The topic of homosexuality is showing up more and more on all the Christian channels and blogs. The reason is because deviant sexuality is being pushed more and more by our institutions. As believers we need to be careful not to waiver in our morals regarding this topic. Just because it is being pushed and obsessed over by society, we don't need to change our stance on the sinfulness of sin. Even when it is socially uncomfortable, we must stand in the Truth.
sexual sins isnt the only thing that is showing up more and more. So is lying and greed and famous "righteous" bombing of people around the world because they disagree with so called freedom and so called USA centric rule of law. So stand firm against these leaven as well otherwise all these sayings will be nothing but the sayings of hipocrates.
I think that people usually use this question to ostracize you and try to make you appear hateful or ignorant. I am always glad to talk about it with someone who is genuinely wanting to know what God says about it.
I loved Dr. Christopher Yuan’s testimony. We have 8 kids adopted from backgrounds of abuse. Two became homosexuals. I did not reject them, nor did I compromise the truth of the gospel for them. I told them it is a sin which can be forgiven when confessed and repented.I still love them and had continued talking and visiting with them. The older one rejected me. He cut us off. He called and told me that since I would not support his life style, I was unloving and he wanted nothing more to do with me. I told him that this is his decision and that I would have to accept his decision. He said,” Well, I guess that answers my question”.I told him that he did not ask me a question, that he had delivered his judgement on me and that he is the one doing the rejecting, he is the one exhibiting an unloving,intolerant attitude. That God had given each person the individual right to make decisions whether He approved or not, and that I must accept his decisions even though I disagree with them. He has not had any communication since even though I wrote him twice. The other is our youngest daughter. She is addicted to sex with either gender, and to drugs.She “ married” another woman then divorced a year later. I tried to talk with them both about sin and forgiveness. She lives with who ever will take her in. She still calls me and meets with me now and then.
"But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and is enticed. Then, when desire is conceived, it gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death."-James 1:14-15.
Sexual immorality has consequences. This is an objective truth and not opinion. As Christians we cannot turn a blind eye in hopes we don’t offend. It’s actually more caring to talk about this for what it is…. sin, then to withhold truth fully knowing the destruction it brings. Following Christ means putting others above ourselves and saying truths that could potentially save them from eternal damnation while knowing it may offend but praying it will shed light into darkness. Leaving them alone is the least loving thing we can do.
What about people who already know what the Bible says about sexual immorality, but choose to ignore it as outdated and/or judgmental? How do we show love to our friends/family who know and reject God’s standards? I’m asking this seriously. I was this person years ago, but I had family who loved me anyway. I knew their beliefs, but felt they didn’t apply to me. The Lord saved me and is refining me. I struggle with showing love without feeling like I’m compromising, knowing the right time to speak up and when to let things go.
what consequences? what are you talking about? you're a zealot imposing your beliefs on others. Hell isn't real. actually ponder that for a moment - it will honestly change your life. why would a perfect god create a reality that required eternal punishment for people he created? it's absurd.
@@truthinlovemama great question...ultimately we start with the whole salvation/ gospel question because the unsaved can't/ won't recognize sin as sin until God removes those blinders and they are born again. From there it's a huge matter of prayer and letting the Spirit lead. He doesn't want us engaging in every argument or battle-He'll tell you who and when. Really ask for His quickening and He will be faithful to guide!
@@jenniferrundle6870 Thanks for your reply! It is what I’ve been thinking too, but I have doubts sometimes because I don’t want to be lukewarm or cowardly. What you said lines up with something I just wrote down in my Bible study- how do I find God’s strength when I’m confused? “Be still and know that I am God.” The battle is the Lord’s. Thanks for the confirmation. I need to make sure I am more intentional with prayer, especially when I know I’ll be spending time with people who need a witness to God’s saving grace.
I used to have a “sinometer”. I was easier on murder than homosexuality. Then, I went to work with an ex-air force lesbian. She could have been my daughter. God changed my heart. I ultimately led her to the Lord, and she left her partner. We’re friends to this day. It was not as simple as I’m showing it here, but it was a huge lesson for me.
@@joshuakohlmann9731 yeah China is still bigly polyamorous and polygamy promiscuity. In the past before 1970s around there not exactly. They weren't much different the atheist state was similar to Islamic and many others. But mabey China is better sexually moral unlike America?
Mistakes are mistakes. None is worse than another and all can be and will be corrected. Forgiveness is the key. It softens our heart and that of everyone.
@@robertdouglas8895 I find it interesting that people will arc on a word or phrase from a post that takes the thread in a completely different direction from its intended purpose.
Very good answer! Reminded of the late Dr. Adrian Rogers who taught that as human beings, we have fatal attractions and flawed appetites rooted in Original Sin. This also serves a great backdrop for understanding the uniqueness of Christ in his temptations and Incarnation; that He possessed no fatal attractions nor flawed appetites. The devil tempts us with evil-but Christ, he tempted with good. In Christ, there was no itch which the devil could scratch, save for His righteous desire to do God's will and produce the Father's glory.
Christ was tempted in every way as we were/are. Son of MAN was his favorite title. Fully human, but submitting his will to God, as a perfect example for us to follow. Go and sin no more.
We need this! More and more people are asking me about this as soon as they know I am a Christian. Its always difficult to talk about it without making people judge and hate all of us (I know we are supposed to be persecuted, but we also dont wanna make people drift away from the possibility to convert)
@@pastorbri no, we need Truth and prayer… and love in general. “Homophobia” is just a word used as an excuse to accuse people as soon as they don’t agree with you
I got the chance to meet this guy at a collegiate convention at Glen Eyrie in CO, and I’m really glad I got to talk with him and hear his story. He went through and did a lot, and it’s amazing how God brought him out of that! Really excited to read the book he and his mom wrote together!
When someone asks me about this topic, I say that it’s not about what you feel or what you want…it’s about what you actually do. You could be attracted to all kinds of people, but if you are not engaging in behavior with them you are not supporting and actively participating in that sin. You can ask the Lord to help you to not have those desires and thoughts, and that is a part of placing yourself within His will. Ask God to help you to not be tempted. However, if you take part in the behavior, and you engage in acts which support other humans in that same behavior, such as promoting it as equivalent to the marriage of a man and a woman, or perhaps taking part in parades where you are supporting all of the people that you know who engage in the behavior, then you are in a spiritual state of rebellion against God.
Yes, when I talk to homophobics , I say that it’s not about what you feel or what you want…it’s about what you actually do. You could be attracted to all kinds of bigotries like racism, sexism etc, but if you are not engaging in behavior with them you are not supporting and actively participating in that sin. You can ask the Lord to help you to not have those desires to hate and thoughts of hate, and that is a part of placing yourself within His will. Ask God to help you to not be tempted into hate filled lifestyle choices. However, if you take part in the behavior of homophobia, and you engage in homophobic acts which support other humans in that same behavior, such as promoting it as equivalent to other bigoted lifestyle choices, or perhaps taking part in parades where you are supporting all of the people that you know who engage in the homophobic behavior, then you are in a spiritual state of rebellion against God.
@@pastorbri I hate to break this to you, but there is no such thing as "homophobia." There is only being in God's will and not being in God's will which is sin. Maybe you need to change your username.
If you’re going to say that God is accepting of particular sins simply because it suits you and your friends, maybe you’re actually looking for a different god. Try that one 👉 Just keep in mind that it’s not real when you worship it. God makes His own rules, and our agreement or disagreement is wholly irrelevant. “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” No matter how much we may want something, it could not possibly even approach the value of a relationship with God.
@@reijishian2593 God's word makes it very clear that he does not accept sin at all, and if you promote sin, if you try to normalize sin, if you say that you have a "right" to sin, then because we are made in His image, it is right to believe that He is particularly irritated that we are pushing back against His desire in such obvious and offensive ways.
Dr. Yuan testimony is great. We had him come to speak at two of our events. He is so calm but also solid in his theology, his books and the materials he is working on for high school age kids needs to be promoted.
@@pastorbri nope. I can recognize what sin is and isn't. You seem like you have unresolved issues. I.suggest you get counselling from a born again male pastor.
@@joinjen3854 I have Jesus, thats all I need, clearly that isn't enough for you, is satan your god? No offense. No wonder you are confused what sin is.
An excellent short discussion on these issues and I respect Dr. Yuan and his journey. One point in temptation being rooted in original sin is that Jesus was tempted in all ways as us, yet did not sin. Temptation for Jesus was not rooted in original sin but in His humanity. Just wonder how Jesus' temptation fits in the discussion. I admit that I have not read his latest book on the subject.
Interesting point. Is temptation rooted in original sin? You bring up the point that Jesus was tempted in all ways we are, yet he was without sin and without “original sin.” But also, Adam and Eve were tempted prior to the fall, and so were without original sin, as well. We see both cases, Jesus and Adam/Eve, as having been tempted directly by Satan, that temptation came from outside of them. But it wasn’t sinful until they gave into it. Certainly without having sin nature, Adam and Eve could have resisted, but did not. So is it something else about our humanity besides the fall and original sin causing our temptations? Free will perhaps? I don’t know, but something to think about.
Good point! Also, the original temptation was not rooted in original sin. It was external. The choice to disobey was the sin. I think there should be more clarification here about “original sin”, what they mean by “sin nature” (wasn’t that crucified with Christ? Is he talking about the flesh?) What are the distinctions he’s making? because I think there are discussions around this depending on theological traditions here.
I first listened to Christopher Yuan about 5-6 ? years ago and read his very good book. I’d love to hear him in person sometime! Thank you Alisa for this very relevant question. The thought I’ve had recently with this subject is I just don’t have the authority to override what God clearly says in His word about this subject. And enabling homosexuality is not kind and loving in the end. Though we still need to respond in love in dealing with those in bondage.
@@pastorbri , in what way? And I don’t think most people are truly phobic. I think the first order of things would be to define what you mean by homophobic. Christopher is quite clear in his biblical interpretation and I do not think he’s homophobic in any way. So how would you describe the word in the sense that it’s a sin.?
I'm seeing more and more christians carve out a special hedge for homosexuality. Sin is sin...so in that sense we are all "born that way." We must ALL be born again.
Sexual orientation appears to be a natural phenomena. Humans are natural beings (primates). The natural world comes before any religious claims, always.
@@Sundayschoolnetwork Yeah, but no one is born with same sex attraction (that is a myth that sadly has been infiltrating churches). There are early childhood developmental/environmental factors that lead to the individual experiencing SSA. Churches should be better informed of this so that they can help people with SSA to experience true transformation of the underlying root issues.
I think most homosexuals who ask this question are really asking, "Do you love me?" Of course our view and God's view of sin is not related to the amount we love a person. But they don't understand that. And they won't understand that if they think acceptance of their lifestyle is equal to love. Homosexuals have to be open-minded enough to really have the conversation and not just jump to, "Oh you think homosexuality is a sin so you don't love me, so I don't want to have anything to do with you anymore." What they don't realize is that our warning that something is a sin is the most loving thing we can do. Like you said, sin keeps us in bondage. Homosexuality keeps people in bondage. Unfortunately, there are spirits of homosexuality (and all kinds of sins/bondage) and until it becomes mainstream that we can cast demons out of people, people are going to have a lot harder time going against those sins/temptations. I personally have been set free of perversion that I think was demonic because after going through deliverance in Jesus' name I am no longer able to think some of the disgusting things I used to think. It is really amazing. Jesus freed me. Thank you LORD!
If it's not the worst sin, then why is it called an abomination? And why is it listed apart from other sins considered an abomination to the Lord? This behavior, including the thoughts, goes totally against God's creation and His Bride, the church. Stop making it seem less than what it really is!
I employ said individual. She knows where I stand. Her family loves Jesus, and she says she does to, but never fit in. I hired her 11 yrs ago when I was, unbeknownst to me, a universalist. Please lift her in prayer.
One issue that is prevalent is that the doctrines of sin vary from group to group (e.g., Calvinists and Wesleyans). Calvinists tend to lump all sin together (thought, word, and deed), while Wesleyans differentiate between intentional and unintentional sin--notice that Calvinists have Side B in their ranks. I really like the way in which Christopher Yuan explained it. People should know that struggling with homosexual attraction--not behavior, including the use of pornography--will not get them kicked out of a church or even out of church leadership if they are continually battling it, rather than allowing it space in their lives. We all have sin to mortify; this is one example of it. We must also constantly focus on 1 Corinthians 6 and the fact that any Christian struggling with said attraction has been washed clean and should never call him or herself gay.
Jesus himself said that if you hate someone, you already murdered him in your heart. Therefore, even thoughts can be sinful. Celebrate the fact Jesus died on the cross for all sins, even the ones you commit without intending to. Even Paul said he did what he didn't want to do, and did not do what he actually wanted to do
@@PeopleHaveNoGender To clarify, I agree that evil thoughts are sinful, as they arise from an evil heart, but that unwanted evil thoughts (attractions, etc ) are different than those we do not fight against and identify with. We need to continue to deal with them, but they are things that put a damper on our relationship with God if we have them, like entertaining evil (including thoughts), living in ungodly patterns of sin, and identifying with sin.
For some reason the tenth commandment seems to be left out of this. This is the lone commandment that deals with thoughts and intents of the heart. Sins of word and action originate within. "As a man thinketh, so is he.". Loving confrontation tries to address the heart issue as the root of the problem first.
Jesus spoke to the iniquity - the ability, willingness, desire, temptation - of sin in order to point to the need for salvation in Himself. He was indicating outward behavior being pure is insufficient to define the need. It's good to follow this framework to point to the absolute need for receiving the gospel, receiving Christ.
Before they were strangled by wokeness, clinical psychologists had it about right: homosexuality and related syndromes are a form of narcissism, with a strong erotic component that is usually associated with emotional immaturity. It is often associated with some trauma in childhood. There are 1000's of studies to back this up.
The first well documented example of homosexuality we have is in Greek society where it was common (and got to the point where it was basically expected) for older male landowners to have young male consorts. But it wasn't a sexual identity for them, it was a temporary transition period that they viewed as the natural progression from a boy to a man. It's a very strange practice and it's kind of rooted in how the Greeks viewed the importance of male fertility and how that relates to power but anyway it's a good example that homosexual behavior was not an identity historically, and it didn't result in long term monogamous relationships between two people of the same sex. That's a modern thing.
