R6 Screaming like a F1 car at 15k RPM+, the feeling and sound is Pure Joy. At 11k you feel like you should shift, at 12k you feel like your engine should be exploding any second, at 13k is when the beautiful Harmony of sounds melt together, sound as one, you begin to feel a Calm Bliss where you KNOW you can get to 16,500 RPM without fear of breaking it, 14k, 15k and 16k flash by like smooth butter as you're in this Bliss zone. Only two machines can make this sound; an old F1 car and a R6. R9 is it's own thing, and that's cool in it's own right. But THE reason why many (most?) will always love & prefer their R6 can never be found on stats, paper, comparison chart, etc.
I4s are amazing. The zx4 will do 16k, the zx-25r does 17k, and the old 90s 250 i4s did up to 20k apparently! (not sure how accurate the tachs were back then).
They are great BUT there's not many young people getting in to bikes now and it's old people who can afford new bikes and they don't want screaming superbikes because they're old. The market for 600's is just too small to make the R&D worthwhile
@@gingercat777the tariffs only apply to companies that won’t make the product on US soil. Used Hayabusa in my future since they are stated to be made in Japan. 🇯🇵
The hard truth is not a lot of riders go to track days and most supersports don't ever see the ride they're intended for. Rider geometry and having to ring out the motor to really get going isn't something a majority of riders want. Not too many people want to ride for an hour and then spend the next day laid out because their back hurts. The fault of the four cylinder decline is a matter of changing tastes for what the average rider wants in a machine.
@@HVACOG Same. You can tell almost immediately who has never rode a R6, I question if they even ever rode a Super Sport. The way they say things, the context of principles, etc. give it all away in their first sentences.
@@JamesFend I have a couple rides on my channel in the canyons. Hardest part about riding the bike correctly is to keep the weight off the handle bars. Causes you to grip the tank with your knees and to use the core to stay upright in that forward lean position. While handling the beast, it’s very demanding on the body.
The world’s developed countries’ governments keep making emissions stricter for the behaving countries, and basically ignore the fact that India and China and Russia spew out so much omissions that what the clean countries do hardly even matters. Very sad.
Back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s 4 cylinders were the norm because with the technology at the time it was the most reliable way to make power but with todays technology we can make smaller more efficient engines that make just about as much power. Perfect example is the 890 Duke R LC8c, with only two cylinders it makes just as much power as an R6, sounds better and has almost double the torque. Smaller engines with the same power means lighter bikes that’ll be better handling and better for everyday riding which should be the market target for companies. The hyper bike market is not gonna keep motorcycling alive, regular, average riders will.
I own a Daytona 675r and had my friends Duke 890r for a while because he was at the hospital for a bit and as much as I love my Daytona, the 120ish hp naked bikes are the most fun I’ve ever had.
50% more torque, actually. But also 50% less RPM. It's really all about gearing because if they had the same weights and the same top speeds in each gear (meaning gearing compensated for RPM), both 117hp or whatever bikes should accelerate evenly at all speeds. Power to weight+Gearing and for speeds over 30-50mph, power to drag. That's what makes a vehicle fast.
@@Ehal256 It is, indeed, very subjective then. Because twins tend to sound better to me (like a muscle car), even though I'll freely admit that fours sound crazier. This is where I think triples strike an equally great balance as they did with size vs power vs torque vs revs. Triples have a deeper sound than fours and a unique nasal tone, but they can also scream out, too. Below 1100cc I'll still likely take a twin 7 or 8 times out of 10 for its other properties (narrow and light), especially if it's a 285-300 degree firing interval instead of the now more typical 270-degree, the disgusting 180-degree, or the boring 360-degree. 1100-1400 is twin or triple for me, and then due to piston size and stroke length(because I want it to rev out, still), 1400cc or more pretty much necessitates a triple or larger. Though I also generally don't even want or need that much engine, so I digress.
I will dearly miss the 4% of rides on my GSXR750 that I was pushing the needle past 11k, I won't miss the hundreds of drives going through town bogging the engine never even approaching the powerband. I sold my gixxer a month ago and put down a deposit for the R9, I believe trading the few best few rides imaginable for much more enjoyment every day will be worth it.
When looking for bikes, before I got my license, I set my eyes and mind on a CBR600RR. The idea of revving to 14-15k seemed so awesome to me. Then I started thinking more, on what I actually want to do when I was able to ride a bike. I thought of commuting, weekend trips, day trips, occasional traffic jams which require lane filtering. Maneuverability, being upright and more comfy while riding etc. I looked into naked bikes, liked the appeal/aesthetics of them. Were more upright, more torque, less HP shorter redline (as of my Z750 tops out at 11.500 RPM's.And I was like that should be more then enough. Got the start date of my lessons and was lucky enough to ride on a CB650R and learned that the redline, specs, agility of nakeds were suited perfect for me. So to all who like the 12k+ rpm's I get you, but literally as Yam says less top RPM more TQ's earlier makes a more playable and fun ride. Still pleeeeeeeeeeeenty fast. Don't ever think bikes are not fast.
Totally unrelated but I really hope I can get a zx4rr before they end up getting axed. I totally agree that a 600 isn’t necessary for the street but the sound of a 4 cyl will always be what I like about 4 stroke bikes. The idea of a 4 cyl that I can ring out and use on the street really intrigues me
It doesn't even have less power than an r6 most of its rev range Not exactly sure, but ya need to rev out the r6 to at least 10-11k to have more HP at the same rpm as the R9 Like sure, you use all of the 129hp of the r6. That simply means that ppl are alrdy doing illegal speeds even in 1st gear
I mean, the 600 in-line 4 is a wildly aero dynamic, 0.6 liter engine with a crazy low rolling resistance. It’s already fuel efficient as fuck. There is ZERO reason to leave the development of this platform for a shittier one. Euro emissions are fucking us for no reason other than to feel better about themselves.
@smith8124 mate, almost every 600/750/1000 when tuned for the typical superbike power output, they get dogshit(for motorcycles) efficiency Look at most 600s, doesn't matter the manufacturer, they can't even to 40mp and get down to almost 30mpg. Same eith 750 or 1000cc bikes Inline 4 small displacement engines have inherently way more frictional losses with more valves, more pistons wider pistons, more crank, lifters etc to sap power/efficiency Don't get me wrong, I love the scream of a full system akrapovic R6 tuned on the racetrack But they aren't efficient and quite bad emissions wise
The R9 looks like a great bike, but being a Ducatisti, my next bike will probably be the new V2. I think you are spot on with the way "SuperSport" bikes are heading and its hopefully going to make for some interesting racing and inspire the manufacturers to continue their sports bike development.
