@@Nerobyrne both wrote stories, and Oscar never stole his wife's work. She wrote articles for the magazine he was in charge of, and that's only one way he was supportive. Both of them were for a dress reform of women finally being allowed to wear trousers. So no, sexism came from the society around her, but not from him.
According to legend, some miners decided to have a bit of fun by getting him drunk down a mine. In the end, he was the one to have to help them out, commenting that they were foolish to think they could drink more whisk(e) than an Irishman.
While on this tour, Oscar Wilde visited a mining town out west and gave one of those lectures on beauty and aesthetics. Most of the miners fell asleep and didn't think much of him, so they decided to have some fun with him. They invited him to eat and drink with them the next night IN THE MINE. They were going to get him blackout drunk, take all the lanterns, and leave him in the dark to find his way out. Instead, he drank every last one of them under the table then had to carry every miner back out. No bullshit, actually happened.
He was not so much famous as viciously mocked on his tour of America. The press caricatured him as various animals and even a black minstrel. They hated him. People went to see him though.
I can’t be the only one who got to know about him due to his book “The canterville ghost” . My school made us write a 10 page review on it in 12th grade.
I saw someone yesterday who looked and was dressed EXACTLY like him. Same face, same hair style, and was wearing a big fur coat. I was stunned. I nearly turned my car around to go by him again but saw him walk into a private building in my mirror.
I love Oscar Wilde! About to write a comparative essay with The Picture of Dorian Gray as one of the novels funnily enough. Didn’t know this! Thank you :]
Omg are you Irish!? The comparative! Dang is the picture of Dorian grey in the list this year? My teacher chose Emma 😭 I was always so upset we couldn't do better texts for the comparative! She even put our Shakespeare as the comparative!
I recently fell in love with him again after reading the ballad of reading gaol and de profundis, I cried a few times reading that and it’s now one of my all time favourite books, I highly recommend it to anyone who is even mildly interested in him, there’s a great reading of it on here somewhere at reading gaol and the guy reading it is amazing, I had to listen to it on 1.5x as it was a bit too slow for me but it’s really worth watching/listening to! He does a 4 hour (I think? 🤔) reading of it in its entirety ❤
Absolutely love that man. I believe we'd have been good friends his early poetry is actually really good for it being 'early' works. "The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about"
I saw a production of The Importance of Being Earnest at the Old Globe theatre in San Diego years ago, and it was one of the most delightful theatre going experiences I’ve ever had. Wilde’s legacy is alive and well in the US, but the play that was mocking him seems mostly forgotten. I love that somehow, even now, he is still having that last laugh. What a legend. 😂👏🏼
Now, this is weird! Ive got THE HAPPY PRINCE playing on dvr this very minute! I love, love, love that movie!! I havent seen the Stephen Fry version. Im sure its just as good!! Ill met by moonlight, proud Titania!
I knew this lol, I am a huge fan of Oscar Wilde‘s work and when I was in high school in 2008 my senior year and my final project for my English class I did my subject on Oscar Wilde. There’s also that sketch from Monty pythons flying circus talking about how were the Oscar Wilde is played by Graham Norton.
I'm not sure he was technically _gay_ but yes he became notorious for the trial on grounds of homosexuality. Although, given the ages of some of the witnesses, he's a highly problematic character to say the least
We would not call them legally children and the age of consent is 16 in UK. And to be honest we actually don’t know what happend. What pretty much happend is that the witness in the trail were forced to testify against Oscar and of course they did so, bc firstly they were paid and secondly there were evidences against them too. And Shelley was for sure lying in the curt. Oscar actually wrote to friend that he had nothing to do with the absolutely most accusations but could never tell the truth, bc that would mean that Bosie would face charges. And this time Oscar wanted to protected him of all cost- It seems absurd after what they went trough. All the abuse. And Robbie denied to have any sexual or romantic relationship with Oscar but we are still portraying it in media all the time.
@@luc716 I think is issue is that there was a debate in parliament about all this in 1999 and they concluded he was having sex with minors and therefore can't be pardoned
I am reading the picture of Dorian Gray right now and in Chapter 3 they go on about America and one character said "I wish to goodness it never had been discovered at all!" while the other said "The Americans are extremely interesting people. They are absolutely reasonable." As an american myself, I too wish it never was discovered and laughed at the fact that we are "Reasonable." (Spoiler, we aint XD)
As someone who has lived a lot of places, I can assure you that people are batshit insane wherever you go, they just cope with it and express it in different ways. I live in the NL, and Americans are always alarmed to know how violent football hooligans can get out here, for example. Don’t even get me STARTED on how racist and xenophobic Europeans can be. People are people wherever you go!
