Actually, that was a really excellent video. I know a lot of the fundamental's intuitively, but this is the first time I've ever heard this stuff articulated in a way that the underlying details are open in a way that I can actually chew on. On a side note, 4 of the last 5 cars we have owned have been Legacy's, and we've never had a single issue with any of the CVT's in those cars. 1 of the 5 was an Impreza and we didn't have a lick of trouble with it either. Now my understanding from people who have owned them is that the forester is a different kettle of fish. I haven't heard good things specifically about the forester.
Here's my question? How long did you own each & how many miles on each before you unloaded them. I ordered my first Subaru a little over 2 years ago, no complaints thus far (Crosstrek Limited).
@danielfair4675 I buy only used from a dealer with around 14k miles and I trade them at 80k. After they hit 90k, their trade in really takes a hit. I never take more than a 4 year loan so by the time I'm ready to trade I've got between 6 to 8k of equity as a down-payment on the next vehicle. I do the same with my GMC trucks This method pretty much ensures I never have huge repair bills. Shit happens but it's been a solid strategy
@stanjuan1178 here's my thing, lol. I just keep things and buy more. I've only bought 5 vehicles in the last 25 years, BUT I still have 4 of them. 2 were new, and the other only had 10,000 miles on it at 6 yrs old. I bought my first car back in 1985 and have owned at least 2 at a time since 1987. Half of those years I've had 3. 🤷♂️
Great practical review Claus. I like the Wilderness colour scheme. We don't get them here in New Zealand unfortunately! I am about to buy a new Outback X which is similar. As for the bike comparison, The Ducati is built for the race track and the Suzuki for the street. Max low down torque always wins on the street for average driving / riding. My BMW R1200R has great low down torque and makes it super easy to ride.
This is the most in depth and on point review of the wilderness cars I’ve seen on UA-cam. There are videos doing off road tests. But I feel like I’ve learned more about these car watching this video than watching those real world off-road tests.
I love your down to earth style. It is like me listening to a friend in his garage telling me the experience of owning Subaru. I had an old 2011 outback and it lacked power if I packed it up with five people. Good to see the turbo should solve that problem.
Nicely done video. Forester Wilderness owner here. The things that made me choose Forester over Crosstrek was the crawl camera in the grill to avoid rocks (but 9 of 10 times I use it for parking!) and the full sized spare tire. You are not wrong at all about it feeling sluggish (doubly so since I came from an 06 Forester XT with a turbo). However the "1st gear” in "manual mode" is noticably lower than first was in my XT meaning I can now putt my way up the same steep climbs and remain in the powerband at 5kph. With the XT, I had to keep it at 17kph. The ride is much smoother now! 😂
Hi, @18:00 mark, just one note: the cut back corners make off roading approaches better. Anyone who's an avid/skilled off roader knows that taking humps at an angle reduces the *effective* approach angle. Thus, tucking up the bumper corners helps us off-roaders by allowing us to have a higher *effective* approach angle. It's literally something we all try to do when we mod Subies for real off-road use. Also, note the bumper cover is now multi-piece on the Crosstrek Wilderness, to accommodate replacing pieces instead of the whole thing, for the unfortunate off-road incidents when the cover gets bashed into something.
I have a 2018 Crosstrek Touring. I LOVE that thing. The ONLY thing I do not like about is that the gauges are terrible. The 11 inch touchscreen is way to big and gets in the way. That being said the 2024 Crosstrek has 4.11 gears. Quite a good feature.
Nice video Claus, I feel like you've got the key items sorted on these vehicles. Now I've gotta test drive one :) Liked your little engineering aside on torque and the motorcycle example. Peace and love from Hamilton, ON.
Algorithm. Failed yaer 10 mathematics in 1978. I won't be troubling the algorithm, but hopefully contribute to the ongoing success of Herr Kellerman. Love you long time!
Claus' enthusiasm reminds me of Doc Brown from "Back to the Future." Throughout the entire video, I was expecting him to say, "I'm sending Subaru back to the future!"
Claus, make sure you get your CVT fluid changed every 30k miles. Don't listen to what any idiot says about "lifetime fluid". Seriously... if you want it to last...
Thank you for this video. I wanted a Crosstrek but now I would like to have the Outback. Thank you so much for this information it makes a difference in determining what kind of vehicle I would like to get.
Very nice vehicles. We bought my oldest son a lower trim outback (no turbo :( ). I have had many nice cars (BMW, Merc, Porshce, Cadi, etc.) and I have never been so impressed by the modern Subaru quality, luxury, ride, and safety at such a price point.
Great video. You failed to mention fuel economy on either vehicle. I have a '17 Impreza 5dr and had a '20 Ascent with the 2.4L turbo that guzzled gas like no other. The Ascent was rated at 20/26 comb. 22mpg. Best I would get is about 18mpg with near 50/50 split hwy/city. Outback is a bit smaller so slightly better fuel economy but I imagine similar issues.
Wow! Incredible review. Real, down to earth and valuable information for anyone, let alone someone who is seriously thinking of buying a Subaru for the first time, me! Thanks a lot!
