina for Prot is ridiculous 'cause active mitigation, but it's still often preferable when it comes to enchants and such.
Other than that, though, I'd say yeah the gear's similar. IMO.
2:30 "I'm DPS. Fuck everything else. Fuck all of you."
8:43 "If you do not hit the target...and you are not hit capped: you fucked it right up."
You sir, if you have not already received one, deserve a medal.
Lol he also said "you goofed it!" You dun goofed!!!
Also, according to Elitist Jerks, Light's Hammer pulls ahead of Execution Sentence, if you can use in on 1.7 targets for the full time, on almost every boss except Juggernaut it's better this Tier
Why did you completely ignore Sanctified Wrath? It's the best choice. Where did you your information from?
Hey Preach!
What is you're favorite class in MoP?
He doesn't have enough space for holy prism but he has for execution sentence. OK
I do like to use Holy Prism in PvP sometimes but never in a PvE situation, you will find that your spell casting runs smoothly without out it there so long as you try to maintain 5 holy power. Execution Sentence gives out sweet dps when you burst a target. Not to mention it looks great :P
Like he said don't be permanently stuck on one talent when there are 3 viable options
Head Kicka Sigh. Learn basic math.
***** But that goes against his idea of not wanting to min max, because 2 global cooldowns over the course of a full minute instead of just 1 won't affect your dps so badly that it completely removes holy prism from being a thinkable choice.
In my Gear (528, bad 510 weapon) it sims around 5k+ DPS on Singletarget. For bosses where you need atleast some AoE, Holy Avenger pulls ahead quite fast.
Been waiting for this :D
Hello Preach, After 5.4 hit, I feel like I lost a lot of dps on my Feral Druid. Would you please let me know when your Feral 5.4 guide coming out. Thanks for all the helpful and entertaining videos! Keep it up.
That's true, but it uses less memory because it offers less functionality, that doesn't make it "better", nor makes Recount "bad". And honestly, the difference is maximum 2-3 MB of Ram, pretty negligible nowadays.
Ahhhh im searching a long time for this addon which "cooldown" your Inquisition please please tell me wich it is :)
Just started using a ret pally and i'm pulling tons of aggro. Any tips on how to pull less?
turn off righteous fury
gamblor67 It's not on.
Chris Franks lol. That's what I figured was wrong just didn't want to be a dick.
Jazz Hedrick If a mob runs from a tank and isnt immediately grabbed by a tank and hes NOT stunned or otherwise able to move...hes bein a noob.
You will pull aggro like a boss, but yeah need better tanks cause they seem to blow if they cannot pick it back up. Nothing you can do about it either.
I tried both out and i will have to say personally I like Sanctified Wrath better and it does around 5-10k dps overall but I agree that Holy Avenge would be better if you need to burst in a more quick but would still recommend Sanctified Wrath for PvE
its a "possible" dps increase for fights that have constant aoe. and a stress the word possible. other than that its sanctified wrath. unless the player dosn't know how to use the right ability after every hammer of wrath. its 1-2% dps difference at the top end of play between wrath and avenger.. but DP is purely aoe driven through divine storm procs
What addon show the holy power meter?
"Currently, Sanctified Wrath provides the highest DPS of the three talents, so we advise taking it. The difference between all three talents is quite small though."
Source: Icy Veins.
Sanc Wrath and Divine Purpose depends on the boss, with T16 4 set, Divine Purpose is better.
only fight DP can pull ahead is spoils depending on how u open boxes with or without 4 pc
Lets hear now, why is Recount bad? It gives much more detailed charts to study rotations, it's not just as meter, it's a very powerful tool if you know how to use it.
lights hammer is best if you have 2 targets every time the cd is up, and sanctified wrath is better than holy avenger.
Helped me a lot dude thanks :)
When is the legacy of the paladin coming up?
How to play Retri?
Same as in every other patch since Outland was released, hit ALL the buttons.
i have a ret paly 535 ilvl, and my first burst against the dummy is 160/170 k. but when wings over, my dps become realy low, like 120 and even less, like 100k, im doing the rotation wrong?, or is this the damage that i have to do with a paladin?
That is it for ret. We are built for burst damage. Also it will improve depending on how you have your stats balance. for me I do on avg. with out inq up all the time around 100k-130k dmg and that is because i keep my haste and mastery roughly even 33+% on each(thats without my mastery booster either) and my bursts go from 200-300k then back down. But for generalness yes you seem to be ok, that is how we are built sadly.
t ru My dps grow a bit, i just put in yellow 320 Haste, red 80 str and 120 haste, blue Haste and hit. no one of my gems are of str, i change it all of them and with the Elixir of 1000 str i can keep 150k dps, or get down to 140k, my burst now is 260k, i cant reach more higher but is a start, i just need the cloak.
Enli
t ru 100k-130k? thats low as hell dude, i can do 130k without poppin anything, with poppin dps boost, 425k-500k
And what class are you and what is your ilevel? Cause 100-130k base dps for a ret pally with my ilevel is high. I am only ilevel 540 with no leg cloak, and running no normal or heroic gear. So yeah what class and ilevel are you again?
why isnt gemming 80str 160 haste good for yellow/red slots? isnt a balance of the 2 better?
We want to see a shadowpriest Guide next! :)
As always, great video bro.
I remember when we used to have both Divine Purpose and Holy Avenger as standard. :(