Since you've mentioned it's one of the first things you read when you got into comics, would you be interested in talking about Cable & Deadpool in the future?
@CasuallyComics May I suggest the chimmichanga joke? It's my favorite scene in that run, and it morphed into one of the most obnoxious running jokes in Deadpool's long list of running jokes.
Considering all the skewering and chopping these two do to each other, and that they talk about still feeling pain despite their healing factors, it still feels like they have fun fighting each other in a way no other comic characters do. I mean, not like Wolverine would ever admit it.
I always laugh at the scene in X-Force Vol 3 when they're in the future trying to find Cable and Wolverine stabs Deadpool through the head and Deadpool asks if he's a telepathy now because he can feel him in his brain.
At the time this issue came out, it was kind of infamous. Several of Vanessa’s poses were directly copied from Jim Lee’s Wild Cats art. It was referenced multiple times in a Wizard magazine article published later. Afraid I don’t remember the Wizard magazine issue number.
This is the Deadpool that's always stuck in my mind. I was irked they disregarded the Circle Chase, but not super surprised. He was a good villain in those days.
I've gotten pretty burned out on Deadpool in general. But if I had to choose between this version and the non stop Looney Tunes version I would go with this. He has been Flanderized.
Best description. The first Deadpool movie over time went from good to alright. But since that time from the second movie and comics.....I can't stand him
I remember seeing the book cover on the stand in 94. I had to have it. I still have that copy. I was a big WildC.A.T.s fan at that time too and noted the first Zealot appearance stance "copied" by Copycat.
I was a Deadpool early adopter, peacing out when he became too wacky and ubiquitous. I remember loving this when this came out; this Deadpool told his jokes with a sneer, never too far from being downright menacing. I’ve always wondered if that Porky Pig homage was inspiration for “Widdle Wade” in Joe Kelly’s run.
I use movie/TV production analogies when explaining comics to people who don't read them. Lettering is the sound mixing, and like audio, you only really notice when it's very bad or very good, but it's mostly just in the background unless you look for it. Truly underappreciated.
Would love an episode on the Wolverine and Hulk issue if you haven’t covered it yet! I think it’s such an interesting introduction to the character and always a fun fight to reference!
I think the cover is referenced in an actual comic fight. It was one of their rematches in a Deadpool storyline. Deadpool was hallucinating some random woman and Doctor Bong pr Bell or whatever thought that fighting Wolverine would bring a revelation. The fight ended with Wolverine skewering Wade in a similar manner to the iconic cover. I don’t remember the exact number but it’s the one where Deadpool does a shoryuken on Kitty
Two things: 1. Yes, an´t believe we thought the 90´s style in comics was so cool when now it looks so dated. More son than previous times. 2. Anyone remember when, as kids, we´d bring the comics to school (or whatever), and talk about how amazing it was that said thing happen in the comics? They were part of our regular lives.
I HAD this one.... I was a big Wolvie fan and was collecting his issues at the time. The issue (for me,... "mileage will vary," lol) was solid. It did give me the impression that Wade could be a serious threat, if not the most stable one. I also have a fondness for all the Kuberts (Joe, Andy, and Adam), but I will admit... it was so VERY 90s.... especially 90s X-series. But I liked it. It definitely planted that see in me that Wade was not dumb.... crazy maybe,... but not dumb. I didn't really realize at the time that was the first time Logan had really met him up to that point, what with Deadpool having been an X-villain for at least a few years by that point... This video also gave me so much nostalgia for that era of Wolvie. I actually really enjoyed his adamantium-less period, and would have been okay with him being without it for longer. It gave us better insight into how his powers really worked, and how much pain he always fought thru to be the man he was. I could go on gushing about this issue and the era some more, but I think I'll leave it there. LOVED the video
Glad you pointed out how this story completely negates deadpool and Vanessa story in Deadpool’s first mini, that always bothered me. But I still Loved this comic. I was a huge deadpool guy in the 90’s.
