You prolly dont give a shit but if you're bored like me during the covid times then you can stream all of the latest series on instaflixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother lately :)
Thank you all for the likes! Be safe, wash hands and love one another. Hey also I want you to never forget who you are and why you're alive now. Life is a gift, the most amazing, rarest gift in the Universe. Even if they take every ounce of your freedom, because you were to asleep to noice, there will still be a place inside your heart that shines brighter than all the stars in the universe!!!!!!!!!!!👏😁
yea, like in Italy we had some towns with more that 5400% of deaths compared to other years. Totally fine. It's just a flu broh. www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronavirus-the-real-death-tool-4500-victims-in-one-month-in-the-province-of_1347414_11/ HAHAHAHAHA SWEDEN IS GOING TO BE SO FUCKED UP
I am a Taiwanese living in Sweden. Just want to clarify - Taiwan imposes no lockdown. Like Sweden, it’s business as usual, schools are open. People are acting very cautiously when going about their lives. Public spaces (elevator buttons, handrails etc) are cleaned and sanitized several times a day to prevent contact transmissions. Temperatures are checked and sanitizers offered at the entrance if you are to enter buildings/offices, some restaurants/cafes. People wear masks and practice social distancing. Mass gatherings are canceled or advised to be canceled. What’s different is that Taiwan imposes containment measures and has been doing rigorous contact tracing since the beginning of January. So people who came in contact with patients tested positive or people who entered into Taiwan are required to do mandatory self quarantine at home for 14 days while the rest of the population goes about their businesses. These people are subsidized as an encouragement to stay home. So the goal is to limit the spread to the minimal extent in order to buy time for effective anti-viral medicine and vaccine. Sweden on the other hand is not really containing the spread. The strategy here is to reach the herd immunity status so the goal is not to limit the spread but to let the disease spread slowly through population. However, when we could reach the herd immunity status remains debatable within the public health community. And there is no consensus with regard to how long the immunity will last. Also, at this point, we don’t even know exactly what percentage the spread is here in Sweden. The statistics offered by HFM are built on various assumptions and theoretical modelling. Also, we don’t even know if there will be long-term damage to the lungs after young, healthy people have recovered from covid-19. I think people or even scientists are worried about Sweden’s approach because of these different unknown factors and the fact that we are dealing with a novel virus which we know little about. At this point, it’s hard to say which approach or strategy is better. Guess we will know when this is over. But regardless lockdown or no lockdown, the damage in economy is evident everywhere even in Sweden or Taiwan. No single country is able to get out of this with the so-called minimal economic tolls given the globalization.
Phoenie Chen I guess that’s the differences people don’t understand.... I live in Sweden but I’m from Portugal and lived in different countries in Asia. Sweden has 10x more deaths than its Scandinavian neighbors. I don’t find Sweden’s approach the best for this people, only for its economy and that’s sad
@@ThorsteinnK Not at all! People over 70 and in risk groups are advised to isolate as much as possible. Most of them do. It is not allowed to visit nursing homes. Where is the sacrificing? I get the impression that you want Sweden to fail.
Veronica Lanzen so you are saying that those 2000 plus people who died are not old nor weak? I’m actually curious. People in their 40 & 50s can die too bc they are still working and their immune system is not like in their 20s, or they are considered old in Sweden and they are in their homes? also no ones wants Sweden to fails, we want people not to die, we want to see governments worried about economy but still putting people safety first
This won't be fixed by May 4. This won't be fixed June 4, July 4, August 4, September 4, October 4. My prediction. This crisis will end November 4, as in the day after the election (November 3). On November 4, this will cease to be a political football. After all the next election will be two years away. The politicians will also cease to care whether your "hero doctor" is overworked or dead, or if your grandmother is dead in a nursing home. At least, not until the next election season. My Governor reared up on his hind legs and proclaimed this is about science, not about politics. When a politician says "it's not about politics", one thing you know.......it's about politics.
There is a certain group of people in the US who will do and say anything in hopes of damaging the Trump presidency. Scary people more so than the virus itself
Amen brother. Either you're a proper good liberal and for a complete lockdown until the vaccine arrives or you're an extreme Trumpist who wants to open the economy tomorrow. I've been a liberal progressive my whole life, and I've recently been accused of being a Trump supporter because I disagree with the mainstream media narrative.
The way this virus has been politicized was the last straw for me as a lifelong democratic voter. Say what you will about trump, but the reaction to him from Democrats, which has included idolizing neoconservative scam artists, and defending a dysfunctional status quo in our domestic and foreign policies, has exposed just how full of crap the democratic party truly is. Trumps heterodoxy has made it impossible for them to continue to play good cop to the Republicans bad cop in a way that is coherent and believable. And so they are becoming increasingly erratic and hysterical. And desperate to get back to the kind of "normalcy" where the two parties stick to the program of distracting and dividing the electorate by politicizing social issues that will never be resolved, while continuing down a road that is leading towards a future where wealth and power are consolidated into a tiny group of multinational corporations.
Correction: Taiwan was never locked down, they are one of the countries that responded to Covid-19 very early on, sounding the alarm to the world health organization (WHO) but was ignored due to politics. Taiwan has successfully contained the spread on its own without the help from WHO.
I am from Taiwan. Your correction is right. We have never locked down (so far), because we are the earliest to take action. We also have enough domestic production of masks and other necessary equipment. We are taking precautions, such as requiring everyone in public transport to wear a mask. The precautionary actions and cooperation of the public has helped us handle the virus well.
Long story short: Swedish people rarely live with their parents or grandparents, they often live by themselves. And the government has Universal Healthcare and Paid Sick Leave, they do not force employees to go back to work while sick. These things make self quarantine, social distancing, and protection of the elderly much more practical.
But unfortunately the elders still got sick, especially in Stockholm. I heard a story that a woman had covid-19 and still worked at the elderly home! That’s horrible... But it seems that it has gotten better now.
Just as a lot of other countries actually. Meanwhile the rates per million are going up in Sweden. Thing is, there are only 10 million people living in Sweden and the country is big. That's why this sort of works. Compared to a country like Taiwan the situation is not that good.
Sorry, does not explain the low death rate as compared to the UK! Sweden introduced safe distancing and testing immediately and but without locking down the economy. This resulted in stopping the virus traveling. The population continued going to work, pubs, restaurants etc. They did not confine themselves their homes as you have stated. The UK got it wrong from the start by stopping testing! The government listened to the likes of Prof. Ferguson who has a 20 yer record of failed epidemic modelling!
Well this video didn't age very well. Like at all. Adjusted for population, Sweden has one of the highest - if not thee highest - coronavirus death-rates in the world. Sweden's COVID-19 death count of 4,795 is equivalent to there being 143,850 in the United States. That's an absurdly high amount of deaths compared to your neighbors in Norway and Denmark. Furthermore, we don't know how this disease is going to affect people in the long run and whether or not people can fully recover. And we don't know if the antibodies generated as a result of a SARS-CoV-2 infection actually confers any type of long-term immunity to it. The argument for saving the economy is probably the weakest and most reprehensible. It is incumbent upon a society to do everything in its power to protect the most vulnerable - in this case the elderly. They are the very people who built Sweden and made into the great country that you've been so fortunate in inheriting from them. It is your duty to do anything and everything in your power to make sure that they are protected and safe from this, and your society has failed miserably at that. What's most pathetic in all of this is that you didn't even try despite all of the early warnings from other countries about just how bad it was going to be. Sweden has deliberately chosen to put profits over people's lives. Why? So that millennials and gen-x'ers can continue going out to bars and restaurants? Herd immunity? Please. More like culling the herd.
But Sweden was just experimenting. Plus, death is a natural part of life - and you get to shake Jesus' hand when you die. He gives you a gold watch, and then you have a picnic
What are they talking about? COVID is not the flu. Even you recover, your body already damaged by the virus. A study from the UK shows some children have brain damage after getting COVID.
I'm from Spain. In mid-march we had a hard lockdown for two months. You could not leave your house unless you were an essential worker or to take groceries. The lockdown was heavy enforced by the police, and some people were arrested. The lockdown was softened in june, but everyone is required to wear a mask everywhere. Spain has one of the highest covid 19 deaths, far worse than Sweden, same with Italy or Belgium, countries where lockdowns were also enforced. How is that possible if swedes are wrong?
Unfortunately, in the USA we are more unhealthy than Sweden. Obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease all plays a part in our mortality rate.
I'd say also, your pictures show people outside. That has been documented to help stop the spread. Find me a row a restaurant's with outdoor seating like that during winter/ colder months. I teach, if I asked my students to play outside, I'd spend handed the time listening them complain about cold they are because fashion is more important than function. (I work just outside a city, so the populace view a bit skewed).
In South Korea, we do feel much safer, no second wave at all. New confrimed patient is less than 10 people in whole nation. So far I'm quite proud of my nation and our all medical supports
I'm very proud of South Korea too. However, your people and your government suffered before with SARS and therefore, you were much well prepared than the rest of the world. You were educated about masks and social distancing long before Europe.Moreover, the South Korean government with the previous outbreaks already had a system in place. You are also some of the smartest people in the world, you know how to behave. Unfortunately, your approach only work well in a country where the people are responsible as much as the South Koreans are. I do have some criticism but you are definitely in a much better position than the rest of the world because you have been effectively testing, what others, especially EU countries are failing to do.
Sweden's deaths per million population is even higher than USA. See www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ yourself.
@@TaijaT76 The US is likely massively under reporting deaths - there isn't blanket testing of all deaths, even if suspected www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/04/14/underreporting-of-covid-19-deaths-in-the-us-and-europe/#316f207b82d7
“The people Trust their Government and the government Trust it’s people”. Sweden is already ahead of the world with that one simple statement. Here in the USA, not so much.
I had the same thought- Greetings from Norway. There is no such as a country where there is no form of corruption in the structure of the worlds/countries. Its impossible to have zero, its just human nature to want more and scheme towards our own benefits and or for others benefits and try to turn things into a positive to achieve those goals.
I'm from Spain. After a lockdown of almost 2 months, our herd immunity is only of 5%. What's been the point of all of this? Jobs ruined, a damaged economy...and almost the same risk of contagion
Open the country up. Keep the old, fat, weak people inside and let everyone else live free. It's sad to see how Spain operated and continues to operate.
@delonix regia Always up for a friendly competition. 😁 My city I'm in is opening up against our state's orders. We're tired of liberal socialist scumbags ruining our lives. We want our freedom back! Good luck reopening! God bless.
Spread of this virus is containable with the correct mitigation measures. Lockdown should be followed by some solid mitigation plans to greatly reduce the risk of another spike.
@@FunkyBobFett what happens when the old, fat, weak people get into contact with their family members coming in from the outside? Unless you are suggesting sending the weak fat people to special places?
@@judymurray191 Hard for an American to believe but compared to us, where without corruption the government would refuse to function as it is built into the system, I'll grant that Sweden has none.
Well, Sweden does not pay obscene salaries for the people working for the government (parliament, for instance!)... so, if you decide to work for the government you really want to serve your country... I live in Brazil right now where the politicians have obsene wages PLUS a LOT OF fringe benefits (they are all rich, but they get "support income for housing, for Suits (dah?!), and insurance for the WHOLE Family - even though they pay private insurance and have access to the best private hospital in the country, where as the common worker has a hard time getting minimal health care!) and Brazilian politicians made corruption into an art form! Even during the corona crisis, they still keep voting for more privileges for themselves (like pension for all their children until the age of 29 or so...!) and at the same time they zeroed down pension for the common workers... the time spans are so long that most people now will die before they can apply for pension! Even (unmarried) daughters of military personell have pensions (high) for life... why would you get married, then?! The school system is a sad thing to watch (I know, because I am a primary school teacher!). TH SUS (general health care) is a great IDEA, but in the reality way under funded and all the health care workers get really low wages, accross the board... so, the system works ALWAYS to its capacities... now in the corona crisis we see how importante the system is and how debilitated it was. The sanitary system in Brazil is a shambles... in a crisis like this, who will suffer the most?! No, not Middle and upper class... they have health insurance and all that jazz, live in well maintainde neighborhoods.... but the people wo live in very sub standard housing will suffer tremendously.. All of this is corruption... is crime against humanity... and it is done inn the name of politis, by politicians in greed... How is that about corruption in comparisson with Sweden, huh?!
I think Sweden was right to introduce lighter measures. There's no sense of shutting down everything. You can see how it ends: agressive protests (not only in the US), thousands of people losing there jobs, anxiety, depression, mental problems... and yes, people die from covid but most of them would die anyway from other diseases, sadly. I totally agree with lighter measures, because you can ot really see in Sweden these disadvantageous consecuences of the total closure. Most younger people would be okay with covid, experts say this, so why closing schools and jobs? Protect the elderly, give them quarantine, tell younger not to get too close to their elder family members, raise consciousness about this and let the under-60-year-olds live their lives!!!
I'm from Taiwan. Just want to correct your info. There hasn't been a lock down here at all. Everything is pretty normal, except that almost everyone wears a mask and people practice more social distancing. The government spends a lot of efforts tracking people who have contacted with the infected people. If you have contacted with them, you will be asked to self-quarantined at home for two weeks and then tested. So far this strategy works quite well. Very low spread and death. Most cases in the past month were people who came back from abroad. Very few domestic cases.
Taiwan's response is amazing from what I've heard (in the US). You were able to contain the virus, whereas we let it spread all over and the only option at that point was mitigation. We acted too late. It was very frustrating since we had the chance to follow what was happening elsewhere with a month's notice at least. Our government also doesn't care much about testing people (well the scientists emphasize it's grave importance, but the officials don't listen). Science saves lives...
I hear that Taiwan also got lucky, but then better lucky that good. Chinese tourism was cut off since summer 2019, because of a little spat between China and Taiwan. This does not downgrade the response, and containment that Taiwan achieved. But, your boarders are closed, and not many cases within your boarders. The questions, how to open those boarders, and when to open boarders. If you want to continue to keep these numbers of cases small you will need to keep your boarders closed until there is vaccine. That could be 1 year..... I'm still liking the response of Sweden more and more each day. Taiwan's numbers are excellent, but how long can this continue. A large part of Taiwan's GDP is electronics companies. TSMC is a good example, and in order to run companies like this you need to have open boarders. At some point the big question will be raised. Is a ?percentage? of death worth opening the boarders?
@@SailingAquarius its only people that are not allowed to travel. Goods still travel. Also 800k Taiwanese work in Mainland china, so Taiwan was very cautious from the very beginning since dec-jan.. Taiwan economy doing ok, also the vice pm of Taiwan is an epidemiologist
true that. It's a shame but people in those western countries are totally brainwashed and very well endoctrinated. We need to get rid of the media. The richest are getting richer right now and the poor getting poorer
Very true. In America, our healthcare system is all kinds of fucked up, we have way more people in a larger country, and our government doesn't want to take care of us because it's seen as a "handout" and people get all pissy about that and they want the money to go toward the corporations instead of the people. So people need to open their businesses back up. A lot of people think this is a fine way to live, but this is why our infection rate and death rate will be what it is. Sorry I used the word "people" so much and sorry for the run on sentences. It is what it is lol
Juan Valdesz indeed. 3500+ deaths passing Netherlands in death rate, and we have 3.5 more than deaths than the rest of Nordic and baltic countries combined. An utter disaster denying oxygen masks to old people in the elderly homes and therby violating the Human Rights with the right to healthcare
@@juanvaldesz7603 ... And lots less than the UK, Spain, Italy... And the first wave is coming to an end, let's see how the countries that locked down handle their second wave. Choose your stats to keep you in your bubble of you like though
Hindsight is always 20-20. Now we know Sweden has the highest death rate in Europe. 10x higher than its Scandinavian neighbours. Worse still, Sweden's unusual herd immunity strategy is particularly hard on the old and vulnerable. Even worse than that, doctors in Sweden have been advised to administer morphine for over-80s or over 60s with risk factors and not admit them to hospital. This effectively kills these people as morphine inhibits breathing. Sweden's government should actually be tried for crimes against humanity.
In Australia too. It's why more than anything they want schools to open so kids are not putting pressure on families by being at home. The tension is still there between kids in school mode and the exposure for teachers Poor little kids didn't ask for any of this to happen
@@tosca... Domestic violence is always exacerbated by financial difficulties, even without this illegal lockdown resulting from the planedemic hoax. The increase in domestic violence is applicable only to cases where there are financial problems that resulted from the lockdown. For families that have no financial difficulties this lockdown has provided them with quality time to spend together & improve their relationships.
Just a note, South Korea and Taiwan aren’t experiencing a second wave and they probably are the most exemplary countries to learn from on how to deal with this situation without going into a lockdown as neither of those two countries were in a lockdown.
Why are you talking about quarantining 70 year olds? If I'm 70 years old and afraid of the virus I can self quarantine if I choose to. Don't make it mandatory. We old folks want to enjoy what little time we have left. Let us live our lives!
The key: homogeneity of class, less overcrowding (single households), hospitals are not at capacity. Different infrastructure. We have urban “hotspots” of overcrowding. Overwhelmed testing and healthcare systems.
If you are talking about the US, where is our overwhelmed health care system? Most hospitals are total ghost towns, ironically needing to lay *off* health care workers because of ridiculously draconian lockdowns. The only system that got remotely close to overwhelmed is NYC’s, but only a small, and not surprisingly, highly publicized number. No one that needed an ICU bed or ventilator didn’t get one.
It's much too early to say if getting infected means you would be immune forever. We don't know if you can't be infected again or if immunity does actually last forever.
@@whiskeysprings I heard it from our Minister of Health and Doctors, even my own Dr. They just don't know, that's not being alarmist that's just a fact.
Thanks for that. For there is no clear evidence either way. Björn Olsen believes you will get 'some' immunity, but the discrepancies can be due to inaccurate testing and so forth. We just don't know. And herd immunity is a bit of a 'unicorn' - no one knows if it exists.
@@amycrunch3812 there have been reports that young people are developing blood clots and having heart attacks, strokes and other problems. Doctors have started to recognise how common the problem is in Covid 19 people who they thought had recovered. Autopsies have been finding this problem too. However not all people get autopsies so they didn't recognise it sooner. They thought it was just affecting the lungs and have now found it can be throughout the body. Not all people die but they do become quite disabled. To suggest people risk getting infected for herd immunity is a huge risk to take.
Immunity can be full immunity or it can mean when this virus mutates and comes back again the antibodies you get from this strain makes it less potent. No one is immune forever from flu/colds
I was about to write that. The numbers for Sweden as of 30-05-20 are dismal compared to all neighboring countries. Was the 4395 deaths (to this moment) worth going to restaurants. Self-isolation, social distancing is NOT difficult. It's been mildly inconvenient for me, but I'm one of the fortunate ones. Many have had their livelihood destroyed. I'd rather lose a business than a loved one.
@@originalsuki Are you a Swede? BBC Hard Talk did an interview w/ Tegnell and pushed him almost obnoxiously to get him to admit fault on Sweden's strategy. Tegnell referred to something like 70% approval of the lax shutdown policy amongst Swedes and basically said at this point we won't know whether their policy has proven better. He also acknowledged a concerning death rate that is largely attributed to the nursing homes, however. ua-cam.com/video/Biqq34aUJcQ/v-deo.html
@@originalsuki I have also heard that here in Sweden we count everyone that died with the virus as a covid-19 death. So for example somoene with the Covid-19 get's hit by a car and dies to internal bleeding is a Covid-19 death as most contries do not count that as a covid-19 death. it's difficult to compare stastistic between countries when every country counts things differently.
As an answer to you all. The only way to know the truth of the covid damage, is to look at the average historical mortality at the same historical months and compare. Sweden has no such differences for now (mars was slightly higher and april slightly lower). Which means Sweden is doing relatively good actually.
I am 64 years old with 2 underlying health issues. I made the decision to self isolate On March 10th. I think all people here in the United States should be allowed to make their own decisions as well. Give people the right to chose according to their individual health concerns. Sounds fair to me. I think Sweden has the right ideas on this. Thank you for the video.
If your choices only affected you, that would be an excellent argument. Since your choices affect anyone else you might come into contact with (and since once can spread the virus while being asymptomatic, you have 0 control unless you get regular testing - which one cannot), your supporting/core assumption would be null and void - and so is the argument. I do hope you stay healthy (physical and mental) during your isolation and take care.
kaladin she’s not saying it only affects the person she’s saying if you are ok with taking the risk go out and if you don’t want to take this risk stay inside like what she is doing...it’s really that simple
@@lukelabare6580 I understand. However those taking the risk are also increasing risks for others with whom they may come into contact (who might be out to conduct essential shopping only).
kaladin it seems to me there’s no 100% clear answer to this other than weighing the pros and cons of staying locked down or not depending on the area and how bad the numbers are, personally I side with if our areas leader says we should come out and restart things like opening up small businesses I’m all for it verses staying locked down
7:06 FYI, Taiwan never went into lockdown, and never had a community outbreak like the rest of the world. What they did was closed all borders with China and screen all international flights coming into the country, way before any other country did. Mandatory and voluntary home quarantine was also enforced quickly, as well as excellent contact tracing for all cases.
@@jonnyd13768 When the situation got worst around the world, and when some people were caught breaking quarantine. Then it became mandatory 14 day once you land in Taiwan, heck you even get paid to be in quarantine.
I 100% agree with all you have said .There is Drs out here in the US trying to tell everyone the same thing you just said , but people are so freaked out
Today 9 of June Sweeden has over 44 thousands cases confirmed and over 4 thousands deaths while Norway and Denmark not over 600 with about the same population... Well done
Hi there beautiful young couple. As a 65+ couple living in Solna / Stockholm we are appalled by the lack of consideration with the lives of the elderly in our population. It is not “sad” neither a coincidence that in Stockholm so many elderly have died in homes for the elderly. It is an outrage that could have been avoided if government had enforced stricter measures. Our daughter in law works as a nurse in such a facility. Until last week she and her colleagues were not allowed to use personal protection while tending the residents: there was / is simply not enough PPE available. Last week they had their first Covid-19 death. Many will follow. Most of the nursing staff in these centres come to work using public transport. Without any physical distancing possible. Ever been in STHLM during rush hours? Hardly anyone wears a mask. No alcohol gel is provided. Business as usual... The generation Swedish government is prepared to sacrifice to save the economy have left you young people with a superb health care system compared to most other countries, built on their tax money over decades. Nowadays it seems as if they are considered by many as being disposable. Please dear countrymen and -women, please ... start wearing a mask when using public transport or doing your shopping. Not for yourselves but to protect the elderly and more vulnerable people in our society. The little sneeze you keep behind your mask could otherwise be deadly for the grandmother standing in the same queue or for anyone with compromised immunity touching anything you have contaminated. The nurse in front of you might be on duty tonight. Thank you for your understanding and support. Stay safe and keep us safe also.
Very sad but let's be HONEST..if this virus mostly affected Children and Young Adults in their 20's and 30's there would be a TOTAL LOCKDOWN in Sweden just like most countries now in the World. But this is affecting Migrants in no-go zones and especially the Elderly...so thanks for the tax money, protect the economy at all cost and remember to do whatever the Public Health Agency says...sorry but party on. THAT is the message of the Government (Duty and Loyalty)...and really the message of this video. "There are now alarming reports, including in the Washington Post, that the virus has spread to one-third of nursing homes in the capital Stockholm, resulting in rising fatalities. There is also little indication that the Swedish economy has weathered the coronavirus economic storm any better than comparable countries. The drop in the Swedish stock market and the rise in unemployment are approximately in line with other advanced economies. According to their own estimates, Sweden’s economists predict that their GDP is expected to contract by 3.4% in 2020, certainly better than the 5.5% average decline projected for the eurozone (dragged down by Italy and Spain), but a lot worse than the 2.9% decline projected for the US economy." I think many people are seeing China and Sweden, very differently... then they did say a year ago.
