Thanks Sonny! I really enjoy these old tools and I know that you do as well! Thanks for your enthusiasm! I just got two more similar but different tools that look like they're from the same production line but were for other operations. Can't wait to receive them and try to figure them out as well!
@@IMakeWatches Did you get those tools ? and by moving colltet in a watch movement you adjust beat error AKA alignment of pallet fork between banking pins due to position of impulse jewel
Great work. It is fantastic that you can obtain a tool for a few dollars that would cost many hundreds to produce; even if you could find somebody with the necessary skills. I wonder if the 30 degree adjustment of the collet holding bit might be useful to achieve fine adjustment of the collet for beat error adjustment. Thereby avoiding the risks of levering the collet with a screwdriver or similar tool. Of course this would require a holding bit able to hold the an assembled balance, arbor and hairspring. The 30 degree range would then be more than sufficient.
Yeah, that's a good theory. Perhaps on an assembly line after you do a few and put them in movements and test them you would get a feel for what the correct position is, and then make the adjustment on that gauge, and then everything else off the line would be cut and assembled in a good position for minimal beat error! I like that theory and I'm going to go with that, at least until someone comes up with a better theory!
Can't believe how interesting this video is (was). It was good to have someone take the time to look at, and to explain the workings of a vintage piece of watchmaking history. Whilst I'll never need to work at that level, having knowledge of what can be done gives a better understanding. Thank you my friend.
Thanks Ross! Thankfully that tool is actually quite simple. I'm trying to learn how to understand and explain more complicated mechanisms, so this was a great item to start out with!
Thanks Jimmy! You know what I'm really curious about is how you get the spring attached to the collet without messing it up! At least with the cutter you're working on the outside of the coil. I'm sure there's a tool for that as well.
i have it somewhere need to search i have a new old stock Outer coil cutting tool somewhere never used its a shame 😞thanks for the explanation i never used it so this i al kinda new for me.... showed your valantines watch to my mother she loved it 👍 your ending was great this time trow it in and it runs haha
@@IMakeWatches i am gone look for it i know i got in a box somewhere got it from my unkel when he died... i know the bottum plate is thinner on mine but its 5 years ago when i hold it in my hand thinking one day i gonne need it what i forgot about it till i saw your video today ... yess i send you picture when i found it np
I put a link to the modern day Vibrograf version of it in my reply to Paul's comment. That's worth a look as well. If you find yours I'd like to publish pictures of all three on my community page. I think people would enjoy seeing the differences.
@@pbreeden1 It's not Swiss only! You just have to sign up and they have to mail you a confirmation letter so it takes a couple of weeks. And then beofre you bid on something you have to ask the seller if they ship to your country and for how much additional.
Very interesting. That’s a pretty esoteric tool. Did you get that vibration timing tool you saw in that shop? Definitely need that to asses the success of the newly trimmed springs.
No, I'm still in the market for a hairspring vibrator. Vladislav scolded me for not buying that one in the video and he was 100% correct. I just didn't have $200 bucks on me that day and it was half way across Switzerland. I do see that same seller at all the watch fairs (and I bought the Petermann escapement meter from him as well recently in Zurich), but he had so much stuff in his workshop I'm frighted to go back because I would probably go insane now that I know a lot more about what's what!
Wow this is weird. I commented on a video about two days ago regarding a question of does anyone know what this is. It was the same tool. I have never seen one and thought it might be for putting a hole into a mainspring but I could not see the details very well and mentioned that it looked like a small shaper. Anyway thanks cause now I know what it is
Thanks for asking that question! For sure I'd like to use it at least once on a restoration project in which the hairspring ends up timed correctly and in a working watch. And then beyond that who knows? My approach to all of this stems from wanting to have a sensory understanding of traditional watchmaking and also putting that understanding to practice, not just playing around with tools and parts.
Definitively a factory production tool. super cool.
Thanks Sonny! I really enjoy these old tools and I know that you do as well! Thanks for your enthusiasm! I just got two more similar but different tools that look like they're from the same production line but were for other operations. Can't wait to receive them and try to figure them out as well!
