Outback Wilderness 12,000 Mile Review | Keep It OR Sell It???
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- After 12,000 miles of various types of terrain in our Subaru Outback Wilderness, it's time to make a decision on if we should keep it or sell it for something that better suits our lifestyle. In this video, we review the pros and cons of the Outback Wilderness and finally give our take on whether this vehicle should stay in the garage or be replaced by something that we feel is a better fit for our family.
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Just a note on the wilderness as I’ve learned with mine. The transmission technically starts in the second “gear” ratio when in normal drive. If you kick over to manual mode the first “gear” is actually a lower ratio and provides better torque. Just thought I’d throw that out there for those of us taking it to the dirt.
Appreciate it!
Stoked to hear you're keeping it. I just got an Outback Wilderness myself and your videos have been extremely helpful for learning what the building process looks like, pros and cons and what not. As a new and first time Subaru owner your channel has been extremely valuable for someone in my position and I'm sure others feel the same.
We appreciate that greatly and congrats on the OBW!
As a new OBW owner I rely on your opinion. Thanks for all the advice and glad you’re keeping it.
No worries! Appreciate the vote of confidence
Every single mod this guy did to the Outback made it a worse daily driver. Which I don't get they had another jeep for overlanding.
I've driven my Wilderness less than half as many miles as you have. I'm also new to Subaru, and didn't know there was a strong brand loyalty out there. So far my experience with this Outback has been a pleasure. On the highway, the comfort level is light-years better than my Ford Mustangs. Off road, it's been up to the task on everything I've done so far. My off-road adventures will get more challenging as I check out Death Valley and Gold Butte.
I'll keep watching your channel to see how your mods work for you.
Right on! Thanks for the input and enjoy the journey!
I sold my 2010 Outback 3.6R recently, that car had LSD rear diff and smooth as butter V6 boxer engine with 350nm torque. I also had a 2 inch lift on it giving it a massive 270mm ground clearance. I often regretted selling it. The performance of the Subi on tarmac was unbeatable, strong and responsive, it was real sweet to drive. Off raod, at 9 tenths, the Subi could do everything that any IFS 4x4 wagon can do. I found the Subaru traction control will cut power in difficult off road situations like pushing against a rock, but when you switch off the traction control the power comes back on and you can often get through that obstacle. But ultimately the long nose, lack of front and rear diff lock, no winch, no rated recovery points stops you taking it to harder tracks with confidence. All these can be fixed by fitting a lift, aftermarket bull bar with winch mount, and diff locks front and back. To be fair, no one buys a 4x4 and take it on hard tracks straight out of the box, everyone has to make modifications, it's all part of the fun.
I agree and that’s a lot of good info. Thanks for the comment!
As a subie guy myself who takes his off road, you got a lot of good points. It's a great daily driver that has the ability to go off pavement, but it's definitely no jeep. But man... that fuel economy.. haha. In regards to the suspension, it's definitely made for comfort.. that's for sure, used to drive a '19 forester that I had lifted with a long travel suspension kit, and that made a world of a difference. Currently driving a forester wilderness and I'm just waiting till I can get another long travel kit for this one. Oh! Another thing in case you aren't doing so already, make sure you are monitoring the CVT temperatures. I know the wilderness trims come with an added transmission cooler, but it never hurts to keep an eye on things. Don't want to be running it hard, just to kill the transmission on the middle of a trail.
😂😂 that fuel economy will get you every time! It’s good to hear from someone who has been in the Subaru world for a while share my thoughts because I wasn’t sure if I was reaching or there was still hope. Thanks for the info and the comment!
Yeah, good point about the CVT temp, I have a scan gauge 2 on my steering column. But their wilderness has an auxiliary CVT cooler, that’s how they got the higher tow rating.
@@roamingwithjosh nah, definitely not reaching lol its definitely a capable vehicle, but at the end of the day, it's still an AWD crossover. Also, about the touch screen, that's one of the 3 reasons I stuck with the forester when upgrading to the wilderness trim haha.
It's interesting seeing the comments in here and some of the people who looked at this vs a Jeep, Bronco, or 4Runner... and I think it's important to make the distinction that this thing isn't really out to compete with any of the trucks... and if you're considering one of those 3, you probably aren't the demographic for the Wilderness Subies. It's just supposed to be a capable soft-roader/overlander. It's not designed to be a rock crawler. It's for those of us who are looking for some trail capability without having to sacrifice gas economy and on-road comfort.
I'm coming out of a 4th Gen 4Runner with a frame that sadly rotted out on me. My budget's a bit tight, and I'm taking a look at some lightly used Wilderness Outbacks and Foresters. The newer Broncos and 4Runners are just a bit too far out of my price range, and I know that I need a gas economic vehicle as a daily driver. So I would like a trail capable, roadtrip worthy vehicle, and then save up for a 3rd gen 4Runner as more of a technical crawler/off-roader. The Subie helps scratch the itch while I'm saving up for a more proper "toy".
I think if you're purely looking for a true off-roader, you shouldn't even be looking at something that's not something like a truck/suv. I think this is more targeted at the demographic who want something with some of the capabilities of the off-roaders, but definitely spend more time on paved roads than trails.
i agree with you totally. Thanks for the comment!
Great overview. Basically all the same points I’ve experienced with my Forester. CVT is fine for daily commuting, but it’s what I’m always worried about when off-road. I also plan to do all the same mods you mentioned at the end. Still won’t make it a jeep, but maybe a bit more fun ha.
Exactly, more fun would be awesome!
