Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays September Fifteenth: Harmonic Analysis.
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2020
- Dedicated to the memory of Sofia Isabella Wexler.
September Fifteenth by Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays. Harmonic Analysis.
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I've been crying and smiling to this song for 40 years. Listening to you break it down is like dissecting my emotional life since 1980. RIP Lyle.
Simply brilliant. Protect this Man at all cost!
😆 Thanks Mike.
Fantastic again: You tell us, why we love these Lyle and Pat songs - by showing the miracles of composing
Thanks Peter :)
Spellbinding magical analysis from Dr. Guy Shkolnik. Guy shows us, through examples, the level of 'musical tidiness' to which these superb musicians have accustomed us. As someone said below: Protect this man at all costs!
I hope you like San Lorenzo - Up next :) Thanks man :)
The most beautiful song I've known for the past 40 or so years. It has no equals. A truly great musician can move music in directions that aren't found in any lesson books, and make it greater than anybody could have expected. Lyle and Pat are two truly great musician. This song is, in my mind, the most masterfully executed tone poem of all time.
Thank you Dr.Guy for making all these videos about the music of Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays. For many years now I have always thought that their music is so beautiful, profound and unique. Your videos are helping me to understand why this music is so special and different. Also I have to say that when I see your hands flowing in your keyboard, playing all those notes, melodies and cords, you really make it look easy !! But I know this requires great skills and talent. All my respect to you sir , congrats and thanks again.
mr. shkolnik!!! sie sind wirklich unfassbar! das macht einen solchen spaß ihnen zuzuhören und zu verstehen was dieser lyle mays für ein genius war. herzlichen dank dafür!!!
Danke Marcel! :)
Listen, most, if not all, of what you talk about is beyond me, but what we share is a LOVE, and PASSION, for all things Pat Metheny AND Lyle Mays. And even though all I can play on guitar is mostly first position chords, some minor chords and a few 7 chords (thanks John & Paul - Beatles 4 Ever!!!!), I KNOW listening to your videos is making me a better musician. You are MUCH APPRECIATED.
Thank you Mabusha :)
one of the best songs ever made... I miss Lyle so much! Thanks for the deep explaining of a sound that can always make me fly and feel better
This is my favorite track on the album. I am not a musician, I just found the track and all of Pat & Lyle's music to be so interesting and and really transformative, this work especially. Thanks so much for the explanations.
Thank you Gregory, I'm glad you liked it.
Once again, you do not disappoint. Very insightful explanations. Thank you so much for this. Myself and all of my musician friends are stuck at home, but we are face timing and sharing your videos and going over the details of these beautiful compositions.
Once again, Thank you!
Thank you Roland. Say hi to your friends!
adhiero
Dr Guy, thank you for one more amazing video. That piece is probably the most beautiful music ever written and performed and I know this is a very hard statement, but I'll keep it. It is absolutely breathtaking, and it brings tears to my eyes each and every time I listen to it. By the time the LP was released in the early 80's I was about 18, I loved it so much that I was always considering stop listening to it to never ever get into the risk os getting tired of it. At that time I was at my first year in college, and I did not pass in a discipline (the classes started at 7:30 in the morning) because I always started listening to it right before I leave and I could just not stop listening, to the album as a whole and so I was always late... This song is probably the most special ever music in my entire life. Thanks for bringing it, and as always, you played it beautifully! Thanks Lyle Mays (forever) and Pat Metheny! All the best from Brazil!
It happens to me going to the gym: I have one hour left before closing, and 10 minutes later i'm still outside listening to music haha... we love music!
Thank you Cassio and all the best to you too!
Back to the sparkling 80's... just one word: nostalgia! (and I still remember the melody from the first to the last note)
Great music isn't it :)
September 15 1980 is the date of Bill Even passing.
Fantastic analisys of Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays' most beautiful song ever heard.
Congratulations, Dr Shkolnik.
Thank you Murilo !
