How The British Government Covered Up Evidence Of Atrocities [Long Shorts]

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  • Sources and further reading:
    Cobain, I. 2020. Lying about our history? Now that's something Britain excels at. www.theguardia...
    Dahlgreen, W. 2014. The British Empire is "something to be proud of". yougov.co.uk/p...
    Jasanoff, M. 2020. Misremembering the British Empire. www.newyorker....
    Milmo, C. 2013. Revealed: How British Empire's dirty secrets went up in smoke in the colonies. www.independen...
    Sato, S. 2017. "Operation Legacy": Britain's Destruction and Concealment of Colonial Records Worldwide. doi.org/10.108...
    Smith, M. 2020. How unique are British attitudes to empire? yougov.co.uk/i...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 672

  • @ivanterrible7362
    @ivanterrible7362 День тому +532

    The fact you have to advise people not to get their information on war crimes from the same place they get their makeup tutorials and viral dance videos is profoundly disturbing.

    • @drewcampbell8555
      @drewcampbell8555 День тому

      Not great, perhaps, but not nearly as disturbing as the British state's cynical management of our education, the complicity of our great free press, and the illegal destruction of evidence detailing myriad atrocities.

    • @jiubboatman9352
      @jiubboatman9352 День тому +32

      Any claim made anywhere, that a person takes seriously, should be fact checked using other sources. This is critical thinking 101. Everybody can make a mistake, typos happen and new evidence found.

    • @lynnfisher3037
      @lynnfisher3037 День тому +2

      @ivanterrible7362 there are gems amongst the rocks you just have to be diligent to find them.

    • @ivanterrible7362
      @ivanterrible7362 День тому +18

      ​@lynnfisher3037 If I have to sift through mountains of unverified, thinly sourced pseudo-information with no journalistic standards. And trust the algorithm to sort fact from fiction based on what is driving viewers engagment. I'm fairly sure I should be looking elsewhere for trustworthy news providers.

    • @TecHippy
      @TecHippy День тому

      Honestly, Tiktok might not be the worst for finding specifically british and American atrocities. It is a Chinese psyop, but it's not like they'd need to fabricate anything to make England or America's history look bad. Kinda how you can trust Al Jazera to report all the shady stuff Israel does, just don't expect the same attention to detail when it comes to Qatar

  • @jaxweby4343
    @jaxweby4343 День тому +276

    …so maybe that's why we didn't really learn about the British Empire in schools, at least not to the extent of revealing everything that actually happened. stunning to hear about it now.

    • @jacklav1
      @jacklav1 День тому +30

      Yes. All German school students spend years in their history classes studying the actions of the Reich. The colonial era deserves as much attention and introspection.

    • @keatonwastaken
      @keatonwastaken День тому

      @@jacklav1 And yet so many Germans still are supporting far-right parties. The teaching should be much more harsh and detailed, we focus too much on wars instead of how the parties get into power slowly through slow and steady propaganda.

    • @karlarcher8773
      @karlarcher8773 День тому +4

      @@jacklav1 should Turkey teach their youth of the crimes of the Ottomans. Should Russia teach their children about the Gulags. Should the Chinese teach their young about the crimes of the cultural revolution. What about Crimes of native Americans both north and south. Should Japan teach the rape of Nanking to their kids. What about the Mongols. Or the Arab colonisation of North Africa. What about Pol pot. You could go on and on and on. When is this continuous season of confessions going to end.

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +36

      @@karlarcher8773 _"When is this continuous season of confessions going to end."_
      When there's nothing outrageous to confess?

    • @karlarcher8773
      @karlarcher8773 День тому +2

      @@PastPresented so the entire world should confess to the sins of the past.

  • @lynnfisher3037
    @lynnfisher3037 День тому +169

    Thank for your consistent and yeoman efforts to tell us about British History. You are an inspiration to thousands who like 'deep-diving' into history. A vital subject uncovering humanity's past. Congratulations❤

    • @RingsLoreMaster
      @RingsLoreMaster День тому +5

      I wish you would do more long-form videos on the subject

    • @EdgyShooter
      @EdgyShooter День тому +4

      I am confused as to what is meant by yeoman in this context, either that or you've got an incredibly posh autocorrect 😅

    • @sevenstars004
      @sevenstars004 7 годин тому

      ​@@EdgyShooterA yeoman's effort is a term used to describe hard, valuable, and successful work, especially when supporting a cause or helping a team. It's not a term you see very often.

  • @prowest6715
    @prowest6715 20 годин тому +61

    When the French celebrated Liberation after WWII, the people of Algeria also celebrated thinking Liberation would apply to them too. How wrong they were. somewhere between 20,000 (French numbers) and 50,000 (Algerian numbers) were killed in the struggle that ensued. So much for Liberation.

    • @kalka1l
      @kalka1l 13 годин тому +6

      Not free but also purportedly not French as so many keep being treated like they are not French with France. It’s appalling. Colonialism never ended.

  • @IMakeEverythingUK
    @IMakeEverythingUK День тому +217

    On Mel C's episode of Who Do You Think You Are, she went to the west of Ireland and found out her ancestors had left for Liverpool in the 1840s and DIDN'T KNOW WHY. History is SO selectively taught here.

    • @otterofdespair3387
      @otterofdespair3387 20 годин тому +4

      Everyone knows about the potato famine and if not they weren't listening in school.

    • @emc2862
      @emc2862 19 годин тому +5

      Wow, I thought it was mostly american schools that did this. 🤨

    • @SomeoneBeginingWithI
      @SomeoneBeginingWithI 15 годин тому +14

      @@otterofdespair3387 I was not taught about the potato famine in history lessons in England. It might be taught universally in America and Ireland, but it's not in the national curriculum in England.
      The only formal education I got on the potato famine in Biology. It was presented only as an example of why you shouldn't have a monoculture of a single crop verity. We were not taught about the political choices which exacerbated the famine.

    • @Anil18834
      @Anil18834 14 годин тому +1

      ​@@SomeoneBeginingWithI 😮

    • @sglenny001
      @sglenny001 14 годин тому +1

      Its truely embarrassing how much we treated Ireland ​@SomeoneBeginingWithI

  • @marsupialdungbucket
    @marsupialdungbucket 20 годин тому +62

    I found a trunk with the words "Harewood Papers" painted on it, so I investigated. This led to learning so much about British plantations and the abolition of slavery and replacing it with a system that really wasn't that different. Oh, and how Lord Harewood and others were paid huge amounts of compensation to 'free' the slaves. The slaves' compensation? Dream on...

