Kudos! What an absolutely masterful production! I can't imagine haw much work, time, and effort went into creating this but I'm so very happy it was created. Wow.
How could it be both nature vs nurture, because if it is nature made no need for it to be any other, if it is nurture, that means he developed it before nature would have therefore it could only be one or the other.
@@skinnaholiccc6951 strategy....I do this with my patients as well. If you come off too strong, they may close up and stop talking. Start off easy.... make them feel comfortable
It was by the book. A book ya'll don't know, a book that got the cops to Jane in a matter of minutes, on the spot, and her out of the house. A book that saved her life, literally, even if you do not grasp it. And good that you do not. A book none of you internet keyboard experts have a place to judge.
Yeah that was intense, she couldn't shout "come back". I was thinking oh no the guys going come and kill her, and the interview will be her murder case.
@@rasalasad5315 for sure I thought he was gonna wake up and get her. I was so pissed at those cops. Coming up to the door, waiting for a only a few seconds, and then walking away. I found that so hard to believe that I then thought she might be hallucinating it all. She's telling dispatch they're walking away and for them to come back. Her having to say just didn't seem real.
I cannot believe that "Jane" had to tell the dispatcher to tell the cops to come back. Like can you imagine them being so close to rescuing you and then they start walking away? That is BEYOND terrifying. EDIT: Had to put "Jane" in quotation marks for the people that were confused. (Read comment replies)
@@zaceryhammond1144 I don't think they implied they thought that was her real name at all. It's literally just a name to refer to the victim so it makes sense to use it in this context
@@B___848 that’s the reality. When it takes minutes for officers to respond to another officer shot, it would take at least that long for citizens. Not enough officers to cover every street at all times. You can only protect yourself in the end.
I thought it was snoring as well, but after listening a bit longer I think it is some other kind of interference or noise that is coming across in the audio. Haven't finished watching the video so maybe it is explained later.
When she said "tell them to come back" I was like what, they LEFT!? That situation was absolutely terrifying and this woman was so brave and collected the whole time. My heart goes out to her.
The police probably thought they were at the wrong house. Her sweet voice saying to come back was heart breaking. Poor lady. I hope she's doing okay these days.
@@I.See.That.Youre.Mentally.Ill. true but they should have kept looking my god. she said that it was probably abandoned and everything so it pisses me off that they just assumed they were at the wrong house or even on the wrong street. she was risking her life. you look through every room of that fucking house until you find her! she even told them it was yellow. it seems like they didn't give a shit to me even if they did.
@@imsotiredofthiscrap2341 honestly, the operator was only asking her questions to keep her on the line to establish she’s still with us. it upset me with all the questions given her circumstances; i don’t believe she was in a position to be holding conversation & the operator could have been more sensitive to that. given with your observation, & my own the cops didn’t take much of the information into consideration. very sad, but happy she made it with her life. a strong woman, with a brave heart of gold. i hope she gets all she can desire, & you as well! wishing you well 🧡
@@maitri4063 Yeah, but I think the operator kinda has to do that, keep the conversation going, to make sure she's still there, she's responsive, the situation isn't changing, they aren't on the move etc. At first it was weird to me when the operator asked if the house she was in was owned by the abductor, but then I thought that it probably makes indentifying him easier if he escapes before the police get there for example. A situation like that can change dramatically in seconds, so the more information the operator gets, the better, especially if it escalates or goes sideways. And the operator told her a few times that if she can't talk, she can put the phone down, just stay on the line.
There are much, much worse dispatch calls out there too... For example the teen who slowly crushed to death in his car cause dispatch thought he was playing a joke
@@riga or the one where the lady drive in a lake on accident, & the dispatch officer was telling her it was her fault and she should’ve been more careful & giggling at her … she drowned before they could locate her
Jane is walking amongst us today. I hope she has found peace and happiness. I hope she knows none of this was her fault and she doesn’t feel any guilt towards herself. She is a brave brave woman.
The recording you hear is the operators end, a headset and microphone, even if they wispered itd be clear,, not the victims end, the victim is able to turn the phone down
@@carlyfischer1425 they’re not always able to turn it down or think too. I was standing in front of a 500 pound bear frozen ice cold. I was trying to be quiet but couldn’t think clearly enough to turn my phone down while my friend was yelling. It instantly saw me, and I barely made it out with my life. I couldn’t think at all because I was in shear terror.
She was so terrified but she answered all the questions and was able to lead officers to get her help. She’s so brave for being able to stay collected on that phone call.
I seriously was about to have an anxiety attack listening to the 911 calls. The girl was whispering and scared, on top of that the dispatcher kept asking questions but acted very swiftly, kudos to that. So glad she made it out. 👍
I was terrified for her. The questions from the 911 dispatcher were a little over the top for me, I understand that they need to get as much info but some of the questions that she was asking this poor girl who was trying to stay quiet I think was unnecessary, then the cops showing up and the dispatch having to tell them to come back WOW !! Cudos to that girl. She was Terrified 😨
I know like stf up already! Maybe she thought it would keep her mind busy talking to her, having her answer questions. Then again, she gleaned a whole lot of information that may possibly have become hazier around the edges after the adrenaline wore off and her brain began to try and deal with the trauma.
Rebekah Leicy was my aunt. I held off listening to Shawn's confession for a long time, I never thought one of my loved ones would have had to die in such a cruel way. She's still very loved and missed every day!
I love how you tubers who are normal people make better documentaries than huge companies with big budgets. This isn’t dramatized it’s just straight to the point and only the facts. Jane is a brave woman and I hope she’s able to heal and one day be able to think about this without overwhelming emotion but as something that happened and had passed
My mom lives in the area and met this guy a few weeks before this happened. She said she felt bad for him and almost gave him a ride. Eternally grateful that she walked away.
@@yeah._. he walked up to her outside of her job when she was getting off work, middle of the day. Said he was walking to a city that’s like a 30 minute drive from where they were and it was hot out, and asked for a ride, said she didn’t get any weird vibes she just felt bad for him. She ended up walking back into her work to grab something and when she came back out he was walking away.
I love how I can’t sit down for 90 minutes to watch a movie in one sitting, but somehow just watched a 3+ hour documentary on UA-cam. Love the new long form videos, keep up the amazing work!
Because of the reality of all of it. The reality. The truth is far, FAR more compelling and stranger than fiction, and it always has been, and it always will be.
H U H!!?!?! When I read the first half of the comment I thought you were implying you can't watch a 90min movie but you can watch a 90min UA-cam documentary and I thought "WOW REALLY?? THIS VID IS 90MINS LONG??!?!?" I Thought it was 25-35mins tops, then I get to the part where you mention it's three hours and I'm just kinda confused so I go check and I'M AT 2:35:37 WHERE DID THE TIME GO WHAAAAT!!?!?!?!
Yes, I love his no nonsense style. Without wasting time he collects exactly all the evidence he needs to. You can tell his feelings towards Shawn aren't exactly friendly but he hides them perfectly. - Admirable work, sir!
I do think it also depends on person who they questioning. coz this shawn guy thought he didnt saying much at the start and then got clapped with questions based on his answers
Mad respect for the interrogator that managed to stay kind, respectful and sympathetic sitting across this disgusting human being. You saved the families of those whose lives were lost.
It's so worth pointing out that this female officer got him to fess up to crimes that were being investigated for over 10 years. And she solved 5 of them in under 24 hours. She's like a real life superhero
She reminds me of the Chris Watts polygraph interrogator who pulled a confession out of him in minutes. I think it has something to do with that feminine lack of testosterone driven ego
If Jane Doe ever reads this, I want her to know she didn't only save her life with her bravery but she's a hero for bringing closure to the other victims families and allowing them to rest in peace. She's also a hero in preventing this to happen to anyone else! God Bless you, you're a total rockstar and you're in my prayers!
I agree %100000 ❤ I couldn't even imagine that happening. Being tied up in a room, steal His phone to call 911, trying to be qs quiet as possible and Pray he doesn't hear you and wake up - 😯 I hope she's doing well 🤗 Normally I'm all about the death penalty. But I think that's to easy for this guy - one can only hope what he did to women happens to him in there. Many times.
I don't know her personally, but I lived in Ashland when this happened and yes, she is a certified badass! They knocked the houses down where he was squatting abs holding her, because she STILL LIVES IN TOWN. He took her from her home once, she's not letting him take her hometown too. Absolute legend.
I couldnt find better words! Thats why we gotta report every.single.incident! Its important to protect others from going through anything like this, even if its not as horrifying as this case - its giving me the chills! 🥶
It's literally their JOB to ask all the right questions, so that someone in that situation CAN stay as silent as possible while giving them the info they need for the rescue.
Imo the dispatcher should have stopped asking open ended questions and switched to yes or no questions (as much as possible). Then Jane wouldn't have needed to talk so much. Like instead of asking "where is he?" she could've asked "is he in the room with you? Is he awake?" Etc
Theyre trained to ask as many questions as possible, if anything happens itll be recorded plus most of the time it can help keep the person focused on the call rather thN ytheir stressful situation. Also they end up doing a portion of the witness or suspect interrogation before the cops even arrive. The more info the better
They do not ask the right questions though. There are 3 Questions, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, WHERE ARE YOU, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? @@DevonD1v1n3 Arguably you can have some subquestions for questions 3. For example: "What is your condition?" "What does the location you are at look like?" (For officer safety, that I quite frankly do not care about in the slightest, it is THEIR JOB TO HELP the people in need, not their job to protect themselves and their breed. They chose a risky job, don't expect a victim to be a professional just so you don't get hurt doing your job. The dispatcher kept talking when the woman said "I woke him up" that is the dumbest and most ridiculous thing imaginable. She could have killed her with that decision. Absolutely ridiculous. Your dispatchers need more training and more situational awareness.
She's so scared, she's afraid to even run out the door. My heart dropped so many times for her. The horrors she must've experienced, my mind can't even imagine.
Same here. I was picturing myself having gone through that horrific situation/ event. She's incredibly brave & smart as well. I wouldn't call her lucky though she definitely could have been killed by the hand of that maniac if she had made other choices. May this story show that we should always be safe etc.
It absolutely broke my heart when Jane started crying on the call. When the dispatcher asked her where she was bleeding from, the silence afterwards made it clear as day what had happened to her. So utterly horrifying.
I got a lump in my throat when she started crying. I wanted to tell that operator to shut the hell up and stop asking that poor woman questions. I truly hope that woman got some well deserved therapy and has supportive friends and family.
@@presterjohn9088 you clearly do not understand how 911 operators work and why they ask so many "stupid" questions. Do some research before you judge them.
Jane, whoever you are, wherever you are. You’re one hell of a woman. One of the most brave, calm, and collected individuals I’ve heard in an awful situation. I hope you’re doing well now
@@IDK-kv8ob Not funny. I didn't laugh. Your joke is so bad I would have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up re-telling me the joke. To be honest this is a horrible attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn't even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I can't believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I'm not saying this to be funny i genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You've single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet. I'm so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You're lucky i still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again. We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. Im disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my pathetic brain understanding that joke. In the time that took i was planning on helping kids who have been orphaned, but because of that you've wasted my time explaining the obscene integrity of your terrible attempt at comedy. Now those kids are suffering with out meals and there's nobody to blame but you. I hope you're happy with what you have done.
I knew he had mother issues the moment he started to open up to the female investigator. She had a maternal caring tone, accepting him how only a loving mother could. and he just melted into it. Bravo to that investigator
No. Because we all know how important it is. Also the world is filled with millions of women who were abused by their fathers, sometimes even sexuaIIy. And sometimes by their mothers too. And SOMEHOW they don't turn into this. He can f off with his "mother issues". He's the issue and probably was since birth.
@@perfectlypancho9777 But why tell the officer about the other killings? that he KNEW they knew nothing about. Maybe he wanted the death penalty? cause it doesn't seem like he was the bragging type. IDK something about this whole thing still seems strange that he would confess all THAT.
This might have been the scariest 911 call iv ever heard in my life. Just listening to him snore like a grizzly bear was shocking she was that close having this whole conversation literally narrating everything going on from what the house looks like to its exact location!! She is so brave! And i got so excited when dispatch said patrolmen were in her location. So glad she made it out of there.
There’s a scarier one where an old lady called 911 about an intruder with a knife, the intruder found her and proceeded to stab her to death while still on call with police and you can hear her screams
it takes a very special kind of person to be able to sit there and talk to a serial killer like a baby, as he describes all the innocent people he's murdered. I'm glad she can, because I surely can't
Honestly, if someone told me that in the moment, Id be more interested in the story and getting all the info. Thats the kind of headspace you need to be in to be an interrogator
Think of it like unblocking a drain. You end up having to watch a river of foul smelling shit flow past you but it's overshadowed by the relief that the job is done and you can now use your toilet.
Man, that 911 call was so intense, especially when the taser went off and he woke up. My heart sunk and I kept thinkin, "please be ok. Tell me she was able to get out and is safe". Finally hearing the cops telling her to come out was such a relief. She's a really brave woman and doing what she did saved her life and possibly lives of others since this monster was found and put away. I hope she's ok now.
Something about going to a supposed friend's house at night to play Yahtzee because you can't sleep and ending up murdered by them is so incredibly heartbreaking to me. It's such an innocent thing to try to do to find some comfort
It’s so fcking scary that we can’t just be innocent beings anymore… bobbing around on walks, meeting people and trusting them to go play board games or Yahtzee. Not even as full grown adults. Great world love etttttt
@@ravenblue The thing is, you never could. There was never a time when humans were safe to be around. The difference is that these things weren't reported or properly investigated before. In a lot of ways, the rise of forensics, modern investigating and the true crime genre that these advancements have brought us is a sign we are moving in the right direction, bringing these stories to light and catching more perpetrators than we ever have in history.
lol he lied way too much. it was a damn abandoned house drug den and they were probably sitting there with no electricity, high and bored and busted out the yahtzee that was sitting in the old houses pile of crap. person said something that he didn't like and he snapped. he seems to hate when people act "good". he seems to think everyone is as warped as him and when they dont admit it he gets mad. he didnt jane because she was the real deal and she was able to tolerate him all that time without setting of his schizo feelings of being judged or whatever.
