How Sweden is Responding to the Coronavirus | with Johan Norberg
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Unlike its European neighbors and much of the rest of the world, Sweden has chosen to avoid a lockdown in the face of the coronavirus pandemic. Cato Senior Fellow Johan Norberg explains why Sweden is keeping its country open and allowing so much economic activity, and why its approach may prove to be superior from a public health perspective.
I'm not a libertarian. But this is the time I agree 100% with the guy.
He explains the situation very clearly and reasonably.
I live in Sweden and I think all off us trying to do the best. Even if we do it in different ways. Be careful and wish all off you the best,
That s not what all these pictures of over filled bars and terraces showed Las weekend...! Even the police has started filming, they have been appalled at people s behaviour especially in Stockholm. In my experience social distancing is a joke nearly everywhere. When young groups in the trendy areas are asked why they ignore the rules, they reply with a smile am not in the risk group so i don t feel concerned and have no symptoms...yeah....so smart...not
Where is Wolfgang on this reply ?
Very lucky...you live in smart country
@@whereitscold633 Stop being in trendy areas then and make your own choices instead of relying of others. Stockholm is not like rest of Sweden.
@@whereitscold633 All countries have idiots? Covid will sort them out i hope. Italy/Spain and others with lockdowns have people sneaking out. How is that better?
All my love and respect for Sweden and your beautiful message. We, in Peru, are very happy that you do an alternative way in front of this planetarian situation. Best wishes for Sweden ☀️
Wilco Thank you verry much. Wish you and your family all the best!!
@News you live in Sweden?
@News, you're simply wrong. According to official statistics, the 60-69 age interval is the one that receives the most intensive care by far, both in terms of number of admissals and percentage of ICU admissals per positive test. 17% of positively tested in this age group recieves intensive care, compared to 10% in the 50-59 range and 11% in the 70-79 age range.
3 225 dead, the experiment is turning sour. Don't do what we do. All the best to Peru! Buena suerte!
I like the approach we have taken, proud to be swede and great video explaining for the world how we do it here 👍
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The approach proved to be costly and deadly 3 months after.
You mean you can avoid politicizing emergencies when you don't have politicians issuing political decisions? What a novel concept!
Can a "political" decision be made by anyone else than a president or an prime minister in a state? Can political - which is really - moral decision be made by educated free people instead of a central institute? Can there be a balance where state institutions and the people act in symbiosis? Let's find out. Land of the free just shifted.
You can make it more difficult. If the professional authority does not assist you. In Germany the government just instructs the health authority what advice it wants to receive.
A situation that lead to the advice we received.
Second point is independence from commercial lobbys. Which either buy the healt officials or the instructing politicians. Anders Tegnell is apparently not purchased by any lobby.
@@Coastaljaeger, politicians make political decisions, not scientific decisions. That's the point.
You should try it yourself.
@my toughts soon, the muslims will be the only ones left in Sweden.
Sweden: the new 'land of the free and home of the brave.' Never thought I'd live to see the day when Americans so freely relinquished their freedom for fear.
there no list of freedoms America lead in . Not personal, economic, business
America hasn't been more free than Sweden for over 100 years.
Spreading virus is freedom...!!!
Should really try moving to an uninhabited island somewhere if you want freedom. Doubt the move would liberate you from fear though to be fair.
while almost the entire world is in quarantine, the only people taking to the streets to protest the measures are americans..oddly enough have the worst number of deaths and infected...maybe stop being an idiot
The Viking nations are on "Berserk Mode" again; this time, against COVID-19. Way to go, Sweden.
Hold in there Sweden. We need you to show the way for the rest of the world. This is the only approach that can save us.
As a swede I do like our approach, but it's not all that different in results as media seems to portray it, nor is it the only approach. Reduced mobility and less social contact has slowed the spread (also achieved with the harder lockdowns - and they're now figuring out how to transition); but ideally you would want to contain and trace the infected. In sweden we tried that for ~1.5 months, but saw communal spread and for that we did not have enough testing capacity to carry on.
@@jeolf8909 this is THE only approach. Other approaches kill.
@@jeolf8909
Your deaths are far higher than your neighbours.
They're are consistently rising in pace, you have just recorded your highest daily death toll.
And your economy is getting smashed... Businesses are taking on their own to close and from what I've seen your government isn't helping the businesses out.
Either trade and get corona or go bankrupt.
Sweden's approach just adds unnecessary deaths to go along with a recession.
@@Robert-cu9bm I still think swedens approach is good. Your either-or reasoning wont find support anywhere here.
Also death tolls in sweden is not necessary an indication of people that died in covid-19.
jeolf re death toll, absolutely correct. everywhere in the world is calling a death with corona a death from corona, the advice they have been given from on high. Would you say a death with common cold is a death caused by common cold? Of course not. The perfect way to inflate the death toll and drive more fear, all the better for more control.
Everyone who argue against swedens approach with the "death per capita" argument obviously didnt watch the complete video...
ofc not. only came to laugh at the comments while sweden is getting full lockdown mode XDDDDDDDDDDDD
To be fair, I don't think that most viewers want to invest 20 minutes in content that could've been presented in 2 minutes.
... 16 minutes and 42 seconds longer than many peoples' attention span.
@@bricology American news is the "worst" for reporting things in as long and drawn out a version as is possible.
@News 1/10th? Wrong. Finland (nice cherry picking, btw) has 15% of Sweden... And S.Korea has only 12.5% of Finland, without lockdowns, so...
As for the rest of your post, it's not even worthy of a reply.
Very happy indeed that there is an example of an alternative approach so we can compare results.
Brazil with Bolsonaro is another example. The UK was late with their shutdown so they can count as well.
ben we will know in the nxt 12-15 months, not tomorrow
You can’t compare Sweden to USA. There are no fat people in Sweden! That alone would, and will when USA ends lockdown, make the end result very different in death tolls. Not to mention poor people in USA won’t stop going to work when they become sick unlike Sweden where sick leave rules are much more employee friendly.
You can not compare Sweden with NewYork. The population density, poverty ratio and the movements of population are very different.
I'm getting sick of this lockdown. I wonder how hard it is to move to Sweden.
Ithina Van-Gouda very hard. I’m glade to be Swede. I lived in USA for 17 years. Nerver again! Thank God!
I love the lockdown.
@@christinanordin6777 I know what you mean. Sweden is far more civilised than America and no guns either.
Mackii.SWE 🇸🇪 how? Curious.
Trust me, the climate sucks.
Great video I'm a Swede living in Spain for many years Happy being able to use this video to explain to Spanish people what is going on
I'm rooting for Sweden!!! I hope they beat this virus!
I love it. How else can herd immunity take hold.
Now you are a religious nut vaccine denier if you say the words "herd immunity" in modern day indoctrination media.
Great Interview. So glad Sweden has decided to take this course of action.
Only thing I have to say is, I want to move to Sweden, closest to how my brain works.
Ya and join a mosque 🕌 no thanks
Reza Behnood YOUR REALLY BORING THEN...
