The Toyota Supra Is A Better BMW
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The Toyota Supra Is A Better BMW
We've had some questions about the new Toyota Supra and whether or not it's a great, reliable, luxury car. We'll review the Toyota Supra, give you our thoughts and impressions, talk about recalls, reliability issues, and what we love about this new BMW engine that's been put in the Supra.
Would I buy a Toyota Supra? Is it worth it? How great is this Supra, and is it a better BMW?
All of this and more in our full #review of the #Toyota #Supra!
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Mark, you are the best! I appreciate your honesty. I was leaning toward the Supra, but I think it would be wise to hold off til time bears the Supra out, I do believe there are challenges that may rear it's head. You are extremely helpful.
Thank you very much for your support.
I can't believe BMW still has coolant leak issues after so many years
It’s strange but sadly not new
That is how they get people to get a new car every few years or if you continue driving an aging BMW you spend a lot of money on parts and services.
All BMWs leak coolant from multiple places - the electric pump itself, the reservoir, and the return line.
Coolant and Oil as well.
@@samstye
And transmission fluid.
Thank Gd I saw your honest review. I traded my Lexus ISF and bought a new Lexus RCF instead of GR Supra.
That’s a great car. Great choice
In my experience, BMW and Audi service intervals should be cut in half to avoid issues.
right?
That doesn't stop all that wonderful plastic from cracking and in some cases exploding.
Owned BMW's for ten years before I found out I was being duped. Will never buy them or whatever this parts bin special is, again.
On the ZF8 topic, I installed the VAP/HPTuner ZF8 TCU tune on my F-Type and its the biggest change of any car technology I've driven, maybe, ever. I've been driving sports cars for 40 years and I'm still trying to understand what its doing. Example: each gear has, sort of, its own effective transmission, in that, at a fairly constant mph, each selected gear can range from idle RPM to above its natural geared RPM depending on pedal position. I guess its gradually unclamping while in each gear from neutral to full clamp to produce any resultant RPM it wants, without a numerical gear change. That, plus the rev matching is insane. You can run through all 8 gears and back as fast as you can paddle -- and where ever you stop, you are, in fact, in that gear. The RPM doesn't budge and you cant feel any gear changes, and acceleration is constant and adjustable via pedal position. I expected shifts to be violent, but now, its the most luxurious and transparent transmission I've ever driven. Drive mode does a much better job at following your foot, its actually an option now.
I'm pretty shocked by it, and each time I drive things get seem to get even more mysterious. Its supposed to shave 2 to 4 tenths off the 1320, I don't doubt that it might. The ZF8 is an incredibly versatile and programmable machine.
Great write up. You are right and there is always some benefit left on the table by the manufacturer.
The wife thinks our BMWs are money pits, but I still like them. She says our next car should be a Toyota, so this is one option I'm going to look into, but we can wait to get a 2021 come 2024 or 2025 since we always buy used or CPO cars. Thanks for the informative review!
Thanks a lot. Yes a CPO warranty is a great way to go to ensure a little extra security
Money pits until they save you in a crash then money well spent.
@@petercreagh8797 My thoughts exactly. Personally, I probably would never buy anything more than a BMW moving forward, but the wife of 30 years does get an opinion in the matter...
@@vegasmike4610 lol wait til she finds out the supra has a bmw engine
She's right. They're junk.
To be honest I still prefer the original Supra TT that was sold here in the UK.
Slower? More then likely but on looks 😌 Fantastic 👍
Absolutely
Can’t believe you actually put Scotty Kilmer’s photo on there
10:16 Fuel Tank welds: Lo and behold - you said it right.
Cheers
I think my last BMW will be my current N55 powered E70 X5. I traded my N55 335i for it last Sept and ''knock on wood'' it's been a great engine for me in both platforms. I do all my own OCD maintenance so i guess that has contributed to the reliability.
BMW owners know it's not the engine, it's everything else around it that fails.
I hope in the next few years they can put the rav 4 prime hybrid engine with a 6 speed if that’s possible in the future.
Great video as always
Thank you very much. What do you think about the Supra?
@@ECPP I love it maybe they could do with a little less fake vents but I don’t really mind them over here in Ireland everything is over priced especially cars like the gr Yaris starts from 54000 euros lol
BMW is always very expensive to repair
Great information and "review" of the Toyota. Traditions carry on. You know that they have created something brilliant when coolant leaks and all kinds of crap can happen to your brand new vehicle.
That’s true
lol there's barely any issues with Z4s, stop whining over nothing
I'd rather drive a reliable Camry than a BMWs that get check engine lights every couple months
Haha shots fired. It's not a 96 Celica 🤣🤣 Great informative vid.
Lol, you bet. Have a great one.
94 Celica*
I used to drive a ‘88 Supra great handling and highly religious.. U Rt don’t buy it if u have to Patch it! Purchase what U can maintain.
