Here's Why I Didn't Buy a 2024 Toyota Tacoma, but Kind of Wished I Did
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2024
- We almost bought a 2024 Toyota Tacoma and decided to pass at the last minute. Why? Lots of reasons that are explained in this video.
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Even fanboys are very disapointed with the Tacoma.
They actually are. But they weren't true Toyota fan boys. They were third gen and put crap on it fanboys.
The real fan boys go back to the Hilux original, and really early four cylinder tacos. This new generation is actually closer to Toyota heritage and actual origins than the second and third gen.
The only "fan boys" acting upset are the guys with 2020-2023 Tacomas. Makes them feel better about their own trucks.
@@saywhatnow57 I have a 23 Tacoma. But I'm not that kind of fan boy. I may not be a fan boy at all actually. I do have the original Toyota color stripes though. And know they have trd because Nissan didn't want it.
I also like old saabs, Mercedes,Aston Martin. I guess I don't that much about Tacoma. But the early Toyota history (and Nissan and Mazda) is interesting. There are more interesting cars though. Saab was a airplane company . Mercedes airplane engines. Of course vw and nazi Germany. Porsche is interesting. And a lot of companies that no longer exist but were pretty cool. In that sense, yeah. Tacoma isn't very interesting.. But I did get the original Toyota stripe colors. Give credit to the heritage that is due
Not TRD Jon bro😅
you can't change the government laws, or your next car is electric.
The Tacoma looks like a Tundra but with better proportions.
I like the way it looks, but that's about it.
Definitely better proportions. The new Tundra looks a bit off.
I have a very similarly configured (to yours) Blue 2024 Tacoma TRD Sport double cab. Cost me about 56k the way it's configured. I took possession of it June 6th. I do NOT consider myself a "famboi", but, I do also own a blue 2001 Tacoma SR5 double cab. It was originally red. My first Taco has been a wonderful truck. In fact, it is remaining in the family. I have no intentions of selling it. I bought the new Taco partly because of the wonderful experience I had with the old Taco, and partly because I wanted new toys to play with in the new version!
I am 6' 2" with a generally slim build (though I do have a tummy) and long legs. I have the 8 way power seats in my new truck so I have absolutely no problem adjusting it for comfort. I do not have my seat all the back as that makes the pedals too far away... Also, I don't drive with the seat leaning back but generally more upright.
I have found that there is sufficient room in the back for leg room. I have had 3 people in the back before (both big and tall) with no complaints.
I am still learning how to do everything in the new truck, but I expected this with all the new toys that it has. Is it a perfect truck? No… However, there is no such thing, I believe, as a perfect truck! Each vehicle is engineered and built with specifics uses/functions in mind. This is no different. Though certainly not perfect, Toyota Tacomas have a stellar reputation with most people that I know.
I am very happy with my new Taco!
$55K for that…just can’t wrap my head around it. Still suffering from sticker shock I guess
Seems like you want Toyota to give it to you 😅
There are a lot of vehicles I don’t consider because I can’t afford them
Just means I have to consider other options
Price is really stupid thing to bitch about
This is the maxed out trd offroad. All packages. You dont want the tailgate gimmick? You can drop down the package to the base which comes in around 43k
You can get a new Colorado ZR2 for $50K
@@beexiong299543k for an sr5? How is that better?
After taxes and tags. Out the door price will probably north of 60k
Tim, I couldn't agree with you more.
$55k for a mid-grade truck but nobody can fit comfortably in the back seat. And I'm sorry but that screen definitely looks like it was attached to the dash with duct tape. Chevy and Ford did it much better.
2024 nissan frontier Pro4X with a handful of options. $48,000.
I waited till the end of the year sales. $6500 off on a 2023
Thst's a good truck with a V6
It still has auto start stop. The frontier. Let’s not praise it too much.
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@@diggman helps make government lists and numbers... just have to remember to push two buttons when you start the truck up to turn it off every time
@@diggman Every vehicle is going to have it moving forward. It's a requirement for emissions. It has been around for quite some time in other countries.