@@AVIANCEMILAN you are aware sweden will be Majority Muslim by 2040 , so this comment by previous contributor not out of place
Sweden and other Nordic nations are very small and unfit to aborb immigrants.
3rd world migrants are to 85% extent socialists so your want to move to Sweden is natural.
Perhaps someone here has already said this, but unlike what this person says, Finland is not in a lockdow. People can leave home, walk in the park, etc. But of course people are keeping social distance. Most shops are open, but schools and big gatherings are stopped.. Yet Finland has far fewer deaths per capita than Sweden.
Finland also had far far fewer cases in general by the time they started forbidding gatherings and closing schools. They are not as far along in the curve, so to speak.
DontSigh If Finland started later that’s a great thing, as it means they are more likely to achieved herd immunity.
Hurricaneplays no, that’s the opposite? Please explain your theory.
Sara Wärlestedt I shorthanded my reply above. if Finland started social distancing efforts later, then there is more time to move towards herd immunity before everyone is in their homes all day.
Hurricaneplays forget about herd immunity without a vaccine, that’s just pure nativity.
There is a reason why almost all other countries have give this idea up...
Thankyou for so eloquently voicing what many swedish citizens feel! As a small business I am grateful for the opportunity to remain open to the public, even if sales have reduced 50%. Although I personally am somewhat anti political, I have felt proud of the sound and stable presentation Swedish government has upheld. Kudos and stay safe!
Here in Southern Japan where I live, I haven't noticed any difference in everyday life except toilet paper was sold out for a week other than that normal. My Japanese friends say we live with hundreds of earthquakes every year, massive typhoons live volcanos North Korea shooting rockets over us, you think the flu would worry us🤣🤣. Then I hear from my relatives in Australia complete different. We are also given a choice where I live we just have to use common sense.
I'm in America.
There is no common sense here.
You can wipe the virus from your body with toilet paper, and it gives you immunity, that is why
I really enjoyed this. So thoughtful and spoken so beautifully.
Thank you Sweden for coming with a different approach, There is a validity in the herd immunity much like the survival of species and natural selection.
Wolfgang Brechlin lol you keep commenting this. We get it man.
@Wolfgang Brechlin course not coarse
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So I live in Sweden and my father works by helping people who are over 70 years old and he unfortunately caught the virus in some way and we don’t even know how. He was very careful and followed every recommendation out there. He went to the hospital and the doctors told him he only had lung inflammation but two weeks later he started having severe breathing problems and went to the hospital again and was diagnosed with covid-19 but the only thing they told him was go home. He’s had it for almost a month but has been going out not knowing about being infected until last week just because the doctors told him he had a lung inflammation without even looking at it carefully
My point is this isn’t doing much imagine some have caught the virus from my father when he didn’t even know he had the virus and didn’t even show any signs of being sick and when he started the doctors weren’t careful enough and didn’t even examine him from the beginning.
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raghoodi they are playing russian roulette with our lives.
raghoodi As a Swede I am not surprised ❤️hope your dad feels better and you didnt get any.
haha jag tycker också var strategi är sådär i Sverige...😬 vi vet ju förvisso inte speciellt mycket ännu men jag tycker det är dumt att fira och applådera över vår strategi i förväg. Vem vet, vår situation kanske blir värre? Hoppas inte det. ❤️
Instead of working on a contact tracing technology that is free of contextual complexities( useful worldwide), They are busy discussing Swedish immunity and already social distanced contextual lifestyle......????
Please look up Richard Cheng's videos on youtube. Best of luck to you and your family!
This is one of the best discussions I’ve heard about this event
@Wolfgang Brechlin Hahaha, "Sweden the center of delusional neo-liberal ideologies"?. We are the country in the world that has been ruled by Social Democrats more than any other in the last century. We are arguably the number one social democrat welfare state in the world. What are you smoking? Your statement is ridiculous even for being a youtube comment.
Well who would have thought that the respect of the individual and his freedom would be championed by the Swedes ?
They are showing the world that they respect human dignity, and used their intelligence in this crisis.
72Yonatan , yes
Right, this comment does it.... Respecting human dignity... It is by far sure that many governments in Europe, Asia and America, are using the corona virus as an excuse to oppress people... That's more awful than the virus itself..... Funny that it didn't spread in Africa by the way.
Who would have thought? Everyone.
Sweden appears to have a respectful society and in general can be relied on to do the right thing......I'm not sure my country could be relied on without some kind of directive. They cant agree on most things so why would this be any different.
Me !
I'm listening to this in The UK and I wish you advised UK government ministers.
It is really not that different in Sweden.
They have some schools closed down because too many teachers have been sick and some families just keep they kids away from school. So even 40% are away from school.
Sweden is also doing some other measures like not letting too many people into the store at the same time and sharing disinfectants etc.
So it is not like they just live like nothing happened, what Britain tried to do.
And Nordic countries just simply do not have that many people in one area and do not come that close to other people nor kiss and hug others when they see friends, so Swedish people are always social distancing.
Many people just sit inside and play with their things instead of going out, but it can change along with the season.
Lets see how Finland is doing after they open all classes without e-learning option any longer next week or so. It may become worse than Sweden quickly especially because kids from poor areas in Sweden avoid the school but kids from heavily affected areas can no longer avoid the school in Finland and those areas have already nearly 10 people per 1000 people in the hospital. Well those areas have some schools, which have even majority of students from Somalia and those get the severe form of illness for some reason.
Areas on the other side of the city have had only 2-3 severe sick people per 1000. Those numbers Finland gives come only from hospitals as only severely sick people are being tested or so. A regular person can not just walk, somewhere to get tested, so you can understand that those numbers do not have people in elderly homes, people in home care even if it was severe as older people will not get transferred to a hospital, but a nurse goes to them so they are not included in the numbers of Helsinki university hospital area in Finland beside Sweden. I hear something that things happen the similar way in Sweden and that is why the real numbers are much much higher especially because the older you are, the higher the percentage.
In SARS there are two hills in the graph, the older peoole and among the 20 year olds. The young people can get the sars-phenomenon, that it is hard for them to breath suddenly. Middle aged people may only feel some pressure in their lungs plus some burning.
The scary statistic is, that if you research the earlier pandemics, those recovered never really recovered and got sick over and over again as their lungs were more vulnerable and could barely walk 200 meters.
That is why there is no sense in the idea of trying to get the disease and this 'group protection' or something unless you want to get pain and various problems the rest of your life.
spot on mate.. send some common sense to usa
@Clement Smith That remains to be seen. Taiwan appears to be giving up on their preventative measures, so we will see if they have a second wave. I would bet that they will and the statistics will dwarf their current numbers.
@Clement Smith actually the video is incorrect, they are following all the required things like wearing mask, sanitizer, physical distancing, no large gathering more than 50, etc.
But they don't want people to stay at home, do all your chores but also follow the required precautions to avoid covid. Especially Older people are on lockdown for their own sake.
You may say its dumb but in few months or weeks you will be doing the same. Whenever your country opens the lockdown, the virus will spread unless you lock them for 1 year and wait for vaccine.
So in the end every country on the earth will follow what sweden was doing from the start or you can kill your economy.