  • @gargoyle7863
    @gargoyle7863 День тому +233

    I guess they learned their lesson in Germany: detailed documentation of Nazi war crimes fell into allied hands. Why make the same mistake than the Nazis? 😉

    • @eventua8474
      @eventua8474 День тому +52

      turns out if you put concerted effort into educating your population about your nation's history of [insert terrible thing here] the end result *isn't* just "oh woe is us we're terrible" it's actually more like "well *that* was terrible, good to keep our eye on anyone poised to repeat those evil deeds".
      But turns out that would raise a bunch of questions about The Way We Do Things and if we start questioning that, we can't so easily rely on scapegoats and nationalism to justify/cover up the shitty things we're doing *right now*.

    • @CCNYMacGuy
      @CCNYMacGuy День тому +10

      Sounds like a fun addendum to that one episode of the Crown about the Marburg Files: "Oh, uh, Tommy? We made sure that all of OUR embarrassing documents were taken care of, right? No? Oh, dear..."

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 День тому +5

      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    • @gargoyle7863
      @gargoyle7863 День тому +12

      @@markaxworthy2508 but piles of the ashes of burned documents are.

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 День тому

      @@gargoyle7863 Not if you don't know what is in them!

  • @Anil18834
    @Anil18834 14 годин тому +44

    Not only is there no such thing as "their history and our history," the fact remains that the UK and especially England became wealthy on the backs of those oppressed, tortured, killed, sacked, etc.
    It's what the UK's infrastructure was built on, its massive banking system, insurance companies, grand country houses, palaces, etc.
    Thanks for your wonderful work❤

    • @crofty69-HKGPolU
      @crofty69-HKGPolU 4 години тому

      Everything the UK are today was built on the broken and raped backs of our ancestors.

  • @Jono_93
    @Jono_93 20 годин тому +10

    And the British government hasn't changed much at all since then, no matter who's "democratically" voted into power, they're all following the same script.

  • @CakeboyRiP
    @CakeboyRiP День тому +79

    Yah! Another J. Draper video
    Edit: Damn. As someone who works in informationmanagement for me keeping information available is very dear to my heart. Keeping information hidden from some population by burning or plain hiding it is just horrible

    • @nealjroberts4050
      @nealjroberts4050 День тому +7

      Yep, I'm data admin/mgt and it's like burning books.

  • @LuvLikeTruck
    @LuvLikeTruck День тому +34

    I really like your concept that it "isn't just their history" and I see it as a good argument against people being upset when taking down monuments to the Confederacy. They cry "it's our history", but it isn't Just your history

  • @RossParker1877
    @RossParker1877 День тому +176

    I should be horrified but I'm not even surprised

    • @OctopusOwl
      @OctopusOwl День тому

      @@RossParker1877 exactly. It's extremely British to be a Global empire full of genocide and suppression, and so focused on their PR that they just erase their own history to try and cover-up the atrocities.

    • @hellokittyangel211
      @hellokittyangel211 13 годин тому

      Same, 😒.

  • @nynkerixtvellinga-gi8zo
    @nynkerixtvellinga-gi8zo День тому +92

    I'm dutch and its quite horrible to see how high the number is here of people who think having Indonesia and other colonies was a good thing😅

    • @jorenvanderark3567
      @jorenvanderark3567 День тому +23

      Good for whom should be the question. It was good for the Netherlands, not so much for Indonesians or humanity as a whole.

    • @EgoChip
      @EgoChip День тому +2

      It's not like us subjects get any say either way. Our governments do whatever they want even if we are opposed to it.

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +7

      @@EgoChip In the case of the Netherlands and Britain, the governments carefully kept at arm's length while commercial companies seized power in places like Indonesia and India.

    • @EgoChip
      @EgoChip День тому +6

      @@PastPresented Corporations ruled back then as they do now. So business as usual.

    • @treeaboo
      @treeaboo День тому

      @@EgoChip The East India Company had a larger military as a private company than the British army itself during the 1830s, those corporations wielded power that the likes of Bezos or Musk can only dream of, though they'd sure love to return to. Amazon with a colonial army, it's little wonder it was so horrific.

  • @cereal_chick2515
    @cereal_chick2515 День тому +103

    When I was in Year 8, we covered the slave trade and effort to abolish it and slavery itself. We talked briefly about the abolitionist movement, William Wilberforce (my house was named after him, even), the Slave Trade Act 1807, and the Slavery Abolition Act 1833. And I thought the story basically ended there; obviously we had skipped over a great many of the details, but as far as I knew, we had slavery in the empire, and then we didn't. Right?
    Well, one day some years later, a David Olusoga documentary happened to be on in the background in my living room, nobody had specifically put it on or anything, and I was half paying attention to it as I was doing whatever else. He started talking about the reparations that we paid... to the SLAVEOWNERS. WE PAID REPARATIONS TO THE *SLAVEOWNERS*. The reparations amounted to an enormous sum of money too.
    If this massive coincidence this one random day hadn't happened, who knows when I would have found this out? I felt fucking lied to, and to what end? American conservatives lose their minds over the idea that teaching students about the truth of slavery would make them "feel guilty", and it's complete horseshit. The truth is out there, these atrocities really did happen, and your students are likely to find out eventually. I don't feel guilty about the crime of slavery because it was committed centuries before I was even born, but I *do* feel guilty that I was left unable to confront the extent of that crime in the present day because my history teacher lied to me about it.

    • @aronpuma5962
      @aronpuma5962 День тому +28

      @@cereal_chick2515 There's a quote by Eric Williams, academic on British slavery and the first prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago:
      "The British historians wrote almost as if Britain had introduced Negro slavery solely for the satisfaction of abolishing it"
      He wrote a whole book, "Capitalism and Slavery" with the theory that the end of the practice in Britain was primarily economic, not moralistic. This is not a theory without controversy and I don't feel I know enough to weigh in, but that quote, that cultural attitude feels like what you describe.
      I wouldn't feel uniquely bad about it. I'm from the USA, and our education on slavery and race well, let's say it can vary heavily by who you hear it from.