This makes me wonder… who has the bigger bro-mance with Deadpool, Wolverine or Cable. I prefer the tension between Deadpool and Wolverine, but I feel like Wade and Cable spend more time together… it’s a tough call
As far as DP kicking Copycat in the face, if you're in that line of work, EXPECT TO GET KICKED IN THE FACE! By anyone, anytime. Don't hand me that "I'm a weak, widdle woman" magilla. If she'd been a CIVILIAN, that'd be one thing. But if you're Copycat, Shadowcat, She-Hulk, Titania, or Elektra, expect to get a faceful of pain at any given moment. And then give as good as you get.
As a 90's kid I'm totally getting this facsimile. The 90's art style is kind of refreshing. A lot of today's marvel art is heavily influenced by animation. And I like it better when comics are their own thing.
1:33 art is subjective of course, but I agree with your assessment of this alternate cover swapping the two characters. In fact, imo it’s quite awful. What is going on with Wolverine’s mask at the bottom? When has it ever looked like that. Bizarre.
Oh. It’s the marks on his shoulders. That’s why the color swap is such a mistake. It makes the drawing unintelligible to the point where I thought those were part of his mask. Made it look like Sunfire’s mask almost
While I appreciate that the seeds for the long-running dynamic between Deadpool and Wolverine are clearly there in this issue, I'm more disappointed that over the course of the _movies_ that Morena Baccarin's adaptation of Vanessa hasn't exhibited any of the Copycat powers so far. I was expecting even just one scene where the camera zooms in on her face, her eyes go fully black, then she copies some power from memory, maybe Wade's heightened reflexes or something, uses it briefly to fight, only to then get stomped by Gina Carano's Angel Dust and put into the capsule. Also, in my eyes Garrison Kane has been and always will be a perennial jobber. XD
Deadpool threatening to kill his ex and her new boyfriend, while the story is actually all about Wolverine, really highlights how the 90s was the decade of casual domestic violence.
I remember reading this at the library in the trade, Vol. 8 or something, and I wasn't sure if this was the first time they fought or not lol. It's a shame it was when Wolverine had bone claws, since they're not as iconic as his metal claws, but oh well. I kind of liked Larry Hama's take on Deadpool, it wasn't "wacky" or "annoying" necessarily.
I've never read Wolverine #88. However, after watching your review, I'd really want to check it out, if only to see Deadpool and Wolvey's first fight... as well as for the movie!
Deadpool used to be badass and unique with his antics. But over the recent years, hes less badass and just a goofy idiot. I dont have expectations for the movie and not sure if thats a good or bad thing
I hope that the reference the cover in the movie I have a feeling it might happen but I’m really hoping that cover is dope asf like the (angled one same way the did the Civil War cover)
Another great review and analysis. First, yeah I also love lettering. It can add so much to both the art and the story. And second, generally, I loath the "good guys meet up and have a mild disagreement so of course they have to fight to the death now" trope. But, Deadpool wasn't really a "good guy" (still really isn't), and Wolverine has always only been one... barely. But I think the shtick works for them.
Think he has to be flipping backwards in the spread for his posing to make any sense. Wolverine came in hot ready to slice and dice, so Deadpool creates some distance.
Larry Hama does NOT get the reverence he deserves.. He rightfully belongs on Mt.Rushmore of comics… I do not think many in modern comics values his contributions as they do Mcfarlane, Lee, and Liefeld. GenX lived thru Real-Life of all the above and it was Hama who even those looked up too . What people forget is how “ professional “Hama was as a writer… how his runs on GIJoe, Wolverine, and Punisher was written with a character’s character in mind. How he was able to bring reader up to speed… even if you knew nothing about character ( as with his latest run on Iron Fist) … so kiddos… Larry Hama is amazing and should be more recognized
Too bad I missed this one back in the day. I had stopped buying Wolverine regularly after Marc Silvestri left. This issue looks way more fun than most of the X-books during that period (after the exodus to Image). I collected all of that Deadpool limited series, though (I was a sucker for special covers and Madureira's art was stylish).