Klaus I'm letting you know this and all of your viewers the way you fix graying plastic if you get a can of Rust-Oleum clear lacquer it turns the plastic to brand new and it lasts the only prep you need is to wipe off the dirt spray on a dry surface
U just need to take a heat gun to it... The UV light makes the oil in the plastic dry up and fades. Heat gun draws the oil back to the surface and turns it black again. U can use a torch as well but just gotta be very careful cause u can melt it
Since both your Subarus have the same tow rating, are you considering adding a receiver hitch to the Crosstrek? It would be nice to have a comparison video of both your vehicles in a real world towing situation.
@clauskellermanpov3004 true. I think towing capacity and realistically common sense should be taught a little more. Towing the same 2000 ib trailer. Depending the size will be so much less stable on the crosstrek than the outback bc of weight and size. :/
Great review. Very insightful, thankyou. I'd probably be the only one to buy it, but I still wish they would've made a CTW Wilderness 2.5l manual transmission option.
Thank you so much for explaining all that about torq and rpm. I’m in the market for a new car and have been so confused by it all. Your motorcycle story was helpful to put your explanation into perspective, I could visualize what you were talking about! I’ve been comparing the forester/outback wilderness to Hyundai Tucson hybrid. I’m mostly worried about passing cars on mt. passes, being able to gun it fast enough on an undesignated left turn when there’s lots of traffic, as well as speeding up fast enough on freeway on-ramps. But I also drive on a lot of forest service roads with bowling ball size rocks and deep potholes, but not really true off-roading. I wasn’t originally even thinking of the Outback, just the other two, but you really convinced me to add it to my comparison list! Thanks again for this super helpful review!
As a new owner of an Outback XT (turbo model) and having test-driven the Crosstrek 2.5l that's also in the Forester, I can tell you if you care the slightest about performance such as acceleration and passing speed, there's only 1 single reason to consider the base engine: price. If you can afford it, don't even think about the base engine because the turbo changes the XT into a completely different car. It's like comparing a 1980's car to a 2010 car. Off the line just the other day, I was able to keep an 2012 or so V6 Acura TL behind, which is definitely a huge win for the Outback in my opinion. The TL was actually trying to push too because he was on the right lane with a merge about 400m away but the torque of the Outback was enough to get the spring on him so he had to ultimately back off. Always fun to see people in sports sedans be so used to owning the block that they miss that little understated XT badge signifying the WRX engine in a raised family wagon. :) The ride quality and sound proofing of the Outback is also fantastic, making my wife and I finding excuses to go on weekend trips in it.
I've had three Subaru's before the CVT came out, I don't currently have a Outback. Last summer I talked to an Outback owner that went and got an older non CVT Outback after replacing two CVTs. Claus I hope you have much better luck. I now live in Europe and the Wilderness isn't planned on being sold here.
I like the my Crosstrek engine because it does not have a turbocharger. This translates to less maintenance/cost and more reliability. You did not mention the front camera on the Outback and not on the Crosstrek. My 2021 Crosstrek Outdoor has the front camera . Lol Like the cladding on the Outback much more than the Crosstrek. I chose the Crosstrek for leaving more space in my garage. Also like the towing capacity of the Crosstrek Wilderness (same as Outback) at 3500 pounds. Bottom line your video was excellent and well articulated. Thank you
I just love you! You seem soooo smart! But…my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness in the USA has an upgraded rearview mirror with homelink (garage door opener) and compass
I wouldn’t buy the Outback because it has a turbo. Less torque is actually better for driving on snow and ice. So, in my opinion, the Forester is the best of the 3. It also has more cargo room than the Crosstrek. But, I think the Crosstrek is the best looking out of the 3. Also, Mother’s Back to Black will keep the cladding looking new for many years.
Great review of the cars. Cant believe you bought 2. What really got me most in this video is incredible albedo of your face! I love my outback. Cvt makes me sad. Worst part of the car.
Yeah, I have a 2022 Forester Touring and the CVT works great in that application. A lot of hi-way miles and driving on a bit of wet turf to camp. If I were to do more serious off road, no way that I would buy a CVT or even an automatic of any kind. So much easier to replace a clutch plate than rebuild an automatic. And that hill decent mode is for, inexperienced drivers? A lot of dumb shit that jacks up cost that we don't need. I want the quirky Subaru of yesteryear back.
You forgot to mention that the outback has a very nice and useful storage shelf for the passenger where neither the Crosstrek nor the Forester has one. Also, if you’re under 5’10”, you could probably sleep comfortably in the outback with the rear seats lowered but probably not in the Crosstrek.
Entertaining video, thanks! So sad we in Europe don't longer get any cool Subaru 😢 I had to keep my SJ Forester Diesel running..., it's genius: deliver's same torque as the 2.4 turbo, at even little lower rpm! Just drinking 6 to 8,5l /100km(40 to 27mpg) beeing everything else then a 🐌
Thank you Claus, I have never understood Torque or RPMs so this was explained beautifully. I test drove the Forester Touring and love the roominess, visibility, easy touch screen, all but the poor heating of the seat was sure I was going to buy it, UNTIL, I drove the Outback Wilderness and the difference was shocking, loved the pep! I mainly drive in town and have two sheepdogs, so thinking Outback may be the car for me...just wish it had the same visibility. I'm a 60 yo woman and felt the Wilderness was a bit rugged looking, so maybe Outback Limited XT? I haven't bought either yet because I really don't like the huge screen, I was so concentrated on getting all the settings correct that I could barely focus on driving. Ugh! Anyway, much appreciate this video!