I was just thinking - he really was comparable to a modern UA-camr. Got known by just putting himself and his charisma out there. Later was able to use his platform to manifest a career writing plays. That's 1 in 3 UA-camrs. Expect they're writing screen-plays.
Wtf how'd you get that interpretation? Jokes that are referential require people to know the reference. That doesn't mean anything got dumbed down. What a weird take
@The plural is actually "asparageese". dude, it's basically it. Like Shakespeare had to be dumbed down for most of the countries and people still don't get it because it depicted a phenomenon not known for that place. Take "the taming of the shrew", it was a multiple layer joke. It's OK for a place not to understand about another places humor, we see it all the time nowadays, specially with memes. When I say "that's sad" it's mostly because that's a very low starting point.
@@sarahisatitagain ... Naming a completely unrelated example that _does_ fit what you're complaining about, doesn't magically make your complaint have anything to do with the video. Your reply doesn't even have anything to do with my point, ffs I never said dumbing down of content doesn't happen at all, I said IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. This is like when people accidentally comment on the wrong thread except it's like you accidentally commented on the wrong video, how the heck can you watch something and then pretend it says something completely different? Nothing got dumbed down for anyone with regards to Oscar Wilde being satirized in a play. The USian audience just didn't know who he was, so he was sent to tour so people would know. It's not that hard to grasp how this is different from dumbing down material. It's literally the opposite of changing the material. Him touring gave people info SPECIFICALLY SO THAT the play mocking him could be unchanged. That's why your first comment makes NO SENSE. And explaining a reference to people that they don't know is not what "dumbing down" means. To "dumb it down" is to completely change a text so that it takes less intelligence to understand. Explaining an intact text is just explaining an intact text. These are literally mutually exclusive things. Idk how this is so hard for you to get but if you still don't grasp at this point that your complaint has nothing to do with the events described in this video, then obviously I'm not the person who's going to be able to explain the difference to you. Cheers
One of the defining moments of his life and career was the media circus around his being charged with buggery, and the results of that trial changed the trajectory of several political systems around the world. namely, English-speaking nations began to create and/or more brutally enforce laws against non-heterosexual people for just existing. “Known mostly for being gay and writing plays” isn’t just “he was gay, ew.” And it’s weird that this is what you got out of that, considering the political impact of the trial.
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So they paid him to go around the U.S. and give witty lectures? Did Oscar Wilde go on the first international stand-up tour?
💕 YES 💕
He was anticipated by about 15 years by Charles Dickens, so no
@@dzonbrodi514 Charles Dickens and stand up?
@@dzonbrodi514 and then Mark Twain followed with a tour about ten years later after Oscar Wilde!
He also wrote wonderful children's stories for his own kids...
Isn't that his wife? She was a kid's books author
@@violasses could be she wrote them but they were in his name, because, you know, sexism.
@@Nerobyrne But I do know he was a big writer of fairy tales
The Fisherman And His Soul was my favourite story when I was a kid
@@Nerobyrne both wrote stories, and Oscar never stole his wife's work. She wrote articles for the magazine he was in charge of, and that's only one way he was supportive. Both of them were for a dress reform of women finally being allowed to wear trousers. So no, sexism came from the society around her, but not from him.
According to legend, some miners decided to have a bit of fun by getting him drunk down a mine. In the end, he was the one to have to help them out, commenting that they were foolish to think they could drink more whisk(e) than an Irishman.
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
-O. Wilde
One of my favourite quote from Dorian Gray
While on this tour, Oscar Wilde visited a mining town out west and gave one of those lectures on beauty and aesthetics. Most of the miners fell asleep and didn't think much of him, so they decided to have some fun with him. They invited him to eat and drink with them the next night IN THE MINE. They were going to get him blackout drunk, take all the lanterns, and leave him in the dark to find his way out. Instead, he drank every last one of them under the table then had to carry every miner back out. No bullshit, actually happened.
Not surprised he drank em all under the table. He was not only Irish, but 6'3!
Please post a source for this, I'd bloody love to be able to start telling people this story
He was not so much famous as viciously mocked on his tour of America. The press caricatured him as various animals and even a black minstrel. They hated him. People went to see him though.
How’d u know that
@@Doberdobax newspapers.
@@60sspider-man29 Hey 60s Spider Man good to see you again!
@@MichaelTurner856 great to be here Mike! Hope you're doing spectacular!
Epic!
