Respectfully, I gotta disagree. Unlike Charles' Death in multiverse of madness, Wolverine looks like he's actually going to be a major person in DP&W and not just a marketing. There's even lines that show we're going to get scenes that humanize this version of Logan. "Trust me Kid, I'm no Hero." is one of the lines said in the second trailer, This wolverine is an actual character, not the soulless husk that X-24 was. The Comic accurate Suit and Poses are a bonus for long time fans who have wanted to see him like that. Hell, he even chooses to fight Cassandra Nova despite telling Deadpool "not my fucking problem" because he's went through stuff like a real human. Point is, as long as he's written well and has an actual character, it isn't ruining Logan's ending.
To play devil’s advocate for a sec… (slight spoiler alert here) but post release is he really that deep a character? He’s a version of Logan with an insanely close backstory to the one in the 2017 film only lacking the depth. He has the same arc, learns the same lessons, even from the same character with Laura. Looking at every interview for this movie it’s clear to me that it exists because Hugh and co. wanted to see Wolverine and Deadpool play off each other (which hey. Fair.). Not because there was more to say with this guy. But that’s just my take. Everyone’s allowed their own and it’s totally fine if you were all about Deadpool and Wolverine. These are just my thoughts.
I'm personally pumped to see this movie on opening day, but I would argue that whatever version of Deadpool 3 that we got was always going to be good not because of Hugh Jackman coming out of retirement, but because of the passion from both Ryan Reynolds and the two writers who have written all the films in this trilogy. The inclusion of this Wolverine is gravy, it adds flavor but you would still have a hearty meal if you set it off to the side. Slightly off-topic, but it genuinely pisses me off to see MovieWeb sharing the article (multiple times) of Kevin Feige agreeing with your sentiment and telling Jackman personally "Don't come back to the role", because the vast majority of comments just dogpile on him for something that they would have agreed with him on prior to 2022. Not an ounce of nuance amongst them, not like this video. Keep up the good work!
Feige only seemed to care about the sanctity of Jackman’s legacy as the character if continuity was on the line. The second they told him it was a Wolverine from another dimension, he hopped on board without question. Thanks for the kudos!
@@SamsChannelOfficial I don’t think there’s actually proof that this is a variant. Something tells me this Wolverine is from the period between DOFP’s happy ending and the beginning of Logan, probably not long after Xavier kills the X-Men.
You have a fair point. You could go see this movie for only the Deadpool stuff and not Wolverine. But Marvel Studios won't know that unless fans are vocal about it. They'll just think, "Ryan and Hugh clearly work so let's milk them till the end of time."
Only thing I’ll say about this is as long as Deadpool & Wolverine is a legitimately good movie, then I’m not gonna find much fowl in all of this. Logan will always be a solid flick that hit the high note for Jackman’s career as Wolverine and remain a poignant, tragic, and riveting tale for me. I doubt they’ll screw this up, but I do get it.
I have mixed thoughts on the decision. Obviously I want to see Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds together as Deadpool and Wolverine. Reynolds and, more importantly, Jackman seem to wanna do it. And it looks like some harmless fun. But I agree with you that it’s reduced Logan’s impact in the meta that it’s now no longer Jackman’s swan song.
I don't think Hugh bringing back Wolverine for a parody film takes away from Logan's meaning at all. It is, indeed, all in good fun. If you made this video about disney's remakes or the 1000 random MCU characters, movies, shows, shorts, etc. that are being blasted into media, I'd have agreed with you.
I dont think anyone is blaming Hugh, he is getting a shit-load of money for having some fun (yellow spandex and all) playing the character he pretty much OWNS, one last time, the problem is...Hugh Jackman doing that does hurt Logan's legacy, similar to how Patrick Stewart LAUGHABLE role in Dr Strange 2 hurted Logan.
@@Jose-se9pu I don't really understand this logic. Separating the two with Patrick wasn't an issue in my head ; it was a cheap cameo, as expected in a multiverse clusterfuck movie. I still remember the character i loved as a totally different character. The movie Logan is still great, albeit sad. Idk, I get that reusing characters cheaply over and over is a problem, but to say it ruins the original good movies is a stretch.
@@Forthelulz01yeah in Logan and DOFP Stewart played two different versions of Xavier only thing being MOM was the most recent but it doesn’t take away the weight from the previous xmen films
Great video, as usual. I have a lot of the same feelings as you do about Hugh Jackman returning, but I shrug it off with a "yolo" kind of vibe. Ultimately, I think it's better to have another Jackman performance than one fewer. Life is short.
10:23 I think they want to (and will try to) do both. The Deadpool films have always had an emotional center despite all the humor and shenanigans. It won’t be done as well as Logan but it’s a bit dishonest to think he’s only there for action figure mashing.
I honestly was strongly against bringing back hugh jackman as wolverine until it was revealed it will be a variant. I understand why that still doesn't change how you feel about it but for me it does because while he still is hugh jackman, I think the idea is that this wolverine lived a different life from the fox version. Had different experiences and while he has similarites, he isn't the same character. Also, just because they are having wolverine fight and have his classic suit doesn't mean they are sucking out the humanity. Characters can be fun action heroes while also being falible. The mcu did that so much in the past. I still do see where you are coming from but I do believe that hugh jackman can be brought back without the fox wolverines death being undermined. That wolverine still died and rests now, but hugh jackman isn't that character. He is simply the actor who played him, and therefore, he can also return as different versions of said character. Sorry, I just feel very strongly about this. Also, the old man and the gun was actually filmed after endgame, so robert redford filmed his scene for endgame first, meaning the old man and the gun was still the last movie he filmed for. It's not marvels fault that the old man and the gun came out first.