Hej! Jag håller med. Jag anser att de förebbygande åtgärderna som den Svenska regeringen vidtog vad gällande den äldre populationen var alldeles för avslappnade. Men jag anser också att dem har rätt vad gällande hur vi hanterar situationen överlag. Det är ett svek att Regeringen inte bidrog med sannitering och uttrustning inom äldrevåren redan från första början. De som arbetar inom äldrevården borde ha fått stärkta restriktioner, och kanske virustester innan man klev in i en lokal där det finns sårbara indevider. Regeringen misslyckades med detta vilket har resulterat i stora konsekvenser för det svenska folket. Men faktum kvarstår att i din välldigt korrekta analys så nämner du farmorn som stod i kö. Denna farmor existerar i hela landet och borde egentligen stanna Hemma. Allmänheten borde inte behöva masker då de äldre och sårbara ska aggaera under en locksdown. Denna farmorn kan "ta hand om sig själv" till skillnad från de på äldrevådren, vilket gör att människor över 70 som ändå går ut i allmänheten sätter sig själva i faran. Jag Ber er att stanna Hemma så att resterande samhälle kan bibehåla ett bra välfärdsystem som i det långa loppet kommer att bidra till att den äldre generationen blir omhändertagen. Och jag vet att även äldre behöver handla provisorer. Men då gör man som i min familj, där vi värnar om våra farföräldrar och därför aggerar som deras leverans. Äldre i vår omgivning berättar vad dem behöver och vi köper detta åt dem. Vi erbjuder även våra grannar det samma. Så be någon att köpa hem och leverera era varor så att ni inte riskerar att bli smittade. För det är mycket bättre generellt om en liten del av populationen stannar hemma, än om alla gör det. Samma analys kan appliceras på de som arbetar inom äldrevådren. istället för att stänga ner gatorna för att de ska kunna göra sitt jobb, så måste dem förstå att man stannar hemma om man är sjuk. Det är deras löfte till dem äldre att kunna ta hand om dem. Så för mig är det helt offatbart att hör från våra myndigheter att arbetande inom äldrevådren åker till jobbet, trots vetskapen om att dem är sjuka. Allt kan verkligen inte skyllas på arbeterna, men vi måste alla ta vårt ansvar. majoritetten gör sitt yttersta bästa och lite till, men det räcker med en bristande länk och hela kedjan fallerar. Med det sakt så hoppas jag att läget förbättras inom kort, och att ALLA följer regeringens rekometationer, för det är inget fel på systemet. problemet ligger hoss oss människor. Ha det bäst, och be safe :)!
Yes it's a disgrace but the neglect has been so great that it cannot have been a coincidence. They must have been doing it on purpose. Elderly homes don't have oxygen to even treat the sick and they are not admitted to hospital. They are given morphine. Check out Dr. Whistleblower. Callous politicians may see this as a chance to lower future pension expenses. And the care homes are now closed for relatives so nobody will have a chance to see the maltreatment going on there
@@peterw8532 I'm totally down with the fact that the government could - and should - have done more to protect the elderly, but there are a few things that might need to be cleared up. 1. Nursing homes aren't all state run, meaning that it might not be possible to enforce the same rules in every facility without changing the laws. 2. Only Stockholm has been severely affected, meaning that the insinuated corruption is either local or locally contained. 3. Even in Stockholm, the number of deaths among the elderly would be of such a significant number that it would have any greater impact on the overall economy. 4. Helping to spread fringe theories that perpetuate distrust and reduce the likelihood of adherence to guidelines produced by government experts will help no-one. Things have been sloppily handled in some areas, and however bad that is, it's nothing new to behold. Confusion and a desire to stay within company budget is a more probable cause than any conspiracy theory.
Greetings from Australia. I am sitting on the fence in handling this virus. The anxiety around Covid -19 is quite toxic, people may die from a broken heart with no hugs and affection for months. Also lack of vitamin D & lack of being outside is now linked to higher risk of getting Covid-19.
And yet we've done well to flatten the curve with lock downs. This was achieved early, and we are the envy of the world. But yeah, life in Victoria has sucked until last night when the laws relaxed a bit.
@@clumpft Yeah great job Lockdown’ Suicide Rise to Kill More Australians than COVID-19. etc you all failed you caused way more harm and zero good with hysteria panic lockdown....
@@clumpft data in Australia says it's not going to kill anybody unless they already have a health problem or are old and weak. Those are the folks who ought to be in quarantine.
@@sumerbabylon7069 Absolutely. Also more domestic violence. I'm appalled at how stupid the Australian government is (also bought by Big Pharma) - and how easily people here are brainwashed by the fear-mongering fake news mainstream media.
I live in japan and it's mostly still open. Corona is almost gone from the country. But people are diligent about masks and spraying alcohol on hands etc.
Living in the U.S., I feel like the lockdowns have caused a lot of damage. Sweden had the right approach in dealing with the corona virus. That is really wonderful there is a good relationship between the Swedish government and its people (and vice versa). I wish it could be like that here in the U.S. (this country has become so divisive). I agree, that a lot of people are scared from watching the news and buying into everything the media says. I've been trying to live as “normally” as possible and not in fear. I know you have gotten a lot of comments on your video, but if you happen to see this, could you let me know how the situation in Sweden is today (December 2020)? Thank you so much for your video and sharing your thoughts and perspectives.
@@chb1724 They won't be going again. And if so, only between countries under mitigation. Swedes have a fixation on liberalism the rest of the world is not sharing.
@@oneukum That's interesting. What liberal ideas are there in sweden that the other european countries dont share? And how does the fixation manifest itself in sweden? Please elaborate.
There is one area where we failed in Sweden and that is in the protection of elderly. However, looking at the daily death statistics, we are not higher than previous years (except for a period of 9 days).
@@almavysniauskaite3032 the government didn't close down visitation rights soon enough. They should have stopped visits and invested in education for staff in how to deal with this situation. They have remedied most if the situation but many elderly has died. Many of them would've likely passed away anyways but the government could've done more.
Here's the thing tho, most doctors since the beginning have said what these two have said! Accompanied by facts. My issue is the people who aren't listening and who are not being reasonable.
so... still think the same now? Sweden now has the highest death rate percapita. That spike was a little delayed by the expected 5 weeks. (up to 2 weeks incubation, average of 3 weeks to recover or die). Sweden seems to be taking this virus as an opportunity to "thin out" their aging and morbid population..... which economically will be a benefit in the future... as long as you don't have too much long term effects from being infected with covid19. There are definitely signs that a percentage of people that have severe symptoms are recovering with permanent lung, kidney, pancreas and/or other damage.
I live in Norway, and you can't denie that you are not making this a matter of sacrifice- of the elder. Deaths are scyerocking and it is the old people dying. You are young. Do you think elder people look at this with the same positivity as you do?... Neehh
More Swedes die per day during an average flu season. Also the elephant in the room is what will happen when other countries realise that a permanent lockdown isn't sustainable.
Why is every country so happily to send their young people off to war, millions of deaths in world war one and two. This is another war. An economic war. People die in wars. If every life is so damned important why don't governments send themselves bankrupt trying to cure every disease????
You know that you cant just prevent people from dying unless a vaccine i developed. Shutting down the economy and temporarly stopping the spread will just postpone the problem. Lockdown is only necessary if the health care cant handle all the people they have too. Stockholm is close to herd immunity which the rest of Sweden also will be soon and when that happens Norway will still be sittning there on lockdown while the economy is taking a hit.
Treat your people like children and they will most likely behave childish. Treat your people like adults and they would act like adults. Simple like that. :)
I think you staying in Sweden is smart. I live in US and feel our country has corruption and not community. False media like you covered. Where I live in Florida we have not freedom to go to grocery and necessary businesses so not everything shut down. I think Sweden has been smart and not sold fear to people. Fear lowers the immune system. Corruption and fear go together. I hope US changes over time. All the best.
True but why are the working people taking it I am retired I am out and about where ever I can I grew up in the '50s with a lot of diseases and our parents taught Us to be fearless BUT CAUTIOUS
I live in Florida and i don't see anyone staying home. I have to go to work and people are out and about all day long. There is traffic everywhere. People are barbecuing, in the pools, walking, hanging out. I don't see any social distancing at all. Walmart is always full, bjs, publix, etc... i work in radiology and people are coming in for non essential exams. Our schedule is full. People here are acting like nothing is going on.
@@wj8054 could that be why casualties are so high in the US. ?Certain amount if caution is needed as with anything. Thats why the spanish flu spread. ?
This video hasn’t aged too well. As of 19 Jan 2021 Sweden is the only Nordic country in the top 25 countries organised by most deaths per 100k in Europe. Standing in at #12 (with 95 deaths per 100k) and Denmark at #26 (with 28 deaths per 100k) And Iceland, Norway, & Finland having the least deaths per 100k in Europe, at around 8, 9, & 11 (respectively) deaths per 100k. Sweden currently has 10 times more deaths than was necessary. More stats here: www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
7:04 South Korea and Taiwan? No, they didn't go into quarantine. No, second wave yet(Don't trust media you said). Total death so far are 240 as of April 25th in S. Korea population of 50 million. Total population of Sweden is 10 million and 2000 sad death. How do you think you are doing alright?
Zeke Glenn that’s not how it works. Population gets humanity with vaccines in a period of 1 to 2 years... so you think you would reach immunity without a vaccine earlier than that? At expenses of people dying for its economy? ...
If you multiple Sweden's 10mil population to the US population of 350mil Sweden would have 77000 deaths. Is the economy worth having about 50%more deaths?
@@hilda.laura.amaral Yes. Just like people die from the flu for the economy every year. Fascinating how flu deaths have declined so drastically this past flu season, eh? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Korea never went into full lockdown either, just one city. They just reacted quickly: the people, the authorities and even companies, they all took it seriously early on. I live in Seoul, which had direct flights with Wuhan and things are getting back to normal, we had less than 15 new cases today. Meanwhile, my homeland Spain is 1 month under severe lockdown because they not only failed to do social distancing early on, but the Government was actually encouraging the people to join mass demonstrations in March 8th.People in Spain were making jokes and repeating it's the flu until it was too late and they had no other choice than locking down everybody. 21,000 deaths in Spain vs 200 deaths in Korea. That's the difference it makes a quick reaction.
The Korean government and the scientists there are wise enough to be trusted. I cannot say the same about Sweden. It has the worse government I have ever heard about and the number of death in Sweden is extremely high compared to Germany or South Korea.
matthew sikora. Thank God that the our government is manipulating the media! There is only one true opinion and that is the word of our prime minister Steffe!
@@dux2508 Ha ha ha...I guess you have a very good sense of humor....I believe that is one way to look at it. I would, however tell Steffe to find another job and find a better suitable man to deal with the Coronavirus crisis. He is definitely not seeing the seriousness of the death toll.
I appreciate the video, and perspective. I believe Sweden has taken the correct approach as they do with many issues. However the US political system is used as a tool to make money through government bailouts for the banks, politicians and all the big corporate conglomerates. As the saying goes in Washington “never waste a crisis.” Fortunes are being made for the few while financial ruin is happening to the many.
Sweden's neighboring countries: *Finland* has had *325* deaths from the virus to date. *Norway* has *242* virus deaths to date. *Sweden* has *4,875* deaths as of today. That approach is *not a success* if you measure it in peoples lives. Where in Europe do people traveling go if they are forced to quarantine for a couple weeks before interacting with others because of this pesky virus? Sweden of course! You don’t have to take any of those annoying measures to prevent the spread of virus there and only four or five thousand more people died there because of that. Not a big deal in Sweden apparently.
Swedish death rates are high because of the "right wing" politics with the former governement. They privatized a big part of the elderly care and when profit is more important than care you deconstruct the organisation of the care system... for exampl 1 (one) nurse for every 50 patients. That is what happened in Sweden, that is why 80% of people dying are the old ones living in elderly homes. The measures the current governement has taken are the right ones for Sweden....and there are still people who fight for their right to visit grandma in the elderly care..... STockholm whos is politically run by the right wing has most of the elderly care outsourced to private companies, and also the highest death rates. Ooohh I could go on about how the former Swedish society has been deorganized and how this is affecting us. I like your approach and I like your video - common sense has to rule and I have to take personal responsability for not spreading the virus.
I think Swedens approach is right...for Sweden. It´s a relatively big country with only 10 million people. No doubt there are areas of America in the mid thats similar where similar measures would be appropriate. But in a city like New York with a population almost the same as the entire country of Sweden, well obviously it make sense to have different measures in such a densely populated area.
Every country will do this eventually. They just started earlier and didn't ruin their economy. They won't have much of a second wave. I mostly agree with you guys.
@@marialacona well I have to say that many Swedes on the websites sound pretty entitled, selfish and ignorant. The decision not to lock the country down and protect the vulnerable people in your country speaks to me of those attitudes. The dancing in nightclubs, ignoring social distancing, going to work in resthome's while infected, and singling out the people who are most at risk from the virus and expecting them to stop living freely while the healthy party and go to work, sounds pretty damned selfish to me. I am not American. The politic's is outrageous there. I think there is a lot of politic's in Sweden too. So I barely think you are in a position to judge other countries. Oh wait - you do have your economy and money still. It would pay to stay humble though because you scarified peoples lives for it. While other countries were too late in locking down their countries, so the virus spread, at least they realised there mistake when people started dying in large numbers and changed what they were doing. It just wasn't worth killing people over the economy.
@@lulunz6809 It was point out in the video that clubs are actually closed. People who claim that are open minded and not selfish are simply people who doesn't know them self . I want to survive therefore I am selfish . Herd immunity is a logical measure which make sense to people who aren't sheep. Your so called correctly taken lock down will kill actually more people than the virus. Neglected old people with chronic deceases . People with no income will end their lives . Delayed diagnoses . Low immunity for the luck of sun and avoiding walks. Herd immunity will help the virus to die away and meanwhile would be easier for the anyway corrupted medical system to look after the old people who are at risk . You the so called responsible and mature person and unfortunately the majority of people around the world actually don't give a f..k for the destroyed lives of people including mine.
@@dragomirpetrov6469 there is income support here and in Sweden for people who do lose their jobs. Neglected elderly will die whether there is a lockdown or not because that is about how well the country cares for their elderly at any time. If it the normal to care for your elderly in your country then it should happen even more if it is known that more will be isolated due to the virus. Right now in Sweden how will you know who is isolating and who isn't? Herd immunity is a fallacy. Nobody knows how long immunity will last. Even the Flu vaccine weakens after six months and how long has that been around for? The medical system in Sweden isn't caring for the elderly in hospital now are they? There is nothing wrong with wanting to survive at all. There is a difference between self preservation and protecting yourself at others expense. When people protect themselves then the ongoing affect is that it will protect others when it comes to infectious illnesses. You news reported that they have had to send in the police to nightclubs and restaurants that weren't following the guidelines this week. Also the information I have is not from the media alone. I know people living there who said nothing much had changed where they live.
We'll get data from a cold country from Sweden, from a tropical country from Brazil, and from a country with multiple seasons from the US. We'll definitely have a lot of poor guinea pigs to examine... So good of their governments to volunteer them.
In New Zealand we had 100 days covid 19 free, opened borders to citizens only and today have 4 new cases, our Prime Minister is tracing the source and everyone in contact will isolate 14 days, so here the lockdown worked perfectly , only the opening of borders that messed it up, but i believe we have to go through with the virus to get antibodies., we really have a wonderful Prime Minister.
In Coasta Rica- it’s extreme. Closed borders, driving restrictions, closed businesses, prohibited to go to the beach or swim or surf. Even in areas that are completely virus free. I completely agree with you, people will react in a frenzy to socialize after being shut away. Take precautions- let the healthy be on about there business. The poor here are suffering greatly from this.
adventuringgoddess thanks for posting. that’s sad to hear. We are looking to move there in a few years from SC. An Instagram post from Costa Rica said the police were helping the poor.
The Holistic Chick I’m not sure what is propoganda and what’s real there is a lot of false news that emphasizes what the giver wants people to think. The government has been distributing food to houses with kids in public school here. And a lot of grocery stores have a table where private citizens can buy and leave food for donation for those in need. I don’t know what devision of police where implicated in helping people or where in Coasta Rica. I only know of what’s going on in my area. And what I’ve seen is police fining people heavily for being at the beach, impounding vehicles or big fines for driving on days your not allowed or after curfew. In general the division of regular patrol police has been helpful. And the devision of traffic police has not. It’s complicated. Don’t let this detour you from moving here. But the socialistic and napolitanistic law system here is very complicated. It’s good to do a lot of research into the laws, and police system here, to make sure your prepared. :) hope this is helpful
The Holistic Chick I’m not sure what is propoganda and what’s real there is a lot of false news that emphasizes what the giver wants people to think. The government has been distributing food to houses with kids in public school here. And a lot of grocery stores have a table where private citizens can buy and leave food for donation for those in need. I don’t know what devision of police where implicated in helping people or where in Coasta Rica. I only know of what’s going on in my area. And what I’ve seen is police fining people heavily for being at the beach, impounding vehicles or big fines for driving on days your not allowed or after curfew. In general the division of regular patrol police has been helpful. And the devision of traffic police has not. It’s complicated. Don’t let this detour you from moving here. But the socialistic and napolitanistic law system here is very complicated. It’s good to do a lot of research into the laws, and police system here, to make sure your prepared. :) hope this is helpful
A lot of Central and South American countries are using COVID to show off power and abuse. I live in the USA now but I am from Cuba. Cuba is for sure exercising more control and fear towards their citizens.
adventuringgoddess thank you! That is helpful. We will be visiting in a few months and will be looking at Alegria Village in San Mateo. Costa Rica definitely markets itself differently than what you have told me. Thank you again 🙏🏻
If there is any government in the world with no corruption, it’s Sweden’s. Any person can at any time read every single decision ever made by the government, by simply entering their website.
@@yesyouarecorrectbutthe ones who should be putting up evidence is the once suggesting things. So show us the prof of corruption regarding your case. Im waiting....
Our healthcare system is at capacity, and we vaccinated the most people in europe (hungary) and have lockdown, Probably lockdowns had negligible effect.
@@jacintfodor1296 That is a very poor analysis of the effects of lockdowns lol. If you look at data trends, lockdowns absolutely have a massive effect. Whether they prevent a healthcare system from getting to capacity or not at any place in the world depends on many factors, from when the lockdowns started, how strict they were, how long they lasted, the surrounding culture of the area, the strength of the healthcare system in that area, etc. etc.
@@GrayOlson u can cherry pick countries who did better or worse than sweden, I meant that with probably negligible effect. If sweden did exponentially worse compared to countries with lockdowns. then I would say lockdowns was 100% effective. the order of magnitude is around the same in sweden compared to other countries. Flattening the curve by lockdowns, implicates that casualty should be exponentially lower. Not to mention (in my country cannot say for others) early store closes, cramped people in stores very close together. that methodology probably catalyzed covid spreading, instead of preventing. now that our government started extending the curfew, there are far less people in stores at the same time. TLDR, 1 hungary and italy did worse than sweden, 2 while denmark did better. possible explanation for the 1st, is both italy and hungary underfunded their healthcare system.
Fantastic. We are still in full lockdown in South Africa, and it seems its more a power trip than anything else. Some of the regulations are just a joke.
I live in Sweden but have 2 daughters - in London and Johannesburg South Africa - so it's interesting to see different containment policies. I would absolutely love Sweden's policy to work for the very reason that we will hopefully escape the worst of the inevitable economic fallout, which (don't fool yourselves) IS coming. We are a global community. Sweden does not stand alone. In Sweden most of the reason we can operate a self-enforcement social distancing policy is because: 1) Swedish people are generally respectful and considerate of others (unlike in South Africa for example) 2) Some 50% of Swedes live alone, so self-isolation is a permanent state for many and involves few changes for a 'critical mass portion' of the population. 3) the elderly who most need help were already being supported on a spectrum of living situations and services (hem tjänst - home services, etc), so they are able to easily stay out of harms way. The infrastructure for that is 'normal practice'. 4) Sweden's healthcare system is phenomenal and people for the most part just have to call their local clinic & they will get help - often at home in the instance of 'boendestödgrupp'. This all helps to keep the most frail out of harm's way. However, Herd Immunity (whilst I hope it works in Sweden) would be tantamount to genocide or at best a human rights abuse in places such as Africa, any poor communities who have uneducated, undernourished or medically/immune challenged individuals with HIV AIDS, TB, Hepatitis, poor access to fresh water, high density living conditions, high density transport situations in 1st World big cities, etc. My 28 year old, fit daughter got COVID-19 in London - probably commuting on the underground past Canary Wharf which had 1 reported case at the time. She was so ill with the fever that within 3 hours she couldn't have moved to speak let alone call an ambulance. She shot off a WhatsApp to me saying "Mom, I'm scared". I work 24 Hr shifts so only got back to her after that. Now, she is a strapping, strong Viking of a young woman, but at 28 she could very nearly have died within 3 hours of the fever hitting. The fever came and went for 3 weeks. The tiredness from liver damage would knock her out for 6 hours a day. She continued to work at night and held onto her job from sheer force of will. She is better now and running short distances again, but... DO NOT BE FOOLED YOUNG PEOPLE... This is a killer virus. It CAN kill you. You won't necessarily be immune afterwards. Protect the people in the public.... just because you don't feel sick does not mean you aren't infecting other people in shops, on buses, in restaurants, pubs, just walking down the street FOR UP TO 3 DAYS AFTER you just so happened to touch something or cough. ALL THE EVIDENCE shows: - 2m social distancing isn't enough - it hangs around in the air far longer than we think - it is more virulent than we'd like to believe - the after effects are severe and can take months to recover from or leave you PERMANENTLY with weak heart, lungs, liver, etc. Swedes are putting themselves and their whole communities at risk. Just because you have 6 months of winter & it's nice outside is a selfish narcissistic way of thinking just to get together, have a grill, go to a pub, etc. How did you spend Påsk? (Easter) I know many people who had a grill with family and friends and then went on to work in vård & omsorg (health and welfare) the next week. Then we wonder why 2-3 weeks after we get a spike in cases of COVID-19.… NOT COOL, Swedes..... Look after each other, strangers you will never meet included. Thanks
The lockdown is only delaying the inevitable most people will get this, this is the new era of seasonal flus. The key is to have a solid immune system which no one is talking about, ha imagine that. #quitsmoking
Brigita Larsen Thank you so much. She is back to her old self, almost, 6 weeks after she contracted it. I think she was very lucky - but she was very fit and healthy
It's not. We have stupid rules that try to control the daily business and people hate to go anywhere else than outside generally, because of insane regulations: masks in supermarket, also when leaving or entering restaurants, but not while sitting there. ome swimming place doesnt allow you to the water, the other does, but doesnt allow you to the beach and meadow around it. there's tons of examples and it's just awful, also for school kids.
Same in New Zealand. Bars opened yesterday and taking the kids to the movies today. 2 months lock down eliminated the virus and now life back to normal except 14 day quarantine for all people entering the country. 21 dead out of 5m population.
Obviously their government is better than most, equally obvious that all people are subject to corruption and it takes a vigilant populace to maintain integrity in governments. Having said that if your feeling that everything is corrupt do research on Bhutan where the government is actually remarkably sane.Human goodness is possible.
Actually Sweden is only one of the few countries in the World that pratices a Direct Democracy. Everyone else in the world is soley bent on a Representative Democracy. This is why there is never ending corruption in the US, China, Russia (although not as bad), North Korea, Crimea, etc
Plus the fact that the actual gun owners in Sweden are trained in gun use before permitts and licensure are issued and are given a mental health check evaluation before permits and certificates are actually issued out. In the US everyone is given a gun and given little to no training.
Huge difference, Sweden has free healthcare and their younger populations is much healthier than the US. Here in the states, health care is expensive and there are so many young people suffer from High Blood Pressure, Diabetes, Obesity, Asthma, are immune compromised by envirinmental pollution, etc. So you can't compare apples and oranges. Maybe of us had free healthcare and its citizens were in better health it would be a different story.