$55k... 4 cylinder.... tiny rear seat.... made in Mexico..... Nope, nope, nope, and HELL NO! Toyota needs to be brought back to reality. DO NOT BUY THIS!
Yeah just bought a 24 Tundra trd with sport package fully loaded for 55.
I wonder if people said Hell No in the 70 when the Japanese imports from Toyota and Datsun started coming in?
Yep, $7500 too expensive.
@@planoman0935 they weren't considered a threat. Not until the 80s when lee iacoca came unglued. Much the reason for the imports was after WW2 we wanted closer ties with Japan . Basically initiated their new government. We didn't want them going back to the other side. So made them a sort of u.s. satellite. Then slowly backed out once we felt they would stay on a more helpful track. Much of it's also rebuilding their economy in a capitalist since. Since we destroyed their last one
I bought this exact truck with just a few less do-dads (could not care less about power seats or power tailgates) an I only paid 44k. It's got awesome power coming out of an engine made in the U.S., the back seat is big enough if you're a family of people less than 5' 9" (which we are). Only downside to me is the sound. But I have a V8 Tundra also, and this engine honestly feels better. And as long as people get their oil changed regularly, and don't drive like they're in the indy 500, the engine should last.
I priced a full size F 250 2024 with STX and off road package straight cab 8 ft bed. Small godzilla 6.7? 10 spd, very nice 4x4 for 52,000 dollars. Lot more truck than that.
That's just nonsensical. Who gives a shit? If you need a 3/4 ton 8ft bed, you wouldn't look at any mid-size regardless of brand/price. If you are looking for a mid-size that'll fit in your garage and doesn't ride like a tank, you wouldn't look at the Ford either.
That does also gets about 15 mpg. This Tacoma will get about 22-24.
@@GopherFix
No it won’t, go rent one like I did and put 1000 miles on it. Very disappointing MPG for a little truck with a 4cyl turbo. I seen from 19-21.
@@c1d2e I bought one so I know it can get 24. It’s all about how you drive it and putting mid- higher octane fuel. And if it’s anything like my 2020 powerstroke, it will get a little better after 10k miles.
Upping that F250 to a super crew, and the XLT package, is a much better comparison and still only gets it to $57.7k (adding the premium package and FX4 package adds almost 5k). If you don't care as much about fuel economy, and don't mind it being bigger (garaging and parking in general is tough), or want/need the much bigger bed and capacity, then it's an easy choice. But if you only need a 2 seater, don't need a 8' bed, and don't overload it with extra options, the SR5 XtraCab 4x4 is $41.9k. Those "Premium" packages add on a lot. The rear seat size on the double cab might not be big enough for us, but our current super crew f150 has 1 to 1.5 feet of space in front of people's legs in the back seat. Maybe I'd have a chance to fit it in the garage, or at least maneuvering in a parking lot would be a lot easier, if it didn't have so much extra space inside. All things have tradeoffs, and sometimes there is no perfect answer.
Can't take these trucks serious especially with a 4 cylinder ,i don't care what power it makes its still not gonna last
Agreed
Are you talking about the turbo? The 2.7L 4-cylinder is highly durable, easier to work on, also.
This engine just came out so I don't believe it's durable until it has 150k miles or so
@@DefundTheFringes its a new engine design... who knows if it'll last. They said the new 6 turbo for the Tundra was great too, and now they are dying and having to recall hundreds of thousands...
@@AyaWettsnot a new engine toyotas been using it since 2022
Sometimes it seems they change things for the sake of change, no better function or durability. When did a motorized tailgate become something we need? Then the price. I’m sure Toyota won’t be hurt by my inability to afford one.
All i want is a base Taco 4x4 xtra cab with e locker, swaybar disconnect and 6MT. Why doesn't this truck exist?