*I swear the first ten minutes my whole body was so tense. And I didn't even realize it until she was out and my body relaxed. This brave young lady did an amazing job of staying calm. There's no doubt in my mind that her bravery and heroism saved many other young lives.* 😳
@Just Browsing Oh wow. I didn't expect notifications from youtube of someone answering my comment right away and in such a rude and nonsense way 'play with your toys' i wonder if you keep on mirroring yourself in everything you say in here because no one talked about toys... good night
At first, I was annoyed at the dispatcher for asking so many questions, then I thought if the assailant suddenly wakes up or runs away, the dispatcher already has a detailed description which will make it easier to track him.
just wanted to tell her to shut up with all the questions, cuz it might wake him up. That man must have been drugged or something to not wake up with all that talking around him.
People keep saying she's calm but she's trying to stay quiet and I can hear her silent panic. I was in a similar situation 21 years ago, I was 17. A guy I had recently met, had me come over and forced me to stay with him, and I was assaulted so so many times. I was only about 90lbs and he had a knife, I don't know if he'd have actually used it but I was too afraid to try to get away or even struggle against him. I was there with him for a few days. I kept trying to convince him to just let me leave, I wouldn't tell anyone what happened, etc. I tried to appease him and act like I was enjoying his company. I think he was on meth because he didn't sleep at all until the 3rd night, the whole time he just watched tv and ranted about crazy stuff, and occasionally would assault me, I couldn't go to the bathroom by myself, eventually he had crashed but making sure to keep his leg against me. We didn't have cell phones in those days so I had no way to call help. I waited for a long time, and I occasionally would test what would happen if I just moved and broke physical contact with him, and when I saw that he wasn't reacting or stirring, I started to move away gradually. I remember the fear of waking him up and trying to quietly leave the room, and then the mobile home we were in. I remember getting outside and just running as fast as I could, across the street was a gas station, I practically flew there. I can feel it again listening to Jane's phone call. She sounds "calm" but she has to be, even though you're reeling in terror, you really have no choice but to keep it together and stay as quiet as you can. I am glad she got out.
This woman was so calm on the phone. What an amazing brave thing to have done. And needless to say that this dispatcher, I was trying to get as much detail as possible in case something went wrong before the police got there, but it was giving me so much anxiety.
The female interrogator was incredible. She single handidly drew other murders an so much information out of him simply by being kind an compassionate.
@@manda-om9ls yeah. She treated him like a human despite all he'd done. She did her job very well and put to one side all that other stuff, pretty remarkable
You do understand that they are sending the police as soon as they understand the situation and know where to send them? In this call the police where sent after Jane Doe's first sentence. The rest of the dispatchers questions is to gather information about the perpetrator, how the person looks like, is he armed, name etc, in case anything happens or he flees and also to gather crucial information for the police whom where sent to the scene.
@@terminatorougtifv Jane Doe is what the call her. Her name isn't released anywhere as per the whole case surrounding her was keeping her identity secret. Even during trials she was called Jane Doe if I remember correctly bc they didnt want her to be exposed to all the press and people harassing her.
What Jane went through is awful but look how many women she has saved with her courage for survival. I hope she finds peace and knows that she is a hero.
Totally true. What most victims don't realize or learn too late is the amount of potential victims they saved by being as strong as they are and facing their attacker head on. If it weren't for them, lord only knows how many others would have suffered the same fate.
The irony of a guy killing people because he hates the fact that they're weak and on public assistance, and yet he himself cannot hold down a job and is illegally living in somebody else's abandoned home.
He projected his self-loathing and deficiencies on his victims and lashed out against them on account of them. Note when he kept talking about Jane Doe and _her_ lust he was talking about _his_ own lust for her! An absolute mental case.
@@choukoooo Dont think so..ever been in the big house? Nothing comfy about it..And btw, rapists and woman murderers are seen and treated as the lowests , i can asure you he wishes he was dead.
I think the fact he was able to work but because of the child support he was not able too. It would catch up with him and he would never get ahead. But he sees capable people with no reason not to work collecting money that he could never collect.
Good lord, that phone call at the beginning had me at the edge of my seat. I was.... absolutely frightened for that poor woman; I could hear the fear in her voice and I was getting anxiety listening to her. I'm so sorry she had to go through all of that and I'm extremely relieved that she got out alive.
nothing gives me anxiety. my first experience of it was watching that phone call. super disturbing. love to see him in cuffs after tying up multiple women
I KNOW right like FUCK man. my watch said my heart rate was at 107bpm and I could feel my heart beating. i let out a HUGE sigh of relief when I heard the police say "GET OUT HERE". i didn't realize i was holding my breath lol
yeah i was saying hurry the f up police... when you need help time moves so slow, i called an ambulance for my mom who was throwing up, dizzy, sounded like she was in labor screaming randomly.. which luckily ended up being a severe vertigo attack and she was okay later/throughout the week, but waiting for them to show up you wanted to call again cause it feels so so long, feels like they don't know the address and you panic
Jane Doe deserves insane praise for being able to not only save herself with the phone call but also get this monster off the streets so he can't hurt anybody else
I was thinking also about how she might've been brushed off if she escaped and reported afterwards instead of calling from the scene of the crime. It's definitely not unheard of
That beginning call was SO stressful since I didn't know where the call would go. I was dreading the possibility of him waking up, but fortunately he didn't and Jane managed to escape
Yea I was freaking out too. I was sitting there in the last moments as saying, "get out! Just open the door and run for it! The cops will see you. Either that or bash him with something heavy."
@@LongShlongDaddy 5 minutes isn't slow enough for this sorry excuse of a human being. He robbed people of their lives, and he robbed "Jane Doe" of her purity and chance to give it to the person she loved and chose to marry. IMO there's not a punishment in this world bad enough for him.
The woman that interviewed him was so kind and sympathetic. I don't know how she kept her composure. And the fact you can faintly hear her heartbeat just makes it even more unbelievable.
I was so appalled when she was calling 911 - the woman is desperate and the dispatcher is asking such stupid questions what colour are his eyes. Wtf????? They were chatting for half an hour instead of sending the police. Shame on that dispatcher, i hope she will get fired
Genuinely confused how the officers came up to the door and were told to push on the door and then started moving on to the next house? I'm glad in the end Jane Doe was safe but the added trauma of looking out the window and seeing them start to leave must have been terrifying. What a brave woman. I am in awe
I live in Ashland and the cops absolutely suck here. I know from first hand experience. They kicked in my back door and destroyed it - and I had called them asking to remove a drunk person from my yard - destroying my flower beds. I told them I was coming to the door and instead of waiting 2 second for me to flip the lock - they kicked it in. They are lazy one minute, and gung no for all the wrong reasons the next minute. It’s no shock to me they messed things up here!
@@michaelaurban4120 maybe they were trying to prevent the situation you went through......can't win if you're a cop. You just complained about them kicking in your door, then complain they didn't kick in this door..........your logic is horrible.
Went to school with him, never saw this coming. Lost touch after we graduated but a buddy would see him every now and then and say he was doing good. Then the news broke, we were all shocked.
Jane Doe : My kidnapper is literally sleeping right next to me Dispatcher : Glad you called, we've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty
Right??? That lady should have lost her job. She should have had her stay on the line but muted the dispatcher so he couldn't hear NOT keep asking her. Life's story. She could have gotten Jane killed
Jane's voice kept getting quieter and with each word I could sense she was more and more afraid. So urgent, yet so quiet... I can't imagine her terror in that moment. I'm glad she got out of there. I hope the families of the killed women are healing and are well. Same goes for Jane's family. And for her. Great narration. Especially the body language analysis.
As a former investigator, this is one of the greatest, most interesting and in depth docs I've ever seen on a subject like Mr. Grate. The production and research is fantastic and the continuity is flawless. Please do more episodes like this, I'm definitely now a huge fan!! Thanks from NYC!!
The analysis and presentation was excellent, very strong filmmaking, especially the voiceover, but the subject knew he was toast the minute he admitted to abduction. He wanted to go to jail for the rest of his life -he stated it at the outset.
As a former investigator, then you should spend some time ADVISING POLICE DEPARTMENT on better training their dispatchers? Competent Crime Officers should be using this as a sample of how to BETTER TRAIN their dispatchers though; Wasting time on questions that won't matter anyway; who CARES which house he lived in?!! Poor girl-hope she SUED THE POLICE FOR BEING SO STUPID! Oh, if you're worried you don't need to talk right now! Now, the dispatcher figures she should stop making the poor victim talk???Who trains these people to yap on the PHONE ? Get your officers to head to that LAUNDROMAT STUPID ! Be better for the OFFICERS if the DISPATCHER doesn't CAUSE the guy to wake up and run, wouldn't ir? they're not even protecting our OFFICERS, their stupid dispatcher is ALLOWING this to escalate! RIDICULOUS protocol! A GREAT BBC Crime show is " A Touch of Frost"...an inspector with a heart and a sharp sense of questioning. But it those you might note that women walking alone at night seems to be a bad habit of the writers ? "I Ain't no Middleman" FredGold
The 2nd detective is the MVP. I truly believe if it wasn't for her, they'd never find the other victims. The 1st detective just started to lose control in mood and fustration. (Understandably)
@@aaroneasow865 I agree wholeheartedly. A lot of links were established due to the first detective which would’ve carried over to the second detective’s interrogation
Wow, not even his mother defended him and straight up called him the devil. What a disgusting monster, the fact that he tried to justify his actions is mind blowing
The ironic part is that shes the one responsible for his birth and upbringing. Convenient to wash your hands of the mess you created and cite ‘iTs tHe DeViL’
@@WolfPackM98c that’s not true, you can raise a person one way and expect them to be a good member of society, but things can happen that you don’t know about, and your kid is lost and you no longer have that control
@@KoffeeMom agreed! And the sooner our society understands that some personalities when exposed to various forms of abuse. The type of child that is sensitive and gentle in nature can be hurt so deeply by the adult figure in their life, it causes deep fractures in trust and the ability to exhibit empathy, that combined with mental illness has been a disastrous combination. We have seen many serial killers have a wide range of mommy issues.
Massive props to Detective Major. I am at a loss as to how she didn’t throttle him in the interrogation room. Also, never seen a cop be able to get a serial killer to confess to everything without a print to do so. Give this woman a raise!
The arrogance to claim “I planned for her to escape” is astonishing. I don’t even think he said that to lessen his obvious guilt. I think he said it because he’s humiliated she got the better of him and escaped! She outsmarted him.
@@ThorenTravels I agree, just watching the interview with Mager we can see how back and forth he was. I think he put the bag together and thought if she gets away ok, if not I’ll kill her.
@Beth Scott I think what this monster was feeling was remorse for her. This is like a game for these types and he hates himself for the things he has done. He is playing the escape scenario out in his head because he WANTS to get caught but is a coward. He is aware of his actions and wants to be stopped. So he may be lying about "allowing her to get away" but I think it is a little deeper than just that.
Holy crap!!! That 911 call sent my anxiety through the roof!!! What an incredibly brave woman. Was close to tears listening to that and can't even imagine how scared she was when the Police started walking away. Could hear the desperation in telling them to come back and how much she wanted to shout out. I hope she's ok now
I exhorted that dispatcher to Shhhh! all call long !!I was si afraid he get awaken by the dispatcher! That girl is a real hero! I really hope life is good with her.
She should have found a heavy object and brained him before calling 911. If we got lucky she could have saved us hundreds of thousands of tax dollars by not having to feed, clothe and house this pile of shit until he dies.
I’m glad that they respected janes privacy, some channels don’t bother, but it’s small things like this that make me happy, it gives me a tiny bit of faith in humanity that I can immediately loose to the next true crime video I watch
@@jagirl_vendetta2197 I didnt catch that are you sure? There was one point they named someone named Monica? Or something similar and I thought they slipped. But then I realized they were referring to somebody else they talked to.
I love that this entire video keeps the victim in mind. Throughout the interview, we get little snippets of Jane's story and crime scene evidence just to cut through Shawn's obvious lies and deflections of what really happened. I feel like, especially with crimes like these, the victim gets overshadowed a bit and the focus is mostly on the suspect/perpetrator. Great job!
@@niniw6252 That's not what happened here. They censored her name, kept a lot of what happened private out of respect to her, but I don't think you can tiptoe around that fact that the perp was a r*pist and kidnapper. I was talking about how in crime documentaries, there seems to be this fascination with the perp to the point where uncovering the story and "mental illness" behind it makes the victims unheard and sometimes ignored entirely. I think the victim and their family should always be prioritized over a despicable human being who caused so much trauma and loss.
@@niniw6252 by this I think they mean they’re happy that the focus is what he did to his victims, and the people that they were, and showing that his stories were just stories, and that the victim was telling the truth.
I’ve heard the 911 call a bunch and it is the most stressful call I’ve ver heard. I can not imagine the terror that poor woman went through. Judging by the dead bodies he was never ever going to let her go
Just listening to the call, it felt like an ETERNITY for the officers to get there... I cannot even imagine what that was like for her. Her bravery not only saved her life, but that of who knows how many others.
Well, they didn't have an exact address, and the odds are that there's not even any police departments nearby. They were in the neighborhood for a couple of minutes before finding the exact house, so I'd say they did an admirable job getting there in time to help.
@@MikadoYuma I wasn't condemning the job they did or the speed in which they got there. I was just sharing that, in just listening to her while she was on the phone, it felt like an eternity, and that I could not imagine being her, in the house, waiting for them to get there; how just a few minutes felt like an eternity.
@@tracysires6826 ... and being naked, so vulnerable. Knees shaking. She was so brave; it's get out like this or die. It would have felt like forever, looking through a long tunnel.
This woman’s bravery is beyond compare. The suspense during that call was insane, not even the greatest horror movie could even hold a candle. Thank goodness those officers found her.