How will the turbo engine fair at 150k miles, confident with service intervals and reliability? Will you prefer an NA engine if you keep the car longer?
beautiful vehicles.....only thing I wouldn't like would be in several years when that black cladding starts becoming discolored from sun and rain......and the one on the hood.....well wax discoloration? having multiple vehicles with black trim and cladding it's a nightmare to keep black
Hate to break it to u but that’s not how xmode works lol it’s not a tq vectoring diff how u described it. It’s open diff front and rear. Xmode applies the brakes to shift power around, this means it’s robbing power or tq from the braked wheel literally lowering the amount of power the engine can produce. Had you had a vectoring diff like a baby bronco sport badlands or a midsized honda product you’d have that capability in a awd drivetrain
Hey Claus thanks for the NO BS Review, as for the black cladding there are two things you can do, get some "Mothers back to black" and polish that plastic up, also some say, but I have not tried this yet but you can take a heat gun to it and the black will come out basically erasing that greyish coloring and will bring it back to looking like new, but ya have to be careful that ya don't melt it, got to put just the right amount of heat into it. I'm sure there are some UA-cam videos on it, so be sure to check it out to get that plastic back to looking new. Also part of the reason I was looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee is that they have redundant buttons for the heater/seats etc...so if that infotainment center ever fails ya got a back up.
@@clauskellermanpov3004 Works pretty well on my Jeep Cherokee that has that same plastic I also sometimes use "Car Guys" Premium Plastic Restorer" which I got from I think Amazon, it also works really well. I have seen videos on the heat gun trick but have not really tired that yet. you'll have to reapply the mothers or the Car Guys stuff like every 3 months or so depending if ya park inside or out and how often you go to the car wash, however I usually just do it once a year.👍 P.s. Show Marty in the next video if you still have him!
ceramic coating works as well from what I've heard. I think you need to get the slightly more expensive stuff, not the cheaper spray bottle ones at Canadian Tire.
noo! don't do the heat gun thing, it will just make it worse. It will very temporarily make it black but then very soon it will get even greyer and worst of all it makes the plastic more brittle because it takes out the moisture and oils out of it
@@crimsonlightbinder well I would expect that ya polish it after as well to put the moisture etc back in. I have seen videos of the process but I personally just use the back to black stuff. However nothing we do will be a long term fix sadly. Here is one of the videos I watched: ua-cam.com/video/_sEBSxDY-jM/v-deo.htmlsi=-rnK1uekigvzTgUU
I'm actually trying to decide on one of these. I was going to go outback. But the electrical issues scare me. The battery drain issue on every model is pretty bad with batterys dead randomly dying
Nice choices Claus nicely explained. Angle of approach is measured slightly differently than you said,check out Wikipedia image.(Gives you angle of slope you can approach ). Have you shown your Dad 😱.
I know it's slightly different but my way is exactly the right way and tells you if you will hit your front end as you approach a slope. Every other number is just fake advertising.
Hi Claus - I'm in the uk and I got a Range Rover and an O2 mobile. Adverts, that is, I didn't buy anything... I hope this was the right video to check. Edit: Some time later - Oh Claus - now I'm getting recommendations on my UA-cam page for Subaru reviews! I never should have listened to you!
Meguiars products have never let me down. Although I use Mothers on all my stainless on autos or home appliance and fixtures. Can't use it on brass, it will ruin brass.
I'm a female long time subaru owner, first Forester now Outback. I learned more in your video about torque and approach angle than I ever have. Great video. I currently have a 2015 Outback and am thinking of getting either a Crosstrek or Outback, cannot decide. But your video helps!
Great video, I'm thinking of buying a Subaru, currently have a Land Rover so great for torque but terribly slow on a long journey so food for thought 👍
The crazy thing about the Crosstrek is you are getting the interior with all the bells and whistles of a top trim vehicle AND some exceptional offroad capabilities at what is essentially the entry price of a bare bones base model truck. Whereas once you start getting into the Outback Wilderness price range you actually start getting into some decent trucks or rock crawler price ranges. At that point you are trying to decide if you want to invest in comfort at the price of some rock crawling capabilities or the ability to climb rocks without the same comfort.
I really like the new Crosstrek wilderness. My lease isn't up until a year from now so I'm hoping they have a 2025 forester wilderness by then so I can compare.
@@danielfair4675 Leasing makes the most sense for me, if I'm always going to have a car payment I'd rather lease and have a lower payment then if I financed for like 7 years or whatever the max is they are doing now. Then I get to swap it out for something new every 3 years and have a car that's always under warranty too.
My first car was a 1975 Subaru. I paid $50 for it in 1984. No bullshit. It would do 60mph downhill, and where I grew up in Florida, there was only one hill.