That is true
We (the motor industry) has been making cars since 1893. If we can build the Saturn V rocket I find it unacceptable in 2021 that BMW or Toyota can't do a fuel tank weld correctly ! It's greed really, cut quality and eek out as much margin as possible.
Lmao at your comment!
😮😥😥😥, great information as always, Thanks Mark, unfortunately not very reassuring especially for the price, have a great day my friend, stay warm and safe 😎🇨🇦
Thanks Scott, you are right, and I can’t help but look outside and feel that spring has sprung. It’s beautiful outside. Have an awesome day
Does the B58 have a valve cover gasket? The valve cover head is glued to the motor.
A silly question….who repairs the car when taken to the Toyota dealership?
Toyota repairs the MK5 A90 , along with general maintenance.
Scotty is actually a closet BMW fan.
Very informative. That matte finish on the Supra looks great.
It is a great look for sure
Toyota has a dedicated B58 variant
Hey mark. New subscriber From sherwood park alberta !!
Hi there, thanks a lot and welcome to the channel
The MK5 Supra A90 is better than the Supra MK4 to MK1.
Toyota ain't taking a risk to "build the Supra on their own" when the general public doesn't by it when it's new in dealerships.....it's better for them to share the Research And Development costs with another manufacturer (BMW) and borrow and strengthen a Straight 6/4 engine from Another Manufacturer (BMW) rather than spend LOTS of money to create a new Inline Engine(2JZ is outdated and it costs LOTS to meet emissions standards).
Great information as always, I was considering latest supra but too much BMW 4me, I love German cars looks but to costly. I'll stick with my wrx
I believe straight six cylinder doesn't need a balance shaft... Correct me if I'm wrong.
i was thinking the same
Vanos, that one word keeps me away. Does that mean I wont ever buy one? No, I'm still very hesitant. I think Toyota should have gone with the 5.0 v8 from the ISF and then turbocharge it.
V8s are heavier and not tunable compared to the i6.
Very much appreciated Mark.
Scotty doesn't promote the vehicle but uses it as a gimmick for one of his intros. Scotty is about practicality and would not spend his millions on collecting cars.
Living the dream
To be honest,I love Supra engineered completely by Toyota.
Nice
But yeah.... Toyota used BMW's engine for Toyota "Supra." BMW had never been reliable. I will never buy the new Supra cars. This is the worst thing Toyota just did. I would rather buy the new Nissan Z.
I believe toyota should have made the attempt to improve on the jz engine instead of putting so much faith in bmw to try taking it to the next level. I've had BMW's and still do. This was not a good idea on Toyota's part just pure bmw hype!
How much would it cost and why would they do that? They used the JZ in multiple platforms. In the new supras case they would only be planning on keeping it in the supra only since they already have their V6s to use in nearly every car they have out now so making a whole new JZ would be pointless especially since they're trying to push forward with EV's also. Even if they made a new JZ it'd more or less would dissapoint people possibly since toyo is likes to make open deck engines now with extremely secure/lock ecu's making it near impossible to mod it. They may have used BMW parts but that just gave the community another underrated platform to mess with plus another modern rwd i6 powered sportscar that can be built for the same things the mk4 was used for or even used in fields u rarely see anyone taking mk4s. In a way it was either they didn't make a supra,team up with BMW and make it so it'd be affordable, or just make it a EV.
They've replaced it with the newer v6 which Lotus uses. But toyota is too cheap to build sports cars and uses both Subaru and BMW do build it for them.
@@Arayig1982 V6 does not go in Supras.
Can you also talk about volvos in your videos? would be pretty interesting.
Being a I6 engine, does the B58 have a balancing shaft?
Is the 4cylinder version reliable?
Yes the b48 is the same platform as the B58
@@ECPP Thanks a lot I appreciate your honest and quick answer
This information is great 😃 news for those that want one of these unfortunately I'm not 🚫 one of those.
2020 here. No issues so far and have been tuned/dp for the last 4K miles. The 20’s have a Toyota built head whereas the 21’s are a copy and paste from the Z4. The 2021’s are having some issues.