    • @colinslant
      @colinslant День тому +21

      The slave owners were paid off because that's what it took to get the abolition of slavery through Parliament. Remember, Britain was not yet a democracy in those days. Wealthy interests controlled things. The alternative to paying them off was not getting slavery abolished - what should they have done instead? What would you have done?

    • @RingsLoreMaster
      @RingsLoreMaster День тому +4

      ​@@aronpuma5962speaking of cultural influences, Locke what's one of the individuals who wrote the colonial Constitution for Carolina. In the Constitution and in Locke's writings, slavery was supported. I it seems safe to say that slavery slavery was supported in America by way of cultural influences.

    • @Jaxck77
      @Jaxck77 День тому +11

      @@colinslantIf it had to make it through Parliament then the country was a democracy. If oligarchic control denies the definition of democracy, then we don’t yet have democracy today either. Choose one reality, you cannot have both.

    • @aronpuma5962
      @aronpuma5962 День тому +6

      @@RingsLoreMaster Slavery was quite foundational to the United States, and that's a very foundational, legal way it began, and of course that was written while Carolina was a British Colony. History connects.
      Regardless, our slavery didn't end with an act of Congress, it ended in civil war. Law to end it's brutality had to be achieved by bloodshed and it's hard to say how it could have ended any other way here, just one of those historical hypotheticals

  • @U2QuoZepplin
    @U2QuoZepplin День тому +52

    The Mau Mau uprising is quite famous. I love it how this channel is always so informative and educational. The Mau Mau was actually something we learned about in school probably on exactly this subject of how Empires and Imperialism had such massive down sides besides the obvious .

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 День тому +4

      One of the death camps in Kenya had "Work will set you free" over the entrance, a conscious echo of "Arbeit macht Frei" over Auschwitz. No doubt the National Servicemen involved were warned that they would be executed if they talked about it back at home, as those were who saw how native Australians were exposed to radiation at hydrogen bomb tests.

  • @Patrick-fm5dk
    @Patrick-fm5dk День тому +52

    As an Irishman, I must thank you for raising this awareness so respectfully and eloquently. Sadly, history seems doomed to repeat itself with Britain’s disingenuous narrative around its involvement in Israel’s genocide of Palestine.

    • @henghistbluetooth7882
      @henghistbluetooth7882 23 години тому +5

      Although I would absolute,y agree with you - there is plenty of obfuscation on the ‘other side’ too. The Iranian and Saudi governments are hard,y paragons of virtue, and I’ve had many conversations with local Muslims who think that the original invasion and subsequent addition to the caliphate of Palestine was a god thing. I.e. ‘my empire is the civilised one, yours is the aggressor’…I live next to a good friend whose family is from Iranian (left when the shah was deposed) , and I can tell you that aíran can do no wrong and is the perpetual victim

  • @matthewmccallion3311
    @matthewmccallion3311 День тому +15

    "The Road to Derry" by Seamus Heaney
    Along Glenshane and Foreglen
    And the cold woods of Hillhead:
    A wet wind in the hedges and a dark cloud on the mountain,
    And flags like black frost
    Mourning that the thirteen men were dead.
    The Roe wept at Dungiven and the Foyle cried out to heaven,
    Burntollet's old wound opened and again the Bogside bled;
    By Shipquay Gate I shivered and by Lone Moor I enquired
    Where I might find the coffins where the thirteen men lay dead.
    My heart besieged by anger, my mind a gap of danger.
    I walked among their old haunts.
    The home ground where they bled;
    And in the dirt lay justice like an acorn in the winter.
    Till its oak would sprout in Derry
    Where the thirteen men lay dead.

  • @GrandmaRose9000
    @GrandmaRose9000 День тому +56

    Covering up atrocities is something many governments do, sadly. Thank you for bringing this part of history to light. It is disheartening to learn so many think colonialism is something to be proud of.

    • @jennyfab312
      @jennyfab312 День тому

      @@GrandmaRose9000 some southern states are trying to erase the truth about slavery. Or trying to change the narrative that it was “a good thing.”
      So they are doing it here in the US too

    • @slv8535
      @slv8535 День тому

      The Chinese Communist Party thinks colonialism is a wonderful thing -- as long as they are the imperialists. /s

  • @aseriesofletters6346
    @aseriesofletters6346 День тому +19

    It’s always shocking to see demonstrated plainly the amount of willful ignorance a person would have to display in order to minimize or defend the atrocities of empires

    • @ShankarSivarajan
      @ShankarSivarajan День тому +2

      States do terrible things routinely. The question is whether "empires" are unusually bad.

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan День тому +1

      Shankar empires are typically worse and leave behind an awful legacy.

    • @ShankarSivarajan
      @ShankarSivarajan День тому

      ​@@OscarOSullivan I'm unconvinced. How much of that "awful legacy" is the result of post-imperial nationalist propaganda?

  • @scotsam7590
    @scotsam7590 День тому +41

    Then the Tories from 2010 to 2024 stepped forward and said "Hold my beer." And proceeded to steal billions from the UK and commit atrocities on citizens and immigrants, all in just 14 years. It's a talent.

    • @tantuce
      @tantuce День тому +3

      What atrocities during the last 14 years? Genuine question

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf День тому +24

      @@tantuceThe ethnic cleansing of the Chagos Islands was one of them, the UN gave a timeline for letting the expelled natives back, the UK said no and its still forcefully depopulated and it was a designated a crime against humanity.

    • @marcuswalters8093
      @marcuswalters8093 День тому +5

      Well... they've been in power for 70 of the last 100 years so

    • @marcuswalters8093
      @marcuswalters8093 День тому +8

      ​@@Rynewulf Thank you for taking the time to inform.

    • @Ice_Karma
      @Ice_Karma День тому +1

      2008, wasn't it?

  • @annabjork4254
    @annabjork4254 День тому +10

    A book recommendation, not on the destroyed document but on some of the things they tried to hide: "The Blood Never Dried: A People's History of the British Empire " by John Newsinger. Important but hard to read.

  • @nni9310
    @nni9310 20 годин тому +7

    Well done. Thank you for posting this. I was unaware of this.