That's funny! I had a 40hp VW for a while. Now I have a 30 HP riding lawn mower. I should have just kept the VW and swapped a mower deck underneath. LOL
So you bought a blue car and already as new a double one too. I bet that car must be bad because you have a spare one already ;) Isn't it like Toyota now if I have understood that right? I have 2001 X5 and as a Finnish car very basic equipments. Have done some updates on it, one of them was exactly about the same compass mirror with a carage door opener and a dimming, it was option when it was new. Have also done same kinda stuff for my other cars and then installed to my parents car too some options which was lacking of it. My oldest car is actually a 1986 Toyota, which is why I overally value Japanese reliability for high. They just are "the easy way" to drive often. Would not say that same of a new BMW, even I like of bit older ones on them the most.
Have you towed with crosstrek? I currently have a Crosstrek non-wilderness 1500 pound towing capacity and I tow a teardrop trailer. That’s 1500 pounds plus about 500 pounds of weight so I was looking at maybe purchasing the crosstrek wilderness but wondering how it tows any suggestions?
Subaru says it can do it because it has the larger engine and the transmission cooler (very important). It can do 3,500 according to Subaru so 2,000 should be easy. Make sure to put the 500 pounds of stuff NOT in the front of the trailer and increase your tongue weight though...
Have you ever gotten a chance to compare your two cars driving up some mountain highways at speed? I have an OBW but am considering the CTW. However, I don't want to switch if the CTW can't maintain the speed limit (or maybe a bit higher than that) while driving up steep mountain grades. I've gotten some answers from CTW owners that have helped but you're the perfect guy to ask since you have both cars. As for your CTW's shifter knob, I'm pretty sure all CTW's get the plain black one. I don't think it's because you got an early-built unit. Thanks for the video.
The crosstrek does not have the HP or torque of the outback. It will slow down on mountain hills or have to red really high. The outback can maintain speed in cruise control while towing my 2,000 lb trailer. Turbo too! No turbo on Crosstrek.
Actually, that was a really excellent video. I know a lot of the fundamental's intuitively, but this is the first time I've ever heard this stuff articulated in a way that the underlying details are open in a way that I can actually chew on.
On a side note, 4 of the last 5 cars we have owned have been Legacy's, and we've never had a single issue with any of the CVT's in those cars. 1 of the 5 was an Impreza and we didn't have a lick of trouble with it either. Now my understanding from people who have owned them is that the forester is a different kettle of fish. I haven't heard good things specifically about the forester.
thanks for watching
Here's my question?
How long did you own each & how many miles on each before you unloaded them.
I ordered my first Subaru a little over 2 years ago, no complaints thus far (Crosstrek Limited).
@danielfair4675 I buy only used from a dealer with around 14k miles and I trade them at 80k. After they hit 90k, their trade in really takes a hit. I never take more than a 4 year loan so by the time I'm ready to trade I've got between 6 to 8k of equity as a down-payment on the next vehicle. I do the same with my GMC trucks
This method pretty much ensures I never have huge repair bills. Shit happens but it's been a solid strategy
@stanjuan1178 here's my thing, lol.
I just keep things and buy more. I've only bought 5 vehicles in the last 25 years, BUT I still have 4 of them. 2 were new, and the other only had 10,000 miles on it at 6 yrs old.
I bought my first car back in 1985 and have owned at least 2 at a time since 1987. Half of those years I've had 3. 🤷♂️
Just bought a 2019 legacy. Love it so far.
I want the Outback engine in the Crosstrek 😂
Bingo!!!
Yes please…🎉🎉🎉
Great practical review Claus. I like the Wilderness colour scheme. We don't get them here in New Zealand unfortunately! I am about to buy a new Outback X which is similar. As for the bike comparison, The Ducati is built for the race track and the Suzuki for the street. Max low down torque always wins on the street for average driving / riding. My BMW R1200R has great low down torque and makes it super easy to ride.
You are the only man talking the engine power in the very beginning, I love it 🎉
please do more Subaru Wilderness videos. You bring a good perspective and you own 2 of them 👍
will do!
This is the most in depth and on point review of the wilderness cars I’ve seen on UA-cam. There are videos doing off road tests. But I feel like I’ve learned more about these car watching this video than watching those real world off-road tests.
Glad you liked it!
Have actually learnt more about cars in general
@@sambwete1647 That’s very true.
I love your down to earth style. It is like me listening to a friend in his garage telling me the experience of owning Subaru. I had an old 2011 outback and it lacked power if I packed it up with five people. Good to see the turbo should solve that problem.
Agreed
Turbo solves the sluggishness however when the warranty is over and Turbo goes out ..its expensive
wargaming is going to be very upset with you, when they see this. you spent their loot box money.
😂
Thank you @Claus! Very helpful to understand differences in engines and how torque impacts driving on and off-road. Cheers!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Nicely done video.
Forester Wilderness owner here. The things that made me choose Forester over Crosstrek was the crawl camera in the grill to avoid rocks (but 9 of 10 times I use it for parking!) and the full sized spare tire.
You are not wrong at all about it feeling sluggish (doubly so since I came from an 06 Forester XT with a turbo). However the "1st gear” in "manual mode" is noticably lower than first was in my XT meaning I can now putt my way up the same steep climbs and remain in the powerband at 5kph. With the XT, I had to keep it at 17kph. The ride is much smoother now! 😂
Hi, @18:00 mark, just one note: the cut back corners make off roading approaches better. Anyone who's an avid/skilled off roader knows that taking humps at an angle reduces the *effective* approach angle. Thus, tucking up the bumper corners helps us off-roaders by allowing us to have a higher *effective* approach angle.