Not just that, most riders with more than 70kw can probably ever get close to pushing their bikes. never had more respect for a rider than when a bmw 1150GS with pillion and fully loaded bags gapped me through the mountains while maintaining perfect lines and no lane cutting. You buy a bike for the corners, not the straights.
I ride an 83 Yamaha TT 600, 1991 Ducati 851, 2000 Banshee, and a 2015 V-rod Muscle.. That SS will click off just as fast a lap as a 1000 XYZ sport bike on most of the small local tracks.
"cant pass emissions" yet honda has a 2025 cbr600, kawi has a 2025 zx636, and suzi still sells the GSXR600. i love yamaha but disappointed. if they really wanted to they could have sold the R6... lets not Bullshit ourselves here
They could of, but the r&d required, On top of all the testing needed for every single market.... all for a bike that no one was buying..... why would Yamaha do it? It makes sense for Yamaha, and the r9 will sell
@ plus R&D on a brand new bike with a brand new engine is a lot more expensive the a a machine and engine that already exist and just needs refining. So I do really follow your point
@LucasSi919 nobody was buying the r6, that's why. It's the same reason Honda killed the CBR 600 in 2021. They only brought it back this year. Same reason Suzuki and Yamaha have killed the litre bike in other parts of the world. I don't know if you've looked at the emissions of the r6, but it's flat out terrible. The rework required probably far outweighs the benefit for how many they'll sell. It's alot easier to justify it for an r9, one because they have to for being able to race it, but two, it's gonna sell like crazy
I absolutely love wringing out my ZX4rr. I get the twin and triple engines, but they don’t have the excitement that a high rev four has. Torque is completely overrated
Triumph Sprint 1050 3-cylinder rider here, very stoked considering 600s are out and 3 cylinders sound the coolest. Been waiting for a sport version of the mt09
Great vid. Putting a whole line of bikes in perspective in relation to each other. You gotta know a lot to do that. Great job. I love the percentages as to how much is racing or street. This is a great vid and one of your best.
Being a former Mt-09 rider from 2021 it really is cool to see an R9. I guess depending on the track, either can be stronger. I’m by far an expert but have ridden both. Top speed R6, torque MT-09. It would fun to watch a match up in different ways.
Im a little over a year in on my CB650R, 28000 km and while its a lovely machine I want more. Keeping this as a daily commuter or when Im taking a passenger and getting a ZX10R early next year.
@@faustosanchez6874 No man, you need to find some kind of contentment in life, quit blaming "machine manufacturers" for your lack of satisfaction, or short attention span, or your getting bored quickly, or needing thrills back to back to be happy. If I could stuff you in a time machine back to the 1970's, you'd realize quickly how silly the attitude is.
Damn when did Yam record this video? New V2 was announced like 3 days ago. Tho I understand making the script, recording and editing takes more time than that so, makes sense. So my comment is pointless😅
Waiting for Kawasaki to follow up with a ZX9R based off the Z900. Not because I want it. But because the 900cc class seems to be the way the supersports are going. R9, 990 RC R. So why not?
As a Z900 rider, they’ll need some R&D. The engine is great, butter smooth and has a plateau flat torque curve. But the gearing is hilariously short, and it needs to lose a few lbs…
@ with weight seeming to be a track only concern and that concern being an afterthought for manufacturers (marketing be damned), I’m sure they’ll say it’s 5% lighter, 15% stiffer and not really bother with much else.
Brother did u even watch the video lol? They already have a 1000 inline 4. And in the supersport class inline 4s have to be limited to 600 and they already have a 636. Triples and twins are allowed to compete at the supersport class with 850-900cc because they have less cylinders. Hence why they r being made in those ccs. There is literally no reason to have a 900cc inline four from kawasaki. The z900 engine makes less hp then the 636 too. Its trash
In British Supersport the 600’s still win. Honda has a new cbr600rr which is what I would buy if I was still a rider. I never got on with big twins, although the Ducati 749 I had was good. I’d have an 848 if I was going that route.
Wish you saw the new panigale v2 before you recorded this video. The r9, 990 rcr, pani v2 are all so similar in power now. Based on how the manufacturers talk about them it seems they were all built with street riding in mind also. They also all claim to be starting the new era of supersports lol. People hate them, but these are the options being handed to us nowadays.
I think it seems like everyone hates the new era SS, but it’s probably because the few are vocal about it. I own a SS950S. I chose it over a Panigale because of riding position and the SS having more street manners. These types of bikes make sense for those of us that only have time for spirited weekend rides near-ish to the house .
I see the motorcycle industry following in the same footsteps as the car industry… I feel like in the near future we’re gonna see smaller motors that are supercharged or turbocharged rather than seeing larger displacement. They already are trying this with Kawasaki with the 400cc inline 4, while it’s not boosted it’s still the same direction I think they’re heading in.
Conceptually the new supersport category will be so fun to ride and way better than in line 4 cylinder, the only problem they have is that generally they look like shit, from wings to chinese-oriental design, oh man freaking terrible .. I miss the design of old supersport bikes (early and mid 2000s, even something from 90s). We desperately need a mix of both things
Inline 4 is da wae, was looking at a newer bike for my next upgrade but ended up buying a low mile 08 fz6, those inline 4 hogh rpm screamers are just something else
@ I would 100% get the 2025 r9. It will perform same as a zx6r plus get all the bells and whistles that are additional for zx6r. Well zx6r does not have an option for cruise control,have to buy after market up and down auto blip quick shifter(zx6r only has up quick shifts) lean control,abs(zx6r that’s around 1500 on base model) i know that guys don’t really like it however if it’s your street bike I rather have and not every use or need then need and not have. My 2019 has it and I’ve never engaged it in 13000 miles on street even with a few emergency braking situation but I like the feeling that if ever i panic and forget my training I have something else looking out. Sorry for the long post but 2 wheels always makes me excited. Let it be known bmw s1000r is my dream bike, and I own a ninja good value is good value
@@Gchild-mos0311 I prefer a long and informed reply so thanks. More info leads to a better informed decision. I’ll look more into the R9, 25’ S1k and panigale V2
The KTM ‘990’ is actually 947cc. The great thing about next gen rules for supersport is there are no strictly defined rules for displacement. Instead it’s HP, weight and other factors. So the 955cc Ducati is severely retuned so that the very well hopped up 599cc R6 can still be similar in terms of peak hp output. The KTM could certainly race if they would get it homologated. There’s nothing in the rules keeping it from being raced.