Another comment from someone who doesnt understand that USA HEALTH CARE WAS the best and doctors came from all around the world to train. No PERSON could ever be refused treatment, it was freely available until REAGAN and his TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMIC PLAN and then OBAMA AND CORPORATE GREED GOT INVOLVED. When we were a REPUBLIC, EVERYONE WANTED TO BE AMERICAN. Then COMMUNISTS infiltrated the Left entirely, murdered JFK, and have darn near a foothold in the right. And people like you cheer on Socialism when a REPUBLIC IS THE ONLY FORM OF GOVERNANCE that allows a free people and truly cares about the welfare of people. We need to restore the Republic! A SOCIALIST FREE HEALTHCARE offers sub par care! No GREAT DOCTOR wants to work for pennies after going to school for 16 yrs that his family PAID $500K FOR!
@@Shyeena It's always amusing to see that the people that does not know what they're talking about and don't even understand that they don't know what they're talking about always is the ones who gets all upset claiming other people doesn't know what they're talking about and that they most certainly do! In Sweden we value education and it's every citizens right to be able to get a good education. We do not believe that schools should profit from the education they provide. In Sweden, to provide the education for one person, to study and become a doctor costs 129k us dollars. If you would like to have a educated discussion about all that you wrote about based on facts, and not tweets from Trump, you are welcome to Sweden where you can afford a education for your self! Power is not knowledge! "Knowledge is power!" Have a nice day Shieena!
@@Shyeena Wow! In 1981 I was in the US for 3 months. Talking to post grads and post docs I found out that they all had health care in their grants. When asked about the poor, unemployed or indigent getting medical treatment there were blank looks. No one knew who treated sick people from these groups. I would hope things have changed since then. In my limited experience medical persons in the US are the same as all over the world - good ones and not so good ones.
Hearing from alot of the people working in health care I wouldn't say we should just take it easy and get infected. The availability of PPE is dangerously low, they're building extra temporary ICUs cause we were already having trouble taking care of people who needed it before Corona came along, fast training more health care personnel cause the one we have were already struggling long before cause there's not enough people in the health care system. Not long ago they announced that some people won't get intensive care cause we can't give it to everyone who needs it, not enough resources. For example those expected to live less than 6-12 months if they get well will most likely not get intensive care. Which is no surprise since our health care system has been struggling for years. Which is the reason I isolate as much as possible now. To not burden the health care system even more. And what happens if most of the health care personnel gets sick? Even if they're fine they have to be home for 2 weeks. It's alot if these things that I feel that most people in Sweden doesn't take seriously. Maybe they haven't needed to seek medical attention so they don't know how bad the system is. Or they think it's going to be fine cause they probably won't get badly ill. Why I think a stricter isolation should be in place for 1-2 months is to give scientists a chance to know more. A chance to develop and ship faster testing kits. And to get a chance to stock up on PPE and not kill our already overworked health care angles even more. Give the people in fast training a chance to enter the health care system. Before lifting the isolation one small step at a time. Isolation and avoiding the spread of it is (besides the obvious to not risk killing anyone) more out of respect for the people working in health care. To not create even more work for them and adding to their already insane work schedule. And this chill attitude most Swedes have I think will put alot of people at unnecessary risk. That could have been prevented. And it will make people like me fighting health issues since before not being able to get much help cause there's not enough people working in health care to take care of us all at the same time. But like you say, we won't know what the right thing to do was until maybe next year. I just think it's better to be extra careful instead of taking risks in a time like this. I'd rather look back and say "Oh I was overly cautious" than feel "I didn't take that seriously enough and people died because of it". That's my logic in all this.
Omg, it would cripple us here if we did this in Canada. We need to do something to start our economy again, but we can't just treat it like Sweden is. Our people are too much like Americans.
@@JBond-zf4dj I think how my logic works is never mind the money, care about people instead. And we can deal with the money and economy later. I understand that the economy is really complicated and I'm really simplyfying it. But at the end of the day also worrying about the economy becomes money or people. Atleast in my head. And I've never understood the concept and importance of money. And I've always wanted it gone so I'm probably as partial as the people wanting to keep money in the world. I just think people's wellness is more important.
I agree with all your points. I’m in California and we’re on a moderate lockdown, where what is considered “essential services,” and allowed to function, is interpreted pretty liberally. Our hospitals are under capacity and we seem to have everything we need to handle more cases of the virus, except tests, which is very frustrating.
I fully agree with you. I am not a Health professional, but I've studied the basics of Medicine and I find it strange "to say the least" that people are blindingly doing as if they can simply ignore the high risks and implications of the Swedish minister's approach.
In USA it's always "How can we make money on this?" Even for this pandemic (PPE, ventilators, empty and little-used field hospitals, etc.). This has been an exercise in totalitarian control and is doing long-term socio-economic harm.-a New Yorker
How do you justify that as of early July Sweden has 9 times the number of deaths as Denmark and 22 times compared to Norway? Traveling to Sweden is considered dangerous by other European countries and traveling from Sweden is severely restricted. Any thoughts on how that will impact your economy?
When my wife and I speak to people, it seems like the majority thinks this has been blown way out of Proportion. We go on with our lives while others we know live in complete fear 24/7
I'm in the States and in my city of 2.5 million there are just 30 cases in the hospital, in other words very low ratio. You hear almost nothing about other causes of death because Medicare is paying the hospitals a lot of money if someone is diagnosed as being treated for coronovirus, and a huge amount if ventilated. So, who knows what the true numbers are. The the majority of a healthy population are being quarantined, and that is insane.
@@salan3507 They are incentivizing reporting a death as covid, which is wide open for corruption, esp. if it's an underfunded hospital. What's worse yet, is that they give more money if they ventilate a supposed covid patient. This greatly increases the cause of death, as some brave doctors have tried to warn that the few severe cases of covid where the patient does experience severe respiratory distress are almost ensured to die if put on a ventilator. If they are at that critical point, their lungs are too delicate to take the pressure a ventilator puts the patient's lungs under, and therefore the death rate is much higher.
@@summer20105707 the whole world is in lockdown that is why the figures are low. Sweden is low because other countries are in lockdown around u. Open it up again and figures will go sky high. How do people not get this.
All I hear from my sister is moan moan and whinge about having her kids at home all day and home schooling them. She won’t go out or let them go outside for a walk an hours walk because she’s so paranoid about it and she’s one of the very lucky ones who doesn’t have to work and her husband earns enough and is a key worker so they are losing an income.
Not so sure THAT is completely true. The MORE people that are treated during the first few months, will lesson the size of the spike later on. You're probably right that when the US "goes back to work" the number of cases MAY rise again. BUT the previous "batch" that have already been treated will not help pump up the numbers for the new one.
I quote my ICU physician friend in Gothenburg: The health care system here in Sweden is totally overburdened now. The doctors and nurses are protesting, working overtime week after week, tired, desperate. 3,5 times more deaths here per capita than in Germany.
@@LancsLass623 indeed. I was aware of the time sensitive nature of your recording. Still, i'm glad you recorded. Many folks think Sweden is doing nothing. Not true. I think even your Health Minister regretted not addressing your senior nursing homes sooner. It'll be interesting to see where all the numbers fall, say in a year. Best wishes.
I'm Swedish and I think they are doing the right thing in refusing swedes to come. I understand and support it in fact. This is the result, this is what happens. And it's a little bit of karma too and I like karma 😏
@@jj2220 I agree that it is the right thing, but not because it's Karma. It's common sense, per herd immunity, many Swedes are now carriers; in particular, those that were asymptomatic and don't even know they had the virus. They would just spread the disease at this point, scientifically speaking. America should have just quarantined those at high risk, with high suggestions to those with compromised immune systems and preexisting pulmonary conditions and then let Cv run it's natural course. We would have faired much better imho.
@@bigdoggstatus99 It is actually stupid. Swedish people are now mostly immune to it, they had the wave, and they dealt with it, and they saved a lot of jobs (and people) with that action. This, while many other countries are actively keeping themselves weak for it and try to boost death-rates any way possible to prove their right. Of course EU countries block Sweden, they only benefit from spreading fear, it's called divide and conquer. Media is giantly benefiting from it, say they make it as bad as possible.
@@Helyzz82 So you haven't been watching the news that tell the Swedes hsve no large scale immunity whatsoever and that the Swedish economy was hit about as badly as everyone else. Another Swedish state propaganda victim it seems. Keep inside your borders, and don't go outside igniting a European second wave with your first wave.
@@FINNSTIGAT0R it sounds weird that our economy was as negatively affected as all other countries, idk you may be correct but it just sounds incorrect to me... I mean sure we have absolutely been negatively affected 100% but not as much as others... Or maybe i'm wrong and that's okay.
Yes. Does the truth have legs though? I often wonder that after all the lies and waiting for the truth to come out about other things. I'm starting to think even though it SHOULD have the tendency to boil to the surface, it's not, or even if it does, nobody cares.
Absolutely. Search Angry foreigner's channel, he has swedish whistleblower doctors showing how the government guideline is to give morphine to elderly and let them die, and deny them even the most basic oxygen supply. Sweden would make Hitler proud.
The context matters. What is ok in Sweden may not be good in other countries. I know Sweden, Spain and Italy well. Different cultures and life standard. I was only saying that the situation in the country matters regarding what way is save. Sweden is not comparable in any way to Italy or Spain regarding health care capacity. In Sweden half of the population lives alone. In Italy it is norm that many people at all ages live together. Sweden culture is natural behavior to maintain "social distance" it is part of the culture. The excellent health care system has the capacity and has been able to cope with the number of people getting infected with the way they are doing things. In Italy the health care system was completely overwhelmed and doctors had to choose between patients even decide to take 60 year old of ventilator to save 40 year old because they did not have resources to treat all the patients that got sick at the same time. I live in Iceland, there is no lock down and the health care system has not been overwhelmed. If people take the method out of context they are not seeing the whole picture. In Iceland we have eradicated Covid by testing more than 10% of the population both via sick and randomly. Everybody positive or sick even the ones that stay home without test are contact traced by a massive tracing team . Everybody in the least danger of having gotten the virus goes in to isolation + the ones that self isolate. Large part of Icelanders have downloaded a tracing app to make it easy to contact trace in the future. It works. Nothing mandatory , only common sense and will to protect the population at risk
Dins D Stockholmers are meeting up with friends, not their families. It doesn’t matter if you meet 4 or 6 or 8 or 12 people, if there is 1 person with the virus. Many Swedes are hugginh their friends and coworkers and casual acquaintances more often than their parents. Perhaps they don’t give the virus to the older members of their families, but IT’S SPREADING.
You neglected to include that Italy and other countries have mandatory vaccinations. That is what all those poor doctors died from. We are screwing with our immune systems, eat garbage, unhealthy biomes, etc. Perfect recipe. Then the higher=ups find a good excuse to take over: Stay home. Worst strategy ever.
We are told otherwise in our media, I would love to have some real sources. I think they'll use the "second spike story" to prolong even longer the quarentine. What channel should I follow, that u think it's trustworthy to know what's happening in Taiwan? Glad to hear you're doing ok!
@@ozdevilman2000 not at all, he's asking for info about a reliable source of info, because his media says otherwise re: taiwan, which I understand is the best in the world so far.
@@nicolascristi6303 China in Focus NTD seems to be realiable although they have a bias against the CCP, but I think it's healthy in this case. I have not found a single reliable source for news and have been trying to view multiple sources and make up my own mind what is really going on. It's almost a way of life these days. We are overdue for a REAL news source that has no bias, and just gives us the facts.
I'm a swedish living in Norway, and what you are talking about should be leaved to the experts. What way each country choose it is up to them. We've had a lockdown which worked out great in my point of view. How this will end should not be speculated on youtube..
@ Sorry, but this is completely incorrect. They are taking the full force of the Chinese Communist Party Virus head on. The fact they don't have the highest death rate speaks volumes and shows you they are doing things the right way. They trust the people to be smart. Within weeks, the deaths will decrease dramatically (which they currently are) as they will have crossed the herd immunity threshold and will not incur any second wave. It's actually brilliant and what many people thought months ago. But most countries have power hungry career politicians that only care about being re-elected.
@@reactor4 we will only know if Sweden decided to do it the right way once the second wave hits. If we think critically about it, the deaths that hit Sweden now, could be the ones that hit Finland and Norway later. Flattening the curve doesnt reduce deaths UNLESS it prevents hospitals from being overrun (or we wait a year or so for a POTENTIAL vaccine). Sweden won't have the problem of a second wave, theoretically. We do have to wait and see though.
@Allison Marie more than half of these deaths were in nursing homes. What we learn from this, is that we need to enforce better policies for controlling the spread in our nursing homes. The data in the US also suggests this.
I live on Guam as USA territory and I also clean everything i buy from the grocery store. I don't wear my shoes in the house so it can disinfect outside the house and I change the clothes I wore put them on a towel then take them and immediately put them in the washer and dryer. Then I take a hot shower. Because I live with 3 senior citizens all past the age of 60. If I wasn't living with these people I'd be outside on the trails and parks enjoying my free time.
cleaning yr bread and meat and tomato sauce and going to eat out at fast food or other restaurant? what happens if any of the people who touched yr bread with gloves and virus on it or sneezed or coughed over yr food before they wrapped it in the plastic foil. yr eating what's inside, not the wrapping I hope
Because you have common sense! ❤️ Did they even read with the symptoms of this virus are? It’s not like you get the sniffles and that’s it. Even if you do survive, it’s horrible!
Was for several days. The numbers was a bit to low the last days, now they are more correct. But very good for Norway. But I think the Swedish way of doing it actually is the only way in the long run - if not a vaccine appears in a month or so.
55555 no Sweden doesn’t have only 15k infected. For many weeks they only tested the people that had such severe symptoms that they had to receive medical care. Now when they have more supplies they have increased testing. However, 11 out of 100 people in Stockholm have tested positive for antibodies. (Think they tested last week but not sure). Weeks ago, Folkhälsomyndigheten said that we could expect that over 100 000 people were already infected. And that it is not impossible that the number were closer to 1 million
@55555 You have to check how every country counts before just trusting the numbers. I think New York Times made a survey on reported deaths an average year compared to this year. Most countries had way much higher deaths this year, Sweden is just a little over an average year... (Marsh was even below an average year. April will not be, but not extremely much higher as in many other countries.)
what you need to keep in mind is that Sweden does not test a lot of people. Only those working in healthcare and people within the risk groups. It is expected to be over 600k in just Stockholm. Although the deaths is pretty high, almost 200 dead per 1 million inhabitants
Whenever I see a person alone outside with a mask on I actually laugh. They have bought the messge of panic to the point that they are protecting themselves from themselves I guess?!?
Elsa Chiao I get that and wear a mask myself but all the same if you are alone outside you most definitely do not need a mask. I will repeat myself who are you afraid of? Yourself? Long story short common sense is far from common.
I like Mark Twain's quote, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Sweden's death rate is a more honest reflection of the virus death toll. Statistics play the odds, like scientific formula's. It doesn't actually tell us anything useful about the virus. I envy Sweden's approach. It's honest with the handling of the virus, in all it's confronting unpleasantness. While other countries (including my own) pretend they can control it through a mythical vaccine, at some point in the future. They've never successfully developed a vaccine for coronavirus. SARS, 17 years ago - still nadda vaccine. Yet part of the same virus family.
Ummm, it is not about controlling anything except preventing the healthcare system from being overwhelmed so people who need care will get access to it. 70% of the population will get the virus - the question is how fast will that happen? Over 2-3 years with careful measures, or over a few months without is the projection. Some countries - like yours, apparently - chose the former, while some others are banking on the latter not killing too many. Time (and knowing eventual death tolls) will only tell if the latter is a crime against humanity or an intelligent thing such as 'honest handling of a virus'.
@@hulas1988 In Australia, medical officials were advising lock-down measures as permanent (in some form) until a vaccine was developed. So it's very much part of Australia's plan in controlling the spread. Also check your source of information, for projections about overwhelming the health care system. The estimates being used, came from a college paper which was not peer reviewed. Nor did the papers estimates, take into consideration, the hospitals ability to triple capacity to care for patients. Add in the 80% false positives for initial testing, and there is absolutely no verifiable evidence, to base decisions from. Sweden has the most lenient lock-down measures in place, and their hospital services are not being over-run. That's what I mean about an honest reflection, of the virus influence over death rates. It's not being overshadowed by inflated numbers. The hospitals aren't collapsing, nor are the death rates doing any worse than a bad influenza year. They are now starting to flatten the curve, while several of their European neighbours are overtaking them, on deaths per capita. I agree, no policy can be deemed successful until the virus has run it's course, and final tallies done. But at this point, Sweden isn't following the unsubstantiated estimates, the rest of the world said would bring everything undone.
@@Christodophilus I am writing from the USA where the hospital system is overwhelmed in major city hubs. I have not only seen studies but also multiple sources of documentary evidence. As you invited me, I also invite you to check evidence. However, while it is true that Sweden's curve is nominally flattening, there is a lack of official data as there is a lack of testing, as well. Additionally, Sweden has a homogenous country with high overall prosperity, meaning most have access to good care. This would not hold for the USA or the aborigines of Australia, who suffer from structural violence and who would be disproportionately affected vis-a-vis access to good healthcare. Swedish model is less replicable than New Zealand or Taiwan models (yes, I know both are islands) - and was replicated in Colombia where both spread and deaths were kept to a minimum. Unlike Sweden, which sacrificed a ridiculous amount of people per capita to get to flatten the curve. I'm thinking better models should be followed instead - as evidence suggests.
@@hulas1988 Which hospitals have been "overwhelmed"? The only overwhelmed hospitals ever shown on news reports were Italian hospitals standing in for New York hospitals which weren't dramatic enough for the media.
@Floor van Donkelaar I totally agree, wish the best to Sweden and Netherlands of course but I think this approach needs to be measured in the long run and it cannot be applied everywhere. Greetings from Costa Rica.
In Germany elderly people and people with some chronic diseases can feel relatively safe. That's not the case in Sweden where lots of people at risk are dying every day. Comparing numbers, if Sweden had 82 millions inhabitants like Germany, they would have already 23 thousands deaths due to Covid-19. I do not see how the Swedish way is more sensible than the German one.
I would be interested to know how Germany's policy differs from Sweden's and why you don't approve of it. Simply judging by the number of deaths Germany has been much more successful than Sweden, let alone most other European countries. I haven't heard much news about Germany's response, your perspective would be interesting. Preventing death above all else seems to me to be the benchmark against which any public health response should be measured and in that respect by European standards at least Germany seems to be succeeding.
@@capacitacionyconsultoriaes6319 You should add Thailand to your first list. Population 70 million, only 56 deaths. Also Hong Kong: population 7.5 million, 4 deaths. Countries in Europe and the US should be sending their officials to southeast Asia and asking how they did it.
Thank you guys for making this video. In case people attack you for "not caring about elderly people" let me tell you that my own grandfather died 10 years ago because he caught a virus. We loved him and we miss him and wish he didn't catch a virus but he did. He's immune system couldn't handle it because he was old. This is life, viruses are part of this world and we can't lock down our lives because of it.
The difference between a country with competent informed leaders with strong social bonds, and a country whose entire, entire political class is corrupt, criminal and utterly incompetent.
There is a visible phenomenon across Europe: governments don´t like their own nations. They don´t trust them and work intensively on the population exchange. Evidence? The governments hypocrisy about referendums. What if it was showed up that people wanted absolutely opposite things than their governments? :-)
I live in New Zealand a country of 5 million, today we had 1 new case that was traceable. There have been 1489 cases of which 1332 have recovered, 21 deaths in total and currently 2 people in hospital . We have a great Prime Minister who said go hard and go early so we went into lockdown early for a month and closed the borders . We are slowly getting back to normal now. I feel lucky to live here.
Good for you guys! But you do realize that you need to keep your borders closed or quarantine everyone entering the country for the duration of this pandemic (or maybe even forever), right? It might last two years or more. When all other people of all other countries are immune, then first will you be safe to stop your isolation.
It's quite similar here in Australia, but on a bigger scale. We only got to level 3 lockdown, not level 4 like NZ, but it's gone on for 6 weeks so far, with restrictions easing in stages now. Your PM is amazing and a lot of people here want her as our PM! 😆 Both of our countries have done well (though Aus was slower to act), and right now in my state, there are only 18 active cases. All the rest have recovered. There haven't been many deaths compared to some other countries, though even one death is one too many. ❤
@@annalundquist7247 quarantine and testing is required now and I think only NZ citizens are the people let in at the moment, but not 100% sure on that detail
If the other countries get back to work again the numbers will go up until there is a vaccine. If everyone wears a mask transmissions will drop dramatically, almost like herd immunity, but it will be superficial. Either there is a vaccine, or people wear masks until there is one or just stay locked up - if none of that happens people will get sick. Just like in past pandemics.
Mark Moennich in Denmark we are gradually opening up our country an so far we haven’t had an uptake in the spread of the virus quite the opposite. The government and the national Health Department are montering it closely. We have widespread testing and are now also starting to roll out a program where you test healthy people for antibodies.
Living In Saskatchewan Canada, they have closed so many businesses March 17 only essential business are operating with strict guidelines, social distancing , starting May 4 things are starting to reopen slowly, in 4 phases so we will not be fully open until later in the fall, all schools closed down. I agree with Sweden and which we would have had a choice. Our economy will take years to recover. Thank you for sharing your story.
Anya, Sweden has reported 263 deaths/million inhabitants, Norway and Finland 39 deaths/million. Swedish experts acknowledge that these numbers are highly different. Their bet is that, once lockdown is over, the other Scandinavian countries' death toll will inevitably catch up with Sweden's.
@@alaindumas1824 Oke so they accept that there are having more cases and deaths than if they were proactive. It's a bit different than what is said that the measures would not have an effect.
Jaroen66, The Swedish experts think that the lockdown postpones the inevitable. They made the following assumptions: 1) only herd immunity will stop the virus. 2) herd immunity will not be acquired anytime soon via a vaccine. 3) lockdown is not sustainable. #3 is true. #2 depends on whether Swedes acquire herd immunity before a vaccine is available. #1 will be wrong if SARS-Cov2 behaves like a seasonal virus and becomes much less contagious in the warm months, or if an effective treatment is found.
@Tender Vigilante Exactly, and they just use the old poeple as a scapegoat for calling poeple selfish (but its not selfish to take rights and freedom for a "safe" feeling") and if poeple dont wake the fuck up they deserve this totalitarian regime change. A friend of mine works im the hospital and they register EVERYONE as covid patient to inflate the numbers wich are still low.
Tell that to the overworked medical workers. Tell them their lost holidays are purely political, that all their dead or dying patients are necessary losses.
I like the relaxed rules but there's no Government that you can completely trust which includes sweden. All people are fallible so it's a big mistake to completely trust powerful government people.
You cannot say there is zero corruption in the Swedish government, but compared to other countries around the world, the corruption in Sweden is very very low.
My finnish friends told (years ago) a funny joke about swedish do not even talk to each other I know sweden a lot and i can state that social distance is more common in that culture than many other places And in this situation it helps a lot
If swedes are already socially distant maybe this would work. However, I am living in Toronto where pre-chronovirus my personal space is invaded all the time. Even when it's avoidable. I don't think our culture in the city of Toronto would do well with their strategy.
I'd probably like it there, especially after cheek-to-jowl NYC (nowadays, being one of those "essential" workers, it's cheek-to-jowl with aggressive, very odoriferous homeless drug addicts who have taken over the subway). Some of the oldest patients have done OK here through conservative measures (no ventilator use, judicious use of anticoagulants since much of the COVID problems are due to it causing blood clots, use of oxygen and expectorants). Those most adversely affected are those who are or have been smokers, obesity, diabetes, COPD, immuno-compromised people and people with heart disease.