@@wbergie7847 You misunderstood, I was saying that the level of suspense isn’t able to be replicated. She’s brave to be able to overcome it 😒 but go ahead get offended if you want
I’d just like to say shame on all those who wrote fan mail to this man and all those who fantasise and treat these monsters like celebrities. You’re truly effed up yourself if you do this.
Dispatcher: what is his favorite food? Dispatcher: what is his favorite movie? Dispatcher: if he could choose one place to vacation where would it be? Dispatcher: what is his favorite color? Dispatcher: what brand toothpaste does he use?
But that moment of feeling like they are saved just by breaking through to the dispatcher can make them have a moment of feeling saved, which intern can cause them to slip up and lose their instincts and talking too much is one of them. Do not ever think that these demons and flesh are not on high alert ready to end your life and there's just to get away with one more fix. After all you are weak and powerless over a person who has empathy, and is malignantly pleasured by the act.
The female interrogator, Mager, was brilliant! Her composure and care were perfect. It's unexpected, but a caring voice, even to a killer, can crack the shell.
We're all nutjobs. Some nutjobs enough to make a harsh comment towards our significant others, some nutjobs enough to kill 10 people. It's human nature to be nurtured to nurture, and to be neglected to neglect. That nurturing might save a person, and that neglect might kill one someday.
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 Sometimes, not always. I have a slew of mental (& physical) illnesses, nurture was not what you'd consider that word to mean in my life. 1 parent, poverty, and she didn't even know how to raise me, although she tried her best. Yet so far, I'm doing ok keeping a kill count at zero. You gotta have some evil nature to do this, no matter what nurture was like, imo. But I agree with your last sentence 100% And it's not someday, that happens every day.. sadly. People start caring often when it's much too late, even when those in need ask for help. This is especially true for mentally ill.
I, as a listener, was like omg, stop asking questions, get the police there now. This lady was so calm, given her situation. I pray she is healing in all ways. She saved others lives, no doubt
I never thought I'd be watching a serial killer documentary and see a person I used to serve at a local bar as one of the victims. Kind of in shock. Very, very sad.
@zizag online Thank you. Although this took place a while ago, I don't know what families of victims see, and don't want to make anything harder on them. When we don't see a regular customer coming in anymore, we assume they just started going to a different bar or moved away. No one expects to hear they were murdered by a serial killer in such a horrific way. Its chilling to the bone, and my prayers are with all these families.
I loved this so much! Hes toying with them. His narcissism is blatantly obvious. You can see how excited he gets with the female officer. She's like FBI profiler level. Making him feel like he's not a bad guy and that she knows how he feels. They know they have him as soon as she went in there. Narcissistic psychopaths can't help but to fall for this. You have to play their game. Sending a woman in there was perfect reverse psychology. Sometimes to catch these people is to be those people. Excellent video! This is the first one I watched that got me hooked on your channel. There are so many true crime channels but this one is my favorite. The editing is awesome. I love that you will pause occasionally during the interrogation to explain to people the back story and explain how and why the interrogaters do what they do. Just fantastic work! Thank you!
Its funny, I know people from there from the internet. They get duis for fun over in that general region. One of them told me that prison was a great place to be that straigtens you out. Its looney tunes out there in ohio lol.
The way my anxiety shot up the roof when she was about to open the door and leave the room. What a brilliant woman. I hope you are able to move past this trauma and live a happy, safe life.
Hopefully she has the sense to not trust people as much anyway. Unless you really, really know somebody which honestly you never truly know somebody if you think about it, trust nobody. If the guy says he wants to give her some clothes, great. Bring another dude with her and say it's just to help carry everything. If that makes him act sketchy and weird, well there's your answer right there.
@@voteZDLR quite victime blaming, hopefully she won't meet other psycho yeah, hopefully guys like him will get arrested before commiting their 7th or I don't even know how many offences, hopefully guys will stop being dangerous one day
@@laural.b7515 I am not victim blaming. Victim blaming would be me saying "serves the bitch right I hope she gets kidnapped again for being so stupid". No, quite literally, trust nobody. This world is fucked. That's just common sense. Nice try SJW.
This happened in my hometown. The 911 call, unfortunately, was farmed out to another county to answer our calls. That dispatcher knew nothing about our town or where she was talking about. This shook our tiny town to it's core. To have a serial killer in our community, squatting in a house, and killing women. Kudos to our officers and investigators for finding out he has killed before and would have continued , if not the bravery of Jane.
What about the dispatcher? She did an excellent job that you've overlooked because the 911 call was out of town, as far as I'm aware its gonna be pretty rare to get a 911 operator that has grown up local to the person they are speaking to?
@@Carlitoast_ Damn your on your game but you know she better was on a cellphone. Remember abandoned house . No landline. If he had a landline in there he’s a fool.
I really wish there was a widespread 911 texting line for things like this. It would be so much safer for victims in these types of situations if they could quietly text instead of having to talk RIGHT NEXT TO HER KIDNAPPER
Let's talk about the people who've sent him fan mail. Those individuals need serious psychological screening, help and need to be monitored a little more closely! 😢
Any criminal (serial killer, rapist, etc) has fans. That’s just how it is. You can’t keep an eye on every person that idolizes criminals, there just aren’t enough good people in the world to watch over the bad.
So happy she was brave enough to make that call.. These other cases probably would probably never have been solved and thanks to the female detective who got him to talk, building a rapport with him.
The first interrogation officer deserves credit as well-he stayed on track and kept the suspect a bit off balance while using a whole bunch of techniques: “befriending,” confronting, using the suspect’s own words to point out inconsistencies, etc. I have great respect and admiration for (most) police officers. In just an eight hour shift they may have to respond to dangerous situations, use their knowledge of laws, take unenthusiastic people into custody, assess health conditions and give resuscitation care as appropriate, interrogate suspects, get “physical” and accurately document each interaction. Amazing people!!
She is such a brave person. I couldn't even imagine what she felt like and was going through. She's also a hero In my opinion because she help find other people he killed she helped a lot of souls. I hope she's doing okay.
@@SqueakyWheel__Inc. It's a necessary part of their job.... Every bit of information can be helpful for them to find her and know what they're walking into. She did tell she didn't have to talk if she couldn't, after all. Which she did. And it all worked out.
@@SqueakyWheel__Inc. dont spew like that if you dont know what youre talking about. imagine the man woke up, killed the woman calling 911, and fled the scene. they need a description of the man’s appearance, habits, property, etc. just in case. but i do agree that the dispatcher could be talking quieter.
This is how it's usually justified, "she wanted it but then she changed her mind". I hear rapists say that, and the rapist will play the victim only when they're called out by the actual victims. Kicker is, they usually get away with it. I know many victims of rape (inc myself) who don't go to the police because we know the system doesn't care about us. We're not people, we're "20 minutes of action". Going to the police will cause us more harm, anyway. Usually labeled* crazy by the rapist, and people side with the rapist because he's a "good guy". A fear many women live with every time we step outside: the off chance we're not hyper aware for a moment we can be raped, tortured, killed, and forgotten.
@@ocachisu It's a horrible reality. I've lived through rape and went to the police. The female officer said that it wasn't rape because I didn't say "no." How could I say no when he had me under duress? Hatchets and knives were later found hidden in the couch.
Detective Mager needs to be paid whatever she asks for. That interrogation tactic was amazing to watch. When she started, they had a few counts of s*xual a**ault and at least one count of abduction to confessions of multiple murders, likely multiple counts of s*xual a**ault and arson. Not to mention they found multiple missing persons. It's good this guy is no longer out walking around and multiple families have closure.
It felt as if the cops took forever to reach Jane. She was incredibly brave. I hope she's recovering well and not suffering mentally from this horrible incident.
@@BarrywHiteFTW your body physically will take over when in those situations. Your body and mind wants to live. Adrenaline can make you react in a very strong way that you wouldn't without the adrenaline. As soon as that adrenaline left her body I'm sure she was a complete wreck.
@@BarrywHiteFTW You can’t be seriously questioning if this woman was actually traumatized, I could hear the anxiety in her voice and the adrenaline that fear can give you and once she was rescued, that adrenaline stops and she became frozen and had to snap out of it. She was 100% about to be brutally killed.
@@miranda13c I was actually giving her credit and remarking on how impressive it was that she kept hey composure. That's all. I wasn't "seriously questioning" anything.
my ex boyfriend talked like this "jokingly" he would say things like "i should kidnap you" so he could "have me all to himself" and at the time you know i was so in love with him it seemed endearing but then he started acting rlly weird and leaving things outside my bedroom window so i got a restraining order against him and he ended up moving to calgary 😭 which, thank god he did bc honestly he was really scary and im so glad i realized he wasn't a safe person to be around. i really hope he gets some therapy or something.
As a former 911 operator, the questions that we ask are not slowing down response times. All we truly need is a location and a nature type for the call and it can be sent to the dispatchers. That can happen within seconds of the call, depending on your caller. But the questions you ask and the notes you write while you are the phone with them are crucial to the safety of your caller and the responding units! The dispatcher made her aware that if she felt uncomfortable to answer, she could be silent. We do have to ask a lot of questions that might seem unnecessary but it’s important to get as much info as possible while you can. The most important thing here is that she got out of that situation and the units are safe as well!
That dispatch call is now used in training to show how to not handle that as a dispatcher, so if you are a dispatcher & you believe that how she handled that was right. You need to be fired or quit your job immediately before you get anyone killed Asking if she gets permission to use the bathroom, or what kind of pizza the guy likes, & all that extra shit is incredibly reckless & endangering. She knew the exact name of the guy & even spelled the last name out so obviously she had his information pulled up. She doesn’t need to know all that extra BS information that second while the girl is in the room with him & shouldn’t have kept talking especially without whispering when the girl said she woke him up & she CERTAINLY shouldn’t have told her to try to leave on her own with no protection & the officers not even certain what house exactly. If she thought she coulda left fine she woulda already done that. You think she didn’t think about leaving before dispatch mentioned it? Ofc she did. You are really bad at your job & will get someone serious harmed someday with your logic if you think she didn’t create an incredibly enormous unnecessary risk for that girl
i could do it tbh. im not some tard who cant control his emotions and i can sit and talk with someone i dont agree with lol, i think most rational peopel can. what detectives do is being able to get people to say what they want them to say, they are master of manipulation.
The female detective was absolutely INCREDIBLE! Had they not said she was a detective, I would have been convinced she was one of the worlds finest criminal psychologists! Her approach, the timing, how she built his trust, how he wanted her to be the one he revealed everything (maybe everything) he did to her, and her alone...I was just dumbfounded. He's an incredibly sick individual and the fact that he's getting the death penalty in this particular case seems to fit the bill. I'm glad that the defense didn't try to get him off on an insanity plea. There was no way he would have qualified. He knew exactly what he was doing. He might have had completely ridiculous reasons for doing what he did, but the murders were calculated, planned, and executed in such a way there was no doubt he knew what he was doing. The attorneys knew he did it, the courts knew, his family and friends knew. Everyone knew. I sincerely hope there weren't more than 5 victims but I have this terrible feeing in the put of my stomach there were more. Many more. What a sick son of a b!
They often deliberately use female detectives with guys who kill or attack women. Because they see women as lesser people and think women are "below" them, they tend to underestimate the interrogator, and be less careful, making more mistakes.
In most cases like this I can’t not agree. I just started watching this. The guy is diabolical enough,scitzo ect. I’m very sure there are more victomes unaccounted for. It’s sick.
@@erikak8187 agreed. Since you just started watching, I won't spoil anything for you. @Anne - I don't know that it had anything to do with how he viewed her in terms of being "below" him. I think it was a matter of how she made him feel comfortable, that he could let his guard down. He even made a comment towards the end of the video about how the male detective was angry and combative, so he didn't want to talk to him. The female detective came across as empathetic and like she understood why he did what he did. Her tone of voice was non-combative. She never came across as angry or hateful towards him. She made him feel comfortable. I have no idea how she was able to do it. I could not have maintained my cool in that kind of situation. The other officers would have had to pry me off the guy. But, in the end, who really knows how he felt? Nobody can truly understand what was going on inside that sick f**k's mind. I'm so glad that Jane Doe made the phone call she did and was brave enough to get the police in the building. Had she not, there almost certainly would have been more victims. More people need to watch this to ensure they understand the warning signs - to make sure they're not a victim in a similar situation. Thank god he's off the streets!!! The terrible part is - I fear there are more people like him out there. And that makes me sick to my stomach.
@@JeffHochberg it’s sickening because there are others out there like him and even worst than him. Some of them are family members, pastors etc, I can never at any point come to terms with these men who raise their babes only to rape and kill them, and some mothers they know but blame the kids because they are afraid of being alone or what they think society will say. I protect my child at all cost, she thinks I am too clingy but so be it.
@@kymgardner327 you know - it's ironic - I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday and we were discussing how there were all these times when we were little and we thought parents/relatives were crazy for saying/doing the things that they did. Then we got older and wiser and end up saying "wow - I guess they really did know what they were talking about!" I hope your child realizes the same. Keep being an awesome mom - keep your baby under your wing and protect them until they're old enough to fend for themselves. Only then will they know that what you were doing was for their best interest. Just love and cherish as much as you can! And hope that there are good law enforcement officers and people like Jane Doe to help uncover these sick people and make sure they can't get to others!
@@nicolegillespie4704 I think it might honestly be overwhelming for her, she’d reach out to the internet if she needed. Girl just needs to process and cope in her own time
I love the explanations and interpretations on everything the interrogator/suspect is doing or saying! Didn't know everything in an interrogation is THAT planned. Very interesting. You guys did a great job on this video, I enjoyed it and learned so much! ^-^
I actually live in the town where this happened and cannot even believe this man existed near and around me and everyone here. This was such a tragedy and I truly feel for the victims and their families. So much bravery the girl had to call the police when he was just sleeping right next to her, I can’t imagine the fear she had at that moment. Thank God she was rescued!