Yes, Deny yourself, take up your cross (do not let sin against you produce sin in you) and follow Jesus. If i can't find it in His life i don't want it in mine ♡♡♡
I start out and make sure that the individual I'm talking to understands that all sin has one thing in common, it is detrimental to people... Detrimental to themselves as well as to those around them and generations to come. The maker and designer of the entire universe including all life knows exactly how that life works, Instructing us to stay away from the sin is not some kind of power move or an ego stroker it is out of love and concern for our well being not only in this life but in the next.
There is nothing more needed but sticking with true Biblical terms and meaning. You will always get those who try to pervert it, twist it to their narrative, misdirection, etc. Those who do that are fooling themselves and that can lead someone straight to Hell if they try to claim that any kind of sin is "acceptable", when it is not. Many people do not understand that our thoughts and desires need to be corrected as well, but it is a process. I like that they use the real terms of being held in bondage of sin, which is what the Bible states. Our "sin nature" but we have hope, and our goal being that we follow Jesus, deny ourselves of the flesh and other bad habits. This is what it means to pick up our cross daily. We will never get it all 100% right, it is a constant struggle, but the more we turn to Jesus and learn and grow by studying Scripture, praying consistently and without ceasing daily, will help us become stronger in the spirit, and be able to resist temptation and thus, stop these thoughts and desires from manifesting into the act of sin itself. Being a true Christian is not easy. Following Satan and following the world views and just accepting everything is by far the easy way, but it is also the sin way, which leads to eternal death. This is why so many people get mad and upset when they hear anyone quote from the Bible, or street preach the Word of God, because the word of God is like a sword, it pierces our soul with truth, and riles up our spirit which convicts us of the sin. Why do you think so many people in bondage to sin are seen on camera all the time cussing people out for bringing up the Bible in public? Many people get riled up, claim it is "hate speech" because Christians do not think and agree with the sinful nature and lifestyle others are trying to force upon everyone else to accept and support.
It's not the worst sin? It leads to death. It is so important that we tell people to come to Christ and abandon their sins. Because people who are in these types of sin are heading for hell and it's not a good thing to tell people anything different. "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
Amennnnnn!!!!!! What you said is the 100% truth. And people with these so called platforms are afraid to speak the true word of God. Thank God he has a remnant who will not sugarcoat sin! God bless you.
Christopher it’s true that people with same-sex attraction need to follow Jesus. But to add to that, what that means for someone with same-sex attraction - and the very same to a single heterosexual person who doesn’t want to be single - is that they have to deny themselves and take up their cross….and cut their right arm off it it causes them to sin. This means a life of chastity (or for same-sex attracted, celibacy), and it’s no doubt a shocking and sadness-provoking thing to say, since the sexual revolution made us think we NEED sex and physical intimacy to be happy. We have to be sober in knowing this will not initially be a consoling thing to tell many people, and it will not be popular. But we know that Christ is faithful, and also just. Jesus was very clear that there is an eternal consequence to not living a chaste life, and that we will not be given the Crown of Life if we disobey God’s commands. If Christ allowed someone to suffer the cross of same-sex attraction or an unwanted single life, we can be 100% confident God will offer the grace of courage to live a chaste life to those who sincerely try to live it and ask humbly for it. And that GOD HIMSELF will provide the same love and intimacy that we’d fear we’d be missing out on - and probably a lot more as a reward for living a virtuous life when it cost something. And that’s just in this life…how much more in the next?
@@cliffarroyo9554 Just because a man experiences same sex attraction (SSA) does not mean that he can never marry a woman and experience physical intimacy. Such a man is clearly designed for heterosexual sex (based upon his reproductive system). Not only can a man with SSA marry a woman, but he may also experience a diminishment and transformation of his SSA through the healing of the underlying root causes.
God doesn’t love the sinner who doesn’t genuinely repent. God hates him/her. Being a sinner is your identity. Sin in the heart makes you a sinner before God. There is no division.
I think it best when confronted with the question of homosexuality to tell people that it is not what I think about it but what God says about it in His word. If that person is truely seeking the truth of the matter they will search for the answers there. There are many forms of showing love without entering into Eros (sexual desire); Philia ( friendship love); Storge ( empathy love of family and friends); and the greatest , Agape love ( unconditional God love).
While homosexuality is not God's intent, neither is living together before marriage or pre-marital sex. The Lord has the power to free us from bondage to sin and to progressively restore us to His original intent. Set us more and more free Lord!
You said the desire is sin but the temptation is not. How do you differentiate between temptation and desire when it comes to this? Can a person be tempted without desire? Is the feeling of temptation desire? Is desiring it temptation?
I've listened to Christopher twice now and it sounds like what I'm hearing unless I misinterpret, is that same sex attraction is a sin. I do not hear a distinction here between an attraction that is a temptation (and temptation is NOT sin), and an attraction that is lustful. I'm also hearing that we should not just define same sex behavior as sin, we should say that the attraction is also sin. I would like to point out that there is a big difference (and this goes to "defining your terms" as Christopher suggests we do), between attraction and lust. The difference is that lust is a behavior (although it may be in mind only and not physically acted out), and attraction is a temptation. As a married man, I can see a beautiful woman and feel an instant attraction. This does not mean I will dwell on thoughts that go beyond that initial "seeing" of the woman. I can be attracted to many women but not act on that attraction either mentally or physically. This is simply the way men are visually wired. Someone who is same sex attracted may experience the same thing without acting on their lust (either mentally or phsyically). Many of the gay people I meet will say the same thing, that they never chose to feel same sex attraction but felt that even as a young child. I think in particular, Christians who experience same sex attraction, are being done a great injustice by being told their attractions are sinful, when no lustful behavior is taking place (mentally or physically). I would ask Christopher, how heavy of a burden do you want to place upon these Christians. In the model I hear you presenting (again unless I'm misinterpreting), it is pushing these people into a no win situation. They are already facing a life of celibacy which is had enough, and now they're being told they're sinning when a passing attraction comes across their path. We're telling them that they'll never be good enough and that there is really no hope for them. I don't think this video is intended to do that but I did not hear any way out or way up proposed. There was nothing encouraging offered or alternatives for those who may be distressed about their same sex attraction. I don't think this model is well thought through as presented in this particular video.
Just curious, you stated desire is sin but temptation isn't... In my mind they seem some what one in the same, because in order to even be tempted, don't you have to have the desire?
Temptation is a transient notion to do something wrong probably whispered to you by the enemy and is not something you are acting on. However, by choosing to continue to toy with that sinful thought and choosing to dwell on that thought and then choosing to fantasize about it and then choosing to allow yourself to fall into circumstances where that sin might occur (i.e., choosing to hang out somewhere like a bar, or gym, or someone's house or home or a coffee shop where you know you might bump into that "sin" situation) these are all examples of choosing to desire that sin to actually occur. Making these choices ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILTY. Secretly continuing to choose to desire a sin to occur is promoting sin in your life and is in itself a sin.
If you read Genesis 3, you will see that Eve is tempted by false suggestions. Instead of immediately rejecting the temptatious falsehoods, she mentally entertained them. Only then did she see the fruit as desirable. Temptation is the false premise, evil desire takes place when we give it credence. Technically desire itself isn't sin. We were created to desire good things, namely God. So that's why desire is such a compelling force. But, as demonstrated in the garden, temptation asserts that God isn't truly good while concurrently postulating that something else is. And so our desire, along with all the power it entails, transfers to something unworthy of it. What makes it sinful is that the mantle of desire is reserved for God alone, and we adulterously bestow it to another.
Loved his book. Hard to say "homosexuality is not the worst sin" when you see what it produces what we see in society today. He's right, I think, and it's in a particular context that he can say that (eg. A young boy struggling with temptation), but it's hard to say when looking at it as being "toevah".
I agree that we should avoid categorizing sins as "the worst" or "not the worst." We can certainly talk about the degree of worldly consequences of stealing a stick of gum being less compared to the penalty for committing multiple murders, but ultimately sin separates us from God regardless of how bad the worldly consequences are. . I too agree with your thought that homosexual behavior is somehow "lesser" of a sin than something like, say...rape, fornication and adultery. All are sexual sins which we are warned are some of the most dangerous spiritually. It makes the list from St. Paul in Corinthians as something that will prevent a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. And as you correctly point out, it has led to many people accepting other behaviors that are sinful. Once you give up on male/female sexual relations strictly within what God defines as marriage, then a host of other evils come from it. The church gave up the ground on fornication and unbiblical divorce and remarriage in the 1960s, and now we scratch our heads wondering why sexual sins flourish in our midst.
1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Since John was an Israelite he was well versed in the Torah. In the Torah we find that there are sins that brought the punishment of death and there were sins that didn’t. So this is not a new concept for John’s original audience. In John’s day there was the death penalty for murder if one of the groups believers committed murder they would have to let the authorities deal with the sentencing, they could not just pull the murderer aside and pray for him. If however a believer was guilty of sin such as gossip or lying or drunkenness you would then lovingly confront them and pray for them etc. I hope this makes sense. When we read the Old Testament we discover that there are sins that God especially hates and sins that need swift decisive decisions for the good of the community. Then there are sins of omission things we should have done etc. All sins are not equal but we are all equally sinners and sinful.
Step # 1: When speaking to non christian's in general, always keep foremost in mind, the lack of understanding between human nature and the sin nature, in God's eyes, mankind's human nature and his ''sin nature is one in the same'' so if as a christian, you don't have a firm understanding of what is meant by the sin nature, that's your first step, for all of humanity's thoughts and action's only really make sense within that context, as well as the very message of salvation and redemption itself.
Bro we need to surrender to him and born again. And follow jesus. Temptation we always have but we the strength of the lord we can rejected without him like David in the palace we are weak to commit sin. So we need the holy spirit every day to walk in his will to please him. God bless you all from Seattle Wa US ❤️🙂👍
"Same sex relationships are sinful, but they aren't the worst sin." Hmmm... The citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah might beg to differ. God destroyed cities because of it. He called it an abomination.
Someone very close to me is in a long term homosexual marriage. They have both had hysterectomies and are no longer interested in physical intimacy and do not sleep in the same rooms. They both openly and unashamedly identify as gay but are convinced they aren’t sinning because they don’t have sex anymore. I don’t really know where a conversation would go from there.
I would approach it exactly as if they were sexually intimate with each other. First of all with love. Jesus was clear in his Sermon on the mount, that sin is not limited to the physical act alone, but includes the attitude of the heart. "You have heard that it was said; 'you shall not commit adultry.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " Mathew 5:27,28. Jesus came to fulfill the law, and die in our place, but if we are unwilling to agree with God about our behavior being sin, when he declares it to be sin, then we are rejecting God, and Will not be covered by Christ's sacrifice.
@gravitypronepart2201 that seems like a VERY large jump to make, that if a Christian doesn't believe an action to be sin they are now no longer covered by the blood of his sacrifice, would you mind walking me through your examples of scripture backing this up?
my personal opinion on this (i am not sure if i am right), but they have to break this so called marriage (even if they are living with each other), second, they should not define themselves by their sexual desires, third, they should try to not to engage in unbiblical sex.. fourth you should advise them with love
I can tell you that the foremost thing is to witness to all people from the same standpoint. Namely, that we are all sinners equally in need of the Cross. Ray Comfort does a great job with this because he uses God's law in the 10 Commandments. They apply to everyone regardless of their background. Check out Living Waters on you tube, which shows Ray's approach. That is a great starting point for anyone who wants to witness to someone else. When sinners of all types come to Christ and repent at His Cross and genuinely turn their lives over to Him, the Holy Spirit begins to work in them. That is the starting point for any new believer. It is a process. And all new believers must trust the Lord in faith. Where these two women are concerned, pray for them in that the Lord will touch their hearts with the desire to seek Him, just as you would any other sinner. He has all sorts of ways to reach people. Be their friend and they will know you genuinely care and one day they may even broach the subject with you. God bless you.
Their identity should be in strictly in Christ and Christ alone and not in being Lesbians/Gay. Christ is not first and foremost in their heart of hearts. Instead they're holding each other, their Gay identity and their relationship first and foremost in their heart of hearts.
Speaking of defining terms, we need to define temptation. Yuan says "temptation is rooted in our sinful nature." We have to be abundantly clear about this thought, because although Christ was sinless and doesn't have a sinful nature, the Scriptures tell us, "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin." - Hebrews 4:15 . I could easily see someone using this statement "temptation is rooted in our sinful nature" to argue against the divinity and/or holy nature of Christ.... unless we are 100% clear that temptation itself is simply the presentation of something to us that is against God's will. If we immediately flee from that temptation, then there is no sin, but if we give into that temptation through desire and/or "mulling it over", then we are giving into our sinful nature and sinning in thought, if not in word or in action. Christ had no sinful nature: he immediately responded to all temptation with God's Word, and so the Devil finally left him. . I'm also very cautious about using phrases like, "this is not the worst sin". We know that all sin separates us from God, and ultimately what is worse than being separated from God? Rather, I use the phrase, "the sin of stealing a stick of gum doesn't carry as heavy consequences in this life as would murdering 6 million people". That much is factually accurate.
