In a Sci-fi series I'm working on, where thrust is used as the means of gravity like the Expanse or Sojourn, two systems for inertia damping, and to a limited capacity, generate an artificial gravity, one using sound, the other uses ions.
Yeah, it's quite satisfying to see a concept for artificial gravity, which doesn't accidentally create an "infinite acceleration well" and proceed to ignore such a phenomenon, which inevitably would occur with a "mono directional" artificial gravity generator...
As an engineering student I would expect them to flow boiling a fluid such as water through the plates to aid with gravity plate cooling during high G maneuvers or as a method to get more gravity out of less drifft sustainably without degrading it. This could also be used to generate power.
this is pretty much how I always imagined innertial dampening working in any sci-fi setting which doesn't address on-bard gravity directly. The part about resistive heating is a very nice touch and brings a lot of realism to an otherwise completely fictional (but very well thought out) technology. This is a limitation that makes so much sense and provides interesting restrictions on spacecraft design. The sojourn is one of the most self-consistent pieces of science-fiction I've encountered
It's not often we get some of the science behind Inertial Dampening. Inertial Dampeners are typically some narrative handwave instead of an actual piece of the lore and I love this!
So, in other words, using Drift to create true artificial gravity for a ship, such as with the _Guinivere_ and certain luxury cruise liners, is prohibitively expensive due to the large amounts of Drift required and the complex systems needed to prevent burnout. Meanwhile, inertial dampeners are cheaper and more widespread, especially in the military, but they can't be used for long periods due to the more simplistic systems, making burnout a very real possibility.
That's not what I heard in this video. Skip to 2:44 It is mentioned there are 2 versions of this gravitic plate technology. Steady state and inertial dampeners. If what I think I heard is right, steady state are the expensive ones where the plating is huge to cover a large area, hence it's used to give the 1G acceleration for gravity. Meanwhile inertial dampeners are used sparingly and are small (likely covering a seat worth of area) due to needing to generate huge G loads during high G burns to counter it. This huge loads will cause strain on the system if used with huge G load (hence power load) variance and on huge plates. Hence the inertial dampeners are small. Meanwhile the steady state one can be huge since it's generating a consistent and steady G load (likely 1G) so it will not burn out (due to lack of variance and steady load) easily.
I love all the little details in this world, everyone else would have just handwaved such things away, but evisioning future technologies like this is one of my favourite things about sci-fi
Interesting, I've been writing up my own story and before i went ahead and got more familiar with The Sojourn stuff, i had a simliar concept set up, basically floor plates and in place of Drift, they used high density materials Really awesome how well thought out everything is for the Sojourn! And Paragravity is just awesome sounding.
So this means that heat management is also tied directly to inertial dampeners as well right? A ship that can rapidly decrease the temperature for its dampeners can use them longer without a burnout.
Basically yes as a fan of the sojourn watching a vid on drift is obviously the material doesn't like high heat or else the atomic structure starts to degrade and the material could become useless however for drift gates it's different as they could operate at 100 percent efficiency without the worry of the generation of heat
So, how is momentum conserved? If you have mono-direction gravity and therefore force applied, how do you stop this from greating drive forces. Because otherwise the ship will start drifting (pun totaly intended). Good for making inertial drives, not so good on ships that want to fly a predictable course and save fuel.
The paragravitic field couples the objects within to the PDCs themselves; all forces applied to objects within the field have an equal and opposite reaction on the gravity plating. It's why Drift Drives work; the extra paragravitic "kick" to the propellant causes an equal and opposite reaction on the ship. Momentum is always conserved.
how do inertial dampeners work in our fav sci-fi ships? dunno, but this does feel so good. the sooner we get rockhounds into space the sooner we get real drift tech.
In theory the weaponisation of Drift is banned under a treaty?/piece of legislation called the Carida Concordance, but as mentioned by the above commenter, the Battle of the Atamara Crossroads was about stopping a rogue Union fleet from using a drift gate as a transrelativistic mass driver to hit Centrum with an asteroid or something along those lines.