Hey, I'm firm Portugal, our approach was to shut the country, we did it fast, right in the begging when we got like 50 cases, that's why we are being praised by other countries. However the economy is going to be crush. We were just leaving a crisis and now we are going back to one Hopefully the Swedish approach is good cause in August I'm gonna start my master in Växjö!
Same here in New Zealand. Our lockdown ends next Monday and we've pretty much eliminated corona from NZ. We've taken a major economic hit but we've frontloaded the damage so hopefully we can restart asap.
We have no new COVID19 cases for 5 days in Vietnam, there's only partially lockdown in our country but about 30 percent of small businesses close down temporarily. The economy is stable and business will resume as usual next week. 😆
@@vikz5786 Hi I have a question. Let say NZ succeed to remove all COIV in your country, whats the plan after that? I guess COVID will still be around rest of the world? Will you close boarders until we have a vaccin? /J
Sweden had a spectacular, epic fail on their covid non-response. Death rates well over ten fold compared to Norway and just about ten fold compared to Finland, and I mean after adjusting to population size. What makes this so sad is that most of the Swedes have drank the kool aid big time. I'm from Finland and here, at the ground level, people have been for and against of implementing restrictions and shutdowns of different parts of society. There has been an enormous portion of people who have voiced opinions for harsher restrictions and for ending restrictions. It's a constant debate on how we're doing and if we're doing the right things. But as per usual the Swedes rally around their own government and think they alone know the answer how to handle this the best way. Even if it's against what everyone else is doing. Everyone in Sweden just sings the same song about how good things are, and as in this video - straight up mimics the government's talking points. - A bunch of state worshipping lemmings, but that's how it's always been. Also, Sweden didn't reap any significant economical benefits for this mentally disturbed laizzez faire approach. What is sickening though, is that Sweden has been using covid to practically euthnanise the infected elderly, denying them hospital care, denying them oxygen and speeding up their demises by administering them with big doses of morphine. That is truly evil on a scale usually reserved for different kinds of dictatorships which are never referred as "utopian" in any sense, as Sweden is - for some unknown reason. Shame on you Sweden! I have usually defended Sweden when people go after you on all kinds of issues, but these practises I've learned about your elderly "care" during the pandemic (on our mainstream media, mind you) has made me loathe Sweden's policies, and think extremely negatively on the majority of Swedes who rally around this insanity thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread. Time to get your heads off from your own asses Sweden! We here in your neighboring countries are so sick and tired of your shit. Your policies affect us too! (Edited for typos)
Why did they lose you? Sweden and the Nordic communities have high trust, they pay high taxes, they have a lovely life with nowhere near the strife of America. I’m Canadian I have “some” trust in government...what I do trust as do the Swedes, and most if not all developing countries trust in is, Healthcare. Americans go bankrupt due to private health care. I think that you can attribute virtually all the corruption in the United States to the pharmaceutical companies, the healthcare companies, the military establishment as well as oil and gas. All of these lobbys line the pockets of your politicians and pump you people full of garbage, saying America is the best at this and that and look at you now. You are the best at looking like gangsters and spoiled children. I feel like the concept of flattening the curve or the initial steps taken made sense. You don’t want your healthcare institutions overwhelmed like New York City. The President of the USA, Britain’s Prime Minister was and still is a blow hard, but he got the virus and nearly died. He did NOT have to get the virus...but he kept shaking hands lime a yahoo. At least he now knows why it’s important to take this stuff seriously. Sweden also has a much smaller population. As a people I feel like the Swedes are quite happy. They have much clearer concepts of right and wrong...what drives then is not rabid consumption. They have short workweeks, they are way healthier than North Americans. They are far far more educated. The United States needs a total reset. Get rid of the political corruption, Lose the attitude of me first. THAT mindset is what stops Americans from being truly happy. Rugged Individualism has created a country of spoiled babies that are under educated if not uneducated. Assaulting people with guns, spitting in the face of law enforcement because you want a haircut. Jesus Christ grow up. Sadly since Trump has come to power it has shown the systemic racism and vile vile people that believe they are somehow superior based on pigment. Ignorance is bliss right. The American people don’t seem to blissful, but there sure seems to be about 40 percent of it that is ignorant. Just my opinion though, take it with a grain of salt. 😷🤦♀️😂😉🌺🌺🤷♀️🤴🏽💃🏼
@@hopesprings4967 i don't believe any government is without corruption, and with that, can not be trusted. Why should anyone blindly trust a group of people that want to make decisions for you?
I am Iranian American and I have been living in Sweden ,Goteborg for two years, Running smal Vegan/vegetarian Café in Central with my Wife. We are happy here and many thanks to these Couples for telling the truth 🌹
Watching Sweden with interest but don't like to see their high death rate (265 deaths/million population). Good that Sweden has hospital capacity for surges. I'm from BC (Western Canada) and we are doing well comparatively at 20 deaths per million (Canada's total = 100/m). BC has lighter restrictions than many, but sadly East (Quebec and Ontario) have highest cases/deaths (90%). With the 2-mo advance warning and better preparadness we could have probably avoided closing down except: Canada's 1st mistake was taking WHO's poor advice Feb 28 of NOT closing international flights and borders by Mar 1. 2nd, should have done a much better job at airport/borders of strict quarantining of travellers for 2 wks. Now, long expensive recovery ahead - possibly years. Stay safe everyone!
@@laurieglasser7006 if you know quebec history they are very quebec Quebec quebec. The isolation they create lacks a breading gene pool. Basically they most likely have less antibodies from less genetic diversity.
Alberta has handled it similarly to Sweden. Yes we closed some businesses for a while but we test anyone who wants to be tested and we are reopening in phases because here we don’t all live apart, many people live in large family groups which is different than in Sweden.
*The same sinister terminology used in different countries.* *The "New Normal" for the sheep - which is NOT NORMAL. These should be called Temporary Measures as these should be called.*
I am over 65 why do you want to place me in prison for a virus? I would just as soon take my chances as I always have. Many pandemics have came and gone. Hiding from disease is not really doing much good
I'm late to the party on this, so my comment may never be read... but here's my thoughts (coming from Australia). We have been fortunate to have a low death rate and we're looking at the potential of eliminating the coronavirus from Australia. One of the advantages of living on an island. My comcern with Sweden is this. Your testing rates are very low. People who appear to have the virus aren't even being tested unless they are admitted to hospital, or are health care workers. My brother in law lives in Sweden with his wife and 4 children. They all presented with symptoms and were advised to self isolated. Now, my brother in law has been admitted to hospital and therefore tested, yet there are 5 more people who have it and they aren't counted in your statistics. Sweden doesn't know where outbreaks are, it doesn't know the exact numbers to declare "herd immunity". I understand the different approach, I understand the faith in the government and in each other in general. However, from my point of view, it is being done irresponsibly.
So why do we need to test someone that are not in any great health risk or risk of dying? Who is that going to help? Our hospitals is not overflowing with dying patients, we still have a capacity for 20% more Covid19 patients. The big mistake that we did was to not lockdown the elderly homes in time(now however it is not allowed to visit the elderly). And for my thoughts to the lockdown approach, what will be the long term cost of many companies going under and people being unemployed? Less tax coming in, lower the health and the health care , how many will die from that long term? And if there’s a second wave and a third, will it be a lockdown for 3-4 months agian? Anyway nobody knows witch approach is best, time will tell. I’m enjoying my freedom anyway
@@Le_Andreas You need to test to be able to identify who has the virus, isolate that individual so he definitely doesn't infect others AND find out who that individual may have infected and quarantine those individuals, so they don't start spreading the disease themselves (even before they feel any symptoms themselves). This is the method used extensively in Iceland to severely mitigate the virus and stop the spread. Key here is: if people don't get infected there is zero chance of dying from Covid-19 :) You don't have to lock down the entire society. If you test aggressively and do this contact tracing as I mentioned, an open society, with people generally working will work. Take Iceland as an example. We started testing for Covid in the start of february, found the first confirmed infection though not until end of February and employed a police task force in tracing contacts of those infected. Iceland has a slightly more restrictive society than Sweden now. No lock down, schools are open for kids under 16. Work places are generally open. I am by far not an essential worker but I haven't missed a day of work since this began. Iceland, like Sweden has a ban on gatherings, we started at 100 and later went down to 20 when the infections started going up (it meant we did have to close gyms and swimming pools etc.), as opposed to your 50, and on May 4th we are going up again to 50. People need to understand that this virus will spread to about 2,5 - 3 persons if nothing is done. So if you get the virus you are going to infect 2,5 - 3 others. That is versus the flu infection rate which is 1,5 at most. So, if you mange to catch the infection early, you can seriously hinder its spreading and thus prevent it from doing more damage. Our Lead Epidemiologist has made this all very clear in his daily briefings to the Icelandic nation. And this is without a lock down. Check out the Icelandic data here and look at our curve of active infections www.covid.is/data
I've done a bit of the math on this. Covid-19 is at least twice as infectious as the seasonal flu. A person with the flu will infect on average 1,3 others. Covid-19 however will infect 2,5 - 3 people (or "to lie somewhere between 2.4 and 3.3" according to The Guardian e.g. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/germans-urged-to-stay-home-amid-covid-19-infection-rate-fears) . It is also known that about 0,1% of those with the flu die from it. Early figures from China on Covid-19 touted the deathrate to be at 2,5% and later, after it had started to spread to e.g. Italy, the WHO declared it to be 3,4% as they were sounding the alarm for other nations to get into shape in their preparedness. Now, this will vary from one country to the next. Italy's population is proportionately old, i.e. the people there are on average older than in many countries, so it's normal to explain the higher mortality rate there vs. nations with a younger population. Iceland, with its extensive testing has 10 people dead, from 1795 confirmed cases. That's a death rate of 0,6%. But, let's just assume, for the sake of the argument that both the flu and Covid-19 have the same death rate of 0,1%. What becomes apparent here is that even with those cautious figures, you'd be left with a lot more dead of Covid! Let's do the actual math here: So, roughly: Flu: You start with 1 infected person who hasn't infected anyone 1st level of infections: That person infects 1,3 others, so you have 2,3 people now infected 2nd level of infections: The newly infected 1,3 people then infect each 1,3 more people and you have the 2,3 persons from above + 1,69 more infected (1,3^2) , or 3,99 infections. You always apply the power of 2 to each level of new infections. 3rd level of infections: 1,69^2 = 2,9 more infections or 6,8 infections total 4th level: 2,9^2 = 8,15 more infections or 15 infections total. So, after 4 levels we're up to roughly 15 total people infected. 5th level: 8,15^2 = 66,5 more infections or 81,5 infections total. 6th level: 4.428 more infections or 4.509 in total. 0,1% death rate of that is 4,5 people dead. Covid-19 Let's be cautious here and say that unmitigated Covid-19 will infect 2,5 others. Then we have: 1st level of infections: 1 person infects 2,5 others. 2nd level of infections: 2,5^2 = 6,25 more infections or 9,75 infections total 3rd level of infections: 39 more infections or 49 infections total 4th level: 1526 more infections or 1575 total 5th level: 2.328.306 more infections or 2.329.881 total 6th level: 5,4 Trillion more infections or 5,42101 Trillion total infections. At the same level of infections as the flu and the same death rate, we have in an unmitigated situation where NO control over the infections is observed: 5,4 BILLION people dead, vs the 4,5 people dead from the flu. If we say that Covid is a bit less contagious and each person infects 2 persons, vs. 2,5. then 6th level of infections gives us "only" 4,3 million people dead. So yeah, this coronavirus is a fucking beast!!
@@ThorsteinnK except the tests aren't accurate, or at least they weren't. Hopefully it's better now, but for a while our experts were screaming test! at the top of their lungs, and they were the same ones that helped mess up the test on the first round. Someplace like NYC can't feasibly do like Sweden, but our farm states probably can, now that we've done shelter in place. Since we were already spread out, our death rates are ridiculously low compared to projections ( Oklahoma's is just under .0002 ) I don't know how many we've tested, but around 50,000 have come back negative. We have a surge hospital built if we get overwhelmed, but I really doubt we will now that everyone knows what's going on.
@@ellenhunt8767 Oh, Iceland has had fully working tests from the very start of February. I also remember how USA was using faulty tests in the beginning from the CDC that didn't prove to be working properly and had to be redesigned. All at the same time that the WHO had offered to send a bunch of already proven tests to USA so they could get going testing! But no, the tests had of course to be made in USA. hahaha. And so USA lost a few weeks in the battle against the virus. Foolish people.
Hey, I'm from France and I'm a bit sceptical about the speech you make in your video. Indeed, France now has more than 155,000 cases of coronavirus recorded since the beginning of the epidemic, including more than 20,000 deaths linked to the virus. That is why I find your attitude a little inappropriate when you say that there is no need to worry, that people are doing too much and that "only the elderly or those with no other pathologies die". Apparently Sweden is doing well and that is good for you, but be careful. We in France, too, took the epidemic very lightly at first. We laughed at our Italian neighbours who were going into lockdown and at those who were worried. "It's just a flu, it's not going to kill us". The reality is that unfortunately it is not just the elderly who are dying from coronavirus, in France and other countries, very young children have died from COVID-19 when they had no history of it. Many adults, sometimes as young as 30 or 40 years old, have to be transferred to intensive care because their condition has suddenly worsened. Even though these people were perfectly healthy before that. So no, it is not "highly unlikely" that people like you will develop a serious form of the virus. And it's not enough to just stop seeing older people. The problem is much more serious. As you said, and I agree with you on this point, containment is not a viable long-term measure. While in France we should be allowed to come out as early as 11 May, many people are worried about a second wave because, as you rightly pointed out, as soon as people are out again, the virus will circulate again. However, the argument of herd immunity does not seem to be strong either. A lot of scientific work shows that it is not certain that all infected people are then immune to the virus. In fact, there have been cases of people being infected a second time! Of course, we cannot allow the economy to collapse, but it seems to me that health comes first. In France, lockdown actually serves more to relieve the burden on hospitals and healthcare staff than to stop the epidemic. Indeed, our intensive care units are totally saturated! And I understand that Swedish hospitals are also increasingly overwhelmed... I sincerely understand your point of view because we had the same one as you in France a few weeks ago, but don't take this crisis lightly. However, thank you and well done for your video!
I have many friends in France who have told me that the amount of dead who are young (0-40 years old) and have had no pre-existing condition or health issue can be counted on the fingers of their hands. I have a friend of my parents in Italy who has said the same - and confirmed that it's only those with conditions and who are old that are dying, but it's just that their population is older in general, meaning they have a high amount of elderly people.
To lose so many old people in Italy was a big tragedy. Of course it meant that also the number of the not-so-old who died was not so small. Old and young usually live together so we had to lockdown. We consider the loss of so many old people something horrible, because they are weak and society should protect them but when we had lockdown it was too late. And a lot of nurses and doctors died to help them and we are very proud of them. Our society is different , so if the old there live by themselves you can protect them without a lockdown.
I always doubt about Swedish model. I has seen the outbreak longtime before it came to Europe. People in Asia have taken this virus more seriously. Swedish people always say that it’s like a flu and if you get it you will be fine again. No one is dead except the elders. I saw so many documents from the Asian expertises that showed that this virus wasn’t like other viruses and more harmful. When you get it, your lungs will get damaged. You may recover but you will not have the same capacity as before. My sister also lives in France too. She is very worry about the virus because so many people died and thing is getting more serious. She wears mask when she goes to grocery shops and she has to think twice when she touches anything. Hand gel is always with her. I think when Sweden reaches the high death tolls as other European countries, people will be more awake and afraid when it comes closer to them.
Alexander Tanasie It’s not really true. Actually, the child under 18 years old who died because of coronavirus can be counted on the fingers of one hand. But it is not the case for the adults of 30-50 who are not elderly but die anyway. Yes, there are more elderly people who died because of coronavirus than younger people, it is a fact. But the number of deaths of « young » people can not be neglected. Also, there are people who don’t die but have to go in intensive cares for weeks and then they keep many sequelaes, especially on the lungs etc... I have a friend, she’s juste 18 and she get infected. She had fever of 40 degrees Celsius, she had many problems on her lungs, even going to the toilets was difficult for her because she was out of breath...
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You and your gf ended up looking like this🤡🤡🤡 this video didn't age well at all!
The stats you have put are wrong. Worldometer collects the numbers of the graph you have put from the WHo, which is a completely biased organisation.
Covid is a huge scam.
We all need to social distance ourselves from the media.
BEST most truthful comment ever made
Thank you all for the likes! Be safe, wash hands and love one another. Hey also I want you to never forget who you are and why you're alive now. Life is a gift, the most amazing, rarest gift in the Universe. Even if they take every ounce of your freedom, because you were to asleep to noice, there will still be a place inside your heart that shines brighter than all the stars in the universe!!!!!!!!!!!👏😁
No kidding.
They are nothing short of a DISGRACE.Constantly putting fear onto people 24/7.The fear will be worse than the virus
yea, like in Italy we had some towns with more that 5400% of deaths compared to other years. Totally fine. It's just a flu broh.
www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronavirus-the-real-death-tool-4500-victims-in-one-month-in-the-province-of_1347414_11/
HAHAHAHAHA SWEDEN IS GOING TO BE SO FUCKED UP
I am a Taiwanese living in Sweden. Just want to clarify - Taiwan imposes no lockdown. Like Sweden, it’s business as usual, schools are open. People are acting very cautiously when going about their lives. Public spaces (elevator buttons, handrails etc) are cleaned and sanitized several times a day to prevent contact transmissions. Temperatures are checked and sanitizers offered at the entrance if you are to enter buildings/offices, some restaurants/cafes. People wear masks and practice social distancing. Mass gatherings are canceled or advised to be canceled.
What’s different is that Taiwan imposes containment measures and has been doing rigorous contact tracing since the beginning of January. So people who came in contact with patients tested positive or people who entered into Taiwan are required to do mandatory self quarantine at home for 14 days while the rest of the population goes about their businesses. These people are subsidized as an encouragement to stay home. So the goal is to limit the spread to the minimal extent in order to buy time for effective anti-viral medicine and vaccine.
Sweden on the other hand is not really containing the spread. The strategy here is to reach the herd immunity status so the goal is not to limit the spread but to let the disease spread slowly through population. However, when we could reach the herd immunity status remains debatable within the public health community. And there is no consensus with regard to how long the immunity will last. Also, at this point, we don’t even know exactly what percentage the spread is here in Sweden. The statistics offered by HFM are built on various assumptions and theoretical modelling. Also, we don’t even know if there will be long-term damage to the lungs after young, healthy people have recovered from covid-19. I think people or even scientists are worried about Sweden’s approach because of these different unknown factors and the fact that we are dealing with a novel virus which we know little about.
At this point, it’s hard to say which approach or strategy is better. Guess we will know when this is over.
But regardless lockdown or no lockdown, the damage in economy is evident everywhere even in Sweden or Taiwan. No single country is able to get out of this with the so-called minimal economic tolls given the globalization.
Phoenie Chen I guess that’s the differences people don’t understand.... I live in Sweden but I’m from Portugal and lived in different countries in Asia. Sweden has 10x more deaths than its Scandinavian neighbors. I don’t find Sweden’s approach the best for this people, only for its economy and that’s sad
@@hilda.laura.amaral Let's just call it for what it is. Sweden is sacrificing its old and weak at a frightening rate! It's insane!
Taiwan did a great job becasue it moved on the virus SWIFTLY. People are better educated and obedient to the government.
@@ThorsteinnK Not at all! People over 70 and in risk groups are advised to isolate as much as possible. Most of them do. It is not allowed to visit nursing homes. Where is the sacrificing? I get the impression that you want Sweden to fail.
Veronica Lanzen so you are saying that those 2000 plus people who died are not old nor weak? I’m actually curious. People in their 40 & 50s can die too bc they are still working and their immune system is not like in their 20s, or they are considered old in Sweden and they are in their homes? also no ones wants Sweden to fails, we want people not to die, we want to see governments worried about economy but still putting people safety first
The politicization of this crisis has been absolutely pathetic.
This won't be fixed by May 4.
This won't be fixed June 4, July 4, August 4, September 4, October 4.
My prediction. This crisis will end November 4, as in the day after the election (November 3).
On November 4, this will cease to be a political football.
After all the next election will be two years away.
The politicians will also cease to care whether your "hero doctor" is overworked or dead, or if your grandmother is dead in a nursing home.
At least, not until the next election season.
My Governor reared up on his hind legs and proclaimed this is about science, not about politics.
When a politician says "it's not about politics", one thing you know.......it's about politics.
General Zod thats beacause its all fake and the numbers are fake
all this is a pretext for what s coming right after corona
There is a certain group of people in the US who will do and say anything in hopes of damaging the Trump presidency. Scary people more so than the virus itself
Amen brother. Either you're a proper good liberal and for a complete lockdown until the vaccine arrives or you're an extreme Trumpist who wants to open the economy tomorrow. I've been a liberal progressive my whole life, and I've recently been accused of being a Trump supporter because I disagree with the mainstream media narrative.
The way this virus has been politicized was the last straw for me as a lifelong democratic voter. Say what you will about trump, but the reaction to him from Democrats, which has included idolizing neoconservative scam artists, and defending a dysfunctional status quo in our domestic and foreign policies, has exposed just how full of crap the democratic party truly is. Trumps heterodoxy has made it impossible for them to continue to play good cop to the Republicans bad cop in a way that is coherent and believable. And so they are becoming increasingly erratic and hysterical. And desperate to get back to the kind of "normalcy" where the two parties stick to the program of distracting and dividing the electorate by politicizing social issues that will never be resolved, while continuing down a road that is leading towards a future where wealth and power are consolidated into a tiny group of multinational corporations.
"There's zero corruption in the government..." Perhaps there's not as much as other countries, but seriously? You must live in a utopia.
Had to turn it off at that point. So silly
I haven't seen this level of innocence and naivety in a long time.
Is that the same swedish government that sold out to excepting all those muslim refugees, how that work out for you.
@@timmyjohnson2099 A SD supporter I see.
as they said, they are not expert on this, they are just normal.people, they need audience for mediocrity
Correction: Taiwan was never locked down, they are one of the countries that responded to Covid-19 very early on, sounding the alarm to the world health organization (WHO) but was ignored due to politics. Taiwan has successfully contained the spread on its own without the help from WHO.
Dragonfly Rising, thank you for correcting👍🏼👏🏼!
I am from Taiwan. Your correction is right. We have never locked down (so far), because we are the earliest to take action. We also have enough domestic production of masks and other necessary equipment. We are taking precautions, such as requiring everyone in public transport to wear a mask. The precautionary actions and cooperation of the public has helped us handle the virus well.
As a American and want to visit Taiwan, is there a two week quarantine period for me after I arrive?
@@tedl1441 while d WHO says don't wear masks🙄
The United States is not like Sweden. We have a terrible time with Covid. This means we’re needing to have lock downs.
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Amen!
Very true
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No need to turn it off if you don't have one...
Long story short: Swedish people rarely live with their parents or grandparents, they often live by themselves. And the government has Universal Healthcare and Paid Sick Leave, they do not force employees to go back to work while sick. These things make self quarantine, social distancing, and protection of the elderly much more practical.
And a whole lot easier when dealing with 10M and not 330M people with individual thought process.
Other governments encouraged the spread of the virus by containing the young with the old this happened once the schools were closed
But unfortunately the elders still got sick, especially in Stockholm. I heard a story that a woman had covid-19 and still worked at the elderly home! That’s horrible... But it seems that it has gotten better now.
Just as a lot of other countries actually. Meanwhile the rates per million are going up in Sweden. Thing is, there are only 10 million people living in Sweden and the country is big. That's why this sort of works. Compared to a country like Taiwan the situation is not that good.