Ain't no point in making a jeep, jeeps are for climbing houses, subaru can handle everything else
Thanks for this video. I've been on the fence on this vehicle because of the limitations I've heard from a lot of reviewers. Hearing from an owner that the limitations are real was what I was looking for. So my remaining list of vehicles are the Bronco Sport, the Bronco, and the 4Runner TRD. Thanks!
No worries! Limitations are real and it comes down to how hard you want to push a vehicle that’s not really designed for what we put it through. Thanks for the comment!
There is no comparison between a body on frame and a unibody.
X mode works well allowing the computer to brake individual wheel spin, or to allow more wheel spin.
We average 4-5 feet of snow every winter. We live on a private road in which we have to plow and maintain. Furthermore our road is 1/2 a mile from the end of a county road that is seldom plowed or is the last to be plowed.
We have to engage X mode on our Outback just to get up our road and into our garage from the county road. We also have to engage our Rav and our pickup into 4WD to make it to our house.
In first stage X mode in a Subaru will disengage at 25 mph, then reengage under 22 mph.
A lot of our neighbors use to own Jeeps but have now gone to Subaru’s, as they are more reliable and more efficient than the jeeps
Awesome info!
I bought my wife a 19 Outback to commute to work. We have to put it in X mode just to get up our private road and into our garage during the winter months.
We Love our Outback and plan on buying me an Outback Wilderness next year.
awesome!
*watches this sitting in my 2011 outback with 200,000+ miles on it still going strong, chanting* keep it.
LOL I love it!
One other reason to keep - safety. You have a little one and its far more like you will be hit by another vehicle then get stick on a rock! My experience - Subaru protects a family.
I completely agree with that! Thanks for the comment.
Drove my 2024 OBW of the lot this weekend- my third Subaru- love it so far!
Awesome!
I am looking forward to the upgrades on the Outback! I have a 2019 outback premium (4cly no turbo, stock) and have been pulling a square drop camper with camp gear thoughtfully distributed with my family (wife, two kids and dog) without any major issue. Planning on getting a wilderness this year and swapping out rear suspension immediately for the same reasons you noted. We live in Illinois and keep our travels to mild gravel, Great Lakes area adventuring. Just discovered your channel and love the Jeep and Subaru stuff your family have done.
Right on! We appreciate the comment and would love to know what you end up going with for rear suspension. Thanks!
I know its more expensive but I'd consider switching out all 4. If you are carrying a load you want it balanced and you should also get a worthy front enhancement as well. I realize you are mostly concerned about tow weight in the back, but you can keep it balanced and get a flatout system of coil overs or similar that are customized for your load and height requirements. I think it's worth it and pays for itself in the longer run. Databyter.
@@Databyter sorry for the confusion but the plan would be all four. I recently saw some videos on the flat out brand coils. They look nice. I’ve been leaning towards LP Aventure but having a strong coil system and lift all-in-one from flat out looks good too.
@@Thrillhous.e Honestly I can't recommend brands. I'm just aware of a nice build that used the Flatouts, and researched their site. Looks pretty good, but you pay for it. I'm sure there are some other good options as well.
Subaru should just get rid of CVT, period and get a real transmission. And bring back a good V6!
Preach!
Thank you for this video! I sold my Tacoma (and got ridiculous $ for it in this market) that I adored in Oct for the OBW. I do love and appreciate the OB, much better car for our dogs, however I miss "something" I had in the Tacoma. I was just shopping a Wrangler as I've had many prior to the Taco, but am hemming and hawing. I also want to totally LOVE the OB, and echo all your likes/dislikes (love the Subaru community but the warnings/beeping & shock travel issue drive me nuts) . I do think its capable enough for what my BF and I do - this video swayed me to ultimately keep the OBW, & perhaps start adding some mods. I look forward to your experiences, recommendations, upgrades and love your brutal candid honesty. Cheers, Susan :-)
Thank you for your comment, Susan! It’s a love hate relationship, but for now we will stick it out and see what comes of it. Thanks again!
Owned a lifted and armored Jeep wrangler, have a Jeep cherokee trailhawk, currently trading that in for an outback wilderness. I know it won't be anywhere as capable as either when the going gets rough. It will be however much more comfortable on the road, it's much larger for the fam, and it'll be considerably more fun to drive on the road then the other two.
This vehicle has been a great middle ground for us. Trust me, I miss the capability of our Jeeps, but I don't miss the daily driving experience whatsoever. Thanks for the comment!
@@roamingwithjosh the Cherokee as a DD hasn’t been terrible, my family is growing so it’s no longer large enough for what we need. Considered a grand Cherokee but the seats in that SUCK. So the next best thing was a bronco (garbage build quality) or a Subaru Outback. The latter took the prize
I’m not an off-road guys at all but I definitely like driving on maintained gravel roads and plan on getting one of these for overland camping. I am little bummed out that you still have to drop more cash on a vehicle that is already up there in price. My wife and I are obsessed with the wilderness and probably will pull the trigger sometime by the end of this year. I’m enjoying your videos and appreciate you documenting your journey!
Awesome! If that type of terrain is your speed then this vehicle will meet and exceed your expectations! Thanks for the comment we appreciate it!
Big Subaru outback fan, glad you’re keeping it. I drive mine every day and it’s so comfortable but of course I don’t do the extreme off-road you do but I think you will find it a good fit for the family.
So far we agree and appreciate the input!
I’m in the same boat. The beeping gets on my nerves but can turn it all off. Bought this car with plants to run it into the ground over 20 years (I got a lifetime powertrain warranty, and will get multiple free engines) My biggie is the low end toque. Now I have a fwd car so I’m used to full send into sketchy sections, but it’s not a rock crawler whatsoever.
No it is not! Thanks for the comment!
It is great to hear that you are getting a torq locker.... I'm really interested to see what kind of difference it makes.
