Loyal Toyota Customers Are Walking!! This is WHY..
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- The Toyota Truck and SUV platforms are changing.. DRASTICALLY! Are you excited with where Toyota is heading with the turbo charged and hybrid platforms? Or are you disappointed in what we are seeing? Let me know!
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$70,000 4-cylinder taco!
LMFAO!!!
Omg! Not more horsepower and better mpg and a transmission that doesn’t hunt for gears! Lol
There's always the $80,000 Capstone Tundra! Go for broke!
Turbo will never be as reliable as NA@@scottstewart8737
10yr old tundra in Australia are still selling for $130k🤷♂️
@scottstewart8737 haha try towing and off roading with a stupid small engine with a turbo
Not just Toyota when it comes to truck prices. Everyone got super greedy. Little value for a lot of money PERIOD.
But you can get a full size V8 for the price of these tacos. A really nice one too. I’m very happy with 19.3 miles a gallon and 400 naturally aspirated horses.
All manufacturers are producing garbage, I had a general manager of a dealership tell me this on the showroom floor!
Never thought I'd say this, but the Nissan Frontier is a better buy than a new Tacoma. Normally aspirated V6, less expensive and probably more reliable.
They did the same thing to the Highlander . I bought a 2022 Highlander and didn’t know that was the last year of the V6 . I won’t buy a larger vehicle with a 4 cylinder no way no how .
Nissan has a huge opportunity for their Frontier and Titans to steal a huge chunk of Toyota's market share and brand loyalty.
Lot of people I know are buying the new frontier. For the price, I'm considering it too. Toyota fucked up bad.
I had 2 Nissan Frontiers, nowhere near the quality and performance of a Toyota Tacoma!
Titans just as bad in price.
@@emb647 No one buys a Nissan for its quality and reliability...
From the comments I have seen on many videos, a lot of Taco men are doing just that. They find the Frontier a much better value. Not made in Mexico either. I'm a lifelong Nissan driver. I just wish they'd complete the package by offering a stick shift option. Nissan builds a very durable manual, and that kind of simplicity would go very well with the new truck's image.
I won't pay that kind of money, and to top it off, it's a four-banger. PASS!
You all are in DENIAL about that POS V6 and the overall truck. Horrible driver seat positioning and the V6 is slow and doesn’t know what it’s doing. The current turbo engine is superior to the V6
@@vin2689ny lets see in 20 years what's superior
@@vin2689ny HA HA HA Ha. That 4 cylinder will fail with that turbo. It will stress the crap out of that engine
OK a lot of people are blaming Toyota and the other car companies. Hate to say this.... But this isn't the car makers. This is all the people that voted Biden and caused the super-flation. Just because we haven't high inflation in 30+years doesnt mean its not gonna happen. If you voted Democrat, know that you caused this. Decisions at the ballot box DO MATTER. Anyway, do some research before you blame Toyota... They have to buy all the parts and materials. The lift in prices is commensurate with inflation. Again, cars are no different than apples. Inflation pushes all prices up.
@@vin2689nyI'm sure you've heard of the phrase "if it isn't broken don't fix it". They F'ed up ditching a solid V6 and now overly stressing a 4 cyl. Too many bugs and even more sensors to fail. Nothing loyal fans have demanded and asked for have been met. Everything Toyota has touched with this truck has gone to shit. YOU are a moronic idiot if you believe this new powerplant wont have issues. Ditching the V8 as well for the Tundra? Maybe you and Toyota should hash out the placement for a tampon dispenser within the cab. Typical corporate greed and giving the consumer the middle finger. Shame on you for falling for their smoke and mirrors.
Why are Tacoma prices the same as Tundra prices the same as Lexus prices ? 😂😂
Right, and they're sticking 4 cylinders in those things now. 🤢
The new Taco is a better design compared to the Tundra. The Taco turbo, hybrid puts out 320 plus hp.
@@moorefacts6605 who gives 2 shits if it only lasts 100k?
Hybrids with tax ae 72k not including dealers market adjustment
@@371kenny That's pretty good since the American trucks are lucky to make 60k lol
Nissan sales will go up
No, those aren't great either. Modern emission standards, government over regulation, and corporate greed is why there is no such thing as a reliable brand. Toyota is turning into GM and Ford. Nissan is getting in the same boat.