The scary thing is there's way too many people like him out there. You'd think no one would do this in your area but the truth is there's probably a few. That's why I WISH most woman wernt against owning a gun & carrying it. It shocks me how it's sooo easy for woman to be victims like this Jane Doe BUT the majority of woman are against having a firearm in the home & against owning one. Woman if ANYTHING should be pushing for more gun rights than men do. If it were up to me, every good woman would carry a small firearm at all times.
Son of Sam lived three blocks from where I lived in Yonkers. He had us all terrified, especially the girls with brown hair, You just never know who your living near. Most people do not look like monsters and we can not see what going vh on inside their heads. Very scary guys like this.
I worked as a correctional officer at a mens maximum security prison for years. The normal looking ones are the monsters I can assure you. Murderers don’t look anything like what you’d expect. It’s terrifying. (General statement of my own experiences…)
@@alexandramcgoey3656 just like the man(I can't remember his name) beat a 13 yr old with with rock left then came back and killed her because he thought she was suffering(why do that in the first place) after he was arrested he worked the system made it seem like he was reformed and was able to go out Christmas shopping with other prisoners. Because of good behavior (First of all they are in jail they lost the ability to do that once they are arrested and lost their freedom I don't care how long ago it was I don't care if he had good behavior ) well he escaped and hasn't been caught. Who knows what other crimes he has committed since then. They did have a warrant out for him and a detective went on to see maybe he got picked up over a traffic stop or something. The warrant was removed. It back on now so hopefully he will get caught soon. I saw it on the new unsolved mysteries. When I find out his name I'll edit this. Lester Eubanks committed crime 1965 escaped 1973 15 most wanted
@@alexandramcgoey3656 Aric Collins / no chance on Facebook is one of those types! Fake pastor on Facebook with a 30 year criminal history of strangulating women. I sure he has murdered some women before!
Pppl are just dumb and think that physical appearence makes a person who they are, ppl tend to think that fat ppl, ugly ppl, old ppl, and so on are they should fear because for sure they are bad guys, but it's not like that, pretty or ugly, fat or slim, old or new, nothing of this will tell you what a ppl truly is
The fact that he really saw himself as doing a favor for these women is just absolutely insane. The way he interprets every action a woman takes as something against him and how he never truly feels like he did anything wrong is wild. Amazing video, I was captivated the entire time
what makes it worse is that, the more the detective mager spoke with him, the more he told her. I literally was like "fuck, how many people did he kill?" even cold cases, and hes linked to them.
@@dude101lolol The internet isn't helping either. There is a ton of stuff directed at men that feel dejected out there, and it is has been getting more persistent and deranged as time has gone on. They will quote internet personalities out there that have the "you shouldn't feel bad for being a man" agenda and excuse all of their shitty behavior with "facts" they learn from them. It has gotten so extreme you can watch these videos of rapists and murderers and find guys in the comments defending them. I watched a video about a guy that killed an innocent girl because she was going to tell people they had a relationship and he worried he might lose his job as a chef manager at a restaurant. There were multiple comment threads saying he deserved a second chance because he seemed remorseful. Guys were saying that it was the girl's fault because she couldn't keep her mouth shut and she was trying to ruin his "career". This type of stuff has bred an entire new classification of men that not only don't respect women, but look at them like objects or actively hate them. It isn't just one off's or guys raised in terrible circumstances or by bad parents, it is completely cultural. There are great parents that did everything right but their boys found the wrong stuff on the internet, got dejected at school, and now they are little monsters. Incel culture is just the tip of the iceberg, and it is getting worse and worse over time.
Kudos! What an absolutely masterful production! I can't imagine haw much work, time, and effort went into creating this but I'm so very happy it was created. Wow.
Agreed! All of it was very well put together and it didn’t leave me confused at all.
How could it be both nature vs nurture, because if it is nature made no need for it to be any other, if it is nurture, that means he developed it before nature would have therefore it could only be one or the other.
Not to be out of line or anything but this Shawn Grate fella seems like a real jerk
Thanks,have a great day.
Mike Anthony Foster how many accts. Do you really need to comment under per video!? 🤣😂😆
The 911 call gave me anxiety with him in the same room and having to answer all those questions. I’m so glad she was able to get out, she’s so brave.
Right I feel as if those question could’ve waited the important ones could’ve just been asked!
Dispatcher was an idiot.
Me too..I actually scared 😱
@@skinnaholiccc6951 strategy....I do this with my patients as well. If you come off too strong, they may close up and stop talking. Start off easy.... make them feel comfortable
It was by the book. A book ya'll don't know, a book that got the cops to Jane in a matter of minutes, on the spot, and her out of the house. A book that saved her life, literally, even if you do not grasp it. And good that you do not. A book none of you internet keyboard experts have a place to judge.
When Jane see’s that the cops are leaving and tells the operator “TELL THEM TO COME BACK”… my heart felt heavy. 🥺
Yeah that was intense, she couldn't shout "come back". I was thinking oh no the guys going come and kill her, and the interview will be her murder case.
@@rasalasad5315 fuck, I was so afraid he would wake up and kill her
@@rasalasad5315 for sure I thought he was gonna wake up and get her. I was so pissed at those cops. Coming up to the door, waiting for a only a few seconds, and then walking away. I found that so hard to believe that I then thought she might be hallucinating it all. She's telling dispatch they're walking away and for them to come back. Her having to say just didn't seem real.
@@cinci_nate7973 cops are worthless
Jerks
I cannot believe that "Jane" had to tell the dispatcher to tell the cops to come back. Like can you imagine them being so close to rescuing you and then they start walking away? That is BEYOND terrifying.
EDIT: Had to put "Jane" in quotation marks for the people that were confused. (Read comment replies)
🤦♂️ you realize that’s the original anon name right 🤦♂️ not her name 😂 John Doe Jane doe
@@zaceryhammond1144 ?? No shit?? Hillaraptor is just referring to her by the name they literally called her throughout the whole video
@@zaceryhammond1144 I don't think they implied they thought that was her real name at all. It's literally just a name to refer to the victim so it makes sense to use it in this context
It pissed me off how long they took to show up
@@B___848 that’s the reality. When it takes minutes for officers to respond to another officer shot, it would take at least that long for citizens. Not enough officers to cover every street at all times. You can only protect yourself in the end.
The fact you can hear him snoring the whole time is so fucking nerve racking like don’t wake the monster type stuff.
I think that's her breathing into the mic because you can hear it even when she's at the front door.
@@Jrez I don’t think so because you can hear it while she’s talking
I thought it was snoring as well, but after listening a bit longer I think it is some other kind of interference or noise that is coming across in the audio. Haven't finished watching the video so maybe it is explained later.
You can't hear him snoring,bro lol
@@stevel8270 I can actually but how are you going to tell me what I can and can’t hear? Lol I really don’t care either way
When she said "tell them to come back" I was like what, they LEFT!? That situation was absolutely terrifying and this woman was so brave and collected the whole time. My heart goes out to her.
The police probably thought they were at the wrong house. Her sweet voice saying to come back was heart breaking. Poor lady. I hope she's doing okay these days.
@@I.See.That.Youre.Mentally.Ill. true but they should have kept looking my god. she said that it was probably abandoned and everything so it pisses me off that they just assumed they were at the wrong house or even on the wrong street. she was risking her life. you look through every room of that fucking house until you find her! she even told them it was yellow. it seems like they didn't give a shit to me even if they did.
@@imsotiredofthiscrap2341 honestly, the operator was only asking her questions to keep her on the line to establish she’s still with us. it upset me with all the questions given her circumstances; i don’t believe she was in a position to be holding conversation & the operator could have been more sensitive to that. given with your observation, & my own the cops didn’t take much of the information into consideration. very sad, but happy she made it with her life. a strong woman, with a brave heart of gold. i hope she gets all she can desire, & you as well! wishing you well 🧡
Fr bro. If I were a cop I'd search every single fucking house
@@maitri4063 Yeah, but I think the operator kinda has to do that, keep the conversation going, to make sure she's still there, she's responsive, the situation isn't changing, they aren't on the move etc. At first it was weird to me when the operator asked if the house she was in was owned by the abductor, but then I thought that it probably makes indentifying him easier if he escapes before the police get there for example. A situation like that can change dramatically in seconds, so the more information the operator gets, the better, especially if it escalates or goes sideways. And the operator told her a few times that if she can't talk, she can put the phone down, just stay on the line.
That dispatch call was the most frustrating thing I have ever heard, well done to Jane Doe for staying so calm and surviving such an ordeal
There are much, much worse dispatch calls out there too... For example the teen who slowly crushed to death in his car cause dispatch thought he was playing a joke
Yeah that case was extremely sad. Just because a kid called doesn't mean it's a prank
@@riga Horrible.
What was frustrating about it?
@@riga or the one where the lady drive in a lake on accident, & the dispatch officer was telling her it was her fault and she should’ve been more careful & giggling at her … she drowned before they could locate her
Jane is walking amongst us today. I hope she has found peace and happiness. I hope she knows none of this was her fault and she doesn’t feel any guilt towards herself. She is a brave brave woman.
no. say it. say the thing. you're going around it on purpose i know it. say the funny thing
@@wildwolff say what?
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Note to dispatchers, please speak a little softer when you know they’re trying to be quiet.
The recording you hear is the operators end, a headset and microphone, even if they wispered itd be clear,, not the victims end, the victim is able to turn the phone down
@@carlyfischer1425 they’re not always able to turn it down or think too. I was standing in front of a 500 pound bear frozen ice cold. I was trying to be quiet but couldn’t think clearly enough to turn my phone down while my friend was yelling. It instantly saw me, and I barely made it out with my life. I couldn’t think at all because I was in shear terror.
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@@kellycuckoo3143well thats a fucking bear with incredible hearing compared to a sleeping human
And don't ask a million stupid questions when the caller is in obvious danger.
The way Jane stayed calm and composed with the dispatcher is truly awe inspiring.
The dispatcher could’ve been a little faster with the questions in the beginning. I thought he was going to wake up.
@@DougiePz That dispatcher believed that she was lying I heard, go back and listen and it makes sense!!
@@bartholemewrawktaviun-john7604 well why would a dispatcher think anyone is lying in a dire situation. Even better.
@@DougiePz Exactly what I was thinking and this is how many people end up dead because of this…
it started to piss me off how long it went on, like she was trying to get dude to wake up and kill her
She was so terrified but she answered all the questions and was able to lead officers to get her help. She’s so brave for being able to stay collected on that phone call.
Exactly!! It's incredible.
He's right there, the dispatcher should of told her to be quiet like wtf.. practically wanted her to tell her life story!
Couldn’t agree more. It’s insane how calm and collected she was given the scenario
Jane-I’ve been abducted and he’s 3 feet from me.
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I seriously was about to have an anxiety attack listening to the 911 calls. The girl was whispering and scared, on top of that the dispatcher kept asking questions but acted very swiftly, kudos to that. So glad she made it out. 👍
I was terrified for her. The questions from the 911 dispatcher were a little over the top for me, I understand that they need to get as much info but some of the questions that she was asking this poor girl who was trying to stay quiet I think was unnecessary, then the cops showing up and the dispatch having to tell them to come back WOW !! Cudos to that girl. She was Terrified 😨
@@marthalee9593 yeah exactly... It was so heart wrenching when she told the dispatcher to ask the cops to come back...
@@marthalee9593 it was almost like she thought she was talking nonsense !
It was almost like she wanted the guy to wake up so she could listen to a show. Jesus Christ.
I know like stf up already! Maybe she thought it would keep her mind busy talking to her, having her answer questions. Then again, she gleaned a whole lot of information that may possibly have become hazier around the edges after the adrenaline wore off and her brain began to try and deal with the trauma.
Rebekah Leicy was my aunt. I held off listening to Shawn's confession for a long time, I never thought one of my loved ones would have had to die in such a cruel way. She's still very loved and missed every day!
very sorry for your loss, its incredibly sad
Im so sorry for your loss. I know it had to be difficult to watch this.
So sorry
I’m sorry your loved one was hurt by this man and for your loss.Much Love
❤🩹
I love how you tubers who are normal people make better documentaries than huge companies with big budgets. This isn’t dramatized it’s just straight to the point and only the facts. Jane is a brave woman and I hope she’s able to heal and one day be able to think about this without overwhelming emotion but as something that happened and had passed
Agreed
As the saying goes familiarity breeds contempt which is what the media treat viewers with.
She is definitely lucky.
you spoke facts.
They also don't have any lighting effects with the interviewees and don't try to present one narrative or another.
My mom lives in the area and met this guy a few weeks before this happened. She said she felt bad for him and almost gave him a ride. Eternally grateful that she walked away.
Wow damn
Daniel
walked or drove away?
@@yeah._. he walked up to her outside of her job when she was getting off work, middle of the day. Said he was walking to a city that’s like a 30 minute drive from where they were and it was hot out, and asked for a ride, said she didn’t get any weird vibes she just felt bad for him. She ended up walking back into her work to grab something and when she came back out he was walking away.
This just shows that there's a lot of people out there who may seem so innocent but deep down they have a dark side.
I love how I can’t sit down for 90 minutes to watch a movie in one sitting, but somehow just watched a 3+ hour documentary on UA-cam. Love the new long form videos, keep up the amazing work!
Because of the reality of all of it. The reality. The truth is far, FAR more compelling and stranger than fiction, and it always has been, and it always will be.
H U H!!?!?!
When I read the first half of the comment I thought you were implying you can't watch a 90min movie but you can watch a 90min UA-cam documentary and I thought "WOW REALLY?? THIS VID IS 90MINS LONG??!?!?" I Thought it was 25-35mins tops, then I get to the part where you mention it's three hours and I'm just kinda confused so I go check and I'M AT 2:35:37 WHERE DID THE TIME GO WHAAAAT!!?!?!?!
then you can sit down for a 90 minute movie lol humans
@@ichigome5554 movies are reality. where do you think they get the ideas from
When you're interested in something you're more mentally switched on.
The interrogator is just masterful. One of the best I’ve seen. So many times I’ve seen incompetent ones. But this one is just excellent.