I'm sorry. It's just, the only part I find annoying about this video is how you are acting like deadpool and wolverine will suck out his humanity just because Hugh jackman is back for a fun adventure. The movie hasn't come out, and while I agree it won't be as emotional or deep as logan, that doesn't mean he will just be like a toy. It looks like from the trailers he will still have flaws and be portrayed as an actual character, while also being able to have a fun dynamic with wade wilson.
Also, I always viewed x24 less as a representation of reboots but more as a representation of how the world views logan compared to who he actually is.
I think everyone understands that THIS Wolverine is from a completely different universe as the Wolverine in Logan. We all love Logan and this new comic accurate Wolverine. This new Deadpool movie looks so much better than Deadpool 2. Thats coming from someone who hates the fact that Jackman and Stewart werent nominated for Logan. And trust me, i HATE how they unceremoniously killed Xavier in Dr. Strange 2. I just trust Ryan Reynolds and company to show Wolverine and the X-Men proper respect.
This is definitely an interesting perspective. Although I don't fully agree with it all. Examples: As many bad direct to dvd movies Bruce Willis made, he'll always be my favorite actor and his best movies are what I'll remember and appreciate. As bad as Jurassic World Dominion is, I can just not rewatch it. It doesn't affect my love for the original films. US Marshals does not live up to The Fugitive but it's another fun little adventure with the same characters. Absolutely has zero effect on the first movie. I never held the Marvel/superhero movies to a standard to other movies. They were always EVENT movies to me. Or modern day serials. As saying this, for sure I might be seeing them with completely different eyes than someone who grew up with these on a regular basis. I saw the X-men movies once in the theater and occasional rewatches. I think most people watched these on the regular and has these on the same pedestal as other favorites. We all have different views on movies and thats a cool thing. Thanks for the video, Sam. You do quality work. Great as always.
I have actually had a lot of the same thoughts as you, both before and after Deadpool & Wolverine was announced. I was bummed that we never got to see Wolverine and Deadpool team up before Logan was released. And now that same dilemma continues to be on my mind, whether it would be better to commit and let it rest, even at the cost of us having that much desired crossover. Overall, my general attitude is that I can forgive it, if Deadpool & Wolverine hypothetically turns out to have a lot of heart, passion, and soul in its own right (which would at least make it less like what the soulless X-24 can symbolize). However, the MCU has been such a mixed bag post-Endgame for audiences, so I am not exactly counting on it. Either way, I plan to reserve judgement until Deadpool & Wolverine comes out, though I do share your artistic concerns.
Mcu wasnt perfect pre endgame. So yeah some projects post endgame werent great but others like wakanda forever, nwh,shang-chi, wandavision, loki season 1 and 2,guardians of the galaxy vol 3 amd x-men 97 so to be skeptical is silly.
The way I see it Jackman coming back is kind of like the multi-Doctor episodes of Doctor Who. It’s a lot of fun for the fans but does often mess with the sanctity of the show in the process. Hopefully this is just a one off and not part of a larger plan moving forward.
In makebelieve land, yes it is. In the real world, Hugh Jackman's back as Wolverine. Regardless of whether it's a variant or whatever, Jackman's back in that role. That's the problem. 🤣
@@SamsChannelOfficial if you don’t like him being back boy are you gonna hate the cameos coming up in the multiverse saga 😭😭 like wtf yall find anything to be mad at this video is pointless
The Deadpool movies did have their surprisingly tender moments. Especially 2. Plus, DP&W trailers do hint at an interesting arc for Logan. So it could be good. I just like to be optimistic at least
You're right, DP2 did have surprisingly tender moments, which is why I'm disappointed that in DP3, they're making the joke credits scene - where he goes back in time and undoes all the emotionally moving stuff from the movie - canon. I guess nothing really matters.
@SamsChannelOfficial Well, when you're aware you live in a medium where the status quo has to always be reset, I guess the least you can do is have fun with it. Even still, Wade remembers those moments, so they'll stick with him. It doesn't change how he feels about his family. He just found the means to bring his girl back, as someone would if they knew they existed in fiction. Idk, I see what you mean and all. It just didn't bother me the same way bc I see it differently. I think we could be pleasantly surprised by this one. Great video, though!
@@ImnotMattMurdock A fair perspective. As I say, I enjoyed the second and don't doubt the new film will be decent popcorn fun. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! ☺
I think your argument that Stewart's and Jackman's successive appearances after Logan dilutes their character falls apart when they were only adaptions to begin with.
There's def an argument for that, hence why I mentioned that Mangold and Jackman don't own the Wolverine character, but I also think it's fair to recognise when something has become so iconic that it gains a life of its own. If this were a new actor playing Wolverine, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Yeah, when the announcement happened he was coming back, I just shrugged. Personally doesn't ruin the significance of what the ending to Logan meant and I get the frustration (don't get me started on Toy Story). Logan is still one of my favorite comic book movies and Deadpool 3 definitely looks fun. Even if I wish Hugh just refuse from a friend, I can see that the people involved care not to step on the ending's toes and get there is care from everyone involved. If it sucked, I can still just say that it ended at Logan. Still wish it was the brown and tan suit though. That's my favorite Wolverine look.
This recurring trend of making requels (part sequel/part reboot) has just made me numb to this sort of thing. Also, nice to see some love for the brown and yellow suit! Loved it when X-Men '97 did it.