Renault owned lol
Have you seen the price of the Nissan frontier? It’s more expensive than the Tacoma. And it’s only available in pro 4 FX
If you are buying to keep, get the Honda ridgeline. If you are leasing get the Tacoma for 4 years. You will be fine. The Tacoma has a 4 cylinder turbo GDI engine plus hybrid. A recipe for disaster.
@@jaythemechanic4950 You are mistaken, I can buy a new Nissan at several dealers here in Oregon or Washington for $36-$37K out the door. That will get me a V-6 9spd auto 4x4 with all the basic equipment with a tow package , factory spray in bed liner and the 110 power in the cab and bed. The basic Pro 4 models are starting at $40-$41k here also.
"I'm so excited about the new 4-cylinder Taco!"...said no truck owner EVER!!!
Just nerds that never use it as a truck. They haul their laptops and game boys
Except the simps getting paid to hustle for them.
Yeah, Toyota blew this one.
Got two tacomas 2000 sr5 2012 sr5 4x4 4cylinder 5 speed both Yes excited.2000 bought new 2012 son bought new I bought it from Him. People want these trucks when they hear that they have 2.7 manual trans
Might as well mod a Civic, stretch it a bit, put a Tacoma body and interior on it.
Call it a Civicoma.
When Toyota's president said "no more boring cars," I knew the company was done for. The old Toyota that we know and love is gone. Simple, reliable, bulletproof cars are the reason Toyota is the number one seller of cars in the world. Why they decided to change up the game plan, will bewilder me until the day I die. They won the game. Now they're just screwing around because they're bored or something.
Making $70k Tacoma is like making $5000 hammer.
100 💯 agree with you less for your money at bigger price tag. Save your 3rd gens Tacomas I will.
Mines slowly rusting away, and I'm out of time on the frame recall.😢
I agree I’m keeping my 2016 trd off road I paid 31k out the door
I've never been a truck guy but... I at least understand that the simplicity of Toyota trucks back in the day seems to be what attracted people to them. The longevity. Add complexity, hybrid, turbo on a small gas engine...
Can they really get 300k+ miles?
Can these little 4 cylinder gas engines really handle turbo over that many miles? So many extra things to go wrong.
for a four cylinder.
Never
UNBELIEVABLE, am DONE with toyota, GREED YODA
Thankyou. Now maybe the price will come down if more of you loyal toyota buyers stop buying high.
ZR 2 53K Raptor 57K TRD pro 65-70K. SR5 55K. Ranger XLT FX4 55K. Frontier (loaded) Pro 4X 50K. In short Toyota priced themselves right out of the segment. 💯
@@HiPlains1did you pull this numbers out of ass? Of course you did because putting the correct pricing here won't suit your anti Toyota agenda.
@@Reu_ag Nope. Check out Ben hardys video where he compares an XLT, PRo 4x and a Toy Sr5. Just watch that for starters. They all have the same MSRP within a few hundred. Ford has already published raptor prices as GM has with the ZR 2. Just over a week ago Toyota released that 65-70K dollar price point for their trail hunter/TRD pro. Not pulling anything out of nothing. You can look that shit up for yourself before making a fool of yourself here. I personally was looking forward to the new taco but its unfortunately not priced competitively with the segment. I don't have anti "toyota agendas" like you claim. I used to own a toyota Prado overseas with the D4D diesel and it was a fantastic SUV.
@@HiPlains1Just a week a go my brother in law picked up a TRD offroad 6ft bed for $47k after the usual expenses it was just under $49k, so there's no way an sr5 is 55k!
Was going to buy a Toyota Tacoma TRD pro. Couldn't justify the sticker price. Bought a brand new 2024 Chevy Colorado zr2 yesterday for 48k
I am in the same boat looking at the canyon AT4X.
Looked at those too, there nice. Zr2 front end just sold me.
@@jerrettsimon1849 both great trucks. Congrats. What color did you go with?
nice tk
Go buy a rivian
I have a 2016 Tacoma that I bought new. It has a V-6. It will probably be the last one I ever buy.
Not difficult to understand. Wish I had one too.