It may look like that the Sweden have many fatalities early on but in the end just like sweden every country will reach herd immunity, some may reach early like sweden and some will reach later. So currently sweden may have 6th highest death rate but when other countries starts easing lockdown the fatalities will rise.
Lockdown is just slowing and delaying the inevitable.
@@prashantsolanki007 Last I checked, Sweden was 11th... showing these other countries are catching up, and surpassing Sweden's death toll per capita, even before easing their lockdowns... And when they do, it will be even more obvious lockdowns were the wrong strategy.
Do you want millions of Americans to die so that a few old men can try an experiment?
Very good report and overview, I think sensible strategy all round.
Time will tell. It could be that every country will eventually end up in the same boat, regardless of how they got there. Ive always been impressed with how grown up the swedes seem, compared to a lot of uk and american people. Not all, obviously, you cant generalise too much.
Certainly, lockdown is not sustainable forever. The question is what happens when you ease off and would we have been better taking swedens route?
The uk started off a bit like sweden. There was talk of herd immunity. Then someone ran a model which predicted about 2 million deaths. The government panicked and did a 180 turn. Suddenly lockdown was the answer. Hardly confidence inspiring! So here we are. Good luck to all!
Yeah, grown up :S Have you ever heard about Systembolaget?
There hasnt been any talk about "herd immunity" here in sweden before foreign media started to ask questions about it. We're doing our best to lilmit the spread and protecting healthcare, but voluntary rather than legislative. (Edit: oh, I see. You were referring to UK, my bad)
Worldwide lock downs didn't occur due to a model, it was due to solid evidence and responsible Governments everywhere took action. Lock down is awful and there is a terrible liberty and economic price to pay, but if we don't isolate the virus the long-term ultimate $ price across the world is likely to be apocalyptic and the financial repercussions of a massive loss of life will hurt worse. Less tax payers will hurt economies. Sick or weakened populations will hurt economies. This virus has already mutated 3 times in less than 6 months. It's next mutation may be far worse and more disastrous to all age groups. Lockdown stopped SARS. We know it works.
@@catercoz2491 there are many ways to combat a pandemic, and also plenty of indications that a hard lockdown isn't alll that much better than a softer approach. Neither approach is self evident, but many desicions taken are questionable if they have any scientific backing.
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My theory is that the reason why Sweden is taking such a different approach is to prevent a similar situation like the one we're seeing in France right now.
"herd mentality rather than herd immunity", i like this quote. Dear Swedes, I beg you with all my heart not to adhere to this psycho-pandemic or mass hysteria. You are one of the last healthy countries in this world. I am Italian and I assure you that our numbers, just like other countries, are false. Viva Sweden...
Well said!
This needs to be shared with everyone ua-cam.com/video/k1trzdmwR2M/v-deo.html - Lies, Damned Lies and Coronavirus Statistics
Big Bro, would like to hear more about the actual situation in Italy from a different source than "the news."
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I'm from Italy too, precisely from the Brescia province in Lombardy. I'm afraid Big Brother cannot possibly know wether our statistics are wrong better than anyone else..
From my very limited personal experience, I don't know of one single person who HASN'T had at least 1 death or hospitalized patient in their circle of friends and family. About half of my former high school friends have lost someone in their family. Those who resulted positive to the virus where very ill for at least 2 weeks, some up to 4 weeks of very high fever, difficulty breathing, muscles ache and vomit. Some fairly young people coming out of hospital are still experiencing breathing issues, extreme tiredness and a number of other mild to not so mild symptoms. The consequences of ventilation can be devastating. This is no joke.
Perhaps we are hysterical, but believe me, it's not because of what we read in the news. It's either from personal experience or the sad stories of people we know.
Everybody in Italy knows very well that the reported Death rate is too high. Should we count all the true infected, the Death rate would go down a lot, but even a 2% is too much to go around screaming this is all a hoax.
Perhaps it's Big Bro who has a political agenda, have you considered this?
amrita Correct. We border on Italy and most of our cases were imported from Italy. It’s a terrible situation. My heart breaks for Lombardia, Veneto.... Northern Italy lost a generation in matter of months. May your situation get better soon neighbours!
God bless you sweden.
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Thank you Sweden! I wish the US had been so clear minded! 😩
Common sense and personal responsibility 🙏🌞💕
Well done, Sweden! I believe the strategy should work!
Absolutely correct, what a breath of fresh air to see someone talking a bit of common sense, hi from Northern Ireland.
Why is there no data about recovered people in Ireland?
As the guy was saying, even Sweden doesn't know if they made the right choices.
He says it remains to be seen.
Currently, Sweden has a high death toll.
They think that is acceptable because they think they are avoiding a second or third wave surge of infections. But that's based on theories and computer models, and remains to be seen if it will be proven correct.
@@pedrofmc0000 I live in Larne Northern Ireland closest port to the UK mainland, as far as I'm aware we have a population of around 40,000 with only one death from a Corona virus, let's be correct here there are lots of different types of Corona virus that causes the common cold and different flu,s, our media are stating, maybe corona, likely Corona, possible Corona, and then covid 19, which has not been proven yet as the UK health minister stated a couple of days ago, the covid tests were unreliable, so no-one knows how many have died from covid 19 or flu, as we all have had a Corona virus at some stage in our lives, so we will have antibodies showing resistance to various Corona viruses from past colds or flu,s, it's all up in the air to be honest, the guy who produced the test they are using, clearly stated that the test was unreliable for covid19, again yes it will show antibodies for Corona but pin pointing covid is again not reliable.
@@RedRider1600 the second wave theory is reality any virologist will tell you that can happen as the virus hasn't been allowed to take it's course through the whole population there will be a second wave, and the numbers aren't in yet as to what percentage we or anybody has, a lot of top virologist s have stated it's a bad flu nothing more. Also from my understanding if you don't let it run its course it my mutate again same problem, second wave that will be worse again. Check out
Dr. Knut M. Wittkowski, PhD, ScD, headed the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology & Research Design at Rockefeller University for 20 years, he recently put out a paper (The First three months of the COVID-19 epidemic - Epidemiological evidence for two Separate Strains of SARS-CoV-2 viruses spreading and Implications for Prevention Strategies) and gave an interview explaining the potential dangers of "social distancing
David White
Sounds like you are more sure of that theory than the guy who made this video.
The rest of the world stopt thinking under rule of the fearfactory...
This is a very sensibly approach. I am very glad that i am a Swedish citicen in this crisis. There is also much to learn to the next time around, that will come, sooner or later.
I salute you
No hysteria just facts based and rational thinking
UK went the same path but unfortunately has had to lockdown more and adjust to protect the NHS, which has worked.. We're not locked down like Spain were though. There is some trust in citizens being asked for by govt. I think the virus was here and spreading long before we think it was, we were never going to get off lightly, especially not in a city like London.
Rather hysterical fact denial based and irrational thinking.
Finland has much less deaths, but let's see how many people will suicide or get sick in isolation, and also afterwards due to financial losses etc.