It’s not that you’re wrong I just think it’s not that deep. It’d be one thing if the new movie was shitting on the legacy of Logan but that in no way seems to be the case. I understand the want for a bit more meaning in the meta but i don’t think bringing back actors is inherently a bad thing. Would you argue the same thing when Ian McKellen came back as Gandalf in the hobbit or James Earl jones in the prequels? Quality of the writing aside, those franchises and characters had their endings but they still had stories to tell and I don’t see bringing those actors back as a spit in the face to what came before. In fact can’t it be argued that the last stand was really the meaningful end of the x men trilogy? They definitely intended that movie to have a certain amount of finality and yet they still kept churning out sequels and reboots and spin-offs afterwards. But it seems like we forget about that just because some of those movies turned out to be good like Logan or DOFP. I’m not trying to call hypocrisy but it’s an interesting discussion to have nonetheless
You raise some good points, definitely... In the case of Ian McKellen and James Earl Jones, the films they starred in weren't swan songs for their characters or their time playing those characters. Logan was a pretty definitive closing of a particular chapter in film history, both for Jackman and the audience. It just feels like a bit of a slap in the face. You're training an audience not to allow itself to emotionally engage with these films or their characters, and I only see that as a bad thing.
Jackman is Logan. Same as RDJ is Ironman. When Feige decides to finally make a X-Men movie in the MCU maybe they decide to leave the character out. The team is big enough
Ok, two months later, I think I speak for everyone who liked this video when I say we want to hear your thoughs on the movie, because it was exactly what you feared it would be. I still cant believe those opening credits.
The opening credits was ironically the only part that used Wolverine well imo. It was actually funny and creative. But the whole Diet Wolverine variant stuff? Yeah they did a very poor job at justifying Hugh Jackman returning to this role. It’s like this version of Logan was specifically written for a new actor to take over the role lmao.
@@Jellybob69he is a variant from another universe that failed the x-men. How is that a bad justification. Nothing about it indicated a new actor was made for the role.
Even from the beginning, I've been skeptical about bringing Jackman back. Logan is my favorite superhero film and it changed the way that I view the genre. This new film could very well be a mockery of the X-Men films that came before, and if that's the case, I'll be very sad. X-Men (2000), X2, and DOFP are my X-Men trilogy and Logan always felt like a perfect epilogue to it. I'm exhausted and I'm frustrated by all of the new bad blockbusters coming out, and I'm preparing for the worst here.
Why? Those films got a *lot* wrong; they're asking to be mocked. I'm not saying there weren't good ones like the three you named, but there was way too much bad stuff as well.
I was going to say, Sam, you're overthinking this, until I realized I have the exact same complaints in regards to Hollywood's obsession with reboots and sequels, the 5 horsemen of Hollywood is what I've dubbed them, remakes, reboots, revivals, reimaginings, resequels?!, why try anything new when you can cash in on what already works, but hey let's look on the bright side, it's cuz Hugh's portrayal was actually legendary that causes its revival to be so contentious, I mean look at Affleck's Batman, no one cares whether he comes back as the character at all or not, and that's pretty sad too. 😅
You know, you're so spot on with the X-24 comparison. But I figured I'd throw in my own two cents on this whole thing. It's so depressing to think how Birdman ended up becoming a prophecy in hindsight. Not just for Michael Keaton, but for actors in general. The entire point of that movie is that an actor doesn't have to be tied to one single role they did years ago. Actors can make a whole career for themselves and not have to be tied down to capeshit. But then movies like The Flash and now Deadpool & Wolverine come out to completely miss the point. All for the sake of dumb fanservice. Now look, I know that actors have the final say and can say no if they want to, but the fact that bringing them back was an idea in the first place just shows how creatively bankrupt super hero movies have become in recent years. 11:00 Also, is it really that weird when this is Disney/Marvel we're talking about here? Excellent video as always Sam! Glad to know there's still people like you who can watch these things objectively and not with rose-tinted glasses. BTW F*ck that Wolverine costume. Once again, the Marvel method of adding lines and panels to costumes strikes again.
This is mostly based on the principle of Jackman coming back alone. Even if the film turns out ok, which it very well might, the damage has already been done.
@@SamsChannelOfficial yeah sorry sam im not with you its a different version from logan which even that version you could argue is different from the days of future past version. Unless they were bringing back that same logan back from the dead and had him act out of character there is no damage done. Would it have been nice if deadpool and wolverine came out before logan sure but it didnt and so long as it has a good story , along with the action and jokes and they tell a good story with this version , i have no issues. Finally nice to see a new video from you sam i have been a fan of the channel since 2012.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 Fair enough man, it’s all your prerogative. My hangup is all to do with the story of film history rather than the in-universe explanation, which is arguably an extremely abstract concern. Appreciate you disagreeing and sharing the love all the same.✌️
FINALLY! Thank you so much!!!!! I absolutely hate that Hugh has come back and I hate that Patrick came back in Multiverse of Madness!!!!!! Logan should've been the end for their careers as Professor X and Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!! I have been constantly seeing people be like, "Logan isn't ruined because they are variants" and stuff like that. I get it. At one point I myself didn't think Hugh coming back was a problem. But over the course of several months, I changed my mind. I actually think all of these people who are saying Logan isn't ruined are just trying to come up with the craziest ways to justify why Hugh is back. I hate it, and it makes me lose a bit of respect for Hugh. That's so sad because he's one of my idols. But at the same time, I have no clue why he came back if he cares about artistic integrity. I'm sure a lot of people have seen that Deadpool 3 heineken commercial, and I have too. For me, it was so disgusting seeing Hugh in that commercial. He really just ruined the impact of Logan.
Also I just really feel like if you have to come up with a reason to justify a character's return after their last adventure, that's probably a sign that you should not bring them back. Also, Are you gonna see Deadpool 3 when it comes out? I'm not. Hugh coming back just ruined everything for me. Deadpool was enough. I would have totally gone to see Deadpool 3 if it was another standalone movie. But NO, HUGH HAD TO COME BACK. I know that this movie will most likely make a lot of money which is very sad, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I value artistic integrity over fan service. I want to show these studios that bringing back Hugh was a huge mistake. It will undoubtedly be a difficult task, but I would love to try. If by some miracle this movie flops, that would absolutely be the craziest thing in the world, but if it does make a lot of money, at least I can rest easy knowing that I didn't support this cashgrab. I'm done with multiversal cameos reversing death and growth. I'm tired of characters getting assaasinated. I want these studios to know that we want nothing but the best. We want them to try. We want them to take risks. We will not settle for cheap multiversal cameos anymore. So all I have to say is, are you in?