Really makes me wonder if X-Men '97 will tackle their own take at this. Earth-92131 better get the guy a well deserved spotlight, regardless if it'll be his more iconic wacky metaguy iteration or the dead serious, terse-sounding iteration before that.
Liefeld didn’t draw this, he was at Image by this point. But yes, much of the Fabio Laguna artwork in this issue is ripped from Jim Lee’s WildCATs and X-Men work.
Who is your fav Deadpool or Wolverine?
Dead Wolverine (and if this isn't the name of some punk metal band, it should be!)
I'm personally more attracted to Wolverine...
Lobo 😊
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Since you've mentioned it's one of the first things you read when you got into comics, would you be interested in talking about Cable & Deadpool in the future?
I'm still re-reading their omnibus, so I'm often thinking of fun things to talk about with them, and then I get sidetracked lol
@CasuallyComics May I suggest the chimmichanga joke? It's my favorite scene in that run, and it morphed into one of the most obnoxious running jokes in Deadpool's long list of running jokes.
@@CasuallyComics It's not hard to resist being distra--ooooh, butterfly!
I really much prefer this version of Deadpool. He really is "The Merc With the Mouth."
Considering all the skewering and chopping these two do to each other, and that they talk about still feeling pain despite their healing factors, it still feels like they have fun fighting each other in a way no other comic characters do. I mean, not like Wolverine would ever admit it.
Sounds erotic.
I always laugh at the scene in X-Force Vol 3 when they're in the future trying to find Cable and Wolverine stabs Deadpool through the head and Deadpool asks if he's a telepathy now because he can feel him in his brain.
At the time this issue came out, it was kind of infamous. Several of Vanessa’s poses were directly copied from Jim Lee’s Wild Cats art. It was referenced multiple times in a Wizard magazine article published later. Afraid I don’t remember the Wizard magazine issue number.
This is the Deadpool that's always stuck in my mind. I was irked they disregarded the Circle Chase, but not super surprised. He was a good villain in those days.
I've gotten pretty burned out on Deadpool in general. But if I had to choose between this version and the non stop Looney Tunes version I would go with this. He has been Flanderized.
Best description. The first Deadpool movie over time went from good to alright. But since that time from the second movie and comics.....I can't stand him
I remember seeing the book cover on the stand in 94. I had to have it. I still have that copy. I was a big WildC.A.T.s fan at that time too and noted the first Zealot appearance stance "copied" by Copycat.
Yeah, that pose screamed Jim Lee to me, too.
I was a Deadpool early adopter, peacing out when he became too wacky and ubiquitous. I remember loving this when this came out; this Deadpool told his jokes with a sneer, never too far from being downright menacing.
I’ve always wondered if that Porky Pig homage was inspiration for “Widdle Wade” in Joe Kelly’s run.
Lettering isn't discussed enough and I hope you'll keep drawing attention to it. Back in the 80s, I was a big fan of John Workman's lettering.
I use movie/TV production analogies when explaining comics to people who don't read them. Lettering is the sound mixing, and like audio, you only really notice when it's very bad or very good, but it's mostly just in the background unless you look for it. Truly underappreciated.
I agree I like that Deadpool way better then what we got now Deadpool was actually scary and dangerous
Would love an episode on the Wolverine and Hulk issue if you haven’t covered it yet! I think it’s such an interesting introduction to the character and always a fun fight to reference!
Every time The Circle Chase is mentioned I'm reminded of the fact that Deadpool had a villain named Commcast.
8:50 Rolling around at the speed of sound
Got places to go
Gotta follow my rainbow.
I think the cover is referenced in an actual comic fight. It was one of their rematches in a Deadpool storyline. Deadpool was hallucinating some random woman and Doctor Bong pr Bell or whatever thought that fighting Wolverine would bring a revelation. The fight ended with Wolverine skewering Wade in a similar manner to the iconic cover. I don’t remember the exact number but it’s the one where Deadpool does a shoryuken on Kitty
Two things:
1. Yes, an´t believe we thought the 90´s style in comics was so cool when now it looks so dated. More son than previous times.