Us to! Thanks for the comment!
Great video. Lot's of real world feedback and interesting points, and thanks for including Courtney. It's helpful to hear feedback from the primary driver. Thank you for all of the OBW content!
No worries, dude! Glad it was helpful.
Removing the sway bar will cause the drive axels to over extend and damage them.. Nice review..
Thanks!
Hey!
So I finally received my Wilderness & I have been doing some research on it throughout the time I have been waiting for it & also once I received it, I did my adjustments on the settings. You can adjust notifications volume & choose what you want to get notified to you like your emails, texts or just screen .
Just thought I would let you know that it doesn't need to be so loud. Even text notifications can be eliminated or volume set low so its not blaring. Wishing You the best!
That's awesome to hear! We will take a look and try to get those beeps under control. Congrats on the new ride!
Glad you guys are keeping it. I am not selling my outback because of the long history of Subi's safety and reliability. I use to go off road and I had a 2013 lifted jeep wrangler just for that. Wishing you guys all the best in your future travels.
Appreciate the kindness and thank you for the comment!
First modification to do!!!! Pinion gear transmisión. Jajaja This video just opened my eyes,... I was a tacoma driver. With 33 inches tires, I'm my research of a capable car , saw this outback but thanks for you guys. Opening my eyes. This car never will do same , as tacoma trd off road 2018. In the market are just 2 cars. Capables to do everything as jeep does. . Bronco. Is the one.
I was surprised by you not using X-Mode off road. When it is enabled it also is an electronic low range by approximately 20%. Subaru would never tell me what the actual 1st gear ratio was so it was easy to figure out. On a flat level surface put it in 1st gear and drive at a steady 10 mph and record the RPM’s. Now put it in X-Mode and repeat. At the same exact speed your RPM’s will be approximately 20% higher. See it does make a difference doesn’t it? By using X-Mode it will enable you to pull your trailer easier off road. Subaru says you can up a 40% grade with the Wilderness, I think it’s true when using X-Mode, probably not without. I’m on my 3rd Subaru with X-Mode and I am a believer. Your comments about the infotainment are spot on. Try and change the controls when it’s below zero, not happening. I’ve learned to park it for the night with everything adjusted for the morning. Makes it a little easier to live with. Would I sell it? Nah, it’s too good of a car.
That’s really good info on x mode, I’ll have to do that test and see for myself. I appreciate the info and the comment!
It all started with my first X-Mode Outback in 2015. Subaru couldn’t figure out why I wanted to know. Just try and get out of them the first gear ratio in the normal mode. Don’t know what the big deal is. An English UA-cam video got me to looking for a answer back in the day. Glad you are keeping the Subaru for now.
Thank you!
Thought it was gone! The mods will definitely help, but as you know....it's not a Jeep.
Still surprised a Jeep guy went Subie...that rarely happens. Usually the other way around.
Either way, I'm a fan! Keep going 🤘🤘🤘
Appreciate it!!
I don’t think anybody is expecting this vehicle to match a Wrangler Sport or any vehicle with 4Lo etc.
But, I don’t think you can get that frustrated with a vehicle for telling you to fill up wiper fluid, especially after it seems like you continued to no fill the wiper fluid 🤷🏻♀️
I’ve had my White OBW for nearly a month now and love its characteristics on road. Can’t wait to get her out camping though.
Love the vids, can’t wait for the locker install!
Definitely not expecting, just wishful thinking more than anything. 😂😂 I feel like a light is enough, don’t text us over with wiper fluid, we’ll get there! Thank you!
@@roamingwithjosh I have a Forester Wilderness and I will say it goes through windshield wiper fluid unlike any vehicle I’ve owned before. Must be some intense streams it’s pumping out. 😂 I feel your pain on the alerts 😂😂
i just got my 2023 OBW and start to watch all your content..
Right on!
Glad to hear the Subaru community was a pro to the Outback! It seems you guys have a lot of knowledge off-roading and would love if you documented the changes you make. I think it'd be a great service to a lot of people who have Subarus or are getting the Wilderness variations. I feel like the community will start to get involved more in off-roading the release of these wilderness variations and would like to learn how to make them more capable. Thanks for going thru the process and helping the community out!
No worries at all! I plan on documenting the lift process as well as issues and good things to talk about for other to learn from. Thanks for the input!
Good review. I'm thinking of the wilderness for faster off-road driving. Not rock crawling. I want to swap the suspension and rear diff, and add more armor plating underneath. Too bad Subaru didn't use the same turbo engine in the Forester. What you're talking about with the CVT could be helped with an upgraded rear diff too. Also, maybe by adding some strut braces, you could avoid flex and glass breaking?
That motor in the forester would have been a great combo. I was thinking about the diff upgrade, just not sure I want to go down that rabbit hole.
Thanks for the review. I'd add a comment for X-Mode users if I could, however: it's not some game-changer for rock crawling. As you said, this car isn't a rock crawler. However, in a snowy environment up/down hills or corners? Amazing. I drive a M/T 2013 forester, and my fiancee's 2017 (cvt) with X-mode, side by side in the snow? It's no contest: X-mode and CVT for sure. It's more predictable and stable, thus safer. X mode does a great job mitigating brake pressure on the tires to keep the car going where it should. Drive in the snow (slow: not past 8 mph with old systems or 25 with new) with it and you'll feel it :)
Appreciate the input! I’ll give it a go.
Just picked up mine from having a Tacoma, didnt want to get rid of it long story. I love my outback thus far. There are torque converters aftermarket that can be installed to vastly improve low end torque. I knew about the windshield issues so I actually purchased a maintenance plan that covers that and other issues. Also because of what a mechanic did to my Tacoma. A little pricey but gives me peace of mind!