I have a 2016 Taco with 126,000 bought new in September of 2015
My son has a 2017. 140k miles
bought a 2017 trd sport brand new! OTD 43k! w/ taxes v6 in los angeles! included 100k extended warranty and gap. lol
I knew something was coming when i bought my 2022 Tacoma TRD off road new. Got the lifetime warranty and just hit 6,000 miles at the 2 year mark. Going to last forever! Crazy thing is i see dealerships selling ‘22’s with 60k miles for $45,000 i only paid $39,000 OTD for mine.
The Nissan Frontier is a bargain v6 310 horsepower has amazing reviews.
Looks pretty good too.
The styling of the new 4Runner looks good, it’s just a bit too much for a 50 year old, that’s me. Going used GX
Leased one for a year when I was living in PA for work. Awesome truck, that’s the first Nissan I ever drove and I really enjoyed it. Sticker price was 46k for the pro 4x fully loaded. Still pricey but considering the market it’s not bad.
Greed for one. There’s also a big push to eliminate car ownership by making cars unaffordable on top of the “environmental” policies. But, we’ll see if Toyota/dealerships lower prices once sales truly start hurting.
Its the American greed, everbody is greedy.
this guy gets it
“Less options and less ability to choose.” That is becoming reality not just in the automobile industry, it’s true with many freedoms we once enjoyed in this country and the world at large. It’s not about what we the people want, it’s about what the powers to be want us to have. Don’t want to get political here but it’s unavoidable.
it is not unavoidable.....we just need to elect leaders that are AMERICA FIRST.......i will just leave it at that!
If I can't have what I want, I don't want anything. Not going to purchase something with my hard earned money that I don't like, or am not satisfied with. Especially if it's OVERPRICED.
I think you are still free to not buy something you don't want.
You sound like a Democrat, that keeps voting Democrat, expecting different results. And then one day, when it's too late, you come around and vote RINO 😂 victim mindset
@@PlanetByeByehmmmmmm....if you live in certain places no you are not free to NOT BUY. You NEED a vehicle.
This is exactly why I picked up a used 21 4 Runner for all of these exact reasons I will never buy a turbo engine
This is why you should walk
I agree 100% with you on all points especially bigger money for a lot less vehicles!
You don't have to buy one
I still have my 04 Toyota Tundra 4.7L V8. Only 110000 miles. My mechanic told me it will easily go over 300,000 with no problems. I guess I won't be buying any new hybrid Toyotas anymore.
This is why my next truck is probably going to be a Frontier
I had a taco for 16 years and went with a frontier. I’ve had both, my brother has had both as well. They last. I love mine.
I actually really like the new 4cyl Turbo engines and new transmissions. The biggest issues with the new Tacoma are 1) Build Quality and Fit and Finish are just plain not good and some of the plastics look cheap 2) Pricing, way, way too expensive MSRPs, never mind the dealer markups / add-ons.
Lmao 68k for this?? I own a 2023 TRD pro taco fully loaded for 52k ... this's absurd but at least they're not hiding ripping you off to your face. This truck is clearly overpriced and inflated by 20k easy even with the bigger tires 😂. Just insane. I hope people stop buying their bs.
Yes go Hyundai 10 warranty on drive train
52k is also absurd for a Tacoma
@@probegt75 not for a TRD pro fully loaded
Initially I was pretty pumped up about the 4th gen Tacoma. Not anymore. I’ll just be hanging onto my 2019 Tacoma Sport for the exact reasons you cite.
The absolute worst, and I can’t emphasize this enough, WORST part of this is that the entire automotive industry, and not just Toyota, is in a state of denial about the situation they’re in with overinflated prices and slumping sales. There isn’t a single car lot in the country that isn’t overrun with inventory they can’t move and it just keeps piling up because people have been priced out of the market. Banks have tightened their lending standards and until the economy actually starts to recover, good luck getting a loan if your credit isn’t top tier.
But the dealers would rather sell off their inventory to auction than nix the ridiculous markups. Most people would gladly pay a little above fair market value for a car or truck as long as they could get financing at a reasonable interest rate, and not see 20k in markups baked into the deal.
Not happening, and probably never will again. Let it all burn…
Sucker born every minute...= Toyota Fanboys
People like me are jumping off the -toilet- Toyota bandwagon in grooves.