I'm getting one, a R9, it looks great. + The typical inline 4 sounds mad boring these days. The extra revs and intake will make that cp3 sound even more mental.
r6 squid here, i love the fact thyere making some cool new bikes but i do love my r6 and ill rig=de it till i total it or get a sweet deal on an r1 or mt10
This bike is made for people like me who want to track once in a while and mostly street for fun. Definitely my kidn of bike being not super aggressive position.
Whenever I would ride my friends 600s in college I felt like I was riding a really uncomfortable scooter. They thought it was “crazy” when they would power wheelie in first gear at 35 mph after installing a larger rear sprocket. Meanwhile my FZ09 / MT09 would do it up to 3rd gear at 55-60 mph. I would also track a gsxr 600 it felt boring. No torque. Just screaming. Not to mention passing up the 600 riders all day on the track with the FZ09. I will say that my flashed 21’ MT09 will top out at 155mph. Not bad at all.
@jackpistone8015 I can clutch up a wheelie on any stock 600 in 3rd gear. I love all bikes and motor configurations. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages. Everything in between is all opinion. In current times the Japanese manufacturers are putting more R&D into electronic tech then power output. Everyone wants versatility. A triple motor you know best suits the in-between high end of a Inline-4 and the low end of a twin. But it doesn't excel in either department. It lacks the high end of a 4, and doesn't have the low end grunt of a twin with similar displacement. But a liter bike motor with an Inline-4 on a naked bike chasis does have higher torque and HP output. It's just a different riding style. There is no best. Everyone is so full of shit from getting brainwashed by internet and marketing hype.
Modern super sport where Ducati can bring a (throttle limited) 955 to compete with 600cc bikes. Ducati's dominant in wssp, it's powering less superior rider to title fights in moto America
Have you ever done a deep dive into throttle limiting in motorsport? Wouldn't a larger displacement bike have an advantage at lower throttle levels? Do they over-nerf the top end to make up for the low end advantage? Seems like a quagmire.
And what about the Honda CBR600RR and the Kawasaki ZX-6R, those are 600s that rev to almost 15k; those a are also available new and they are great!! Around same price too here in europe...
The inline 4 remains nice because of the balance it has. With counterweights to compensate for the secondary imbalance, it features the least likely engine configuration to rattle to pieces when you wring out the throttle. That being said, it's really only suited for the track + due to the greater amount of pistons, fuel economy reduces exponentially (the tiny gaps between piston and cylinder wall are lost volume) Then again, do we buy motorcycles for their practicality?
It's dawned on me recently the euro5 is good for the future - the new euro5 bikes aren't quite as good, but they are very good.... And with going the route of more displacement and lower compression means longer life engines.
Unfortunately for Yamaha “pretty damn sporty” isn’t the standard set over the last few decades for proper supersports…the distinction between sport and supersport is not supposed to just be marketing hype. These are supposed to be a class of proper homologated race bikes. Losing that is a tragedy imo. Nothing wrong with the R9…but losing this special category of bike is surely a loss.
Basically it’s a katana not an actual homologated supersport. Recognizing this distinction is not in any way supposed to suggest that 600 & 1000cc supersports are anywhere near ideal for the road, that was never the point, in fact quite the opposite…most of the appeal was that these were proper track machines that we the few insane enthusiasts who chose to do so, COULD enjoy on the road. Back in the day we had proper lineups from Yamaha and Honda etc. we had the r6 but then we also had much softer “sport bikes” that weren’t trying to be super sports but were sporty road bikes. Apparently in 2024 manufacturers want people to pick ONE option of the two and if the one you chose is a super sport then you’re SOL
They all know the inline 4 is maxed out so they must introduce something else; Much like the 2 stroke dirtbike. They introduced the 4 strokes that have much more power. It just takes time. I'll keep my k7 600 and have fun blasting that around and having fun.
600s have their own purposes so do 1000’s. Nothing is going to replace also realize that even if brands stop making them cause of “emisson regulations for motorcycles” (even though cars are the real issue) we can still buy used ones you know? 600s are perfectly in the middle between something like an R9 and liter bikes
I live on a small island called Malta, here everything is quite limiting due to taxes and shit but a 2008 r6 costs twice as much as the r1. The r9 better maybe but not the same thing for sure.
Hope the insurance isn’t too expensive to see if I can upgrade from my trident 660. I really like the way this one looks but want to sit on it first to see if isn’t too sporty 😂.
If you’re talking about track that makes sense, however road wise? Not only is the R9 going to be more reliable but also it’s not going to be geared towards track only specs, as the Panigale, well Italian bikes speak for themselves man, wouldn’t surprise me if you have an oil leak in the first 2 months of ownership.
@lofee.r7 Not wrong but the concept of r9 imo is geared more towards track than road especially compared to Striple RS, and I can get a Striple for heaps less money, which is also gonna be heaps better for road, or get literally anything that isn't brand new for track for like 1/3rd of the price unless I got a Panigale (why would you ever get a brand new bike for track), even a track r1. I seriously doubt the r9 in Aus is going to do as well as r7 because its whole concept is designed to trick newbies with tiktok brains, it's insanely overpriced, and it's a downgrade from everything in its price point for track. So its product placement in Aus is a luxury product with less quality than triumph yet costs more, just so the buyer can look at American social media and feel good about themselves. The fact that bikes are getting more expensive yet worse is insulting, and it raises the price of second hand bikes.
Scholtz took MA SBK on an R6, but PJ was TOUGH on the Duc this year, curious to see what Scholtz and other R6 riders do in 2025. I'm curious to see how well the r9 does on track, I have ridden my GFs MT09 on track, and motor wise, it's a fun bike on the smaller tracks we typically run (up in the midwest) but the ergo on the mt on track is bad. I have 2 X R6 (05 and 06) in the track trailer, so getting a little long in the tooth. I'd like to get a newer track bike at some point, and the R9 might fit the bill, since I'm just not ready to start shelling out tyre money for an R1 lol. But... The 2025 Panagali V2 isn't "that" much more than the R9 (base V2, not V2s) Going to be an interesting 2025 for sure.....