Brilliant explanation! Thank you! The melody that Lyle plays on the Prophet is one of my favourites. It's such an unexpected interlude and one that connects the two sections so perfectly.
Yes such a brilliant decision to extract that pattern (the “mirage”) from Pat’s part, and use it as the transition part. And on top of that such a spirited melody.
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer I'm assuming Lyle arranged that interlude? If so, it shows perfectly how Lyle can take a motif that Pat wrote and use it in a way to benefit the music. He didn't feel it was necessary to write his own interlude but rather take something that was already there. A complete lack of ego.
@@matt-spaiser Exactly. Have you heard the podcast they made on it? (Apple Music Look for Pat Metheny under Podcasts)
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Yes, I've listened to it a number of times!
Thank you for helping me see into the enchantment of my favorite music....
Thanks Edgar :)
זה אחד הקטעים שאני הכי אוהב בעולם! תודה גיא שבחרת לנתח אותו.
תודה רמי, בשמחה!
Thank you so much. By far, my favorite you tube channel.
Thanks Daniel.
A miraculous homage to another genius. Thanks for showing the details.
It's a pleasure sharing thoughts with people who love this music as much as I do. Thanks Stuart :)
One of my favourite tunes of all time and a great analysis even though it’s completely over my head
I'm glad it made sense Alan , maybe it's not completely over your head after all... :)
Sept 15, heartfelt, tears. Lyle knows where to put the emotion in❤️❤️
Have you listened to his last composition Eberhard? The first part is one of his finest in my opinion.
Dr Guy, absolutely love your Pat Metheny analysis vids. Absolutely beautiful.
Hey Phillip :) Thanks!
Such a great song. I love seeing the harmonic breakdown of this masterpiece. Very well done.
Thank you!
Hi Guy,
"...to be continued" Did you know Lyle?
I have watched many try to analyse Lyle's work and fall short. I love the way you discuss composition intent along side chord structure & movement as well as rhythm etc. Your playing is also very nuanced, even when playing short phrases, which is so important in rendering these pieces of music. I've watch this video many times and never get tired of it. Thanks for care and tenderness when making these videos!
Steve
It's hard to describe what happens when a childhood mystery is unpacked and looked at in the way that you do. Your content is sublime, mesmerizing, and right to the heart.
Saam, these videos come from the heart. I love this music so much, some of it I don't want even to touch... thank you!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer So appreciated. Lyle and Pat opened the doors to me being exposed to Bill Frisell's early liquid playing and then into Steve Reich, so you're helping tap into and illustrate some of the best periods of my musical learning. Curious if you'll do bonus rounds of Patrick Moraz or any of the earlier fusionist and their concept albums. :) Appreciated as always, and riveted. We can all see your love and care of these pieces by the way your hands play them.
Wow! Yet again you open a new world for me in understanding the music I love. Your analyses are nothing short of amazing. Thank you!! תודה רבה!
Thanks for this one, this piece leaves me speechless also, just everything about it is top tier, peak music. Interesting note at the end on melody leading the way too.
Thank you! I was actually watching a movie when I came to this.. maybe a realization about him composing melody first. I think I'm going to be exploring that in the next videos. By the way, another composer that has been coming with crazy chromatic melodies that sound completely natural is Chick Corea. I'm thinking of the first track of the album Duet with Gary burton.
Just listened to it, the intro reminded me of Ozark off Wichita, also a tad bit from Keith Jarrett's Solar March weirdly enough! Must be something in the chord movement there. And around 3:20 or so seconds is a bit like September 15th where Lyle's solo would come in. Will check out more for sure.
I agree with that take on melody driving things. All the chords sound so natural when listening to the melodies. Some unexpected turns, for sure, but that's why we love it!
Thanks!
Thanks Daniel
Wow, I’m blown away at your analysis. Pat and Lyle are my favorite musicians of all time and you help me appreciate them even more.
Thanks Steven :)
Dónde quieras que estés Lyle Mays...!! Gracias por este recuerdo Maestro..!!
Gracias Jorge Luis, saludos!