2. Anyone remember when, as kids, we´d bring the comics to school (or whatever), and talk about how amazing it was that said thing happen in the comics? They were part of our regular lives.
Wow, I remember reading the issue and I may still have it somewhere in my house.
That sword dilemma makes NO SENSE. It's hurting my head more than a flying sword
I HAD this one.... I was a big Wolvie fan and was collecting his issues at the time. The issue (for me,... "mileage will vary," lol) was solid. It did give me the impression that Wade could be a serious threat, if not the most stable one. I also have a fondness for all the Kuberts (Joe, Andy, and Adam), but I will admit... it was so VERY 90s.... especially 90s X-series. But I liked it. It definitely planted that see in me that Wade was not dumb.... crazy maybe,... but not dumb. I didn't really realize at the time that was the first time Logan had really met him up to that point, what with Deadpool having been an X-villain for at least a few years by that point... This video also gave me so much nostalgia for that era of Wolvie. I actually really enjoyed his adamantium-less period, and would have been okay with him being without it for longer. It gave us better insight into how his powers really worked, and how much pain he always fought thru to be the man he was. I could go on gushing about this issue and the era some more, but I think I'll leave it there. LOVED the video
One of my favorite issues. I even recreated a couple of the pages in my sketchbook when i used to drew.
How was Kane supposed to stop the sword targeting Vanessa and not dodge the sword targeting him simultaneously?
Glad you pointed out how this story completely negates deadpool and Vanessa story in Deadpool’s first mini, that always bothered me. But I still Loved this comic. I was a huge deadpool guy in the 90’s.
This makes me wonder… who has the bigger bro-mance with Deadpool, Wolverine or Cable. I prefer the tension between Deadpool and Wolverine, but I feel like Wade and Cable spend more time together… it’s a tough call
As far as DP kicking Copycat in the face, if you're in that line of work, EXPECT TO GET KICKED IN THE FACE! By anyone, anytime. Don't hand me that "I'm a weak, widdle woman" magilla.
If she'd been a CIVILIAN, that'd be one thing. But if you're Copycat, Shadowcat, She-Hulk, Titania, or Elektra, expect to get a faceful of pain at any given moment.
And then give as good as you get.
As a 90's kid I'm totally getting this facsimile. The 90's art style is kind of refreshing. A lot of today's marvel art is heavily influenced by animation. And I like it better when comics are their own thing.
1:33 art is subjective of course, but I agree with your assessment of this alternate cover swapping the two characters. In fact, imo it’s quite awful. What is going on with Wolverine’s mask at the bottom? When has it ever looked like that. Bizarre.
Oh. It’s the marks on his shoulders. That’s why the color swap is such a mistake. It makes the drawing unintelligible to the point where I thought those were part of his mask. Made it look like Sunfire’s mask almost
im just waiting for the two to start their firefighter calander career
While I appreciate that the seeds for the long-running dynamic between Deadpool and Wolverine are clearly there in this issue, I'm more disappointed that over the course of the _movies_ that Morena Baccarin's adaptation of Vanessa hasn't exhibited any of the Copycat powers so far. I was expecting even just one scene where the camera zooms in on her face, her eyes go fully black, then she copies some power from memory, maybe Wade's heightened reflexes or something, uses it briefly to fight, only to then get stomped by Gina Carano's Angel Dust and put into the capsule.
Also, in my eyes Garrison Kane has been and always will be a perennial jobber. XD
Deadpool threatening to kill his ex and her new boyfriend, while the story is actually all about Wolverine, really highlights how the 90s was the decade of casual domestic violence.
I remember reading this at the library in the trade, Vol. 8 or something, and I wasn't sure if this was the first time they fought or not lol. It's a shame it was when Wolverine had bone claws, since they're not as iconic as his metal claws, but oh well. I kind of liked Larry Hama's take on Deadpool, it wasn't "wacky" or "annoying" necessarily.