On top them being banned, I am pretty sure that drift based guns are simply infeasible compared to normal coil- or railguns as the market price of drift is very high and drift elements in a weapon would most likely burn out quickly, driving the manufacturing and maintenance costs way up compared to the alternatives
Damn it, I always complained about the concept of "gravity plating" in the floors of starships, but you figured out a sci-fi logical way to explain it. Great work!
As an engineering student I would expect them to flow boiling a fluid such as water through the plates to aid with gravity plate cooling during high G maneuvers or as a method to get more gravity out of less drifft sustainably without degrading it. This could also be used to generate power.
I wonder if there's any other settings that have such well thought out systems for artificial gravity and inertial dampening. I really like this system.
Has anyone used this material to build a half-life-style gravity gun? Are there any applications for using drift plating in a burst configuration as a means of deflecting incoming physical projectiles?
No, the fields generated by Drift cannot be "projected" - in coils, they are generated on the centre of the ring; in DPCs, between plates. There are edge effects like with real magnetic and electric fields, of course, but there's no practical way to employ them. Hence why The Sojourn lacks anti-gravity cars, tractor beams and gravity-based shields.
@@GabrielGABFonseca Fair enough. Though the anti-grav cars sounds like it would be possible (make the other plate being the entire road). Just so stupidly expensive that no one could ever build it for even a one horse town, let alone any kind of city. I suppose the best chance at designing a deflector would then be a pair of bent arms that each have a plate on them that the ship holds out to basically generate a field between the "hands" and try to and deflect an incoming mass projectile to the side (the arms being bent so it doesn't just deflect it into its own elbow). Would still be stupidly expensive since you'd need the dampener type fields for that, which can burn out easily from the type of use that would be needed to deflect a round by that much. Also having a pair of giant arms on your ship would probably wreck havoc with its center of mass being centered/predictable.
They mentioned a toroidal arrangement of drift used in drift drives, and the Guenevere cross section on the Patreon calls out a drift lattice in the engine cone of the drift drive.
Huh neat, tend to figure IDamps/IComps are black magic and just work because the setting requires it to, even in the Honorverse which does explain, kinda, of how they work doesn't go into nearly as much detail as this.
Really like this explanation of artificial gravity. It may be too late to ask, but do these drift plates have any system to cool them down to stave of burnout?
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In a Sci-fi series I'm working on, where thrust is used as the means of gravity like the Expanse or Sojourn, two systems for inertia damping, and to a limited capacity, generate an artificial gravity, one using sound, the other uses ions.
As a physics student I find it very satisfying that drift gravity basically behaves just like an electric field between two capacitor plates
Yeah, it's quite satisfying to see a concept for artificial gravity, which doesn't accidentally create an "infinite acceleration well" and proceed to ignore such a phenomenon, which inevitably would occur with a "mono directional" artificial gravity generator...
They have to have a Drift Engineer on their team. This is too well executed!
As an engineering student I would expect them to flow boiling a fluid such as water through the plates to aid with gravity plate cooling during high G maneuvers or as a method to get more gravity out of less drifft sustainably without degrading it. This could also be used to generate power.
I wonder if there are any applications for liquid drift systems
@@MarionetteDuAuguste The Patreon Guinevere cross sections shows that drift drives use a drift-water solution, which is then exhausted as remass.
On today's episode of Pimp My Spaceship
42 t.v. units, accent lighting, and a subwoofer that shakes the next star system.
@@cmdraftbrn Which is double impressive cause there's no sound in space
@@cmdraftbrnthe light year subwoofer is basically just broad-band jamming lol
this is pretty much how I always imagined innertial dampening working in any sci-fi setting which doesn't address on-bard gravity directly. The part about resistive heating is a very nice touch and brings a lot of realism to an otherwise completely fictional (but very well thought out) technology. This is a limitation that makes so much sense and provides interesting restrictions on spacecraft design. The sojourn is one of the most self-consistent pieces of science-fiction I've encountered
Had been wondering how inertia dampeners worked in this universe.