It's literally something we all try to do when we mod Subies for real off-road use. Also, note the bumper cover is now multi-piece on the Crosstrek Wilderness, to accommodate replacing pieces instead of the whole thing, for the unfortunate off-road incidents when the cover gets bashed into something.
good points. thanks for sharing!
I think brands should give a max and min approach and departure angles, so people know exactly what they're getting.
@@rodrigogoytia925 you can find the approach and departure angles on Subaru's site.
You are by far the best at reviewing vehicles
Nice to see some Canadian car reviews. Very good real world info. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
I love your mind your a thinker like me. Keep up the great work
Great video bro I'm in Saskatchewan great explanation. Have a wonderful day .. I have 2016 outback limited..
Nice 👍
What I learned from this video is that Claus understands the pros and cons of various motorcycles. And his friend doesn't.
LOVE my 2024 Outback WILDERNESS, off road bad weather ready, Smooth ride, nice features!
Couldn't agree more!
On the fence on buying a 2022 wilderness outback. How reliable are there CVT transmission?
I Just got one yesterday. I just fond the water temperature is so high. Stay very close to the red zone. Is your outback temperature Hot. Thank you.
I have a 2018 Crosstrek Touring. I LOVE that thing. The ONLY thing I do not like about is that the gauges are terrible. The 11 inch touchscreen is way to big and gets in the way. That being said the 2024 Crosstrek has 4.11 gears. Quite a good feature.
Thanks for the excellent information. 🎉🙏🏻
Nice video Claus, I feel like you've got the key items sorted on these vehicles. Now I've gotta test drive one :)
Liked your little engineering aside on torque and the motorcycle example. Peace and love from Hamilton, ON.
This is my first time watching this channel and you are an absolute delight.
So informative. So funny. Brilliant. You're good.
Welcome aboard!
Algorithm. Failed yaer 10 mathematics in 1978. I won't be troubling the algorithm, but hopefully contribute to the ongoing success of Herr Kellerman. Love you long time!
Great job, thanks for sharing
I knew what torque was already, but your explanation of it was rlly good too!!
Thank you!
Thank you for this! It's extremely helpful how you've explained everything, and it's a refreshing approach to comparison/review videos
Glad you enjoyed it!
I wish they’d put the outback engine in the Crosstrek. That would be a beast
that is basically a Subaru WRX
Very well done Sir, Thanks from Montreal!
Very welcome!
Claus' enthusiasm reminds me of Doc Brown from "Back to the Future." Throughout the entire video, I was expecting him to say, "I'm sending Subaru back to the future!"
Claus, make sure you get your CVT fluid changed every 30k miles. Don't listen to what any idiot says about "lifetime fluid". Seriously... if you want it to last...
I think Subaru came off that lifetime bs already. But yeah in miles, I would not go over 60,000. If you drive it hard, as early as 40,000m.
Claus you were a pleasure to listen to. Thank you for both the technical information in a form I could understand and for your sense of humor.
Thank you for this video. I wanted a Crosstrek but now I would like to have the Outback. Thank you so much for this information it makes a difference in determining what kind of vehicle I would like to get.
Glad it was helpful!
hey claus love this side of you great video love the no bullshit review. keep coming with videos on this channel.
Very nice vehicles. We bought my oldest son a lower trim outback (no turbo :( ). I have had many nice cars (BMW, Merc, Porshce, Cadi, etc.) and I have never been so impressed by the modern Subaru quality, luxury, ride, and safety at such a price point.
Great video. You failed to mention fuel economy on either vehicle. I have a '17 Impreza 5dr and had a '20 Ascent with the 2.4L turbo that guzzled gas like no other. The Ascent was rated at 20/26 comb. 22mpg. Best I would get is about 18mpg with near 50/50 split hwy/city. Outback is a bit smaller so slightly better fuel economy but I imagine similar issues.
Wow! Incredible review. Real, down to earth and valuable information for anyone, let alone someone who is seriously thinking of buying a Subaru for the first time, me! Thanks a lot!
you are welcome!
Thanks for the review, especially the explanation of torque and approach angle. After 50 years, I had forgotten my physics.
Glad it helped!
Klaus I'm letting you know this and all of your viewers the way you fix graying plastic if you get a can of Rust-Oleum clear lacquer it turns the plastic to brand new and it lasts the only prep you need is to wipe off the dirt spray on a dry surface
U just need to take a heat gun to it... The UV light makes the oil in the plastic dry up and fades. Heat gun draws the oil back to the surface and turns it black again. U can use a torch as well but just gotta be very careful cause u can melt it
@@davidmoore8741 try my way on some old faded plastic you'll see how it is totally Magic didn't mean to rhyme that one but yeah
i will look at that
Since both your Subarus have the same tow rating, are you considering adding a receiver hitch to the Crosstrek? It would be nice to have a comparison video of both your vehicles in a real world towing situation.
I know they are “rated” the same but the crosstrek is lighter smaller and has less HP. It won’t tow as well.
@clauskellermanpov3004 true. I think towing capacity and realistically common sense should be taught a little more.