They’re feens, they will still buy them. I see tons of these on the road where I live. 5eyre selling, don’t let these videos make you think people are getting the upper hand. Toyota is laughing their asses off, because now they build them in Mexico, and sell them to us naïve Americans.
Nothing wrong with being a Toyota fan, they have been the most reliable thing on the road for decades, but what they are doing now is driving the fans away ... and thats understandable. I will still buy a Toyota over everything else, just not the current generation of Tacoma/Tundra, and not a 3rd gen Tacoma.
Way way overpriced
And already breaking down!
Get the frontier before its too late and thats gone with a remake. Its the last one of its kind. Like the 4runner is the last. They all changing. Just get the frontier. It will last you many years.
That’s how all these greedy companies are, “We’re gonna give you less but charge you more”
My 2017 "TRD OFF ROAD" just went up in value! Not a four cylinder, but a real 6!
No access cab any more: an enclosed stretch cab or 4 doors. With a 6 foot box, the Tacoma becomes a Tundra sized truck.
If I wanted a Tundra, I would buy one.
I am a life long Toyota owner, and I don't mind when keeping my Tacoma for a while. They are, essentially, bulletproof. Every week, someone asks me if I was thinking of selling it.
By looking at the stickers doesn’t look like they’re getting better gas mileage.
The turbo 4cyl is ONLY for emissions standards. Has nothing to do with mpg. Even the hybrids don't have an improvement on mpg... they get more horse power.
@@uploderpilotsince so many people are gonna drag race them. What a joke. I agree with you
I’m lucky to get 19 mpg in my gen 3, so a 4 cylinder hybrid absolutely BETTER have improved mpg rating, I’m thinking in the 25-30 mpg range, which would be decent. In my mind, it would actually justify some price increase over the previous gen because it also has more power and torque. Still gonna let Toyota work out the kinks for a few years before I even think of considering one though.
70k plus other fees and as soon as you leave the dealer it is a used car and already has a value of 40K. It's just stupid.
Don’t blame Toyota dealers, blame the customers dumb enough to buy it.
Bingo!!!!
I wasn't ready to buy a new Tacoma, i wanted to wait another couple of years, but when i found out last year that Toyota was discontinuing the V6 and just going to a turbo 4 I said to my self no way was i going to buy a turbo 4 in a pick up truck so i went ahead and bought a v6 last year while i could still get one and it was for 44k which i thought was outrageous because it costed more than my first house. After hearing the price on these trucks i am glad i did. when ever i get ready to buy another one i guess i will have to buy a Nissan. I don't like Nissan but 3 things i have to have before i buy a pick up. 1 a full frame. 2 at least a v6 or a V8 and 3, a real transmission not a glorified lawn mower transmission they call a cvt. I personally wont buy a car or truck with a turbo unless its diesel. Hopefully it will be a long time before i have to consider buying another car or truck though if ever at my age because i keep my cars and trucks for 20 years its the only way with what they cost now that i can get my moneys worth out of them. looks like to me that Toyota has switched over to planned obsolescence with these trucks like a lot of the other company's have switched over to like kitchen appliances and heat pumps. I had a whirlpool fridge that lasted me 40 years my stove and washer and dryer lasted over 20 now you are lucky to get one to last 10. Corporations have become so Greedy, crooked, and dirty its unbelievable but America destroyed the free market economy thus destroying their competition so they can get away with it now. Great video and you are telling the truth good on you.
I wouldn't even pay $70K for an F250, 2500, etc. I give up.
Frontier for me....v4 with two turbos is a nightmarish scenario. Overheated engine, extra stress.....etc no thanks
Inline 4 not v4 but yea
1 turbo
I'm in UK and had the nissan navara np300 new on lease in 2017 which I believe is the euro version of the frontier, 2.3 bi turbo diesel 6spd manual and it was the best vehicle I've ever had. Did 130k in 3 years and only ever went back to nissan for service. Only needed a set of brakes and tyres and did 40mpg all day every day. when I put it in for its 1st MOT it passed with no advisories. I'd have another one but you can only get 2nd hand now as nissan stopped selling them here. Think you can get 2020 model with 30k on the clock for around £25k
4 cylinder turbo engine, it 's epic shit! Low speed overheats, truck paralyzes 😂😅🤭
Not about “over hearing” but more about heat soak. Try that in hot weather - in traffic and see how that’s going to play out lol
48 month loans are a thing of the past. Welcome to 96 month loans. More interest for the banks and moretime before your vehicle is out of date/style and you will need a new car before the loan is paid off.