I've never read Wolverine #88.
However, after watching your review, I'd really want to check it out, if only to see Deadpool and Wolvey's first fight... as well as for the movie!
Deadpool used to be badass and unique with his antics. But over the recent years, hes less badass and just a goofy idiot. I dont have expectations for the movie and not sure if thats a good or bad thing
I hope that the reference the cover in the movie I have a feeling it might happen but I’m really hoping that cover is dope asf like the (angled one same way the did the Civil War cover)
Pleeease make another video on Tim Drake! 🙏❤❤❤
I was hoping you would cover this, thank you!!!
-the way Wolverine was drawn in this issue is so…. 🔥🥵 haha
Another great review and analysis. First, yeah I also love lettering. It can add so much to both the art and the story. And second, generally, I loath the "good guys meet up and have a mild disagreement so of course they have to fight to the death now" trope. But, Deadpool wasn't really a "good guy" (still really isn't), and Wolverine has always only been one... barely. But I think the shtick works for them.
Think he has to be flipping backwards in the spread for his posing to make any sense. Wolverine came in hot ready to slice and dice, so Deadpool creates some distance.
Larry Hama does NOT get the reverence he deserves.. He rightfully belongs on Mt.Rushmore of comics… I do not think many in modern comics values his contributions as they do Mcfarlane, Lee, and Liefeld. GenX lived thru Real-Life of all the above and it was Hama who even those looked up too . What people forget is how “ professional “Hama was as a writer… how his runs on GIJoe, Wolverine, and Punisher was written with a character’s character in mind. How he was able to bring reader up to speed… even if you knew nothing about character ( as with his latest run on Iron Fist) … so kiddos… Larry Hama is amazing and should be more recognized
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I'm a huge fan of Larry Hama, and his humor is always fun so I enjoy this one.
Too bad I missed this one back in the day. I had stopped buying Wolverine regularly after Marc Silvestri left.
This issue looks way more fun than most of the X-books during that period (after the exodus to Image).
I collected all of that Deadpool limited series, though (I was a sucker for special covers and Madureira's art was stylish).
As a not american person, I've never understood all the food eufemism you guys have with food and acting. Ham, Corny, cheesy, etc
wait, what happened in DP and wolvie's second outing? worth the read?
Casually Comics can you please make a list of all the books of the X-Men Krakoan Era in order please
Wait, who made these amazing animated background?
Could you do a video on why it became part of wolverines lore to train with/as a samurai
Hey, I've actually got this comic.
I do think it's neat. I
remember that age of dead pool
Definitely loved the Deadpool jokes
Layered like a spiral ham
I own 3 copies of this signed near mint - mint
proof you cant win with holes
I love your shirt Sasha!
Interesting 🤨 I never knew
When I moved to Texas as a kid, Frisco was a blink-and-you-miss-it town. Now even Canadian UA-camrs have heard of it, lol!
ooo snazzy outro music!
Conveniently, the first volume of Cable & Deadpool is on the Hoopla Bonus Borrows for June 2024.
Really makes me wonder if X-Men '97 will tackle their own take at this. Earth-92131 better get the guy a well deserved spotlight, regardless if it'll be his more iconic wacky metaguy iteration or the dead serious, terse-sounding iteration before that.
You should do Alpha Flight next Sasha their Canada's Greatest Superhero Team.
Absorbing for potential references in upcoming movie - thank you
That shirt looks so comfy! I like the dolphin fins but otherwise I think it's got too much going on.
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I have this comic… Somewhere?🧐🤨
Awww, good times~
Grats on 200k 🎉🎉
Wolverine looks better taller
Rob liefield stole the layouts and pencils from Jim Lee and wildcats in almost every panel for this issue
Liefeld didn’t draw this, he was at Image by this point. But yes, much of the Fabio Laguna artwork in this issue is ripped from Jim Lee’s WildCATs and X-Men work.