Towing the same 2000 ib trailer. Depending the size will be so much less stable on the crosstrek than the outback bc of weight and size. :/
Excellent video that describes the engine feel really well!
Glad you liked it!
Great review. Very insightful, thankyou. I'd probably be the only one to buy it, but I still wish they would've made a CTW Wilderness 2.5l manual transmission option.
You and me both!
Have fun and take care ❤
Thank you so much for explaining all that about torq and rpm. I’m in the market for a new car and have been so confused by it all. Your motorcycle story was helpful to put your explanation into perspective, I could visualize what you were talking about!
I’ve been comparing the forester/outback wilderness to Hyundai Tucson hybrid. I’m mostly worried about passing cars on mt. passes, being able to gun it fast enough on an undesignated left turn when there’s lots of traffic, as well as speeding up fast enough on freeway on-ramps. But I also drive on a lot of forest service roads with bowling ball size rocks and deep potholes, but not really true off-roading. I wasn’t originally even thinking of the Outback, just the other two, but you really convinced me to add it to my comparison list!
Thanks again for this super helpful review!
Glad to help
As a new owner of an Outback XT (turbo model) and having test-driven the Crosstrek 2.5l that's also in the Forester, I can tell you if you care the slightest about performance such as acceleration and passing speed, there's only 1 single reason to consider the base engine: price. If you can afford it, don't even think about the base engine because the turbo changes the XT into a completely different car. It's like comparing a 1980's car to a 2010 car. Off the line just the other day, I was able to keep an 2012 or so V6 Acura TL behind, which is definitely a huge win for the Outback in my opinion. The TL was actually trying to push too because he was on the right lane with a merge about 400m away but the torque of the Outback was enough to get the spring on him so he had to ultimately back off. Always fun to see people in sports sedans be so used to owning the block that they miss that little understated XT badge signifying the WRX engine in a raised family wagon. :) The ride quality and sound proofing of the Outback is also fantastic, making my wife and I finding excuses to go on weekend trips in it.
I've had three Subaru's before the CVT came out, I don't currently have a Outback. Last summer I talked to an Outback owner that went and got an older non CVT Outback after replacing two CVTs. Claus I hope you have much better luck. I now live in Europe and the Wilderness isn't planned on being sold here.
Love this video. Great explanations.
Glad it was helpful!
i like very much the cars and color !!
Great choice particularly the Crosstrek. My only caution as a former owner of multiple Subarus is change the oil every 5000 miles.
You should do that on every car lol.
yes. the crosstrek takes very very light oil. 0W18. may be smart to put in a slightly more viscous oil so it doesn't consume as much
What kind of viscous oil do you recommend?
I like the my Crosstrek engine because it does not have a turbocharger. This translates to less maintenance/cost and more reliability. You did not mention the front camera on the Outback and not on the Crosstrek. My 2021 Crosstrek Outdoor has the front camera . Lol
Like the cladding on the Outback much more than the Crosstrek.
I chose the Crosstrek for leaving more space in my garage. Also like the towing capacity of the Crosstrek Wilderness (same as Outback) at 3500 pounds.
Bottom line your video was excellent and well articulated.
Thank you
you are welcome
I just love you! You seem soooo smart! But…my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness in the USA has an upgraded rearview mirror with homelink (garage door opener) and compass
Thanks for sharing!
Great video, very well articulated and super informative! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I wouldn’t buy the Outback because it has a turbo. Less torque is actually better for driving on snow and ice. So, in my opinion, the Forester is the best of the 3. It also has more cargo room than the Crosstrek. But, I think the Crosstrek is the best looking out of the 3. Also, Mother’s Back to Black will keep the cladding looking new for many years.
Ive owned a diesel forester since 2011 aside from the environ Mental crap bolted to it it has been a great vehicle.
nice!
Great review of the cars. Cant believe you bought 2. What really got me most in this video is incredible albedo of your face!
I love my outback. Cvt makes me sad. Worst part of the car.
Yeah, I have a 2022 Forester Touring and the CVT works great in that application. A lot of hi-way miles and driving on a bit of wet turf to camp. If I were to do more serious off road, no way that I would buy a CVT or even an automatic of any kind. So much easier to replace a clutch plate than rebuild an automatic. And that hill decent mode is for, inexperienced drivers? A lot of dumb shit that jacks up cost that we don't need. I want the quirky Subaru of yesteryear back.
@@ltwig476 I’m looking at new Forester or Outback by 2025
Turbo is not a necessary thing to have it’s expensive to fix. It’s like having two engines.
I like my Forester better than my Outback. The space inside the Forester is more useful for me.
Interior space is the tie-breaker for me. Do you mean the space is more useful due to the height?
Great video and explanation
My favorite part was the Ducati Vrooom Vrooom Vrooom! Thanks Claus.
vroom vroom!
Right on! Lmao
You forgot to mention that the outback has a very nice and useful storage shelf for the passenger where neither the Crosstrek nor the Forester has one. Also, if you’re under 5’10”, you could probably sleep comfortably in the outback with the rear seats lowered but probably not in the Crosstrek.
"Why have one when you can have two!?" typical 703II driver.
Great video
Informative and funny
You love Subbies! 👍 Awesome video! 👍
Main Wilderness advantages over regular models?