Never thought I’d say I am glad to be older. Growing up with CBR600F2s, YZFs, ZX6 and the good old FZR in 600cc for beginners bikes(some had FZR400s). Everyone wanted to race WERA and we had a blast. AMA getting bought by NASCAR and the stretched and slammed crowds kinda killed it. People got tired of being harassed and would never be near the squids. Racing got way too expensive and track days shot up because of track insurance and the lack of riders.
I’m very lucky to have both (kind of) a cbr600 f3 that I can scream the nuts off (not R6 or zxr400 territory but still fun) and a Ducati super sport 950 which is much faster and far superior to my 600 in every respect, I’m 61, been riding since I was 16 and I still can’t get away from revving out a 4 cylinder bike to within an inch of it’s life ! 😀😀
@philipthody5007 I'm 48 and the same way. I wished I had my old F2 or F3. I did keep a R6. It's still fun. Carbed bikes are still fun. Especially win flat slides and pipes are added 😆 🤣. V-twin sport bikes are still my favorites. There is something soulful about older analog bikes.
Hi, Started out this year in August on a 2009 Vstrom 650 and its been a lot of fun. I have some nitpicks with the ergos like the peg position and low lean angle "my tailbone was shattered and my wrist had surgery and aches if I dont keep pressure on it" so im thinking for my second bike getting a sport as I feel for me it would actually be more comfortable. The GSX-8R rn is the bike im most likely gonna get as my second perma bike however if the RC990R is reasonably priced I may consider getting it instead. The plan is to trade in around October next year. Do you think these new supersports would be doable as a second bike if you are responsible or is it a bad idea?
Ugh, really? Because all the used 600's I see near me have absurd prices on them. New they cost a fortune, and, if you want to race or are building a track bike, the 600 is still one of (if not the) top choices. They are very rarely available in my area, and, when they are, man, they are expensive!!
R6 Screaming like a F1 car at 15k RPM+, the feeling and sound is Pure Joy. At 11k you feel like you should shift, at 12k you feel like your engine should be exploding any second, at 13k is when the beautiful Harmony of sounds melt together, sound as one, you begin to feel a Calm Bliss where you KNOW you can get to 16,500 RPM without fear of breaking it, 14k, 15k and 16k flash by like smooth butter as you're in this Bliss zone.
Only two machines can make this sound; an old F1 car and a R6.
R9 is it's own thing, and that's cool in it's own right. But THE reason why many (most?) will always love & prefer their R6 can never be found on stats, paper, comparison chart, etc.
I4s are amazing.
The zx4 will do 16k, the zx-25r does 17k, and the old 90s 250 i4s did up to 20k apparently! (not sure how accurate the tachs were back then).
@@Ehal256 True true, ZXR series do sound amazing, they turn my head all the time.
They are great BUT there's not many young people getting in to bikes now and it's old people who can afford new bikes and they don't want screaming superbikes because they're old. The market for 600's is just too small to make the R&D worthwhile
Well said.
@@JamesFend this man understands.
I was going to look into an R9 and then Honda said hold my beer and teased that V3 concept.
Don't forget 10 days later Kawasaki announced a modern z900 .... For less money
A supercharged V3 🔥
honda, v3, what did I miss?
Yamaha is also ready with turbocharged cp3 engine for 2026 when EU announces new emission rules. 180hp from cp3.
@@foodmaniac9339 Is this true?
Honda actually found out how to use the empty space behind the parallel twin engine and made a v3... I cannot wait!
Just throw the computer and stuff in there
Wait for the tariffs kiddo
because it's cheaper than a v4. stop acting like they are doing you a favor by cheaping out.
that space is actually reserved for the AMT system, which is on the new mt09 already, Yamaha just didn’t bother to fix the empty space
@@gingercat777the tariffs only apply to companies that won’t make the product on US soil. Used Hayabusa in my future since they are stated to be made in Japan. 🇯🇵
Dont forget Honda just released a video about V3 with supercharger concept
Concepts don't go very fast.
@@neonsheep3358 Honda has stated that they will be putting that engine in some of their 2026 bikes.
It's not really a supercharger, just a low pressure electric blower. It'll still be cool though
It's a forced induction V3. It will definitely sound very unique. It's apparently confirmed for mass production as well.
The hard truth is not a lot of riders go to track days and most supersports don't ever see the ride they're intended for. Rider geometry and having to ring out the motor to really get going isn't something a majority of riders want. Not too many people want to ride for an hour and then spend the next day laid out because their back hurts. The fault of the four cylinder decline is a matter of changing tastes for what the average rider wants in a machine.
Well put..You've earned a thumbs up!
I bought the zx6r 636 and it took awhile to get used to geometry. Now I can ride for 100 miles and not be too sore. Hahahaha
R6 Screams. F1 Blissful Joy.
@@HVACOG Same. You can tell almost immediately who has never rode a R6, I question if they even ever rode a Super Sport. The way they say things, the context of principles, etc. give it all away in their first sentences.
@@JamesFend I have a couple rides on my channel in the canyons. Hardest part about riding the bike correctly is to keep the weight off the handle bars. Causes you to grip the tank with your knees and to use the core to stay upright in that forward lean position. While handling the beast, it’s very demanding on the body.
The world’s developed countries’ governments keep making emissions stricter for the behaving countries, and basically ignore the fact that India and China and Russia spew out so much omissions that what the clean countries do hardly even matters. Very sad.
We need more zx4rr competition. Love the screaming small 4s
I was seriously hoping for a yamaha r4 or something, but the r3 refresh and r9 honestly seem really solid.
I think Honda is working on a CBR400R 4 cylinder
By the time you uncork a 400......
You've spent more money than a ZX-6R.
Back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s 4 cylinders were the norm because with the technology at the time it was the most reliable way to make power but with todays technology we can make smaller more efficient engines that make just about as much power. Perfect example is the 890 Duke R LC8c, with only two cylinders it makes just as much power as an R6, sounds better and has almost double the torque. Smaller engines with the same power means lighter bikes that’ll be better handling and better for everyday riding which should be the market target for companies. The hyper bike market is not gonna keep motorcycling alive, regular, average riders will.
I own a Daytona 675r and had my friends Duke 890r for a while because he was at the hospital for a bit and as much as I love my Daytona, the 120ish hp naked bikes are the most fun I’ve ever had.
