I find people fuss too much about blade steel. Good steel is good steel. All the new “super steels” just start to seem like a resale gimmick after a while. “You have the same knife in X steel and Y steel, but now you need it in Z steel”. Have a great day!
Appreciate the video and info. I’m a big fan of the Buck 110, and I like to collect similar knives made by its many competitors. Never heard of Grohmann, so now I’ve got another knife to chase down😄
Oh, very cool! I remember seeing these here in the US in some of the very old Gun / Hunting Magazines. They were always the fixed blades though, I don't remember if they had folders in them or not.
I have owned a D. H. Russell Trout and Bird knife by Grohmann since the 1980’s and the thing that separates most of their knives from the pack isn’t readily discernible from just looking at it. But when you start to use it, especially if you have to skin and butcher game in the field you will appreciate the overall shape of the knife. If you notice by holding it in profile there is a slight V where the point of the V is where the handle and blade converge, right back of where there are serrations for your thumb. This shape and the willow leaf shape of the blade itself makes this knife superior, in my humble opinion, to any other design when it comes to a lot (but not all) tasks. I found this out by accident years ago when hunting elk and killed one only to discover I had left my bigger knife in camp so I had to field dress with my Trout and Bird. Mine is carbon steel and although it doesn’t seem to compare to more modern steels it takes a fine edge and is very easy to quickly resharpen. The design more than makes up for the use of “old fashioned” steel. Can’t recommend it enough.
Great knife. Grohmann was actually brought to Canada by the NS government in 1955. They set him up with a shop in Pictou, which ran for three years. The government then pulled funding. He and his son then went to work for Trenton Steel. In 1957, D.H. Russell, the private secretary to Mackenzie King, then commissioned him to make a Canadian belt knife. Later, Grohmann continued in business for himself and his family. Great knives. Have a great day!
They pronounce their name as "grow men" not gorman. I've got the larger and smaller versions of this knife (300s & 340s respectively) and though I have no knowledge of the blade steel they use they are both two of the best knives I've owned over the past 20+ years. I edc the 340 often...never failed. The 300 is a biggen. I carry that one in Boundary Waters and other extended trips where it comes in handy in camp. I never bothered to look up the steel used I just use the steel as I need it to be used and I've had no problems. The knives do good work. I need to find the #6 next.
I don't mind them using a stainless steel similar to AUS-6/440A considering the knife is compared alot to the Buck 110. AUS-6/440A should perform better than Buck's 420HC. Buck does the best they can with that steel but it still is about as basic as a stainless steel gets. 440A/AUS-6 would be an upgrade to Bucks 420HC.
Yo! Surely that depends on application? I keep meaning to replicate your Buck 420HC cutting test with my own edge on a blade in that steel. I have recently played a very little with some Kershaw fillet knives in 420J2 which is an extremely tough, low carbide, budget 420 iteration. These cheap thin slicey fillet blades were able to cleanly flick-cut empty beer cans in two, showing no discernible edge damage. Quite interesting. Make more videos bro, I'm starving ;D
@dongkhamet1351 Hey! You have a point. Im looking for that 420j2 film on your channel page. Will I find it there? Im working on a couple different films right now but keep running into difficulties. I'll have something soon. Thank you!
@mcsquirgle the 420J2 videos are all fairly recent and name the steel in the title. A couple shorts and one that is still quite short. Since you are interested in folders and the thing is cheap as chips I recommend to you the Kershaw 6" folding fillet, if you think you might have use for one. You will be hard pressed to find a pointier, slicier folding knife at any price.
I wouldn't really call it an upgrade. Massively inferior toughness, slightly better edge retention, and comparable stain resistance. I would call it more of a lateral move.
@@JosephAllen-d2e I had not heard that it was massively inferior in toughness. I know it has more chromium in it than 420 HC. But it also has more manganese, molybdenum and silicon which typically increase strength. Also more carbon. The ingredients list just seems to have more of everything in it.
Id buy this as a great skinning knife double duty as an edc blade like my old buck knives but im the elipitical blade of grohmans and other canadian style blades makes them superior skinning - butchering knives ive got three old murphy blades made in usa with elipitical blades and the handle style like the grohmans just great blades imo and i should buy this one over the 110 for a general edc blade again because of the handle - blade shape
the price is way to high for what it is, the steel is so basic. of course the history is ther. i would love to buy one bu, i cannot justify the price for such a basic steel. for the price i buy knives with Magnacut or other high end steels. history is not everything.
Edge geometry trumps blade steel. This is according to the designer of Magnacut steel. Achieving good edge geometry on any steel takes time and resources. Hence one may expect to pay more for superior edge geometry. Knife steel is not everything.
I find people fuss too much about blade steel. Good steel is good steel. All the new “super steels” just start to seem like a resale gimmick after a while. “You have the same knife in X steel and Y steel, but now you need it in Z steel”. Have a great day!
agreed!