When this topic comes up, I’ve NEVER SEEN ANYONE talk about the EXTREME medical and mental dangers of this lifestyle. Johns Hopkins and the CDC have decades of research done on this issue. Dr Paul McHugh from Johns Hopkins wrote a book on the dangers of the LGBT lifestyle. You can be an athiest and see why this lifestyle which contradicts the laws of nature would be a very dangerous road to be on. You have to hit people with the science as well as the faith so they fully understand why they shouldn’t go down this road.
what about the dangers of the homophobic lifestyle old bean? Bet no one told u that. This satanic lifestyle I bet u support causes young LGBT to end their lives, to break up families, to cause a lack of education on safer sex so it causes so many to die.....it also sends people to hell. But if u wish to support the homophobic lifestyle.....and side with satan.....its your choice. You can also be an athiest and see why this homophobic lifestyle which contradicts the very laws of nature would be a very dangerous road to be on. You have to hit people with the science as well as the faith so they fully understand why they shouldn’t go down this road
Definitely- defining terms, i.e. asking the questioner what they mean especially with certain "catch words", is indeed important. Some of these people don't even know the meaning of some of the words they use. Same on the Christian side- some are not clear on what constitutes the sinful behavior. For example, plain attraction, affection, attachment, loyalty or love to a person of the same sex is not the same as the temptation of sexual attraction to a person of the same sex, and is not the same with actual sodomy between men. There is also a distinction to made between this issue, and the issue of same-sex unions. The first is just love. This exists between friends and family, like between brothers or close friends. This is not sinful at all. On the contrary, Christians are commanded to be such to one another. The second is temptation. It can lead to sin- but is not itself an act of sin. It can be overcome daily, but is part of our corrupt nature. Hence some will fall, but are Christians consistent in the enforcement towards other "sins" or are they being especially harsh/unforgiving towards those with this particular struggle? Why the partiality, when Christians are commanded to be impartial as God is? And why the ungraceful language that some groups use sometimes- when Christians are told to be gracious in their speech? The third is a violation of God's law- to which believers should be rebuked, but to which unbelievers are not subject to judgment from believers (1 Cor 5:12)- as unbelievers will receive their due from God. And remember that whenever you judge others (what more when you condemn them!), that you bring condemnation upon yourself for the same grounds as your accusation- if it is found, and yes, God knows, that you are guilty of such as well. So say, if you are condemning a gay person, make sure in your whole life that you don't have so much as a thought beyond how attractive a person of the same sex is. Be careful! Just the look can count as sin in the heart. Check your hearts before you start wagging your finger at a gay person- or any other "sinner" for that matter. Hence why the main teaching for all Christians is humility, and to avoid judging, because most (all, really) are unworthy (Romans 14; James 4). Does this mean the church should stop teaching that homosexuality is a sin? Not at all. But should Christians try to be more gracious in speech, and not condemning in their approach? Yeah. Some groups are compromising the teaching- that's not good. Some groups are doing okay. Some can do better; but some are just unnecessarily annoying, rude or hostile; not gracious at all- who will even argue that the time for "soft language" is done and that Christians need to be more forceful on this particular topic (but not other topics?). Man, it's like they need to be reminded that the fruit of the Spirit is, uh, patience and kindness...
If anyone reads the first chapter or two of Romans (if you have the time) you will see that sin no matter how small, will send you to hell. The only way to prevent this is to seek the Lord with all your heart and mind. God will convict us by opening our eyes and hearts toward Him. That is why it is by Grace, through Faith in the Word that we are then saved. This is not by our own goodness or works but by Christ. Understand our hearts in its' natural state is greatly deceitful and none seek God naturally. Reading your bible and seeing Gods' Holiness by comparison to our fallen state is a walk in the right direction. Continue in wilful sin and see what happens to you in the "afterlife". Turn your eyes upon Jesus, people I plead!!
When God calls it an abomination, I'm baffled by the description here of, "Well, it's not the worst sin." While the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of Jesus' sacrifice and salvation, it still ranks among the worst. What other sins did God call abominations?
This is good. I know a friend who is a christian and pretty serious about following Jesus. But this person just did transgender surgery recently. I don't know how to respond to it biblically. Any advice?
Is your freind serious about following the Jesus of the bible? Many try to make Jesus into who he isn't. If you follow a false Jesus, then you are in big trouble. Your freind needs to live as the sex he or she was at birth. God made us who we are, either male or female.
I would write him a very loving but very truthful letter, because he probably wouldn't listen to you in person. Scroll through and read some of my other comments for some tips that I would use. First tell him that there is absolutely nothing that can possibly separate him from the love of God, and therefore 100% forgiveness for any sin or mistake. Then mention that you're concerned for his salvation. At some point you can eventually point out that his future testimony {of realizing his error in changing the body God gave him and having not realized that his identity was always in Christ (and not in his sexuality)} will save others from making the same mistake and give others the inspiration to come out of their transgender identity and return to a full identity in Christ. I would expect that he most likely will cut you off socially, so be prepared for that and the probability that he will post your opinion publicly with other mutual friends who may also cut you off too. Don't be afraid to tell him the truth now, for you will be held accountable one day, by Christ, for having had that opportunity today.
Tell them, their behaviour denies God. Tell them, they are in reprobate sin & without genuine repentance, are on the broad path of Matthew 7:14, which 99% of mankind are on, which leads to Hell. If you keep from telling them, which is telling the truth in love, it means you yourself hate God & His Word over fear of man.
@@befunkrn Also don't forget that to say that you are concerned about his physical wellbeing as well as spiritual wellbeing. Transgender surgeries are very harmful on a physical level. Also be aware that even he backs out now he will still have to seek transgender healthcare out possibly gor the rest of his life, depending on what he had done, because he has HAD the surgery. He now needs medical attention due to that and he shouldn't be ashamed of continuing to receive it.
In any conversation an offence is in the ear of the listener(s). We cannot control another person's reaction to anything we say. Truth presented in a patient way letting the facts support the thesis is the way Christ spoke. There is no need for an apology if you quote scripture. If we accept the truths offered in scripture, then by all means share what it states. The question, "what do you think of homosexuality?" has no bearing. What God and Christ say is the operative factor here for a believer. Our thoughts about something must follow our beliefs. Answer that query with the scriptures that describe the punishment that attach to this or any other sin. That question and answer to not lead to a debate as you are finished. They have to decide while under the influence of the Holy Spirit. It is best to answer any question or comment with the truth then shut up. Again, that is how Christ presented things. Stop trying to make what we believe palatable. And stop worrying about offending someone. Consider Christ in the Temple turning over the money-changers tables ... is it possible there was an offence there?
It’s all rooted in the same thing …….lack of fear of the Lord ……the first sentence I remember was the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. No Christian can condone sin ……because God does not condone sin , it isn’t our rules , it’s His rules…….we worship God how He states , we don’t get to make up the rules …it’s as simple as that , and one day you will face judgement, and God will judge you , if you have no fear of that then you have brought that judgment on yourself , God does not want anyone to be dammed . Godless means lack of fear of Gods judgement, turn from your sinful ways and repent .
Great explanation; the ONLY thing that he didn't really address is this: non-believers CANNOT follow Jesus, they HATE Jesus...they must repent and believe and the ONLY way to do that is if God grants them that repentance and belief.
I was asked why I hate homosexuals. The question was asked in such a way I busted out laughing. I couldn't stop laughing I never was able to answer the question because I was laughing. But, I can now, wait..... No I can't
Have compassion. Wield the weapon of forgiveness. Understand that each human was birthed with a soul, and Jesus wants each to chose Heaven, without being forced there, and that some folks may be mislead about their ideas about Christianity. Attractions are feelings… feelings are varied, natural, human, and generally temporary, like thoughts. Understanding that pattern helps lead us to maturity. Disciplining our feelings and thoughts by going to God for guidance from the smallest need to the largest … can help us flee from the temptations of the devil who intends to steer our lives away from harvesting God’s good in the form of blessing. I’m no longer in bondage because when temptation rears around me, I have a savior I can call for to provide an out - in the moment. If I’m disciplined enough to think critically about my own thoughts or feelings or simply pause for a beat - that’s all He needs to enter the space around me and help distance me from evil. Just to know I offered Him that pause in or about to sin for His love to envelop me impresses upon Him my need and devotion toward Him. That is true for any sin. Why should the sin of homosexuality get special attention or follow separate rules than the rest of sins? Temptation can be as benign as not taking care of the health of your body to being mean to a friend, or acting hateful toward them. Why should we be any more mean towards one group of friends than we would be to any individual? Harboring thoughts we might be “better than” them or instructive towards them or not as bad a sinner… is in itself a temptation of ego. Sin is separating from God, whatever form that takes or scale it seems to tempt us at. Separating us from the fruits of the spirit. Temptation to yell at or harm a misbehaving child… to discipline him or teach him… because the world when he grows up will dole more severe punishments… or the devil will after life. We can justify all kinds of sin. Can we face our own temptation? When asked about this question, can we say, “I’m too busy oraying He’ll protect me from my own temptations to worry about yours. That’s between you and Him.” Or maybe, “This question is above my pay grade or level of authority. Ask The Source, yourself, please.” Could we? Would they?
***Please Respond*** What response would you have for people who argue that the word homosexuality has only been added into the English Bible since the 1940's and historically the language used was arsenokoitai, which is not directly translated to mean homosexuality, but more closely "Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God." I have family members who have talked about this and I don't have a proper response. Thank you.
Because of our fallen nature, _For I know that good does not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh;_ Romans 7:8 I perceive that what we call sexuality, is prone to, and very easily derailed. Unfortunately, once derailed we have to live with the consequences of our actions. Some derailment has greater consequences than others. As it is written, _All we like sheep have gone astray, and we have turned, everyone to his own way. And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all._ Then there's God's response. It would seem that God "gave them up" means He just let's us go our own way. Anyone of us can be derailed, even without God giving us up. However, once God "gives them up" pray that He's doing it to get your attention. _24 Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen._ _26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, 27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in [u]their own persons the due penalty of their error._ _28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper._ What ever the cause of the derailment, turning to God thru the blood of Jesus is the only answer.
have u ever tried to read all romans 1? As in context it is obvious Paul is condemning heterosexuals here who used same sex acts in idolotry cults which wa unatural for straight folk, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind.....
@@pastorbri You ask the question: _have u ever tired to read all romans 1?_ > What makes you think I haven’t read, or am not reading (present tense), not only Romans 1, but the entire book, often? Why is it obvious? Obvious, is stating it. Paul does no such thing. Paul is not making any distinction between heterosexuals as opposed to LGBTQ. There were, and are, only two parts to man, male and female. (seed and egg) with one function. Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; *male and female He created them.* 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, *”Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”* Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and *they shall become one flesh.* And so it is. Paul did not have any 21st century nonsense to contend with. In verse 26 When Paul says “contrary to nature” there is no; _obvious condemning heterosexuals here who used same sex acts in idolotry cults_ Find me any passages in the Old or New Testament where the term, heterosexual is used. What is obvious, is that the Jews, due to the OT laws, had no need or use for the word heterosexual. Men with men, and women with women, was contrary not only to nature, but to God’s stated laws. The way to be fruitful and multiply? Now that was obvious. Leviticus 18:3 You shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes. (see verse 22) *My point, was that human sexuality is easily derailed. And there is a distinction between, “self-derailment” vs when God “turns you over.”* Paul confirms my point. Romans 1: 24 Therefore God gave them up to *vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts,* Why? Because they, Romans 1: 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible mankind, of birds, four-footed animals, and crawling creatures. God, did not create in them the “vile impurity” it was already “in the lusts of their hearts.” Why did God turn them over to the vile impurity? Because they, Romans 1: 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and *worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.* What does “worshiped and served the creature” look like? I would say, at the very least, doing what is contrary to nature. Then, Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, 27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. God did NOT create the “degrading passions.” It is the point I was making, the degrading passions were already in them, AND the “natural relations”, IS, easily derailed. Nothing is stated about “cult practices.” In fact what is said is, “woman exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature” AND men, too, abandoned the natural relations with women.” Paul is speaking of “exchanging" and "abandoning" natural relations. Nothing to do with "cults." It almost appears that Paul is making a prophecy to be fully fulfilled in the future, or our present day. However, as I said, it is an altogether different event when God turns them over to their own degrading passions. Nevertheless, the “vile impurity” and degrading passions are within the lusts of the heart. But the problem with man goes deeper. Romans 1: 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them. Let me ask you a question. What makes you think that 1st century Romans or pre christian culture and society, had any of our modern day LGBTQ+ distinctions? As I understand Roman culture, it was based on Roman citizenship and worshiping the gods. The question of who and what kind of sex a Roman citizen engaged in, was based on citizenship and the debauchery of the gods. When the Emperors had sex with other men or adolescent boys or women, he was not seen as a homosexuals vs heterosexuals or as a pedophiles or a man-boy lover. It was just sex as usual. They were given over to “vile impurity” and “degrading passions”, but they were ignorant of that fact. They thought it was normal. BTAIM, God determines what is vile and what is degrading. Man, left to himself loves to wallow in his own filth or, what God calls filth. My point? In the natural, when man is left to his own devices, sexuality is very easily derailed. Some could say it is the natural state of man. And I suppose, that when God is taken out of the equation, it is so. However, God is. And therefore, He has the last word. Forever thy word O LORD is settled in heaven. He determined, male and female to become one flesh. I am not claiming to be an exception. I have had to repent of much, very much. We are all in the same boat. It is the spirit of God that restrains us from our vile passions. God did not create us LGBTQ+ our flesh and our circumstances do that. God created us Male and Female and said be fruitful and multiply. It take a male and a female. But we must honor God, give thanks to God, and acknowledge Him thru Christ Jesus. Jesus is the only way of salvation. And “repent” is the beginning of the gospel. To God be the glory for evermore Amen.
Romans 1:26 says: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: So here we have Paul writing about women turning against their nature, meaning the women Paul is speaking about turned away from having men as their intimate partners. The context is obvious if we read the whole chapter. If this type of behavior was condoned, it wouldn’t be referred to as a “vile affection” to be vile is not a good thing in any remote sense. Then we have the following verse Romans 1:27 which says: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. So in this verse, In Paul’s letter to the Romans, he is describing men turning away from being attracted to women and instead burning in their lust towards one another (other men) Paul describes this desire as “unseemly” again, not a good word to describe something in anyway. Then we have “Receiving in themselves a recompense for their error which was meet” Basically Paul is saying here as a consequence of their unnatural desires, they got what they deserved, which could be a host of things. My conjecture is that their recompense was not only being repulsive in the sight of The Lord but also things like colon perforation and stds. In a time where people had to drink wine because the water was not able to be properly sanitized… According to the actual Bible, ALL scripture is God breathed and approved. So going by this logic it is safe to say that even though the apostle Paul wrote Romans, we can deduce that God, our Almighty Father finds unnatural attraction to someone of the same gender as vile, unseemly and against the nature of the way He created things. You would literally have to ignore these two verses and do Olympic level mental gymnastics to say that the Bible doesn’t outright condem rainbow behavior, because, well, it does. God bless and be well, friends. Jesus loves you. He died and resurrected for you. Get to know Him today and be saved. 💕
But what if denying to hard leads to suicide ??? If heterosexuals can marry with their sinful natures - why can't homosexuals do the same? The answer cannot be for just anyone to live alone. May God shed specific light on this.