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Brother I love this video you should be teaching I can watch this 50 times and not get sick of it
My Outback Rocks!❤
Well you can afford it when you are the drummer for Metallica.
Entertaining video, thanks! So sad we in Europe don't longer get any cool Subaru 😢
I had to keep my SJ Forester Diesel running..., it's genius: deliver's same torque as the 2.4 turbo, at even little lower rpm! Just drinking 6 to 8,5l /100km(40 to 27mpg) beeing everything else then a 🐌
In a flashback from the 80s, I hear the Japanese accented English saying, " ohhhh, he bought a Subaru!"
Thank you Claus, I have never understood Torque or RPMs so this was explained beautifully. I test drove the Forester Touring and love the roominess, visibility, easy touch screen, all but the poor heating of the seat was sure I was going to buy it, UNTIL, I drove the Outback Wilderness and the difference was shocking, loved the pep! I mainly drive in town and have two sheepdogs, so thinking Outback may be the car for me...just wish it had the same visibility. I'm a 60 yo woman and felt the Wilderness was a bit rugged looking, so maybe Outback Limited XT? I haven't bought either yet because I really don't like the huge screen, I was so concentrated on getting all the settings correct that I could barely focus on driving. Ugh! Anyway, much appreciate this video!
make sure it has the 260 HP engine not the 182 HP engine!
How will the turbo engine fair at 150k miles, confident with service intervals and reliability? Will you prefer an NA engine if you keep the car longer?
beautiful vehicles.....only thing I wouldn't like would be in several years when that black cladding starts becoming discolored from sun and rain......and the one on the hood.....well wax discoloration? having multiple vehicles with black trim and cladding it's a nightmare to keep black
I am dissappointed. This was like watching one of QB:s episodes. I thought there would be moore engine talk 😐
Q: Which is the best?
A: None of them.
I actually chose Outback for wider cargo so I can sleep in the car with my partner.
But wait, I think I saw you somewhere on youtube!
Have a 2017 crosstrek, 2” lift, skid plate, Auxbeam off road lights , 235/55/17 all terrains, 30 mpg, love it
Nice!
Hate to break it to u but that’s not how xmode works lol it’s not a tq vectoring diff how u described it. It’s open diff front and rear. Xmode applies the brakes to shift power around, this means it’s robbing power or tq from the braked wheel literally lowering the amount of power the engine can produce. Had you had a vectoring diff like a baby bronco sport badlands or a midsized honda product you’d have that capability in a awd drivetrain
Thanks for a good video. I can't stand power liftgates... :)
You can add the auto same auto dim mirror for $140 (US) at the dealer.
Alright, I watched your car video from mainland China and got a WOT anime video.
Hey Claus thanks for the NO BS Review, as for the black cladding there are two things you can do, get some "Mothers back to black" and polish that plastic up, also some say, but I have not tried this yet but you can take a heat gun to it and the black will come out basically erasing that greyish coloring and will bring it back to looking like new, but ya have to be careful that ya don't melt it, got to put just the right amount of heat into it. I'm sure there are some UA-cam videos on it, so be sure to check it out to get that plastic back to looking new. Also part of the reason I was looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee is that they have redundant buttons for the heater/seats etc...so if that infotainment center ever fails ya got a back up.
Mohers back to black? I will try it!
@@clauskellermanpov3004 Works pretty well on my Jeep Cherokee that has that same plastic I also sometimes use "Car Guys" Premium Plastic Restorer" which I got from I think Amazon, it also works really well. I have seen videos on the heat gun trick but have not really tired that yet. you'll have to reapply the mothers or the Car Guys stuff like every 3 months or so depending if ya park inside or out and how often you go to the car wash, however I usually just do it once a year.👍 P.s. Show Marty in the next video if you still have him!
ceramic coating works as well from what I've heard. I think you need to get the slightly more expensive stuff, not the cheaper spray bottle ones at Canadian Tire.
noo! don't do the heat gun thing, it will just make it worse. It will very temporarily make it black but then very soon it will get even greyer and worst of all it makes the plastic more brittle because it takes out the moisture and oils out of it
@@crimsonlightbinder well I would expect that ya polish it after as well to put the moisture etc back in. I have seen videos of the process but I personally just use the back to black stuff. However nothing we do will be a long term fix sadly. Here is one of the videos I watched: ua-cam.com/video/_sEBSxDY-jM/v-deo.htmlsi=-rnK1uekigvzTgUU
Why won’t they put the 2.4 in the Forester?
I'm actually trying to decide on one of these. I was going to go outback. But the electrical issues scare me. The battery drain issue on every model is pretty bad with batterys dead randomly dying
Bes WoT youtuber Claus Kellerman
They should make it completely out of rubber, it would be invincible! Maybe couple of screens just for good measure.
Great video Claus! Just a quick note: Forester is spelt with one "r" not two. Just in case you want to correct it.
Thanks for that!
@@clauskellermanpov3004 you’re welcome!
Nice choices Claus nicely explained.
Angle of approach is measured slightly differently than you said,check out Wikipedia image.(Gives you angle of slope you can approach ).
Have you shown your Dad 😱.
I know it's slightly different but my way is exactly the right way and tells you if you will hit your front end as you approach a slope. Every other number is just fake advertising.