Its funny these people are the same saying that "you can't have a mad max film without mad max" yet furiosa despite its flaws is still was better than most blockbusters this year. And now people are saying that D&W is going to be better because hugh jackman is back even though his hole presence demolish his entire meaningfull ending in Logan, similar to brining back RDJ return as iron man, even if you go with the lazy excuse that "its not the same iron man", it still unrespectfull to his entire character arc. Oh and to make things better Dafne Keen is coming back as X-23... so yeah the entire ambiguity about the mutant kids in Logan is now lost because of fanservice.
@@EmmanuelRamirez817 im going just for morbid curiosity, the same curiosity i have when i watch no way home even though i knew back then that is going to be a fanservice trip. Plus it come out the same day when a friend celebrate his birthday and he invite me to see it
@@motor4X4kombat I'm not willingly going to see it. No way. I'm sick of the multiverse ruining the MCU. I hope the MCU stops with the multiverse after this film. That most likely won't happen but a guy can dream, right? Maybe I'll watch it with a family member if they have no one else to go with them. Otherwise, there's no way I'm seeing this. Hope you have fun and have a great day!!!!!! Finally found someone else who shares my opinions.
Finally, someone with the balls to say it; this whole thing is just a bad idea. Nothing against Hugh Jackman, man needs to work for a living (and after 24 freaking years, he sure deserves to make money off Wolverine), he does charity, and he was the one who insisted on making the Wolverine in this movie a "variant" so both Logan and the whole Fox continuity would remain untouched...however, this is at the cost of seeing a 60 years old man in yellow spandex jumping into a magic portal, literally the laziest AI generated script developed by Disney to get some dopamine running through the brains of the few people who still care about Marvel. Hugh Jackman playing a "comic accurate" Wolverine at his age is a bad idea, making an R-rated Deadpool Disney movie is a bad idea, Ryan Reynolds (who is also already pushing his age playing Deadpool) still making the same dad jokes he made 15 years ago is a bad idea...but well, I think fucking up Deadpool is pretty much the last remaining thing for Disney to do with Marvel...sadly, at the cost of ruinning Logan's legacy (pretty much like they already did bringing back Patrick Stewart for that laughable role in Dr Strange 2)
Jackman is 55 years old and he looks pretty good for his age , HE WANTED to come back and have you actually seen the movie to say its an ai driven script. How is an r rated disney deadpool movie a bad idea. They have fantastic four, x-men , doctor strange, thor, black panther, blade, daredevil, disney has plenty they can do with marvel lol.
can you imagine, how many decades of these lame foxmen movies and they never made a dedicated BWS Weapon X adaptation, that is truly a disrespectful disgrace and travesty.
If we leave in a world where people praise godzilla minus one for taking serious the idea of a giant monster created by the arogance and violent nature of hunanity... but still also praise a stupid cgi lizard with dragon ball powers up with no backstory behind it just to see him fight generic monters or a monkee just to go "well its fun it wasn't mean to be the next citizen kane. And is also not woke fest. So of course its good" Then true art only exist as a shield when people don't know better only to keep cosuming shit that fitt in their political agenda.
@@motor4X4kombat Oh, shut up. You just proved you're nothing but a bully trying to mock other people for enjoying movies that don't always take themselves seriously.
The fuck does Godzilla have to do with Wolverine? Is he going to the Savage Land lol. Also Godzilla has been a franchise of varying tones. They've been a balance of silly fun and serious in most installments after the original came out. If I am ok with Shin Godzilla playing up a serious attack on Tokyo as they try to evactuate civilians and have tons of scenes involving boardroom meetings, then I'm also ok with Invasion of Astro Monster have Godzilla do a silly jumping dance. Its fine.
Regardless of how Deadpool & Wolverine is, Logan will still remain as one of the greatest comic book films of all time.
And as bad as Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix might be, they will never change the greatness of Days of Future Past
Respectfully, I gotta disagree. Unlike Charles' Death in multiverse of madness, Wolverine looks like he's actually going to be a major person in DP&W and not just a marketing. There's even lines that show we're going to get scenes that humanize this version of Logan. "Trust me Kid, I'm no Hero." is one of the lines said in the second trailer, This wolverine is an actual character, not the soulless husk that X-24 was. The Comic accurate Suit and Poses are a bonus for long time fans who have wanted to see him like that. Hell, he even chooses to fight Cassandra Nova despite telling Deadpool "not my fucking problem" because he's went through stuff like a real human. Point is, as long as he's written well and has an actual character, it isn't ruining Logan's ending.
Yes! Thank you!
To play devil’s advocate for a sec… (slight spoiler alert here) but post release is he really that deep a character? He’s a version of Logan with an insanely close backstory to the one in the 2017 film only lacking the depth. He has the same arc, learns the same lessons, even from the same character with Laura. Looking at every interview for this movie it’s clear to me that it exists because Hugh and co. wanted to see Wolverine and Deadpool play off each other (which hey. Fair.). Not because there was more to say with this guy.
But that’s just my take. Everyone’s allowed their own and it’s totally fine if you were all about Deadpool and Wolverine. These are just my thoughts.
Even kevin feige agrees that logan was the perfect ending for hugh's Wolverine
Literally who give a fuck what he thinks
Deadpool 3 opening credits: "I was kidding"
I'm personally pumped to see this movie on opening day, but I would argue that whatever version of Deadpool 3 that we got was always going to be good not because of Hugh Jackman coming out of retirement, but because of the passion from both Ryan Reynolds and the two writers who have written all the films in this trilogy. The inclusion of this Wolverine is gravy, it adds flavor but you would still have a hearty meal if you set it off to the side.