  • @Whatsuppbuddies
    @Whatsuppbuddies День тому +38

    In Australia, often the only records of British crimes come from indigenous oral histories, which frequently face derision.

    • @oftin_wong
      @oftin_wong День тому

      I checked up on the list of crimes from a certain time period in western Australian colonies
      Plenty of crimes across the board
      Very good spread of diversity also with the skin colour ..your toes would curl to see what sort of things happened amongst all humans ...back then

    • @sandwich2473
      @sandwich2473 22 години тому +5

      ​@@oftin_wongplease elaborate on those certain time periods and explain how they're just as bad or worse than industrial scale torture and genocide

    • @oftin_wong
      @oftin_wong 16 годин тому

      @@sandwich2473 the colonies ..colonial Australia
      Who said anything about being worse
      ?

    • @sandwich2473
      @sandwich2473 15 годин тому

      @@oftin_wong colonial australia was under the direction of the crown, much like with india, etc

    • @oftin_wong
      @oftin_wong 7 годин тому

      @@sandwich2473
      Yes...so what ?
      Ultimately under the scant direction of the crown ...it was a long boat journey
      So we had a governor to make all the pressing decisions here on the ground.
      Australia was unlike India in so many ways.
      You seem to imagine I've entered a measuring contest with you ?

  • @sconesandjam
    @sconesandjam День тому +16

    A wonderful and sad video, thank you for posting it. It always made me sad growing up when history in school omitted the darker truths of the Empire.

  • @jlee4039
    @jlee4039 День тому +18

    Thank you for this video. So enlightening. ❤

  • @HistoricaHungarica
    @HistoricaHungarica День тому +7

    Sometimes the lazy bureaucrats are the real heroes it seems.

  • @OscarOSullivan
    @OscarOSullivan День тому +9

    “On its colonies the sun never sets and the blood never dries.”- Ernest Jones

  • @Dino-1958
    @Dino-1958 День тому +3

    Excellent video as always Ms J Draper!
    History is always eventually manipulated, sometimes quickly like in the incidents you descibe here, other times after many years as America has been doing more recently with slavery. Fascism is on the rise around the world because those who remember 1st hand are dying and the lessons from two world wars are being forgotten.
    I was born in the 1950s in England, the shadow of WWII was ever present as I grew up.
    Stay safe & stay fabulous everybody, especially you Ms J Draper
    💐🦕🤔😼♥️☕🥖🧀🍅🍕🍝🇪🇺🇺🇦🌍💃⚔️👗🩰🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈💐

  • @ChrisSham
    @ChrisSham День тому +5

    How does this align with other lines of evidence? Are there any external sources that help to fill in some of the burned up blank spots?

  • @amberhiggins6327
    @amberhiggins6327 День тому +17

    "There history and our history" is the way many British people see what went on in the British Empire. I'm an American, and our first 13 states were apart of British America. Before the USA gained its independence our history was also British history and not just the good stuff but also the bad stuff too. Such as how Native Americans were treated. After the the USA gained its independence then came what was called the second British Empire. Most of the British Empire is now independent nations and the view among many British people is: that is American, history or Canadian history, or Australian history, or South African History or Indian history and so on. Most British people don't understand that when our Nations were apart of your British Empire our history was your nation history and what happen in our part of the British Empire was your own national history just as much as what went on in the Great Britain and Northern Ireland . That goes for all the good historical events as well as the bad ones too.

    • @robertpearce8394
      @robertpearce8394 День тому +2

      Their history ...

    • @tantuce
      @tantuce День тому +1

      Apart or a part?... 🤔

    • @nigelanscombe8658
      @nigelanscombe8658 День тому

      History … before my time.

    • @colinslant
      @colinslant День тому

      Native Americans were treated a damn sight better under British rule than by the USA, that's for sure.

  • @grounded_up_sage
    @grounded_up_sage День тому +2

    Man..
    History is FASCINATING. But it is NOT for the faint of heart.

  • @damonroberts7372
    @damonroberts7372 День тому +13

    To give you some idea of the sort of information that would've been concealed in British Malaya, it's said that the US utilised many of the same strategies and methods against the Viet Cong during the Vietnam War, including mass aerial spraying of herbicides.

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому

      Same reasons. Allowing Soviet influence to dominate the government of newly-independent colonies of West-European nations would have been seriously problematic.

  • @WayneGray-m6e
    @WayneGray-m6e День тому +6

    Thank you for posting this 👍

  • @damongidney2741
    @damongidney2741 День тому +5

    my take seeing the video name was...Which one?

  • @ShubhamBhushanCC
    @ShubhamBhushanCC День тому +7

    Can you imagine if we had an archive of all the documents burned. British Empire would have a whole new look. BTW during the "Malay Emergency" Rory "The Tory" Stewart's dad was the Governor of Malaya

    • @norwegianzound
      @norwegianzound День тому

      @@ShubhamBhushanCC You need the documents to prove the British were mass executioners?

    • @dave3gan
      @dave3gan День тому +1

      Didn't know that😮

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +1

      Rory Stewart's father Brian Stewart was never Governor of Malaya, though he did work for the colonial authorities there in the 1950s.

    • @treeaboo
      @treeaboo День тому +1

      He was never Governor of Mayala, he was Secretary for Chinese Affairs in Malacca, and then Secretary for Chinese Affairs in Penang.

  • @ItsDeffoScott
    @ItsDeffoScott День тому +11

    My grandparents island was brutalised and later, when Britain called for aid during the war and post-war, many answered the call.
    Years ago it was hit by a devastating hurricane and Jon Snow asked a then diplomat why the UK should provide aid to the country.

    • @JaneAustenAteMyCat
      @JaneAustenAteMyCat День тому +4

      I'm researching the history of slavery for my novel and realising more and more that the British part in slavery is only ever taught, if at all, from the abolition viewpoint. But we participated in it for a long time before that, as well as the military occupation of many, many countries. In addition, it's called being a decent human being to help others. It's just the bare minimum to help others when they're struggling

  • @ironorequarry7011
    @ironorequarry7011 19 годин тому +3

    Dont forget Canada and the appalling treatment the First Nations people received from The British.

    • @eldrago19
      @eldrago19 18 годин тому +1

      There seems to be some confusion about this. By the time of Canada's Indian Schools, the region was self-governing.