50% more torque, actually. But also 50% less RPM. It's really all about gearing because if they had the same weights and the same top speeds in each gear (meaning gearing compensated for RPM), both 117hp or whatever bikes should accelerate evenly at all speeds. Power to weight+Gearing and for speeds over 30-50mph, power to drag. That's what makes a vehicle fast.
Sounds better than an r6 lol
I realize it's subjective, but no twin sounds as good as a four to me, not even close.
@@Ehal256 It is, indeed, very subjective then. Because twins tend to sound better to me (like a muscle car), even though I'll freely admit that fours sound crazier. This is where I think triples strike an equally great balance as they did with size vs power vs torque vs revs. Triples have a deeper sound than fours and a unique nasal tone, but they can also scream out, too.
Below 1100cc I'll still likely take a twin 7 or 8 times out of 10 for its other properties (narrow and light), especially if it's a 285-300 degree firing interval instead of the now more typical 270-degree, the disgusting 180-degree, or the boring 360-degree. 1100-1400 is twin or triple for me, and then due to piston size and stroke length(because I want it to rev out, still), 1400cc or more pretty much necessitates a triple or larger. Though I also generally don't even want or need that much engine, so I digress.
I will never miss 600cc bikes. The new era is upon us and it’s exciting.
have you ever even ridden one
I will dearly miss the 4% of rides on my GSXR750 that I was pushing the needle past 11k, I won't miss the hundreds of drives going through town bogging the engine never even approaching the powerband. I sold my gixxer a month ago and put down a deposit for the R9, I believe trading the few best few rides imaginable for much more enjoyment every day will be worth it.
I miss my r6 but the r9 will probably be way better in the street
When looking for bikes, before I got my license, I set my eyes and mind on a CBR600RR. The idea of revving to 14-15k seemed so awesome to me.
Then I started thinking more, on what I actually want to do when I was able to ride a bike. I thought of commuting, weekend trips, day trips, occasional traffic jams which require lane filtering. Maneuverability, being upright and more comfy while riding etc. I looked into naked bikes, liked the appeal/aesthetics of them. Were more upright, more torque, less HP shorter redline (as of my Z750 tops out at 11.500 RPM's.And I was like that should be more then enough.
Got the start date of my lessons and was lucky enough to ride on a CB650R and learned that the redline, specs, agility of nakeds were suited perfect for me.
So to all who like the 12k+ rpm's I get you, but literally as Yam says less top RPM more TQ's earlier makes a more playable and fun ride. Still pleeeeeeeeeeeenty fast. Don't ever think bikes are not fast.
Totally unrelated but I really hope I can get a zx4rr before they end up getting axed. I totally agree that a 600 isn’t necessary for the street but the sound of a 4 cyl will always be what I like about 4 stroke bikes. The idea of a 4 cyl that I can ring out and use on the street really intrigues me
I agree with that sentiment. You should try looking for a used ZXR250 as well. They sound incredible
Incoming salty 600 riders.
I just think these people who complain about slightly less power just don’t know how to ride well
It doesn't even have less power than an r6 most of its rev range
Not exactly sure, but ya need to rev out the r6 to at least 10-11k to have more HP at the same rpm as the R9
Like sure, you use all of the 129hp of the r6. That simply means that ppl are alrdy doing illegal speeds even in 1st gear
Things are changing and im NOT liking it. Things must stay the same FOREVER
I mean, the 600 in-line 4 is a wildly aero dynamic, 0.6 liter engine with a crazy low rolling resistance. It’s already fuel efficient as fuck. There is ZERO reason to leave the development of this platform for a shittier one. Euro emissions are fucking us for no reason other than to feel better about themselves.
@smith8124 mate, almost every 600/750/1000 when tuned for the typical superbike power output, they get dogshit(for motorcycles) efficiency
Look at most 600s, doesn't matter the manufacturer, they can't even to 40mp and get down to almost 30mpg. Same eith 750 or 1000cc bikes
Inline 4 small displacement engines have inherently way more frictional losses with more valves, more pistons wider pistons, more crank, lifters etc to sap power/efficiency
Don't get me wrong, I love the scream of a full system akrapovic R6 tuned on the racetrack
But they aren't efficient and quite bad emissions wise
The R9 looks like a great bike, but being a Ducatisti, my next bike will probably be the new V2. I think you are spot on with the way "SuperSport" bikes are heading and its hopefully going to make for some interesting racing and inspire the manufacturers to continue their sports bike development.
3 cilinders way to go. Much more character, more fun, less weight, less space. 900cc is a great place to be. Yamaha leads the way.
RIP R6, you will be missed.Often imitated, never duplicated.
R9 for the daily. R6 for the track. R1 for the Sunday morning blast to make you feel alive. That's how I'm seeing it.
i need a blast every weekday morning to make me feel alive before i get to my dead end job, thats why i use r1 for daily commute 😉
@@toomuchcherry544 I totally agree. The R1 makes you feel alive to the extreme. Just wish I had the weather to use it more.
Most riders who cry about the "death" of 600s don't/hardly ever do track days nor can ANY of them push it to the limits.
Not just that, most riders with more than 70kw can probably ever get close to pushing their bikes. never had more respect for a rider than when a bmw 1150GS with pillion and fully loaded bags gapped me through the mountains while maintaining perfect lines and no lane cutting. You buy a bike for the corners, not the straights.
So? Didn’t know you had to ride WSBK to enjoy a bike…
And they don't understand how business and racing works. You need participants and spectators to develop racing platforms. Otherwise there's no point.
It's a new age. The golden age is over.
I still ride a 1999 Ducati 900 SS ie and it is so much fun to ride in the corners... its only 80 hp 😉
Nice!!
I ride an 83 Yamaha TT 600, 1991 Ducati 851, 2000 Banshee, and a 2015 V-rod Muscle.. That SS will click off just as fast a lap as a 1000 XYZ sport bike on most of the small local tracks.
A good man has to know his limitations...
"cant pass emissions" yet honda has a 2025 cbr600, kawi has a 2025 zx636, and suzi still sells the GSXR600. i love yamaha but disappointed. if they really wanted to they could have sold the R6... lets not Bullshit ourselves here
They could of, but the r&d required, On top of all the testing needed for every single market.... all for a bike that no one was buying..... why would Yamaha do it?