Slightly off-topic, but it genuinely pisses me off to see MovieWeb sharing the article (multiple times) of Kevin Feige agreeing with your sentiment and telling Jackman personally "Don't come back to the role", because the vast majority of comments just dogpile on him for something that they would have agreed with him on prior to 2022. Not an ounce of nuance amongst them, not like this video. Keep up the good work!
Feige only seemed to care about the sanctity of Jackman’s legacy as the character if continuity was on the line. The second they told him it was a Wolverine from another dimension, he hopped on board without question.
Thanks for the kudos!
@@SamsChannelOfficial I don’t think there’s actually proof that this is a variant. Something tells me this Wolverine is from the period between DOFP’s happy ending and the beginning of Logan, probably not long after Xavier kills the X-Men.
@@SamsChannelOfficialwell yeah when its a variant that gives u more freedom to do what u want.
Kevin Feige is still a hack though.
You have a fair point. You could go see this movie for only the Deadpool stuff and not Wolverine. But Marvel Studios won't know that unless fans are vocal about it. They'll just think, "Ryan and Hugh clearly work so let's milk them till the end of time."
I was always surprised that the original Deadpool was able to be killed so easily by bullets.
Another reason why I don't like Deadpool 2
I just assumed deadpool brought adamantium bullets from the new timeline.
No, the original Deadpool is the comics character. That was just a bad adaptation forced on us by Tom Rothman, and he got what he deserved.
Only thing I’ll say about this is as long as Deadpool & Wolverine is a legitimately good movie, then I’m not gonna find much fowl in all of this. Logan will always be a solid flick that hit the high note for Jackman’s career as Wolverine and remain a poignant, tragic, and riveting tale for me. I doubt they’ll screw this up, but I do get it.
I have mixed thoughts on the decision. Obviously I want to see Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds together as Deadpool and Wolverine. Reynolds and, more importantly, Jackman seem to wanna do it. And it looks like some harmless fun. But I agree with you that it’s reduced Logan’s impact in the meta that it’s now no longer Jackman’s swan song.
I don't think Hugh bringing back Wolverine for a parody film takes away from Logan's meaning at all. It is, indeed, all in good fun. If you made this video about disney's remakes or the 1000 random MCU characters, movies, shows, shorts, etc. that are being blasted into media, I'd have agreed with you.
I dont think anyone is blaming Hugh, he is getting a shit-load of money for having some fun (yellow spandex and all) playing the character he pretty much OWNS, one last time, the problem is...Hugh Jackman doing that does hurt Logan's legacy, similar to how Patrick Stewart LAUGHABLE role in Dr Strange 2 hurted Logan.
@@Jose-se9pu I don't really understand this logic. Separating the two with Patrick wasn't an issue in my head ; it was a cheap cameo, as expected in a multiverse clusterfuck movie. I still remember the character i loved as a totally different character. The movie Logan is still great, albeit sad. Idk, I get that reusing characters cheaply over and over is a problem, but to say it ruins the original good movies is a stretch.
@@Forthelulz01yeah in Logan and DOFP Stewart played two different versions of Xavier only thing being MOM was the most recent but it doesn’t take away the weight from the previous xmen films
What 1000 random mcu characters movies or shorts are you talking about.
@@professionalpizzaconsumer5419i swear film snobs are cringe.
Great video, as usual. I have a lot of the same feelings as you do about Hugh Jackman returning, but I shrug it off with a "yolo" kind of vibe. Ultimately, I think it's better to have another Jackman performance than one fewer. Life is short.
10:23 I think they want to (and will try to) do both. The Deadpool films have always had an emotional center despite all the humor and shenanigans.
It won’t be done as well as Logan but it’s a bit dishonest to think he’s only there for action figure mashing.
I honestly was strongly against bringing back hugh jackman as wolverine until it was revealed it will be a variant. I understand why that still doesn't change how you feel about it but for me it does because while he still is hugh jackman, I think the idea is that this wolverine lived a different life from the fox version. Had different experiences and while he has similarites, he isn't the same character. Also, just because they are having wolverine fight and have his classic suit doesn't mean they are sucking out the humanity. Characters can be fun action heroes while also being falible. The mcu did that so much in the past. I still do see where you are coming from but I do believe that hugh jackman can be brought back without the fox wolverines death being undermined. That wolverine still died and rests now, but hugh jackman isn't that character. He is simply the actor who played him, and therefore, he can also return as different versions of said character. Sorry, I just feel very strongly about this. Also, the old man and the gun was actually filmed after endgame, so robert redford filmed his scene for endgame first, meaning the old man and the gun was still the last movie he filmed for. It's not marvels fault that the old man and the gun came out first.
I'm sorry. It's just, the only part I find annoying about this video is how you are acting like deadpool and wolverine will suck out his humanity just because Hugh jackman is back for a fun adventure. The movie hasn't come out, and while I agree it won't be as emotional or deep as logan, that doesn't mean he will just be like a toy. It looks like from the trailers he will still have flaws and be portrayed as an actual character, while also being able to have a fun dynamic with wade wilson.
Also, I always viewed x24 less as a representation of reboots but more as a representation of how the world views logan compared to who he actually is.
Thanks for watching, folks! Drop your thoughts below telling me I'm wrong! 😆
You’re wrong
@@Sam_Montgomery you haven’t even watched the video you helmet
I asked and you delivered.
You really know how to cut to the core of an issue.
Regardless, Logan is a masterpiece, and it always will be
Holy Crap! Welcome back, man! I loved your reviews in 2013-2015!
Thanks man! 🎉
I think everyone understands that THIS Wolverine is from a completely different universe as the Wolverine in Logan. We all love Logan and this new comic accurate Wolverine. This new Deadpool movie looks so much better than Deadpool 2.