FINALLY! You have said why people are not buying this thing. ITS THE PRICE! Yes, its absolutely better then the 3rd gen, but at those prices you are better off with a full size truck or an older diesel truck. I can get over the 4 cylinder, quality issues, unproven reliability, and the little room in the back seats. The one thing I cannot get over is the price. I rather go with a Colorado or Frontier. Maybe a full size or a used diesel truck. Toyota really screwed over the US consumers with how they priced them while building them in Mexico. Saving on labor and screwing the US consumers! Thank you for not actually buying one and trying to shove these trucks down your audience throats like most of the the youtubers.
If you compare todays sticker price to similar equipped Tacos from 20 years ago, the prices are extremely close when you factor in the overall rate of inflation. The only way you'll get a cheaper truck is if Toyota cuts corners.
@@saywhatnow57 Toyota did cut corners. Hard plastics are all over the interior, including the main touch points, along with the significant increase in pricing. In my opinion, Toyota got used to the margins on the last generation with the fully depreciated manufacturing equipment and is trying to keep the same margins with the cost of the new manufacturing equipment.
@@benblakeney7418 I actually have a counter argument for the hard plastics. I have them in my 2015 Tundra. It's the same plastics. I hated them at first in the Tundra. But now that it's 9 years old, and I've watched how my interior has not aged compared to friends and family's fords and chevys, its grown on me a lot. But the Tacoma feels a lot nicer inside, and I do like how most of the touch points (the things you actually touch) are wrapped in leather or rubberized. It's got a nice feel to it. Doesn't feel cheap at all to me for a midsize. And I'd imagine the Limited edition, which I haven't sat in, probably feels real nice and has softer touch points everywhere. I did get a Tacoma with a white color strip across the dash, and it does not look cheap, and is probably my favorite thing about mine. The screens are also a really awesome quality, the seats are typical Toyota awesome, and the steering wheel is by far the nicest feeling steering wheel I've ever had on a car.
@@saywhatnow57 We have a 2014 Sequoia and the plastics are different. There are hard plastic but not where you touch such as the window area where I like to rest my arm, the dash and face of the dash is nicer, etc. These look and feel cheap, not quite as bad as the first 2 years of the Ford Bronco but almost... Toyota is doing the same with a 58k base model LC with cheap plastics all over. A 50k plus vehicle shouldn't have cheap and hard plastic on the touch points. Rubberized/textured/padded plastic, sure. Toyota is not producing their eco boxes form the 70s and these plastics remind me of those from my childhood. It's obviously a personal opinion but the cheap plastics are less expensive than the other makers offer in their trucks for the most part.
Finally? People have been saying they're overpriced for a while.
The full-size trucks are too big, while the mid-size trucks are too small. Is there anything in the middle that works besides the Ridgeline or the Riciam?
I went with a 2024 4Runner.
I hope to avoid the new platform until it proves itself over time.
I like the GM twins better and they are priced better as well.
I agree. GM really did a great job on the design of their trucks…price is a little high but not as bad as these…I’d probably still buy the yota. Lol
Agree
Agreed. Own a 23 Canyon AT4 but I don’t trust it 😂. Love everything about the truck but it got gremlins. My first GM and most likely my last . Will unload by year end or next. I really hate thinking about it because it’s awesome to drive. However I am not going to keep it if I can’t trust it.
@@ducvanbui36 thinking about buying one what’s wrong with it?
@@gageholmes7073 , mechanically it’s fine. I love the 2.7 turbo. The interior is superb and quality and craftsmanship on materials are excellent. Lots of electrical gremlins with these trucks. My experience are intermittent thus can’t trust it. I’m more fortunate as many others faced worst with failed infotainment and GM software updates are utter useless and failures. This started out horribly for many owners with bricked trucks on failed OTA updates. Not as rampant as last year but it still happening. At times, I wonder if I bought a German vehicle 😂😂😂
Wait, you don’t wanna buy a $33,000 pick up truck for $60,000 how dare you?
Sorry?! 😂
@@Pickuptrucktalk lol
I purchased a new 23 Taco SR5 for 37k. I felt like that price was okay for what I was buying. A solid , dependable small truck that has limited but nice amenities. Why pay 55k for this when you can get full size comfort and capabilities? Toyota along with all the other manufacturers are pricing themselves out of buyers ability to buy. They build it in Mexico with ultra cheap labor and demand higher and higher prices.