One of my favorite songs ever, and you have explained it perfectly! Thank you! I needed you as my professor growing up! Brilliant.
Really love the way you describe this music. It's about an experience, not a map. And I agree about the melody driving things, and the chords just follow along naturally, if unexpectedly, along the way. That's why we love this music, and you do a beautiful job of articulating the experience of it. I look forward to getting more time to dig into these compositions. i've had the Metheny book for years and have played through it, but your videos are getting me excited to get back into them and dig in more deeply. Best wishes!
Pat has always said that for him it's melody first. A day before making the video I was like wait a minute... what does that say about the harmony? Btw do you know 'The Whopper'? another early one by Pat...
It very well may be the most beautiful song these guys ever wrote.
Thank you.
So full of emotion and intention amazing piece. I’m glad you enjoyed the video 🙏
Thank you very much Sir. This is one of my favourite songs ever. I've listened to their podcast about this song, but you've gone further to elucidate what's going on "beneath the hood". I enjoyed that interesting tangent that you took at 6:08 - 6:15, which sounds so familiar that I can almost recognize it from another song...or perhaps I feel my mind wonder towards what else this song could also possibly have been; also, that G-B acceleration segment (3:11 - 3:45) with the full reveal is hypnotizing! Truly, it is a gift to be able to break down music this way. This is a hallowed gift. Thanks again for honouring my request. I am humbled
Richard, I feel blessed to share my love for this music with someone who loves just as much. Thank you.
Richardiba which podcast?
@@brandesswallace3923 September 15th commentary. Available on Pat's website.
www.pmmediafiles2.com/podcasts/september_15th_commentary.mp3
A brilliant breakdown of one of my favorite songs ever written.
Amazing, thanks for this. This piece is one of the special ones.
Thank you, I was just watching your Shlomo Yidov Song - with the guitar part and everything.. :)
What is amazing about Lyle and Pat is they compose music that tells a more vivid and compelling story than can he told with words. I remember listening to this, not yet knowing it was written for Bill Evans. My mom walks into my room, cocks her head , listened for just seconds and said "Wow, this was written for someone important" and walked out
Thank you
My pleasure :)
Dr. Guy. Thanks for your ❤️ as my heart aches with almost every PM or LM comp. Your analysis makes my heart know where it comes from
Thanks Trevor 🙏
Thank you for such an in-depth analysis, I am a pianist/keyboardist myself, and it's such a joy to see your videos, not only Lyle but also Herbie and Chick, and others. I was so please to see Beato sharing this song as one of the most beautiful songs ever, but you brought to the next level for us piano players going in depth from a pianist's perspective. Keep up the excellent work!
Thank you so much! It’s such a unique piece of music isn’t it…
Indeed it is, couldn’t stop listening to it in the late 80s when I was still a teenager. I’m from December 73. It gained extra weight of appreciation since later I was introduced to Bill Evans whose music also has a special place in my heart. Going back to this master piece which has probably my favorite piano solo of all time, would love for you to walk us through it, the way you normally take us by the hand like little children step by step. A warm hug, I immediately contacted my father and shared your wonderful channel with him. And I agree with you, the melody dictates the harmony of the song. Warm regards! God bless you!
I've discovered your videos a few days ago and I must say I love them.
What a wonderful teacher you are.Not only for theory and all the rest but most of all for how you teach.
You bring so much emotion in it....it moves me a lot! Sincerely!
You bring a breathe of life in everything I've heard of you.Spirituality is the word that comes to me.
Beautiful to hear and watch!
I should have loved having a teacher like you.
Anyway thanks so much!
Really inspiring!
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Thank you :) Basically in this videos me saying "look how beautiful it is"...
La Sua spiegazione, Dr. Guy Shkolnik, è poetica quasi quanto l'armonia di Lyle Mays che ci emoziona ed incanta! Un saluto cordiale dal sud Italia. G R A Z I E !!!
Amazing video buddy!
Gracias amigo!
This song exists in the zone between dreaming and being awake.