It makes sense for Yamaha, and the r9 will sell
@ for the same reason Honda, Kawi and Suzuki did it?… lol
@ plus R&D on a brand new bike with a brand new engine is a lot more expensive the a a machine and engine that already exist and just needs refining. So I do really follow your point
@LucasSi919 nobody was buying the r6, that's why. It's the same reason Honda killed the CBR 600 in 2021. They only brought it back this year. Same reason Suzuki and Yamaha have killed the litre bike in other parts of the world. I don't know if you've looked at the emissions of the r6, but it's flat out terrible. The rework required probably far outweighs the benefit for how many they'll sell.
It's alot easier to justify it for an r9, one because they have to for being able to race it, but two, it's gonna sell like crazy
Insurance doesn't help as well. I'm 50. Bought a 2000 R6 last year. As soon as they hear or see R. Blacklisted. Many will not insure them.
I used to race my FZR 400 in light weight GP. It was cool to see the same group running tz250s RZ350s and an occasional SR6. Along with the GS550.
Would be nice to have an on track comparisson between a stock r9 and a stock r6
I absolutely love wringing out my ZX4rr. I get the twin and triple engines, but they don’t have the excitement that a high rev four has. Torque is completely overrated
If you believe that you’re not much of a “rider”
You’re damned active uploading these days👊👍😊 love it🥰
Im not really a track person so I’ve been waiting for the r9 so I can upgrade from my r3 🙌🏾
Just gonna cruise right past the R7.
Same here, happy the R9 came out because i did not like the R7 and was going to get a cbr600rr
@@neonsheep3358 Yupp 🤷🏾♂️😂
@@TheOriginalJadolph bro same bc I liked the under tail exhaust on that one but the cbr just looked outdated to me 😅
@@Kiidomaru fr especially with europe having a newer version of the cbr!
Triumph Sprint 1050 3-cylinder rider here, very stoked considering 600s are out and 3 cylinders sound the coolest. Been waiting for a sport version of the mt09
Had two R6’s - Already put my deposit down for the new R9 - can’t wait to take delivery of my R9 from the first allocations
Ducati's new V2 Panigale looks AMAZING! Usable 126hp with Termig pipes. Much lighter stock than the R9 as well.
Great vid. Putting a whole line of bikes in perspective in relation to each other. You gotta know a lot to do that. Great job. I love the percentages as to how much is racing or street. This is a great vid and one of your best.
Glad I got my first R6 2 years ago. 2007 r6 no fancy rider assists I love it. I’m starting to do trackdays with it now
Being a former Mt-09 rider from 2021 it really is cool to see an R9. I guess depending on the track, either can be stronger. I’m by far an expert but have ridden both. Top speed R6, torque MT-09. It would fun to watch a match up in different ways.
Tuono/RSV3?🤘😄
Im a little over a year in on my CB650R, 28000 km and while its a lovely machine I want more.
Keeping this as a daily commuter or when Im taking a passenger and getting a ZX10R early next year.
👍 innovation is always welcome!
So... bikes are getting shittier.... that´s sad
Its more that most motorbike riders are over 50 years old and most bikes are now made for old people.
How so?
Your attitude in motorcycles is getting sadder.
Wake up dude. Stop complaining. Broaden your tastes. Get perspective.
@@exothermal.sprocket we don't need to be ok with cheaper and sadder bikes, why would i want a sad low revving 3 in line? Better a screaming 4 inline
@@faustosanchez6874 No man, you need to find some kind of contentment in life, quit blaming "machine manufacturers" for your lack of satisfaction, or short attention span, or your getting bored quickly, or needing thrills back to back to be happy. If I could stuff you in a time machine back to the 1970's, you'd realize quickly how silly the attitude is.
Damn when did Yam record this video? New V2 was announced like 3 days ago.
Tho I understand making the script, recording and editing takes more time than that so, makes sense. So my comment is pointless😅
That was already 8 Days ago. At least here in germany we had this Information on the 2. Nov. Should not take that long to make the Video...
Waiting for Kawasaki to follow up with a ZX9R based off the Z900. Not because I want it. But because the 900cc class seems to be the way the supersports are going. R9, 990 RC R. So why not?
As a Z900 rider, they’ll need some R&D. The engine is great, butter smooth and has a plateau flat torque curve. But the gearing is hilariously short, and it needs to lose a few lbs…
@ with weight seeming to be a track only concern and that concern being an afterthought for manufacturers (marketing be damned), I’m sure they’ll say it’s 5% lighter, 15% stiffer and not really bother with much else.
Ironically the Z900 engines roots date back to the ZX9R lol .
Would be cool to come full circle like that.
Doubt it because they sell the ZX6 still.
Brother did u even watch the video lol? They already have a 1000 inline 4. And in the supersport class inline 4s have to be limited to 600 and they already have a 636. Triples and twins are allowed to compete at the supersport class with 850-900cc because they have less cylinders. Hence why they r being made in those ccs. There is literally no reason to have a 900cc inline four from kawasaki. The z900 engine makes less hp then the 636 too. Its trash
It already existed in the late 90s early 2000s.
Thanks Yam.
AMOGUS
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In British Supersport the 600’s still win. Honda has a new cbr600rr which is what I would buy if I was still a rider. I never got on with big twins, although the Ducati 749 I had was good. I’d have an 848 if I was going that route.
Wish you saw the new panigale v2 before you recorded this video. The r9, 990 rcr, pani v2 are all so similar in power now. Based on how the manufacturers talk about them it seems they were all built with street riding in mind also. They also all claim to be starting the new era of supersports lol. People hate them, but these are the options being handed to us nowadays.
I think it seems like everyone hates the new era SS, but it’s probably because the few are vocal about it.
I own a SS950S. I chose it over a Panigale because of riding position and the SS having more street manners. These types of bikes make sense for those of us that only have time for spirited weekend rides near-ish to the house .
The new V2 has I think 30 more horsepower.... (correction, I was wrong, oof, 120 thats ass)
@ the old one did.
The new V2 only have 120hp
@@cyborg2196 you are correct, double checked it, thanks!
The fact that the value is there is wild to me. My 4RR MSRP'd in 2023 higher than this big triple.
Really excited to see this at the YCRS.
I see the motorcycle industry following in the same footsteps as the car industry… I feel like in the near future we’re gonna see smaller motors that are supercharged or turbocharged rather than seeing larger displacement. They already are trying this with Kawasaki with the 400cc inline 4, while it’s not boosted it’s still the same direction I think they’re heading in.