Jesus said to deny ourselves, pick up our cross daily, and follow Him. Also biblical marriage is 1 man and 1 woman, anything else is sexual immorality. We cannot worship marriage and deny God’s will if we follow Jesus. Let the Holy Spirit fix this, don’t fight him.
As I understand things, there are two (2) types of law. The moral law that is written on you heart and the Mosaic law given to Moses by GOD. There is a confusion today that I have witnessed when we think all that is required is that we are good (moral) people. Ignorance of THE LAW is problematic for those seekers who want to avoid hell and receive their reward in Heaven. AMEN!
We all were "born that way with a sin nature and can not help that, but when we are born again, putting our sin under the blood, through faith we no longer are burdened with that sin as we now are made new.
"God defines the only right relationship to be one man and one woman for life. Anything else is wrong." Don't try to defeat the tangents. Return to the truth. This is what Christ did when challenged. He replied with "you have heard it said" or "you have read" or "My Father says".
If temptation is not sin but is rooted in our sinful nature, how can it be possible that the fruit (temptation) has a different consideration than the tree it is the fruit of (sinful nature)? That seems a contradiction. Sexual drive is not a sin. We all were created with sexual drive, that's part of our nature as humans. To feel the same-sex sexual drive is not the original design, that's a fact. It appeared with the fall, so one should think the same-sex drive is sinful. Labor pains also appeared as a consequence of the fall... is a mother sinning when in labor? I lived as a gay man for 20 years. I became a Christian 3 years ago, and I am trying to figure out this. If the same-sex drive is sin (desire) where can I draw the line between sin and temptation? Can you be tempted by something you do not desire or have a proclivity to?
To whom it may concern, I was born in the UK in 1961. I am now, 61yrs. Never did I think, we would have same sex marriages. Many women, including my mother have, deceived, hurt and damaged me. I had very bad divorce. But I would still not, become a homosexual. I want a WOMAN..
I take issue with the suggestion that one’s urges aren’t a big deal. Matthew 5:28 tells us that if you check out someone else’s wife, you have already committed adultery with her and 1 John 3:15 says that if you are angry with someone, you are guilty of murder. There’s no difference. So if you experience homosexual attraction, you are already guilty of fornication because there’s no such thing as same-sex marriage in Christianity.
What if there's a person still with same sex attraction & is openly about proclaiming he is gay but does not perform in any sexual acts.....is he still in sin?
As a Christian firmly in the Body of Christ you already made the decision to live your life God First, then family then country. Being God First means Genesis is the bedrock foundation of your Faith. When someone asks you, a Christian in the Body of Christ, what "you" think about homosexuality? Your answer is I have no opinion and as a Christian I defer you to Jesus who will answer you with three words "It Is Written". That's right, defer them to the Bible. They, like us, will stand before God and be judged. When we are quiet we are not tossing a stone nor speaking with logs sticking out of our eyes. It's 2023, we are in End Times. God said he is separating the wheat from the tares. The Body of Christ from the lukewarm and atheists. Choose whom you will serve. God Bless 🙏
Did Jesus say a sin is a sin, murder and theft are the same. That I do not judge as i have a log in my eye so how can i help my brother. I have to love them and give them the good news as I repent my sin and try to be closer to Jesus in my heart and in my actions.
The bad news is that we've each broken our relationship with our Creator. The gospel is that God is willing to effect a complete reconciliation. The question is: are you interested? I bring this up because lots of skeptics and other flavors of unbelievers are happy to run the hapless apologetic Christian through the gears, but from the very beginning the questioner is not interested in being reconciled. And that's a heart issue, not a lack of information about God or Christianity or morality. So save your breath. If they don't want reconciliation, then that's a good place to stop. IMHO
There is no way for a Christian to discuss issues related to human sexuality without treating the pagan myth of evolution with scorn and derision, while confidently asserting and assuming that God is the Creator of the world and everything in it - including sex. So, there is an ought on the subject. There is a natural order to things established by God and rooted in His goodness and loving kindness. Without the goodness of God’s Creation, there is no way to claim that any form of adultery is unnatural or corrupt.
I believe sin is sin and all sin can be forgiven but not the worst? God destroyed two whole cities because of this sin. A sin that is specifically said that God will give them over to a debased mind (Roman 1:28). It is a sin that is rooted in pagan practices. I really don't know if we can rate sin but because of these two facts alone we can say that it is higher on the list. We just need to keep 2 Timothy 2:24-26 in mind when being confronted and rely on the Holy Spirit to His job.
I don't really like making comments but would like to say that people who are truly seeking god and jesus Probably should get really grounded in the bible and get ready for some hard things / questions that will come there way !! and keep in mind that while telling people like homosexuals and others say like atheists ect If it's possible to speak on how they believe without a fight or an argument and can get there points across to people how & why they believe that's great!! I'm not one of those people who are good at that I need to practice what I wanted to say is that no matter how apologetic we can speak please understand that people / Christians will still be persecuted!! and I hope people will stand on there beliefs because I think even jesus and his apostles were thought of as radicals think about this!! they were persecuted and killed for their beliefs
What purpose does it serve to tell someone it's not the worst sin? Sounds like you're giving them a little pass to go ahead with it. The fact that homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible. And though there was much sin in Sodom, God chose homosexuality as the symbolic sin for which He rained fire on the city. Sure doesn't sound like anything to even remotely be dabbling in.
Slavery isn't a sin. However kidnapping, rape, murder and abuse is. If slavery requires any of those elements, then it is sin. Biblical slavery was voluntary servitude or implied consent (being an enemy in armed combat)
@@robertguidry2168 You should check out Joshua Bowen who has written and spoken on slavery in the bible (mostly new testament though others have addressed the issue in the new testament as well).
@@ruthirwin8222 REALLY....homophobia is aa lifestyle of hate and bigotry and lies, and these are not sinful? See, this is why we have 1 tim 2;8-14, more so v.12 because of people like you.....try again. See us real christians we have to care for everyone including those who cross our paths and are homophobics....like yourself dear.
Hopefully it's not a characteristic of the entire apologetics community, but there is an astonishing lack of understanding with respect to spiritual warfare. Maybe because they spend most of their time in their heads and know very little about the Holy Spirit, spiritual gifts and manifestations, demonic activity and its enforcement of delusional ideation, the authority of the believer or new creation realities. Having prayed with people who had been bound in homosexuality and seen them set free by the power of God (vexed by unclean spirits) and even had one say afterwards "where have I been?" the whole thing can be seen for what it is, a very powerful delusion. Love the sinner, hate the sin, but also, don't cast your pearls before swine. You really, really need to be led by the wisdom of the indwelling Holy Spirit to successfully minister life and light to those in darkness and a bunch of intellectual cotton candy isn't going to get it done.
May I suggest in your discussions around anthropology, going forward, that you begin to make distinctions between the nature of being (ontology) and ethics, between the nature of desire (ontology) and the telos of desire (ethics), between what Christians universally call the image of god (ontology) and what western Christianity calls original sin (ethics). The avoidance of, and therefore confusion between, these categories will only bring confusion and unnecessary suffering into people's lives.
Radical liberalism is pushing morality more and more into abstraction owing to the fact that behaviour is consequentialist. In other words, it is less fatal to take a path to dysgenics, in fact, quite the opposite. I like to use the example of taking a shit on the table at a restaurant to demonstrate codes and mores to moral relativists.
Do we differentiate between the way Jesus was tempted to sin and the way we are? In the sense that Jesus was tempted, there can be no sin. The desire is certainly a consequence of the fall, and you could say that the way desire is fed is sin even if it doesn't lead to the sexual act itself. I think there is a way in which temptation itself is not sinful for the person being tempted, but then also a way, once fed, that it gives birth to desire and so on, which are sin.
It's really simple. Everyone has an inclination to temptation. Violent temper, greed, covetous, sloth, lust, etc. etc, etc. Being attracted to the same sex is no different. Just don't act upon it. If it's not moral for a heterosexual Christians to seek to have sex before marriage or after, then its the same for homosexual Christians. Some will say,"But according to the Bible, they can't get married, and ever have sexual intimacy." True. But there are many straight Christians who cannot find a mate, or will ever have the opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex. So they have to carry the same cross, if they want to follow Christ. Christ stated to look upon another with lust in one's heart is just as bad as commuting the act. So is that only for heterosexual Christians, and not LGBTQ ones? Christ taught if the eye offend thee, pluck it out. Stay away from friends and situations that lead you into temptation, whether it be getting drunk, high on drugs, pornography, recreational sex, etc. Love and tolerance taught by Christ was never meant to be a license, or give exceptions to some and not others. The Straight and narrow way He taught applies for everyone. We are to be disciples of Christ, the key word is discipline. Too many want a loosey-goosey Gospel, where love removes justice, morality, and accountability. The real question to ask oneself: "Do I really want to follow Christ, and strive to be like Him, or do I want to serve God and mammon both?"
what does homosexuality actually do to harm God? If two men or two women love each other, marry each other, adopt children and raise them well, provide for them and love them, how does that diminish the kingdom of God? If you actually stop to ask yourself WHY God would outlaw homosexuality when it's a natural occurrence, it becomes a different debate. What is it that actually offends God? why does it offend him? why is it a sin? seriously, this isn't rhetorical, WHY IS HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN??? how does the actions of 2 consenting adults disrupt the kingdom of heaven? How can the kingdom of god be so fragile that the expression of love between 2 humans would corrupt it from within? if your only answer is "because the bible says so" or "because god says so" then you'r not actually answering the question - your passing the buck - your ignoring your conscience and hiding behind dogma.
I think everything he said is great but I feel like he missed two key point in understanding homosexuality, number one the homosexual community identifies with homosexuality as who they are as people not just something they do, for instance as a heterosexual it’s not my identity to be a heterosexual, it’s not my community that’s heterosexual it’s just a part of my life. Number two is it’s lust just like heterosexual lust, many people would disagree with attending a gay wedding but are more than happy to go support unbelievers on their wedding day. These are two things we need to address, combat and understand as believers in order to lead all sinners to repentance as we once were led.
The topic of homosexuality is showing up more and more on all the Christian channels and blogs. The reason is because deviant sexuality is being pushed more and more by our institutions. As believers we need to be careful not to waiver in our morals regarding this topic. Just because it is being pushed and obsessed over by society, we don't need to change our stance on the sinfulness of sin. Even when it is socially uncomfortable, we must stand in the Truth.
Jesus is a gay feminist icon.
sexual sins isnt the only thing that is showing up more and more. So is lying and greed and famous "righteous" bombing of people around the world because they disagree with so called freedom and so called USA centric rule of law. So stand firm against these leaven as well otherwise all these sayings will be nothing but the sayings of hipocrates.
@@tacofacefart *"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment."* Matthew 12:36
Exactly how is homosexuality wrong
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
I think that people usually use this question to ostracize you and try to make you appear hateful or ignorant. I am always glad to talk about it with someone who is genuinely wanting to know what God says about it.
I saw this guy preach at a men's conference. His story of coming to Christ is wonderful
I loved Dr. Christopher Yuan’s testimony. We have 8 kids adopted from backgrounds of abuse. Two became homosexuals. I did not reject them, nor did I compromise the truth of the gospel for them. I told them it is a sin which can be forgiven when confessed and repented.I still love them and had continued talking and visiting with them. The older one rejected me. He cut us off. He called and told me that since I would not support his life style, I was unloving and he wanted nothing more to do with me. I told him that this is his decision and that I would have to accept his decision. He said,” Well, I guess that answers my question”.I told him that he did not ask me a question, that he had delivered his judgement on me and that he is the one doing the rejecting, he is the one exhibiting an unloving,intolerant attitude. That God had given each person the individual right to make decisions whether He approved or not, and that I must accept his decisions even though I disagree with them. He has not had any communication since even though I wrote him twice.
The other is our youngest daughter. She is addicted to sex with either gender, and to drugs.She “ married” another woman then divorced a year later. I tried to talk with them both about sin and forgiveness. She lives with who ever will take her in. She still calls me and meets with me now and then.
Praying for you
You're amazing! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise
"But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and is enticed. Then, when desire is conceived, it gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death."-James 1:14-15.
sadly homophobics engage in their sin though
an appropriate scripture; thank you
@@erikgriffith8857 yes aa great one for homophobics
@@pastorbri I neither fear nor hate homosexuals, certainly not the ones who are my friends or are related. Nice try. Have a great evening.
@@erikgriffith8857 and yet u use the bible against them, are they really friends? Or have u made them up? Nice try....have a good evening old chap.
Sexual immorality has consequences. This is an objective truth and not opinion. As Christians we cannot turn a blind eye in hopes we don’t offend. It’s actually more caring to talk about this for what it is…. sin, then to withhold truth fully knowing the destruction it brings. Following Christ means putting others above ourselves and saying truths that could potentially save them from eternal damnation while knowing it may offend but praying it will shed light into darkness.
Leaving them alone is the least loving thing we can do.
What about people who already know what the Bible says about sexual immorality, but choose to ignore it as outdated and/or judgmental? How do we show love to our friends/family who know and reject God’s standards? I’m asking this seriously. I was this person years ago, but I had family who loved me anyway. I knew their beliefs, but felt they didn’t apply to me. The Lord saved me and is refining me. I struggle with showing love without feeling like I’m compromising, knowing the right time to speak up and when to let things go.
what consequences? what are you talking about? you're a zealot imposing your beliefs on others. Hell isn't real. actually ponder that for a moment - it will honestly change your life. why would a perfect god create a reality that required eternal punishment for people he created? it's absurd.