They’re not forcing you to buy these things.
Thank you for your video. I did not even think about how you will have to take your truck in for any mods to be done.
1) It should not be a lifestyle. 2) Stop being fanboys. 3) Buy vehicles that meet your needs and are reliable. Screw this 4 cylinder turbo crap.
It's not just the greedy dealers, its greedy car makers.
Hurts my eyes just looking at the 4th gen body style. 3rd gen Taco forever!😊🤙🏾
Totally agree with you. And on top of that, jacking up the price like crazy
Yeah 4 cylinders used to be the cheap ones
F Toyota as a Company.
Agree
F the EPA
@@oldschoolnews2042yeah, those are more simps screwing us while milk taxpayer funded salaries. Just like all the poolitucians in DC. Straight milking us hard for $200k year while selling us all out.
@@oldschoolnews2042
I was going to say this. F the EPA. They don't really give a damn about us, or the environment. It's a money grab for elites in the government at the expense of the regular American people. The laws they implement are unrealistic, and make things way more expensive, and far less reliable.
Screw that. I'll keep my '16 Off-road until it rusts out and blows away in the wind.
You can either afford something or you can't. It's that simple.
The biggest problem they have is having yes people in the r&d departments. People need to tell them the truth so they can fix the problems
I’m keeping my 2016 v6 taco because is a lot simpler and it’s paid for!
PT Barnum said it perfectly “There’s one born every minute “.
You don't have to buy one
Just payed off 2019 Toyota Tacoma and I wouldn’t trade that for anything
You nailed it bud. Thank goodness the Frontier still exists.
Fantastic video and all valid points! Personally, I miss the iForce V8 engine most.
Toyota done fucked up with these 24s
Toyota knows there are idiots who will pay that price.
Until we stop buying at this price nothings going to change
Always loved yotas I've had 6 of them (4runners, tacomas, scions, camrys) and I agree with everything you said. Everyone expected them to be more expensive but not like this. Also when the new tundra came out it had alot of waste gate problems which didn't help instill confidence in these new vehicles.
I am a college student and I have been working on a research paper about environmental regulations have been affecting the automotive industry specifically toyota (I have a 2018 TRD OR). Turbos are currently being added to smaller engine displacements in order to make up for loss power and more importantly fuel economy. Im not a thermal dynamics specialist but I know that turbos allow these smaller engines to perform at an optimal pressure point for better gas mileage than the current naturally aspirated V6 and V8 counterparts. Of course this is all due to regulation and cannot be helped when it comes to which car companies benefits from which political agenda and vice versa.
My mom just bought the new lexus gx 550 for 10k cheaper than a 24 TRD OR taco. Lexus doesnt do any dealership markup. Yes it has a twin turbo engine. However lexus has used this same engine since 2018 and little to no problems have been documented so far. We have had the best experience with lexus and there is practically no price gouging. I love Toyota and I always will because of how well know they are for making great cars, but I think from now on Ill veer towards lexus just because we have had a better experience buying the car, customization of the car, lack of price gouging, and overrall service
RIDICULOUS!!! hanging on to my 2019 SR5 Tacoma. I’m done with Toyota now!
13k for a leveling kit is diabolical!
1995 Toyota T100 3.4L V6 manual was sold on BAT last week for $20k
My opinion-ended up getting a 2000 LX 470 with low milage/ well kept. Now building it to my liking for long travel! V8 ins nice!
The price and the power train is the reason-toyota should have offered a V6
Loyal toyota guy here! My last 3vvehicles: 2001 4runner, 2005 lexus gx470, 2017 tacoma. My new truck: 2024 nissan frontier. Toyota has gone dumb with $$$ and only 4 cylinder turbo, not to mention built in mexico.