Sorry, does not explain the low death rate as compared to the UK! Sweden introduced safe distancing and testing immediately and but without locking down the economy. This resulted in stopping the virus traveling. The population continued going to work, pubs, restaurants etc. They did not confine themselves their homes as you have stated. The UK got it wrong from the start by stopping testing! The government listened to the likes of Prof. Ferguson who has a 20 yer record of failed epidemic modelling!
Well this video didn't age very well. Like at all. Adjusted for population, Sweden has one of the highest - if not thee highest - coronavirus death-rates in the world. Sweden's COVID-19 death count of 4,795 is equivalent to there being 143,850 in the United States.
That's an absurdly high amount of deaths compared to your neighbors in Norway and Denmark. Furthermore, we don't know how this disease is going to affect people in the long run and whether or not people can fully recover.
And we don't know if the antibodies generated as a result of a SARS-CoV-2 infection actually confers any type of long-term immunity to it.
The argument for saving the economy is probably the weakest and most reprehensible. It is incumbent upon a society to do everything in its power to protect the most vulnerable - in this case the elderly.
They are the very people who built Sweden and made into the great country that you've been so fortunate in inheriting from them.
It is your duty to do anything and everything in your power to make sure that they are protected and safe from this, and your society has failed miserably at that. What's most pathetic in all of this is that you didn't even try despite all of the early warnings from other countries about just how bad it was going to be.
Sweden has deliberately chosen to put profits over people's lives. Why? So that millennials and gen-x'ers can continue going out to bars and restaurants? Herd immunity? Please. More like culling the herd.
But Sweden was just experimenting. Plus, death is a natural part of life - and you get to shake Jesus' hand when you die. He gives you a gold watch, and then you have a picnic
Looks like your post didn't age well... Sweden seems to have done the right thing for them.
What are they talking about? COVID is not the flu. Even you recover, your body already damaged by the virus. A study from the UK shows some children have brain damage after getting COVID.
@@Baslium that's from wearing a mask all day!
I'm from Spain. In mid-march we had a hard lockdown for two months. You could not leave your house unless you were an essential worker or to take groceries. The lockdown was heavy enforced by the police, and some people were arrested. The lockdown was softened in june, but everyone is required to wear a mask everywhere. Spain has one of the highest covid 19 deaths, far worse than Sweden, same with Italy or Belgium, countries where lockdowns were also enforced. How is that possible if swedes are wrong?
Unfortunately, in the USA we are more unhealthy than Sweden. Obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease all plays a part in our mortality rate.
I'd say also, your pictures show people outside. That has been documented to help stop the spread. Find me a row a restaurant's with outdoor seating like that during winter/ colder months. I teach, if I asked my students to play outside, I'd spend handed the time listening them complain about cold they are because fashion is more important than function. (I work just outside a city, so the populace view a bit skewed).
Because they feed you with junk food and gmo food , flouride water etc. , In the U.S. your life and your soul belongs to the governments
And don't forget that new yorks hospital system already breaks under a common flu: time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
Even in the USA under 45 has very few deaths. Those over 50 just stay home. The rest of us will go back to work and keep the machine running.
@@carlosgrajales44 You are wrong! The corporations own us.
In South Korea, we do feel much safer, no second wave at all. New confrimed patient is less than 10 people in whole nation. So far I'm quite proud of my nation and our all medical supports
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I Love you series on Netflix - South Korea rock big time😀! God job on the Virus!! Greetings from Sweden👍.
You are going to get the virus again when the airplanes starts going..
I'm very proud of South Korea too. However, your people and your government suffered before with SARS and therefore, you were much well prepared than the rest of the world. You were educated about masks and social distancing long before Europe.Moreover, the South Korean government with the previous outbreaks already had a system in place. You are also some of the smartest people in the world, you know how to behave. Unfortunately, your approach only work well in a country where the people are responsible as much as the South Koreans are. I do have some criticism but you are definitely in a much better position than the rest of the world because you have been effectively testing, what others, especially EU countries are failing to do.
I rather live in a country that values privacy!
@@Coconut7403 I rather be alive and not hiding
This video makes too much sense. Why hasn't UA-cam removed it?
Sweden's deaths per million population is even higher than USA. See www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ yourself.
bin chen that is still not considerably higher though. Few more deaths per MILLION people.
@@TaijaT76 The US is likely massively under reporting deaths - there isn't blanket testing of all deaths, even if suspected www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/04/14/underreporting-of-covid-19-deaths-in-the-us-and-europe/#316f207b82d7
@@binchen Everyone knows the numbers are inflated
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q The death counts come from the hospitals not the government. And hospitals are inflating the numbers for $$
“The people Trust their Government and the government Trust it’s people”. Sweden is already ahead of the world with that one simple statement. Here in the USA, not so much.
"There's zero corruption in the government." - Ignorance is bliss
Totally :) LOL
lol "zero corruption and government" in the same sentence made me smile then burst into laughter.
I had the same thought- Greetings from Norway. There is no such as a country where there is no form of corruption in the structure of the worlds/countries. Its impossible to have zero, its just human nature to want more and scheme towards our own benefits and or for others benefits and try to turn things into a positive to achieve those goals.
Watch videos of The Angry Foreigner for real info about sweden.
@@catwalkster they stated in the beginning that what they say is not fact it is their " personal " opinions and should not be taken as fact .
I'm from Spain. After a lockdown of almost 2 months, our herd immunity is only of 5%. What's been the point of all of this? Jobs ruined, a damaged economy...and almost the same risk of contagion
Open the country up. Keep the old, fat, weak people inside and let everyone else live free. It's sad to see how Spain operated and continues to operate.
@delonix regia Always up for a friendly competition. 😁 My city I'm in is opening up against our state's orders. We're tired of liberal socialist scumbags ruining our lives. We want our freedom back! Good luck reopening! God bless.
Spread of this virus is containable with the correct mitigation measures. Lockdown should be followed by some solid mitigation plans to greatly reduce the risk of another spike.
@@FunkyBobFett what happens when the old, fat, weak people get into contact with their family members coming in from the outside? Unless you are suggesting sending the weak fat people to special places?
@delonix regia I used more words, you used better words. He is from the country of yelling people, the more they yell, the more we pity them...
When I heard you say that there is " zero corruption" in Sweden you lost me. There is corruption everywhere!
I think they said there was no government corruption.
@@judymurray191 Hard for an American to believe but compared to us, where without corruption the government would refuse to function as it is built into the system, I'll grant that Sweden has none.
Where there is money there is corruption, more or less
@@ariellango8963 Have you read 'The Girl wit the Dragon Tattoo'? Lol
Well, Sweden does not pay obscene salaries for the people working for the government (parliament, for instance!)... so, if you decide to work for the government you really want to serve your country... I live in Brazil right now where the politicians have obsene wages PLUS a LOT OF fringe benefits (they are all rich, but they get "support income for housing, for Suits (dah?!), and insurance for the WHOLE Family - even though they pay private insurance and have access to the best private hospital in the country, where as the common worker has a hard time getting minimal health care!) and Brazilian politicians made corruption into an art form! Even during the corona crisis, they still keep voting for more privileges for themselves (like pension for all their children until the age of 29 or so...!) and at the same time they zeroed down pension for the common workers... the time spans are so long that most people now will die before they can apply for pension! Even (unmarried) daughters of military personell have pensions (high) for life... why would you get married, then?! The school system is a sad thing to watch (I know, because I am a primary school teacher!). TH SUS (general health care) is a great IDEA, but in the reality way under funded and all the health care workers get really low wages, accross the board... so, the system works ALWAYS to its capacities... now in the corona crisis we see how importante the system is and how debilitated it was. The sanitary system in Brazil is a shambles... in a crisis like this, who will suffer the most?! No, not Middle and upper class... they have health insurance and all that jazz, live in well maintainde neighborhoods.... but the people wo live in very sub standard housing will suffer tremendously.. All of this is corruption... is crime against humanity... and it is done inn the name of politis, by politicians in greed...
How is that about corruption in comparisson with Sweden, huh?!
I think Sweden was right to introduce lighter measures. There's no sense of shutting down everything. You can see how it ends: agressive protests (not only in the US), thousands of people losing there jobs, anxiety, depression, mental problems... and yes, people die from covid but most of them would die anyway from other diseases, sadly. I totally agree with lighter measures, because you can ot really see in Sweden these disadvantageous consecuences of the total closure. Most younger people would be okay with covid, experts say this, so why closing schools and jobs? Protect the elderly, give them quarantine, tell younger not to get too close to their elder family members, raise consciousness about this and let the under-60-year-olds live their lives!!!
I'm from Taiwan. Just want to correct your info. There hasn't been a lock down here at all. Everything is pretty normal, except that almost everyone wears a mask and people practice more social distancing. The government spends a lot of efforts tracking people who have contacted with the infected people. If you have contacted with them, you will be asked to self-quarantined at home for two weeks and then tested. So far this strategy works quite well. Very low spread and death. Most cases in the past month were people who came back from abroad. Very few domestic cases.
Taiwan's response is amazing from what I've heard (in the US). You were able to contain the virus, whereas we let it spread all over and the only option at that point was mitigation. We acted too late. It was very frustrating since we had the chance to follow what was happening elsewhere with a month's notice at least. Our government also doesn't care much about testing people (well the scientists emphasize it's grave importance, but the officials don't listen). Science saves lives...
I hear that Taiwan also got lucky, but then better lucky that good. Chinese tourism was cut off since summer 2019, because of a little spat between China and Taiwan. This does not downgrade the response, and containment that Taiwan achieved. But, your boarders are closed, and not many cases within your boarders. The questions, how to open those boarders, and when to open boarders. If you want to continue to keep these numbers of cases small you will need to keep your boarders closed until there is vaccine. That could be 1 year..... I'm still liking the response of Sweden more and more each day. Taiwan's numbers are excellent, but how long can this continue. A large part of Taiwan's GDP is electronics companies. TSMC is a good example, and in order to run companies like this you need to have open boarders. At some point the big question will be raised. Is a ?percentage? of death worth opening the boarders?
Benefits of living on an island.
So the communists would have you believe.
@@SailingAquarius its only people that are not allowed to travel. Goods still travel. Also 800k Taiwanese work in Mainland china, so Taiwan was very cautious from the very beginning since dec-jan.. Taiwan economy doing ok, also the vice pm of Taiwan is an epidemiologist
SOCIAL DISTANCE FROM THE GOVERNMENT WILL DO IT
@AUTHORITY OF NEW HEAVEN God ́s Wisdom! SO HELP ME GOD
@AUTHORITY OF NEW HEAVEN God ́s Wisdom! You need to go back to your happy place.
Remove all govt officials in USA
AUTHORITY OF NEW HEAVEN God ́s Wisdom!
You’re nuts.
Swedish approach can only work in sweden: effective govt, good healthcare system, educated and less brainwashed citizens, etc.
true that. It's a shame but people in those western countries are totally brainwashed and very well endoctrinated. We need to get rid of the media. The richest are getting richer right now and the poor getting poorer
Very true. In America, our healthcare system is all kinds of fucked up, we have way more people in a larger country, and our government doesn't want to take care of us because it's seen as a "handout" and people get all pissy about that and they want the money to go toward the corporations instead of the people. So people need to open their businesses back up. A lot of people think this is a fine way to live, but this is why our infection rate and death rate will be what it is. Sorry I used the word "people" so much and sorry for the run on sentences. It is what it is lol
Trump is right. Just take a look for yourself and you can see Sweden has more deaths per 1M people than the USA.
Juan Valdesz indeed. 3500+ deaths passing Netherlands in death rate, and we have 3.5 more than deaths than the rest of Nordic and baltic countries combined. An utter disaster denying oxygen masks to old people in the elderly homes and therby violating the Human Rights with the right to healthcare
@@juanvaldesz7603 ... And lots less than the UK, Spain, Italy... And the first wave is coming to an end, let's see how the countries that locked down handle their second wave. Choose your stats to keep you in your bubble of you like though
Hindsight is always 20-20. Now we know Sweden has the highest death rate in Europe. 10x higher than its Scandinavian neighbours. Worse still, Sweden's unusual herd immunity strategy is particularly hard on the old and vulnerable. Even worse than that, doctors in Sweden have been advised to administer morphine for over-80s or over 60s with risk factors and not admit them to hospital. This effectively kills these people as morphine inhibits breathing. Sweden's government should actually be tried for crimes against humanity.
I feel like we could cure the coronavirus by just shutting off our televisions.
Yes sir!
Fear lower immune system response.
Damn right
Totally agree! (I don't switch mine on!)
24/7 fear porn on the tv to sell this fake plandemic. The virus is real, but it's not the black death, that's for sure.
One subject you didn’t raise - domestic violence has exploded in lockdown countries such as France and Italy. Women and children suffering.
Jonte Ded same in the UK
Here in Panama they recognised that might happen and introduced a ban on alcohol sales. Not sure yet if it helped or made it worse.
In Australia too. It's why more than anything they want schools to open so kids are not putting pressure on families by being at home. The tension is still there between kids in school mode and the exposure for teachers Poor little kids didn't ask for any of this to happen
@@tosca...
Domestic violence is always exacerbated by financial difficulties, even without this illegal lockdown resulting from the planedemic hoax. The increase in domestic violence is applicable only to cases where there are financial problems that resulted from the lockdown. For families that have no financial difficulties this lockdown has provided them with quality time to spend together & improve their relationships.
We are only seen as expandable by the media, so a man abused by his wife is seen at best as a comedy act
Just a note, South Korea and Taiwan aren’t experiencing a second wave and they probably are the most exemplary countries to learn from on how to deal with this situation without going into a lockdown as neither of those two countries were in a lockdown.
Not surprising considering the average IQ of the people in those countries compared to ones in the United States. Especially the South and Midwest.
Plus Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Yisra'el...... too !
dave days : my reply was meant to you, not to 'F'.....
Niclas J.W. Not Japan, their cases are rising fast.
@@Zergcerebrates your source? Mine doesn't concurr. Given Japan's landmass and population I think they have a typical rate with these factors.
Why are you talking about quarantining 70 year olds? If I'm 70 years old and afraid of the virus I can self quarantine if I choose to. Don't make it mandatory. We old folks want to enjoy what little time we have left. Let us live our lives!
The key: homogeneity of class, less overcrowding (single households), hospitals are not at capacity. Different infrastructure. We have urban “hotspots” of overcrowding. Overwhelmed testing and healthcare systems.
Well ... "homogene in class" is very dubious. The death rate in poor immigrant surburbs is much higher.
If you are talking about the US, where is our overwhelmed health care system? Most hospitals are total ghost towns, ironically needing to lay *off* health care workers because of ridiculously draconian lockdowns. The only system that got remotely close to overwhelmed is NYC’s, but only a small, and not surprisingly, highly publicized number. No one that needed an ICU bed or ventilator didn’t get one.
It's much too early to say if getting infected means you would be immune forever. We don't know if you can't be infected again or if immunity does actually last forever.
There's no evidence to suggest the contrary either, other than from alarmists without backgrounds in medicine.
@@whiskeysprings I heard it from our Minister of Health and Doctors, even my own Dr. They just don't know, that's not being alarmist that's just a fact.
Thanks for that. For there is no clear evidence either way. Björn Olsen believes you will get 'some' immunity, but the discrepancies can be due to inaccurate testing and so forth. We just don't know. And herd immunity is a bit of a 'unicorn' - no one knows if it exists.
@@amycrunch3812 there have been reports that young people are developing blood clots and having heart attacks, strokes and other problems. Doctors have started to recognise how common the problem is in Covid 19 people who they thought had recovered. Autopsies have been finding this problem too. However not all people get autopsies so they didn't recognise it sooner. They thought it was just affecting the lungs and have now found it can be throughout the body. Not all people die but they do become quite disabled. To suggest people risk getting infected for herd immunity is a huge risk to take.
Immunity can be full immunity or it can mean when this virus mutates and comes back again the antibodies you get from this strain makes it less potent. No one is immune forever from flu/colds
One month after your video on COVID-19,, do you still feel the same? An update would appreciated.
I was about to write that. The numbers for Sweden as of 30-05-20 are dismal compared to all neighboring countries. Was the 4395 deaths (to this moment) worth going to restaurants. Self-isolation, social distancing is NOT difficult. It's been mildly inconvenient for me, but I'm one of the fortunate ones. Many have had their livelihood destroyed. I'd rather lose a business than a loved one.
@@originalsuki Are you a Swede? BBC Hard Talk did an interview w/ Tegnell and pushed him almost obnoxiously to get him to admit fault on Sweden's strategy. Tegnell referred to something like 70% approval of the lax shutdown policy amongst Swedes and basically said at this point we won't know whether their policy has proven better. He also acknowledged a concerning death rate that is largely attributed to the nursing homes, however. ua-cam.com/video/Biqq34aUJcQ/v-deo.html
@@originalsuki I have also heard that here in Sweden we count everyone that died with the virus as a covid-19 death. So for example somoene with the Covid-19 get's hit by a car and dies to internal bleeding is a Covid-19 death as most contries do not count that as a covid-19 death. it's difficult to compare stastistic between countries when every country counts things differently.
@@SoberCorewin source?
As an answer to you all. The only way to know the truth of the covid damage, is to look at the average historical mortality at the same historical months and compare. Sweden has no such differences for now (mars was slightly higher and april slightly lower). Which means Sweden is doing relatively good actually.
zero corruption? Come on, dude.
The corruption perception index ranked Sweden number four in 2019. Which means that if not none, then the corruption level is very very low.
I am 64 years old with 2 underlying health issues. I made the decision to self isolate On March 10th. I think all people here in the United States should be allowed to make their own decisions as well. Give people the right to chose according to their individual health concerns. Sounds fair to me. I think Sweden has the right ideas on this. Thank you for the video.
If your choices only affected you, that would be an excellent argument. Since your choices affect anyone else you might come into contact with (and since once can spread the virus while being asymptomatic, you have 0 control unless you get regular testing - which one cannot), your supporting/core assumption would be null and void - and so is the argument. I do hope you stay healthy (physical and mental) during your isolation and take care.
kaladin she’s not saying it only affects the person she’s saying if you are ok with taking the risk go out and if you don’t want to take this risk stay inside like what she is doing...it’s really that simple
@@lukelabare6580 I understand. However those taking the risk are also increasing risks for others with whom they may come into contact (who might be out to conduct essential shopping only).
kaladin it seems to me there’s no 100% clear answer to this other than weighing the pros and cons of staying locked down or not depending on the area and how bad the numbers are, personally I side with if our areas leader says we should come out and restart things like opening up small businesses I’m all for it verses staying locked down
kaladin like Kathy said she made the decision to stay locked down and that’s her choice
7:06 FYI, Taiwan never went into lockdown, and never had a community outbreak like the rest of the world. What they did was closed all borders with China and screen all international flights coming into the country, way before any other country did. Mandatory and voluntary home quarantine was also enforced quickly, as well as excellent contact tracing for all cases.
Germany also did a lot of contact tracing and selective quarantine to control spread
How does 'volutary' quaratining become mandatory?? 🤔🤔😁😃
You don't quarantine healthy people, only those that are ill or may be.
@@jonnyd13768 When the situation got worst around the world, and when some people were caught breaking quarantine. Then it became mandatory 14 day once you land in Taiwan, heck you even get paid to be in quarantine.
@@kristi2939 Since the virus can be spread asymptomatically, everyone now has to do mandatory 14 day quarantine.
I 100% agree with all you have said .There is Drs out here in the US trying to tell everyone the same thing you just said , but people are so freaked out
in germany they dont even get heared. more like: they get mashed from the media.
@@Gamehub1339 thankfully, bullshit has short flies in germany
yeah, everywhere in the world this kind of anti-science bullshit is being propelled
Those doctors have been proven wrong over and over again. Full echo chamber garbage.
Today 9 of June Sweeden has over 44 thousands cases confirmed and over 4 thousands deaths while Norway and Denmark not over 600 with about the same population... Well done
Hi there beautiful young couple. As a 65+ couple living in Solna / Stockholm we are appalled by the lack of consideration with the lives of the elderly in our population. It is not “sad” neither a coincidence that in Stockholm so many elderly have died in homes for the elderly. It is an outrage that could have been avoided if government had enforced stricter measures. Our daughter in law works as a nurse in such a facility. Until last week she and her colleagues were not allowed to use personal protection while tending the residents: there was / is simply not enough PPE available. Last week they had their first Covid-19 death. Many will follow. Most of the nursing staff in these centres come to work using public transport. Without any physical distancing possible. Ever been in STHLM during rush hours? Hardly anyone wears a mask. No alcohol gel is provided. Business as usual... The generation Swedish government is prepared to sacrifice to save the economy have left you young people with a superb health care system compared to most other countries, built on their tax money over decades. Nowadays it seems as if they are considered by many as being disposable. Please dear countrymen and -women, please ... start wearing a mask when using public transport or doing your shopping. Not for yourselves but to protect the elderly and more vulnerable people in our society. The little sneeze you keep behind your mask could otherwise be deadly for the grandmother standing in the same queue or for anyone with compromised immunity touching anything you have contaminated. The nurse in front of you might be on duty tonight. Thank you for your understanding and support. Stay safe and keep us safe also.
Very sad but let's be HONEST..if this virus mostly affected Children and Young Adults in their 20's and 30's there would be a TOTAL LOCKDOWN in Sweden just like most countries now in the World. But this is affecting Migrants in no-go zones and especially the Elderly...so thanks for the tax money, protect the economy at all cost and remember to do whatever the Public Health Agency says...sorry but party on. THAT is the message of the Government (Duty and Loyalty)...and really the message of this video.
"There are now alarming reports, including in the Washington Post, that the virus has spread to one-third of nursing homes in the capital Stockholm, resulting in rising fatalities. There is also little indication that the Swedish economy has weathered the coronavirus economic storm any better than comparable countries.
The drop in the Swedish stock market and the rise in unemployment are approximately in line with other advanced economies. According to their own estimates, Sweden’s economists predict that their GDP is expected to contract by 3.4% in 2020, certainly better than the 5.5% average decline projected for the eurozone (dragged down by Italy and Spain), but a lot worse than the 2.9% decline projected for the US economy."
I think many people are seeing China and Sweden, very differently... then they did say a year ago.
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Hej! Jag håller med. Jag anser att de förebbygande åtgärderna som den Svenska regeringen vidtog vad gällande den äldre populationen var alldeles för avslappnade. Men jag anser också att dem har rätt vad gällande hur vi hanterar situationen överlag. Det är ett svek att Regeringen inte bidrog med sannitering och uttrustning inom äldrevåren redan från första början. De som arbetar inom äldrevården borde ha fått stärkta restriktioner, och kanske virustester innan man klev in i en lokal där det finns sårbara indevider. Regeringen misslyckades med detta vilket har resulterat i stora konsekvenser för det svenska folket. Men faktum kvarstår att i din välldigt korrekta analys så nämner du farmorn som stod i kö. Denna farmor existerar i hela landet och borde egentligen stanna Hemma. Allmänheten borde inte behöva masker då de äldre och sårbara ska aggaera under en locksdown. Denna farmorn kan "ta hand om sig själv" till skillnad från de på äldrevådren, vilket gör att människor över 70 som ändå går ut i allmänheten sätter sig själva i faran. Jag Ber er att stanna Hemma så att resterande samhälle kan bibehåla ett bra välfärdsystem som i det långa loppet kommer att bidra till att den äldre generationen blir omhändertagen. Och jag vet att även äldre behöver handla provisorer. Men då gör man som i min familj, där vi värnar om våra farföräldrar och därför aggerar som deras leverans. Äldre i vår omgivning berättar vad dem behöver och vi köper detta åt dem. Vi erbjuder även våra grannar det samma. Så be någon att köpa hem och leverera era varor så att ni inte riskerar att bli smittade. För det är mycket bättre generellt om en liten del av populationen stannar hemma, än om alla gör det. Samma analys kan appliceras på de som arbetar inom äldrevådren. istället för att stänga ner gatorna för att de ska kunna göra sitt jobb, så måste dem förstå att man stannar hemma om man är sjuk. Det är deras löfte till dem äldre att kunna ta hand om dem. Så för mig är det helt offatbart att hör från våra myndigheter att arbetande inom äldrevådren åker till jobbet, trots vetskapen om att dem är sjuka. Allt kan verkligen inte skyllas på arbeterna, men vi måste alla ta vårt ansvar.
majoritetten gör sitt yttersta bästa och lite till, men det räcker med en bristande länk och hela kedjan fallerar. Med det sakt så hoppas jag att läget förbättras inom kort, och att ALLA följer regeringens rekometationer, för det är inget fel på systemet. problemet ligger hoss oss människor. Ha det bäst, och be safe :)!