Yes, I love his no nonsense style. Without wasting time he collects exactly all the evidence he needs to.
You can tell his feelings towards Shawn aren't exactly friendly but he hides them perfectly.
- Admirable work, sir!
The woman did an ok job I suppose too, getting confessions of 5 murders out of him :)@@helenar5628
Yes! She got him to tell her so much!
I do think it also depends on person who they questioning. coz this shawn guy thought he didnt saying much at the start and then got clapped with questions based on his answers
Right! Never heard of my word being the same as GD. She definitely was going along with everything he said to get the job done.
Mad respect for the interrogator that managed to stay kind, respectful and sympathetic sitting across this disgusting human being. You saved the families of those whose lives were lost.
He stalked good people on purposed thank you guys caught him.
both interrogators did a great job
Omg the questions !cld have got her killed ! Ffs ! idiot operator!
I was looking for this comment, interrogator crushed it.
They're ohioan, that's just how that happens.
It's so worth pointing out that this female officer got him to fess up to crimes that were being investigated for over 10 years. And she solved 5 of them in under 24 hours. She's like a real life superhero
She reminds me of the Chris Watts polygraph interrogator who pulled a confession out of him in minutes. I think it has something to do with that feminine lack of testosterone driven ego
@@RyanDavidAhern ding ding ding. Bringing in the woman was basically just the finishing of the alley-oop
She is a real life superhero.
@@RyanDavidAhern This 100%
@@RyanDavidAhern it’s funny bc your comment proves what Maria Holly was trying to say about testosterone driven ego
If Jane Doe ever reads this, I want her to know she didn't only save her life with her bravery but she's a hero for bringing closure to the other victims families and allowing them to rest in peace. She's also a hero in preventing this to happen to anyone else! God Bless you, you're a total rockstar and you're in my prayers!
I agree %100000 ❤ I couldn't even imagine that happening. Being tied up in a room, steal His phone to call 911, trying to be qs quiet as possible and Pray he doesn't hear you and wake up - 😯 I hope she's doing well 🤗 Normally I'm all about the death penalty. But I think that's to easy for this guy - one can only hope what he did to women happens to him in there. Many times.
Absolutely 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
He deserves what he gets, simple as that. Whether its the death penalty, a taste of his own medicine or both.
I don't know her personally, but I lived in Ashland when this happened and yes, she is a certified badass! They knocked the houses down where he was squatting abs holding her, because she STILL LIVES IN TOWN. He took her from her home once, she's not letting him take her hometown too. Absolute legend.
I couldnt find better words! Thats why we gotta report every.single.incident! Its important to protect others from going through anything like this, even if its not as horrifying as this case - its giving me the chills! 🥶
Dispatch “you don’t talk if you don’t need to”
Also dispatch “let’s play a game of 20 questions”
It's literally their JOB to ask all the right questions, so that someone in that situation CAN stay as silent as possible while giving them the info they need for the rescue.
Imo the dispatcher should have stopped asking open ended questions and switched to yes or no questions (as much as possible). Then Jane wouldn't have needed to talk so much. Like instead of asking "where is he?" she could've asked "is he in the room with you? Is he awake?" Etc
Theyre trained to ask as many questions as possible, if anything happens itll be recorded plus most of the time it can help keep the person focused on the call rather thN ytheir stressful situation. Also they end up doing a portion of the witness or suspect interrogation before the cops even arrive. The more info the better
They do not ask the right questions though. There are 3 Questions, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, WHERE ARE YOU, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? @@DevonD1v1n3
Arguably you can have some subquestions for questions 3.
For example:
"What is your condition?"
"What does the location you are at look like?" (For officer safety, that I quite frankly do not care about in the slightest, it is THEIR JOB TO HELP the people in need, not their job to protect themselves and their breed. They chose a risky job, don't expect a victim to be a professional just so you don't get hurt doing your job. The dispatcher kept talking when the woman said "I woke him up" that is the dumbest and most ridiculous thing imaginable. She could have killed her with that decision. Absolutely ridiculous. Your dispatchers need more training and more situational awareness.
Why do people get mad a 911 operators for doing their job? Just because they’re asking questions doesn’t mean they didn’t immediately send help.
She's so scared, she's afraid to even run out the door. My heart dropped so many times for her. The horrors she must've experienced, my mind can't even imagine.
Scared and NAKED!!!
Same here. I was picturing myself having gone through that horrific situation/ event. She's incredibly brave & smart as well. I wouldn't call her lucky though she definitely could have been killed by the hand of that maniac if she had made other choices.
May this story show that we should always be safe etc.
@@annjepsen1621 heart breaking to think of what trauma has probably done to her life now a days. I'm so happy she survived regardless though. ❤
I’m a big six-foot 3 inch black man long toe and I don’t think I would’ve made it to the door! This woman has my upmost respect
@Johan Liebert 😂😂😂😂
You're a hero Jane. Thank you for what you did and for the future lives that you saved.
I hope u know jane is jane doe
@Abs TImmy Jane Doe was wise, wasn't she ?
Yes so brave Jane xx
@mamamamamamama she is both and for both roles she deserves ……….👏❤️💪🌷🎂🙏💕
And for staying calm even though I’m sure she was terrified. True bad ass woman right there.
It absolutely broke my heart when Jane started crying on the call. When the dispatcher asked her where she was bleeding from, the silence afterwards made it clear as day what had happened to her. So utterly horrifying.
I got a lump in my throat when she started crying. I wanted to tell that operator to shut the hell up and stop asking that poor woman questions.
I truly hope that woman got some well deserved therapy and has supportive friends and family.
@@brianedward6417 mildy inappropriate...
@@brianedward6417 Wtf is wrong with you
@@brianedward6417 same might hv happened to ur mother. And thats how u came up into this world
@@presterjohn9088 you clearly do not understand how 911 operators work and why they ask so many "stupid" questions. Do some research before you judge them.
What an amazing interrogator. She is so organized. Like there is a filing system in her brain. Great hero for the departed
She just published a book about this case. Her name is Kim
Jane, whoever you are, wherever you are. You’re one hell of a woman. One of the most brave, calm, and collected individuals I’ve heard in an awful situation. I hope you’re doing well now
They're not going to date you, bro. /s
@@IDK-kv8ob what.
@@IDK-kv8ob typical dude bro Chad comment on an actually serious topic.
@@IDK-kv8ob Damn a python pfp and using weird twitter shit. Ur deff not above the age of 16
@@IDK-kv8ob Not funny. I didn't laugh. Your joke is so bad I would have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up re-telling me the joke. To be honest this is a horrible attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn't even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I can't believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I'm not saying this to be funny i genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You've single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet. I'm so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You're lucky i still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again. We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. Im disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my pathetic brain understanding that joke. In the time that took i was planning on helping kids who have been orphaned, but because of that you've wasted my time explaining the obscene integrity of your terrible attempt at comedy. Now those kids are suffering with out meals and there's nobody to blame but you. I hope you're happy with what you have done.
I knew he had mother issues the moment he started to open up to the female investigator. She had a maternal caring tone, accepting him how only a loving mother could. and he just melted into it. Bravo to that investigator
Yes! Can we talk about how important it is for parents to show love and affection, to not hit and abuse our children.
No. Because we all know how important it is. Also the world is filled with millions of women who were abused by their fathers, sometimes even sexuaIIy. And sometimes by their mothers too. And SOMEHOW they don't turn into this. He can f off with his "mother issues". He's the issue and probably was since birth.
@@perfectlypancho9777 But why tell the officer about the other killings? that he KNEW they knew nothing about. Maybe he wanted the death penalty? cause it doesn't seem like he was the bragging type. IDK something about this whole thing still seems strange that he would confess all THAT.
@@pierrenoneyabizzo9751 guilt
@@okaycola2 to be cool
This might have been the scariest 911 call iv ever heard in my life. Just listening to him snore like a grizzly bear was shocking she was that close having this whole conversation literally narrating everything going on from what the house looks like to its exact location!! She is so brave! And i got so excited when dispatch said patrolmen were in her location. So glad she made it out of there.
There’s a scarier one where an old lady called 911 about an intruder with a knife, the intruder found her and proceeded to stab her to death while still on call with police and you can hear her screams
@@theofficialchannelofpapa3596 Yes, her name is Ruth.
@@theofficialchannelofpapa3596 omfg really? That's horrible asf did they ever catch the perp you know of?
@@theofficialchannelofpapa3596 where at? I wanna listen to that one!!
@@alchemist3724 it’s a fake call meant to train 911 Dispatchers
it takes a very special kind of person to be able to sit there and talk to a serial killer like a baby, as he describes all the innocent people he's murdered. I'm glad she can, because I surely can't
Honestly, if someone told me that in the moment, Id be more interested in the story and getting all the info. Thats the kind of headspace you need to be in to be an interrogator
Think of it like unblocking a drain. You end up having to watch a river of foul smelling shit flow past you but it's overshadowed by the relief that the job is done and you can now use your toilet.
Jane Doe not only saved herself, but countless others. Such a brave woman.
So true!
Thank you Jane Doe.
She did so well during the 911 call. I hope she’s doing great and recovering from all of this.
Yes not only that but Jane doe leaves a lot of reviews on stuff
I thought the same. I dont think she realized what she was up against when she made that call.
Such courage she had. Could not imagine the bravery it took to make that phone call
hell yeah. I was thinking the whole time like I hope this fool does not wake up!
Thank God dude was such a deep sleeper
It seems like the dispatcher was kind of a dope trying to get her to keep talking when he could have woken up at any moment from the noise.
Totally..brave girl
@@clockguy2 that's what I was thinking too, should have said to just stay on the line, I would just stop replying to her tbh.
Man, that 911 call was so intense, especially when the taser went off and he woke up. My heart sunk and I kept thinkin, "please be ok. Tell me she was able to get out and is safe". Finally hearing the cops telling her to come out was such a relief. She's a really brave woman and doing what she did saved her life and possibly lives of others since this monster was found and put away. I hope she's ok now.
Something about going to a supposed friend's house at night to play Yahtzee because you can't sleep and ending up murdered by them is so incredibly heartbreaking to me. It's such an innocent thing to try to do to find some comfort
Exactly why vulnerable women and people in general are targeted./:
It’s so fcking scary that we can’t just be innocent beings anymore… bobbing around on walks, meeting people and trusting them to go play board games or Yahtzee. Not even as full grown adults. Great world love etttttt
@@ravenblue The thing is, you never could. There was never a time when humans were safe to be around. The difference is that these things weren't reported or properly investigated before. In a lot of ways, the rise of forensics, modern investigating and the true crime genre that these advancements have brought us is a sign we are moving in the right direction, bringing these stories to light and catching more perpetrators than we ever have in history.
lol he lied way too much. it was a damn abandoned house drug den and they were probably sitting there with no electricity, high and bored and busted out the yahtzee that was sitting in the old houses pile of crap. person said something that he didn't like and he snapped. he seems to hate when people act "good". he seems to think everyone is as warped as him and when they dont admit it he gets mad. he didnt jane because she was the real deal and she was able to tolerate him all that time without setting of his schizo feelings of being judged or whatever.
@@ravenbluejust avoid people.. it's that's simple.. that's what I do .. i trust absolutely no one
*I swear the first ten minutes my whole body was so tense. And I didn't even realize it until she was out and my body relaxed. This brave young lady did an amazing job of staying calm. There's no doubt in my mind that her bravery and heroism saved many other young lives.* 😳
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That was so stressful, my hands and arms were just clinging to my phone. I even had to take a break.
Lol she couldve just got up and left lol
@Just Browsing Too much effort editting one single line and yet you believe yourself allowed to question someone's words... shameless
@Just Browsing Oh wow. I didn't expect notifications from youtube of someone answering my comment right away and in such a rude and nonsense way 'play with your toys' i wonder if you keep on mirroring yourself in everything you say in here because no one talked about toys... good night
At first, I was annoyed at the dispatcher for asking so many questions, then I thought if the assailant suddenly wakes up or runs away, the dispatcher already has a detailed description which will make it easier to track him.
just wanted to tell her to shut up with all the questions, cuz it might wake him up. That man must have been drugged or something to not wake up with all that talking around him.
She was just doing what she's trained to do
Yall do realize that Jane can put the volume lower while on the phone?
@@nl6731 Yes but there's still the scare that he wakes up from hearing her whispering on the other side of the room.
@@harrybutimnot he didn't even wake up when the tazer went off
People keep saying she's calm but she's trying to stay quiet and I can hear her silent panic. I was in a similar situation 21 years ago, I was 17. A guy I had recently met, had me come over and forced me to stay with him, and I was assaulted so so many times. I was only about 90lbs and he had a knife, I don't know if he'd have actually used it but I was too afraid to try to get away or even struggle against him. I was there with him for a few days. I kept trying to convince him to just let me leave, I wouldn't tell anyone what happened, etc. I tried to appease him and act like I was enjoying his company. I think he was on meth because he didn't sleep at all until the 3rd night, the whole time he just watched tv and ranted about crazy stuff, and occasionally would assault me, I couldn't go to the bathroom by myself, eventually he had crashed but making sure to keep his leg against me. We didn't have cell phones in those days so I had no way to call help. I waited for a long time, and I occasionally would test what would happen if I just moved and broke physical contact with him, and when I saw that he wasn't reacting or stirring, I started to move away gradually. I remember the fear of waking him up and trying to quietly leave the room, and then the mobile home we were in. I remember getting outside and just running as fast as I could, across the street was a gas station, I practically flew there. I can feel it again listening to Jane's phone call. She sounds "calm" but she has to be, even though you're reeling in terror, you really have no choice but to keep it together and stay as quiet as you can. I am glad she got out.
That's horrifying
Omg that’s crazy. You are amazing for getting out of there. I am stunned at just how many bad people are out there. You’re a hero.
Thanks for sharing your story.
That’s horrific, I’m so glad you are so strong.
As i read comments here..i am grateful you ladies survived. I wish you the very best🤗
This woman was so calm on the phone. What an amazing brave thing to have done. And needless to say that this dispatcher, I was trying to get as much detail as possible in case something went wrong before the police got there, but it was giving me so much anxiety.