“Imma get you famous and then ill make fun out of you”
This people were insane!
I can’t be the only one who got to know about him due to his book “The canterville ghost” . My school made us write a 10 page review on it in 12th grade.
It’s a great movie too. I loved it as a kid! Charles Laughton was the ghost.
@@Tagurrit Finally got to see the BBC adaptation which was on over Christmas last year,
I saw someone yesterday who looked and was dressed EXACTLY like him. Same face, same hair style, and was wearing a big fur coat. I was stunned. I nearly turned my car around to go by him again but saw him walk into a private building in my mirror.
Do you know if he had a fairly hideous portrait in his attic?
@@richardfarrer5616😂😂👍👍👍
I love Oscar Wilde! About to write a comparative essay with The Picture of Dorian Gray as one of the novels funnily enough. Didn’t know this! Thank you :]
Omg are you Irish!? The comparative! Dang is the picture of Dorian grey in the list this year? My teacher chose Emma 😭 I was always so upset we couldn't do better texts for the comparative! She even put our Shakespeare as the comparative!
Did Oscar Wilde know he was hired to tour the US so they knew who they were making fun of?
Most certainly
Broke students gotta do what broke students gotta do.
I mean you get paid for doing that so. Yes he did know that.
Everytime I hear something about this man I like him more
You could say he became *Wilde*ly popular
I love Patience, there’s the full opera on UA-cam from the 1995 Australian opera it’s fantastic
Patience is great! "When I Go Out Of Door" was my gateway into Gilbert and Sullivan
Awesome. That's a gig of a lifetime.
I recently fell in love with him again after reading the ballad of reading gaol and de profundis, I cried a few times reading that and it’s now one of my all time favourite books, I highly recommend it to anyone who is even mildly interested in him, there’s a great reading of it on here somewhere at reading gaol and the guy reading it is amazing, I had to listen to it on 1.5x as it was a bit too slow for me but it’s really worth watching/listening to! He does a 4 hour (I think? 🤔) reading of it in its entirety ❤
Famous Dublin man..pass his birth place every day
i’ve seen patience! it’s a very fun opera!
Gilbert & Sullivan knew exactly what they were doing. They knew the audience in the USA was not familiar with satire or sarcasm.
Absolutely love that man. I believe we'd have been good friends his early poetry is actually really good for it being 'early' works. "The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about"
I saw a production of The Importance of Being Earnest at the Old Globe theatre in San Diego years ago, and it was one of the most delightful theatre going experiences I’ve ever had. Wilde’s legacy is alive and well in the US, but the play that was mocking him seems mostly forgotten. I love that somehow, even now, he is still having that last laugh. What a legend. 😂👏🏼
Now, this is weird! Ive got THE HAPPY PRINCE playing on dvr this very minute! I love, love, love that movie!! I havent seen the Stephen Fry version. Im sure its just as good!!
Ill met by moonlight, proud Titania!
Patience is a great operetta
I knew this lol, I am a huge fan of Oscar Wilde‘s work and when I was in high school in 2008 my senior year and my final project for my English class I did my subject on Oscar Wilde. There’s also that sketch from Monty pythons flying circus talking about how were the Oscar Wilde is played by Graham Norton.
This just makes Oscar Wilde so much cooler
I had no idea! I'm loving your channel!
I'm not sure he was technically _gay_ but yes he became notorious for the trial on grounds of homosexuality. Although, given the ages of some of the witnesses, he's a highly problematic character to say the least
Yes, he was most certainly gay. Today, we might say bisexual. But ole Oscar most certainly loved men.
@@coxmosia1 Oh he 100% had sex with men (and what we would now legally term children, or call teenagers) but bisexual is probably more accurate
We would not call them legally children and the age of consent is 16 in UK. And to be honest we actually don’t know what happend. What pretty much happend is that the witness in the trail were forced to testify against Oscar and of course they did so, bc firstly they were paid and secondly there were evidences against them too. And Shelley was for sure lying in the curt. Oscar actually wrote to friend that he had nothing to do with the absolutely most accusations but could never tell the truth, bc that would mean that Bosie would face charges. And this time Oscar wanted to protected him of all cost- It seems absurd after what they went trough. All the abuse. And Robbie denied to have any sexual or romantic relationship with Oscar but we are still portraying it in media all the time.
@@luc716 I think is issue is that there was a debate in parliament about all this in 1999 and they concluded he was having sex with minors and therefore can't be pardoned
But he was pardoned. And all of them were over 16, if he actually had sex with all of them at all. So it kind of makes no sense.