It's not often we get some of the science behind Inertial Dampening. Inertial Dampeners are typically some narrative handwave instead of an actual piece of the lore and I love this!
Ha, so Drift in ships to people of Tantalus is what pepper in food is to British people, they put in everything
Well, the Assembly is just the space British…
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wanna see space freighter designs.
So, in other words, using Drift to create true artificial gravity for a ship, such as with the _Guinivere_ and certain luxury cruise liners, is prohibitively expensive due to the large amounts of Drift required and the complex systems needed to prevent burnout. Meanwhile, inertial dampeners are cheaper and more widespread, especially in the military, but they can't be used for long periods due to the more simplistic systems, making burnout a very real possibility.
Yep
That's not what I heard in this video.
Skip to 2:44
It is mentioned there are 2 versions of this gravitic plate technology. Steady state and inertial dampeners.
If what I think I heard is right, steady state are the expensive ones where the plating is huge to cover a large area, hence it's used to give the 1G acceleration for gravity.
Meanwhile inertial dampeners are used sparingly and are small (likely covering a seat worth of area) due to needing to generate huge G loads during high G burns to counter it. This huge loads will cause strain on the system if used with huge G load (hence power load) variance and on huge plates. Hence the inertial dampeners are small.
Meanwhile the steady state one can be huge since it's generating a consistent and steady G load (likely 1G) so it will not burn out (due to lack of variance and steady load) easily.
And a very details and we'll thought out method for why it's not on every ship.
I love all the little details in this world, everyone else would have just handwaved such things away, but evisioning future technologies like this is one of my favourite things about sci-fi
Interesting, I've been writing up my own story and before i went ahead and got more familiar with The Sojourn stuff, i had a simliar concept set up, basically floor plates and in place of Drift, they used high density materials Really awesome how well thought out everything is for the Sojourn! And Paragravity is just awesome sounding.
So this means that heat management is also tied directly to inertial dampeners as well right? A ship that can rapidly decrease the temperature for its dampeners can use them longer without a burnout.
Basically yes as a fan of the sojourn watching a vid on drift is obviously the material doesn't like high heat or else the atomic structure starts to degrade and the material could become useless however for drift gates it's different as they could operate at 100 percent efficiency without the worry of the generation of heat
@@andrewreynolds912why? Space isn’t a good conductor
@@alessiogiovannetti513 does mean u can radiate stuff out into space using radiation
@@andrewreynolds912 yes, but isn’t there still the risk of overheating?
@alessiogiovannetti513 it depends on what kind of radiator it uses
Loved today's lore video!
What the heck am I listening to? This is so amazingly well thought out and geeky, I love it.
Is this a game or something?
No, it’s for an audio drama
So, how is momentum conserved? If you have mono-direction gravity and therefore force applied, how do you stop this from greating drive forces. Because otherwise the ship will start drifting (pun totaly intended). Good for making inertial drives, not so good on ships that want to fly a predictable course and save fuel.
The paragravitic field couples the objects within to the PDCs themselves; all forces applied to objects within the field have an equal and opposite reaction on the gravity plating.
It's why Drift Drives work; the extra paragravitic "kick" to the propellant causes an equal and opposite reaction on the ship. Momentum is always conserved.
how do inertial dampeners work in our fav sci-fi ships? dunno, but this does feel so good. the sooner we get rockhounds into space the sooner we get real drift tech.
This is the first time I've seen an explanation of inertial dampener! Thank you!
not usually a fan of artificial gravity in somewhat realistic settings, but this is really well though out !
is drift also used for weapons ?
Ever heard of the battle of the Atamara Crossroads?
Whole point of that battle was to stop the Union from weaponising a drift gate
In theory the weaponisation of Drift is banned under a treaty?/piece of legislation called the Carida Concordance, but as mentioned by the above commenter, the Battle of the Atamara Crossroads was about stopping a rogue Union fleet from using a drift gate as a transrelativistic mass driver to hit Centrum with an asteroid or something along those lines.
Yes you could have graviticly boosted coilguns or warheads that use gravitational distortions to do damage.