I feel the same way about it. And the last part was completely improvised in the studio.
my favourite
Same here! :)
As brilliant a sharing of the experience as the composition itself. Bravo!
Thank you Rueben!
One of my favourite PM/LM tunes. Also nice that you pointed out that idea which is also in Better days ahead (which was written 2 years later). Never noticed that as such. Regarding following the melody to derive a chord progression, I believe that's a thing he picked up from Ornette. There are some tunes on Song X which were written that way.
The thing about Better Days ahead is that he "imported" the whole progression, including the Eb/Gb chord, that doesn't really lead to the Ebm7 - but still sounds pretty charming :) Pat writing has been influenced by Ornette. That's true. He's still way more harmonically oriented though.
Wonderful, as always, Guy! Thanks for posting this! :-)
Hey Jim! Thank you :)
This is amazing. Thank you for this video!!!
Thank you very much, Eduardo!
This is incredible. Thank you sir.
Simply, Thanks.
your playing is beautiful as is your metaphorical analysis. new sub. take care.
Thank you so much! And welcome to the channel!
I just love your analysis of the notes and melody and how they tie to a description of feelings and purpose. I love jazz music, Pat and Lyle. Although I am illiterate in reading music, music is such a part of my life. For many years I always attributed a very specific note of the song at around 2:17 when Pat strikes this beautiful, delicate high note in isolation. It has always reminded me of a teardrop that lands on the ground. I always thought of this high note pluck as the culminated realization of loss as the teardrop splatters. What a beautiful dedication to the memory of Mr. Evans Pat and Lyle did!
It was on December 5th of 2021 when my beautiful 16-year-old daughter took her life. Sadly, she lost the battle of depression even though my wife and I tried everything possibly to help her. That teardrop, I now dedicate to her. And my goal now is to try to learn September 15th song somehow, someway on my daughter's Casio keyboard that I bought for her as Christmas gift just recently in 2020.
Thank you Dr. Guy for all you do on your channel; it's very meaningful.
Steve, I'm so, so sorry for your loss... So sorry. What was her name? I want to dedicate this video to her.
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Dr. Guy, her name was Sofia Isabella Wexler. It's so hard sometimes to get through life without her. She was just starting to show her skills and talents playing some classical pieces on her Casio. Dr. Guy, I was so proud of her. Tonight at 11:30pm I felt compelled to listen to your September Fifteenth study ( for probably the 4th time now because it gives me such peace and appreciation. It was tonight when I realized your reply, which left me in tears. Thank you for your dedication and thoughts. I am just humbly taken back by the kindness of so many good hearts in this world who care and feel something of another person's pain and grief. Thank you, as I put my hand on my heart. Thank you deeply and forever.
@@stevew5146 Steve I’m so sorry for your loss man… This video is dedicated now to the memory of your daughter.
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Thank you Dr. Guy. Thank you for your compassion and dedication of your video.
Have been a PMG fan since late 1970's when I was a teenager. Have seen the group live and Pat Metheny's side projects dozens and dozens of times. In the past year or two I've left them alone, having listened so many hundreds of times to their body of work that it was becoming stale to me. I've been finding more and more other artists on UA-cam that have me captivated (currently Hiromi Uehara's amazing piano mastery). I've been spending a lot of time the past two years studying music theory. I spend a lot of time on Rick Beato's channel (free plug). I don't even know how/why your channel came up on my feed but I am devouring your content! Thank you so much for putting your work out here. I'm envious of your knowledge and skills. I greatly appreciate what you are doing. The COVID-19 quarantine has given me time to watch a lot more UA-cam videos than normal. Yours really enrich my soul. Thanks again!
Hi Peter, thank you so much for sharing this with me.
I’m glad you found this channel. I don’t know why but in recent weeks
I feel like getting more into their early stuff, how it all started.
So the. Ext video will be on San Lorenzo. You’re always invited
To share your thoughts here. Thanks, Guy.