@@truthinlovemama great question...ultimately we start with the whole salvation/ gospel question because the unsaved can't/ won't recognize sin as sin until God removes those blinders and they are born again. From there it's a huge matter of prayer and letting the Spirit lead. He doesn't want us engaging in every argument or battle-He'll tell you who and when. Really ask for His quickening and He will be faithful to guide!
@@jenniferrundle6870 Thanks for your reply! It is what I’ve been thinking too, but I have doubts sometimes because I don’t want to be lukewarm or cowardly.
What you said lines up with something I just wrote down in my Bible study- how do I find God’s strength when I’m confused? “Be still and know that I am God.” The battle is the Lord’s. Thanks for the confirmation. I need to make sure I am more intentional with prayer, especially when I know I’ll be spending time with people who need a witness to God’s saving grace.
Homophobia has more consequences......far more.....guess thats ok?
I used to have a “sinometer”. I was easier on murder than homosexuality. Then, I went to work with an ex-air force lesbian. She could have been my daughter. God changed my heart. I ultimately led her to the Lord, and she left her partner. We’re friends to this day. It was not as simple as I’m showing it here, but it was a huge lesson for me.
Christopher Yuan would score highly on a "sinometer", since he is Chinese.
@@joshuakohlmann9731 yeah China is still bigly polyamorous and polygamy promiscuity. In the past before 1970s around there not exactly. They weren't much different the atheist state was similar to Islamic and many others. But mabey China is better sexually moral unlike America?
@@IsraelCountryCube I have no idea. I wasn't casting aspersions on the morality of Chinese people, just making a pun on the prefix "sino".
Mistakes are mistakes. None is worse than another and all can be and will be corrected. Forgiveness is the key. It softens our heart and that of everyone.
@@robertdouglas8895 I find it interesting that people will arc on a word or phrase from a post that takes the thread in a completely different direction from its intended purpose.
Well said brother Christopher & thanks Alisha for having him on your podcast. God bless both of your ministries
you know homophobia is a sin right?
Very good answer!
Reminded of the late Dr. Adrian Rogers who taught that as human beings, we have fatal attractions and flawed appetites rooted in Original Sin. This also serves a great backdrop for understanding the uniqueness of Christ in his temptations and Incarnation; that He possessed no fatal attractions nor flawed appetites. The devil tempts us with evil-but Christ, he tempted with good. In Christ, there was no itch which the devil could scratch, save for His righteous desire to do God's will and produce the Father's glory.
here is a better answer, homophobia is a sin
Christ was tempted in every way as we were/are. Son of MAN was his favorite title. Fully human, but submitting his will to God, as a perfect example for us to follow. Go and sin no more.
We need this! More and more people are asking me about this as soon as they know I am a Christian. Its always difficult to talk about it without making people judge and hate all of us (I know we are supposed to be persecuted, but we also dont wanna make people drift away from the possibility to convert)
@Sean M well said!
we aactually need less homophobia.
@@pastorbri no, we need Truth and prayer… and love in general. “Homophobia” is just a word used as an excuse to accuse people as soon as they don’t agree with you
The define your terms part, so important! Very well spoken.
here is a better definition, homophobia is a sin
I got the chance to meet this guy at a collegiate convention at Glen Eyrie in CO, and I’m really glad I got to talk with him and hear his story. He went through and did a lot, and it’s amazing how God brought him out of that! Really excited to read the book he and his mom wrote together!
When someone asks me about this topic, I say that it’s not about what you feel or what you want…it’s about what you actually do. You could be attracted to all kinds of people, but if you are not engaging in behavior with them you are not supporting and actively participating in that sin. You can ask the Lord to help you to not have those desires and thoughts, and that is a part of placing yourself within His will. Ask God to help you to not be tempted. However, if you take part in the behavior, and you engage in acts which support other humans in that same behavior, such as promoting it as equivalent to the marriage of a man and a woman, or perhaps taking part in parades where you are supporting all of the people that you know who engage in the behavior, then you are in a spiritual state of rebellion against God.
"Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." Yep.
Yes, when I talk to homophobics , I say that it’s not about what you feel or what you want…it’s about what you actually do. You could be attracted to all kinds of bigotries like racism, sexism etc, but if you are not engaging in behavior with them you are not supporting and actively participating in that sin. You can ask the Lord to help you to not have those desires to hate and thoughts of hate, and that is a part of placing yourself within His will. Ask God to help you to not be tempted into hate filled lifestyle choices. However, if you take part in the behavior of homophobia, and you engage in homophobic acts which support other humans in that same behavior, such as promoting it as equivalent to other bigoted lifestyle choices, or perhaps taking part in parades where you are supporting all of the people that you know who engage in the homophobic behavior, then you are in a spiritual state of rebellion against God.
@@pastorbri I hate to break this to you, but there is no such thing as "homophobia." There is only being in God's will and not being in God's will which is sin.
Maybe you need to change your username.
If you’re going to say that God is accepting of particular sins simply because it suits you and your friends, maybe you’re actually looking for a different god. Try that one 👉 Just keep in mind that it’s not real when you worship it.
God makes His own rules, and our agreement or disagreement is wholly irrelevant.
“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
No matter how much we may want something, it could not possibly even approach the value of a relationship with God.
@@reijishian2593 God's word makes it very clear that he does not accept sin at all, and if you promote sin, if you try to normalize sin, if you say that you have a "right" to sin, then because we are made in His image, it is right to believe that He is particularly irritated that we are pushing back against His desire in such obvious and offensive ways.
Thank you, Christopher (and Alisa!) this is very helpful!
Dr. Yuan testimony is great. We had him come to speak at two of our events. He is so calm but also solid in his theology, his books and the materials he is working on for high school age kids needs to be promoted.
Homophobia is not great!
@@pastorbri are you homosexual? You seem obsessed with " homophobia".
@@joinjen3854 Are u homophobic? U seem obsessed with defending it!
@@pastorbri nope. I can recognize what sin is and isn't. You seem like you have unresolved issues. I.suggest you get counselling from a born again male pastor.
@@joinjen3854 I have Jesus, thats all I need, clearly that isn't enough for you, is satan your god? No offense. No wonder you are confused what sin is.
The Bible is clear Homosexuality is a sin. Not telling homosexuals that they need to repent is wrong.
An excellent short discussion on these issues and I respect Dr. Yuan and his journey. One point in temptation being rooted in original sin is that Jesus was tempted in all ways as us, yet did not sin. Temptation for Jesus was not rooted in original sin but in His humanity. Just wonder how Jesus' temptation fits in the discussion. I admit that I have not read his latest book on the subject.
Interesting point. Is temptation rooted in original sin? You bring up the point that Jesus was tempted in all ways we are, yet he was without sin and without “original sin.” But also, Adam and Eve were tempted prior to the fall, and so were without original sin, as well. We see both cases, Jesus and Adam/Eve, as having been tempted directly by Satan, that temptation came from outside of them. But it wasn’t sinful until they gave into it. Certainly without having sin nature, Adam and Eve could have resisted, but did not. So is it something else about our humanity besides the fall and original sin causing our temptations? Free will perhaps? I don’t know, but something to think about.
Good point! Also, the original temptation was not rooted in original sin. It was external. The choice to disobey was the sin. I think there should be more clarification here about “original sin”, what they mean by “sin nature” (wasn’t that crucified with Christ? Is he talking about the flesh?) What are the distinctions he’s making? because I think there are discussions around this depending on theological traditions here.
u know homophobia is the real sin though?
I first listened to Christopher Yuan about 5-6 ? years ago and read his very good book. I’d love to hear him in person sometime! Thank you Alisa for this very relevant question.
The thought I’ve had recently with this subject is I just don’t have the authority to override what God clearly says in His word about this subject. And enabling homosexuality is not kind and loving in the end. Though we still need to respond in love in dealing with those in bondage.
Right. And it’s presumptuous in the extreme to think we could be more merciful or just than He is.
you know homophobia is a sin?
@@pastorbri , in what way? And I don’t think most people are truly phobic. I think the first order of things would be to define what you mean by homophobic. Christopher is quite clear in his biblical interpretation and I do not think he’s homophobic in any way. So how would you describe the word in the sense that it’s a sin.?
A phobia is an irrational fear. Saying “the Bible says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of Heaven” is expressing an inconvenient truth.
Excellent discussion.
I'm seeing more and more christians carve out a special hedge for homosexuality. Sin is sin...so in that sense we are all "born that way." We must ALL be born again.
Sexual orientation appears to be a natural phenomena. Humans are natural beings (primates). The natural world comes before any religious claims, always.
@@js1423 which is why we must be born again...no matter our sin struggle.
@@Sundayschoolnetwork Yeah, but no one is born with same sex attraction (that is a myth that sadly has been infiltrating churches). There are early childhood developmental/environmental factors that lead to the individual experiencing SSA. Churches should be better informed of this so that they can help people with SSA to experience true transformation of the underlying root issues.
@@covertneglect3503 amen
I think most homosexuals who ask this question are really asking, "Do you love me?" Of course our view and God's view of sin is not related to the amount we love a person. But they don't understand that. And they won't understand that if they think acceptance of their lifestyle is equal to love. Homosexuals have to be open-minded enough to really have the conversation and not just jump to, "Oh you think homosexuality is a sin so you don't love me, so I don't want to have anything to do with you anymore."
What they don't realize is that our warning that something is a sin is the most loving thing we can do. Like you said, sin keeps us in bondage. Homosexuality keeps people in bondage.
Unfortunately, there are spirits of homosexuality (and all kinds of sins/bondage) and until it becomes mainstream that we can cast demons out of people, people are going to have a lot harder time going against those sins/temptations. I personally have been set free of perversion that I think was demonic because after going through deliverance in Jesus' name I am no longer able to think some of the disgusting things I used to think. It is really amazing. Jesus freed me. Thank you LORD!
If it's not the worst sin, then why is it called an abomination? And why is it listed apart from other sins considered an abomination to the Lord? This behavior, including the thoughts, goes totally against God's creation and His Bride, the church. Stop making it seem less than what it really is!
@I jz I agree! This was a very weak video in more ways than one!
Amen!!!!!!!
James 2 v 10 For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guiltly of all.
I employ said individual. She knows where I stand. Her family loves Jesus, and she says she does to, but never fit in. I hired her 11 yrs ago when I was, unbeknownst to me, a universalist. Please lift her in prayer.
I pray for homophobics
One issue that is prevalent is that the doctrines of sin vary from group to group (e.g., Calvinists and Wesleyans). Calvinists tend to lump all sin together (thought, word, and deed), while Wesleyans differentiate between intentional and unintentional sin--notice that Calvinists have Side B in their ranks. I really like the way in which Christopher Yuan explained it. People should know that struggling with homosexual attraction--not behavior, including the use of pornography--will not get them kicked out of a church or even out of church leadership if they are continually battling it, rather than allowing it space in their lives. We all have sin to mortify; this is one example of it. We must also constantly focus on 1 Corinthians 6 and the fact that any Christian struggling with said attraction has been washed clean and should never call him or herself gay.
All that matters is what God’s Word says.
Jesus himself said that if you hate someone, you already murdered him in your heart. Therefore, even thoughts can be sinful. Celebrate the fact Jesus died on the cross for all sins, even the ones you commit without intending to. Even Paul said he did what he didn't want to do, and did not do what he actually wanted to do
@@PeopleHaveNoGender To clarify, I agree that evil thoughts are sinful, as they arise from an evil heart, but that unwanted evil thoughts (attractions, etc ) are different than those we do not fight against and identify with. We need to continue to deal with them, but they are things that put a damper on our relationship with God if we have them, like entertaining evil (including thoughts), living in ungodly patterns of sin, and identifying with sin.
@@josevelarde4525 of course, not dealing with sinful thoughts is unwise! It can hinder your relationship with God, indeed.
For some reason the tenth commandment seems to be left out of this. This is the lone commandment that deals with thoughts and intents of the heart. Sins of word and action originate within. "As a man thinketh, so is he.". Loving confrontation tries to address the heart issue as the root of the problem first.
So true. I love how Luther's Small Catechism says to repent of thoughts, desires, words and deeds.
but homophobics rarely repent
Define "homophobe."
Jesus spoke to the iniquity - the ability, willingness, desire, temptation - of sin in order to point to the need for salvation in Himself. He was indicating outward behavior being pure is insufficient to define the need. It's good to follow this framework to point to the absolute need for receiving the gospel, receiving Christ.
If only homophobics had no desire to hate would help.
Before they were strangled by wokeness, clinical psychologists had it about right: homosexuality and related syndromes are a form of narcissism, with a strong erotic component that is usually associated with emotional immaturity. It is often associated with some trauma in childhood. There are 1000's of studies to back this up.
Facts....
The first well documented example of homosexuality we have is in Greek society where it was common (and got to the point where it was basically expected) for older male landowners to have young male consorts. But it wasn't a sexual identity for them, it was a temporary transition period that they viewed as the natural progression from a boy to a man. It's a very strange practice and it's kind of rooted in how the Greeks viewed the importance of male fertility and how that relates to power but anyway it's a good example that homosexual behavior was not an identity historically, and it didn't result in long term monogamous relationships between two people of the same sex. That's a modern thing.
Yes, Deny yourself, take up your cross (do not let sin against you produce sin in you) and follow Jesus.
If i can't find it in His life i don't want it in mine ♡♡♡
if only homophobics would take up their cross
@pastor brian
Define homophobic Brian 💟💟💟
The last minute of this was what its really all about.
I start out and make sure that the individual I'm talking to understands that all sin has one thing in common, it is detrimental to people... Detrimental to themselves as well as to those around them and generations to come. The maker and designer of the entire universe including all life knows exactly how that life works, Instructing us to stay away from the sin is not some kind of power move or an ego stroker it is out of love and concern for our well being not only in this life but in the next.
There is nothing more needed but sticking with true Biblical terms and meaning. You will always get those who try to pervert it, twist it to their narrative, misdirection, etc. Those who do that are fooling themselves and that can lead someone straight to Hell if they try to claim that any kind of sin is "acceptable", when it is not.