I was thinking about a torque converter to help with the low end, just haven’t made up my mind yet. Congrats on the OBW!
Now that you’ve had an outback for a while, would you rather keep it or go back to a Tacoma?
Thanks for the awesome review. I’m actually considering this vehicle. I only need to get through sand and gravel that’s 3 - 6” deep
Awesome!
I'm at 30,000km…it's a one and done car for me. I like it, but not enough to hold it.
Gas milage is great?? Hmmm, maybe compared to a jeep lol. I think many of these points are skewed from your Jeep experiences.
Bang on with infotainment system, and sensors.
My points are definitely skewed coming from jeeps. SO far, this car has done what I've needed it to do, I can't say I'll ever own another one. Thanks for the comment!
I'm buy one this year wouldn't go over broad of changing too much. The first thing I do would spacers for the shocks then lockers.
Awesome!
It's funny...I got rid of my Gladiator for this. I haven't done the things you both have done with the trails and traveling. Always wanted to. The Gladiator I loved, but, it was so uncomfortable on my back that I couldn't do more than an hour in it without almost crying. The outback, I've sat in for almost a solid 8 hrs and it's night and day. I do miss my Gladiator it was fun
I miss my gladiator too, but the comfort and gas mileage make me miss it less. Thanks for the comment!
The XMode doesn't shut off in the Outback wilderness after 25 mph of spin however the non wilderness version or the Forrester Wilderness shuts off. And their windshield doesn't in fact blow.
Appreciate the info!
My 22 Wilderness kept me from getting hurt in an accident a couple of weeks ago when someone turned left in front of me…car slammed on the breaks for me before I could & the airbags held me in my seat snugly. That’s a huge plus for me…planning on getting another one.
The one thing I will say about the Subaru is that their crash test ratings are some of the best and that gives me comfort. Glad to hear you're ok!
My 2 biggest draw backs for this car are the lane assist and heat/air. The lane centering with cruise control is terrifying which is actually good if you are trying to stay awake. It almost killed me twice!!! I never use it anymore at all. Also, I live in a hot southern climate and I have to keep the air on even if I don't need it because otherwise it will blow HOT air on me even when I have the air off. I like the car, but I wish these things were fixed.
We agree! That lane keep assist is terrible, I’ve only used it a single time just to see how it works and there’s no way I would trust it.
A friend told me they had it on in the snow and it spun them into the ditch.
Hey guys great video. With that said no Subaru was ever designed to go where a Jeep can go. Even the wilderness edition is basically lite off road. I do agree on the infotainment and the constant beeping however I took the car to the dealership and they updated the system with a new software and it seems to be working better so you can try that to see. As far as the windshield I’ve had mine for 3 years and never had a scratch or anything so I’m not sure what happened to your outback. I gave my outback nine out of ten because it is more than capable and the turbo engine is a plus. X mode have gotten me out of many sticky situations as well. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the input and we definitely agree with you position on its capability. I often compare the Outback to a jeep because that’s all I’m used to and really all I have to go off of. My intention isn’t to make it out to be what it was never intended to be. We love the Outback and regardless of the things it can’t do, it can do just about everything we need it to. Thanks again for the input!
@@roamingwithjosh Wow! Thank you for your reply. I understand completely. I do not think this vehicle is for everyone but if your mission is to go a bit further off the beaten path than you cannot go wrong with the wilderness. Your wife mentioned the constant beeping and the pop up alerts and I’ve had the same problem. It has gotten better with the software update but I hope Subaru listen and take care of those permanently. You guys are great so keeping doing what you doing. God bless!
Lol you guys are great!! Love all the honesty from her and you trying to convince. 👍🏻👍🏻 great video. Cant wait to see the mods
Lolol thank you!
also, you guys seem to do heavy off roading, with big rocky roads, subaru's are known for snow, mud and gravel not boulders. If you have a off road 4x4 use it for the rocky roads, and for snow and ice and mud, use the subi. Simple answer
Thanks!
Hi from Montreal Canada!
I really appreciate your guys documenting all these videos, showing and explaining how what and where the wilderness can go/do.
As for your suspsensio issue, may I suggest you look up ironman 4x4. I installed it on my 2021 crosstrek, and aside from the real 2" lift, it does ride stiffer, handles better, but most important for off-road, much longer downtravel and better flex. It really is a world of difference
For your case, they even have the spec c coils for extra heavy loads
Hope it helps
That helps a lot. I was looking at Ironman as well as Flatout, just trying to make up my mind on it. Thanks for the info!
@@roamingwithjosh
No problem, you're welcome, feel free to ask any questions you might have on it
@@roamingwithjosh I'm getting the Flatout GR Plus installed next week, I'll let you know how it goes!
Our order wont get here until late April. Coming from a Civic hatchback i think our pros and cons may be opposite. Down the line we hope to get a jeep to play on the rocks but for now its just about getting to the places we want to go. We love watching your videos and can wait to see what you do to make the wilderness even more capable.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the comment and congrats on the OBW!
Coming from an overpriced Honda Fit tin can with huge problems since I bought it (LONG STORY) the Wilderness has been amazing. What I didn't know was that I was paying an extra 10,000 for the engine. I should have done more research, but we came in looking for a CrossTrek and realized it wasn't for us and fell in love with the Outback. They only had the Wilderness and the Touring with the same engine for another couple of thousand dollars. They gave us an amazing trade in for the Fit and we went home with it. Hubby drives 120 miles a day so this is NOT the car if you need gas mileage. They improved the touch screen, but there should be more knobs instead of going through menus. I agree, this thing has a mind of its own with safety. It will think something is in the way and move you over when nothing is there. The lane centering feature (not the lane departure) makes you feel like a cop is going to stop you for driving drunk. I'm just glad you can pick and choose your safety features in some cases. My only regret is not realizing I was paying so much for an engine that I will never need with just city/rural driving.