I bought it because it will fit down smaller trails, it also sits in my garage. A full size won't do either of those things.
@gaguy9359 you do realize your 23 taco was built in Mexico too, right?
@@elche1976Yes , I realize that and having owned many Toyota trucks it’s possibly the lowest quality paint and has a recall on welding slag on rear differential . We will see long term how it holds up as I put lots of miles on mine. I bought it at the end of December when supplies were getting low on Gen 3 and it has over 15k miles already.
I bought a 2024 Tacoma for 43k. This truck he is reviewing is a trd sport. Not an sr5. You can get the sr5 for as around 42 right now. So yeah, more than your 23. But it does get better mpg and it will probably prove to be very reliable.
We will see! The new Tundra has yet to prove itself. Used lots are full of them now and engines are having main bearing failures and the internet is buzzing with unhappy customers. I’ll keep the Gen 3 for 5k less with its known reliability and let you buyers work out the first year issues.
This video is exhibit:A on just because everyone else likes something, doeant mean it’s the best for you. As always thank you for your honest opinions Tim. Your videos are always refreshing because they feel more realistic than others!
Just had a Tacoma this week, and it’s great but that back seat is tiny!
Hope toyota figures out why crank bearings are failing in the tundras.
I saw one at the national rental . When I turned the truck on their was already a maintenance warning ⚠️ pop-up, so I just rented another vehicle
Good job Tim voicing what 95% of the consumers are agreeing with… the PRICE is outrageous …. You’ll be hard pressed to get trd Jon to admit that, he’ll be in his garage sitting on a trd exhaust tailpipe
I have a new '24 Tacoma Off Road after owning 4 Tacomas since 2003. I drove my '21 TRD OR to the dealership because I wanted to test drive it myself. It's HANDS-DOWN better than my '21. I bought the '24 on the spot and after 3,500 miles on highway and taking it into the dirt and rocks, I love it. It has power when you need it, no lag, the cabin is drastically more comfortable, the rear disc brakes actually make the truck responsive when coming to a quick stop rather than the old drums putting all the responsibility on the front end and last but not least...the transmission. I was so sick and tired of my 3rd and 2nd gens constantly hunting for gears, never making up it's damn mind. No more. Smooth as butter and finally feels how a transmission SHOULD work in the year 2024. As for the cabin comfort, the ergo's are vastly improved in both seating, positioning and comfort. Yes, the rear area is tight if you're over 5'8" and the driver is 6' tall...I find it laughable to hear complaints about 230lb. tall dudes complaining about the rear comfort....it's a mid-size truck what do you expect? Get a full-size if you're going to be hauling around Billy Bob and Jimmy in the backseat. The Ranger does have a tiny bit more room in the back, but the Ranger feels like a half-assed attempt by Ford to make a competitive mid-size and just feels bland, uninspiring and gives the impression that it will be at the dealership for repairs before you crack 5,000 miles.
Funny side note, I almost went for the Colorado, but after test driving it for less than 3 miles there was rattles and squeaks from the dash AND the turn signal kept tripping all over itself...all on a truck that had 7 miles on it. No f'ing thanks. Looks cool though, but the day Chevy makes a reliable, well built truck without electrical glitches out the ass and shoddy build quality in the cabin...no thanks. The '24 Tacoma just FEELS solidly built, and not like a plastic piece of garbage.
It is really easy to go from full size to midsize. I have driven full size trucks since 1993 until i got my 2018 ZR2 and i honestly don't miss the full size at all. Grew up in a full size truck. learned to drive in a full size truck. Unfortunately full size trucks (for me) have grown a little to big in every dimension. Eventually the midsize trucks will grow into the size full size trucks were 20 years ago and i'll be happy 😂
ZR2 Colorado* not a real ZR2
I don't know about you guys and the rear seat, but it's just me myself and I. I don't plan on sitting back there. But I do have a gripe about the rear seat. When it is folded down flat, that shit is really high and it hard for me to get into my fridge and hard to move heavy things around like my Ecoflow Wave 2 Aircon/Heater. Yes, I pipe that thru my rear opening window into my Bed Tent or Flated Topper.