Thats coming from someone who hates the fact that Jackman and Stewart werent nominated for Logan. And trust me, i HATE how they unceremoniously killed Xavier in Dr. Strange 2. I just trust Ryan Reynolds and company to show Wolverine and the X-Men proper respect.
It's always a great day when Sam uploads
This is definitely an interesting perspective. Although I don't fully agree with it all.
Examples:
As many bad direct to dvd movies Bruce Willis made, he'll always be my favorite actor and his best movies are what I'll remember and appreciate.
As bad as Jurassic World Dominion is, I can just not rewatch it. It doesn't affect my love for the original films.
US Marshals does not live up to The Fugitive but it's another fun little adventure with the same characters. Absolutely has zero effect on the first movie.
I never held the Marvel/superhero movies to a standard to other movies. They were always EVENT movies to me. Or modern day serials. As saying this, for sure I might be seeing them with completely different eyes than someone who grew up with these on a regular basis. I saw the X-men movies once in the theater and occasional rewatches. I think most people watched these on the regular and has these on the same pedestal as other favorites. We all have different views on movies and thats a cool thing.
Thanks for the video, Sam. You do quality work. Great as always.
I have actually had a lot of the same thoughts as you, both before and after Deadpool & Wolverine was announced. I was bummed that we never got to see Wolverine and Deadpool team up before Logan was released. And now that same dilemma continues to be on my mind, whether it would be better to commit and let it rest, even at the cost of us having that much desired crossover.
Overall, my general attitude is that I can forgive it, if Deadpool & Wolverine hypothetically turns out to have a lot of heart, passion, and soul in its own right (which would at least make it less like what the soulless X-24 can symbolize). However, the MCU has been such a mixed bag post-Endgame for audiences, so I am not exactly counting on it. Either way, I plan to reserve judgement until Deadpool & Wolverine comes out, though I do share your artistic concerns.
Mcu wasnt perfect pre endgame. So yeah some projects post endgame werent great but others like wakanda forever, nwh,shang-chi, wandavision, loki season 1 and 2,guardians of the galaxy vol 3 amd x-men 97 so to be skeptical is silly.
The way I see it Jackman coming back is kind of like the multi-Doctor episodes of Doctor Who. It’s a lot of fun for the fans but does often mess with the sanctity of the show in the process. Hopefully this is just a one off and not part of a larger plan moving forward.
It’s a completely different Wolverine lol
In makebelieve land, yes it is. In the real world, Hugh Jackman's back as Wolverine. Regardless of whether it's a variant or whatever, Jackman's back in that role. That's the problem. 🤣
@@SamsChannelOfficial no it’s quite literally a different Wolverine from a Wolverine so no you’re literally just nitpicking
@@SamsChannelOfficial if you don’t like him being back boy are you gonna hate the cameos coming up in the multiverse saga 😭😭 like wtf yall find anything to be mad at this video is pointless
Fr but cant satisfy everyone ig there will always people mad even tho deadpool is going to be greatness
@@lexidashuliterally like we seen toby come back and Patrick. This is nothing new
The Deadpool movies did have their surprisingly tender moments. Especially 2. Plus, DP&W trailers do hint at an interesting arc for Logan. So it could be good. I just like to be optimistic at least
You're right, DP2 did have surprisingly tender moments, which is why I'm disappointed that in DP3, they're making the joke credits scene - where he goes back in time and undoes all the emotionally moving stuff from the movie - canon. I guess nothing really matters.
@SamsChannelOfficial Well, when you're aware you live in a medium where the status quo has to always be reset, I guess the least you can do is have fun with it. Even still, Wade remembers those moments, so they'll stick with him. It doesn't change how he feels about his family. He just found the means to bring his girl back, as someone would if they knew they existed in fiction. Idk, I see what you mean and all. It just didn't bother me the same way bc I see it differently. I think we could be pleasantly surprised by this one. Great video, though!
@@ImnotMattMurdock A fair perspective. As I say, I enjoyed the second and don't doubt the new film will be decent popcorn fun. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! ☺
As per usual, another great video!
Thank you, man 🙏🙏
My ex would enjoy this video. I wish I could send her this. I wish we could comment on it and then watch Logan.
I never clicked on a video faster
Okey npc
@@misterio337 fetl cool saying that incel?
I think your argument that Stewart's and Jackman's successive appearances after Logan dilutes their character falls apart when they were only adaptions to begin with.
There's def an argument for that, hence why I mentioned that Mangold and Jackman don't own the Wolverine character, but I also think it's fair to recognise when something has become so iconic that it gains a life of its own. If this were a new actor playing Wolverine, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Yeah, when the announcement happened he was coming back, I just shrugged. Personally doesn't ruin the significance of what the ending to Logan meant and I get the frustration (don't get me started on Toy Story). Logan is still one of my favorite comic book movies and Deadpool 3 definitely looks fun. Even if I wish Hugh just refuse from a friend, I can see that the people involved care not to step on the ending's toes and get there is care from everyone involved. If it sucked, I can still just say that it ended at Logan.
Still wish it was the brown and tan suit though. That's my favorite Wolverine look.
This recurring trend of making requels (part sequel/part reboot) has just made me numb to this sort of thing.
Also, nice to see some love for the brown and yellow suit! Loved it when X-Men '97 did it.
so needless to say Sam doesn't quite trust exces in suits to make decisions based on undying love of the arts and not the almighty Mula...
We never got wolverine vs hulk either
deadpool and woverine is pretty much a prequel to logan he isnt dead at the time of deadpool and woverine
It’s not that you’re wrong I just think it’s not that deep. It’d be one thing if the new movie was shitting on the legacy of Logan but that in no way seems to be the case. I understand the want for a bit more meaning in the meta but i don’t think bringing back actors is inherently a bad thing.