👍W take. I did some brief research on turbos after hearing about the Tundra waste gate issues, and found out that turbos spin anywhere from 25k to 150k rpms. The maths don't lie, you'll have to maintain that turbo and have it inspected/replaced every so often, which often requires lifting the cab off the frame
Tacoma’s fangirls still defending the price like crazy 🤣🤣🤣
I'll get a Frontier with a nice V6 Thank You, not having an expensive Tacoma , made in Mexico with a dam turbo.
The biggest issue is split in two;
1) the cost of the vehicles. All vehicle's need to drop half the cost.
2) the complexity of the vehicle systems. Who in there right mind would want a turbo instead of a natural aspitated vehicls?
I have a 2nd gen and have had several new tacomas over decades. I can afford 68k but not nearly that stupid. already looking at other manufacturers. thank you Toyota! I'm saving my cash.
I ordered a new 2017 4WD Offroad with all the bells & whistles in 2016. And I bought it to be my last vehicle. Paid 40k total. I’m 68. I Drove my previous Tacoma for 22 years.
My truck has 50k EASY miles on it and is as new. Always garaged. It’s 22 miles from here to the first traffic light. I’ll drive this one until I’m done then my grandson can drive it until the wheels fall off. I do. Still like to swing into the dealership when I’m down off the mountain in town just to screw with the car Salesmen. It’s fun to tell them I’ll NEVER buy another one. .
Picked up a 2020 Taco late last year. Probably the last Toyota for me.
I have owned 5 Toyota trucks and 1 car. It is fair to say I have been A life long Toyota owner. However at 65 I have switched to GMC. You get a lot more truck for your money.
I bought my 2016 Tacoma base model 4 cylinder right before Covid (I know it’s a 4 banger but It has a 6ft bed, I love it and it’s all I need)and recently crashed it. cost my insurance 21k to fix it and it wasn’t totaled because it actually jumped up in value. Blessed I did not have to deal with this bs and buy a new truck.
I think people are afraid of the the turbo platform and sticker shock. You can get a lower trimmed vehicle in the new platform that is comparable in price to a mid-high trimmed prior gen, and still have better tech, more HP/Torque/MPG etc. I think consumers are just not ready for that shift, and I doubt they end up paying a ton of money for a higher trimmed Tacoma/Tundra because its foolish financially. But all things considered, these are much better vehicles than the prior gens. Longevity is TBD and Im sure they'll need to iron out the kinks. But with EPA mandates, all manufacturers are/will doing the same.
The EPA is mandating better fuel economy as they should. The fact is Toyota and others are using cheaper parts and not passing any savings on. There is no planet on which it costs more to make a 4 cylinder turbo vrs a V8. And they moved to the new frame so SAVE money!
Well keeps the value higher on my 22. If I knew I had another year of the 3rd gen I would have waited for a 6' bed. Was next to impossible to find an Off Road in lunar rock. I have no interest in the 4th gen and the port add-ons. 16k more for the same truck only two years later Get the F out of here!!!!
It gets worse when you factor in that you can buy a Ranger, Colorado, Nissan for 5-10K less feature for feature. When a Sr5 cost the same as a loaded Ranger XLT FX4 you have a problem. Or that same SR5 costs the same as a fully loaded Frontier PRo 4X. They can't sustain something that much more over the competition. I mean a loaded Raptor at 57K or a TRD pro for 65-70K? They have done lost their minds.
Funny you mentioned waiting.. was talking to a guy waiting for his 2023 to get delivered this week.. seems like the last remaining orders are still squeaking out 🤔
@@westcoasttaco Funny how the supply chain can take months to hit lots. Fact is they shut down the third gen last nov. Retooling probably took a few months at the two plants in Mexico and production began early this year. They plan on making over 300k/year. If they do, at these MSRP's i can definitely see the lots start to swell up. At 300K year that is litearlly 100K more then before. Should be interesting.
prices of low mileage gen3 tacos going up in my area
@@westcoasttacoTacomas were still selling at a rate of around 20k units a month all last year even though people knew what was coming. This year Toyota has only sold about 21k by the end of March. I bet a lot of those were the remaing ‘23s as well.