Yes Finland does have less deaths, but Finland was also able to prepare better because the spread of the virus started a bit later according to the numbers. But time will tell! :)
@@mikelindqvist8015 Sweden had plenty of time too. The problem is Finland stockpiled first aid equipment on the contrary to Sweden, where they chose to burn it or give it away in the early 2000´s.
@@messono Hopefully we learned our lesson this time. The selling of our stockpiles (and even some military land and buildings we now need to build up again because of Russia) was just stupid. It's not like all of us wanted to sell it of, but we did.
However, the first thing Sweden did, long before panic started, was to start buying up supplies and expanding the maximum capacity in ICU. Some problems occured when Germany refused to export medical supplies already ordered by us, but eventually it went through. ICU beds has been in place for some time, increased from 1200 beds to 3600 and more may be introduced later.
With that said, I *don't* think the surge in infections that occurred and started the spread in Sweden after the "sports break" holiday (when a lot of people went to Italy to ski) is the sole reason. It did spread a lot faster and sooner here in Sweden than in Finland and Norway, but after two months that's probably a minor reason to our high infection rate rather than a major one.
We most likely would've had a harder time doing a lock down and stopping the spread like Finland and Norway but of course we would've had much fewer cases if we went with the same strategy as they did.
Personally I'm not sure what I think is the best strategy or Sweden, and I don't think that there is a perfect strategy that works for every country.
We're very much alike each other here in the Nordic Countries, culturally wise (putting the usual rivalry aside), but our economies are different. And those who say economy doesn't matter when lives is at stake: You do know there's a risk of starvation and global depression right? Long lasting (economic) depressions may cost a lot of lives, especially if we see starvation because of lost crops during lockdowns.
I just hope we all come out of this alright. From Sweden, to Finland to China or even the USA.
Lets see if you get a second or third wave, then we'll know.
@@Banzaci that's going to happen anyway,but nothing changes the fact that this virus only kills 1% of those it infects.we are not dealing with Ebola for fuck sake
This will work in a place like Sweden where people use commonsense, but in some countries it will be a disaster... like mine.. Happy for Sweden doing so well!
Trust me, People dont use common sense here in Sweden . People are gonna die. How many it gonna be is interesting.
I appreciate what Sweden is doing very much. People have a herd mentality driven by fear. It's ridiculous and scary. It doesn't encourage faith in humanity for me.
If you want herd mentality, Sweden is the place to go. If you think on your own and don't stick to the herd they will practice social distancing all the time.
@@nillejoslin and this comes from someone whi has been in Sweden... how many times?
@@evelinaolssonsjoberg4624 Countless times. The consensus culture is well-known and if you depart from it you're dead.
@@nillejoslin dunno what you're going on about. I was referring to countries with a herd mentality by doing what other countries did (lock down) without thinkint critically about things.
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Keep in mind what he said about Swedish people follow the suggestions and guidelines of authority voluntarily and if they don't others in their society shame them. I know in US many people, like the young people on spring break in Florida, do not follow advice or even good common sense.
Sally McGeehan , that was only in the beginning where there was not much reliable information around.
And don’t think when he said that the majority are following, that the majority is about 90% or more....60% or more are also the majority and I believe it’s not rather the later.
He should show some more data than only speak in his believe.
Sadly, I would trust a Swedish person to act more responsibly in this pandemic than an American, and I'm American. American culture is selfish. Also we are about freedom, but not the responsibility that goes w it. I just believe the thinking is way different. This approach would not work at all in the States.🤷🏽♀️
Same in Spain. "Do not socialize"
Spanish people: "Que???? Ok then I visit only the closest family and friends,this is just 150 people, we will have picnic in the park. "
English tourists in Benidorm and other tourist places: "Olleeee let´s have a beer on the beach then let´s walk through the city in groups. The hotel´s swimming pool is closed in Tenerife? no problem, I will swim anyway"
@@morgana2006freemail Well, then they pay the consequences and hopefully remember the lesson. Spaniards or Sweds does not matter, government force will ALWAYS be worse in the end.
Thank you for this very very much needed insight warm greeting from Southern Portugal Muito Obrigado
I applaud your guts to go against the majority of countries are doing. Very good video
*Sweden's approach is pragmatic given the fine existing public healthcare and elder-care infrastructure that exists in the country* . While reliable data concerning the human immunoresponse to the SARS COV-2/COVID-19 antigen remains forthcoming, early data suggests that 80% of COVID-19 carriers are asymptomatic, demonstrating no manifest ailment following infection, and a mortality rate similar to that of influenza among a populace with no preexisting condition that might compromise their immunological response to infection, there is credible epidemiological research by doctors Knut Wittkowski [1] and John Ioannidis [2] [3] to suggest that "social distancing" measures will confound the opportunity for the broad development of the antibodies necessary to achieve "herd immunity" and prolong the crisis or foster conditions where the virus might again return. By focusing resources on elderly persons and those with compromised immune systems, Sweden's approach is likely the more pragmatic solution.
[1] Journeyman Pictures (UA-cam Channel) | "Perspectives on the Pandemic | Professor Knut Wittkowski | Episode 2" | 41m:30s [ ua-cam.com/video/lGC5sGdz4kg/v-deo.html ]
[2] Journeyman Pictures (UA-cam Channel) | "Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University | Episode 1" | 01h:02m [ ua-cam.com/video/d6MZy-2fcBw/v-deo.html ]
[3] Journeyman Pictures (UA-cam Channel) | "Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4" | 01h:12m [ ua-cam.com/video/cwPqmLoZA4s/v-deo.html ]
Herd Immunity ? This is just the first wave of the virus that is killing not just the old and susceptible but regular people are dying also in large cites that are hot zones because of overpopulation . Take NYC for instance . There have been more deaths in NYC than most country's . A vaccine is the only cure . No one is gonna be immune once it mutates by next fall or winter (Praying that it doesn't happen) . Sweden is like a small town that is not realizing that it eventually will affect them worse by not following the guidelines . This coming from a country that legalized euthanasia .
@@sharha830, vaccines only work to the extent that natural immunity works. If natural immunity is not possible, a vaccine won't be possible, either. If the virus mutates, that will mean either developing immunity to it each time you get it again or taking different vaccines for it (new ones every year or whatever like the flu shot). We are much better off facing the virus and attempting to develop natural immunity now, instead of waiting for what will be a rushed and risky vaccine. This can be done in a safer way by sheltering the vulnerable while low-risk groups return to more normal living.
@@sharha830 Hi Sha Rha, Despite the availability of the influenza vaccine, 80,000 Americans died of influenza-related illness contracted over the winter months of 2017-2018 (See Stat News (AP Article, Sept 26, 2018) | CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years [ www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/ ]) with some 30 - 60 million contracting the virus.