Would you argue the same thing when Ian McKellen came back as Gandalf in the hobbit or James Earl jones in the prequels? Quality of the writing aside, those franchises and characters had their endings but they still had stories to tell and I don’t see bringing those actors back as a spit in the face to what came before. In fact can’t it be argued that the last stand was really the meaningful end of the x men trilogy? They definitely intended that movie to have a certain amount of finality and yet they still kept churning out sequels and reboots and spin-offs afterwards. But it seems like we forget about that just because some of those movies turned out to be good like Logan or DOFP. I’m not trying to call hypocrisy but it’s an interesting discussion to have nonetheless
You raise some good points, definitely... In the case of Ian McKellen and James Earl Jones, the films they starred in weren't swan songs for their characters or their time playing those characters. Logan was a pretty definitive closing of a particular chapter in film history, both for Jackman and the audience.
It just feels like a bit of a slap in the face. You're training an audience not to allow itself to emotionally engage with these films or their characters, and I only see that as a bad thing.
We have no clue what they’re gonna do with it yet
It's a different wolverine.. enjoy the movie folks
Jackman is Logan. Same as RDJ is Ironman. When Feige decides to finally make a X-Men movie in the MCU maybe they decide to leave the character out. The team is big enough
You KNOW the after credits scene will be 'Wolverine's coming'. Hollywood can't help itself, ever.
Meh it’s a different version so I’m ok with it
Incredibly well said.
Ok, two months later, I think I speak for everyone who liked this video when I say we want to hear your thoughs on the movie, because it was exactly what you feared it would be.
I still cant believe those opening credits.
The opening credits was ironically the only part that used Wolverine well imo. It was actually funny and creative.
But the whole Diet Wolverine variant stuff? Yeah they did a very poor job at justifying Hugh Jackman returning to this role. It’s like this version of Logan was specifically written for a new actor to take over the role lmao.
@@Jellybob69he is a variant from another universe that failed the x-men. How is that a bad justification. Nothing about it indicated a new actor was made for the role.
How was it what he feared because this wolverine is a variant and goes through a good arc.
Artistic integrity is basically beyond dead at this point.
Damn that's a good title, because frankly Toy Story did (and continues to do) the same thing with it's sense of finality.
Even from the beginning, I've been skeptical about bringing Jackman back. Logan is my favorite superhero film and it changed the way that I view the genre.
This new film could very well be a mockery of the X-Men films that came before, and if that's the case, I'll be very sad.
X-Men (2000), X2, and DOFP are my X-Men trilogy and Logan always felt like a perfect epilogue to it. I'm exhausted and I'm frustrated by all of the new bad blockbusters coming out, and I'm preparing for the worst here.
Why? Those films got a *lot* wrong; they're asking to be mocked. I'm not saying there weren't good ones like the three you named, but there was way too much bad stuff as well.
@@ghidorah15yeah like superman legacy
@@motor4X4kombat Spare me the non-sequiturs.
You probably are in the minority... but I'm with ya, man.
I was going to say, Sam, you're overthinking this, until I realized I have the exact same complaints in regards to Hollywood's obsession with reboots and sequels, the 5 horsemen of Hollywood is what I've dubbed them, remakes, reboots, revivals, reimaginings, resequels?!, why try anything new when you can cash in on what already works, but hey let's look on the bright side, it's cuz Hugh's portrayal was actually legendary that causes its revival to be so contentious, I mean look at Affleck's Batman, no one cares whether he comes back as the character at all or not, and that's pretty sad too. 😅
You know, you're so spot on with the X-24 comparison. But I figured I'd throw in my own two cents on this whole thing.
It's so depressing to think how Birdman ended up becoming a prophecy in hindsight. Not just for Michael Keaton, but for actors in general. The entire point of that movie is that an actor doesn't have to be tied to one single role they did years ago. Actors can make a whole career for themselves and not have to be tied down to capeshit. But then movies like The Flash and now Deadpool & Wolverine come out to completely miss the point. All for the sake of dumb fanservice.
Now look, I know that actors have the final say and can say no if they want to, but the fact that bringing them back was an idea in the first place just shows how creatively bankrupt super hero movies have become in recent years.
11:00 Also, is it really that weird when this is Disney/Marvel we're talking about here?
Excellent video as always Sam! Glad to know there's still people like you who can watch these things objectively and not with rose-tinted glasses.
BTW F*ck that Wolverine costume. Once again, the Marvel method of adding lines and panels to costumes strikes again.
How about we wait till the movie comes out before saying its a bad idea.
This is mostly based on the principle of Jackman coming back alone. Even if the film turns out ok, which it very well might, the damage has already been done.
@@SamsChannelOfficial yeah sorry sam im not with you its a different version from logan which even that version you could argue is different from the days of future past version. Unless they were bringing back that same logan back from the dead and had him act out of character there is no damage done.
Would it have been nice if deadpool and wolverine came out before logan sure but it didnt and so long as it has a good story , along with the action and jokes and they tell a good story with this version , i have no issues.
Finally nice to see a new video from you sam i have been a fan of the channel since 2012.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 Fair enough man, it’s all your prerogative. My hangup is all to do with the story of film history rather than the in-universe explanation, which is arguably an extremely abstract concern. Appreciate you disagreeing and sharing the love all the same.✌️
FINALLY! Thank you so much!!!!! I absolutely hate that Hugh has come back and I hate that Patrick came back in Multiverse of Madness!!!!!! Logan should've been the end for their careers as Professor X and Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!! I have been constantly seeing people be like, "Logan isn't ruined because they are variants" and stuff like that.
I get it. At one point I myself didn't think Hugh coming back was a problem. But over the course of several months, I changed my mind. I actually think all of these people who are saying Logan isn't ruined are just trying to come up with the craziest ways to justify why Hugh is back.