The female interrogator was incredible. She single handidly drew other murders an so much information out of him simply by being kind an compassionate.
She spoke to him so soft, like a therapist. That’s how it should be done. She gained his trust and it was easy from there. I like that
@@manda-om9ls yeah. She treated him like a human despite all he'd done. She did her job very well and put to one side all that other stuff, pretty remarkable
U literally watched the first ten min 🤣
Agreed, amazing reflective conversation
I guess people really will admit to anything in exchange for a woman being nice to them for a few minutes lmao
Dispatcher: Does he have a 20 year or a 30 year fixed rate mortgage?
Jane: Just send the damn cops.
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You do understand that they are sending the police as soon as they understand the situation and know where to send them? In this call the police where sent after Jane Doe's first sentence.
The rest of the dispatchers questions is to gather information about the perpetrator, how the person looks like, is he armed, name etc, in case anything happens or he flees and also to gather crucial information for the police whom where sent to the scene.
@@schassen he’s joking bro
@@evanm6739 He’s joking about the mortgage but he’s completely serious and unaware about how the process dispatchers go through. It’s obvious
Hilarious bro. Her talking coulda woken his crazy ass up.
THANK YOU FOR NOT RELEASING HER NAME. She doesn’t need every human to know the deep details of her attack. Thank you
@@Chris-lq8zk what the fuck does that even mean
They did at 33:20 in words
@@terminatorougtifv not seeing it, not that I want to, but it seems bleeped out
@@pkopalek ur right at least they did that
@@terminatorougtifv Jane Doe is what the call her. Her name isn't released anywhere as per the whole case surrounding her was keeping her identity secret. Even during trials she was called Jane Doe if I remember correctly bc they didnt want her to be exposed to all the press and people harassing her.
The lady interrogator is absolutely brilliant! Certainly one of the best I've seen.
Yeah, I was thinking she could start a second career as a counsellor.
That was master level interrogation on her part. I could never.
@@zoelathwell8893yeah, probably because she was trained and you weren’t lol.
@@MonarchismFandoesn’t mean anything, I’ve seen some horror interrogations where they were “trained” and handled it absolutely poorly
@@keirayeaah source?
What Jane went through is awful but look how many women she has saved with her courage for survival. I hope she finds peace and knows that she is a hero.
Totally true. What most victims don't realize or learn too late is the amount of potential victims they saved by being as strong as they are and facing their attacker head on. If it weren't for them, lord only knows how many others would have suffered the same fate.
Absolutely 👍❤️👍
Facts!!!
i dont know who needs to hear this but Gdamnit...make the call asap. youll regret it if you dont
Very well said …. Love and strength to all of us women
The irony of a guy killing people because he hates the fact that they're weak and on public assistance, and yet he himself cannot hold down a job and is illegally living in somebody else's abandoned home.
He projected his self-loathing and deficiencies on his victims and lashed out against them on account of them. Note when he kept talking about Jane Doe and _her_ lust he was talking about _his_ own lust for her! An absolute mental case.
It all ties in with his mother.. he hates those things because that's the way his mother was.
and probably he’s living his most comfortable life in jail rn
@@choukoooo Dont think so..ever been in the big house? Nothing comfy about it..And btw, rapists and woman murderers are seen and treated as the lowests , i can asure you he wishes he was dead.
I think the fact he was able to work but because of the child support he was not able too. It would catch up with him and he would never get ahead.
But he sees capable people with no reason not to work collecting money that he could never collect.
Good lord, that phone call at the beginning had me at the edge of my seat. I was.... absolutely frightened for that poor woman; I could hear the fear in her voice and I was getting anxiety listening to her. I'm so sorry she had to go through all of that and I'm extremely relieved that she got out alive.
nothing gives me anxiety. my first experience of it was watching that phone call. super disturbing. love to see him in cuffs after tying up multiple women
I KNOW right like FUCK man. my watch said my heart rate was at 107bpm and I could feel my heart beating. i let out a HUGE sigh of relief when I heard the police say "GET OUT HERE". i didn't realize i was holding my breath lol
I felt exactly as you described. Me too is at the edge of my seat listening and getting anxious
yeah i was saying hurry the f up police... when you need help time moves so slow, i called an ambulance for my mom who was throwing up, dizzy, sounded like she was in labor screaming randomly.. which luckily ended up being a severe vertigo attack and she was okay later/throughout the week, but waiting for them to show up you wanted to call again cause it feels so so long, feels like they don't know the address and you panic
even worse when you realize the whole house was filled with corpses
The amount of insight into a criminal mind in this is astounding and chilling. Well done.
Jane Doe deserves insane praise for being able to not only save herself with the phone call but also get this monster off the streets so he can't hurt anybody else
True. But see, off the streets ain't good enough.
I was thinking also about how she might've been brushed off if she escaped and reported afterwards instead of calling from the scene of the crime. It's definitely not unheard of
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He is evil personified.
For real, i'm so proud of her.
That beginning call was SO stressful since I didn't know where the call would go. I was dreading the possibility of him waking up, but fortunately he didn't and Jane managed to escape
I was fricken clenched the whole time. She was so brave and remained calm for the whole call. I probably would've freaked out.
It took the cops ages to get there, and once there to enter, she was very lucky
Yea I was freaking out too. I was sitting there in the last moments as saying, "get out! Just open the door and run for it! The cops will see you. Either that or bash him with something heavy."
@@dasmuss6174 the questions
I was terrified! I was like surely she has to survive right??? Oh no…, oh no…?! They’re walking away?! 😵💫😱
One thing that really breaks my heart is when the operator asks where she was bleeding and you can hear her crying.
Yeah that whole call was hard to listen to :( I started crying with relief when I heard the officers voice saying "get out hurry"
Agree with you, that brought tears to my eyes.
I wish I could get 5 mins in a cell with buddy. He would die slow!!!
@@LongShlongDaddy get in line my friend, I have a steel bat just with his name on it! I’ll tty to leave you some!!!
@@LongShlongDaddy 5 minutes isn't slow enough for this sorry excuse of a human being. He robbed people of their lives, and he robbed "Jane Doe" of her purity and chance to give it to the person she loved and chose to marry. IMO there's not a punishment in this world bad enough for him.
"Choked her ass out!..... on accident" the most guilty statement i think I've ever heard lol
"You don't understand I strangled her as a joke!"
Also most women ever killed in "self defense"
The woman that interviewed him was so kind and sympathetic. I don't know how she kept her composure. And the fact you can faintly hear her heartbeat just makes it even more unbelievable.
@Conor McCabe I wasn’t questioning her tactics; I was applauding her skill.
I was so appalled when she was calling 911 - the woman is desperate and the dispatcher is asking such stupid questions what colour are his eyes. Wtf????? They were chatting for half an hour instead of sending the police. Shame on that dispatcher, i hope she will get fired
@@JuniperJennifer666 she definitely still has her job dunce wtf lmao the more information the better
@@JuniperJennifer666 I was feeling the exact same.
@@swazmc yeh let's have a Sunday chat when the perpetrators right next to her
Genuinely confused how the officers came up to the door and were told to push on the door and then started moving on to the next house? I'm glad in the end Jane Doe was safe but the added trauma of looking out the window and seeing them start to leave must have been terrifying. What a brave woman. I am in awe
If they break into the wrong house....lawsuit more than likely....
@@dandychiggins6802 like they care. how many times have they broken into the wrong house and killed someone or a pet....and got away with it.
@@gmary7298 how many?
I live in Ashland and the cops absolutely suck here. I know from first hand experience. They kicked in my back door and destroyed it - and I had called them asking to remove a drunk person from my yard - destroying my flower beds. I told them I was coming to the door and instead of waiting 2 second for me to flip the lock - they kicked it in. They are lazy one minute, and gung no for all the wrong reasons the next minute. It’s no shock to me they messed things up here!
@@michaelaurban4120 maybe they were trying to prevent the situation you went through......can't win if you're a cop. You just complained about them kicking in your door, then complain they didn't kick in this door..........your logic is horrible.
Went to school with him, never saw this coming. Lost touch after we graduated but a buddy would see him every now and then and say he was doing good. Then the news broke, we were all shocked.
😮😮😮😮
I used to hang out with him, I never saw it coming. He was always the hopeless romantic.
@@chadchadson3894 hs or after?
Wow 😳
@@chadchadson3894 Hopeless romatic like how?
Jane Doe : My kidnapper is literally sleeping right next to me
Dispatcher : Glad you called, we've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty
😂😂😂😂😂
Dispatcher "oh I'm sorry I didn't hear you speak louder please" 😂
It’s unbelievable 😂🤦🏽🤦🏽
Right???
That lady should have lost her job. She should have had her stay on the line but muted the dispatcher so he couldn't hear NOT keep asking her. Life's story. She could have gotten Jane killed
Jane's voice kept getting quieter and with each word I could sense she was more and more afraid. So urgent, yet so quiet... I can't imagine her terror in that moment. I'm glad she got out of there. I hope the families of the killed women are healing and are well. Same goes for Jane's family. And for her.
Great narration. Especially the body language analysis.
The dispatcher was just terrible, Jane is super lucky to be alive in spite of the copious amount of questioning.
She was freezing to death possibly... She sounded extremely weak too. This is horrifying....
Dispatcher: “What’s his mother’s maiden name?”
Jane: “I don’t know man, i’m just trying not to die.”
Lololol
Yeah no iiish...
She needs her ,all the nutty questions
Yup.. wow, just get someone there!
Dispatcher: Does he own the home?
Jane: Yeah, he's also got a 401k and an HSA. You wanna know what's in his index fund next?
As a former investigator, this is one of the greatest, most interesting and in depth docs I've ever seen on a subject like Mr. Grate. The production and research is fantastic and the continuity is flawless. Please do more episodes like this, I'm definitely now a huge fan!! Thanks from NYC!!
The analysis and presentation was excellent, very strong filmmaking, especially the voiceover, but the subject knew he was toast the minute he admitted to abduction. He wanted to go to jail for the rest of his life -he stated it at the outset.
Mr. Grate my a**. Shawny the Creepy Wacko should be his name from now on.
This is so wholesome
I noticed that, too. Great production! It must have taken quite a bit of time to put together.
As a former investigator, then you should spend some time ADVISING POLICE DEPARTMENT on better training their dispatchers?
Competent Crime Officers should be using this as a sample of how to BETTER TRAIN their dispatchers though;
Wasting time on questions that won't matter anyway; who CARES which house he lived in?!! Poor girl-hope she SUED THE POLICE FOR BEING SO STUPID! Oh, if you're worried you don't need to talk right now! Now, the dispatcher figures she should stop making the poor victim talk???Who trains these people to yap on the PHONE ? Get your officers to head to that LAUNDROMAT STUPID ! Be better for the OFFICERS if the DISPATCHER doesn't CAUSE the guy to wake up and run, wouldn't ir? they're not even protecting our OFFICERS, their stupid dispatcher is ALLOWING this to escalate! RIDICULOUS protocol! A GREAT BBC Crime show is " A Touch of Frost"...an inspector with a heart and a sharp sense of questioning. But it those you might note that women walking alone at night seems to be a bad habit of the writers ?
"I Ain't no Middleman"
FredGold
Dispatcher: " what's his favorite skittle color?"
The 2nd detective is the MVP. I truly believe if it wasn't for her, they'd never find the other victims. The 1st detective just started to lose control in mood and fustration. (Understandably)
No the first detective did splendid as well. I don’t think you can critique him after how much information he extracted from the killer.
@@aaroneasow865 I agree wholeheartedly. A lot of links were established due to the first detective which would’ve carried over to the second detective’s interrogation
It might've been an intentional good cop bad cop type deal
@@getgle that is what I think
I think the fact that the second detective was a woman, had a lot to do with him revealing so much. Both had very similar interviewing techniques.
I cannot believe how strong and brave Jane was. I hope she’s living a good, safe life now and that she knows how much good she did.
Evidently not "strong and brave" enough to rip his throat out while he slept....
@@dwightrenfield2241 but she was strong and brave enough to keep him alive to be prosecuted. It’s good for the other victims to get some closure.
@@dwightrenfield2241 calling 911 and remaining calm and collective while naked and held captive by a serial killer is strong and brave.
@@caitlinthomas2459exactly & the proof of that is revealed in his statement he "set Elizabeth free" when she jumped on his back.
@@dwightrenfield2241 Your comment is just pure nasty!! Love to put you in her place 😡
Wow, not even his mother defended him and straight up called him the devil. What a disgusting monster, the fact that he tried to justify his actions is mind blowing
yea the mother wasn't wrong. If a son of mine ever did this then he would no longer be my son
The ironic part is that shes the one responsible for his birth and upbringing. Convenient to wash your hands of the mess you created and cite ‘iTs tHe DeViL’
@@WolfPackM98c that’s not true, you can raise a person one way and expect them to be a good member of society, but things can happen that you don’t know about, and your kid is lost and you no longer have that control
Tbf, sounds like his mom wasn’t great about taking responsibility either. I hate how easy it is to warp a child’s mind and love map.
@@KoffeeMom agreed! And the sooner our society understands that some personalities when exposed to various forms of abuse. The type of child that is sensitive and gentle in nature can be hurt so deeply by the adult figure in their life, it causes deep fractures in trust and the ability to exhibit empathy, that combined with mental illness has been a disastrous combination. We have seen many serial killers have a wide range of mommy issues.
Wow! The suspense with that phone call had my heart rate going up.
Massive props to Detective Major. I am at a loss as to how she didn’t throttle him in the interrogation room. Also, never seen a cop be able to get a serial killer to confess to everything without a print to do so. Give this woman a raise!
She is a fantastic detective. She really used the best tactics with him.
Never seen it? You should watch more interrogations.
This detective is subtle but very thorough. Brilliant job.