The flu vaccine is not an inoculation nor is it a cure, but a micro-dose of the influenza antigen (the CDC makes an (educated) guess as to which strains are likely to emerge in any given flu season) to encourage the human body to develop antibodies to the virus. The effectiveness of the flu vaccine is generally lower than 50% (40.25% average over the past 16 years). There is evidence to suggest that repeated influenza vaccination further reduces the effectiveness. While children tend to be the largest demographic of carriers/transmitters, healthy children tend to be the most resilient to the mal-affects of the virus due to their healthy immune system. Most healthy persons, in fact, are more than capable of fending off influenza as well as SARS COV-2/COVID-19. 80% of those contracting both influenza and COVID-19 are asymptomatic - demonstrating no ill affects. Among the remaining 20% the majority manifest modest, manageable, and non-life-threatening symptoms (i.e. fever, runny nose, sore throat, muscle and joint pain, headache, coughing, mild sinus or bronchial infection), while fewer still contract viral or bacterial pneumonia that, while treatable, may lead to respiratory failure, heart failure and death. The mortality statistics attributed to influenza-related illness vary in relation to the health condition of the population and age demographic, but generally fall below 1%. Recent research by scientists at Stanford University found that "people under 65 years old and not having any underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.3%, 0.7%, and
1.8% of all COVID-19 deaths in Netherlands, Italy, and New York City" (See "Population-level COVID-19 mortality risk for non-elderly individuals overall and for nonelderly individuals without underlying diseases in pandemic epicenters" -- John P.A. Ioannidis, MD, DSc, Cathrine Axfors, MD, PhD, Despina G. Contopoulos-Ioannidis, MD [ www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1.full.pdf ]).
Like coronavirus 229E and OC43 - responsible for the common cold - and influenza, SARS COV-2 / COVID-19 is likely here to stay. Rather that invest in vaccines whose impact affects the human biochemical diversity in unpredictable ways, some of which have been know to manifest in neurological disorder and even death, I would rather see an investment in efforts to improve or enhance the overall general health of the population. Stress is known to impair the human immunoresponse system, even contributing to risk of respiratory ailments such as asthma, and increasing the risk of contracting certain forms of cancer. Money is better spent in efforts to reduce or eliminate stress, particularly that caused by economic stress, which is also the major case of familial dysfunction and disintegration. Rather than chase a vaccine that is likely to repress the human immunoresponse system (as with the case of the chicken pox vaccine whose consequence leads to shingles later in life), I would rather see improvements to education and regulation to better address the need for cleanliness and prevention as well as universal health coverage (Medicare For All) to facilitate early detection and treatment of ailment.
I would encourage you to watch/listen to those references I had cited in my earlier comment. I you don't have the patience or time to dedicate to this, please consider watching and listening to the following 4 minute statement by Dr. John Ioannidis - the lead researcher of the paper cited earlier in this comment:
Journeyman Pictures (UA-cam Channel) | "Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Extended Excerpt" | 23 Apr 2020 | 04m:9s [ ua-cam.com/video/PC3nptwY50I/v-deo.html ]
Nothing wrong with doctor-assisted suicide. We don't have a choice to enter this world, nor the circumstances of our birth pertaining to economic condition or location; we should at least have the choice about how we leave it.
The best form of birth control is social and economic equality including a nurturing and enlightening education. Any effort to dictate matters concerning birth control is quite simply, fascist.
Regards.
Thanks for that information and insight.
VERY GOOD SPEAK, VERY COHERENT AND INTELIGENT . GIVE US A REASON TO THINK WHY IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF ANSWERING THE BIG QUESTIONS AROUND THIS PANDEMIC
Sweden could reasonably take more chances with “staying open” in large part because they have a robust socialized medicine system and a dependable welfare state.
And, having taken the direction they did, they will have an economy at the end of all this that will be able to afford the "robust socialized medicine system and a dependable welfare state" It is a matter of political hysteria vs clear analysis.
But the fact that the healthcare system is funded by tax money doesn't give it infinite capacity.
@@db7213 it wouldn't have infinite capacity even if it was provate
This is exactly the approach based in science every country must take, at least sounds like it, If you are transparent and truly care for public health.
Here in the Philippines, enhanced community quarantine allowed our government to "buy" time to set-up & prepare to a level that when we re-open, our healthcare system can handle influx of COVID19 patients.
If I'm not mistaken, my country will gradually open its economy & allow its workers to work beginning the 15th of May.
It’s so excellent to treat your people with respect ✊
Brilliant explanation Johan. You really presented the key things about trust in society and others. I agree that we are not the experiment...the others are! A good conclusion.
Where are the facts and data? I’m only hearing blablabla...
@@youjay6751 worldometer, statista, wikipedia.......... just google it.
Sweden is lucky they don’t have high density. Still the death toll compared to the number of citizens is big! And the number of recovered is extremely low!
Liz Bruce we are only testing critically ill. If you need to be hospitalized then you get tested. Otherwise no test.
Sara Wärlestedt which is a stupid thing to do and will make the containment so much more difficult. Really no reason to brag with this.
@@youjay6751 Sure, you get us accurate tests and infrastructure for testing and we'll do it, no problem...
Tests is starting arrive, but those we have so far is better spent on getting control of the nursing homes, hospitals and to get reliable statistics.
This could make for some interesting reading, www.kth.se/en/aktuellt/nyheter/1-000-stockholmare-testas-for-corona-i-pask-1.973722
You use what you can get your hands on, but you cannot test efficiently without (accurate) test kits or infrastructure.
Swedes actually live in cities and towns and thus our workplaces, stores, restaurants, schools and so on are of fairly typical sizes for modern Western economies. Also our suburbs have a lot of apartment buildings and aren't as sprawling as US ones are.
The death toll compared to the number of citizens is almost insignificant so far.
Not sure we care much about tracking recoveries really as it is not important for determining what to do next. What we do and what we track is heavily focused on utility.
@@youjay6751 What documentation do you have that "containment" is the proper path to follow? We will have a better idea in a few months, after this pandemic has progressed a bit further. The whole idea of the isolations is to reduce the peak numbers of people infected at once and overloading health care facilities. It was never meant to reduce the total number of people that ultimately get infected - although that seems to be a common belief, mostly due to lousy communications from our various governments.
What an outstanding talk. More please.
I think you made a perfect evaluation over the situation end of Sweden's policy and decisions. Of course in the future we can have clearer assumptions but as far as the statistics the numbers are really confusing because everybody counts deaths and infected in various and not sufficient data
The voice of reason... Nice IKEA bookshelves too... Billy?
Sweden deaths/million - 136; Denmark - 58; Norway - 30; Finland - 15; Germany - 49, as of April 17, 2020. Why is Sweden's death rate so high compared to their neighbors?
Just wait and see what happens when Norway, Finland and Denmark are no longer in lockdown.
@MR J we don't hide behind herd immunity as that's not a part of the strategy. Norberg's emphasis of this is a bit unfortunate. The rest of what you say might be true, in some sense.
@@hyzechad As long as they keep their borders to Sweden shut, they will be ok.
He did answers your Question " The only way you can beat a Virus long term is immunity" if you aren't in Sweden your Lockdown strategy is short term.
Once you open , Obviously you can't be on Lockdown forever the number will even up with Sweden, it's a Virus you can't hide forever we need to expose the healthy to build immunity then the unhealthy will be protected..