@@clauskellermanpov3004 ok Claus ok,apologies,you are the greatest
Hi Claus - I'm in the uk and I got a Range Rover and an O2 mobile. Adverts, that is, I didn't buy anything... I hope this was the right video to check.
Edit: Some time later - Oh Claus - now I'm getting recommendations on my UA-cam page for Subaru reviews! I never should have listened to you!
Thanks for sharing
Scotty Kilmers love child haha… but reviews made me rethink my options now, cheers from 🇦🇺
Would the Outback engine make the T95 faster? Maybe they should put the Outback drivetrain in one of the T6 Veeled Wehicles or light tanks.
Get some mequiars back to black for the black cladding. It will look like new after you apply it.
Meguiars products have never let me down. Although I use Mothers on all my stainless on autos or home appliance and fixtures. Can't use it on brass, it will ruin brass.
I'm a female long time subaru owner, first Forester now Outback. I learned more in your video about torque and approach angle than I ever have. Great video. I currently have a 2015 Outback and am thinking of getting either a Crosstrek or Outback, cannot decide. But your video helps!
Glad it helped
If you don't need the extra room in the Forrester then the CrossTrek is a great choice!
UA-cam PAYING GOOD , THANKS WAR GAMING
Exactly,and he doesn’t get a terrible amount of views either,around 8-10k average maybe? Nothing like QB or jingles
Great video, I'm thinking of buying a Subaru, currently have a Land Rover so great for torque but terribly slow on a long journey so food for thought 👍
for my needs, the forrestor is best. The outback is close but I don't like the station wagon similarity look.
The crazy thing about the Crosstrek is you are getting the interior with all the bells and whistles of a top trim vehicle AND some exceptional offroad capabilities at what is essentially the entry price of a bare bones base model truck. Whereas once you start getting into the Outback Wilderness price range you actually start getting into some decent trucks or rock crawler price ranges. At that point you are trying to decide if you want to invest in comfort at the price of some rock crawling capabilities or the ability to climb rocks without the same comfort.
Yeap I love my Crosstrek Wilderness
It can have the same engine and have slightly different hp/tq number. I believe it’s the same engine different tuning.
which makes it a DIFFERENT engine
@@clauskellermanpov3004 how?
I really like the new Crosstrek wilderness. My lease isn't up until a year from now so I'm hoping they have a 2025 forester wilderness by then so I can compare.
Don't lease !!
@@danielfair4675 Leasing makes the most sense for me, if I'm always going to have a car payment I'd rather lease and have a lower payment then if I financed for like 7 years or whatever the max is they are doing now. Then I get to swap it out for something new every 3 years and have a car that's always under warranty too.
yep, I always lease. always drive a new car and nearly everything is under full warranty, for the life of the lease@@timkline162
My first car was a 1975 Subaru. I paid $50 for it in 1984. No bullshit. It would do 60mph downhill, and where I grew up in Florida, there was only one hill.
That's funny! I had a 40hp VW for a while. Now I have a 30 HP riding lawn mower. I should have just kept the VW and swapped a mower deck underneath. LOL
So you bought a blue car and already as new a double one too. I bet that car must be bad because you have a spare one already ;) Isn't it like Toyota now if I have understood that right? I have 2001 X5 and as a Finnish car very basic equipments. Have done some updates on it, one of them was exactly about the same compass mirror with a carage door opener and a dimming, it was option when it was new. Have also done same kinda stuff for my other cars and then installed to my parents car too some options which was lacking of it. My oldest car is actually a 1986 Toyota, which is why I overally value Japanese reliability for high. They just are "the easy way" to drive often. Would not say that same of a new BMW, even I like of bit older ones on them the most.
Perfect explanation.
Glad you think so!
Have you towed with crosstrek? I currently have a Crosstrek non-wilderness 1500 pound towing capacity and I tow a teardrop trailer. That’s 1500 pounds plus about 500 pounds of weight so I was looking at maybe purchasing the crosstrek wilderness but wondering how it tows any suggestions?
Subaru says it can do it because it has the larger engine and the transmission cooler (very important). It can do 3,500 according to Subaru so 2,000 should be easy. Make sure to put the 500 pounds of stuff NOT in the front of the trailer and increase your tongue weight though...
Would be great if Subaru takes a page out of Mazda's playbook and offers the turbo on the cx-30, cx 5 and c 50
Have you ever gotten a chance to compare your two cars driving up some mountain highways at speed? I have an OBW but am considering the CTW. However, I don't want to switch if the CTW can't maintain the speed limit (or maybe a bit higher than that) while driving up steep mountain grades. I've gotten some answers from CTW owners that have helped but you're the perfect guy to ask since you have both cars. As for your CTW's shifter knob, I'm pretty sure all CTW's get the plain black one. I don't think it's because you got an early-built unit. Thanks for the video.
The crosstrek does not have the HP or torque of the outback. It will slow down on mountain hills or have to red really high. The outback can maintain speed in cruise control while towing my 2,000 lb trailer. Turbo too! No turbo on Crosstrek.
@@clauskellermanpov3004Thanks for your reply. It sounds like I should stick with my OBW.
Excellent Video, Thank’s!