She talks like a therapist and they crack so fast
Seems like any minute that cop could grab his scrawny neck. Creep
The arrogance to claim “I planned for her to escape” is astonishing. I don’t even think he said that to lessen his obvious guilt. I think he said it because he’s humiliated she got the better of him and escaped! She outsmarted him.
He might not be humiliated. It's possible he is being genuine due to how mentally ill he was.
@@ThorenTravels I agree, just watching the interview with Mager we can see how back and forth he was. I think he put the bag together and thought if she gets away ok, if not I’ll kill her.
@Beth Scott
I think what this monster was feeling was remorse for her. This is like a game for these types and he hates himself for the things he has done. He is playing the escape scenario out in his head because he WANTS to get caught but is a coward. He is aware of his actions and wants to be stopped. So he may be lying about "allowing her to get away" but I think it is a little deeper than just that.
Jane herself confirmed it. Not that I'm trying to justify anything this sicko did, but just saying.
Dude probably doesn't even know what 2+2 is. Doubt he has the IQ to plan something like that lmao.
Holy crap!!! That 911 call sent my anxiety through the roof!!! What an incredibly brave woman. Was close to tears listening to that and can't even imagine how scared she was when the Police started walking away. Could hear the desperation in telling them to come back and how much she wanted to shout out. I hope she's ok now
My heart was pounding like crazy. That was intense. I was so nervous for her.
I exhorted that dispatcher to Shhhh! all call long !!I was si afraid he get awaken by the dispatcher! That girl is a real hero! I really hope life is good with her.
She should have found a heavy object and brained him before calling 911. If we got lucky she could have saved us hundreds of thousands of tax dollars by not having to feed, clothe and house this pile of shit until he dies.
Omg most definitely 😢
911 dispatcher omg lady should have sent cops omg the anxiety 😢😮
Jesus Christ. It's terrifying that people like this exist and are just living their lives in plain sight. What a terrible person.
It is. He could be in line with you at a Walmart. Keep your head on a swivel.
"We were talking about marriage" ...
Home girl wouldn't even give him her phone number.
@@infoskrimp420 the more I listened, the more I hoped it was satire for true crime junkies. Unfortunately I was wrong.
Deluded narc
😂😂😂😂
I’m glad that they respected janes privacy, some channels don’t bother, but it’s small things like this that make me happy, it gives me a tiny bit of faith in humanity that I can immediately loose to the next true crime video I watch
They didnt have a choice, no indictment or affidavit had her name on it.
I heard them slip up and forget to redact her name at one point 😢
@@jagirl_vendetta2197 Shame on me for thinking that they cared. I'm an optimist. That was a lie, i'm really not, but this still makes me sad.
@@jagirl_vendetta2197 I didnt catch that are you sure? There was one point they named someone named Monica? Or something similar and I thought they slipped. But then I realized they were referring to somebody else they talked to.
I love that this entire video keeps the victim in mind. Throughout the interview, we get little snippets of Jane's story and crime scene evidence just to cut through Shawn's obvious lies and deflections of what really happened. I feel like, especially with crimes like these, the victim gets overshadowed a bit and the focus is mostly on the suspect/perpetrator. Great job!
The production of this particular one is on another level!
In the beginning they said that the victim didn’t want to be the limelight of the story because of what happened to her.
@@niniw6252 That's not what happened here. They censored her name, kept a lot of what happened private out of respect to her, but I don't think you can tiptoe around that fact that the perp was a r*pist and kidnapper.
I was talking about how in crime documentaries, there seems to be this fascination with the perp to the point where uncovering the story and "mental illness" behind it makes the victims unheard and sometimes ignored entirely.
I think the victim and their family should always be prioritized over a despicable human being who caused so much trauma and loss.
@@niniw6252 by this I think they mean they’re happy that the focus is what he did to his victims, and the people that they were, and showing that his stories were just stories, and that the victim was telling the truth.
I’ve heard the 911 call a bunch and it is the most stressful call I’ve ver heard. I can not imagine the terror that poor woman went through. Judging by the dead bodies he was never ever going to let her go
Just listening to the call, it felt like an ETERNITY for the officers to get there... I cannot even imagine what that was like for her. Her bravery not only saved her life, but that of who knows how many others.
It feels just as long when you’re the call taker too!
Well, they didn't have an exact address, and the odds are that there's not even any police departments nearby. They were in the neighborhood for a couple of minutes before finding the exact house, so I'd say they did an admirable job getting there in time to help.
@@MikadoYuma I wasn't condemning the job they did or the speed in which they got there. I was just sharing that, in just listening to her while she was on the phone, it felt like an eternity, and that I could not imagine being her, in the house, waiting for them to get there; how just a few minutes felt like an eternity.
@@tracysires6826 ... and being naked, so vulnerable. Knees shaking. She was so brave; it's get out like this or die. It would have felt like forever, looking through a long tunnel.
Did you delete my comment? what a hack move lol
This girl is one of the bravest people alive. I can only imagine the fear she must have felt when he almost woke up
Yes!! I couldn’t imagine the fear!!!
She had no choice. It's act or don't. Glad she did.
humans arent scary
@@DekkarJr you made a contradictory statement
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775I understand what they meant. Act or don't act and die. Not much of a choice in that sense.
This woman’s bravery is beyond compare. The suspense during that call was insane, not even the greatest horror movie could even hold a candle. Thank goodness those officers found her.
For real wtf. I even read comments before and i stopped breathing at times. Still only at the point where there are no officers yet
The dislike button spitting facts
"oh my god!!! It's just like my hecking Hollywood movies but worse!!!!!!!!!"
Shut up lmfao
Nothing like comparing abduction and crime to a fucking horror movie. What the fuck
@@wbergie7847 You misunderstood, I was saying that the level of suspense isn’t able to be replicated. She’s brave to be able to overcome it 😒 but go ahead get offended if you want
Thank you. This is as eye opening as it is terrifying. What your doing is helpful in making people aware of their surroundings
I’d just like to say shame on all those who wrote fan mail to this man and all those who fantasise and treat these monsters like celebrities. You’re truly effed up yourself if you do this.
Sick people likes sick people.
He wrote me back:)
@@notthefeds4147 gross
They should be on a watch list
Eeww they wrote him fan mail. They truly need their heads examined.
Dispatcher: what is his favorite food?
Dispatcher: what is his favorite movie?
Dispatcher: if he could choose one place to vacation where would it be?
Dispatcher: what is his favorite color?
Dispatcher: what brand toothpaste does he use?
Died 😂😂
But that moment of feeling like they are saved just by breaking through to the dispatcher can make them have a moment of feeling saved, which intern can cause them to slip up and lose their instincts and talking too much is one of them. Do not ever think that these demons and flesh are not on high alert ready to end your life and there's just to get away with one more fix. After all you are weak and powerless over a person who has empathy, and is malignantly pleasured by the act.
She was very good imo, she got so much info very quickly and calmly. If that’s the last heard of the person calling you need as much info as possible.
@@simonepalma_1454 bwhaha😂
Ha! 🤣✌️
The female interrogator, Mager, was brilliant! Her composure and care were perfect. It's unexpected, but a caring voice, even to a killer, can crack the shell.
Agreed!
But omg it took me way too long to realize there's no video on that section.
We're all nutjobs. Some nutjobs enough to make a harsh comment towards our significant others, some nutjobs enough to kill 10 people. It's human nature to be nurtured to nurture, and to be neglected to neglect. That nurturing might save a person, and that neglect might kill one someday.
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422
Sometimes, not always. I have a slew of mental (& physical) illnesses, nurture was not what you'd consider that word to mean in my life. 1 parent, poverty, and she didn't even know how to raise me, although she tried her best.
Yet so far, I'm doing ok keeping a kill count at zero. You gotta have some evil nature to do this, no matter what nurture was like, imo.
But I agree with your last sentence 100%
And it's not someday, that happens every day.. sadly. People start caring often when it's much too late, even when those in need ask for help. This is especially true for mentally ill.
@@A_Ducky well I'm glad to hear your kill count is zero 😬🥺😁
I, as a listener, was like omg, stop asking questions, get the police there now. This lady was so calm, given her situation. I pray she is healing in all ways. She saved others lives, no doubt
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I never thought I'd be watching a serial killer documentary and see a person I used to serve at a local bar as one of the victims. Kind of in shock. Very, very sad.
crazy who hides under there mask within this Harsh world
You need to go more in depth about this.
who was it
@zizag online Thank you.
Although this took place a while ago, I don't know what families of victims see, and don't want to make anything harder on them. When we don't see a regular customer coming in anymore, we assume they just started going to a different bar or moved away. No one expects to hear they were murdered by a serial killer in such a horrific way. Its chilling to the bone, and my prayers are with all these families.
@zizag onlineOf course. God bless 🙏.
massive props to jane for how calm and quiet she was through the whole call. i can't imagine how terrified she must have been in that moment.
Especially when she told the 911 operator "...tell them to come back...". Omg were they really leaving?!
@@trudylambert8775 no way they'd leave, they probably just drove passed the house trying to look for it
Jane is such a strong brave woman. I couldn’t even imagine, I’m sure she was absolutely terrified.
She sound so calm. It is hard to be that way knowing that the person it's right there
I know, I would have freaked!
I usually hear those type of statements sarcastically, but yeah. Yeah she is.
And that 911 operator is a whole damn angel
Jane is amazing. Shes a superwoman. Im glad that sicko was caught. And i hope Jane is doing better every day
I loved this so much! Hes toying with them. His narcissism is blatantly obvious. You can see how excited he gets with the female officer. She's like FBI profiler level. Making him feel like he's not a bad guy and that she knows how he feels. They know they have him as soon as she went in there. Narcissistic psychopaths can't help but to fall for this. You have to play their game. Sending a woman in there was perfect reverse psychology. Sometimes to catch these people is to be those people. Excellent video! This is the first one I watched that got me hooked on your channel. There are so many true crime channels but this one is my favorite. The editing is awesome. I love that you will pause occasionally during the interrogation to explain to people the back story and explain how and why the interrogaters do what they do. Just fantastic work! Thank you!
Its important to mention that if anyone says they are "moving to Mansfield Ohio to get a fresh start on life" that is absolutely a lie.
Its funny, I know people from there from the internet. They get duis for fun over in that general region. One of them told me that prison was a great place to be that straigtens you out. Its looney tunes out there in ohio lol.
If they move to ohio at all its prob a red flag lol
@@atruescotsmanuth2481beyond looney toons lol 😂 Ohio is more like the show Shameless 😂😂😂😂
@@MonarchismFan sums up Ohio lol 🤣
That's facts tho lol Mansfield is so baddddd
The way my anxiety shot up the roof when she was about to open the door and leave the room. What a brilliant woman. I hope you are able to move past this trauma and live a happy, safe life.
Hopefully she has the sense to not trust people as much anyway. Unless you really, really know somebody which honestly you never truly know somebody if you think about it, trust nobody. If the guy says he wants to give her some clothes, great. Bring another dude with her and say it's just to help carry everything. If that makes him act sketchy and weird, well there's your answer right there.
@@voteZDLR quite victime blaming, hopefully she won't meet other psycho yeah, hopefully guys like him will get arrested before commiting their 7th or I don't even know how many offences, hopefully guys will stop being dangerous one day
@@laural.b7515 I am not victim blaming. Victim blaming would be me saying "serves the bitch right I hope she gets kidnapped again for being so stupid". No, quite literally, trust nobody. This world is fucked. That's just common sense. Nice try SJW.
@@voteZDLR that is slight victim blaming.
This happened in my hometown. The 911 call, unfortunately, was farmed out to another county to answer our calls. That dispatcher knew nothing about our town or where she was talking about. This shook our tiny town to it's core. To have a serial killer in our community, squatting in a house, and killing women. Kudos to our officers and investigators for finding out he has killed before and would have continued , if not the bravery of Jane.
What about the dispatcher? She did an excellent job that you've overlooked because the 911 call was out of town, as far as I'm aware its gonna be pretty rare to get a 911 operator that has grown up local to the person they are speaking to?
How do some people get so many comments and likes? The way you have on this comment.
Can’t they trace numbers
@@Carlitoast_ Damn your on your game but you know she better was on a cellphone. Remember abandoned house . No landline. If he had a landline in there he’s a fool.
Abandoned houses with serial killers hiding in them. Sounds like a cute town.
I really wish there was a widespread 911 texting line for things like this. It would be so much safer for victims in these types of situations if they could quietly text instead of having to talk RIGHT NEXT TO HER KIDNAPPER
It certainly seems we have the technological ability, but people fear change even when it makes sense. Like your idea🫡
Let's talk about the people who've sent him fan mail. Those individuals need serious psychological screening, help and need to be monitored a little more closely! 😢
Why do you not empathise with his pain??
@@sanchog5704 probably because he literally murdered people?
@@sanchog5704 because he was a terrible person who murdered people. He deserves no empathy or sympathy.
@@sanchog5704 Bro what
Any criminal (serial killer, rapist, etc) has fans. That’s just how it is. You can’t keep an eye on every person that idolizes criminals, there just aren’t enough good people in the world to watch over the bad.
So happy she was brave enough to make that call.. These other cases probably would probably never have been solved and thanks to the female detective who got him to talk, building a rapport with him.
The first interrogation officer deserves credit as well-he stayed on track and kept the suspect a bit off balance while using a whole bunch of techniques: “befriending,” confronting, using the suspect’s own words to point out inconsistencies, etc.
I have great respect and admiration for (most) police officers. In just an eight hour shift they may have to respond to dangerous situations, use their knowledge of laws, take unenthusiastic people into custody, assess health conditions and give resuscitation care as appropriate, interrogate suspects, get “physical” and accurately document each interaction. Amazing people!!
She is such a brave person. I couldn't even imagine what she felt like and was going through. She's also a hero In my opinion because she help find other people he killed she helped a lot of souls. I hope she's doing okay.
@@SqueakyWheel__Inc. It's a necessary part of their job....
Every bit of information can be helpful for them to find her and know what they're walking into. She did tell she didn't have to talk if she couldn't, after all. Which she did. And it all worked out.