@MR J "testing herd immunity" How many times do we have to tell you that it's not even a part of the strategy? Immunity after being infected is something we hope for, but herd immunity is not what we're trying to achieve with this strategy. Trump may say it, but it doesn't make it so.
Politicians is not to meddle in these matters in Sweden and the strategy is to keep our heads and go by facts alone.
Nursing homes wasn't in lock down yet when it started spread there and those deaths make up for more than 42% of the 2k death toll. Also, the nowadays privatized nursing homes failed miserably, being too cheap to give the employees the right equipment, causing the virus to spread rapidly. The government is now stepping in, forcing testing and use of equipment, but in a lot ways the damage has already been done.
Without that extremely sad and indefensible failure the death toll would be slightly higher than that of Denmark.
It's awful that it happened, and I'm not sure we're doing the right thing right now, but the numbers always quoted about Sweden is not comparable to those of other countries, at least not in the way people use them.
PS. Sadly enough, you also have to take into account what shut down economy would do in the long run as UN and other organizations start to warn the world of starvation ahead. Also, the economy in Sweden is very different from the countries around it. All these things matter.
Sweden's approach makes a hell of a lot more sense. Unfortunately some of us are stuck in countries where Politics and populism are the order of the day. A time of reckoning is upon us and we will have to suffer the consequences of our governments irrationality. Well done!
Thank you for sharing. I am very grateful Sweden is taking a sane approach and respecting individual liberty.
Sweden has a very important message. Let's incorporate what they've learned. We are still up in the air as to what this virus will do so we must leave our options open. Thanks for putting this up.
It seems like a very intelligent, reasonable way to tackle this issue tbh. But unfortunately in my county, Australia, I lack confidence in the intelligence of ‘’most’’ people 🥺
And in the rest of the world as well. This method is a fine way to get rid of the elderly and those with other health issues.
Why did this "experiment" might make sense for Sweden - here a few points to take in consideration:
- Only 2 to 3 countries connected by land (Norway, Finland and maybe Denmark if you count the Öresund Bridge)
- Land border to the north east only to Finland's north (less population density and traffic there)
- Land border to Denmark only by one bridge (less traffic)
- Every other country did close the border (this did minimize the border traffic)
- A population of about 10 million on a land mass of about 450.000 square km (e.g. Germany has 8 times the population and only 360.000 square km)
- Not as many and busy travel hub like other countries (numbers of traveler 2015 nation wide about 6,5 Mio - New York 2016 have been about 10 times of this)
- Only 3 big and dense cities (Stockholm, Malmö and Göteborg)
- Population who trusts in government and science (reasonable behavior in general)
Is it possible to compare the result and judge based on this circumstances, to "learn" from Sweden as an example for other countries for the future?
I think we have to be very careful to do so. Nobody knows what would have happen if other countries wouldn't have closed down - how the virus would have spread in Sweden and how many death would have been there.
Furthermore, the density of population is very different in most of the other countries. What might work in Sweden doesn't necessarily work in other countries.
Herd immunity might be necessary in general but the circumstances have to allow this and the health systems of a country must be able to handle the cases.
And nobody knows how many wouldn't have get the virus with or without lockdown. Who wants to decide how many lifes a herd immunity is worth such an experiment?! How many could have survived if Sweden would have done the same like other countries? Nobody knows.
@@ub2bn The SARS2 virus survives best on dirty, never cleaned bus and subway cars in New York City and Newark New Jersey.!!
Wise people with high level of self-responsibility and freedom. Even if they're wrong (which seems not to be the case) they're giving the world a unique case to study while preparing for the next pandemics.
Viki Bellefleur Love it.
Wise people with a high level of cockiness, I would argue. And the data so far seem to disprove their strategy.
I can understand some parts of our stratedy but I am also worried. Since not everyone if following the recommendations here in Sweden. I have seen many bars and restaurants that are filled with people and no space in between. They get warnings but that´s about it. And now with the temperature rising outside I see masses of people gathering. There are also those who cough in their hands regardless, and many elderly are roaming around. I know some who have gotten infected and almost died.. and once you experience that you start thinking even more about social distancing and being careful. If you have family members and close ones with healthproblems it´s important that you are careful when you are out. Hearing from nurses and doctors at the hospitals here also makes you realize how important it is that everyone follow the recommendations. As we call it ”recommendations” here people wont take it just as seriously as rules to go by. Today two guys stood behind me in line at a grocerystore but stood very close to me. I asked them politely to keep more distance and pointed at the sign which told them to do so. They moved even closer to me and said ”then why are you out at all?”. ”Well because I need food (for my dad), we need to keep a distance.” And then they kept bumping into me and nobody did/said anything. Then when I were picking up my groceries one of them fake coughed in my face. This is just a horror example though. If you REMIND people to keep a distance, most people will. It just seems people don´t always keep it in mind here, because they are young and healthy and not afraid to catch the virus themselves. I wish EVERYONE here followed the recommendations, but they don´t ❤️ whenever I go groceryshopping there are some people who just don´t care. And it probably never will change, so we´ll have to deal with it...I wish a vaccine comes fast.
So much common sense, we need this in the States!!!
And in Canada. In just a few weeks, the States' and Canada's per capita death tolls will be on par with Sweden's, based on daily increases in fatalities. Sweden is down to about +4% daily, whereas Canada is at about +14% daily, and the States are at about +10% daily.
Curtis Smith, we'll never have this in the states, too many democrats.
@@gideonwestgate3291 You realize that the Swedish Government is mainly Democratic Socialists, right? Bernie Sanders is the closest comparison in the US.
Im not saying that the swedish strategy is wrong. As you say we have implemented a social distance without using a forced lockdown and I agree that a lockdown can possibly have serious effects on peoples health and the economy in the long term. But we have failed to protect our elderly and other riskgroups. As of now 75% of all elderly homes in Sweden have virus and we have a very high death rate at the moment even though we have implemented alot of social distancies.
Why. Here are my thoughts:
1. We stoped tracing the virus from aboad travelers to early, we didnt put people with no symptoms arriving from contagious areas for one or two weeks in quaranteen. This gave us a quicker sociaty spread before we had time to prepare the elderly care.
2. We stoped testing the population, due to lack of testing materials, we only tested hospitaliesed patients. Then about one month later we started to test nurses and doctors working at the hospitals. We never tested staff, nurses and doctors etc, working at the elderly homes or with the ”hemtjänst” the home care staff.
3. It has taken about three month to distribute protective equipment to to staff working with the elderly. The carehomes in Uppsala got them this week, 19th-24th of april. The nurses and undernurses working with these patients have to work very close to these patients. A sick patient with dementia doesnt know not to cough staff in the face etc. Stressed and under staffed workes need to quickly move from one elderly caretaker to the next. Not only risking getting the disease but to spread it to the next patient.
4. The swedish ministry of health have still not acknowledged asymptomatic spread of this virus. The testing capacity in Sweden is still very low. A top of that the regional, communal, byrocracy regarding health care for the elderly is in dissaray. It takes half a day to get a patient in the elderly homes tested because you have to having to call so many different instances, nobody knows who has what authority.