R6 for life!!!
I'll stick with my little m50 for now. Comfort is king!
R9 going to overtake that V2. Torque going to get them there
Exactly
It has nothing to do with emissions those in control don't want fast bikes affordable for the average person.
Motorcycles are regressing😢
Conceptually the new supersport category will be so fun to ride and way better than in line 4 cylinder, the only problem they have is that generally they look like shit, from wings to chinese-oriental design, oh man freaking terrible .. I miss the design of old supersport bikes (early and mid 2000s, even something from 90s). We desperately need a mix of both things
I ride my RN22 and be superior against the R9, and I'm gonna love it.
Inline 4 is da wae, was looking at a newer bike for my next upgrade but ended up buying a low mile 08 fz6, those inline 4 hogh rpm screamers are just something else
These outros keep getting crazier 😂😂
I love that you could say the car enthusiast market is just miatas with a straight face 🤣I applaud you sir
The tech on this bike outshines all other 600 bikes. I’m currently on a 2019 zx6r and want the r9. 2024 zx6r cost same price for less.
25’ zx6r or 25’ R9?
@ I would 100% get the 2025 r9. It will perform same as a zx6r plus get all the bells and whistles that are additional for zx6r. Well zx6r does not have an option for cruise control,have to buy after market up and down auto blip quick shifter(zx6r only has up quick shifts) lean control,abs(zx6r that’s around 1500 on base model) i know that guys don’t really like it however if it’s your street bike I rather have and not every use or need then need and not have. My 2019 has it and I’ve never engaged it in 13000 miles on street even with a few emergency braking situation but I like the feeling that if ever i panic and forget my training I have something else looking out. Sorry for the long post but 2 wheels always makes me excited. Let it be known bmw s1000r is my dream bike, and I own a ninja good value is good value
@@Gchild-mos0311 I prefer a long and informed reply so thanks. More info leads to a better informed decision. I’ll look more into the R9, 25’ S1k and panigale V2
The 800 cc class is going to be a nightmare...so many different bikes with so many restrictions is going to be tuff to stop cheating.
They can get my 600 and 750s from my cold dead hands
The KTM ‘990’ is actually 947cc. The great thing about next gen rules for supersport is there are no strictly defined rules for displacement. Instead it’s HP, weight and other factors. So the 955cc Ducati is severely retuned so that the very well hopped up 599cc R6 can still be similar in terms of peak hp output.
The KTM could certainly race if they would get it homologated. There’s nothing in the rules keeping it from being raced.
I'm getting one, a R9, it looks great. + The typical inline 4 sounds mad boring these days. The extra revs and intake will make that cp3 sound even more mental.
The fact that emissions on motorcycles is such a issue sucks like how much mileage does the average bike get every year like its no fair
I see the R9 more of a replacement for the R6. Just a little heavier. I like it. Yamaha managed to even make it sexy.
Love the R9 offering. Disappointed to hear the New Ducati V2 is way down on power v. last gen, even with the big weight loss.
r6 squid here, i love the fact thyere making some cool new bikes but i do love my r6 and ill rig=de it till i total it or get a sweet deal on an r1 or mt10
Would love to test ride one. Looks like a great track day bike to replace my outgoing gsxr750
Got to look at an R9 last Thursday. Pretty nice although we couldn't touch it. Don't know how it feels.
Can’t wait to hear your take on the new Ducati v2s with the new engine!
Im pretty excited to see what this 900 segment turns out to be
This bike is made for people like me who want to track once in a while and mostly street for fun. Definitely my kidn of bike being not super aggressive position.
Whenever I would ride my friends 600s in college I felt like I was riding a really uncomfortable scooter. They thought it was “crazy” when they would power wheelie in first gear at 35 mph after installing a larger rear sprocket. Meanwhile my FZ09 / MT09 would do it up to 3rd gear at 55-60 mph. I would also track a gsxr 600 it felt boring. No torque. Just screaming.
Not to mention passing up the 600 riders all day on the track with the FZ09.
I will say that my flashed 21’ MT09 will top out at 155mph. Not bad at all.
@jackpistone8015 I can clutch up a wheelie on any stock 600 in 3rd gear. I love all bikes and motor configurations. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages. Everything in between is all opinion. In current times the Japanese manufacturers are putting more R&D into electronic tech then power output. Everyone wants versatility. A triple motor you know best suits the in-between high end of a Inline-4 and the low end of a twin. But it doesn't excel in either department. It lacks the high end of a 4, and doesn't have the low end grunt of a twin with similar displacement. But a liter bike motor with an Inline-4 on a naked bike chasis does have higher torque and HP output. It's just a different riding style. There is no best. Everyone is so full of shit from getting brainwashed by internet and marketing hype.
I’ll stick with my R6 and my ZX-10R. I want a V4 Ducati next. I like their R-model, but I’ll take an S.
Modern super sport where Ducati can bring a (throttle limited) 955 to compete with 600cc bikes. Ducati's dominant in wssp, it's powering less superior rider to title fights in moto America
I’m actually looking into upgrading from my 2017 R3 to a new R7
I actually would enjoy redlining at 17K on my way to work
zx-25r or zx-4r it is
Ain’t no r6 brother
Have you ever done a deep dive into throttle limiting in motorsport? Wouldn't a larger displacement bike have an advantage at lower throttle levels? Do they over-nerf the top end to make up for the low end advantage? Seems like a quagmire.
And what about the Honda CBR600RR and the Kawasaki ZX-6R, those are 600s that rev to almost 15k; those a are also available new and they are great!! Around same price too here in europe...
The inline 4 remains nice because of the balance it has. With counterweights to compensate for the secondary imbalance, it features the least likely engine configuration to rattle to pieces when you wring out the throttle.
That being said, it's really only suited for the track + due to the greater amount of pistons, fuel economy reduces exponentially (the tiny gaps between piston and cylinder wall are lost volume)
Then again, do we buy motorcycles for their practicality?
Why do you keep deleting my question about not crashing into porches?
Love verity thats why the daytona 200 is fun to watch
So now we have a lot of 900 cc Supersport
R9
GSX-8R
KTM 990 RCR
New Panigale V2
I'll be happy when I get my RS660 and my RSV4 for "those certain days"
My 765 Daytona LE is going to be fun on track with these new bikes. It’s all coming together….
so Yammie did not get the news of the new Ducati V2? 120HP, double sided swing arm like the V4 which compete in wsbk?