Umm no. The whole car was built using all BMW parts. Toyota did inspect the 2020 engine and approved it but even some of those had the oil consumption issue. I know this for a fact because I was looking at one and the dealer told me it was buyback that had the engine replaced due to oil consumption. The only Toyota parts you see are the logo's.
yeah
as u v been told bmw like the ultime driving machine thought the sun could mess bmw drivers up so ingeneers curved the protection glass of the dashboard so u ll never miss u stats driving
that s a real thing empowering u anyway
You forgot one, 21s are eating oil
You lost me at jaguar f type
I would still get the new Supra i love that B58. Thx for the info
how about the crank hub on this did they fix it on the new supra motor because the claim toyota fix a lot of the bmw problems
B58s never had crank hub issues. That's a issue for S55s
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 so how good this this new motor for the supra going to be I have been seen a lot of videos where it show the bwm motor vs the m4 car and Toyota made a better car and better motor and it won in a heads up race as well
@@evo6swap Supras just pull harder than most cars partially because they pull hard on the low end and weight less but M4s will have the advantage with top end since they have more power plus they're i6s have twin turbos. Between the 2 the M4s i6(S55)has a better chance all around in making power than the mk5s i6(B58)partially since the M4s has a lower compression ratio and slightly stronger internals with a bigger aftermarket supporting them. Now in the 20 mk5s case they have the B58 with a 2 port integrated head(even tho B58s come with 6 port traditional heads)but they're still easy to make power out of with ease. The 21 mk5 has the 6 port B58 with a traditional head and would pretty much make a bit more power with the same mods done to a 2 port B58 but people say the difference between both will show once they make over 900whp+. Now between the M4s S55 vs the Mk5s B58 the S55 is more of a performance engine than the B58 is even tho the B58 can make power just as easy as the S55 can. Can't say much on which is completely stronger on handling power yet since people haven't found the limits of both all the way yet to say.
I still say leave Toyota engine in Toyota and leave BMW engine to BMWs, speechless as to why Toyota couldn’t use one of their own engine. If I had the money I would not buy Supra.
They're old and they didnt have a I6 to use since they didn't have one nor are any of their engines tunable in the very least and even so it costs a arm or leg to do so.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Yep.
There is No Such Thing as a better BMW
Well….
how long has BMW been making SUPRAs?
For a few years niw
Snap crackle and pop? Sounds like rice to me.
Well, the way it was explained was that the New Supra is a high maintenance car that will give you headaches and anxiety. I wouldn’t buy one at the moment but wait maybe a couple more years and watch what happen. I believed it’s the safest bet anyone can do who’s interested in this car.
That is the safe approach as there is a lot of BMW imbedded. It is Ana awesome car though and I love the looks of it.
You see you don't know anything about Supras in general.
Imho, unless you are a die-hard Supra fan, M2 Comp which uses the M3/4 S55 engine is a much better choice. When you can have the original, why settle for a copy?
S55 is completely different from a B58. 2 separate i6s completely. Just less expensive to mod a B58 than a S55.
And you can get a manual
@@ECPP Absolutely, a manual is a must-have for enthusiasts like us. The only mod I will make on an M2 Comp will be a short-throw shifter plus a short-travel clutch pedal.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 In bmwtuning.co/n54-n55-b58-s55/, the author provides a helpful comparo on pros & cons between the BMW N54, N55. B58 & S55 engines
M2 Comp is dorky as fuck. Supra looks like a sportscar.
aren't jaguars like...bad cars?
By what standard? From my personal experience, they are totally inline with most other Luxury brands for reliability.
That car is some SHIT ITS NOT A SUPRA PERIOD
Funny stuff toyota supra is using bmw engine ..... but toyota reliability is better than bmw ....
Well…
Burning oil...🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’ll stick to Lexus...Thanks Mark 👍🏽
Have a great day. Cheers
It’s gorgeous !!!!!! BMWs do drive very well but their lackluster reliability will keep me away 🤢
The only reason scotty gets so many views is because he sounds like a cartoon character, all he says is Toyota's are reliable (dauh my grandmother even knows that) he's a click bait back yard mechanic. Also my N54 has been bullet proof but I also went over any weak points. Not as reliable as a Camery but their no fun.
Great points and I see exactly the same thing you do. Have a great day.
He gets so many views because he knows what he is talking about and has over 50 years experience as a mechanic.
@@ECPP be careful knocking Scotty. You're better than that.
@@gregpst77 just cause someone is old and been around cars doesn't make common sense any less obvious. Especially to most of us on here that also know a lot about cars but saying Toyota's are great and (this is what i think of Biden) to get some views doesn't make him any more of an expert then us. Its ok I'm sure he loves you too
I used to watch Scotty Kilmer but unsubscribed. I found just to opinionated.
Absolutely. It’s great to be open minded as there are so many great vehicles out there.
Scotty comes across as unbiased. Tells people what they need to know rather than what they want to hear.
Many get mad at him when he points out how bad the quality is on many North American cars, but it's true. It's too bad if some Chrysler/etc employees can't handle it.
He also admits to being cheap and many luxury cars are endless money pits.
It's too bad most North American car companies are so focused on quarterly gains that long term reliability suffers.
Toyota and Honda are focused more on long term gains and reliability. It's why their sedans sell better than anyone.
3rd liker and 2nd comment 😎
Awesome, thanks for stopping by. You like the Supra?
@@ECPP I like the old hulk like supra with manual and that screamer under the hood 😉😎
The 94 celica stil better than the new zupra
But in what way?