5. Since alot of elderly people dont get tested, either due to lack of testing gear or because its very hard to test them (imagine a patient with dementia being tested by a nurse, sticking up a wooden quetip far up their nose. They can get very violent and its against the law to constrain them.) Alot of covid-19 patients dont register as being sick or contagious.
6. Alot of fare gone elderly patients cant be treated in intensive care because it will probably due more harm than good for them, but there are still alot of elderly patients in homes not that far gone in alzheimers or other diseases that would greatly benefit from hospital care. Persons that might have 5-10 years of decent life left to live. Alot of them are as of now being denied hospital care. That moral choise, that has been experienced as devastating in countries like Italy and Spain, is already being made here in Sweden. Its also something to consider why the hospitals in Sweden are still coping and not being overflowed with cases.
The health ministry have acknowledge the problem with getting the virus to so many elderly homes several weeks ago. Back then we had the virus in one third of the care homes in Stockholm. Has anything happened to stop the spread? Mayby, but I havent seen that happened. Sweden has to accept that we have failed on some parts of our strategy and act quickly to correct them as best we can. We can prevent the spread to other regions with alot less infected people. People in sweden are either very pro the swedish strategy or very against. It seems there are no middle ground? In sweden the elderly in care homes and the staff working with them have a fairly low status in the society. Alot of these people are suffering silently in Sweden. The average person in Sweden dont know or dont care about this. The elderly in swedish care homes are no longer part of the society.
"75% of all elderly homes" Nope? Can you give source on that
WebDev sorry it should have been 75% of carehomes in Stockholm. The epicenter of Sweden.
www.dn.se/sthlm/covid-19-har-tagit-sig-in-pa-75-procent-av-aldreboendena-nar-smittan-val-tagit-sig-in-ar-det-for-sent/
P H very good comment and I enjoyed the read. Don’t agree with all of it but most of it sounds .. well sound! Only really have one thing to add. Our elderly care facilities are home to those who are OLD and sick. And I feel like on the international stage they are being thought of more as retirement homes, which have more communal purposes and less medical care needs. In my experience you’re not in a Swedish care home unless you require a lot of aid! Making the “co-morbidides” not just high but HIGH. And feel on that particular point the facts are not being compared accurately with other countries.
Do not mean to disagree with your comment, but to add to it.
P H this was a very interesting take on what is going on in Sweden at the moment. As a skånsk tjej that have been living in Melbourne for quite a few years now, I don't get much out of my parents when I speak to them. They are both in their 70's but they don't want to worry me with what is going on. They only thing they have told me of the three biggest groups of where there have been deaths, elderly in home care or old people's homes, Somalians or Iraqies. Is this true?
Thank You! And as Carl Bilt said: we in sweden are experts in social distancing. he also made a good point that we have just got out of a dark depressing winter and for the heard health we need to be out in the sun to get back our mental health. Im for the first time, thanks to this proud to be Swedish and wish recomendation on how to celabrate national day without fear.
Heia Sverige! A clear mind in a World of mass hysteria!
but Sweden is 10th place in the world on death rate per capita. :) "good" clear mind
is Sweden now the last civilized country?
*YES* 💙💛💙
I need to move to Sweden
UK was doing this... Before it realized that there is no proof of lasting immunity and that it was quickly escalating to the point were the NHS would have been over run.
What proof is there the NHS would have been overrun? And if there is no lasting immunity, then the lockdown will never end, the economy will be destroyed, and the NHS will have no funding.
@@Benzknees Obviously you haven't paid attention, we are slowing the spread until a vaccine can be created, that would provide some herd immunity if enough people are vaccinated. Also don't start with anti-vac nonsense.
Also lowing the total infections by lock down and strict social distancing means government and health will have the ability to track a certain number of small outbreaks, isolate them, contact trace and test that would mean certain rules could be relaxed and hopefully cases can be quickly dealt with.
That should have been done from the start and it wasn't. It was left too late which meant that the NHS/Government was unable to track down cases and do contact tracing of all cases. Hence community spread.
@@Benzknees Proof that the NHS would have been overrun? Are you a complete simpleton? Other countries health services were overrun; Italy, Spain, Iran to name a few. You could say New York was getting overrun. Imagine if they didn't put in these lock down measures at all. Do you expect that they would have seen a drop in cases regardless? That is a completely assumption. It all boils down to simple math. How many people get infected from a single infected person. If 1 person infects 3 they infect 3 more. Which is likely the case before social distancing. Then you can see how numbers can quickly reach a health systems capacity..
Also some cases can need ventilators for several weeks.
Finally I will say, its easy to look around the UK now and go, ohh only 20k deaths. That isn't that bad really. (sarcasm)
If it was that bad more people would have died (more sarcasm).
But the reason we have 20k deaths opposed to the modeled 150k deaths had we done nothing. Is due to the rules in place.
And this is the funny part. People don't seem to think that its as much as a problem as its made out to be...
Well it would have been, had we done nothing.
Now do I think lockdown was the only way? I guess time will tell, but we didn't social distance early enough, so the virus was already well rooted so starting social distancing that late may not have been enough.
Again, time will tell, but I'll trust the science on this one. Not the conspiracy theories.
@@Notrollism So the UK is overrun because Spain is overrun? That makes no sense at all. The NHS might be on its knees, but its hardly overrun.
@@dirface There is no reason to think that a virus would act different in the UK than it did in Italy or Spain. So no that isn't what I said, but if we have data that suggests our NHS would be over-run (which we did) then drastic steps needed to be taken. Are you a complete moron?
Also (on its knees) is essentially what over run would be but worse. This whol flattening the curve and keeping it within NHS capacity is exactly what I am talking about. I wonder if something passes the capacity of something. Would they be a good phrase to discribe that? Maybe over flowing? Over run?
Again my point was on the prevention of being overrun, not that the UK already was. The data from Italy, Spain, etc showed the potential..
Such sweet common sense and mutual trust of the people.
I wish I was in Sweeden.
Do no harm! Music to my ears.
Bravo Sweden
Remember?.. the less traveled road...
@Clement Smith explain?
wonder what kind of allen key put those book shelves together?
Admirable. Trust in leadership and a relatively homogeneous population are critical for this policy to function positively. Unfortunately the diversity of minds and political bias make this a impossible in many nations, especially in the USA.
A third of swedes are foreign born. Not that homogeneous yet it works
Lovely!
as he said, sweden has something in our culture that says that if someone is stepping out of line... Like missbehaveing or trying too be a macho guy or showing off, they will be shamed.
I think this works very well as a countermeasure aginst the virus, We keep an eye on people around us or our friends too stay in line.
And as other people say, this may not work in other countrys. But i think sweden made the right decision here... ( i am a swede)
@News i agree with your statement 100%. I think it is so wrong and the goverment is unprepared for this and that will have its consequences later, but i think it is too soon too call this a fail yet, you dont know how all the lockdowns will play out yet do you?
Its fucked up man, but this virus is transmiting so fast its really hard to control it.
And new facts come out everyday about the virus and how it affects people diffrently, scary shit.