I owned a 2024 TRD Sport for less than a month . Traded it in on a low mileage 2023 Tacoma . For me the deal breaker was not being able to add a brake controller without cutting wires . My last 4 Tacomas had an easy to use plug to add a brake controller . ---Why sell a truck and tell me that it can tow 6400 pounds , but no easy way to add trailer braking controll
I haven't towed with mine yet but it's got an integrated brake controller built in the truck. Did you have a base SR model?
4 banger turbo no way
You are not alone on the frustrations Tim. Simpler is better.
Glad I purchased a 2023 Tacoma
Absolutely, I have a 2021 TRD off road, I was kicking around the idea of getting a new one next year because I'm not a fan of first year vehicles by any manufacturer. But I don't know much about turbos I have never owned one, but just the tiny backseat would be enough to turn me away.
I love my 23... best of all for the price, it's at least a proven model.
An equivalent 24 trimline costs $6000 CAD more and has fewer features. Why did they remove the standard dual zone climate control, for example?
Plus, TFL breaking theirs on the first minor off-road outing. Yeah, we're not missing out.
Still driving a 2011 Toyota Tacoma 4-door, Auto, V6, 4X4, TRD, Sport, loaded with 40,000 low miles, the reason is I have a 2010 Toyota Camry, 98,000 miles and an old, old Jeep CJ, 349,000 miles. My wife the Camry owner has been looking at new cars since January 2024, I don't know what she will buy but I can tell you one thing, it won't have a turbo on it. Seven years ago, I worked in an Internet Diesel/ Gas parts House (we sold everything) turbos were our specialty. You would not believe the men and women that called and came to our front parts counter with a busted turbo in their hand. I am not kidding you some of them men and women cried when I quoted the replacement price.
We also sold rebuilt turbos, but I don't recommend them (new is always best), turbos are high maintenance, you go over your mileage limit for an oil and filter change just 1000 or 2000 miles and your engine is fine, but your turbo goes out and most of the time it's spun or burnt a bearing in the turbo. Now you're looking at maybe $900 to $1300 dollars if you do it yourself (not an easy job) and double that if you let a shop do it. You didn't need the turbo on a V6, so here you are paying $50,000 or more on a truck that's a 4 banger and that will cost you a chunk of money if you keep it 90,000 or miss an oil change mileage date. Personally, I think I'll wait till 2025 or 2026 to see what Toyota does or just buy a Nissan Frontier now before they do something crazy. PS: Most busted turbos came in to us at 80,000 miles or more, the first thing I ask was how many miles on it and did you change your oil and filter on time?
PSS: they look at me like I'm crazy and say, "but my engine is fine" and I say yea, but you have a busted turbo in your hand.
@@gumpbubba4276 Keep that 2010 Camry, my wife had one I gave her money for a downpayment on a 2022 Rav4 which I like but truthfully 98,000 isn't a lot of miles for that car if it was taken care of besides normal maintenace the only thing we replaced on that car was an alternator it had around 120,000 on it when I was rearended and the car was totaled.
@@1blkgsd completely get you concerned with space, at these prices moving up to a full size would make more sense. As far as the turbo, I really don't think there's anything to worry about. I have a 17-year-old Volvo with a turbo, at 233k miles it's still on the original turbo with no extra services. I just changed the oil with good synthetic every 5K and it's good to go. If you ever drive that elevation, you'll like the turbo, high altitude doesn't affect them the way it does normally aspirated engines. My Volvo is awesome in the mountains, my 4Runner not so much.
About the dash.. you can fully customize the dash, you can remove the gear and fill that space with 1 of a couple different options. Same with the speedometer info, and the tachometer info. If you want fuel economy, add it in either of those, if you want break controller info, add it in there... it's all customizable.