You're Delusional.
I had a 94 and will not purchase a new supra specially due to the fact BMW is involved and I had plenty of issues q my 335I
Lmao 🛑
Toyota had almost 20 years to perfect or near perfect this car. No excuse for such issues on such a legendary name.
"legendary"?
The Supra is not a "legendary" name especially when the MK4 A80 Supra was POOR sellers in the 1990s.
Hence: Cancellation in 1998/2002 due to poor sales!
I think Scotty is a shade tree mechanic at best, he does not know what he's talking about.
Cheers to that and let’s raise a glass. Have a great day
@@ECPP Amen!
Kia are rubbish, Toyota are the best. Don't buy CAIs, aftermarket exhausts and some manufacturer has just changed the game and he's had enough haha
But Scotty loves Toyotas lol.
Are you kidding me? The guy was a mechanic for over 50 years and knows what he's talking about.
He knows more than most of us combined.
Toyota should of went back to the 2JZ motor. You always wait couple of years on a new model so they can work out the problems.
If they did it'd be no different from the current engine that's in the mk5 but open deck and untunable. Plus it's inflate the cars price too.
The 2jz is over hyped. It was a turd stock.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 👍.
@@ryanturnerboles Yeah,....and the Supra A80 RZ Trim with the 2JZGTE barely beat out the 1993 C4 Corvette "base" , while costing a few thousands above the Corvette C4 "base".
Stop tell lies how many u owen
Thanks
This car is a shame for Toyota 😱
Thanks
What do you drive?
@@decodeddiesel A Fiat 😱😂
I think scotty is right , he did say that its a BMW and reliability doubtful , it is a car for enthusiast , you don' t care about repairs , but for me I will never buy a BMW , they are plastic crap and is getting worst every year , lots of BMW engineer are leaving them , they will selling plastics because people love them and they do not care , if we all take economic sanctions against BMW , may it will change until then , keep buying their crap !!!
They do have a lot of plastic, they make it really hard to keep them. I am debating on getting rid of my x5-4.8 with 63K on it, I just don't want the headaches and the costs at this point in my life, reliability is number one right now I want stability no surprises - what good is the ultimate driving machine if it is always broke or in the shop - Why doesn't BMW understand this, they brag about engineering how. about making a reliable car for once - now I will get hate from the fan bois that nothing has ever went wrong with their BMW and we all know they are full of BS
@@johnhender I'd say be picky on what BMW your buying. Any bmw with a 40i is pretty much the most reliable out of the group since they more or less have way less issues compared to their V8s/I4s. Quiet literally you just have to be picky on what model your picking that has a engine with less issues compared to others when its BMW.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Actually I will probably never buy a BMW again they are pretty but not built to last when I buy I like to keep a car a long time BMW makes my Audi’s seem reliable , luxury is supposed to mean free of worry, I have had enough of BMW headaches, for the money I paid I could have bought 3 Honda’s . Lexus has actually been the most reliable car I have ever owned no problem just oil changes BMW needs to get their act together I have one more ICE car in me after that it will definitely be Japanese- because the Germans cannot make reliable electronics it they can’t make an engine ECU work right how will they make the brain for the whole care reliable - I have little doubt they can make a reliable electric car- suv but I know the Japanese can and will all day long
@@johnhender German electronics is worst on the planet , just like their Tank in thesecond world war , it breaks every 100 km , thats why they lost the war , the spent more time fixing their sht than their enemies , as an electron-technician , I can tell you for sure , German electronics is very poor , I have seen circuit exploded in fron of me , my friend could have lost his eyes if he did not have his safety glasses on .When you buy an expensive car , we assume reliability is their , it is up to you to drive conservatively or not . But for regular driving , it still break and cracks , picing off fluid , chinese cars do not do that. WE the help of computers they cannot even run electrical wire properly , this is basic , I think they just take people for uneducated " give those american this piece of shit , they will pay for it " they don't care , VW lemon , Audi lemon , Mercedes Benz now the last time I read , they have been hiding revision on cars , the are only cheap revision .
Do like the Korean are doing , they know they are poor designers and tuners , the employ BMW and Audi engineers to Design and tune their cars and their Engineers are doing the electronics and Mechanics , this is what I call sincere engineering . I cannot trahs them all because I owe a Benz.
BMW has never been reliable.. Several Recalls in less than a year. Service required 3 x times mores than a full Japanese engine and the price uuuhhh
The same car.
The Supra is ugly as hell, the rear end is strange looking.
Jealousy.
MK4 A80 Supras , when first released to the general public in the early 1990s(1993) wasn't well liked either.....it was criticized for being too different to the MK3 A70 Supra along with not having the Pop-Up-Headlights and being regarded as a "budget Front Engine Ferrari"🤷