Thank you for the comment as well as the personal experience. Your comment may help someone in the future and that’s what this is all about.
@@roamingwithjosh This beast will pass two semi trucks with ease. Once that engine kicks in, it doesn't take much. Disclaimer: It was safe to do so as the truck lane has plenty of length to make the pass. Getting on/off freeways and around traffic is wonderful. I was backing up and the sensors went off as a car came by. The side sensors really help with blind spots and when a semi truck slowed down to turn, the Wilderness slowed down almost to a stop with ease without me needing to brake. The part that is hilarious is that since the 2023 is blue-tooth enabled, it will pick up hubby's phone from inside the house and play his songs or signal a call has been made if the the Wilderness has been turned on. If we lived closer to places you could really use the Wilderness like Utah, Arizona, Idaho, I would love to try it out.
Great review! Two points: x-mode actually does make a pretty big difference when crossed up or lifting a wheel. Yes really only at low speeds but I'm definitely glad to have it when off-road.
Secondly, the washer fluid washing is ridiculous but the trick is to go ahead and use up the rest of it - then it won't constantly warn you over and over.
Appreciate the input!
Have you used the x mode in any mud?
I always forget that I have x mode haha
@@OceanVibartions I have! Works great but tires are key.
You have to burn premium fuel and maybe gets 22 mpg , what’s your average mileage with different tires?
19.8
I think you are trying to compare this vehicle to a Jeep. I also have a Subaru Outback Wilderness and a Jeep JKU with a custom suspension including long-arms. I tow my Jeep to places I am using it's capability like when I took my family to Colorado. I tow it with my husband's F350 because the Jeep is not comfortable and too small on long roadtrips. We are a family of 4 with 2 dogs. My Subaru is very nice and holds us all comfortably with luggage rack. A much better daily driver that can handle some weekend fun or a cross country mostly road trip; just fine. Also, the vehicle is great during seriously adverse weather; my expertise is floods and thick mud. But, If your trip is for wheeling or moderate to hard trails...this is not the vehicle to take. Take the gladiator. I paddle board often; drive down sketchy dirt roads to get to the river, take the paddle board down easy and the Subaru gets seriously dirty on in the interior and wipes clean; no problem. I had a few problems with the infotainment, but only like 2 or 3; so y'all said "half the time" and I would suspect something is wrong with yours in particular. The windshield statement I totally agree. Get it together Subaru and those windshields! Oy. It sounds to me like y'all have a great setup with a Subaru and a Jeep! Spend the mod money on the Jeep. The Sube is fine mostly stock. One last thing, you can destroy your suspension in a Jeep when GOING TOO FAST over speed bumps. ok. Sorry this is so long. Thank you if you read this far down. :)
😂😂 we always read the entire thing so don’t worry! Thanks for the input and what you’re saying is more than accurate. We love our jeep, but finding out just how far this vehicle can go has become part of why we got it. A lot of people ouch their vehicles and I’m wondering what the limit will be with the OBW. Thanks for the input!
I've had my Crosstrek for 4 years now and never had a broken windshield, guess I'm lucky. A roof top tent would probably allow you to get to a few more places. I have a Outback wilderness on the way and my biggest concern is that big touch screen. Kinda makes me wanna back out. Oh and also, the 4 prong trailer plug in. All my trailers are 7 way. I'll find out tomorrow if the dealership will install a 7 way instead. I'm afraid they will say sorry, it's not Subaru parts. I thank you for bringing that to my attention in a previous video.
No worries! I don’t think they will, I’m going to have to instal my own. Appreciate the comment and the input on your crosstrek.
What color should I get ?
Whatever color you like
This content has been really helpful. I currently have a Ford Maverick Tremor on order, but still no build date. Not sure if I will ever get it. The Outback Wilderness, which on paper won't be quite as capable as the Maverick, is one of my backup options. The other option I am looking at is getting a slightly used 4Runner for about the same price (right around ~$40k). I'm going back and forth on how much capability I'll be giving up with the Subaru vs the 4Runner.
Taylor, the biggest question I asked myself was "How many trails will I lose out on." The answer to that is very few, but there will be some you just cannot do. Also, the practical side of the vehicles is gas mileage, which I hate to even bring up because it makes me sound old. Practically speaking, the OBW makes more sense, but if you go 4runner I will completely understand why and won't blame you a bit.
I was going to mention adding the rear locker. Then you brought it up. That will help immensely.
Thanks for the input!
Apologies if this has been answered or is posted somewhere I am not looking; what is the brand and size of the wheels and tires you have in the video? Great content!
nativenomads.us has all the info for the entire build with links to the specific products.
I bought one because it wins on paper against every compact SUV, and is much more affordable than it's only real competition in the wagon market, the Audi Allroad. But I'm only on my 2nd tank of gas and I already hate the thing. I've never said that about a vehicle before. I could go on, but the one thing that ruins this car is the transmission. It's utterly diabolical and cripples what would otherwise be a good engine.
I would tend to agree with the transmission issue.
thanks for the honesty. I really want to try this car and it could be a car i enjoy. It sounds like your family is much more extreme that I am at this point in my life. I owned Jeeps and i can never have a Jeep again. Comfort was never good in a Jeep. They look awesome but not my thing any more.
I'm right there with you. Honestly, after over a year of ownership, this car is one of the most well rounded vehicles on the market. That's not to say it's without flaws, but overall it fits the bill for 95% of the people who want to do some decent exploring, maintain good gas mileage and , ride in comfort. Thanks for the comment!