Another absolutely enthralling analysis! I confess I’m not sure whether I should be here at all. I’m just a crap amateur pop pianist, and can’t even sightread! Luckily though I have a good ear and can grasp just enough about Guy’s brilliant videos to begin to understand why the compositions of my keyboard hero Lyle Mays, with or without Pat (who I admit is not too shabby himself!), sound so distinctively creative and beautiful. Thank you again Guy...
This is what I love hearing, that my theory explanations make sense to musicians with or without being a theory expert theory. A good ear is a good ear. Thank you! :)
When the key tonality changes so does the musical mood get uplifted !
Absolutely!
Can't thank you enough. Truly brilliant and insightful overview. I look forward to hearing your continued analysis of this piece.
Hey Laurie! Thank you for letting me know that you liked the video :) I'm making videos on other subjects but I do have some more planned on PMG music :)
Fantastic! Thank you so much for taking this dull minded musician through this great great piece of music!
Dope brother! I miss Lyle but this makes me think of him
Thanks man, I miss him too.
Brilliantly explained, thanks!
Thank you Joaquin :)
Gracias genio por este trabajo de análisis! Exquisito!
Muchas gracias Gonzalo :)
The best! another brilliant video bro!
Hey Guy, another great video. I was thinking that a great idea for a video would be a list/run-through of Metheny’s compositional habits , those techniques that recur in many of his songs (ways he modulates, secondary dominants, modal mixtures, and any others you have noticed). Keep up this amazing work!
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Thank you! Yes, absolutely that is my plan for the next videos, going through the habits of leading composers. In the case of Pat, I'm going to start thinking of this melody first type of writing and go through some harmonic characteristics.
It would have been great to have him on one of the videos to talk about these things...
Dr. Guy Shkolnik Composer yeah! I always wonder whether if Pat was being interviewed and suddenly he was asked lots of theory questions whether he would get bored or would get really excited? We’ll never know!
@@fred8097 I think Pat would love to be able to get technical. Just like with "The Orchestrion", he kept telling people what he was setting out to do, but in the end he just had to show them. Pat (as he stated in the "We Live Here Tour") thinks he's best at being a good listener as the music evolves. I think he and Dr. Shkolnik would have an interesting conversation.
Thanks again. ❤ just magic
Amazing analysis of an amazing piece of music, and I really love your piano playing!
I'm glad to hear that, thank you very much :)
Amazing. Thank you...
I'm not a musician, but the transition at 5:41 is beyond words. Thanks for the video -- subscribed.
Thank you very much! Glad to have you on the channel! :)
I love your explanation of this beautiful piece of music. As a simple amateur guitarist I wouldn't stand a chance trying to play it in its entirety, but if I only picked up a few phrases I would be immensly pleased with myself. Thankyou.
My pleasure Mike. Do it! learn to play it! :)
Thanks love this tune! Lyle at his best!
Amazing
Thank you Ricardo!
Beautiful
Thank you so much!
Looking forward to the continuation... 🙂
The Metheny Mays Project has been completed (I made over 50 videos on their music! 😅). I'm glad you liked this one :)
This song is the most wonderfull music that I ear
It's a great piece Julio 🙌
I don’t think I ever heard a song with this many chords.
Thank you!!!!
My pleasure! I’m glad you liked the video! 🙏
Maravilloso Dr.! 🎶🎵 espero que estés bien; gracias por tus explicaciones! 🇨🇷
Gracias Gerardo, lo mismo para ti!
Very interesting, thank you!
Thanks Christophe! My Pleasure!
brilliant as usal
Thanks, Ricky! This and the one on San Lorenzo are my favorites of the whole series :)
These are perhaps the most insightful breakdowns of the Lyle Mayes techniques on the piano. It’s clear that the PMG was without the contributions of Lyle Mays’ would have been something altogether different.
Thank you, Rick!
And yes, Altogether different!