    • @jovic819
      @jovic819 17 годин тому +2

      The genocide perpetrated against the First Nations of Canada with the help of the residential school system was entirely Canada's doing, not the UK. This is something we've only started to come to terms with in the past few years after the discovery of mass graves on the sites of those former schools.

    • @ethelmini
      @ethelmini 5 годин тому

      @@jovic819 Australia & New Zealand have similar history, colonialism is a (inherited) state of mind, not just a political structure

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 5 годин тому

      @@eldrago19 I'm in New Brunswick where Lord Monckton was in charge of not just expelling the acadians but also for distributing small pox blankets to the first nations. That was long before Canada ever existed. The largest city in New Brunswick is bilingual and home of the acadians......and is called Moncton.

    • @etevenatkowicz9745
      @etevenatkowicz9745 3 години тому

      A bunch of these were up and running in the overseas territory that would become Alberta in 1905.

  • @tantuce
    @tantuce День тому +37

    I wish current Russians had the same attitude and even a suspicion their country, the former USSR and Russian Empires were brutal colonials

    • @OctopusOwl
      @OctopusOwl День тому +9

      Americans also need to push back on our own narrative and recognize the damage we do in the world.

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +1

      @@OctopusOwl Unfortunately, influence matters, both at a personal level and at the level of relationships between nations. The less influence you have, the more you get damaged.

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan День тому +2

      One of the reasons I suspect various far right leaders including Erdogan, Farage etc admire and respect Putin is they agree with his world view of might makes right and of the glory of empire.

    • @loadeddice4696
      @loadeddice4696 День тому

      Immediately deflecting away from our crimes to say "look! look! Someone else is also a criminal" is not a good move.

  • @JustWowNick
    @JustWowNick День тому +1

    "The wildest thing is that it worked."
    Yeah, because it usually works. The times it doesn't work are outliers.

  • @cebusapella9125
    @cebusapella9125 День тому +10

    Wow! Lorry loads of documents destroyed. And people moan about "destroying history" when a statue of some horrific slave trader gets trashed!

  • @youremakingprogress144
    @youremakingprogress144 День тому +20

    United States: coughs and quietly excuses itself from the room as quickly as possible

    • @django3422
      @django3422 18 годин тому +1

      USA, after watching Europe's colonial era; "Hold my weak, pisswater beer..."

    • @meganrogers3571
      @meganrogers3571 6 годин тому

      ​@@django3422 Hey now, I must take offense...we have some decent craft beer in the US.

    • @jimmyyarbrough9883
      @jimmyyarbrough9883 2 години тому

      @@meganrogers3571 The Brits invented IPA.... they get no say.

    • @django3422
      @django3422 51 хвилина тому

      @@meganrogers3571 Oh, bless...

  • @rochelle2758
    @rochelle2758 9 годин тому +2

    As a Trinidadian, I thank you for this.

  • @insomniac_at5461
    @insomniac_at5461 12 годин тому +2

    You don’t even need to travel that far from Britain to see the effects of the empire. Ireland’s just a sea away, and while we didn’t get the worst of the torture and slavery, the British government is one of the main reasons the potato famine was as bad as it was, and our culture and language are practically dead

    • @insertnamehere_262
      @insertnamehere_262 6 годин тому

      Ireland's population still has not reached pre-famine levels

    • @ethelmini
      @ethelmini 5 годин тому

      The Irish played their part as colonialists too. The spud famine wasn't a uniquely Irish experience either.

  • @azurejester
    @azurejester 2 години тому +1

    What!? The British did something sketchy and morally questionable?
    Well, I never...

  • @jamesvandemark2086
    @jamesvandemark2086 День тому +11

    The Dutch have very similar issues, on a somewhat smaller scale!

    • @EdgyShooter
      @EdgyShooter День тому +2

      Well looking at the survey their opinions are quite a lot more extreme, 50% say it's something to be proud of with only 6% saying it's something to be ashamed of, compared to 32% and 19% respectively for the UK

  • @sarahlizzieful
    @sarahlizzieful 16 годин тому +1

    Having gone to school in England, and having studied history until AS-level, I am shocked and horrified by how little of Britain's colonial (and even domestic, non-English!) history simply wasn't taught. I, too, only learned about the Bengal famine recently, even though we studied WW2 in great depth. None of our studies of WW1 even mentioned the Easter Rising. Even in primary school, Mary Queen of Scots "wanted the throne" and was opaquely portrayed as an evil schemer. The fact that I have to seek out this knowledge as an adult and never got taught it is probably why so few British people have interrogated their biases at all.

  • @emily7478
    @emily7478 День тому +4

    Thank you for covering this, J!

  • @joejones3744
    @joejones3744 15 годин тому +1

    Another very good video. I loved your quote"all history is our history". The history of the past is everyone's history. We may not like it, but it is the way it was, whether we like it or not.

  • @hadorstapa
    @hadorstapa День тому +3

    History is only useful if it tells the truth. Thanks for educating and helping us grow.
    (Edited for typo)

  • @helenbartoszek243
    @helenbartoszek243 День тому +3

    I don't believe it! I was just thinking of you, that I hadn't heard from you for awhile.

  • @Ibby.M.I.786
    @Ibby.M.I.786 Годину тому +1

    ALL people of the United Kingdom, and I mean ALL (whether a citizen, immigrant, or part of the "commonwealth") need to see this or at least deserve to know the truth.
    Just like the torpedoing of the RMS Lusitania in World War 1 - where the Brits tried to cover it all up, they did the same to historical records. The world deserves to know how our ancestors and families before us were really treated back then and how we even came to be in existence in the first place.

  • @jokkehasa5298
    @jokkehasa5298 7 годин тому

    "All history is our history" - best quote ever!

  • @NotesFromTheVoid
    @NotesFromTheVoid День тому +2

    I always found it weird that the horrible histories book that's hardest to find (in my personal experience anyway) is barmy british empire.

  • @paultoensing3126
    @paultoensing3126 2 години тому +1

    So I guess Governor Tarken really was a good caricature of the virtues of the British Empire. Nada.