I hate it, and it makes me lose a bit of respect for Hugh. That's so sad because he's one of my idols. But at the same time, I have no clue why he came back if he cares about artistic integrity. I'm sure a lot of people have seen that Deadpool 3 heineken commercial, and I have too. For me, it was so disgusting seeing Hugh in that commercial. He really just ruined the impact of Logan.
Also I just really feel like if you have to come up with a reason to justify a character's return after their last adventure, that's probably a sign that you should not bring them back. Also, Are you gonna see Deadpool 3 when it comes out?
I'm not. Hugh coming back just ruined everything for me. Deadpool was enough. I would have totally gone to see Deadpool 3 if it was another standalone movie. But NO, HUGH HAD TO COME BACK. I know that this movie will most likely make a lot of money which is very sad, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
I value artistic integrity over fan service. I want to show these studios that bringing back Hugh was a huge mistake. It will undoubtedly be a difficult task, but I would love to try. If by some miracle this movie flops, that would absolutely be the craziest thing in the world, but if it does make a lot of money, at least I can rest easy knowing that I didn't support this cashgrab.
I'm done with multiversal cameos reversing death and growth. I'm tired of characters getting assaasinated. I want these studios to know that we want nothing but the best. We want them to try. We want them to take risks. We will not settle for cheap multiversal cameos anymore. So all I have to say is, are you in?
Its funny these people are the same saying that "you can't have a mad max film without mad max" yet furiosa despite its flaws is still was better than most blockbusters this year. And now people are saying that D&W is going to be better because hugh jackman is back even though his hole presence demolish his entire meaningfull ending in Logan, similar to brining back RDJ return as iron man, even if you go with the lazy excuse that "its not the same iron man", it still unrespectfull to his entire character arc.
Oh and to make things better Dafne Keen is coming back as X-23... so yeah the entire ambiguity about the mutant kids in Logan is now lost because of fanservice.
@@motor4X4kombat Yeah. That is pretty sad. You going to see it?
@@EmmanuelRamirez817 im going just for morbid curiosity, the same curiosity i have when i watch no way home even though i knew back then that is going to be a fanservice trip. Plus it come out the same day when a friend celebrate his birthday and he invite me to see it
@@motor4X4kombat I'm not willingly going to see it. No way. I'm sick of the multiverse ruining the MCU. I hope the MCU stops with the multiverse after this film. That most likely won't happen but a guy can dream, right?
Maybe I'll watch it with a family member if they have no one else to go with them. Otherwise, there's no way I'm seeing this. Hope you have fun and have a great day!!!!!! Finally found someone else who shares my opinions.
Nah
Finally, someone with the balls to say it; this whole thing is just a bad idea.
Nothing against Hugh Jackman, man needs to work for a living (and after 24 freaking years, he sure deserves to make money off Wolverine), he does charity, and he was the one who insisted on making the Wolverine in this movie a "variant" so both Logan and the whole Fox continuity would remain untouched...however, this is at the cost of seeing a 60 years old man in yellow spandex jumping into a magic portal, literally the laziest AI generated script developed by Disney to get some dopamine running through the brains of the few people who still care about Marvel.
Hugh Jackman playing a "comic accurate" Wolverine at his age is a bad idea, making an R-rated Deadpool Disney movie is a bad idea, Ryan Reynolds (who is also already pushing his age playing Deadpool) still making the same dad jokes he made 15 years ago is a bad idea...but well, I think fucking up Deadpool is pretty much the last remaining thing for Disney to do with Marvel...sadly, at the cost of ruinning Logan's legacy (pretty much like they already did bringing back Patrick Stewart for that laughable role in Dr Strange 2)
You hit it right on the head.
Jackman is 55 years old and he looks pretty good for his age , HE WANTED to come back and have you actually seen the movie to say its an ai driven script. How is an r rated disney deadpool movie a bad idea.
They have fantastic four, x-men , doctor strange, thor, black panther, blade, daredevil, disney has plenty they can do with marvel lol.
can you imagine, how many decades of these lame foxmen movies and they never made a dedicated BWS Weapon X adaptation, that is truly a disrespectful disgrace and travesty.
I didn't like Logan so I actually don't mind anything that treads over it
I wasn't a huge fan of logan nother but i still find this disrespectfull
@@motor4X4kombatthe wolverine in logan still died that hasnt changed.
If we leave in a world where people praise godzilla minus one for taking serious the idea of a giant monster created by the arogance and violent nature of hunanity... but still also praise a stupid cgi lizard with dragon ball powers up with no backstory behind it just to see him fight generic monters or a monkee just to go "well its fun it wasn't mean to be the next citizen kane. And is also not woke fest. So of course its good"
Then true art only exist as a shield when people don't know better only to keep cosuming shit that fitt in their political agenda.
What on earth are you even going on about? This is just a jumble of words. I feel like I'm having a stroke reading your comment.
@@stevenfraser81 I think the poster is just salty that high art and popcorn fun are allowed to coexist.
@@ghidorah15 keep playing with your mindless toys.
@@motor4X4kombat Oh, shut up. You just proved you're nothing but a bully trying to mock other people for enjoying movies that don't always take themselves seriously.
The fuck does Godzilla have to do with Wolverine? Is he going to the Savage Land lol.
Also Godzilla has been a franchise of varying tones. They've been a balance of silly fun and serious in most installments after the original came out. If I am ok with Shin Godzilla playing up a serious attack on Tokyo as they try to evactuate civilians and have tons of scenes involving boardroom meetings, then I'm also ok with Invasion of Astro Monster have Godzilla do a silly jumping dance. Its fine.
Okey fake cinema elitist
Eh?
It's a different wolverine.. enjoy the movie folks