Yes it's a disgrace but the neglect has been so great that it cannot have been a coincidence. They must have been doing it on purpose. Elderly homes don't have oxygen to even treat the sick and they are not admitted to hospital. They are given morphine. Check out Dr. Whistleblower.
Callous politicians may see this as a chance to lower future pension expenses.
And the care homes are now closed for relatives so nobody will have a chance to see the maltreatment going on there
@@peterw8532 I'm totally down with the fact that the government could - and should - have done more to protect the elderly, but there are a few things that might need to be cleared up.
1. Nursing homes aren't all state run, meaning that it might not be possible to enforce the same rules in every facility without changing the laws.
2. Only Stockholm has been severely affected, meaning that the insinuated corruption is either local or locally contained.
3. Even in Stockholm, the number of deaths among the elderly would be of such a significant number that it would have any greater impact on the overall economy.
4. Helping to spread fringe theories that perpetuate distrust and reduce the likelihood of adherence to guidelines produced by government experts will help no-one.
Things have been sloppily handled in some areas, and however bad that is, it's nothing new to behold. Confusion and a desire to stay within company budget is a more probable cause than any conspiracy theory.
Greetings from Australia. I am sitting on the fence in handling this virus. The anxiety around Covid -19 is quite toxic, people may die from a broken heart with no hugs and affection for months. Also lack of vitamin D & lack of being outside is now linked to higher risk of getting Covid-19.
And yet we've done well to flatten the curve with lock downs. This was achieved early, and we are the envy of the world. But yeah, life in Victoria has sucked until last night when the laws relaxed a bit.
@@clumpft Yeah great job Lockdown’ Suicide Rise to Kill More Australians than COVID-19. etc you all failed you caused way more harm and zero good with hysteria panic lockdown....
@@clumpft data in Australia says it's not going to kill anybody unless they already have a health problem or are old and weak. Those are the folks who ought to be in quarantine.
@@sumerbabylon7069 Absolutely. Also more domestic violence. I'm appalled at how stupid the Australian government is (also bought by Big Pharma) - and how easily people here are brainwashed by the fear-mongering fake news mainstream media.
@@User0resU-1 Exactly!
I live in japan and it's mostly still open. Corona is almost gone from the country. But people are diligent about masks and spraying alcohol on hands etc.
spraying alcohol on hands? What a waste!
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Japan or Japanese are very very disciplined and strong minded. For such a dense population they came out incredible well.
@@bundsta324 check google troll flaps
@@PhilVanDerPolz so true, i have teouble dealing with just a quarter of the life challenges they go through with resilience.
Living in the U.S., I feel like the lockdowns have caused a lot of damage. Sweden had the right approach in dealing with the corona virus. That is really wonderful there is a good relationship between the Swedish government and its people (and vice versa). I wish it could be like that here in the U.S. (this country has become so divisive). I agree, that a lot of people are scared from watching the news and buying into everything the media says. I've been trying to live as “normally” as possible and not in fear. I know you have gotten a lot of comments on your video, but if you happen to see this, could you let me know how the situation in Sweden is today (December 2020)? Thank you so much for your video and sharing your thoughts and perspectives.
correction needed: South Korea has not been hit by the 2nd Wave. It is very much controlled.
You are going to get the virus again when the airplanes starts going. It's going to take a long while before any vaccine is ready...
Whats the plan after you succeeded to remove COVID?
@@chb1724 They won't be going again. And if so, only between countries under mitigation. Swedes have a fixation on liberalism the rest of the world is not sharing.
@@oneukum That's interesting. What liberal ideas are there in sweden that the other european countries dont share? And how does the fixation manifest itself in sweden? Please elaborate.
Well done South Korea.
There is one area where we failed in Sweden and that is in the protection of elderly. However, looking at the daily death statistics, we are not higher than previous years (except for a period of 9 days).
This is true and the Swedish Chief Epimediologist, along with politicians, have admitted as much
How were they affected? They didn't keep social distancing in retirement homes and disabled homes?
@@almavysniauskaite3032 the government didn't close down visitation rights soon enough. They should have stopped visits and invested in education for staff in how to deal with this situation. They have remedied most if the situation but many elderly has died. Many of them would've likely passed away anyways but the government could've done more.
Dr. Erickson an emergency room Dr.of the Bakersfield CA talked about the same issues and generally agrees with your assessment.
Here's the thing tho, most doctors since the beginning have said what these two have said! Accompanied by facts. My issue is the people who aren't listening and who are not being reasonable.
Erickson is a quack
He worked in a walk-in clinic!
Genius Bonobo how is Dr Erickson a quack?
There are Doctors on both sides of the fence.
so... still think the same now? Sweden now has the highest death rate percapita.
That spike was a little delayed by the expected 5 weeks. (up to 2 weeks incubation, average of 3 weeks to recover or die).
Sweden seems to be taking this virus as an opportunity to "thin out" their aging and morbid population..... which economically will be a benefit in the future... as long as you don't have too much long term effects from being infected with covid19. There are definitely signs that a percentage of people that have severe symptoms are recovering with permanent lung, kidney, pancreas and/or other damage.
I live in Norway, and you can't denie that you are not making this a matter of sacrifice- of the elder. Deaths are scyerocking and it is the old people dying. You are young. Do you think elder people look at this with the same positivity as you do?... Neehh
There was in our history one Adolf who wanted get rid of "weak" people... pure cynism.
More Swedes die per day during an average flu season. Also the elephant in the room is what will happen when other countries realise that a permanent lockdown isn't sustainable.
Why is every country so happily to send their young people off to war, millions of deaths in world war one and two. This is another war. An economic war. People die in wars. If every life is so damned important why don't governments send themselves bankrupt trying to cure every disease????
You know that you cant just prevent people from dying unless a vaccine i developed. Shutting down the economy and temporarly stopping the spread will just postpone the problem. Lockdown is only necessary if the health care cant handle all the people they have too. Stockholm is close to herd immunity which the rest of Sweden also will be soon and when that happens Norway will still be sittning there on lockdown while the economy is taking a hit.
People die from a collapsed economy too.
Sweden has taken a good holistic approach. They rely on their people to act wisely. I think find in the end they did the right thing. I support them.
Bob Mester totally agree!
Definitely agree!
Treat your people like children and they will most likely behave childish. Treat your people like adults and they would act like adults. Simple like that. :)
Sweden doesn't have Trump supporters so. They are much too educated to vote for a Trump.
The entire federal government has worked their asses off through this. It wouldn’t hurt to show a little gratitude rather than politics..
I think you staying in Sweden is smart. I live in US and feel our country has corruption and not community. False media like you covered. Where I live in Florida we have not freedom to go to grocery and necessary businesses so not everything shut down. I think Sweden has been smart and not sold fear to people. Fear lowers the immune system. Corruption and fear go together. I hope US changes over time. All the best.
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It won't unfortunately because that would take all the people or majority changing and demanding justice and righteousness. That won't happen.
True but why are the working people taking it I am retired I am out and about where ever I can I grew up in the '50s with a lot of diseases and our parents taught Us to be fearless BUT CAUTIOUS
I live in Florida and i don't see anyone staying home. I have to go to work and people are out and about all day long. There is traffic everywhere. People are barbecuing, in the pools, walking, hanging out. I don't see any social distancing at all. Walmart is always full, bjs, publix, etc... i work in radiology and people are coming in for non essential exams. Our schedule is full. People here are acting like nothing is going on.
@@wj8054 could that be why casualties are so high in the US. ?Certain amount if caution is needed as with anything. Thats why the spanish flu spread. ?
This video hasn’t aged too well.
As of 19 Jan 2021 Sweden is the only Nordic country in the top 25 countries organised by most deaths per 100k in Europe.
Standing in at #12 (with 95 deaths per 100k) and Denmark at #26 (with 28 deaths per 100k)
And Iceland, Norway, & Finland having the least deaths per 100k in Europe, at around 8, 9, & 11 (respectively) deaths per 100k.
Sweden currently has 10 times more deaths than was necessary.
More stats here:
www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
7:04 South Korea and Taiwan? No, they didn't go into quarantine. No, second wave yet(Don't trust media you said). Total death so far are 240 as of April 25th in S. Korea population of 50 million. Total population of Sweden is 10 million and 2000 sad death. How do you think you are doing alright?
Totally. Death toll today in Sweden is over 2200.
Zeke Glenn that’s not how it works. Population gets humanity with vaccines in a period of 1 to 2 years... so you think you would reach immunity without a vaccine earlier than that? At expenses of people dying for its economy? ...
If you multiple Sweden's 10mil population to the US population of 350mil Sweden would have 77000 deaths. Is the economy worth having about 50%more deaths?
@@hilda.laura.amaral Yes. Just like people die from the flu for the economy every year. Fascinating how flu deaths have declined so drastically this past flu season, eh? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Korea never went into full lockdown either, just one city. They just reacted quickly: the people, the authorities and even companies, they all took it seriously early on. I live in Seoul, which had direct flights with Wuhan and things are getting back to normal, we had less than 15 new cases today.
Meanwhile, my homeland Spain is 1 month under severe lockdown because they not only failed to do social distancing early on, but the Government was actually encouraging the people to join mass demonstrations in March 8th.People in Spain were making jokes and repeating it's the flu until it was too late and they had no other choice than locking down everybody. 21,000 deaths in Spain vs 200 deaths in Korea. That's the difference it makes a quick reaction.
the swedish government are manipulating the media trying to keep Sweden's people oblivious to this deadly disease it will be at their peril RIP Sweden
The Korean government and the scientists there are wise enough to be trusted. I cannot say the same about Sweden. It has the worse government I have ever heard about and the number of death in Sweden is extremely high compared to Germany or South Korea.
matthew sikora. Thank God that the our government is manipulating the media! There is only one true opinion and that is the word of our prime minister Steffe!
@@dux2508 Ha ha ha...I guess you have a very good sense of humor....I believe that is one way to look at it. I would,
however tell Steffe to find another job and find a better suitable man to deal with the Coronavirus crisis. He is definitely not seeing the seriousness of the death toll.
Thoughts and prayers to all in Spain from the UK. We are going through an awful time as well.
I appreciate the video, and perspective. I believe Sweden has taken the correct approach as they do with many issues.
However the US political system is used as a tool to make money through government bailouts for the banks, politicians and all the big corporate conglomerates. As the saying goes in Washington “never waste a crisis.” Fortunes are being made for the few while financial ruin is happening to the many.
drop that mic and let them know............
Sweden's neighboring countries: *Finland* has had *325* deaths from the virus to date. *Norway* has *242* virus deaths to date. *Sweden* has *4,875* deaths as of today. That approach is *not a success* if you measure it in peoples lives. Where in Europe do people traveling go if they are forced to quarantine for a couple weeks before interacting with others because of this pesky virus? Sweden of course! You don’t have to take any of those annoying measures to prevent the spread of virus there and only four or five thousand more people died there because of that. Not a big deal in Sweden apparently.
Swedish death rates are high because of the "right wing" politics with the former governement. They privatized a big part of the elderly care and when profit is more important than care you deconstruct the organisation of the care system... for exampl 1 (one) nurse for every 50 patients. That is what happened in Sweden, that is why 80% of people dying are the old ones living in elderly homes. The measures the current governement has taken are the right ones for Sweden....and there are still people who fight for their right to visit grandma in the elderly care..... STockholm whos is politically run by the right wing has most of the elderly care outsourced to private companies, and also the highest death rates. Ooohh I could go on about how the former Swedish society has been deorganized and how this is affecting us.
I like your approach and I like your video - common sense has to rule and I have to take personal responsability for not spreading the virus.
I agree with what Sweden did. America should not have shutdown their economy.
If US did not shut down society they would have 500k deaths not 70k
Economy can always revive, dead people can't.
I think Swedens approach is right...for Sweden. It´s a relatively big country with only 10 million people. No doubt there are areas of America in the mid thats similar where similar measures would be appropriate. But in a city like New York with a population almost the same as the entire country of Sweden, well obviously it make sense to have different measures in such a densely populated area.
shutting down is slow suicide, unfortunately Singapore isn't any wiser.
it all comes down to who's running the country, US has their CLOWN trump and Singapore our Mr. Lee!
Every country will do this eventually. They just started earlier and didn't ruin their economy. They won't have much of a second wave. I mostly agree with you guys.
Scott Sabre the problem is that people in Sweden are not entitled, selfish and ignorant like Americans.
@@marialacona ouch!
@@marialacona well I have to say that many Swedes on the websites sound pretty entitled, selfish and ignorant. The decision not to lock the country down and protect the vulnerable people in your country speaks to me of those attitudes. The dancing in nightclubs, ignoring social distancing, going to work in resthome's while infected, and singling out the people who are most at risk from the virus and expecting them to stop living freely while the healthy party and go to work, sounds pretty damned selfish to me. I am not American. The politic's is outrageous there. I think there is a lot of politic's in Sweden too. So I barely think you are in a position to judge other countries. Oh wait - you do have your economy and money still. It would pay to stay humble though because you scarified peoples lives for it. While other countries were too late in locking down their countries, so the virus spread, at least they realised there mistake when people started dying in large numbers and changed what they were doing. It just wasn't worth killing people over the economy.
@@lulunz6809 It was point out in the video that clubs are actually closed. People who claim that are open minded and not selfish are simply people who doesn't know them self . I want to survive therefore I am selfish . Herd immunity is a logical measure which make sense to people who aren't sheep. Your so called correctly taken lock down will kill actually more people than the virus. Neglected old people with chronic deceases . People with no income will end their lives . Delayed diagnoses . Low immunity for the luck of sun and avoiding walks. Herd immunity will help the virus to die away and meanwhile would be easier for the anyway corrupted medical system to look after the old people who are at risk .
You the so called responsible and mature person and unfortunately the majority of people around the world actually don't give a f..k for the destroyed lives of people including mine.
@@dragomirpetrov6469 there is income support here and in Sweden for people who do lose their jobs. Neglected elderly will die whether there is a lockdown or not because that is about how well the country cares for their elderly at any time. If it the normal to care for your elderly in your country then it should happen even more if it is known that more will be isolated due to the virus. Right now in Sweden how will you know who is isolating and who isn't? Herd immunity is a fallacy. Nobody knows how long immunity will last. Even the Flu vaccine weakens after six months and how long has that been around for? The medical system in Sweden isn't caring for the elderly in hospital now are they? There is nothing wrong with wanting to survive at all. There is a difference between self preservation and protecting yourself at others expense. When people protect themselves then the ongoing affect is that it will protect others when it comes to infectious illnesses. You news reported that they have had to send in the police to nightclubs and restaurants that weren't following the guidelines this week. Also the information I have is not from the media alone. I know people living there who said nothing much had changed where they live.
I extremely grateful that Sweden is doing this - this is the only way we’re going to get real data.
I agree try it.
You're grateful for a country treating their people as Guinea pigs? So kind of you ...
We'll get data from a cold country from Sweden, from a tropical country from Brazil, and from a country with multiple seasons from the US. We'll definitely have a lot of poor guinea pigs to examine... So good of their governments to volunteer them.
In New Zealand we had 100 days covid 19 free, opened borders to citizens only and today have 4 new cases, our Prime Minister is tracing the source and everyone in contact will isolate 14 days, so here the lockdown worked perfectly , only the opening of borders that messed it up, but i believe we have to go through with the virus to get antibodies., we really have a wonderful Prime Minister.
In Coasta Rica- it’s extreme. Closed borders, driving restrictions, closed businesses, prohibited to go to the beach or swim or surf. Even in areas that are completely virus free. I completely agree with you, people will react in a frenzy to socialize after being shut away. Take precautions- let the healthy be on about there business. The poor here are suffering greatly from this.
adventuringgoddess thanks for posting. that’s sad to hear. We are looking to move there in a few years from SC. An Instagram post from Costa Rica said the police were helping the poor.
The Holistic Chick I’m not sure what is propoganda and what’s real there is a lot of false news that emphasizes what the giver wants people to think. The government has been distributing food to houses with kids in public school here. And a lot of grocery stores have a table where private citizens can buy and leave food for donation for those in need. I don’t know what devision of police where implicated in helping people or where in Coasta Rica. I only know of what’s going on in my area. And what I’ve seen is police fining people heavily for being at the beach, impounding vehicles or big fines for driving on days your not allowed or after curfew. In general the division of regular patrol police has been helpful. And the devision of traffic police has not. It’s complicated. Don’t let this detour you from moving here. But the socialistic and napolitanistic law system here is very complicated. It’s good to do a lot of research into the laws, and police system here, to make sure your prepared. :) hope this is helpful
The Holistic Chick I’m not sure what is propoganda and what’s real there is a lot of false news that emphasizes what the giver wants people to think. The government has been distributing food to houses with kids in public school here. And a lot of grocery stores have a table where private citizens can buy and leave food for donation for those in need. I don’t know what devision of police where implicated in helping people or where in Coasta Rica. I only know of what’s going on in my area. And what I’ve seen is police fining people heavily for being at the beach, impounding vehicles or big fines for driving on days your not allowed or after curfew. In general the division of regular patrol police has been helpful. And the devision of traffic police has not. It’s complicated. Don’t let this detour you from moving here. But the socialistic and napolitanistic law system here is very complicated. It’s good to do a lot of research into the laws, and police system here, to make sure your prepared. :) hope this is helpful
A lot of Central and South American countries are using COVID to show off power and abuse. I live in the USA now but I am from Cuba. Cuba is for sure exercising more control and fear towards their citizens.
adventuringgoddess thank you! That is helpful. We will be visiting in a few months and will be looking at Alegria Village in San Mateo. Costa Rica definitely markets itself differently than what you have told me. Thank you again 🙏🏻
"Because there's no corruption in our government...". Oh to be young and naive!
If there is any government in the world with no corruption, it’s Sweden’s. Any person can at any time read every single decision ever made by the government, by simply entering their website.
@@Bynasf You're more ignorant than these two, and happy to flaunt it no less.
Lebowski what I’m telling you are facts. If you don’t want to accept them, I’m not the idiot here.
Tell me more about your extensive studies on Swedish Government.
Please tell me what Happened to Mona Sahlin and her "Toblerone" affairs.
Im waiting.
@@yesyouarecorrectbutthe ones who should be putting up evidence is the once suggesting things. So show us the prof of corruption regarding your case. Im waiting....
I fell that any intelligent American agreed with Sweden from the start.
But now the face masks & fear reveal that there re very few intelligent Americans.
@@vick7172 What makes you so intelligent.
I certainly agree with the Swedish way...
Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Japan >>> Europe, Sweden
”The healthcare system is not at capacity”
That did not age well
Our healthcare system is at capacity, and we vaccinated the most people in europe (hungary) and have lockdown,
Probably lockdowns had negligible effect.
@@jacintfodor1296 That is a very poor analysis of the effects of lockdowns lol. If you look at data trends, lockdowns absolutely have a massive effect. Whether they prevent a healthcare system from getting to capacity or not at any place in the world depends on many factors, from when the lockdowns started, how strict they were, how long they lasted, the surrounding culture of the area, the strength of the healthcare system in that area, etc. etc.
@@GrayOlson u can cherry pick countries who did better or worse than sweden, I meant that with probably negligible effect.
If sweden did exponentially worse compared to countries with lockdowns. then I would say lockdowns was 100% effective.
the order of magnitude is around the same in sweden compared to other countries.
Flattening the curve by lockdowns, implicates that casualty should be exponentially lower.
Not to mention (in my country cannot say for others) early store closes, cramped people in stores very close together. that methodology probably catalyzed covid spreading, instead of preventing.
now that our government started extending the curfew, there are far less people in stores at the same time.
TLDR,
1 hungary and italy did worse than sweden,
2 while denmark did better.
possible explanation for the 1st, is both italy and hungary underfunded their healthcare system.
@@jacintfodor1296 That's bs, in many countries they managed the pandemic so much better than Sweden if you keep denying that you are just in denial
@@zarzamora9240 if that's bs is your strongest argument, I'm sad. You clearly did not even read my last comment.
Fantastic. We are still in full lockdown in South Africa, and it seems its more a power trip than anything else. Some of the regulations are just a joke.
Follow the few who act against joke regulations.
It‘s a power trip everywhere. Best wishes from Austria
Yeh it’s a Game the Soulless play .We are in the game but not playing!!!
It’s all about the NWO and planed since a long time 🤬
Same here in the “divided states”
LaRica Grant The DSA...? 🙃
I live in Sweden but have 2 daughters - in London and Johannesburg South Africa - so it's interesting to see different containment policies.
I would absolutely love Sweden's policy to work for the very reason that we will hopefully escape the worst of the inevitable economic fallout, which (don't fool yourselves) IS coming. We are a global community. Sweden does not stand alone.
In Sweden most of the reason we can operate a self-enforcement social distancing policy is because:
1) Swedish people are generally respectful and considerate of others (unlike in South Africa for example)
2) Some 50% of Swedes live alone, so self-isolation is a permanent state for many and involves few changes for a 'critical mass portion' of the population.
3) the elderly who most need help were already being supported on a spectrum of living situations and services (hem tjänst - home services, etc), so they are able to easily stay out of harms way. The infrastructure for that is 'normal practice'.
4) Sweden's healthcare system is phenomenal and people for the most part just have to call their local clinic & they will get help - often at home in the instance of 'boendestödgrupp'.
This all helps to keep the most frail out of harm's way.
However, Herd Immunity (whilst I hope it works in Sweden) would be tantamount to genocide or at best a human rights abuse in places such as Africa, any poor communities who have uneducated, undernourished or medically/immune challenged individuals with HIV AIDS, TB, Hepatitis, poor access to fresh water, high density living conditions, high density transport situations in 1st World big cities, etc.
My 28 year old, fit daughter got COVID-19 in London - probably commuting on the underground past Canary Wharf which had 1 reported case at the time. She was so ill with the fever that within 3 hours she couldn't have moved to speak let alone call an ambulance. She shot off a WhatsApp to me saying "Mom, I'm scared". I work 24 Hr shifts so only got back to her after that. Now, she is a strapping, strong Viking of a young woman, but at 28 she could very nearly have died within 3 hours of the fever hitting.
The fever came and went for 3 weeks. The tiredness from liver damage would knock her out for 6 hours a day. She continued to work at night and held onto her job from sheer force of will. She is better now and running short distances again, but...
DO NOT BE FOOLED YOUNG PEOPLE...
This is a killer virus. It CAN kill you.
You won't necessarily be immune afterwards.
Protect the people in the public.... just because you don't feel sick does not mean you aren't infecting other people in shops, on buses, in restaurants, pubs, just walking down the street FOR UP TO 3 DAYS AFTER you just so happened to touch something or cough.
ALL THE EVIDENCE shows:
- 2m social distancing isn't enough
- it hangs around in the air far longer than we think
- it is more virulent than we'd like to believe
- the after effects are severe and can take months to recover from or leave you PERMANENTLY with weak heart, lungs, liver, etc.
Swedes are putting themselves and their whole communities at risk. Just because you have 6 months of winter & it's nice outside is a selfish narcissistic way of thinking just to get together, have a grill, go to a pub, etc.