  • @pewong7551
    @pewong7551 11 годин тому +1

    History can only be true, when it shows the bad with the good.
    The fact that most countries chose not to be under colonial rule and many were prepared to fight for freedom, is objective evidence of the wrongs of colonialism.
    Singapore flourished after the British left despite their assets and banking system being stripped by the departing British government. When Hong Kong was returned to China, apparently there was an agreement to leave similar assets in Hong Kong to avoid the repeat of history that Singapore suffered in it's early years of independance.

  • @onenote6619
    @onenote6619 День тому +3

    If there's a government in the world that has not committed atrocities, I would be amazed. This in no way excuses the British government.

    • @MouldMadeMind
      @MouldMadeMind 18 годин тому

      Yes, there are quite many actually.
      Your defensive gut reaction is wrong.

  • @Noosa21
    @Noosa21 День тому +1

    Yes, and living in Australia our country being an offshoot to the UK history decimated the indigenous peoples locally for decades after their arrival as a penal colony in 1788. Thanks for sharing this video and to remind us about heritage isnt all peaches and creame.

  • @kahkah1986
    @kahkah1986 День тому +9

    I don't think it is particularly unusual or shocking that people look back with fondness on a time when they were poorly informed/ unfairly informed of what an empire involved; they would like to live in the fantasy they got sold of unlimited opportunity, superiority and helping others to progress. I suspect a huge percentage of EE people would also look back with fondness on the USSR, another huge colonial enterprise that didn't describe itself fairly, because people want to live in a fantasy of universal equality and progress. Colonialism seems in the past, so always a little sepia tinted, plus there were definite benefits, either for individuals in the colonial country, or potential benefits in developing other countries that were always *not quite* realized. Post-colonial discourse also allows present day post colonial governments to blame their failings on Britain, especially around a 'betrayal' myth of British empire withdrawal (that of course has some basis in reality), and shout down any attempts by Britain/ Western forces as colonialist. You can see other potential colonial powers like China use this to their advantage.

    • @colinslant
      @colinslant День тому

      "other potential colonial powers like China"
      Potential? China _is_ an empire. But they're not white, so apparently it's okay.

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan День тому

      The USSR had posters of the various nations which made up the USSR only the ethnic Russians are wearing modern style clothing in them.

  • @wicklowpatster
    @wicklowpatster 21 годину тому +3

    Thank you for saying this

  • @Drmcclung
    @Drmcclung 16 годин тому

    This is why as an American I've never had any respect for the British Royal Family, ever.. any timeline of it. The atrocities they've backed and the support they demanded for it, for centuries.. and the the cleverest trick of all was convincing the world in the early half of the 20th century that absolving themselves of any responsibility by "sitting idly and doing nothing" was their Godly duty. While still having the temerity to ask for a healthy taxpayer salary.

  • @corgispotter
    @corgispotter 6 годин тому

    It's brilliant that you mention this. I'm an Indian and I think it's so important for British people to read history written by non white historians to have an idea of what has happened in the last 500 years of the empire.

  • @shaundorney5342
    @shaundorney5342 4 години тому

    The sad thing is it wasn’t just the British that committed atrocities- all of Europe treated their ‘colonies’ supremely badly.

  • @DrAnarchy69
    @DrAnarchy69 День тому +2

    0:11 actually I did know that. It’s one of many reasons why I’m an Anarchist

  • @NankitaBR
    @NankitaBR День тому +7

    It always surprises me how little Portuguese people learn about history in their colonies in school. Like, as a Brazilian it honestly offends me how people don't even learn that a lot of the riches that allowed their country to have things like beautiful architecture, public buildings like big libraries, schools and universities, hospitals, churches, palaces, government offices, etc, came from the atrocities they committed here, and they don't have any idea of just *how much* their country *literally stole* from us. Like, without the things they stole from Brazil and all the slave labor they extracted from us, Portugal would be a much poorer country today and Brazil would be much richer. If the kind of colonization that happens here wasn't the kind of colonization they did (they didn't want to "colonize" the area, they had no intention of creating permanent settlements, they just wanted to take everything they could and leave once they got everything, it just happened that Brazil had a lot they could take, so they were here for 3 centuries and still had stuff they wanted to take left), if the kind of colonization that happened here was more akin to what happened in the US (aka, people actually moving in with the intention of creating permanent settlements), Brazil would be in a much better position in the world.
    Brazil today is what it is *despite* Portuguese colonization, not because of it. And it pisses me off that people in Portugal aren't even taught that.
    To be clear, I don't blame current Portuguese people for anything, neither am angry with them or anyone (including the descendants of the Portugal that actually ended up staying here a group of people that I'm probably part of too), I put the blame on all pf those things *solely* on the people in the past that did all of those things, I just think that this is a big part of *their* history that is being willfully ignored because it makes their country look bad.

  • @JamesWhite-ym5dx
    @JamesWhite-ym5dx День тому +2

    Are the james felton books a genuine source of information on this subject?

  • @django3422
    @django3422 18 годин тому

    Sincerely, thank you so much for using your platform to help make people aware of this.
    There's lots to enjoy and celebrate in our history and heritage. But we can't do that in good faith unless we also reckon with the bad.
    No, we dont have to be ashamed or guilty. But we need to be aware, we need to be honest about it, in order to make sure we aren't turning a blind eye to the continued impact the empire had on the world as a whole.
    If you want to learn more about some of this stuff, I really recommend the work of Robert Evans. He doesn't focus on the UK but has done some interesting episodes looking at the empire's actions and its legacy.

  • @irreversiblyhuman
    @irreversiblyhuman 40 хвилин тому

    Very important subject and yet, i guarantee, those who need to hear about it the most - will willfully ignore it

  • @etevenatkowicz9745
    @etevenatkowicz9745 3 години тому +1

    Don't know if you planned this, but this video came on the National Day of truth and reconciliation in Canada, where we commemorate the victims of genocide and child abuse. Some residential schools were in operation before all of Canada was confederated, although obviously the bulk of the atrocity was committed by Canadians, and, unsurprisingly, a lot of records were destroyed

  • @ParallelPenguins
    @ParallelPenguins День тому +1

    I feel like there should be a lot more taught to Brits about what the British empire was to the people it colonized. They should know what was done at least as well as the people living in those places now.