@@IMakeWatches Man your right in the heart of cool tool ville
@@IMakeWatches Did you get those tools ? and by moving colltet in a watch movement you adjust beat error AKA alignment of pallet fork between banking pins due to position of impulse jewel
Thanks for sharing Dayton, always a joy to watch...👍
Great work. It is fantastic that you can obtain a tool for a few dollars that would cost many hundreds to produce; even if you could find somebody with the necessary skills. I wonder if the 30 degree adjustment of the collet holding bit might be useful to achieve fine adjustment of the collet for beat error adjustment. Thereby avoiding the risks of levering the collet with a screwdriver or similar tool. Of course this would require a holding bit able to hold the an assembled balance, arbor and hairspring. The 30 degree range would then be more than sufficient.
Yeah, that's a good theory. Perhaps on an assembly line after you do a few and put them in movements and test them you would get a feel for what the correct position is, and then make the adjustment on that gauge, and then everything else off the line would be cut and assembled in a good position for minimal beat error! I like that theory and I'm going to go with that, at least until someone comes up with a better theory!
So much watchmaker tools out there, it never ends :)
Yes, I love it! Never boring! Thanks as always for your comments!
Can't believe how interesting this video is (was). It was good to have someone take the time to look at, and to explain the workings of a vintage piece of watchmaking history. Whilst I'll never need to work at that level, having knowledge of what can be done gives a better understanding. Thank you my friend.
Thanks Ross! Thankfully that tool is actually quite simple. I'm trying to learn how to understand and explain more complicated mechanisms, so this was a great item to start out with!
That is a CRAZY fiddly task, even with the tool. They really do have a tool for everything in this hobby. Thanks for sharing Dayton.
Thanks Jimmy! You know what I'm really curious about is how you get the spring attached to the collet without messing it up! At least with the cutter you're working on the outside of the coil. I'm sure there's a tool for that as well.
i have it somewhere need to search i have a new old stock Outer coil cutting tool somewhere never used its a shame 😞thanks for the explanation i never used it so this i al kinda new for me.... showed your valantines watch to my mother she loved it 👍 your ending was great this time trow it in and it runs haha
If you find it please email me a picture! I’m curious how similar mine is to yours!
@@IMakeWatches i am gone look for it i know i got in a box somewhere got it from my unkel when he died... i know the bottum plate is thinner on mine but its 5 years ago when i hold it in my hand thinking one day i gonne need it what i forgot about it till i saw your video today ... yess i send you picture when i found it np
I put a link to the modern day Vibrograf version of it in my reply to Paul's comment. That's worth a look as well. If you find yours I'd like to publish pictures of all three on my community page. I think people would enjoy seeing the differences.
Nice work. And I'm super envious of your nice and cheap find!
Thanks! Bargain hunting takes a lot of time but it's also a great way to learn!
@@pbreeden1 It's not Swiss only! You just have to sign up and they have to mail you a confirmation letter so it takes a couple of weeks. And then beofre you bid on something you have to ask the seller if they ship to your country and for how much additional.
Very interesting. That’s a pretty esoteric tool. Did you get that vibration timing tool you saw in that shop? Definitely need that to asses the success of the newly trimmed springs.
No, I'm still in the market for a hairspring vibrator. Vladislav scolded me for not buying that one in the video and he was 100% correct. I just didn't have $200 bucks on me that day and it was half way across Switzerland. I do see that same seller at all the watch fairs (and I bought the Petermann escapement meter from him as well recently in Zurich), but he had so much stuff in his workshop I'm frighted to go back because I would probably go insane now that I know a lot more about what's what!
@@IMakeWatches
😀 Next time.
For $34 it’s an absolute bargain. I certainly couldn’t make it for that little money! A beautiful tool
Wait until you see the next one!
Very interesting tool, thanks
Thanks! I appreciate your comments and I'm glad that you found it interesting! More to come!
Wow this is weird. I commented on a video about two days ago regarding a question of does anyone know what this is. It was the same tool. I have never seen one and thought it might be for putting a hole into a mainspring but I could not see the details very well and mentioned that it looked like a small shaper. Anyway thanks cause now I know what it is
Ha ha! The question was asked by me on my community page! 😂😂😂 Thanks for watching!
how many hairsprings do you have in mind to cut?
Thanks for asking that question! For sure I'd like to use it at least once on a restoration project in which the hairspring ends up timed correctly and in a working watch. And then beyond that who knows? My approach to all of this stems from wanting to have a sensory understanding of traditional watchmaking and also putting that understanding to practice, not just playing around with tools and parts.
Fascinating tool Dayton, shame that in reality for watchmaking these days it is really a museum/collector item.
Absolutely! But how lucky for us!