Everyone blaming the manufacturer but no one talks about these greedy fake rules and regulators who make the manufactures play by their rules. In Australia they still sell diesel Toyotas
$800-$1000 a month payment for a midsize pickup truck 😂😂😂😂
The biggest frustration is Tundra and Taco prices. $15K-$20K overpriced. Shoppers see the MSRP, laugh, and walk away.
The price
The end
😂
I'd buy a nissan 6 cyn and not a toyota which has change
Owned three tacoma over the years and was super excited for these until everything you just said. Opted to put a new engine in my old truck, no payment, no upside-down
I don't really mind the switch to 4 cylinder turbos, though I do think it's valid that some people are concerned with reliability and all that. I bought a '22 Outback Wilderness new that has a turbocharged 4 banger and it's been fine for me. The problem with these newer Toyotas is mainly the price. With taxes and fees, $50k is only getting you a lower-mid range Tacoma these days. You're absolutely correct that people are upside-down the minute they sign the paperwork. If I could get into a base model 4x4 for low $30k range I'd probably buy one. It seems those days are gone unfortunately, and so is my willingness to shop the brand for trucks.
I bought a 23’ manual Tacoma in October before these 24s came out. Doubt I will go back to Toyota for the price point and power train I will shop other manufacturers
1. Made in MESSico.
2. Turbo.
3. Overpriced.
Three reasons why I wont be buying a current generation Tacoma.
you're 100% right. I'm personally considering a Frontier or Armada now simply because I don't want a turbo.
I had a 1985 Camry Turbo diesel. 1.5 liter. It was slow but it always started. I was told to always allow a turbo some cool down time at idle, if run hard. I always did.
Saw this trash coming so I grabbed a 5th gen 4Runner in ‘23. Hopefully it will last like the Toys of old. It’s my 18th Toyota since the early 1970’s and it will be my last.
Been brand loyal to Toyota for some time. I would buy a ranger before I buy the 4rth gen now
You are not alone in this statement
Finally!! Excellent video! Somebody spoke the truth and did NOT just fall in line and praise horsepower and torque numbers as if the horrible sounding noise, the buzzy vibration AND the complexity of turbo charged 4 cylinder motors just doesn’t matter.
Some of us, who have been around have an expectation of how a “truck” should sound. To completely ditch 6 cylinders completely and not even consider the thought of micro V8’s as an option over these ridiculously over worked, stressed out turbocharged 4 bangers with the life expectancy of a Bic lighter is mind boggling to me. Experienced adult truck owners who know and have driven really cool trucks for decades like the midsized Dodge dakota V8 or the Chevy S10 ZR2 with the Bullet proof 4.3 V6 that easily went 300k miles with normal servicing, or the GMC Cyclone dont want this overpriced garbage. nobody is ever going to look back 20 years from now and say "oh man remember when those really cool Colorados and Tacomas came out with those bitchen noisy 4 cylinder vibrators!!! hell no, these trucks will be scrapped and forgotten by then. I have for the past two years so badly wanted to downsize my 1 ton 2020 Ford F350 Lariat and replace it with a mid size truck to better fit in my garage and only do moderate towing around 8k pounds but I just can not and will not buy into a $50k plus truck with a inline 4 cylinder motor.
How is it possible these manufacturers tease us with these dead sexy mid sized trucks and then make us puke 🤮 in our mouths over these ridiculously cheap garbage powertrain options.
From 23 to 24 there's a 7% price increase on the TRD OR. The Ranger had 7% price increase as well. You can't blame Toyota for the crazy up-charge packages a dealer puts on. T24 outperforms the 2GR all day.
I’m torn, ford has had turboed trucks for a while with not the best track record. But to paraphrase Scotty Kilmer when talking about the ford powerboat, he mentioned the hybrid would help wear and tear on the turbo as the electric motor would reduce stress on the turbo at the lower rpm’s while it spooled. It will probably take them 3 years to figure it out…… the battery life in the other hand 😬
Ford has been figuring it out for 10 years. This is year 1 for Toyota. Just look at the tundra.
Content cue for you - we are told all these Toyota moves - terrible factory tuning on 3rd Gen Tacomas, shrinking engines w/ turbo slapped on, hybrids (ecological pollution as high as anything - BATTERIES) "all for govt emissions requirements" - yet their Nissan stands, as you mention, w/ The 6 cyl non turbo Frontier? How are both of these true? What is going on?