It's dawned on me recently the euro5 is good for the future - the new euro5 bikes aren't quite as good, but they are very good.... And with going the route of more displacement and lower compression means longer life engines.
Unfortunately for Yamaha “pretty damn sporty” isn’t the standard set over the last few decades for proper supersports…the distinction between sport and supersport is not supposed to just be marketing hype.
These are supposed to be a class of proper homologated race bikes. Losing that is a tragedy imo. Nothing wrong with the R9…but losing this special category of bike is surely a loss.
Basically it’s a katana not an actual homologated supersport. Recognizing this distinction is not in any way supposed to suggest that 600 & 1000cc supersports are anywhere near ideal for the road, that was never the point, in fact quite the opposite…most of the appeal was that these were proper track machines that we the few insane enthusiasts who chose to do so, COULD enjoy on the road.
Back in the day we had proper lineups from Yamaha and Honda etc. we had the r6 but then we also had much softer “sport bikes” that weren’t trying to be super sports but were sporty road bikes.
Apparently in 2024 manufacturers want people to pick ONE option of the two and if the one you chose is a super sport then you’re SOL
Want the mt09 but might be worth waiting for the r9.. maybe a cheap secondhand mt09 for now
The change that's happening in the supersport is likely for the best, but I won't say I won't miss the i4 engine.
The street triple 765 rs set the tone they just took fairings off it. I own one it’s a super sport with handle bars.
They all know the inline 4 is maxed out so they must introduce something else; Much like the 2 stroke dirtbike. They introduced the 4 strokes that have much more power. It just takes time. I'll keep my k7 600 and have fun blasting that around and having fun.
Bro is preaching 🫡🫡I'm excited for the future of super sports
600s have their own purposes so do 1000’s. Nothing is going to replace also realize that even if brands stop making them cause of “emisson regulations for motorcycles” (even though cars are the real issue) we can still buy used ones you know? 600s are perfectly in the middle between something like an R9 and liter bikes
The R7 sucks..and the R9 does also
I live on a small island called Malta, here everything is quite limiting due to taxes and shit but a 2008 r6 costs twice as much as the r1. The r9 better maybe but not the same thing for sure.
Hope the insurance isn’t too expensive to see if I can upgrade from my trident 660. I really like the way this one looks but want to sit on it first to see if isn’t too sporty 😂.
In Australia: R9 will be $3000 more than Striple RS. R9 will also cost more than a near-new Panigale V2. Yes, the 160 hp one.
If you’re talking about track that makes sense, however road wise? Not only is the R9 going to be more reliable but also it’s not going to be geared towards track only specs, as the Panigale, well Italian bikes speak for themselves man, wouldn’t surprise me if you have an oil leak in the first 2 months of ownership.
@lofee.r7 Not wrong but the concept of r9 imo is geared more towards track than road especially compared to Striple RS, and I can get a Striple for heaps less money, which is also gonna be heaps better for road, or get literally anything that isn't brand new for track for like 1/3rd of the price unless I got a Panigale (why would you ever get a brand new bike for track), even a track r1. I seriously doubt the r9 in Aus is going to do as well as r7 because its whole concept is designed to trick newbies with tiktok brains, it's insanely overpriced, and it's a downgrade from everything in its price point for track. So its product placement in Aus is a luxury product with less quality than triumph yet costs more, just so the buyer can look at American social media and feel good about themselves. The fact that bikes are getting more expensive yet worse is insulting, and it raises the price of second hand bikes.
Scholtz took MA SBK on an R6, but PJ was TOUGH on the Duc this year, curious to see what Scholtz and other R6 riders do in 2025.
I'm curious to see how well the r9 does on track, I have ridden my GFs MT09 on track, and motor wise, it's a fun bike on the smaller tracks we typically run (up in the midwest) but the ergo on the mt on track is bad. I have 2 X R6 (05 and 06) in the track trailer, so getting a little long in the tooth. I'd like to get a newer track bike at some point, and the R9 might fit the bill, since I'm just not ready to start shelling out tyre money for an R1 lol. But... The 2025 Panagali V2 isn't "that" much more than the R9 (base V2, not V2s)
Going to be an interesting 2025 for sure.....
Never thought I’d say I am glad to be older. Growing up with CBR600F2s, YZFs, ZX6 and the good old FZR in 600cc for beginners bikes(some had FZR400s). Everyone wanted to race WERA and we had a blast. AMA getting bought by NASCAR and the stretched and slammed crowds kinda killed it. People got tired of being harassed and would never be near the squids. Racing got way too expensive and track days shot up because of track insurance and the lack of riders.
I’m very lucky to have both (kind of) a cbr600 f3 that I can scream the nuts off (not R6 or zxr400 territory but still fun) and a Ducati super sport 950 which is much faster and far superior to my 600 in every respect, I’m 61, been riding since I was 16 and I still can’t get away from revving out a 4 cylinder bike to within an inch of it’s life ! 😀😀
@philipthody5007 I'm 48 and the same way. I wished I had my old F2 or F3. I did keep a R6. It's still fun. Carbed bikes are still fun. Especially win flat slides and pipes are added 😆 🤣. V-twin sport bikes are still my favorites. There is something soulful about older analog bikes.
I prefer aggressive riding position of the R7. It disappoints me that the triangle is more relaxed on the R9
Hi, Started out this year in August on a 2009 Vstrom 650 and its been a lot of fun. I have some nitpicks with the ergos like the peg position and low lean angle "my tailbone was shattered and my wrist had surgery and aches if I dont keep pressure on it" so im thinking for my second bike getting a sport as I feel for me it would actually be more comfortable. The GSX-8R rn is the bike im most likely gonna get as my second perma bike however if the RC990R is reasonably priced I may consider getting it instead. The plan is to trade in around October next year. Do you think these new supersports would be doable as a second bike if you are responsible or is it a bad idea?
Say goodbye to the 1000 super bikes
My dealer told me yesterday they refuse to trade sports bikes as they don’t sell.
Ugh, really? Because all the used 600's I see near me have absurd prices on them. New they cost a fortune, and, if you want to race or are building a track bike, the 600 is still one of (if not the) top choices.
They are very rarely available in my area, and, when they are, man, they are expensive!!
2025 CBR600RR and 2025 Kawasaki ZX6R, entered the chat.