Many people do not understand that our thoughts and desires need to be corrected as well, but it is a process. I like that they use the real terms of being held in bondage of sin, which is what the Bible states. Our "sin nature" but we have hope, and our goal being that we follow Jesus, deny ourselves of the flesh and other bad habits. This is what it means to pick up our cross daily.
We will never get it all 100% right, it is a constant struggle, but the more we turn to Jesus and learn and grow by studying Scripture, praying consistently and without ceasing daily, will help us become stronger in the spirit, and be able to resist temptation and thus, stop these thoughts and desires from manifesting into the act of sin itself.
Being a true Christian is not easy. Following Satan and following the world views and just accepting everything is by far the easy way, but it is also the sin way, which leads to eternal death.
This is why so many people get mad and upset when they hear anyone quote from the Bible, or street preach the Word of God, because the word of God is like a sword, it pierces our soul with truth, and riles up our spirit which convicts us of the sin.
Why do you think so many people in bondage to sin are seen on camera all the time cussing people out for bringing up the Bible in public? Many people get riled up, claim it is "hate speech" because Christians do not think and agree with the sinful nature and lifestyle others are trying to force upon everyone else to accept and support.
I read his book in German. 👍 His biography. Very, very important. 🙏🙏
It's not the worst sin? It leads to death. It is so important that we tell people to come to Christ and abandon their sins. Because people who are in these types of sin are heading for hell and it's not a good thing to tell people anything different. "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
I agree! This was a very weak video in more ways than one!
Amennnnnn!!!!!! What you said is the 100% truth. And people with these so called platforms are afraid to speak the true word of God. Thank God he has a remnant who will not sugarcoat sin! God bless you.
Christopher it’s true that people with same-sex attraction need to follow Jesus. But to add to that, what that means for someone with same-sex attraction - and the very same to a single heterosexual person who doesn’t want to be single - is that they have to deny themselves and take up their cross….and cut their right arm off it it causes them to sin. This means a life of chastity (or for same-sex attracted, celibacy), and it’s no doubt a shocking and sadness-provoking thing to say, since the sexual revolution made us think we NEED sex and physical intimacy to be happy. We have to be sober in knowing this will not initially be a consoling thing to tell many people, and it will not be popular.
But we know that Christ is faithful, and also just. Jesus was very clear that there is an eternal consequence to not living a chaste life, and that we will not be given the Crown of Life if we disobey God’s commands. If Christ allowed someone to suffer the cross of same-sex attraction or an unwanted single life, we can be 100% confident God will offer the grace of courage to live a chaste life to those who sincerely try to live it and ask humbly for it. And that GOD HIMSELF will provide the same love and intimacy that we’d fear we’d be missing out on - and probably a lot more as a reward for living a virtuous life when it cost something. And that’s just in this life…how much more in the next?
A life with no chance for emotional intimacy or romantic love.... that's not going to appeal to many people.
@@cliffarroyo9554 Just because a man experiences same sex attraction (SSA) does not mean that he can never marry a woman and experience physical intimacy. Such a man is clearly designed for heterosexual sex (based upon his reproductive system). Not only can a man with SSA marry a woman, but he may also experience a diminishment and transformation of his SSA through the healing of the underlying root causes.
@@cliffarroyo9554 I guess the way is narrow and difficult.
@@tlw6932 I'm agnostic... I don't love either.
@@covertneglect3503 Sounds pretty rough for the woman... reduced to being a sex therapist prop for a man who does not desire her....
Folk be linking the sin and sinner TOGETHER... instead of making the real distinction between sin and sinner!We love the sinner and not the sin!
God doesn’t love the sinner who doesn’t genuinely repent. God hates him/her. Being a sinner is your identity.
Sin in the heart makes you a sinner before God.
There is no division.
I think it best when confronted with the question of homosexuality to tell people that it is not what I think about it but what God says about it in His word. If that person is truely seeking the truth of the matter they will search for the answers there. There are many forms of showing love without entering into Eros (sexual desire); Philia ( friendship love); Storge ( empathy love of family and friends); and the greatest , Agape love ( unconditional God love).
God said nothing about LGBT issues in the bible, he spoke about hate though which is what homophobia is.
While homosexuality is not God's intent, neither is living together before marriage or pre-marital sex. The Lord has the power to free us from bondage to sin and to progressively restore us to His original intent. Set us more and more free Lord!
You said the desire is sin but the temptation is not. How do you differentiate between temptation and desire when it comes to this? Can a person be tempted without desire? Is the feeling of temptation desire? Is desiring it temptation?
I've listened to Christopher twice now and it sounds like what I'm hearing unless I misinterpret, is that same sex attraction is a sin. I do not hear a distinction here between an attraction that is a temptation (and temptation is NOT sin), and an attraction that is lustful. I'm also hearing that we should not just define same sex behavior as sin, we should say that the attraction is also sin. I would like to point out that there is a big difference (and this goes to "defining your terms" as Christopher suggests we do), between attraction and lust. The difference is that lust is a behavior (although it may be in mind only and not physically acted out), and attraction is a temptation. As a married man, I can see a beautiful woman and feel an instant attraction. This does not mean I will dwell on thoughts that go beyond that initial "seeing" of the woman. I can be attracted to many women but not act on that attraction either mentally or physically. This is simply the way men are visually wired. Someone who is same sex attracted may experience the same thing without acting on their lust (either mentally or phsyically). Many of the gay people I meet will say the same thing, that they never chose to feel same sex attraction but felt that even as a young child. I think in particular, Christians who experience same sex attraction, are being done a great injustice by being told their attractions are sinful, when no lustful behavior is taking place (mentally or physically). I would ask Christopher, how heavy of a burden do you want to place upon these Christians. In the model I hear you presenting (again unless I'm misinterpreting), it is pushing these people into a no win situation. They are already facing a life of celibacy which is had enough, and now they're being told they're sinning when a passing attraction comes across their path. We're telling them that they'll never be good enough and that there is really no hope for them. I don't think this video is intended to do that but I did not hear any way out or way up proposed. There was nothing encouraging offered or alternatives for those who may be distressed about their same sex attraction. I don't think this model is well thought through as presented in this particular video.
I know several deconstructing young people and their reason is mainly the church's stance on this subject. So sad.
Shouldn't have put in the Bible then.
Just curious, you stated desire is sin but temptation isn't... In my mind they seem some what one in the same, because in order to even be tempted, don't you have to have the desire?
Temptation is a transient notion to do something wrong probably whispered to you by the enemy and is not something you are acting on. However, by choosing to continue to toy with that sinful thought and choosing to dwell on that thought and then choosing to fantasize about it and then choosing to allow yourself to fall into circumstances where that sin might occur (i.e., choosing to hang out somewhere like a bar, or gym, or someone's house or home or a coffee shop where you know you might bump into that "sin" situation) these are all examples of choosing to desire that sin to actually occur. Making these choices ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILTY. Secretly continuing to choose to desire a sin to occur is promoting sin in your life and is in itself a sin.
If you read Genesis 3, you will see that Eve is tempted by false suggestions. Instead of immediately rejecting the temptatious falsehoods, she mentally entertained them. Only then did she see the fruit as desirable. Temptation is the false premise, evil desire takes place when we give it credence.
Technically desire itself isn't sin. We were created to desire good things, namely God. So that's why desire is such a compelling force. But, as demonstrated in the garden, temptation asserts that God isn't truly good while concurrently postulating that something else is. And so our desire, along with all the power it entails, transfers to something unworthy of it. What makes it sinful is that the mantle of desire is reserved for God alone, and we adulterously bestow it to another.
Loved his book.
Hard to say "homosexuality is not the worst sin" when you see what it produces what we see in society today.
He's right, I think, and it's in a particular context that he can say that (eg. A young boy struggling with temptation), but it's hard to say when looking at it as being "toevah".
I agree that we should avoid categorizing sins as "the worst" or "not the worst." We can certainly talk about the degree of worldly consequences of stealing a stick of gum being less compared to the penalty for committing multiple murders, but ultimately sin separates us from God regardless of how bad the worldly consequences are.
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I too agree with your thought that homosexual behavior is somehow "lesser" of a sin than something like, say...rape, fornication and adultery. All are sexual sins which we are warned are some of the most dangerous spiritually. It makes the list from St. Paul in Corinthians as something that will prevent a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. And as you correctly point out, it has led to many people accepting other behaviors that are sinful. Once you give up on male/female sexual relations strictly within what God defines as marriage, then a host of other evils come from it. The church gave up the ground on fornication and unbiblical divorce and remarriage in the 1960s, and now we scratch our heads wondering why sexual sins flourish in our midst.
Not only is homosexuality not the worst sin, it isn't a sin full stop, unlike homophobia.
@@pastorbri Care to talk about it, pastor to pastor?
If so, how do you define homosexuality?
@@pastorbri why no conversation?
@@radvermin1541 yes I wondered that too
“Sinful but not the worst sin” ?? I was always taught that sin is sin.
1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
It says in the Bible that their is one unforgivable sin, which would be the worst sin, and that is rejecting God.
Since John was an Israelite he was well versed in the Torah. In the Torah we find that there are sins that brought the punishment of death and there were sins that didn’t. So this is not a new concept for John’s original audience. In John’s day there was the death penalty for murder if one of the groups believers committed murder they would have to let the authorities deal with the sentencing, they could not just pull the murderer aside and pray for him. If however a believer was guilty of sin such as gossip or lying or drunkenness you would then lovingly confront them and pray for them etc. I hope this makes sense.
When we read the Old Testament we discover that there are sins that God especially hates and sins that need swift decisive decisions for the good of the community. Then there are sins of omission things we should have done etc. All sins are not equal but we are all equally sinners and sinful.
and homophobia is a sin
@@pastorbri define homophobia please
Thank you!
never be thankful for sin.
Step # 1: When speaking to non christian's in general, always keep foremost in mind, the lack of understanding between human nature and the sin nature,
in God's eyes, mankind's human nature and his ''sin nature is one in the same'' so if as a christian, you don't have a firm understanding of what is meant by the
sin nature, that's your first step, for all of humanity's thoughts and action's only really make sense within that context, as well as the very message of salvation and redemption itself.
yes as homophobia is a sin
Bro we need to surrender to him and born again. And follow jesus. Temptation we always have but we the strength of the lord we can rejected without him like David in the palace we are weak to commit sin. So we need the holy spirit every day to walk in his will to please him. God bless you all from Seattle Wa US ❤️🙂👍
this is how we know homophobics are not born again.
"Same sex relationships are sinful, but they aren't the worst sin." Hmmm... The citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah might beg to differ. God destroyed cities because of it. He called it an abomination.
Someone very close to me is in a long term homosexual marriage. They have both had hysterectomies and are no longer interested in physical intimacy and do not sleep in the same rooms. They both openly and unashamedly identify as gay but are convinced they aren’t sinning because they don’t have sex anymore. I don’t really know where a conversation would go from there.
I would approach it exactly as if they were sexually intimate with each other. First of all with love. Jesus was clear in his Sermon on the mount, that sin is not limited to the physical act alone, but includes the attitude of the heart. "You have heard that it was said; 'you shall not commit adultry.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " Mathew 5:27,28. Jesus came to fulfill the law, and die in our place, but if we are unwilling to agree with God about our behavior being sin, when he declares it to be sin, then we are rejecting God, and Will not be covered by Christ's sacrifice.
@gravitypronepart2201 that seems like a VERY large jump to make, that if a Christian doesn't believe an action to be sin they are now no longer covered by the blood of his sacrifice, would you mind walking me through your examples of scripture backing this up?
my personal opinion on this (i am not sure if i am right), but they have to break this so called marriage (even if they are living with each other), second, they should not define themselves by their sexual desires, third, they should try to not to engage in unbiblical sex.. fourth you should advise them with love
I can tell you that the foremost thing is to witness to all people from the same standpoint. Namely, that we are all sinners equally in need of the Cross. Ray Comfort does a great job with this because he uses God's law in the 10 Commandments. They apply to everyone regardless of their background. Check out Living Waters on you tube, which shows Ray's approach. That is a great starting point for anyone who wants to witness to someone else.
When sinners of all types come to Christ and repent at His Cross and genuinely turn their lives over to Him, the Holy Spirit begins to work in them. That is the starting point for any new believer. It is a process. And all new believers must trust the Lord in faith.
Where these two women are concerned, pray for them in that the Lord will touch their hearts with the desire to seek Him, just as you would any other sinner. He has all sorts of ways to reach people. Be their friend and they will know you genuinely care and one day they may even broach the subject with you. God bless you.
Their identity should be in strictly in Christ and Christ alone and not in being Lesbians/Gay. Christ is not first and foremost in their heart of hearts. Instead they're holding each other, their Gay identity and their relationship first and foremost in their heart of hearts.
Speaking of defining terms, we need to define temptation. Yuan says "temptation is rooted in our sinful nature." We have to be abundantly clear about this thought, because although Christ was sinless and doesn't have a sinful nature, the Scriptures tell us, "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin." - Hebrews 4:15
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I could easily see someone using this statement "temptation is rooted in our sinful nature" to argue against the divinity and/or holy nature of Christ.... unless we are 100% clear that temptation itself is simply the presentation of something to us that is against God's will. If we immediately flee from that temptation, then there is no sin, but if we give into that temptation through desire and/or "mulling it over", then we are giving into our sinful nature and sinning in thought, if not in word or in action. Christ had no sinful nature: he immediately responded to all temptation with God's Word, and so the Devil finally left him.
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I'm also very cautious about using phrases like, "this is not the worst sin". We know that all sin separates us from God, and ultimately what is worse than being separated from God? Rather, I use the phrase, "the sin of stealing a stick of gum doesn't carry as heavy consequences in this life as would murdering 6 million people". That much is factually accurate.
Mr. Yuan is so afraid he is going to say something offensive that he can't even say what he really wants to say.
Absolutely! I noticed that same thing! Too bad he's not more bold against sinning against God.