How did you spend Påsk? (Easter) I know many people who had a grill with family and friends and then went on to work in vård & omsorg (health and welfare) the next week. Then we wonder why 2-3 weeks after we get a spike in cases of COVID-19.…
NOT COOL, Swedes.....
Look after each other, strangers you will never meet included.
Thanks
Lorna Long Thank you for taking the time to write this this thorough, thoughtful, sensible comment. Well wishes to your recovering daughter.
The lockdown is only delaying the inevitable most people will get this, this is the new era of seasonal flus. The key is to have a solid immune system which no one is talking about, ha imagine that. #quitsmoking
Thank you Lady
Brigita Larsen
Thank you so much.
She is back to her old self, almost, 6 weeks after she contracted it.
I think she was very lucky - but she was very fit and healthy
Greetings from Johannesburg. My children are in Stolkholm.
Hi! In Austria the situation is positive and we are back to school.
That's awesome news,
It's not. We have stupid rules that try to control the daily business and people hate to go anywhere else than outside generally, because of insane regulations: masks in supermarket, also when leaving or entering restaurants, but not while sitting there. ome swimming place doesnt allow you to the water, the other does, but doesnt allow you to the beach and meadow around it.
there's tons of examples and it's just awful, also for school kids.
Same in New Zealand. Bars opened yesterday and taking the kids to the movies today. 2 months lock down eliminated the virus and now life back to normal except 14 day quarantine for all people entering the country. 21 dead out of 5m population.
@@MrHoneHeke New Zealand handled the situation amazingly. I wish it could have been like that in the U.S.
@@xxxblackvenomxxx what is awful about it? It seems to have worked perfectly.
I stopped watching when you said: “There's zero corruption in the government.“ You are living in your utopia.
me too
Obviously their government is better than most, equally obvious that all people are subject to corruption and it takes a vigilant populace to maintain integrity in governments. Having said that if your feeling that everything is corrupt do research on Bhutan where the government is actually remarkably sane.Human goodness is possible.
Compared to USA and Trump, yes there are no corruption.
Actually Sweden is only one of the few countries in the World that pratices a Direct Democracy. Everyone else in the world is soley bent on a Representative Democracy. This is why there is never ending corruption in the US, China, Russia (although not as bad), North Korea, Crimea, etc
Plus the fact that the actual gun owners in Sweden are trained in gun use before permitts and licensure are issued and are given a mental health check evaluation before permits and certificates are actually issued out. In the US everyone is given a gun and given little to no training.
Huge difference, Sweden has free healthcare and their younger populations is much healthier than the US. Here in the states, health care is expensive and there are so many young people suffer from High Blood Pressure, Diabetes, Obesity, Asthma, are immune compromised by envirinmental pollution, etc. So you can't compare apples and oranges. Maybe of us had free healthcare and its citizens were in better health it would be a different story.
Another comment from someone who doesnt understand that USA HEALTH CARE WAS the best and doctors came from all around the world to train.
No PERSON could ever be refused treatment, it was freely available until REAGAN and his TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMIC PLAN and then OBAMA AND CORPORATE GREED GOT INVOLVED.
When we were a REPUBLIC, EVERYONE WANTED TO BE AMERICAN.
Then COMMUNISTS infiltrated the Left entirely, murdered JFK, and have darn near a foothold in the right.
And people like you cheer on Socialism when a REPUBLIC IS THE ONLY FORM OF GOVERNANCE that allows a free people and truly cares about the welfare of people.
We need to restore the Republic!
A SOCIALIST FREE HEALTHCARE offers sub par care! No GREAT DOCTOR wants to work for pennies after going to school for 16 yrs that his family PAID $500K FOR!
Maybe that's why Swedish people die like flies!? Compare their numbers with Norway and Denmark and stop crapping here please!
@@taunteratwill1787 What@!?.
Omg pathetic shill....
@@Shyeena It's always amusing to see that the people that does not know what they're talking about and don't even understand that they don't know what they're talking about always is the ones who gets all upset claiming other people doesn't know what they're talking about and that they most certainly do!
In Sweden we value education and it's every citizens right to be able to get a good education. We do not believe that schools should profit from the education they provide. In Sweden, to provide the education for one person, to study and become a doctor costs 129k us dollars.
If you would like to have a educated discussion about all that you wrote about based on facts, and not tweets from Trump, you are welcome to Sweden where you can afford a education for your self!
Power is not knowledge!
"Knowledge is power!"
Have a nice day Shieena!
@@Shyeena Wow! In 1981 I was in the US for 3 months. Talking to post grads and post docs I found out that they all had health care in their grants. When asked about the poor, unemployed or indigent getting medical treatment there were blank looks. No one knew who treated sick people from these groups. I would hope things have changed since then.
In my limited experience medical persons in the US are the same as all over the world - good ones and not so good ones.
Hearing from alot of the people working in health care I wouldn't say we should just take it easy and get infected. The availability of PPE is dangerously low, they're building extra temporary ICUs cause we were already having trouble taking care of people who needed it before Corona came along, fast training more health care personnel cause the one we have were already struggling long before cause there's not enough people in the health care system. Not long ago they announced that some people won't get intensive care cause we can't give it to everyone who needs it, not enough resources. For example those expected to live less than 6-12 months if they get well will most likely not get intensive care.
Which is no surprise since our health care system has been struggling for years. Which is the reason I isolate as much as possible now. To not burden the health care system even more.
And what happens if most of the health care personnel gets sick? Even if they're fine they have to be home for 2 weeks. It's alot if these things that I feel that most people in Sweden doesn't take seriously. Maybe they haven't needed to seek medical attention so they don't know how bad the system is. Or they think it's going to be fine cause they probably won't get badly ill.
Why I think a stricter isolation should be in place for 1-2 months is to give scientists a chance to know more.
A chance to develop and ship faster testing kits. And to get a chance to stock up on PPE and not kill our already overworked health care angles even more. Give the people in fast training a chance to enter the health care system. Before lifting the isolation one small step at a time.
Isolation and avoiding the spread of it is (besides the obvious to not risk killing anyone) more out of respect for the people working in health care. To not create even more work for them and adding to their already insane work schedule.
And this chill attitude most Swedes have I think will put alot of people at unnecessary risk. That could have been prevented. And it will make people like me fighting health issues since before not being able to get much help cause there's not enough people working in health care to take care of us all at the same time.
But like you say, we won't know what the right thing to do was until maybe next year. I just think it's better to be extra careful instead of taking risks in a time like this. I'd rather look back and say "Oh I was overly cautious" than feel "I didn't take that seriously enough and people died because of it". That's my logic in all this.
@Miranda Hrst our country is run by clueless fools
Omg, it would cripple us here if we did this in Canada. We need to do something to start our economy again, but we can't just treat it like Sweden is. Our people are too much like Americans.
@@JBond-zf4dj I think how my logic works is never mind the money, care about people instead. And we can deal with the money and economy later. I understand that the economy is really complicated and I'm really simplyfying it. But at the end of the day also worrying about the economy becomes money or people. Atleast in my head. And I've never understood the concept and importance of money. And I've always wanted it gone so I'm probably as partial as the people wanting to keep money in the world. I just think people's wellness is more important.
I agree with all your points. I’m in California and we’re on a moderate lockdown, where what is considered “essential services,” and allowed to function, is interpreted pretty liberally. Our hospitals are under capacity and we seem to have everything we need to handle more cases of the virus, except tests, which is very frustrating.
I fully agree with you. I am not a Health professional, but I've studied the basics of Medicine and I find it strange "to say the least" that people are blindingly doing as if they can simply ignore the high risks and implications of the Swedish minister's approach.
In USA it's always "How can we make money on this?" Even for this pandemic (PPE, ventilators, empty and little-used field hospitals, etc.). This has been an exercise in totalitarian control and is doing long-term socio-economic harm.-a New Yorker
Stephen Van Woert Yup. Forget about the greater good, it’s all about the greatest profit!
How do you justify that as of early July Sweden has 9 times the number of deaths as Denmark and 22 times compared to Norway? Traveling to Sweden is considered dangerous by other European countries and traveling from Sweden is severely restricted. Any thoughts on how that will impact your economy?
When my wife and I speak to people, it seems like the majority thinks this has been blown way out of Proportion. We go on with our lives while others we know live in complete fear 24/7
It has been blown way out of proportion.
I'm in the States and in my city of 2.5 million there are just 30 cases in the hospital, in other words very low ratio. You hear almost nothing about other causes of death because Medicare is paying the hospitals a lot of money if someone is diagnosed as being treated for coronovirus, and a huge amount if ventilated. So, who knows what the true numbers are. The the majority of a healthy population are being quarantined, and that is insane.
I agree too - it’s insane
@@salan3507 They are incentivizing reporting a death as covid, which is wide open for corruption, esp. if it's an underfunded hospital. What's worse yet, is that they give more money if they ventilate a supposed covid patient. This greatly increases the cause of death, as some brave doctors have tried to warn that the few severe cases of covid where the patient does experience severe respiratory distress are almost ensured to die if put on a ventilator. If they are at that critical point, their lungs are too delicate to take the pressure a ventilator puts the patient's lungs under, and therefore the death rate is much higher.
@@summer20105707 the whole world is in lockdown that is why the figures are low. Sweden is low because other countries are in lockdown around u. Open it up again and figures will go sky high. How do people not get this.
"you're not flattening the curve, your shifting the curve"
All I hear from my sister is moan moan and whinge about having her kids at home all day and home schooling them. She won’t go out or let them go outside for a walk an hours walk because she’s so paranoid about it and she’s one of the very lucky ones who doesn’t have to work and her husband earns enough and is a key worker so they are losing an income.
Not so sure THAT is completely true. The MORE people that are treated during the first few months, will lesson the size of the spike later on. You're probably right that when the US "goes back to work" the number of cases MAY rise again. BUT the previous "batch" that have already been treated will not help pump up the numbers for the new one.
I quote my ICU physician friend in Gothenburg:
The health care system here in Sweden is totally overburdened now. The doctors and nurses are protesting, working overtime week after week, tired, desperate. 3,5 times more deaths here per capita than in Germany.
This was recorded mid-April, so to your point of your physician friend perhaps the cases have increased in the past 3 weeks?
@@LancsLass623 indeed. I was aware of the time sensitive nature of your recording. Still, i'm glad you recorded. Many folks think Sweden is doing nothing. Not true. I think even your Health Minister regretted not addressing your senior nursing homes sooner. It'll be interesting to see where all the numbers fall, say in a year. Best wishes.
so now June 13 most Nordic countries are reopening and they are not open to Sweden and Sweden is now complaining
I'm Swedish and I think they are doing the right thing in refusing swedes to come. I understand and support it in fact. This is the result, this is what happens. And it's a little bit of karma too and I like karma 😏
@@jj2220 I agree that it is the right thing, but not because it's Karma. It's common sense, per herd immunity, many Swedes are now carriers; in particular, those that were asymptomatic and don't even know they had the virus. They would just spread the disease at this point, scientifically speaking. America should have just quarantined those at high risk, with high suggestions to those with compromised immune systems and preexisting pulmonary conditions and then let Cv run it's natural course. We would have faired much better imho.
@@bigdoggstatus99 It is actually stupid. Swedish people are now mostly immune to it, they had the wave, and they dealt with it, and they saved a lot of jobs (and people) with that action. This, while many other countries are actively keeping themselves weak for it and try to boost death-rates any way possible to prove their right. Of course EU countries block Sweden, they only benefit from spreading fear, it's called divide and conquer. Media is giantly benefiting from it, say they make it as bad as possible.
@@Helyzz82
So you haven't been watching the news that tell the Swedes hsve no large scale immunity whatsoever and that the Swedish economy was hit about as badly as everyone else. Another Swedish state propaganda victim it seems.
Keep inside your borders, and don't go outside igniting a European second wave with your first wave.
@@FINNSTIGAT0R it sounds weird that our economy was as negatively affected as all other countries, idk you may be correct but it just sounds incorrect to me... I mean sure we have absolutely been negatively affected 100% but not as much as others... Or maybe i'm wrong and that's okay.
There is something that doesn’t feel right about all of this. Can’t wait for it to completely surface to the world.
UA-cam and research Dr. Ivette Lozano
Yes. Does the truth have legs though? I often wonder that after all the lies and waiting for the truth to come out about other things. I'm starting to think even though it SHOULD have the tendency to boil to the surface, it's not, or even if it does, nobody cares.
Absolutely. Search Angry foreigner's channel, he has swedish whistleblower doctors showing how the government guideline is to give morphine to elderly and let them die, and deny them even the most basic oxygen supply. Sweden would make Hitler proud.
I’ve spoken to my friend, a Swedish native, and what these two are saying is NOT what she’s telling me. People are dying by the the thousands
Swedes don't care if their elderly die. That's the real truth.
The context matters. What is ok in Sweden may not be good in other countries. I know Sweden, Spain and Italy well. Different cultures and life standard. I was only saying that the situation in the country matters regarding what way is save. Sweden is not comparable in any way to Italy or Spain regarding health care capacity. In Sweden half of the population lives alone. In Italy it is norm that many people at all ages live together. Sweden culture is natural behavior to maintain "social distance" it is part of the culture.
The excellent health care system has the capacity and has been able to cope with the number of people getting infected with the way they are doing things. In Italy the health care system was completely overwhelmed and doctors had to choose between patients even decide to take 60 year old of ventilator to save 40 year old because they did not have resources to treat all the patients that got sick at the same time.
I live in Iceland, there is no lock down and the health care system has not been overwhelmed. If people take the method out of context they are not seeing the whole picture. In Iceland we have eradicated Covid by testing more than 10% of the population both via sick and randomly. Everybody positive or sick even the ones that stay home without test are contact traced by a massive tracing team . Everybody in the least danger of having gotten the virus goes in to isolation + the ones that self isolate. Large part of Icelanders have downloaded a tracing app to make it easy to contact trace in the future. It works. Nothing mandatory , only common sense and will to protect the population at risk
In Sweden a family gathering of 10 persons means it's Christmas. In Cyprus is just a casual Sunday
Exactly. It means that the European Union doesn´t make any sense. At the end of a day every country will protect its interests.
Dins D Stockholmers are meeting up with friends, not their families. It doesn’t matter if you meet 4 or 6 or 8 or 12 people, if there is 1 person with the virus. Many Swedes are hugginh their friends and coworkers and casual acquaintances more often than their parents. Perhaps they don’t give the virus to the older members of their families, but IT’S SPREADING.
Actually, Sweden has one of the lowest ICU bed per capita in Europe. Yet, they are holding up just fine.
You neglected to include that Italy and other countries have mandatory vaccinations. That is what all those poor doctors died from. We are screwing with our immune systems, eat garbage, unhealthy biomes, etc. Perfect recipe. Then the higher=ups find a good excuse to take over: Stay home. Worst strategy ever.
Taiwan is back to normal. There is no delayed spike. And it's crowded AF there.
We are told otherwise in our media, I would love to have some real sources. I think they'll use the "second spike story" to prolong even longer the quarentine. What channel should I follow, that u think it's trustworthy to know what's happening in Taiwan?
Glad to hear you're doing ok!
People in US (and some in Australia too) complain about having to wear masks in public whereas it’s automatic and normal in countries like Taiwan.
Nicolás Cristi Full of scepticism aren’t ya mate. You have to think positive or just give up.
@@ozdevilman2000 not at all, he's asking for info about a reliable source of info, because his media says otherwise re: taiwan, which I understand is the best in the world so far.
@@nicolascristi6303 China in Focus NTD seems to be realiable although they have a bias against the CCP, but I think it's healthy in this case.
I have not found a single reliable source for news and have been trying to view multiple sources and make up my own mind what is really going on. It's almost a way of life these days. We are overdue for a REAL news source that has no bias, and just gives us the facts.
I'm a swedish living in Norway, and what you are talking about should be leaved to the experts. What way each country choose it is up to them. We've had a lockdown which worked out great in my point of view. How this will end should not be speculated on youtube..
I agree with Sweden, here in the states they’re doing it wrong!
And the swedish death rate is the highest in all of northern europe. Obviously what they are doing isn't working.
@ Sorry, but this is completely incorrect. They are taking the full force of the Chinese Communist Party Virus head on. The fact they don't have the highest death rate speaks volumes and shows you they are doing things the right way. They trust the people to be smart. Within weeks, the deaths will decrease dramatically (which they currently are) as they will have crossed the herd immunity threshold and will not incur any second wave. It's actually brilliant and what many people thought months ago. But most countries have power hungry career politicians that only care about being re-elected.
@@FunkyBobFett Sweden has 10x the death rate of Finland and Norway.
@@reactor4 we will only know if Sweden decided to do it the right way once the second wave hits. If we think critically about it, the deaths that hit Sweden now, could be the ones that hit Finland and Norway later. Flattening the curve doesnt reduce deaths UNLESS it prevents hospitals from being overrun (or we wait a year or so for a POTENTIAL vaccine). Sweden won't have the problem of a second wave, theoretically. We do have to wait and see though.
@Allison Marie more than half of these deaths were in nursing homes. What we learn from this, is that we need to enforce better policies for controlling the spread in our nursing homes. The data in the US also suggests this.
I live in Sweden and I do exactly as your brother, cleaning my groceries:)
Yes, important to know where the risks are. Movement on the continent is controlled much better.
🤣 my shoes is broken,because I showered them every time I came home from outside the house
I live on Guam as USA territory and I also clean everything i buy from the grocery store. I don't wear my shoes in the house so it can disinfect outside the house and I change the clothes I wore put them on a towel then take them and immediately put them in the washer and dryer. Then I take a hot shower. Because I live with 3 senior citizens all past the age of 60. If I wasn't living with these people I'd be outside on the trails and parks enjoying my free time.
cleaning yr bread and meat and tomato sauce and going to eat out at fast food or other restaurant? what happens if any of the people who touched yr bread with gloves and virus on it or sneezed or coughed over yr food before they wrapped it in the plastic foil. yr eating what's inside, not the wrapping I hope
Because you have common sense! ❤️ Did they even read with the symptoms of this virus are? It’s not like you get the sniffles and that’s it. Even if you do survive, it’s horrible!
Today 185 deaths in Sweden. In Norway 1 death.
Was for several days. The numbers was a bit to low the last days, now they are more correct. But very good for Norway. But I think the Swedish way of doing it actually is the only way in the long run - if not a vaccine appears in a month or so.
The hospitals dont admit anybody with corona virus who has more than one underlying condition...It is not worth to waste health care on them
55555 no Sweden doesn’t have only 15k infected. For many weeks they only tested the people that had such severe symptoms that they had to receive medical care. Now when they have more supplies they have increased testing.
However,
11 out of 100 people in Stockholm have tested positive for antibodies. (Think they tested last week but not sure).
Weeks ago, Folkhälsomyndigheten said that we could expect that over 100 000 people were already infected. And that it is not impossible that the number were closer to 1 million
@55555 You have to check how every country counts before just trusting the numbers. I think New York Times made a survey on reported deaths an average year compared to this year. Most countries had way much higher deaths this year, Sweden is just a little over an average year... (Marsh was even below an average year. April will not be, but not extremely much higher as in many other countries.)
what you need to keep in mind is that Sweden does not test a lot of people. Only those working in healthcare and people within the risk groups. It is expected to be over 600k in just Stockholm. Although the deaths is pretty high, almost 200 dead per 1 million inhabitants
Exactly my thoughts from the beginning. The lockdown was a stupidity. I still see people jogging and with masks on... ridiculous and dangerous!
It is NOT dangerous to job with a mask on.
Whenever I see a person alone outside with a mask on I actually laugh. They have bought the messge of panic to the point that they are protecting themselves from themselves I guess?!?
@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup When you see people outside wearing masks, you should know that they are trying to protect YOU.
Elsa Chiao I get that and wear a mask myself but all the same if you are alone outside you most definitely do not need a mask. I will repeat myself who are you afraid of? Yourself? Long story short common sense is far from common.
@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup We've been told in Australia to carry a mask on you in case you meet someone, but otherwise your cool.
I like Mark Twain's quote, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Sweden's death rate is a more honest reflection of the virus death toll. Statistics play the odds, like scientific formula's. It doesn't actually tell us anything useful about the virus. I envy Sweden's approach. It's honest with the handling of the virus, in all it's confronting unpleasantness. While other countries (including my own) pretend they can control it through a mythical vaccine, at some point in the future. They've never successfully developed a vaccine for coronavirus. SARS, 17 years ago - still nadda vaccine. Yet part of the same virus family.
Ummm, it is not about controlling anything except preventing the healthcare system from being overwhelmed so people who need care will get access to it. 70% of the population will get the virus - the question is how fast will that happen? Over 2-3 years with careful measures, or over a few months without is the projection. Some countries - like yours, apparently - chose the former, while some others are banking on the latter not killing too many. Time (and knowing eventual death tolls) will only tell if the latter is a crime against humanity or an intelligent thing such as 'honest handling of a virus'.
@@hulas1988 In Australia, medical officials were advising lock-down measures as permanent (in some form) until a vaccine was developed. So it's very much part of Australia's plan in controlling the spread. Also check your source of information, for projections about overwhelming the health care system. The estimates being used, came from a college paper which was not peer reviewed. Nor did the papers estimates, take into consideration, the hospitals ability to triple capacity to care for patients. Add in the 80% false positives for initial testing, and there is absolutely no verifiable evidence, to base decisions from.
Sweden has the most lenient lock-down measures in place, and their hospital services are not being over-run. That's what I mean about an honest reflection, of the virus influence over death rates. It's not being overshadowed by inflated numbers. The hospitals aren't collapsing, nor are the death rates doing any worse than a bad influenza year. They are now starting to flatten the curve, while several of their European neighbours are overtaking them, on deaths per capita.
I agree, no policy can be deemed successful until the virus has run it's course, and final tallies done. But at this point, Sweden isn't following the unsubstantiated estimates, the rest of the world said would bring everything undone.
@@Christodophilus I am writing from the USA where the hospital system is overwhelmed in major city hubs. I have not only seen studies but also multiple sources of documentary evidence. As you invited me, I also invite you to check evidence. However, while it is true that Sweden's curve is nominally flattening, there is a lack of official data as there is a lack of testing, as well.
Additionally, Sweden has a homogenous country with high overall prosperity, meaning most have access to good care. This would not hold for the USA or the aborigines of Australia, who suffer from structural violence and who would be disproportionately affected vis-a-vis access to good healthcare.
Swedish model is less replicable than New Zealand or Taiwan models (yes, I know both are islands) - and was replicated in Colombia where both spread and deaths were kept to a minimum. Unlike Sweden, which sacrificed a ridiculous amount of people per capita to get to flatten the curve.
I'm thinking better models should be followed instead - as evidence suggests.
@@Christodophilus people still die after being vaccinated relying on that is stupid.
@@hulas1988 Which hospitals have been "overwhelmed"? The only overwhelmed hospitals ever shown on news reports were Italian hospitals standing in for New York hospitals which weren't dramatic enough for the media.
Wish I was in Sweden now.
Our economy is being flattened.
I live in the Netherlands
@Floor van Donkelaar I totally agree, wish the best to Sweden and Netherlands of course but I think this approach needs to be measured in the long run and it cannot be applied everywhere. Greetings from Costa Rica.
I'm from Germany and I'm convinced that the swedish way is much more sensible than ours!
In Germany elderly people and people with some chronic diseases can feel relatively safe. That's not the case in Sweden where lots of people at risk are dying every day. Comparing numbers, if Sweden had 82 millions inhabitants like Germany, they would have already 23 thousands deaths due to Covid-19. I do not see how the Swedish way is more sensible than the German one.