  • @meganrogers3571
    @meganrogers3571 6 годин тому +1

    "It's all our history" 💯

  • @nilo70
    @nilo70 4 години тому

    Thank You J. I Always learn Interesting Things here.
    Cheers From California 😎

  • @ToppyTree
    @ToppyTree День тому +76

    Are we the baddies?

    • @throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361
      @throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 День тому +13

      Our caps have skulls on them....

    • @lynnfisher3037
      @lynnfisher3037 День тому +18

      We ALL are the baddies. These are stories of human nature which whether we act on it or not is nonetheless present in all of us.

    • @ToppyTree
      @ToppyTree День тому +16

      The ICA exhibited some national archive material about Palestine and the middle east this summer. Reading them I couldn't help thinking how dull and bureaucratic much of it was. Banality of evil comes to mind

    • @AmberAmber
      @AmberAmber День тому +4

      Excellent Mitchell & Webb reference - but yes - colonialising everyone & thus creating the usa? Yeah - we're the baddies.
      *Well not "We" cos Im multi·mixed* - only ⅛th of me is the "baddies".
      GD we gotta get the hierarchies out of play & recognise soc reciprocity is always far more effective & sustainable.

    • @jacklav1
      @jacklav1 День тому

      ​@@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 Actually they've got crowns on because we like money and other people's jewels.

  • @YorozuyaGinChan
    @YorozuyaGinChan День тому +4

    Is this the girl who made a video on chainmail armour?

    • @jon-paulfilkins7820
      @jon-paulfilkins7820 День тому +5

      Sir Melon has yet to recover! 😜

    • @otterofdespair3387
      @otterofdespair3387 20 годин тому

      She should do more of that and less of this divisive rubbish.

    • @chrip8614
      @chrip8614 20 годин тому

      @@otterofdespair3387 What is wrong with shedding light on the past?

    • @jon-paulfilkins7820
      @jon-paulfilkins7820 19 годин тому

      @@otterofdespair3387 Such is history. Our past is a nasty, glorious, joyful and a depressing thing. We have been the bad guys, the good guys even the ones that have done the right thing by accident and the wrong thing with totaly good intentions. All of it should be talked about, the good bits celebrated as good examples, the bad bits recognised as the object lessons they are (and a warning to future generations).

  • @joecarom391
    @joecarom391 День тому +3

    Wasn’t Princess Kates family knee deep in „cotton trade“ and are still super millionaires to this day?

    • @tantuce
      @tantuce День тому +1

      I read her parents were the first generation millionaires in their family. They started their business when young

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +1

      Kate Middleton's Lupton ancestors owned a *woollen* mill. Cotton was not a major element in the family history.

    • @joecarom391
      @joecarom391 День тому

      @@tantuce that is incorrect they inherited several million upon the death of her dads grandmother

  • @Croz89
    @Croz89 День тому

    I can imagine the British government was worried they'd be buried in legal cases from every ex-colony for war crimes and whatever else. And imagine the amount of compensation if they won, it could have bankrupted a country still recovering from WWII. So they turned a blind eye. Now it's been long enough legal cases are an unlikely prospect so I guess it doesn't matter so much now.

  • @chocolatesugar4434
    @chocolatesugar4434 6 хвилин тому

    Thanks for sharing this truly important piece of the puzzle ❤

  • @simongee8928
    @simongee8928 10 годин тому

    The problem was that the British Empire had a 'holier than thou' mentality to it's policies and actions throughout.

  • @TheDarklingWolf
    @TheDarklingWolf День тому +44

    As a person from Northern Ireland, I'm well familiar with the British government and their penchant for both atrocities, and covering them up :P

    • @Belladonna-x2c
      @Belladonna-x2c День тому +4

      I was actually wondering whether this would be about the events of Bloody Sunday and the way you still can't name the perpetrators in certain nations.

    • @HerewardWake
      @HerewardWake День тому +3

      Can I genuinely ask why Northern Irish people think it's normal to be talking about 13 civilians killed in a war 50 years ago when that many people have been killed in places like Palestine or Ukraine in the past hour.

    • @NeoNovastar
      @NeoNovastar День тому +13

      ​@@HerewardWake If you're saying this, you're very well aware of the logical fallacies your statement contains.
      People can care about the trauma in their own history and also care about current atrocities.
      That's like saying "why do you care that your dad died 30 years ago, when people are starving to death in Africa now??" C'mon man. No need to be divisive like this.

    • @Belladonna-x2c
      @Belladonna-x2c День тому

      @@HerewardWakeMaybe because the Irish have been a steadfast ally of Palestine since the Nakba?
      Maybe because the pain of murdered family members doesn't just go away?
      Maybe because, 50 years from now, we'll still remember what is happening today, while your own spawn chastise us for remembering those atrocities?

    • @HerewardWake
      @HerewardWake День тому

      @@NeoNovastar Thing is it wasn't your dad dying 50 years ago and it's not trauma it's a self-indulgent grudge.

  • @simonmeadows7961
    @simonmeadows7961 18 годин тому +1

    I've long been dissuaded from the idea that you should either be proud or ashamed of your country's history. Unless I had a personal hand in something, actions undertaken by other people who just happen to have been born in the same country as me (or rathe, had the same citizenship) is just a series of facts. We can choose to assess their relative merits as their positives and negatives, but the pride/shame issue seems arbitrary and irrational.

  • @andrewlim9345
    @andrewlim9345 День тому

    Thanks for covering the migrated archives. Some of those documents from Malaya that were destroyed or shipped overseas would have related to the Malaysn Emergency.

  • @nadeemisthebest
    @nadeemisthebest День тому +1

    Am actually listening to “Inglorious Empire” by Shashi Tharoor (and read by the author) about the atrocities in India, and would recommend it in this context. Free via your local library on Libby.

  • @muradtalukdar4401
    @muradtalukdar4401 8 годин тому

    Caroline Elkin's Imperial Reckoning is a forensic level book worth reading.

  • @AisleEpe-oz8kf
    @AisleEpe-oz8kf День тому +1

    My people used the southern americas as a proving ground on how to make free people eun from their hones. Who says we can't export democracy? Fools they be. thanks tour guide lady

  • @mickaleneduczech8373
    @mickaleneduczech8373 День тому

    What still makes me shake my head is that when France was forced out of Viet Nam and the other Asian colonies, they exhumed all the bodies in the cemeteries and took them back to France.