However Toyota's CEO dared utter that EV's are not the wise future (so many negatives) - hydrogen cars are....
They went with the Direct injection on the VQ 3.8 on the Nissan to reduce co2. I believe they also added the start/stop feature to get federal rebates. The 3.8 is definitely cleaner burning then the old port injected VQ 40. May take a bit more fuel then the turbo fours but not by much as turbos will suck it up quite a bit under boost. I think the reason GM/Toyota went with the turbo four was to improve the low end torque which they do. Much more so then Nissan's V6. Especially at elevation. There are positives with induction and normally aspirated motors. As we see different views from the oems.
Don't forget Ford just launched with 2 V6's for the ranger. Emissions is just an excuse to charge you more money. Not going to believe that the hybrid sales leader needs help with emissions and cafe standards.
Someone who can actually think! Thank you! And the obvious answer is of course that the whole emissions claim is a big fat lie. Emissions testing is required in Arizona and I had ZERO problems with my 2012 Tacoma passing and my ‘23 is exempt from testing for five years. FIVE YEARS. And it’s a V6. People need to wake up and reject this bs emissions claim. Newer vehicles have been made to run clean for years now. Vehicle manufacturers are just hiking up prices because they want too and we all need to just say no!
There are extremely no impactful emissions coming out of vehicles post 2010ish. You can practically breathe the ezhaust. It’s all bullshit in this world and I’m sick of it. Are you? Lowering emissions does absolutely zero and not one person can quantify the impact of a 1975 peterbuilt diesel motor to an environmental issue. What a joke and you foolish libs latch onto this hogwash more than you do a bible.
Gave up on the Tacoma, but…picked up a 2024 4runner SR5 4wd for $40.5k, the last of the V6’s. I did see a new silver Ford Ranger the other day, that thing looks incredible.
💙🇺🇲 It's Bull 💩💩💩💩. Initial cost of the trucks is still ridiculous, and the Turbo Charged are going to cost the owner mega bucks to replace! Hybred vehicle batteries cost an arm and a leg to replace. As much as i would love to upgrade from my very dependable 2013 kia soul to beable to have another pickup again, i won't do it because of the above reasons.😡
I have a 2010 Tacoma TRD Offroad 6 speed manual with a new frame in 2018 and 130k. Why would I spend that kind of money money on a truck with turbo 4, when my 4.0 V6 does everything well except mpg.
They perfected their old powertrain at the cost of getting behind on up to date powertrains. Also, everything you need to get to in that tacoma iforce is front and center. These new turbo 4s are built to diesel standards without all the crap that's making diesels unreliable nowadays. This goes for almost everything, don't buy first version. We had a dealer here in Houston doing the same thing with the Tacoma Sports and adding spacers plus method wheels/tires... Fake beadlocks on top of that. Lost their minds with those markups. It's ok, let them sit on those lots.
THANK YOU! 100% correct on all of this. You speak for all of us. This is now the best car channel on UA-cam, because this the only one that tells the TRUTH!
I don’t agree with the price but I do appreciate the science. You need to see tinkerer interview with the chief Toyota engineer to see why they moved to this platform, which was specifically designed for off-roading. Time will tell if it’s the right move but I think this is the future unfortunately.
Unlike Ford and GM the new taco is completely overpriced for the segment. Toyota has completely lost their minds. They can't sustain these prices as we already see tundras rotting on the lots across the country. Now I'm already seeing some dealers stacking up SR5 tacos with discounts. Which is insane for a truck that barely came out. They completely misjudged the market IMO.
Yup for sure and the folks pushing the new Toyota I bet they won't keep them past the warranty.
Agree with everything mentioned in this video, when looking for a Tacoma to replace a problem filled 2020 F150, the local Toyota dealers had addendum stickers of 6k or more on new 2024s. No way am I going to pay $55K plus for a base 4 banger hybrid/Turbo Taco, told sales guy to pound sand. Decided to go used, found a fantastic deal, 2023 SR5 4x4 v6 under 2K miles.
4 cylinder mini pickup with a 4 foot bed for $70,000. I think they made the wrong choice with the new CEO.