Your getting my Thumbs up for the fact that you mentioned the Ford Ranger is so much better in the back seating area.... Plus Id like to add, a Locker that can be engaged in 2WD-4Hi- And 4 LO. Plus... a Lower price tag all day along. !
You make good points, that digital dash would bug me as well. What a waste of space putting that huge "settings" logo on there permanently. A large digital speedo should be centered and dominate. I don't even care if they drop the round speedo to do it. As for price, it cracks me up that this is basically the same price as a Limited. You should mention the advanced towing feature though. Nobody else will back up a trailer hands-free.
I love my gen 4. Everyone hating hasn't driven one 🤷♂️
I test drove one trd off road one and I can say the front half of the interior is nice and a lot more comfortable but feels really cramped and it honestly doesn’t feel any fast than the 3rd gen
Drove my neighbors a few weeks ago. The power is fine. It's the outrageous price and the various ways it falls short compared to previous generations. It's the fact that they moved all production to Mexico so they could cut labor costs by 96% and then still had the nerve to raise prices by $15-20,000. It's the reality that 4th gens are probably not going to last half as long as 2nd or 3rd gen Tacomas.
@@hochhaul3rd gens have been made in Mexico for a while...
@@FizzleWick1your butt dyno is obviously broke as there is a huge noticeable difference in power and acceleration with the new 24. The 24's leave the previous generation in the dust lol.
@@troyt5309 butt dyno!! I literally spat my coffee out from laughing hard lmao.
We were going to wait until 26-28 to buy a new Tacoma TRD Off Road double cab, long bed, UNTIL I found out that Toyota was dropping the durable and reliable 3.5L V6, so I decided to buy a 23 TRD ORLB, double cab with the Premium and Technology pkgs.
I couldn’t find any 6’ beds with the pkgs or colors that I wanted.
I finally found my 23 TRD on 2/29/24.
The dealership had owned it for 8 months but no one wanted it because it was a long bed instead of the worthless 5’ bed.
The MSRP was $51,848, pluse the $1,995 dealership markup.
I bought it for $48K. They added a Tri-Fold tonneau cover and running boards that they ended up giving it to me, along with free oil change, tire rotation for as long as I own the truck. Then they added an 8 year 75K mile bumper to bumper warranty.
Personally I think I got a good deal .
Since I retired I drive only 6-8K miles per year and we keep our vehicles for 15-20 years or 250K - 300K miles. It’s safe to say that my 23 TRD will be the last truck we’ll ever have to buy.
I hate that Toyota says to change the oil every 10K but I’m old school and change the oil and filter every 5K miles, so I have to pay for every other oil change, but it beats having to pay every time.
I HATE the Black Leather interior, so my wife told me that for my 60th birthday next year she’ll pay Katzkin the $2,400 to replace the Black Leather with Barcelona (Lava) Red Leather with black trim and stitching.
My truck is White and the Red Leather interior will match perfectly with the Barcelona Red 2 tone that I’ve had my Tacoma painted in.
My truck came with the TRD Performance exhaust system. During my first week of owning it I installed a cold air intake and a month later I had the Overland Torque Tune installed.
My 23 TRD now has 318 horsepower and 295 lbs ft of torque at 2,300 RPM and the transmission no longer “hints” for the right gear.
Driving into the city there’s an incline that my Tacoma use to down shift from 6th into 4th with the cruise set on 66mph. It now down shifts into 5th gear.
While I’m driving in MT or ID where the speed limit is 80, I have my cruise set on 86-90mph and I’m still getting 21.9mpg.
When cruising on the freeway here in WA at 76mph my Tacoma gets 23.4mpg.
But when I need the power, all of those 318 horses come to life.
My wife says that my truck sounds like a V8 when I’ve got my foot down on the pedal. But while I’m cruising it’s as quiet as normal.
Historically a naturally aspirated engine has always out lasted a Turbo engine.
This is the only reason why we chose to buy a 23 instead of the 24 Tacoma TRD Off Road.
I’m happy with my purchase and decision.
I bought the exact same truck new (model 7568)- a 2016 TRD DC LB OR in Inferno orange, it had every option but JBL sound. I paid $36,400 with on 11/12/2015.