I don't mind offending homophobics, it is a sin to follow homophobia
When this topic comes up, I’ve NEVER SEEN ANYONE talk about the EXTREME medical and mental dangers of this lifestyle. Johns Hopkins and the CDC have decades of research done on this issue. Dr Paul McHugh from Johns Hopkins wrote a book on the dangers of the LGBT lifestyle.
You can be an athiest and see why this lifestyle which contradicts the laws of nature would be a very dangerous road to be on. You have to hit people with the science as well as the faith so they fully understand why they shouldn’t go down this road.
what about the dangers of the homophobic lifestyle old bean? Bet no one told u that. This satanic lifestyle I bet u support causes young LGBT to end their lives, to break up families, to cause a lack of education on safer sex so it causes so many to die.....it also sends people to hell. But if u wish to support the homophobic lifestyle.....and side with satan.....its your choice. You can also be an athiest and see why this homophobic lifestyle which contradicts the very laws of nature would be a very dangerous road to be on. You have to hit people with the science as well as the faith so they fully understand why they shouldn’t go down this road
@@pastorbri Did you even read what I wrote ??? Who are you responding to ? I’m clearly NOT pro lgbt. Read it again but open your eyes this time LOL
Definitely- defining terms, i.e. asking the questioner what they mean especially with certain "catch words", is indeed important. Some of these people don't even know the meaning of some of the words they use.
Same on the Christian side- some are not clear on what constitutes the sinful behavior. For example, plain attraction, affection, attachment, loyalty or love to a person of the same sex is not the same as the temptation of sexual attraction to a person of the same sex, and is not the same with actual sodomy between men. There is also a distinction to made between this issue, and the issue of same-sex unions.
The first is just love. This exists between friends and family, like between brothers or close friends. This is not sinful at all. On the contrary, Christians are commanded to be such to one another.
The second is temptation. It can lead to sin- but is not itself an act of sin. It can be overcome daily, but is part of our corrupt nature. Hence some will fall, but are Christians consistent in the enforcement towards other "sins" or are they being especially harsh/unforgiving towards those with this particular struggle? Why the partiality, when Christians are commanded to be impartial as God is? And why the ungraceful language that some groups use sometimes- when Christians are told to be gracious in their speech?
The third is a violation of God's law- to which believers should be rebuked, but to which unbelievers are not subject to judgment from believers (1 Cor 5:12)- as unbelievers will receive their due from God. And remember that whenever you judge others (what more when you condemn them!), that you bring condemnation upon yourself for the same grounds as your accusation- if it is found, and yes, God knows, that you are guilty of such as well.
So say, if you are condemning a gay person, make sure in your whole life that you don't have so much as a thought beyond how attractive a person of the same sex is. Be careful! Just the look can count as sin in the heart. Check your hearts before you start wagging your finger at a gay person- or any other "sinner" for that matter. Hence why the main teaching for all Christians is humility, and to avoid judging, because most (all, really) are unworthy (Romans 14; James 4).
Does this mean the church should stop teaching that homosexuality is a sin? Not at all. But should Christians try to be more gracious in speech, and not condemning in their approach? Yeah. Some groups are compromising the teaching- that's not good. Some groups are doing okay. Some can do better; but some are just unnecessarily annoying, rude or hostile; not gracious at all- who will even argue that the time for "soft language" is done and that Christians need to be more forceful on this particular topic (but not other topics?). Man, it's like they need to be reminded that the fruit of the Spirit is, uh, patience and kindness...
homophobia is sinful behaviour
Thank you. I love learning about Jesus , wherever the source.
Its repentance,
If anyone reads the first chapter or two of Romans (if you have the time) you will see that sin no matter how small, will send you to hell. The only way to prevent this is to seek the Lord with all your heart and mind. God will convict us by opening our eyes and hearts toward Him. That is why it is by Grace, through Faith in the Word that we are then saved. This is not by our own goodness or works but by Christ. Understand our hearts in its' natural state is greatly deceitful and none seek God naturally. Reading your bible and seeing Gods' Holiness by comparison to our fallen state is a walk in the right direction. Continue in wilful sin and see what happens to you in the "afterlife". Turn your eyes upon Jesus, people I plead!!
Amen!!!!!!!!!!
When God calls it an abomination, I'm baffled by the description here of, "Well, it's not the worst sin." While the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of Jesus' sacrifice and salvation, it still ranks among the worst. What other sins did God call abominations?
This is good. I know a friend who is a christian and pretty serious about following Jesus. But this person just did transgender surgery recently. I don't know how to respond to it biblically. Any advice?
Is your freind serious about following the Jesus of the bible? Many try to make Jesus into who he isn't. If you follow a false Jesus, then you are in big trouble. Your freind needs to live as the sex he or she was at birth. God made us who we are, either male or female.
I would write him a very loving but very truthful letter, because he probably wouldn't listen to you in person. Scroll through and read some of my other comments for some tips that I would use. First tell him that there is absolutely nothing that can possibly separate him from the love of God, and therefore 100% forgiveness for any sin or mistake. Then mention that you're concerned for his salvation.
At some point you can eventually point out that his future testimony {of realizing his error in changing the body God gave him and having not realized that his identity was always in Christ (and not in his sexuality)} will save others from making the same mistake and give others the inspiration to come out of their transgender identity and return to a full identity in Christ.
I would expect that he most likely will cut you off socially, so be prepared for that and the probability that he will post your opinion publicly with other mutual friends who may also cut you off too. Don't be afraid to tell him the truth now, for you will be held accountable one day, by Christ, for having had that opportunity today.
Tell them, their behaviour denies God.
Tell them, they are in reprobate sin & without genuine repentance, are on the broad path of Matthew 7:14, which 99% of mankind are on, which leads to Hell.
If you keep from telling them, which is telling the truth in love, it means you yourself hate God & His Word over fear of man.
@@befunkrn Also don't forget that to say that you are concerned about his physical wellbeing as well as spiritual wellbeing.
Transgender surgeries are very harmful on a physical level. Also be aware that even he backs out now he will still have to seek transgender healthcare out possibly gor the rest of his life, depending on what he had done, because he has HAD the surgery. He now needs medical attention due to that and he shouldn't be ashamed of continuing to receive it.
Temptation comes from Satan. Once I began to appreciate how deadly Satan is, it became way easier for me to avoid the occasion of sin.
In any conversation an offence is in the ear of the listener(s). We cannot control another person's reaction to anything we say. Truth presented in a patient way letting the facts support the thesis is the way Christ spoke. There is no need for an apology if you quote scripture. If we accept the truths offered in scripture, then by all means share what it states. The question, "what do you think of homosexuality?" has no bearing. What God and Christ say is the operative factor here for a believer. Our thoughts about something must follow our beliefs. Answer that query with the scriptures that describe the punishment that attach to this or any other sin. That question and answer to not lead to a debate as you are finished. They have to decide while under the influence of the Holy Spirit. It is best to answer any question or comment with the truth then shut up. Again, that is how Christ presented things. Stop trying to make what we believe palatable. And stop worrying about offending someone. Consider Christ in the Temple turning over the money-changers tables ... is it possible there was an offence there?
It’s all rooted in the same thing …….lack of fear of the Lord ……the first sentence I remember was the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. No Christian can condone sin ……because God does not condone sin , it isn’t our rules , it’s His rules…….we worship God how He states , we don’t get to make up the rules …it’s as simple as that , and one day you will face judgement, and God will judge you , if you have no fear of that then you have brought that judgment on yourself , God does not want anyone to be dammed . Godless means lack of fear of Gods judgement, turn from your sinful ways and repent .
Is there a worst sin ? Are some sins worse than others ?
Very good question! Because all sin results in death! This was a very weak video in more ways than one! I came away disappointed, especially in Alisa!
Thoughts lead to actions. Actions lead to lifestyles. Godly or ungodly.
All Sin is equal in the eyes of God.
Nope. That's not correct.
Ok let’s rephrase in a way you understand…..all sin separates us from God, therefore any sin, no matter the offense, condemns us.
Great explanation; the ONLY thing that he didn't really address is this: non-believers CANNOT follow Jesus, they HATE Jesus...they must repent and believe and the ONLY way to do that is if God grants them that repentance and belief.
I was asked why I hate homosexuals.
The question was asked in such a way I busted out laughing.
I couldn't stop laughing
I never was able to answer the question because I was laughing.
But, I can now, wait.....
No I can't
Have compassion.
Wield the weapon of forgiveness.
Understand that each human was birthed with a soul, and Jesus wants each to chose Heaven, without being forced there, and that some folks may be mislead about their ideas about Christianity.
Attractions are feelings… feelings are varied, natural, human, and generally temporary, like thoughts. Understanding that pattern helps lead us to maturity.
Disciplining our feelings and thoughts by going to God for guidance from the smallest need to the largest … can help us flee from the temptations of the devil who intends to steer our lives away from harvesting God’s good in the form of blessing.
I’m no longer in bondage because when temptation rears around me, I have a savior I can call for to provide an out - in the moment.
If I’m disciplined enough to think critically about my own thoughts or feelings or simply pause for a beat - that’s all He needs to enter the space around me and help distance me from evil.
Just to know I offered Him that pause in or about to sin for His love to envelop me impresses upon Him my need and devotion toward Him.
That is true for any sin.
Why should the sin of homosexuality get special attention or follow separate rules than the rest of sins?
Temptation can be as benign as not taking care of the health of your body to being mean to a friend, or acting hateful toward them.
Why should we be any more mean towards one group of friends than we would be to any individual? Harboring thoughts we might be “better than” them or instructive towards them or not as bad a sinner… is in itself a temptation of ego.
Sin is separating from God, whatever form that takes or scale it seems to tempt us at. Separating us from the fruits of the spirit.
Temptation to yell at or harm a misbehaving child… to discipline him or teach him… because the world when he grows up will dole more severe punishments… or the devil will after life.
We can justify all kinds of sin. Can we face our own temptation?
When asked about this question, can we say, “I’m too busy oraying He’ll protect me from my own temptations to worry about yours. That’s between you and Him.”
Or maybe, “This question is above my pay grade or level of authority. Ask The Source, yourself, please.”
Could we?
Would they?
***Please Respond*** What response would you have for people who argue that the word homosexuality has only been added into the English Bible since the 1940's and historically the language used was arsenokoitai, which is not directly translated to mean homosexuality, but more closely "Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God." I have family members who have talked about this and I don't have a proper response. Thank you.
Red pen logic has a short/video on this exactly. Mike Winger has an entire series on homosexuality. Both are biblical teachers on YT
Because of our fallen nature, _For I know that good does not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh;_ Romans 7:8 I perceive that what we call sexuality, is prone to, and very easily derailed. Unfortunately, once derailed we have to live with the consequences of our actions. Some derailment has greater consequences than others. As it is written, _All we like sheep have gone astray, and we have turned, everyone to his own way. And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all._ Then there's God's response. It would seem that God "gave them up" means He just let's us go our own way. Anyone of us can be derailed, even without God giving us up. However, once God "gives them up" pray that He's doing it to get your attention.
_24 Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen._
_26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, 27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in [u]their own persons the due penalty of their error._
_28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper._
What ever the cause of the derailment, turning to God thru the blood of Jesus is the only answer.
have u ever tried to read all romans 1? As in context it is obvious Paul is condemning heterosexuals here who used same sex acts in idolotry cults which wa unatural for straight folk, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind.....
@@pastorbri You ask the question:
_have u ever tired to read all romans 1?_
> What makes you think I haven’t read, or am not reading (present tense), not only Romans 1, but the entire book, often?
Why is it obvious? Obvious, is stating it. Paul does no such thing. Paul is not making any distinction between heterosexuals as opposed to LGBTQ. There were, and are, only two parts to man, male and female. (seed and egg) with one function.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; *male and female He created them.*
28 God blessed them; and God said to them, *”Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”*
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and *they shall become one flesh.*
And so it is. Paul did not have any 21st century nonsense to contend with. In verse 26 When Paul says “contrary to nature” there is no;
_obvious condemning heterosexuals here who used same sex acts in idolotry cults_
Find me any passages in the Old or New Testament where the term, heterosexual is used. What is obvious, is that the Jews, due to the OT laws, had no need or use for the word heterosexual. Men with men, and women with women, was contrary not only to nature, but to God’s stated laws. The way to be fruitful and multiply? Now that was obvious.
Leviticus 18:3
You shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes. (see verse 22)
*My point, was that human sexuality is easily derailed. And there is a distinction between, “self-derailment” vs when God “turns you over.”*
Paul confirms my point.
Romans 1:
24 Therefore God gave them up to *vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts,*
Why? Because they,
Romans 1:
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23 and they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible mankind, of birds, four-footed animals, and crawling creatures.
God, did not create in them the “vile impurity” it was already “in the lusts of their hearts.”
Why did God turn them over to the vile impurity? Because they,
Romans 1:
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and *worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.*
What does “worshiped and served the creature” look like? I would say, at the very least, doing what is contrary to nature.
Then,
Romans 1:
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature, 27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
God did NOT create the “degrading passions.” It is the point I was making, the degrading passions were already in them, AND the “natural relations”, IS, easily derailed.
Nothing is stated about “cult practices.” In fact what is said is, “woman exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature” AND men, too, abandoned the natural relations with women.” Paul is speaking of “exchanging" and "abandoning" natural relations. Nothing to do with "cults." It almost appears that Paul is making a prophecy to be fully fulfilled in the future, or our present day. However, as I said, it is an altogether different event when God turns them over to their own degrading passions. Nevertheless, the “vile impurity” and degrading passions are within the lusts of the heart. But the problem with man goes deeper.
Romans 1:
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.
Let me ask you a question. What makes you think that 1st century Romans or pre christian culture and society, had any of our modern day LGBTQ+ distinctions? As I understand Roman culture, it was based on Roman citizenship and worshiping the gods. The question of who and what kind of sex a Roman citizen engaged in, was based on citizenship and the debauchery of the gods. When the Emperors had sex with other men or adolescent boys or women, he was not seen as a homosexuals vs heterosexuals or as a pedophiles or a man-boy lover. It was just sex as usual. They were given over to “vile impurity” and “degrading passions”, but they were ignorant of that fact. They thought it was normal. BTAIM, God determines what is vile and what is degrading. Man, left to himself loves to wallow in his own filth or, what God calls filth.