  • @EdgyShooter
    @EdgyShooter День тому +2

    Er, what's going on with the Dutch in that poll? 🧐

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому

      By the 1950s they didn't have the resources to commit many atrocities in their colonies.

  • @Asher-mw3zo
    @Asher-mw3zo День тому +1

    Come out ye black and tans
    Come out and fight me like a man
    Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders

  • @BatmanuelTheCactus
    @BatmanuelTheCactus День тому

    You are doing such important work, thank you

    • @otterofdespair3387
      @otterofdespair3387 20 годин тому

      She's pursuing virtue points by trotting out the same boring anti-British rubbish that many people of her age and demography do these days to signal how wonderfully on trend and progressive they are.

    • @django3422
      @django3422 18 годин тому

      ​@@otterofdespair3387"her demography"?

  • @insertnamehere15253
    @insertnamehere15253 День тому

    Why are people even surprised anymore

  • @mortarman83095
    @mortarman83095 17 годин тому

    You know what the best part is? This is most likely still very much in use by modern day governments

  • @QALibrary
    @QALibrary 7 годин тому

    3:11 on the 26th of August 2024 - I got a call from a university friend who works for the Trinidad and Tobago government (Minister of the Attorney General And Legal Affairs) - part of their job is to make sure all government documents/information is available under the publications (legal deposit) act 1985.
    Some of the documents dumped into the sea they are trying to find/replace because no one has a copy of the laws/ordinances from a number of years ago:
    The main issues they have missing ordinances from Trinidad from the 1700s and 1800s
    To make it more interesting Trinidad and Tobago was at that time being ruled over by the French, British and Dutch.

  • @mojrimibnharb4584
    @mojrimibnharb4584 5 годин тому

    Recent calculations put the looting of India at US$40 TRILLION in current dollars.

  • @chilloutcentral2097
    @chilloutcentral2097 49 хвилин тому

    In the 1930s Winston Churchill
    , foreign minister, used mustard gas on the civilian Kurdish population in British Iraq, being the first government to used chemical weapons on the Kurds. This the sort of thing the UK bombed Iraq for many years later.

  • @tryingtolivethedream5277
    @tryingtolivethedream5277 11 годин тому

    As an American, I got a sweet education of British Empire thievery simply by visiting the British Museum when I stayed in London. The Crown was all about ripping off the treasures of conquered lands.
    That's why America America'ed!

    • @django3422
      @django3422 37 хвилин тому

      And isn't a good thing that America never messed with other countries in such a way...

  • @matt92hun
    @matt92hun 15 годин тому

    Just leave it to Britain to embarrass Britain.

  • @joost00555
    @joost00555 18 годин тому

    I wonder how we look at it here in the Netherlands. We did some awful stuff at the end of our rule of Indonesia with our "police actions" for which we had a draft and used the army, no policing about it. Recently a movie came out that also showed the ugly side that was broadly hidden and there were people who participated, even just as young drafted men, who felt personally attacked, instead of critically reflecting on it (also many of those young men were either implicitely or explicitely made to commit attrocities) which saddened me. We also keep ignoring our role in the slave trade locally. Several port cities that were heavily involved and had slaves pass through them on their way to the Americas try to pretend nothing happened and try to prevent monuments from being erected in their cities. But at least the king has publically expressed his apologies during the memorial last year, not just for what the country did, but also specifically the parts that his family was involved in and he is letting an inquiry take place to discover any other ugly parts there. But seriously, we abolished slavery in our western territories in the Caribbean and Suriname but forced the slaves to be in a kind of indentured servitude for another 10 years for those same masters, just so that those slavers weren't impacted too heavily. Priorities were not there where they should've been. Every good thing had to be undermined with a bad thing.

  • @maxximumb
    @maxximumb День тому +2

    I wonder if the UK tried to form an Empire today with the proliferation of social media and the speed information can be disseminated would the people of Britain still be proud of the Empire? Would we accept the military actions to suppress other people and their culture? Soldiers being used to put down opposition to the new rulers? People being moved off their ancestral lands so capitalism could make 'better use' of the natural resources? Were the Empire builders so different from the Nazis?

    • @HerewardWake
      @HerewardWake День тому +4

      You might be new to history but appropriation of land and suppression of culture and opposition has been a reality since about 3000BC.

    • @ChartreuseDan
      @ChartreuseDan День тому +3

      Contemporary examples of persecution and imperialism indicate that, if there's any substantial difference, consent and pride could be manufactured even faster than in the past

    • @arshputz
      @arshputz День тому +2

      I've heard young, educated, western people use the term "russophobia" when talking about Ukraine.
      So yeah, it still work today

    • @PastPresented
      @PastPresented День тому +2

      @@arshputz Russia's interesting because it's the ultimate example of the difference between imperial expansion by sea and imperial expansion by land. Expansion by land (as in Russia, the USA and China) creates an empire *masquerading as a nation.* Expansion by sea always creates "an empire" even if that empire is much smaller than a neighbouring land-expansion empire.

  • @anthonyferris8912
    @anthonyferris8912 4 години тому

    There's always a pool of smoke over Deli.

  • @dragoncrackers7660
    @dragoncrackers7660 День тому +1

    It's not like they didn't know that what they were doing was wrong but they justified it by claiming to be "protecting" them... to the point where a lot of people believed it to be true. The British Empire was far from alone... The French, Spanish, US expansion, Russia. Even people within the conquered areas were turning on their own people.
    There was a whole lot of wrong going around and it was all in a bid for power... Maps are how you showed superiority during that time. All of the kings were classically educated and wanted their own Roman Empire. The epic pissing contest.

    • @django3422
      @django3422 18 годин тому

      And it ultimately led to WWI. Millions dead, just to satisfy egos.

  • @ariebrons7976
    @ariebrons7976 12 годин тому

    Tell me about it.
    During the revolts in North Africa my grandfather fled to Israel;
    These revolts are the reason for why France's official name is
    "The Fifth French Republic".
    France is still embarassed about it.

  • @stevoc9930
    @stevoc9930 7 годин тому

    The British government/military/intelligence were still committing atrocities in Northern Ireland right upto the 90's. As revealed in a recent BBC documentary series.