@News And also, what i have heard is that we have like 15-20 % room left for critical
patients, so i dont know why they would let people die left and right. But it is true what you say, i have heard about the nursing homes giveing them drugs and shit because they dont have any medical equipment for them and they cant move the critical elder patients because of the risks i guess?
@@Pubbehey1 people in Swedish nursing homes are very old and fragile and can't handle the brutality inherent in ICU care. They don't get it for flu either.
The signature "News" is lying about 60-69 age bracket not receiving ICU, as statics shows they are the most ICU treated group. Also, it's unclear why we need to be compared to Finland rather than Belgium who has 3x more deaths. Why is Finland magically the right comparison?
Sir, i never been there but i love your country
Interesting video! Thank you for the discussion. I am very interested to see what happens in Sweden and I hope it goes well. Here in the US, at least where I am, things are starting to open up. We will see how it goes and how the government will respond.
NOW THAT'S A FREE COUNTRY!!!
The first thing countries needs to do is stop flushing money on the WHO and listen for what to do. 🇨🇳 ⚒🦠☣️
It depends on how you look at the numbers and understand the geography of the country. Having lived in Swedens busiest city with a population that's only recently reached 1million, being there you notice architecture and layout of the city benefits social distancing approaches much better than others for example: New York, Hong Kong or London. Swedish people are very astute when it comes to communities and wellbeing of others which will also support a slow down of the virus spread as mentioned in this video, people there also tend to listen to what's suggested much like people would in Singapore. A great number of Swedish people also have summer houses (If not someone in the family does) which are in very remote places allowing them to exercise social distancing comfortably without government lockdowns allowing WFH away from others. (Why not if you have the option) The total numbers in Sweden are not as high as other countries and they have a world-class healthcare system to support any cases, however, you have to consider the countries full population and death rate so far: Currently (as of when this comment was written) Sweden has a death rate of 0.018% countries population, USA has a 0.014%, UK has 0.027% and Germany has 0.006%. Looking at these figures with numbers still rising we are going to see higher percentages, there is always some form of spin involved. We're all going to learn from this every country has different circumstances. I do like that some nations such as Sweden don't shy away from talking about this or their forwardness regarding approaches they are looking to adopt. Stay safe everyone!!
Very useful and clear information.
I applaud Sweden for its approach.
I'm normally proud to say that I live in the UK but I'm appalled at the UK government's approach to COVID-19; our citizens are, effectively, under house arrest - a human rights violation!
Sweden's citizens are being recognised as adults who are capable of taking responsibility for their own actions.
What if the human body possesses innate intelligence and is capable of self-regulation and healing without medicine? What if, daylight, fresh air, outdoor exercise, social interaction, sleep, lowered anxiety, healthy eating of traditional wholefoods, meditation and fasting, all strengthen our immune system.
What if Sweden's citizens are building immunity by their social activities. What if their resulting mental health, from having freedom, is better than here in the UK.
When borders between neighbouring countries are opened again, those Swedes who've survived, should, by then, have some immunity to COVID-19.
As of 2020-04-27, published figures show deaths from COVID-19, expressed as a percentage of total population, to be as follows: Sweden 0.02% - UK 0.03%.
I'm not trivialising anyone's death but deaths from respiratory problems in the UK in winter 2017/2018 were 0.026% of UK population. (Data source: ONS)
Hang-on, if lockdown is justified, how come the UK is currently doing slightly worse than Sweden?
It looks as though Sweden may emerge from this relatively unscathed. Time will tell.
Love, peace and freedom to all humanity, from a fellow human being, here in what's left of the UK.
this is a better more calm and explanatory informative talk about the corona crisis then anyone i have seen before has given, it shows that people need to look at a lot of facts before its possible to say how something is either the best way or not
Well spoken.
The agency arrangement in Sweden sounds quite interesting: Is there anymore information I could find on that?
Sweden, extraordinary, unique, shows at a terrified world how to act, with the People and not against the People
Not realy, i asked airport of Sweden in January why they are not adding health sevurity checks or closing and they said no governmental agency told them to.
Its not a case of closing or opening with the people, its a case of being afraid of using necessary security measures because ghe government is afraid of either being potrayed as dictatorial, or losing economical benefits of a non lockdown over lives. In this case they chose economy over lives.
Second this video is from 15th of April where he claims its becoming "stable" on cases.. we are now i 21th of April and cases are coming in either at around and below 475 or much higher at 700+.
Please dont belive in everything he is saying as its only situational and not longterm.
Sweden is deteriorating.
the last remaining democracy in this sad world.
We need a transcript of this. LOTS of quotable quotes.
This isn't a transcript, but an article on the same topic by Norberg. reason.com/2020/03/25/despite-coronavirus-sweden-refuses-to-shutter-businesses-and-limit-gatherings/
👍🏽🤝😎 nice country bless you
If restaurants and bars that doesn't follow the recommendations about only serve people at table and don't hold the minimum distance between tables, can and will be shut down of local health care governmental agencies. So yes, they will go.
A good presentation here. even if I don't agree with much The Cato Institute stand for. :-)
I'd like to live there 😞 please, stay free. I'm really scared by the possibility of be lockdowned or anyway be "controlled" in the post-pandemic future. Please, stay free. 💛
An italian girl
Think he pretty much nailed it in this video. Conclusion, Noone knows what path is the right one, that will takes years to gather information about that. Thanks for uploading Johan.
what abo6t responsability ? if you dont know the risks, dont take them. sweden is 10 th place in WORLD dead 9er capita! from corona , soon 9
What we do know is that Sweden has killed more than twice as many people as it needed to compared to the other methods.
@Marius Periwinkle so, in your view, sweden is doing something novel, and therefore dangerous, while those quarantining the healthy are doing so, based on tried and true methods?
@@paddleed6176 you don't know that, you only believe that. just compare swedens deaths/million to italy, france, spain. They have way higher fatalities.
@@ub2bn Because Sweden is behind them. Sweden is following the exact line of Italy.
Tack Johan.
Yes, this is a very matured and responsible way of handling this crisis, but it also largely depends on the trusting relationship between citizens and the politicians and the overall political system. I hope the world take notice of how Sweden is handling the crisis so effectively and learn lessons that would help the world in dealing such crisis more effectively in the future.
"We can't defeat the disease by killing the patient" Pretty much sums it all up.
What ! this person did not get the facts right , please Raghavan vake up and look at the video again.
Your country had some common sense. You don’t need to be completely open nor completely closed.
the fact is that the rest of the world relied on some incredibly wrong/flawed assumptions on mortality rates to do the shut downs. It is now proven to be a gross error.
I dont get why people are obsessed with infected numbers this year, Around 600,000 die from flu every year, no one counts that. This is one of the most gruesome level of human rights violation in the history. But the sad part is most people are supporting it. I wish i was swedish
The world’s reaction to this incident will be in every statistics text book in future. This has been a huge mistake, because people allowed the media to do the statistics analysis on their behalf. The media made people panic, so they all begged their governments to take away their freedoms and prosperity. What dumbasses we are.
Depends on the governing system. If u can't trust ur system t play there part its not gonna have the same good stats
How about revisiting this?
we are obviously so unprepared lol