My point? In the natural, when man is left to his own devices, sexuality is very easily derailed. Some could say it is the natural state of man. And I suppose, that when God is taken out of the equation, it is so. However, God is. And therefore, He has the last word. Forever thy word O LORD is settled in heaven. He determined, male and female to become one flesh.
I am not claiming to be an exception. I have had to repent of much, very much. We are all in the same boat. It is the spirit of God that restrains us from our vile passions. God did not create us LGBTQ+ our flesh and our circumstances do that. God created us Male and Female and said be fruitful and multiply. It take a male and a female. But we must honor God, give thanks to God, and acknowledge Him thru Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the only way of salvation. And “repent” is the beginning of the gospel. To God be the glory for evermore Amen.
Romans 1:26 says:
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
So here we have Paul writing about women turning against their nature, meaning the women Paul is speaking about turned away from having men as their intimate partners. The context is obvious if we read the whole chapter.
If this type of behavior was condoned, it wouldn’t be referred to as a “vile affection” to be vile is not a good thing in any remote sense.
Then we have the following verse Romans 1:27 which says:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
So in this verse, In Paul’s letter to the Romans, he is describing men turning away from being attracted to women and instead burning in their lust towards one another (other men)
Paul describes this desire as “unseemly” again, not a good word to describe something in anyway.
Then we have “Receiving in themselves a recompense for their error which was meet”
Basically Paul is saying here as a consequence of their unnatural desires, they got what they deserved, which could be a host of things. My conjecture is that their recompense was not only being repulsive in the sight of The Lord but also things like colon perforation and stds. In a time where people had to drink wine because the water was not able to be properly sanitized…
According to the actual Bible, ALL scripture is God breathed and approved. So going by this logic it is safe to say that even though the apostle Paul wrote Romans, we can deduce that God, our Almighty Father finds unnatural attraction to someone of the same gender as vile, unseemly and against the nature of the way He created things. You would literally have to ignore these two verses and do Olympic level mental gymnastics to say that the Bible doesn’t outright condem rainbow behavior, because, well, it does.
God bless and be well, friends. Jesus loves you. He died and resurrected for you. Get to know Him today and be saved. 💕
But what if denying to hard leads to suicide ???
If heterosexuals can marry with their sinful natures - why can't homosexuals do the same?
The answer cannot be for just anyone to live alone. May God shed specific light on this.
Jesus said to deny ourselves, pick up our cross daily, and follow Him. Also biblical marriage is 1 man and 1 woman, anything else is sexual immorality. We cannot worship marriage and deny God’s will if we follow Jesus. Let the Holy Spirit fix this, don’t fight him.
Also check out Mike Wingers series on homosexuality 4 parts, answers lots of questions biblically. Don’t lose heart He loves you.
I must have missed his answer, if he really had one.
Exactly, he waffled around way way too much! He was way too afraid to offend someone somewhere! Not good at all!
He basically said that homosexual acts were sin, homosexual lust was sin, but being tempted was not sin.
the answer is homophobia is a sin
@@pastorbri When the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.
Which sin is worse? It’s a Mortal Sin, denying the sinner salvation!
As I understand things, there are two (2) types of law. The moral law that is written on you heart and the Mosaic law given to Moses by GOD. There is a confusion today that I have witnessed when we think all that is required is that we are good (moral) people. Ignorance of THE LAW is problematic for those seekers who want to avoid hell and receive their reward in Heaven. AMEN!
We all were "born that way with a sin nature and can not help that, but when we are born again, putting our sin under the blood, through faith we no longer are burdened with that sin as we now are made new.
"God defines the only right relationship to be one man and one woman for life. Anything else is wrong."
Don't try to defeat the tangents. Return to the truth. This is what Christ did when challenged. He replied with "you have heard it said" or "you have read" or "My Father says".
If temptation is not sin but is rooted in our sinful nature, how can it be possible that the fruit (temptation) has a different consideration than the tree it is the fruit of (sinful nature)? That seems a contradiction.
Sexual drive is not a sin. We all were created with sexual drive, that's part of our nature as humans. To feel the same-sex sexual drive is not the original design, that's a fact. It appeared with the fall, so one should think the same-sex drive is sinful. Labor pains also appeared as a consequence of the fall... is a mother sinning when in labor?
I lived as a gay man for 20 years. I became a Christian 3 years ago, and I am trying to figure out this. If the same-sex drive is sin (desire) where can I draw the line between sin and temptation? Can you be tempted by something you do not desire or have a proclivity to?
I’m tempted to scream at my kids every single day. I’ve been where you are, it gets easier I promise.
To whom it may concern,
I was born in the UK in 1961. I am now, 61yrs. Never did I think, we would have same sex marriages. Many women, including my mother have, deceived, hurt and damaged me. I had very bad divorce. But I would still not, become a homosexual.
I want a WOMAN..
The apologetics community? Well that's a new one.
Roman's 1 is just being fulfilled. We re about 1:28 I'd say
I take issue with the suggestion that one’s urges aren’t a big deal. Matthew 5:28 tells us that if you check out someone else’s wife, you have already committed adultery with her and 1 John 3:15 says that if you are angry with someone, you are guilty of murder. There’s no difference. So if you experience homosexual attraction, you are already guilty of fornication because there’s no such thing as same-sex marriage in Christianity.
What if there's a person still with same sex attraction & is openly about proclaiming he is gay but does not perform in any sexual acts.....is he still in sin?
That depends. Lust is a sin even if you don't physically commit any sexual acts.
As a Christian firmly in the Body of Christ you already made the decision to live your life God First, then family then country. Being God First means Genesis is the bedrock foundation of your Faith. When someone asks you, a Christian in the Body of Christ, what "you" think about homosexuality? Your answer is I have no opinion and as a Christian I defer you to Jesus who will answer you with three words "It Is Written". That's right, defer them to the Bible. They, like us, will stand before God and be judged. When we are quiet we are not tossing a stone nor speaking with logs sticking out of our eyes. It's 2023, we are in End Times. God said he is separating the wheat from the tares. The Body of Christ from the lukewarm and atheists. Choose whom you will serve.
God Bless 🙏
Did he answer the question?
Homosexuality is a sin. It goes against God's law. It is not for the same sexes to be together.
Did Jesus say a sin is a sin, murder and theft are the same. That I do not judge as i have a log in my eye so how can i help my brother. I have to love them and give them the good news as I repent my sin and try to be closer to Jesus in my heart and in my actions.
The bad news is that we've each broken our relationship with our Creator. The gospel is that God is willing to effect a complete reconciliation. The question is: are you interested? I bring this up because lots of skeptics and other flavors of unbelievers are happy to run the hapless apologetic Christian through the gears, but from the very beginning the questioner is not interested in being reconciled. And that's a heart issue, not a lack of information about God or Christianity or morality. So save your breath. If they don't want reconciliation, then that's a good place to stop. IMHO
Excellent response & 100% correct.
I'm not sure I understand the answer why can't it be a simple Q. Is homosexually a sin? A. Yes..the word of God says so just like other sins?
There is no way for a Christian to discuss issues related to human sexuality without treating the pagan myth of evolution with scorn and derision, while confidently asserting and assuming that God is the Creator of the world and everything in it - including sex. So, there is an ought on the subject. There is a natural order to things established by God and rooted in His goodness and loving kindness. Without the goodness of God’s Creation, there is no way to claim that any form of adultery is unnatural or corrupt.
I believe sin is sin and all sin can be forgiven but not the worst? God destroyed two whole cities because of this sin. A sin that is specifically said that God will give them over to a debased mind (Roman 1:28). It is a sin that is rooted in pagan practices. I really don't know if we can rate sin but because of these two facts alone we can say that it is higher on the list. We just need to keep 2 Timothy 2:24-26 in mind when being confronted and rely on the Holy Spirit to His job.
I don't really like making comments but would like to say that people who are truly seeking god and jesus
Probably should get really grounded in the bible and get ready for some hard things / questions that will come there way !!
and keep in mind that while telling people like homosexuals and others say like atheists ect
If it's possible to speak on how they believe without a fight or an argument and can get there points across to people how & why they believe that's great!! I'm not one of those people who are good at that
I need to practice
what I wanted to say is that no matter how apologetic we can speak please understand that people / Christians will still be persecuted!!
and I hope people will stand on there beliefs because I think even jesus and his apostles were thought of as radicals think about this!! they were persecuted and killed for their beliefs
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
What purpose does it serve to tell someone it's not the worst sin? Sounds like you're giving them a little pass to go ahead with it. The fact that homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible. And though there was much sin in Sodom, God chose homosexuality as the symbolic sin for which He rained fire on the city. Sure doesn't sound like anything to even remotely be dabbling in.
The Bible never explicity prohibits slavery... so I'm not going to take very much there literally.
Slavery isn't a sin. However kidnapping, rape, murder and abuse is. If slavery requires any of those elements, then it is sin. Biblical slavery was voluntary servitude or implied consent (being an enemy in armed combat)
@@robertguidry2168 It was a lot more including sex slavery.
@@robertguidry2168 You should check out Joshua Bowen who has written and spoken on slavery in the bible (mostly new testament though others have addressed the issue in the new testament as well).
@@robertguidry2168 And how is slavery not a sin? That is.... very bizarre...
Not the worst sin...its an abomination
yes homophobia is an abomination.
@@pastorbri sorry is homosexuality that is the abomination...not what i say but what The Lord God of Hosts says
@@pastorbri homophobia is not a sin ... we have to care for everyone including those who cross our paths and are homosexual
@@ruthirwin8222 REALLY....homophobia is aa lifestyle of hate and bigotry and lies, and these are not sinful? See, this is why we have 1 tim 2;8-14, more so v.12 because of people like you.....try again. See us real christians we have to care for everyone including those who cross our paths and are homophobics....like yourself dear.
Hopefully it's not a characteristic of the entire apologetics community, but there is an astonishing lack of understanding with respect to spiritual warfare. Maybe because they spend most of their time in their heads and know very little about the Holy Spirit, spiritual gifts and manifestations, demonic activity and its enforcement of delusional ideation, the authority of the believer or new creation realities. Having prayed with people who had been bound in homosexuality and seen them set free by the power of God (vexed by unclean spirits) and even had one say afterwards "where have I been?" the whole thing can be seen for what it is, a very powerful delusion. Love the sinner, hate the sin, but also, don't cast your pearls before swine. You really, really need to be led by the wisdom of the indwelling Holy Spirit to successfully minister life and light to those in darkness and a bunch of intellectual cotton candy isn't going to get it done.
May I suggest in your discussions around anthropology, going forward, that you begin to make distinctions between the nature of being (ontology) and ethics, between the nature of desire (ontology) and the telos of desire (ethics), between what Christians universally call the image of god (ontology) and what western Christianity calls original sin (ethics). The avoidance of, and therefore confusion between, these categories will only bring confusion and unnecessary suffering into people's lives.
Radical liberalism is pushing morality more and more into abstraction owing to the fact that behaviour is consequentialist. In other words, it is less fatal to take a path to dysgenics, in fact, quite the opposite. I like to use the example of taking a shit on the table at a restaurant to demonstrate codes and mores to moral relativists.
Do we differentiate between the way Jesus was tempted to sin and the way we are? In the sense that Jesus was tempted, there can be no sin. The desire is certainly a consequence of the fall, and you could say that the way desire is fed is sin even if it doesn't lead to the sexual act itself. I think there is a way in which temptation itself is not sinful for the person being tempted, but then also a way, once fed, that it gives birth to desire and so on, which are sin.
It's really simple. Everyone has an inclination to temptation. Violent temper, greed, covetous, sloth, lust, etc. etc, etc. Being attracted to the same sex is no different. Just don't act upon it. If it's not moral for a heterosexual Christians to seek to have sex before marriage or after, then its the same for homosexual Christians. Some will say,"But according to the Bible, they can't get married, and ever have sexual intimacy." True. But there are many straight Christians who cannot find a mate, or will ever have the opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex. So they have to carry the same cross, if they want to follow Christ. Christ stated to look upon another with lust in one's heart is just as bad as commuting the act. So is that only for heterosexual Christians, and not LGBTQ ones? Christ taught if the eye offend thee, pluck it out. Stay away from friends and situations that lead you into temptation, whether it be getting drunk, high on drugs, pornography, recreational sex, etc.
Love and tolerance taught by Christ was never meant to be a license, or give exceptions to some and not others. The Straight and narrow way He taught applies for everyone. We are to be disciples of Christ, the key word is discipline. Too many want a loosey-goosey Gospel, where love removes justice, morality, and accountability. The real question to ask oneself: "Do I really want to follow Christ, and strive to be like Him, or do I want to serve God and mammon both?"
what does homosexuality actually do to harm God? If two men or two women love each other, marry each other, adopt children and raise them well, provide for them and love them, how does that diminish the kingdom of God? If you actually stop to ask yourself WHY God would outlaw homosexuality when it's a natural occurrence, it becomes a different debate. What is it that actually offends God? why does it offend him? why is it a sin? seriously, this isn't rhetorical, WHY IS HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN??? how does the actions of 2 consenting adults disrupt the kingdom of heaven? How can the kingdom of god be so fragile that the expression of love between 2 humans would corrupt it from within? if your only answer is "because the bible says so" or "because god says so" then you'r not actually answering the question - your passing the buck - your ignoring your conscience and hiding behind dogma.
I think everything he said is great but I feel like he missed two key point in understanding homosexuality, number one the homosexual community identifies with homosexuality as who they are as people not just something they do, for instance as a heterosexual it’s not my identity to be a heterosexual, it’s not my community that’s heterosexual it’s just a part of my life. Number two is it’s lust just like heterosexual lust, many people would disagree with attending a gay wedding but are more than happy to go support unbelievers on their wedding day. These are two things we need to address, combat and understand as believers in order to lead all sinners to repentance as we once were led.