I would be interested to know how Germany's policy differs from Sweden's and why you don't approve of it. Simply judging by the number of deaths Germany has been much more successful than Sweden, let alone most other European countries. I haven't heard much news about Germany's response, your perspective would be interesting. Preventing death above all else seems to me to be the benchmark against which any public health response should be measured and in that respect by European standards at least Germany seems to be succeeding.
Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan >>> Europe, Sweden
@@capacitacionyconsultoriaes6319 You should add Thailand to your first list. Population 70 million, only 56 deaths. Also Hong Kong: population 7.5 million, 4 deaths. Countries in Europe and the US should be sending their officials to southeast Asia and asking how they did it.
@@kidlatazul You are so spot-on, Thailand was up to the challenge, whereas "first world" European countries, Russia, USA were exposed
Thank you guys for making this video. In case people attack you for "not caring about elderly people" let me tell you that my own grandfather died 10 years ago because he caught a virus. We loved him and we miss him and wish he didn't catch a virus but he did. He's immune system couldn't handle it because he was old. This is life, viruses are part of this world and we can't lock down our lives because of it.
The difference between a country with competent informed leaders with strong social bonds, and a country whose entire, entire political class is corrupt, criminal and utterly incompetent.
There is a visible phenomenon across Europe: governments don´t like their own nations. They don´t trust them and work intensively on the population exchange. Evidence? The governments hypocrisy about referendums. What if it was showed up that people wanted absolutely opposite things than their governments? :-)
Peter Paulus Do you mean to say that Sweden is the former?
Tanja Lundén was there the slightest doubt?
Peter Paulus Well... ”competent” and ”informed”, sometimes... one does wonder
Tanja Lundén compared to USA anywhere else ( pretty much anywhere) has better leadership
I live in New Zealand a country of 5 million, today we had 1 new case that was traceable. There have been 1489 cases of which 1332 have recovered, 21 deaths in total and currently 2 people in hospital . We have a great Prime Minister who said go hard and go early so we went into lockdown early for a month and closed the borders . We are slowly getting back to normal now. I feel lucky to live here.
Good for you guys! But you do realize that you need to keep your borders closed or quarantine everyone entering the country for the duration of this pandemic (or maybe even forever), right? It might last two years or more. When all other people of all other countries are immune, then first will you be safe to stop your isolation.
It's quite similar here in Australia, but on a bigger scale. We only got to level 3 lockdown, not level 4 like NZ, but it's gone on for 6 weeks so far, with restrictions easing in stages now.
Your PM is amazing and a lot of people here want her as our PM! 😆
Both of our countries have done well (though Aus was slower to act), and right now in my state, there are only 18 active cases. All the rest have recovered. There haven't been many deaths compared to some other countries, though even one death is one too many. ❤
@@annalundquist7247 quarantine and testing is required now and I think only NZ citizens are the people let in at the moment, but not 100% sure on that detail
Covid19 deaths Norden
Sweden: 3239
Finland: 267
Norway: 219
Danmark: 529
Island: 10
thank you
Unemployment numbers? Numbers from other countries that are higher than Sweden? Domestic violence, suicide, violent crime? Average flu deaths?
If the other countries get back to work again the numbers will go up until there is a vaccine. If everyone wears a mask transmissions will drop dramatically, almost like herd immunity, but it will be superficial. Either there is a vaccine, or people wear masks until there is one or just stay locked up - if none of that happens people will get sick. Just like in past pandemics.
Per capita?
Mark Moennich in Denmark we are gradually opening up our country an so far we haven’t had an uptake in the spread of the virus quite the opposite. The government and the national Health Department are montering it closely. We have widespread testing and are now also starting to roll out a program where you test healthy people for antibodies.
I wish the rest of the world had taken the Scandinavian approach
Living In Saskatchewan Canada, they have closed so many businesses March 17 only essential business are operating with strict guidelines, social distancing , starting May 4 things are starting to reopen slowly, in 4 phases so we will not be fully open until later in the fall, all schools closed down. I agree with Sweden and which we would have had a choice. Our economy will take years to recover. Thank you for sharing your story.
Yup. Here in Ontario dealing with Ford’s bullshit.
So you agree that the old should just be left to die? That's what Sweden did....
Could anyone here explain to me why there are so many more COVID19 deaths in Sweden (2355) than there are in Finland and Norway (199 and 206)?
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Statistically it’s the same small %. Not worth the lockdown.
Anya, Sweden has reported 263 deaths/million inhabitants, Norway and Finland 39 deaths/million. Swedish experts acknowledge that these numbers are highly different. Their bet is that, once lockdown is over, the other Scandinavian countries' death toll will inevitably catch up with Sweden's.
@@alaindumas1824 Oke so they accept that there are having more cases and deaths than if they were proactive. It's a bit different than what is said that the measures would not have an effect.
Jaroen66, The Swedish experts think that the lockdown postpones the inevitable. They made the following assumptions: 1) only herd immunity will stop the virus. 2) herd immunity will not be acquired anytime soon via a vaccine. 3) lockdown is not sustainable. #3 is true. #2 depends on whether Swedes acquire herd immunity before a vaccine is available. #1 will be wrong if SARS-Cov2 behaves like a seasonal virus and becomes much less contagious in the warm months, or if an effective treatment is found.
IMHO This is more a political exercise rather than medical.
150k death is still minimal not a reason to fuck everyone's life
Ding ding ding!
@Tender Vigilante Exactly, and they just use the old poeple as a scapegoat for calling poeple selfish (but its not selfish to take rights and freedom for a "safe" feeling") and if poeple dont wake the fuck up they deserve this totalitarian regime change. A friend of mine works im the hospital and they register EVERYONE as covid patient to inflate the numbers wich are still low.
Im swidish! And it’s good her!
Tell that to the overworked medical workers. Tell them their lost holidays are purely political, that all their dead or dying patients are necessary losses.
I like the relaxed rules but there's no Government that you can completely trust which includes sweden.
All people are fallible so it's a big mistake to completely trust powerful government people.
You cannot say there is zero corruption in the Swedish government, but compared to other countries around the world, the corruption in Sweden is very very low.
But consider what Swedish companies like H&M and Ikea do in Bangladesh- the corruption is just moved around.
My finnish friends told (years ago) a funny joke about swedish do not even talk to each other
I know sweden a lot and i can state that social distance is more common in that culture than many other places
And in this situation it helps a lot
If swedes are already socially distant maybe this would work. However, I am living in Toronto where pre-chronovirus my personal space is invaded all the time. Even when it's avoidable. I don't think our culture in the city of Toronto would do well with their strategy.
I'd probably like it there, especially after cheek-to-jowl NYC (nowadays, being one of those "essential" workers, it's cheek-to-jowl with aggressive, very odoriferous homeless drug addicts who have taken over the subway).
Some of the oldest patients have done OK here through conservative measures (no ventilator use, judicious use of anticoagulants since much of the COVID problems are due to it causing blood clots, use of oxygen and expectorants). Those most adversely affected are those who are or have been smokers, obesity, diabetes, COPD, immuno-compromised people and people with heart disease.
Hey, I'm firm Portugal, our approach was to shut the country, we did it fast, right in the begging when we got like 50 cases, that's why we are being praised by other countries. However the economy is going to be crush. We were just leaving a crisis and now we are going back to one
Hopefully the Swedish approach is good cause in August I'm gonna start my master in Växjö!
Same here in greece
Same here in New Zealand. Our lockdown ends next Monday and we've pretty much eliminated corona from NZ. We've taken a major economic hit but we've frontloaded the damage so hopefully we can restart asap.
In August you will probaly enjoy the herd immunity in many areas. Växjö might be a bit small for that by then though.
We have no new COVID19 cases for 5 days in Vietnam, there's only partially lockdown in our country but about 30 percent of small businesses close down temporarily. The economy is stable and business will resume as usual next week. 😆
@@vikz5786 Hi I have a question. Let say NZ succeed to remove all COIV in your country, whats the plan after that?
I guess COVID will still be around rest of the world? Will you close boarders until we have a vaccin? /J
Sweden had a spectacular, epic fail on their covid non-response. Death rates well over ten fold compared to Norway and just about ten fold compared to Finland, and I mean after adjusting to population size.
What makes this so sad is that most of the Swedes have drank the kool aid big time.
I'm from Finland and here, at the ground level, people have been for and against of implementing restrictions and shutdowns of different parts of society. There has been an enormous portion of people who have voiced opinions for harsher restrictions and for ending restrictions. It's a constant debate on how we're doing and if we're doing the right things.
But as per usual the Swedes rally around their own government and think they alone know the answer how to handle this the best way. Even if it's against what everyone else is doing. Everyone in Sweden just sings the same song about how good things are, and as in this video - straight up mimics the government's talking points.
- A bunch of state worshipping lemmings, but that's how it's always been.
Also, Sweden didn't reap any significant economical benefits for this mentally disturbed laizzez faire approach.
What is sickening though, is that Sweden has been using covid to practically euthnanise the infected elderly, denying them hospital care, denying them oxygen and speeding up their demises by administering them with big doses of morphine.
That is truly evil on a scale usually reserved for different kinds of dictatorships which are never referred as "utopian" in any sense, as Sweden is - for some unknown reason.
Shame on you Sweden!
I have usually defended Sweden when people go after you on all kinds of issues, but these practises I've learned about your elderly "care" during the pandemic (on our mainstream media, mind you) has made me loathe Sweden's policies, and think extremely negatively on the majority of Swedes who rally around this insanity thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread.
Time to get your heads off from your own asses Sweden! We here in your neighboring countries are so sick and tired of your shit.
Your policies affect us too!
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you lost me at "we trust the government very highly and the government trusts us" and "zero corruption in the government"
Why did they lose you? Sweden and the Nordic communities have high trust, they pay high taxes, they have a lovely life with nowhere near the strife of America. I’m Canadian I have “some” trust in government...what I do trust as do the Swedes, and most if not all developing countries trust in is, Healthcare. Americans go bankrupt due to private health care. I think that you can attribute virtually all the corruption in the United States to the pharmaceutical companies, the healthcare companies, the military establishment as well as oil and gas. All of these lobbys line the pockets of your politicians and pump you people full of garbage, saying America is the best at this and that and look at you now. You are the best at looking like gangsters and spoiled children. I feel like the concept of flattening the curve or the initial steps taken made sense. You don’t want your healthcare institutions overwhelmed like New York City. The President of the USA, Britain’s Prime Minister was and still is a blow hard, but he got the virus and nearly died. He did NOT have to get the virus...but he kept shaking hands lime a yahoo. At least he now knows why it’s important to take this stuff seriously. Sweden also has a much smaller population. As a people I feel like the Swedes are quite happy. They have much clearer concepts of right and wrong...what drives then is not rabid consumption. They have short workweeks, they are way healthier than North Americans. They are far far more educated. The United States needs a total reset. Get rid of the political corruption, Lose the attitude of me first. THAT mindset is what stops Americans from being truly happy. Rugged Individualism has created a country of spoiled babies that are under educated if not uneducated. Assaulting people with guns, spitting in the face of law enforcement because you want a haircut. Jesus Christ grow up. Sadly since Trump has come to power it has shown the systemic racism and vile vile people that believe they are somehow superior based on pigment. Ignorance is bliss right. The American people don’t seem to blissful, but there sure seems to be about 40 percent of it that is ignorant. Just my opinion though, take it with a grain of salt. 😷🤦♀️😂😉🌺🌺🤷♀️🤴🏽💃🏼
@@hopesprings4967 I'm also Canadian, I live in Stockholm, and I definitely don't trust the Swedish government.
Brian Publicover But why?
Brian Publicover I’m just curious,, because that seems so contrary to what people say about Sweden or other Nordic countries.
@@hopesprings4967 i don't believe any government is without corruption, and with that, can not be trusted. Why should anyone blindly trust a group of people that want to make decisions for you?
I am Iranian American and I have been living in Sweden ,Goteborg for two years, Running smal Vegan/vegetarian Café in Central with my Wife.
We are happy here and many thanks to these
Couples for telling the truth 🌹
In Canada everyone has bought into the fear. We could have handled it similarly to Sweden, but fear and irrationality has ruled the day here.
Watching Sweden with interest but don't like to see their high death rate (265 deaths/million population). Good that Sweden has hospital capacity for surges. I'm from BC (Western Canada) and we are doing well comparatively at 20 deaths per million (Canada's total = 100/m). BC has lighter restrictions than many, but sadly East (Quebec and Ontario) have highest cases/deaths (90%). With the 2-mo advance warning and better preparadness we could have probably avoided closing down except: Canada's 1st mistake was taking WHO's poor advice Feb 28 of NOT closing international flights and borders by Mar 1. 2nd, should have done a much better job at airport/borders of strict quarantining of travellers for 2 wks. Now, long expensive recovery ahead - possibly years. Stay safe everyone!
@@laurieglasser7006 if you know quebec history they are very quebec Quebec quebec. The isolation they create lacks a breading gene pool. Basically they most likely have less antibodies from less genetic diversity.
Alberta has handled it similarly to Sweden. Yes we closed some businesses for a while but we test anyone who wants to be tested and we are reopening in phases because here we don’t all live apart, many people live in large family groups which is different than in Sweden.
Thanks Trudeau.
*The same sinister terminology used in different countries.*
*The "New Normal" for the sheep - which is NOT NORMAL. These should be called Temporary Measures as these should be called.*
I am over 65 why do you want to place me in prison for a virus? I would just as soon take my chances as I always have. Many pandemics have came and gone. Hiding from disease is not really doing much good
I'm late to the party on this, so my comment may never be read... but here's my thoughts (coming from Australia). We have been fortunate to have a low death rate and we're looking at the potential of eliminating the coronavirus from Australia. One of the advantages of living on an island.
My comcern with Sweden is this. Your testing rates are very low. People who appear to have the virus aren't even being tested unless they are admitted to hospital, or are health care workers. My brother in law lives in Sweden with his wife and 4 children. They all presented with symptoms and were advised to self isolated. Now, my brother in law has been admitted to hospital and therefore tested, yet there are 5 more people who have it and they aren't counted in your statistics. Sweden doesn't know where outbreaks are, it doesn't know the exact numbers to declare "herd immunity". I understand the different approach, I understand the faith in the government and in each other in general. However, from my point of view, it is being done irresponsibly.
So why do we need to test someone that are not in any great health risk or risk of dying? Who is that going to help? Our hospitals is not overflowing with dying patients, we still have a capacity for 20% more Covid19 patients. The big mistake that we did was to not lockdown the elderly homes in time(now however it is not allowed to visit the elderly). And for my thoughts to the lockdown approach, what will be the long term cost of many companies going under and people being unemployed? Less tax coming in, lower the health and the health care , how many will die from that long term? And if there’s a second wave and a third, will it be a lockdown for 3-4 months agian?
Anyway nobody knows witch approach is best, time will tell.
I’m enjoying my freedom anyway
@@Le_Andreas You need to test to be able to identify who has the virus, isolate that individual so he definitely doesn't infect others AND find out who that individual may have infected and quarantine those individuals, so they don't start spreading the disease themselves (even before they feel any symptoms themselves). This is the method used extensively in Iceland to severely mitigate the virus and stop the spread. Key here is: if people don't get infected there is zero chance of dying from Covid-19 :) You don't have to lock down the entire society. If you test aggressively and do this contact tracing as I mentioned, an open society, with people generally working will work. Take Iceland as an example. We started testing for Covid in the start of february, found the first confirmed infection though not until end of February and employed a police task force in tracing contacts of those infected. Iceland has a slightly more restrictive society than Sweden now. No lock down, schools are open for kids under 16. Work places are generally open. I am by far not an essential worker but I haven't missed a day of work since this began. Iceland, like Sweden has a ban on gatherings, we started at 100 and later went down to 20 when the infections started going up (it meant we did have to close gyms and swimming pools etc.), as opposed to your 50, and on May 4th we are going up again to 50.
People need to understand that this virus will spread to about 2,5 - 3 persons if nothing is done. So if you get the virus you are going to infect 2,5 - 3 others. That is versus the flu infection rate which is 1,5 at most.
So, if you mange to catch the infection early, you can seriously hinder its spreading and thus prevent it from doing more damage. Our Lead Epidemiologist has made this all very clear in his daily briefings to the Icelandic nation. And this is without a lock down.
Check out the Icelandic data here and look at our curve of active infections www.covid.is/data
I've done a bit of the math on this.
Covid-19 is at least twice as infectious as the seasonal flu. A person with the flu will infect on average 1,3 others. Covid-19 however will infect 2,5 - 3 people (or "to lie somewhere between 2.4 and 3.3" according to The Guardian e.g. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/germans-urged-to-stay-home-amid-covid-19-infection-rate-fears) . It is also known that about 0,1% of those with the flu die from it. Early figures from China on Covid-19 touted the deathrate to be at 2,5% and later, after it had started to spread to e.g. Italy, the WHO declared it to be 3,4% as they were sounding the alarm for other nations to get into shape in their preparedness. Now, this will vary from one country to the next. Italy's population is proportionately old, i.e. the people there are on average older than in many countries, so it's normal to explain the higher mortality rate there vs. nations with a younger population. Iceland, with its extensive testing has 10 people dead, from 1795 confirmed cases. That's a death rate of 0,6%.
But, let's just assume, for the sake of the argument that both the flu and Covid-19 have the same death rate of 0,1%. What becomes apparent here is that even with those cautious figures, you'd be left with a lot more dead of Covid! Let's do the actual math here:
So, roughly:
Flu:
You start with 1 infected person who hasn't infected anyone
1st level of infections: That person infects 1,3 others, so you have 2,3 people now infected
2nd level of infections: The newly infected 1,3 people then infect each 1,3 more people and you have the 2,3 persons from above + 1,69 more infected (1,3^2) , or 3,99 infections. You always apply the power of 2 to each level of new infections.
3rd level of infections: 1,69^2 = 2,9 more infections or 6,8 infections total
4th level: 2,9^2 = 8,15 more infections or 15 infections total. So, after 4 levels we're up to roughly 15 total people infected.
5th level: 8,15^2 = 66,5 more infections or 81,5 infections total.
6th level: 4.428 more infections or 4.509 in total.
0,1% death rate of that is 4,5 people dead.
Covid-19
Let's be cautious here and say that unmitigated Covid-19 will infect 2,5 others. Then we have:
1st level of infections: 1 person infects 2,5 others.
2nd level of infections: 2,5^2 = 6,25 more infections or 9,75
infections total
3rd level of infections: 39 more infections or 49 infections total
4th level: 1526 more infections or 1575 total
5th level: 2.328.306 more infections or 2.329.881 total
6th level: 5,4 Trillion more infections or 5,42101 Trillion total infections.
At the same level of infections as the flu and the same death rate, we have in an unmitigated situation where NO control over the infections is observed: 5,4 BILLION people dead, vs the 4,5 people dead from the flu.
If we say that Covid is a bit less contagious and each person infects 2 persons, vs. 2,5. then 6th level of infections gives us "only" 4,3 million people dead.
So yeah, this coronavirus is a fucking beast!!
@@ThorsteinnK except the tests aren't accurate, or at least they weren't. Hopefully it's better now, but for a while our experts were screaming test! at the top of their lungs, and they were the same ones that helped mess up the test on the first round. Someplace like NYC can't feasibly do like Sweden, but our farm states probably can, now that we've done shelter in place. Since we were already spread out, our death rates are ridiculously low compared to projections ( Oklahoma's is just under .0002 ) I don't know how many we've tested, but around 50,000 have come back negative. We have a surge hospital built if we get overwhelmed, but I really doubt we will now that everyone knows what's going on.
@@ellenhunt8767 Oh, Iceland has had fully working tests from the very start of February. I also remember how USA was using faulty tests in the beginning from the CDC that didn't prove to be working properly and had to be redesigned. All at the same time that the WHO had offered to send a bunch of already proven tests to USA so they could get going testing! But no, the tests had of course to be made in USA. hahaha. And so USA lost a few weeks in the battle against the virus. Foolish people.
Would have loved to know "the truth about coronavirus in Sweden," but 3 minutes in there has been nothing of substance so I'm moving on.
Try this for some truth. It's eye-opening and horrific. (Be sure to watch all the way through.). ua-cam.com/video/xk0TK_Syn9I/v-deo.html
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Hey,
I'm from France and I'm a bit sceptical about the speech you make in your video.
Indeed, France now has more than 155,000 cases of coronavirus recorded since the beginning of the epidemic, including more than 20,000 deaths linked to the virus.
That is why I find your attitude a little inappropriate when you say that there is no need to worry, that people are doing too much and that "only the elderly or those with no other pathologies die".
Apparently Sweden is doing well and that is good for you, but be careful.
We in France, too, took the epidemic very lightly at first. We laughed at our Italian neighbours who were going into lockdown and at those who were worried. "It's just a flu, it's not going to kill us".
The reality is that unfortunately it is not just the elderly who are dying from coronavirus, in France and other countries, very young children have died from COVID-19 when they had no history of it. Many adults, sometimes as young as 30 or 40 years old, have to be transferred to intensive care because their condition has suddenly worsened. Even though these people were perfectly healthy before that.
So no, it is not "highly unlikely" that people like you will develop a serious form of the virus. And it's not enough to just stop seeing older people. The problem is much more serious.
As you said, and I agree with you on this point, containment is not a viable long-term measure. While in France we should be allowed to come out as early as 11 May, many people are worried about a second wave because, as you rightly pointed out, as soon as people are out again, the virus will circulate again.
However, the argument of herd immunity does not seem to be strong either. A lot of scientific work shows that it is not certain that all infected people are then immune to the virus. In fact, there have been cases of people being infected a second time!
Of course, we cannot allow the economy to collapse, but it seems to me that health comes first.
In France, lockdown actually serves more to relieve the burden on hospitals and healthcare staff than to stop the epidemic. Indeed, our intensive care units are totally saturated! And I understand that Swedish hospitals are also increasingly overwhelmed...
I sincerely understand your point of view because we had the same one as you in France a few weeks ago, but don't take this crisis lightly.
However, thank you and well done for your video!
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Very well said.
I have many friends in France who have told me that the amount of dead who are young (0-40 years old) and have had no pre-existing condition or health issue can be counted on the fingers of their hands. I have a friend of my parents in Italy who has said the same - and confirmed that it's only those with conditions and who are old that are dying, but it's just that their population is older in general, meaning they have a high amount of elderly people.
To lose so many old people in Italy was a big tragedy. Of course it meant that also the number of the not-so-old who died was not so small. Old and young usually live together so we had to lockdown. We consider the loss of so many old people something horrible, because they are weak and society should protect them but when we had lockdown it was too late. And a lot of nurses and doctors died to help them and we are very proud of them. Our society is different , so if the old there live by themselves you can protect them without a lockdown.
I always doubt about Swedish model. I has seen the outbreak longtime before it came to Europe. People in Asia have taken this virus more seriously. Swedish people always say that it’s like a flu and if you get it you will be fine again. No one is dead except the elders. I saw so many documents from the Asian expertises that showed that this virus wasn’t like other viruses and more harmful. When you get it, your lungs will get damaged. You may recover but you will not have the same capacity as before. My sister also lives in France too. She is very worry about the virus because so many people died and thing is getting more serious. She wears mask when she goes to grocery shops and she has to think twice when she touches anything. Hand gel is always with her. I think when Sweden reaches the high death tolls as other European countries, people will be more awake and afraid when it comes closer to them.
Alexander Tanasie
It’s not really true. Actually, the child under 18 years old who died because of coronavirus can be counted on the fingers of one hand. But it is not the case for the adults of 30-50 who are not elderly but die anyway. Yes, there are more elderly people who died because of coronavirus than younger people, it is a fact. But the number of deaths of « young » people can not be neglected.
Also, there are people who don’t die but have to go in intensive cares for weeks and then they keep many sequelaes, especially on the lungs etc...
I have a friend, she’s juste 18 and she get infected. She had fever of 40 degrees Celsius, she had many problems on her lungs, even going to the toilets was difficult for her because she was out of breath...