Great Video. I´d look a more detailed version with pleasure. Keep on grooving and like to see more pat/lyle analysis
Wonderful 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇧🇷
Obrigado Emerson
Wow, you are a master, and I pray you are safe
Thanks Trevor! I’m still standing 😊🙏❤️
Great stuff again , like the videos before :-)
Thank you Ruud :)
As usual, marvellous description of this fantastic tune. I play this tune in show on guitar solo and it would be interesting to talk about your final quote. I am not completely sure that the melody was the only leading tone. I think they have tried several combinations and there is a little part of chance too. Like "wow listen to this chord, I have just made by mistake"... When you compose (especially late at night when you are tired lol) you come with some "happy few" under your fingers which are not expected... I think the A/G# And A/G are like that and he tried the D minor after and wow ! it works.. But that's an interpretation.. only two people know the truth... well now only one... and it is better we don't know. Just enjoy a masterpiece. Thanks Guy.
Thanks a lot, man and I see what you mean, we all had them night sessions... but we're talking 20 Grammy awards here... There's more to that than just happy mistakes. It's a vision.
sorry... there are no mistakes here, happy or otherwise. :-)
@@legosteveb Lol of course there are no mistakes and of course there is a vision. I was talking about happy few moments. By the way we don't care it is perfect :)
very clever as usual! Workin on close to home at the moment ;)
Great observations about great music. You can take me for a ride in your musical Tardis any time, Doctor!
Thanks Ted! :)
Always amazing Dr.! It would be great if you at some point you would do an overview of "Something to remind you". I hear elements of Marvin Gaye's music in the orchestration. Best!
Thanks Richard, I'll look into it :)
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Much appreciated Dr.!! I'm working from home and i listen to your vids everyday, they get me through the day and they're very inspiring. looking forward to your next video/s. I play mostly guitar, so when you
show the chords it's always a treat. Best of everything! rbs
my absolute favorite pat/lyle track, they really did evans a tribute with this one rip to them both
As always, Guy. :)
September fifteenth...
Ave! :-)
Thank you Marciek :)
Por favor... la siguiente parte!!
Amazing! Would you be able to make an analysis of the song “Something to Remind You”? It’s one of my favorite Pat Metheny Group songs, and my ears are having a rough time transcribing past the intro of the tune. I don’t normally comment on YT videos, but I wanted to also thank you for the amazing content!
Amazing analysis. Thank you for sharing your insights. Just a little side note, that opening reminds me a bit of the beginning of Ravel's 'Pavanne Pur Une Infant Defunte', not the notes themselves or the motif, but the tone, mood and feeling that it evokes, how it sets up a certain emotional scenario... I have an impression that Lyle and Pat were a bit influenced by Ravel/ Debussy when they wrote this piece. I don't know if you agree...
Oh yes, there seems to be a direct link to Ravel there… and thank you! :)
... to be continued? yeahhhhh Dr
Jazz has always mystified me but some Pat Metheny albums like As Falls Wichita I have liked for many years.
I know what you're saying. These albums are not about improvising variations. They are not even about playing. As fall Wichita is a thing. Something that can't be described in words.
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Maybe that's why I can enjoy them unlike most jazz. That's an intriguing description. I'm not even sure I understand that.
Great...
I follow all your lessons. I love this song. Could you say something about the intro warm-pad too?
Lyle talks about it in the Podcast from the series "About The Music" by Pat Metheny. It is on apple music, look for it it's great! Thank you!
Great video on one of my favorite songs. But what has it to do with Bill Evans? Is Lyle making a musical reference to Evans? I know nothing about piano. But I used to listen to Marion McPartland. She talked a lot about the styles of different pianists. Fats Waller Stride, Duke Ellington Blues ect. Also her guests would say their piano is based or influenced by others. Like Diana Krall says Oscar Peterson is her hero. Norah Jones says she is all about Bill Evans. I don't need to know what they are talking about to enjoy their playing. But I am curious how this influence manifests in their music.
Maj 7's are bright and hopeful yet somehow nostalgic...
yes they are... there's an Em chord hidden in there, Also, I always thought of Am7 less minor than Am...
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer Amazing! Am7 and Am7/9 are way less minor