On top them being banned, I am pretty sure that drift based guns are simply infeasible compared to normal coil- or railguns as the market price of drift is very high and drift elements in a weapon would most likely burn out quickly, driving the manufacturing and maintenance costs way up compared to the alternatives
I imagine not. It would be like making a battleship gun out of pure tungsten. It's obnoxiously expensive for little real gain.
That was a surprisingly satisfying explanation
Damn it, I always complained about the concept of "gravity plating" in the floors of starships, but you figured out a sci-fi logical way to explain it. Great work!
As an engineering student I would expect them to flow boiling a fluid such as water through the plates to aid with gravity plate cooling during high G maneuvers or as a method to get more gravity out of less drifft sustainably without degrading it. This could also be used to generate power.
That's an interesting take, depends on if Drift rusts quickly, or if it does at all.
I wonder if there's any other settings that have such well thought out systems for artificial gravity and inertial dampening. I really like this system.
Has anyone used this material to build a half-life-style gravity gun? Are there any applications for using drift plating in a burst configuration as a means of deflecting incoming physical projectiles?
No, the fields generated by Drift cannot be "projected" - in coils, they are generated on the centre of the ring; in DPCs, between plates.
There are edge effects like with real magnetic and electric fields, of course, but there's no practical way to employ them. Hence why The Sojourn lacks anti-gravity cars, tractor beams and gravity-based shields.
@@GabrielGABFonseca Fair enough. Though the anti-grav cars sounds like it would be possible (make the other plate being the entire road). Just so stupidly expensive that no one could ever build it for even a one horse town, let alone any kind of city.
I suppose the best chance at designing a deflector would then be a pair of bent arms that each have a plate on them that the ship holds out to basically generate a field between the "hands" and try to and deflect an incoming mass projectile to the side (the arms being bent so it doesn't just deflect it into its own elbow).
Would still be stupidly expensive since you'd need the dampener type fields for that, which can burn out easily from the type of use that would be needed to deflect a round by that much. Also having a pair of giant arms on your ship would probably wreck havoc with its center of mass being centered/predictable.
Very well thought out
infinitely cool lore
Does the setting have acceleration drugs like the juice in the expanse?
Nope, just exercise regimens, the DPCs, and failing that, the good-will of whatever deity you believe in.
Daaammmnn, good material :)
This is really, really good!
That's awesome!!!
I am curious how is drift used to boost engines, can't exactly put second plate in the exhaust's path
It would be awesome to see the mechanics behind drift drives.
They mentioned a toroidal arrangement of drift used in drift drives, and the Guenevere cross section on the Patreon calls out a drift lattice in the engine cone of the drift drive.
Huh neat, tend to figure IDamps/IComps are black magic and just work because the setting requires it to, even in the Honorverse which does explain, kinda, of how they work doesn't go into nearly as much detail as this.
Turns out some of the ships have artificial gravity. That explains the weird designs
Cool!
Would another gravitic field induce an electric field in drift like ferrous metals do with magnetism?
So using drift to power drift?
@@youtubepleb That's one option, though I'm talking about the reversibility aspect, namely converting a gravitic field into a electromagnetic field.
Really like this explanation of artificial gravity. It may be too late to ask, but do these drift plates have any system to cool them down to stave of burnout?
We call them radiators.
@@youtubepleb I guess yeah. Wasn't thinking about it
Can go into hypersleep if there's no inertial dampening.
Please have a round of shame for the single disliker on this video 🔔
Alright, no more comparisons with The Expanse
Hmmmmmm. Yup. That makes sense.
I wonder what would happen if Hitman 1 had a ship like this? Wonder what nonsense he'd come up with.
Project Wingman reference to anyone wondering.
Yeah if you showed this to Isaac Newton he would believe that this is real.🤣
Ive missed Daniel's voice
all im hearing is that this could be a game with extensive lore. please tell me theres a game in the works
A Homeworld- / Empire at War-style strategy game with the aesthetics of the "Battle of Addicus" video would be really cool, ngl
Booo space magic! Im joking