Appreciate the video and info. I’m a big fan of the Buck 110, and I like to collect similar knives made by its many competitors. Never heard of Grohmann, so now I’ve got another knife to chase down😄
Oh, very cool! I remember seeing these here in the US in some of the very old Gun / Hunting Magazines. They were always the fixed blades though, I don't remember if they had folders in them or not.
I have owned a D. H. Russell Trout and Bird knife by Grohmann since the 1980’s and the thing that separates most of their knives from the pack isn’t readily discernible from just looking at it. But when you start to use it, especially if you have to skin and butcher game in the field you will appreciate the overall shape of the knife. If you notice by holding it in profile there is a slight V where the point of the V is where the handle and blade converge, right back of where there are serrations for your thumb. This shape and the willow leaf shape of the blade itself makes this knife superior, in my humble opinion, to any other design when it comes to a lot (but not all) tasks. I found this out by accident years ago when hunting elk and killed one only to discover I had left my bigger knife in camp so I had to field dress with my Trout and Bird. Mine is carbon steel and although it doesn’t seem to compare to more modern steels it takes a fine edge and is very easy to quickly resharpen. The design more than makes up for the use of “old fashioned” steel. Can’t recommend it enough.
You cannot go wrong with those knives ! I have many.👍
Great knife. Grohmann was actually brought to Canada by the NS government in 1955. They set him up with a shop in Pictou, which ran for three years. The government then pulled funding. He and his son then went to work for Trenton Steel. In 1957, D.H. Russell, the private secretary to Mackenzie King, then commissioned him to make a Canadian belt knife. Later, Grohmann continued in business for himself and his family. Great knives. Have a great day!
They make a Canadian belt knife that i absolutely need 😂
Hollow grind is meant for soft material like meat. The harder it is the more resistance results.
Lol😂 i just clicked on their website at the top of Google and it took me to a funko pop store
They pronounce their name as "grow men" not gorman. I've got the larger and smaller versions of this knife (300s & 340s respectively) and though I have no knowledge of the blade steel they use they are both two of the best knives I've owned over the past 20+ years. I edc the 340 often...never failed. The 300 is a biggen. I carry that one in Boundary Waters and other extended trips where it comes in handy in camp. I never bothered to look up the steel used I just use the steel as I need it to be used and I've had no problems. The knives do good work. I need to find the #6 next.
Nice craftsmanship , heavy duty , very traditional and original. Not my style but Enjoy !
That is a well made good looking knife
I don't mind them using a stainless steel similar to AUS-6/440A considering the knife is compared alot to the Buck 110. AUS-6/440A should perform better than Buck's 420HC. Buck does the best they can with that steel but it still is about as basic as a stainless steel gets. 440A/AUS-6 would be an upgrade to Bucks 420HC.
Yo! Surely that depends on application?
I keep meaning to replicate your Buck 420HC cutting test with my own edge on a blade in that steel.
I have recently played a very little with some Kershaw fillet knives in 420J2 which is an extremely tough, low carbide, budget 420 iteration.
These cheap thin slicey fillet blades were able to cleanly flick-cut empty beer cans in two, showing no discernible edge damage.
Quite interesting.
Make more videos bro, I'm starving ;D
@dongkhamet1351 Hey! You have a point. Im looking for that 420j2 film on your channel page. Will I find it there?
Im working on a couple different films right now but keep running into difficulties. I'll have something soon. Thank you!
@mcsquirgle the 420J2 videos are all fairly recent and name the steel in the title. A couple shorts and one that is still quite short.
Since you are interested in folders and the thing is cheap as chips I recommend to you the Kershaw 6" folding fillet, if you think you might have use for one. You will be hard pressed to find a pointier, slicier folding knife at any price.
I wouldn't really call it an upgrade. Massively inferior toughness, slightly better edge retention, and comparable stain resistance. I would call it more of a lateral move.
@@JosephAllen-d2e I had not heard that it was massively inferior in toughness. I know it has more chromium in it than 420 HC. But it also has more manganese, molybdenum and silicon which typically increase strength. Also more carbon. The ingredients list just seems to have more of everything in it.
Id buy this as a great skinning knife double duty as an edc blade like my old buck knives but im the elipitical blade of grohmans and other canadian style blades makes them superior skinning - butchering knives ive got three old murphy blades made in usa with elipitical blades and the handle style like the grohmans just great blades imo and i should buy this one over the 110 for a general edc blade again because of the handle - blade shape
TEST THE STEEL
the price is way to high for what it is, the steel is so basic. of course the history is ther.
i would love to buy one bu, i cannot justify the price for such a basic steel.
for the price i buy knives with Magnacut or other high end steels. history is not everything.
Edge geometry trumps blade steel. This is according to the designer of Magnacut steel.
Achieving good edge geometry on any steel takes time and resources. Hence one may expect to pay more for superior edge geometry.
Knife steel is not everything.
Fit and finish is going to be the big cost here they are handmade and extremely well made. Yes the blade steel us basic but it still preforms well
It is unprofessional to don't write what kind of steel they use