The outback is going to take you to 85% of where you wanna go. I’ve got a 3.6r and I’ve pushed it hard. The outback is a soft roader. Great mpg, easy to park, it just works. In the middle of nowhere, it just works. Also for all the auto tailgate people, the hatch open draws battery. If you leave it open for long it’ll kill it. I stick a carabiner to trick it.
We agree and appreciate the input!
"Why would you sell it?" 🦗🦗🦗 Now I'm glad I am obsessed with buying one now.
I've been known to make bad decisions.
I’m so glad that you talked about bottoming out over speed bumps yes they do and I even mentioned it to the manufacture I Cant belive it bottoms out on a speedbump oh my gosh you validated me ! Thanks
Now my wife will believe me!! Thank you!
Yeah I was happy you mentioned that too! I have speed bumps in my apartment complex and I remember the first few times I went over them, and I was like “oh geeze what the heck,” cuz it felt like it like slammed or something when the rear end went over
Preach!
That's why I like my 99 Lexus LX470 and 2015 Tundra SR5 - basic / all manual controls / no beeping or nuclear meltdown warnings HAHA - However, it does not mean Toyotas don't have their nuances too. I respect the Subaru community and there are more and more aftermarket products being made for them. Ironman finally has a full suspension lift kit (the real deal, not spacers). These indeed are exciting times.
We agree! Thanks for the comment!
The computer limiting the power to the wheels when it gets difficult is the most annoying thing and can get you in big trouble - does not help build confidence in the vehicle. In deep snow, even though you can disable traction control it still applies brakes and limits progression and burn out brakes - not good. Cracked the windshield too, car is not stiff enough. Infotainment sucks, super slow.
I agree with everything you said. Too bad most people will overlook these things which will keep subaru producing the same vehicles with similar issues.
Deep snow and deep mud x mode does not turn off. Regular x mode turns off over 25mph. Try it on your next trip 🤙🏼
I always use deep snow and deep mud x mode because of that reason.
That’s super helpful. Thank you!
The windshield fluid alert happens with my 2015 Forester. Annoying as hell.
Preach!
@@roamingwithjosh I'll put water in it to shut it up until I can get washer fluid.
Maybe you guys should test drive the forester wilderness, its kinda more like the jeep due to its shorter wheel base.
I appreciate the input!
I canceled my order. Still unsure with info screen glitches, windshield, and mpg issues
These things may be fixed in the new model, but who knows. I will do my best to continue to provide info as I get it. Thanks for the comment!
I was going to suggest torq locker, and you you also mentioned it on the video. It should improve its traction issues a lot.
I’m hoping so. Thanks for the input!
I will be getting my OBW this week trading in my MB GLE 350 for it.
The real spare tire is what got me
Right on!
Torque locker, 2 inch lift and skid plates… game changer! Except for huge boulders.
Agreed! We shall see how it all goes.
Great video.... Did you ever consider a rooftop tent instead of the trailer? You have to remember that you have the best of both worlds with your OBW and the Gladiator. Both have there place....
We did think about putting the tent on top, but the roof rack has so many other uses for us and the tents on top of the OBW look silly in my personal opinion. Thanks for the comment!
Just sold my Honda Accord for a outback wilderness. So far it has been the best vehicle I have ever owned. Absolutely love all the features it has to offer, and I love it can go off roading.
right on, congrats!
I just got rid of my forester wilderness for many of the cons you listed. I really wanted to like that vehicle but it wasn’t cutting it while towing a dry 2400lb A frame pop up. 2 kids and 2 dogs made it extremely tight. I’m in a 18 Silverado. Looking at the 23 ascent. Just wish they did a wilderness edition, I’d be sold.
I totally understand. I’m sure the ascent version is coming at some point.
Thanks for taking the time to share the information.
I just crossed 12,000 miles on mine. I don't do any kind of extreme off-roading, but I do drive down dirt/mud roads and through some situations where I think the car performs well. Overall, the main problem with the car is honestly the stupid infotainment screen. Just like you said, sometimes it doesn't work right, long delays between button presses and things happening, sometimes the whole thing actually resets itself (as in literally shutting off and rebooting) WHILE I'm driving down the road, and finally the lack of physical buttons straight up sucks in cold weather. I always have to take my gloves off or fiddle with it way too much just to get the HVAC set right and I just don't like it. Car is great otherwise though.
I would have to agree with that. Infotainment screens look great, but just give me some buttons.
I’ve got a 2015 outback and the main reason I won’t let my step daughter have it as her daily driver because the safety shite is way way too intrusive and distracting for a new, young driver.
I agree with that entirely. Thanks for the comment!
I had a 2020 outback onyx and my windshield broke 4 times, I bought the wilderness last yr and like you said within a yr I had a cracked windshield out of nowhere. I ended up trading my outback for a rav4 hybrid.
May not have been a bad idea. The windshield fiasco is a nightmare. Thanks for the comment!
RAV4 is underrated. Mine is 20 years old and I’ve never had a single problem and have no intentions of getting rid of it until it dies
Really wanting to put a lift and skid plates on my 2019 3.6R OB. Can't wait to do some overlanding with it and getting out into the wilderness.
Right on!
I keep my OUTBACK WILDERNESS cuz it was great for traveling and perfect go thru the storms and I love OUTBACK WILDERNESS more fun and comfortable and exciting drive and Turbocharged is more fun.
Right on!
Thanks for your videos about the Wilderness. They are very helpful.
Question for you: If the suspension, tires and differential are an issue, and you would want to replace them, knowing what you know now, would you still have purchased the Wilderness over the Onyx XT? The Onyx XT comes standard with the power sunroof and built in navigation but not Wilderness. I guess you still would have the beefed up roof rack and the badging (and more rugged aesthetics).