@@SqueakyWheel__Inc. dont spew like that if you dont know what youre talking about. imagine the man woke up, killed the woman calling 911, and fled the scene. they need a description of the man’s appearance, habits, property, etc. just in case. but i do agree that the dispatcher could be talking quieter.
She was very brave. She likely spared many lives. I pray this woman has found a measure of peace. I can't imagine the terror.
Hearing a man actually say "she wanted it" genuinely made my skin crawl smh.
Ngl hearing him say that made me physically Ill...
Makes my skin crawl too. He is a physco.
This is how it's usually justified, "she wanted it but then she changed her mind". I hear rapists say that, and the rapist will play the victim only when they're called out by the actual victims.
Kicker is, they usually get away with it.
I know many victims of rape (inc myself) who don't go to the police because we know the system doesn't care about us. We're not people, we're "20 minutes of action". Going to the police will cause us more harm, anyway. Usually labeled* crazy by the rapist, and people side with the rapist because he's a "good guy".
A fear many women live with every time we step outside: the off chance we're not hyper aware for a moment we can be raped, tortured, killed, and forgotten.
My rapist said the same.. it's more common than you think
@@ocachisu It's a horrible reality. I've lived through rape and went to the police. The female officer said that it wasn't rape because I didn't say "no." How could I say no when he had me under duress? Hatchets and knives were later found hidden in the couch.
Detective Mager needs to be paid whatever she asks for. That interrogation tactic was amazing to watch. When she started, they had a few counts of s*xual a**ault and at least one count of abduction to confessions of multiple murders, likely multiple counts of s*xual a**ault and arson. Not to mention they found multiple missing persons. It's good this guy is no longer out walking around and multiple families have closure.
Detective mager is an amazing woman sadly she retired
It felt as if the cops took forever to reach Jane. She was incredibly brave. I hope she's recovering well and not suffering mentally from this horrible incident.
She didn't seem as "traumatized" while navigating her rescue as the narrator make it seem. Then again, she might've just handled it well.
@@BarrywHiteFTW your body physically will take over when in those situations. Your body and mind wants to live. Adrenaline can make you react in a very strong way that you wouldn't without the adrenaline. As soon as that adrenaline left her body I'm sure she was a complete wreck.
@@BarrywHiteFTW You can’t be seriously questioning if this woman was actually traumatized, I could hear the anxiety in her voice and the adrenaline that fear can give you and once she was rescued, that adrenaline stops and she became frozen and had to snap out of it. She was 100% about to be brutally killed.
@@miranda13c I was actually giving her credit and remarking on how impressive it was that she kept hey composure. That's all. I wasn't "seriously questioning" anything.
@@BarrywHiteFTW You sure worded it that way heavily.
Him trying to blame her and saying she “needed it” was so sickening. It’s so scary that he’s not the only person tho thinks like that too
my ex boyfriend talked like this "jokingly" he would say things like "i should kidnap you" so he could "have me all to himself" and at the time you know i was so in love with him it seemed endearing but then he started acting rlly weird and leaving things outside my bedroom window so i got a restraining order against him and he ended up moving to calgary 😭 which, thank god he did bc honestly he was really scary and im so glad i realized he wasn't a safe person to be around. i really hope he gets some therapy or something.
humans arent scary
@@squishie8745 a lesson that you should do relationships and instead marry in islamic way
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 no, it's a lesson that men are human garbage
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775it’s even worse when you’re married, stop trying to push shit onto people
"she kept talking about how we needed to get married"
No, she kept saying she was waiting for marriage. Not to you.
Completely delusional. Psycho.
Ahhhhh that’s what he twisted to fit his motives wonder if he actually thinks that or is just lying to the detectives.
He said "she started talking about another guy. Idk what she was thinking" uh thinkin she dont wanna be with you like she said
Hes a creep n sees like he dont think he did anything wrong
If she had already been taken hostage, then she very well could have been saying that in an attempt to keep him from r*ping her.
As a former 911 operator, the questions that we ask are not slowing down response times. All we truly need is a location and a nature type for the call and it can be sent to the dispatchers. That can happen within seconds of the call, depending on your caller. But the questions you ask and the notes you write while you are the phone with them are crucial to the safety of your caller and the responding units! The dispatcher made her aware that if she felt uncomfortable to answer, she could be silent. We do have to ask a lot of questions that might seem unnecessary but it’s important to get as much info as possible while you can. The most important thing here is that she got out of that situation and the units are safe as well!
What if the person causing harm hears her 🥲
Not by putting her in immediate danger of harm.
That dispatch call is now used in training to show how to not handle that as a dispatcher, so if you are a dispatcher & you believe that how she handled that was right. You need to be fired or quit your job immediately before you get anyone killed
Asking if she gets permission to use the bathroom, or what kind of pizza the guy likes, & all that extra shit is incredibly reckless & endangering. She knew the exact name of the guy & even spelled the last name out so obviously she had his information pulled up. She doesn’t need to know all that extra BS information that second while the girl is in the room with him & shouldn’t have kept talking especially without whispering when the girl said she woke him up & she CERTAINLY shouldn’t have told her to try to leave on her own with no protection & the officers not even certain what house exactly. If she thought she coulda left fine she woulda already done that. You think she didn’t think about leaving before dispatch mentioned it? Ofc she did. You are really bad at your job & will get someone serious harmed someday with your logic if you think she didn’t create an incredibly enormous unnecessary risk for that girl
Bozo
Detectives who can communicate with sick killers in this understanding non-judgemental fashion are true professionals of their job.
All of us is sick in our own way.
i could do it tbh. im not some tard who cant control his emotions and i can sit and talk with someone i dont agree with lol, i think most rational peopel can. what detectives do is being able to get people to say what they want them to say, they are master of manipulation.
@@matt-de9ie That's why you don't talk to them without an lawyer
@@Llamaifunny if to you rape is an opinion then you're probably kinda fucked up yourself bud just sayin
@@1000-i7d 😂 you know he meant whose actions i dont agree with / condone right?
The female detective was absolutely INCREDIBLE! Had they not said she was a detective, I would have been convinced she was one of the worlds finest criminal psychologists! Her approach, the timing, how she built his trust, how he wanted her to be the one he revealed everything (maybe everything) he did to her, and her alone...I was just dumbfounded. He's an incredibly sick individual and the fact that he's getting the death penalty in this particular case seems to fit the bill. I'm glad that the defense didn't try to get him off on an insanity plea. There was no way he would have qualified. He knew exactly what he was doing. He might have had completely ridiculous reasons for doing what he did, but the murders were calculated, planned, and executed in such a way there was no doubt he knew what he was doing. The attorneys knew he did it, the courts knew, his family and friends knew. Everyone knew. I sincerely hope there weren't more than 5 victims but I have this terrible feeing in the put of my stomach there were more. Many more. What a sick son of a b!
They often deliberately use female detectives with guys who kill or attack women. Because they see women as lesser people and think women are "below" them, they tend to underestimate the interrogator, and be less careful, making more mistakes.
In most cases like this I can’t not agree. I just started watching this. The guy is diabolical enough,scitzo ect. I’m very sure there are more victomes unaccounted for. It’s sick.
@@erikak8187 agreed. Since you just started watching, I won't spoil anything for you.
@Anne - I don't know that it had anything to do with how he viewed her in terms of being "below" him. I think it was a matter of how she made him feel comfortable, that he could let his guard down. He even made a comment towards the end of the video about how the male detective was angry and combative, so he didn't want to talk to him.
The female detective came across as empathetic and like she understood why he did what he did. Her tone of voice was non-combative. She never came across as angry or hateful towards him. She made him feel comfortable.
I have no idea how she was able to do it. I could not have maintained my cool in that kind of situation. The other officers would have had to pry me off the guy.
But, in the end, who really knows how he felt? Nobody can truly understand what was going on inside that sick f**k's mind.
I'm so glad that Jane Doe made the phone call she did and was brave enough to get the police in the building. Had she not, there almost certainly would have been more victims.
More people need to watch this to ensure they understand the warning signs - to make sure they're not a victim in a similar situation.
Thank god he's off the streets!!! The terrible part is - I fear there are more people like him out there. And that makes me sick to my stomach.
@@JeffHochberg it’s sickening because there are others out there like him and even worst than him. Some of them are family members, pastors etc, I can never at any point come to terms with these men who raise their babes only to rape and kill them, and some mothers they know but blame the kids because they are afraid of being alone or what they think society will say. I protect my child at all cost, she thinks I am too clingy but so be it.
@@kymgardner327 you know - it's ironic - I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday and we were discussing how there were all these times when we were little and we thought parents/relatives were crazy for saying/doing the things that they did. Then we got older and wiser and end up saying "wow - I guess they really did know what they were talking about!" I hope your child realizes the same. Keep being an awesome mom - keep your baby under your wing and protect them until they're old enough to fend for themselves. Only then will they know that what you were doing was for their best interest. Just love and cherish as much as you can! And hope that there are good law enforcement officers and people like Jane Doe to help uncover these sick people and make sure they can't get to others!
Huge respect for keeping the victim’s name anonymous, god knows she’s dealing with enough without a bunch of nosy internet people
It wasn't EXPLORE WITH US's decision.
The name of the victim has been redacted since the case went public, apparently.
It's good however what if people want to send her money to get counseling or whatever she needs?
@@nicolegillespie4704 I think it might honestly be overwhelming for her, she’d reach out to the internet if she needed. Girl just needs to process and cope in her own time
@@nicolegillespie4704 that still should be her own decision lol
@Christopher Nayar Uhm no actually
I love the explanations and interpretations on everything the interrogator/suspect is doing or saying! Didn't know everything in an interrogation is THAT planned. Very interesting. You guys did a great job on this video, I enjoyed it and learned so much! ^-^
I actually live in the town where this happened and cannot even believe this man existed near and around me and everyone here. This was such a tragedy and I truly feel for the victims and their families. So much bravery the girl had to call the police when he was just sleeping right next to her, I can’t imagine the fear she had at that moment. Thank God she was rescued!
Amen
@@KDeere71 I’m in Mansfield too
The scary thing is there's way too many people like him out there. You'd think no one would do this in your area but the truth is there's probably a few. That's why I WISH most woman wernt against owning a gun & carrying it. It shocks me how it's sooo easy for woman to be victims like this Jane Doe BUT the majority of woman are against having a firearm in the home & against owning one. Woman if ANYTHING should be pushing for more gun rights than men do. If it were up to me, every good woman would carry a small firearm at all times.
@@MattyDemello No Mansfield Ohio
Son of Sam lived three blocks from where I lived in Yonkers. He had us all terrified, especially the girls with brown hair, You just never know who your living near. Most people do not look like monsters and we can not see what going vh on inside their heads. Very scary guys like this.
I worked as a correctional officer at a mens maximum security prison for years. The normal looking ones are the monsters I can assure you. Murderers don’t look anything like what you’d expect. It’s terrifying. (General statement of my own experiences…)
It's terrifying to think how many more people are capable of unimaginable things and many , likely the more skilled ones, never get caught.
@@alexandramcgoey3656 just like the man(I can't remember his name) beat a 13 yr old with with rock left then came back and killed her because he thought she was suffering(why do that in the first place) after he was arrested he worked the system made it seem like he was reformed and was able to go out Christmas shopping with other prisoners. Because of good behavior (First of all they are in jail they lost the ability to do that once they are arrested and lost their freedom I don't care how long ago it was I don't care if he had good behavior ) well he escaped and hasn't been caught. Who knows what other crimes he has committed since then. They did have a warrant out for him and a detective went on to see maybe he got picked up over a traffic stop or something. The warrant was removed. It back on now so hopefully he will get caught soon. I saw it on the new unsolved mysteries. When I find out his name I'll edit this.
Lester Eubanks committed crime 1965 escaped 1973
15 most wanted
@@alexandramcgoey3656 Aric Collins / no chance on Facebook is one of those types! Fake pastor on Facebook with a 30 year criminal history of strangulating women. I sure he has murdered some women before!
Pppl are just dumb and think that physical appearence makes a person who they are, ppl tend to think that fat ppl, ugly ppl, old ppl, and so on are they should fear because for sure they are bad guys, but it's not like that, pretty or ugly, fat or slim, old or new, nothing of this will tell you what a ppl truly is
@ BillDewall75 I too worked in an ER for 12 years and confirm this to be 100% accurate.
The fact that he really saw himself as doing a favor for these women is just absolutely insane. The way he interprets every action a woman takes as something against him and how he never truly feels like he did anything wrong is wild. Amazing video, I was captivated the entire time
what's terrifying is how many men in society are taught a lot this man's thinking from their fathers and pass down a general disregard for consent.
Incels, man… just absurdly crazy
what makes it worse is that, the more the detective mager spoke with him, the more he told her. I literally was like "fuck, how many people did he kill?" even cold cases, and hes linked to them.
@@dude101lolol The internet isn't helping either. There is a ton of stuff directed at men that feel dejected out there, and it is has been getting more persistent and deranged as time has gone on. They will quote internet personalities out there that have the "you shouldn't feel bad for being a man" agenda and excuse all of their shitty behavior with "facts" they learn from them. It has gotten so extreme you can watch these videos of rapists and murderers and find guys in the comments defending them. I watched a video about a guy that killed an innocent girl because she was going to tell people they had a relationship and he worried he might lose his job as a chef manager at a restaurant. There were multiple comment threads saying he deserved a second chance because he seemed remorseful. Guys were saying that it was the girl's fault because she couldn't keep her mouth shut and she was trying to ruin his "career". This type of stuff has bred an entire new classification of men that not only don't respect women, but look at them like objects or actively hate them. It isn't just one off's or guys raised in terrible circumstances or by bad parents, it is completely cultural. There are great parents that did everything right but their boys found the wrong stuff on the internet, got dejected at school, and now they are little monsters. Incel culture is just the tip of the iceberg, and it is getting worse and worse over time.
@@seanfarrand9167 okay hold up you dont even know thr commenters gender cuz your on youtube.
And your generalizing you cant generalize.