He’s also ‘famous’ because he KNEW who Jack the Ripper was. True.
I am reading the picture of Dorian Gray right now and in Chapter 3 they go on about America and one character said "I wish to goodness it never had been discovered at all!" while the other said "The Americans are extremely interesting people. They are absolutely reasonable."
As an american myself, I too wish it never was discovered and laughed at the fact that we are "Reasonable." (Spoiler, we aint XD)
As someone who has lived a lot of places, I can assure you that people are batshit insane wherever you go, they just cope with it and express it in different ways. I live in the NL, and Americans are always alarmed to know how violent football hooligans can get out here, for example. Don’t even get me STARTED on how racist and xenophobic Europeans can be.
People are people wherever you go!
I live in the town in which he was imprisoned. Banksy did some artwork on the prison wall.
Has anyone seen his great grandson?
He is a handsome thing!! Very!
And the “ Oscar “ goes to
In Germany today he would get famous for looking quite similar to Dirk Nowitzki
That’s awesome!
Brilliant!
Back when it took intelligence and talent to become a social influencer.
I was just thinking - he really was comparable to a modern UA-camr. Got known by just putting himself and his charisma out there. Later was able to use his platform to manifest a career writing plays. That's 1 in 3 UA-camrs. Expect they're writing screen-plays.
He is often described as the first Paris Hilton of the history and the first Victim of the press
Wow. How true is this? And was the play a hit in America?
No…
The tour was a massive success. Wilde was nothing if not wonderfully entertaining
So basically, he went ahead to dumb it down so people would understand the jokes... that's sad.
Wtf how'd you get that interpretation? Jokes that are referential require people to know the reference. That doesn't mean anything got dumbed down. What a weird take
@The plural is actually "asparageese". dude, it's basically it. Like Shakespeare had to be dumbed down for most of the countries and people still don't get it because it depicted a phenomenon not known for that place. Take "the taming of the shrew", it was a multiple layer joke.
It's OK for a place not to understand about another places humor, we see it all the time nowadays, specially with memes.
When I say "that's sad" it's mostly because that's a very low starting point.
@@sarahisatitagain ... Naming a completely unrelated example that _does_ fit what you're complaining about, doesn't magically make your complaint have anything to do with the video. Your reply doesn't even have anything to do with my point, ffs I never said dumbing down of content doesn't happen at all, I said IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. This is like when people accidentally comment on the wrong thread except it's like you accidentally commented on the wrong video, how the heck can you watch something and then pretend it says something completely different?
Nothing got dumbed down for anyone with regards to Oscar Wilde being satirized in a play. The USian audience just didn't know who he was, so he was sent to tour so people would know. It's not that hard to grasp how this is different from dumbing down material. It's literally the opposite of changing the material. Him touring gave people info SPECIFICALLY SO THAT the play mocking him could be unchanged. That's why your first comment makes NO SENSE. And explaining a reference to people that they don't know is not what "dumbing down" means. To "dumb it down" is to completely change a text so that it takes less intelligence to understand. Explaining an intact text is just explaining an intact text. These are literally mutually exclusive things.
Idk how this is so hard for you to get but if you still don't grasp at this point that your complaint has nothing to do with the events described in this video, then obviously I'm not the person who's going to be able to explain the difference to you. Cheers
If you tour someone so that people know what is the joke about I think it's pretty dumbing down.
Also why are you so agitated over that? Are you offended or something?
Oscar wasn't just "gay." He was bisexual. Don't forget, he had a wife and kids. 😮
That doesn’t make him bisexual.
Clever
Why do people treat him like he solved world hunger? I mean he did pay boys from impoverished areas for sex, but the ends don’t justify the means.
Are you talking about andrew tate
@@Mrfactsyomama no I’m talking about Oscar Wilde and “Boise” Douglas going to Piccadilly Circus to find young boys to screw.
You mean refer to, as he died 123 years ago.
😉
Yall knew him because he was gay and wrote plays? Yall are missing the great mind of this guys because of your prejudices, what a time to be alive...
One of the defining moments of his life and career was the media circus around his being charged with buggery, and the results of that trial changed the trajectory of several political systems around the world. namely, English-speaking nations began to create and/or more brutally enforce laws against non-heterosexual people for just existing.
“Known mostly for being gay and writing plays” isn’t just “he was gay, ew.” And it’s weird that this is what you got out of that, considering the political impact of the trial.
I could probably enjoy british performers better if they would speak english.
Eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh dottoressa Reali mi dovrei sempre nascondere per la mia omosessualitá