Although I don't anticipate making changes from stock, I am trying to decide between the two of them. I am thinking my off road needs (which are probably much less than yours) probably will be satisfied with the Onyx and I can enjoy the included sunroof and the better mileage. Hard decision though. Initially I was really thinking of getting a Wrangler Unlimited like you guys sold in favor of the Wilderness, but I could not wrap my head around the cost and the thought that I would be sacrificing on road manners and better gas mileage for off road capabilities that I might use one day a month. I thought the Wilderness was the solution, and I love how it looks and performs, but now I am wondering if the Onyx XT might be a better choice for us. It still has 8.7 inches of ground clearance, the same x-mode functionality, same interior (just with different accent stitching), the same full-size spare, but I would also get the sunroof I planned to add to the Wilderness as standard.
All your points are accurate and it’s a matter of budget and preference. I would always opt for more ground clearance, personally. A little can go a long way in a lot of situations in regards ground clearance. I also like the way the wilderness looks over the Onyx, but again, that’s a preference.
Whatever works for your family and needs is what’s best. It’s hard for me to say one way or the other. What I can say is the wilderness has been a fantastic car in just about every situation I’ve put it in.
Check for an update on the infotainment. They’ve pushed out a couple recently. Unfortunately you can’t do the updates over the air. Need to download to a usb. I’ve done all the updates and while it’s better I’m still having issues, mostly when apple CarPlay is connected. System’s been out for over two years and they still can’t get it sorted. I agree with you it’s more form over function with this system.
I guess the dealer has a new update that supposedly fixes a lot of these issues as well as gives you control over all the beeping. I’m going to see if that helps and I’ll report back!
I just wish they'd sell a base model without the patronizing "eye sight" tech that helps you drive your car, and the start stop BS. Yes you can turn it off, but why should you have to pay for something you don't want to use. All this tech that is expensive to fix starts to fail about the time your warranty runs out.
I agree totally. I’ve never driven with the lane departure warning on a single time.
@@roamingwithjosh all the potholes and dead skunks in the road where I live, it would be a constant tug of war with your car. The first time a kid runs out in the road chasing a ball, and the car doesn't let the driver swerve to miss them, there is going to be a major lawsuit and Subaru is going to decide maybe this wasn't such a great idea.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing! Definitely on my bucket list to do overlanding.
Right on! Thanks for watching!
HI- I like the look of the Subaru, But having all the basic functions going through the info screen is such a bad idea. its distracting and the cost of replacing it when it fails, and it will , will be a ton of cash.
I totally agree!
I really like this car but im am uber surprised that it sends text messages over windsheild wiper fluid that is ridiculous honestly and ive noticed that the advanced stability control on the standard outback is extremely invasive and can be unsettling on curvey uneven roads.
Agreed!
Thanks for the info, I’ve been drooling over the wilderness, test drove it a few days ago and just …yeah.. I have had jeeps and full-size 2500 diesel 4x4 for ever same truck since 04 now it’s time for something that drives easier. Your real world reviews help a lot, have you an problems with water leaking from the doors or elsewhere? I’ve read up that it’s a problem
I haven't had any issues with water leaking from the doors, haven't heard of that issue yet!
I'm thinking of getting the 2022 or 2023 version of this vehicle and I'm trying to compare it against the Toyota RAV4 Trail or TRD Edition most of it will be used for daily driving and to haul my growing family around but I would like to have some small off-road capability and towing capability to tow a pop-up trailer or go camping with I'm not going to be doing heavy off-roading especially with a trailer
I've never owned a Jeep I've always had small cars so this would be like an upgrade for me into that sort of lifestyle, although, with the people in the video coming from Jeeps they're already immersed in that lifestyle.
It really depends on your use and what you intend to do. From what you're explaining, I think this vehicle would suit you well.
@@roamingwithjosh the idea of going camping a few times a year is what I'd like to start doing and I feel like I could do it with this type of vehicle. And the idea of towing a teardrop trailer for the wife and I while having a rooftop tent for the kids it's kind of exciting to be honest
Hey guys - curious whether you kept the Outback? - here in Australia I’ve owned nine Subarus but stopped after the intro of the CVT in 2013 - I’m now selling my 4WD due to high fuel and running costs - all my Subarus could go where my 4WD could go except for rock crawling/deep river crossings which I don’t do anyway - I leave that for the ‘extreme sports dude’ Americanised Aussie folk - so I will soon own my tenth Subaru which will be a pre-CVT pre-2008 Subaru Forester with conventional automatic transmission - it’s all about compromise - by the way Australian car user reviews rate Jeep at the bottom after Mercedes for worst reliability and refinement this included our GM/Ford Australian built that were awful hence the demise of the Australian car industry last decade.
Some of the Aussie guys have some awesome builds. We did keep it and we plan to keep it for a while. It’s a decent off road car and a really good on road car. For the price it’s a good machine, minus the CVT.
Glad to hear that you’re giving it another shot! Put the Ironman ATS Spec-C suspension on it and disconnect both of the sway bars when the going gets tough. The Ironman suspension has more travel, but you’ve got to disconnect the sway bars to let it work. You can completely delete the rear one, but you might want to leave the front one connected for street driving. I’m telling you, it makes a HUGE difference! You’ll love it! I want to discourage you from adding the torq locker though, because it is not going to help when the CVT is bogged down and cutting power. The only thing that can help in that situation is low range (lower gearing), but that does not exist. X-mode does try to keep the CVT in its lowest ratio for as long as possible, but it is really designed to control the open diffs. You Jeep people will know it as a “brake locking differential”. Also, when it comes to sway bars, I understand your wife’s hesitation, but disconnect them one at a time and go for a test drive after each change. Also, even the stock suspension is significantly limited by the sway bars. One last thing, I think that you hit on this a little, but there is something impressive about getting a Subaru to the end of a difficult trail and parking it beside a Rubicon on 37s. It takes a good spotter and driver.
I really appreciate all the info, especially since you have had tons of experience. I think I’m going to take all the advice you’ve given and apply it towards the Wilderness and see what comes of it. Thanks again!
Thanks for the video very informative I am thinking of getting the outback wilderness also the 2024 model, my question is I have seen a few videos with people talking about the limitations of the off roading and the problems with the cvt, and like the others you never mention using the manual mode just curious why not use it or have you tried it since this video came out.
We have tried it and it definitely makes a small difference. The issue is, regardless of the manual mode or standard automatic driving mode, the car limits wheel spin to the wheels it feels need it. Even if you're in manual mode the computer takes over and sends power where it believes it should go rendering the manual concept useless for the reason you're trying to use it. It really comes down to knowing the cars limitations and accepting them for what they are vs. trying to get places this vehicle isn't intended to go. Thanks for the comment!
Glad you decided to keep it and do the upgrades instead. I'm curious to see how the locking diff will help you out. I'll be getting a wilderness at the end of April. It'll be my 5th Outback (96, 99, 05 XT, 20 XT Onyx). I'm not where NEAR as advanced as you so it'll be fine from the factory from me probably. Glad I found you I'm really curious to see what other content you have. Thanks, algorithm! (I agree with your wife about the spacers though heh)
😂😂 yea she doesn’t love it! Appreciate the comment and I’ll keep pushing until it’s at it limit. Thanks again!
@@roamingwithjosh Stay safe though, test pilot haha ;-)
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Hey there! Just saw your video. Thank you sharing your experience so far. I have a 2015 OB 3.6 and thinking of putting on the torque locker that you mentioned towards the end of your video. Let me know when you’re your doing that part cuz it does have limited capabilities going steeper hills. Talk to you more next time.
Will do!
But, when you bought it, you said you were using the Jeep for rock crawling, and the Subaru for around town and overlanding.
Then you went rock crawling with it!
LOLOL yea, I tend to do that from time to time. Hopefully it helps other people make smarter decisions.
I'm glad your keeping it, to me it sounded like your biggest complaint is the CVT when off road, I think you'll find if you manually shift (normally 1st gear) you can stop all the complaints about losing low end torque and just go right up without the pauses. Just a thought for you to test out. Loved your vid though !
We appreciate it and will definitely give that a shot!
@@roamingwithjosh I searched the web and found this video on how the paddle shifters worked and actually learned more about them then I already knew :) ua-cam.com/video/kMJkPYBePqc/v-deo.html
I feel this car is great for bad weather and doing maintained trails only and if you are not that type of a traveler then you need something more capable. I also feel your issues aren't limited to Subaru. There are a few companies making vehicle that they claim are geared to off-roading/overlanding but their 4wd drive systems and transmissions have the same limitations as Subaru. Now there is a big portion of people out there that a gravel road is "off-roading" and I think that is Subaru's interpretation as well, but you and I know that it not "off-roading". Great job with great info though.
I agree and that is for the input, Travis!
She's gorgeous
Good, honest review, albeit you jumped around a bit with the pros and cons - but that is what owning a car that is used for different things creates. I appreciate the honest thought process and the work-in progress approach. I hope you can make it work!
Appreciate the comment and the input!
I love this review so much! Thank you! I want the Outback Wilderness. To me, practicality and a huge upgrade from a Corolla. LOL I think it'll be a great everyday driver and maybe that once or twice a year camping trip. I do hope Subaru will fix the annoying alert system you two get and the infotainment. I'm waiting to see if there will be a 2023.
It will definitely be an upgrade for you and based on the info you shared I think you will be pleasantly surprised with it!
@@roamingwithjosh Definitely would be an upgrade. I've taken my Corolla on roads it should never be on plenty of times, week long camping trip, and long road trips. I've made it work, but it is time to be comfortable. Thank you again for the review. It's so hard to find a long term impression review on this particular vehicle.
No worries. Thanks for watching!
Love this! I own a 2020 subaru outback with 245 toyo & 2inch LP lift. I am curious to see how your torque locker turns out! I am thinking about getting one done as well.
Right on! Thanks for the comment!
I've heard they are always beeping and chirping / sounding alerts. My only issue with Subaru is they seem to do too many re freshes/body style changes. Compare that with Toyota who makes very small changes and keeps the same body style for 5-10 years. They seem to never arrive at how they want the overall design to be, so it's hard to know which year to buy. You always know a 4Runner, Jeep Wrangler and while I always know an Outback and especially the Wilderness model, I wish they would stop making so many major year to year changes. One grill had the wings next to the front emblem, then they got rid of it, they offered the 3.6 and got rid of it, they offered the XT turbo, then got rid of it, and brought it back again. I've owned 2 Outbacks - 2001 3.6 VDC and a 2005 XT, but have moved on Toyotas for my needs.
We agree with all the changes. I would say that Toyota and jeep stick with it for too long and Subaru makes too many, we need a nice middle ground that can last, but doesn’t leave us in the ice ages. Thanks for the input!
Nice video with great info. I am getting my Wilderness in the next couple of weeks (hopefully) and start my off-roading (light) after that. Is the wheel and tire size of your car, different from OEM?
Right on, congrats! They are different than oem. We have 245/65/17 tires and the offset to run tires of that size must be different. You will have to get new wheels to run that size tires.