I drove the truck for 98 months and never had a single problem. I changed the oil every 5,000 miles.
I wish I had kept the truck and just bought my 4Runner outright, but I traded it in on a 2024 4Runner in January, then I retired in February.
@@timalan7406 If we would have had the money to buy a 24 4Runner as well as my Tacoma TRD, we definitely would have done so.
My wife’s 2019 Outback has only 36K miles and we know that the Subaru won’t last as long as the 4Runner, but her Outback has awesome traction and is a Safety Plus.
I’m thinking that when she retires we’ll start looking for a low mileage 4Runner (24 or older) for her to drive for the rest of her lifetime.
Being a tall guy,6’5, it’s a hard decision when it comes to finding a proper vehicle that one can fit in comfortably. Not only do I have to take in consideration my comfort but also that of family and friends. Trucks like the Tacoma are great if it’s just you and you don’t do a lot with others then it’s a good truck. Tall people like me like trucks like the Tacoma, but realistically it would be a hard fit. I had for a time a Nissan Frontier, I felt cramped in that thing and it was worse when I had passengers. Most of my friends are average height but even for them it was a tight fit. Maybe companies like Toyota should think about extending the cab a bit. Many people like to keep their vehicles for a long time and will have families growing with it, something to think about
I'm 6'10, buy a 2021 or older Tundra crew max. Your short butt will easily fit in the front or back seat with plenty of room to spare.
So here’s the thing…while it can be called a truck, and it has a useable box for some things…it can tow a bit, and do off-roading well. But tbh I think this is an AWESOME alternative to a small crossover. I already have two 3/4 ton diesel trucks…I’m covered for all trucks needs! But I want something nimble, compact, yet still durable with excellent resale. This is it! This is perfect!
TRD Sport is now 41k with all the options in my local dealer.
Nothing says “truck” like 4 cylinders 😅
I’d bet there are more 4 cylinder pickups around the world than there are any other cylinder counts.
Toyota makes 4 cylinder turbo diesels around the world and they are better than the crap v6 in the last tacoma. 😂
@@ALMX5DPyes but 98% of those 4 cylinder engines are diesels.
@@zelenizub2036 oh did the OP mention fuel type? Maybe I missed that part.
More like a "tuck" 😢
After seeing the specs of the 2024 Tacoma in late 23 I decided on the Gen 3 V6 4X4, the 4 cylinder turbo killed it for me,
You know what I have noticed that on some midsize trucks the doors are tucked in from the outside body panels. So won't that take room from the seating position.
think that price is obscene, tack another $3700 on for a hybrid version.
After owning a 2011 Kia Sorento which had a horrible seating position and would always cause shoulder pain… Since that vehicle I’ve come to really appreciate seating position. We now own Gladiator and Ascent. Comfort and seating position are totally different
Other than the price and motor…it would be a winner. Time will tell with the motor I guess. I’m in the market for a midsize truck next summer. Previously owned a 99’ Tacoma SR5 4X4…bought it new and put over 300k miles with no major failures. See if they make any motor changes for 2025. Gonna check out the competition before I purchase.
The speedometer size issue is a legitimate concern.
Thanks! I was concerned I was just being cranky.
I picked up a sr5 last month and honestly cant complain only thing thats really annoying is the bluetooth and carplay its glitchy sometimes
TRD Jon has done 10k miles already ?
That is halfway to a spun bearing😅
that gray sky looks ominous as heck lol
😂 oh it was a nasty storm for a bit.
I just found your channel and that’s where I’m from! The storms are intense. I did hit that subscribe button! Great content and information, keep it up!
To big of a sticker shock, plus its built in Mexico.
What do you want? To be built in Mississippi. LOL
@@lo5182it’s built in Mexico Theodore it should be CHEAPER.
So is Silverado and gm what’s the problem with Mexico?
Yea they didn’t improve the backseat room at all .
IMO they didn’t really need to, it’s a midsize truck that’s pretty similar in size to everyone else.
Who bought a 3rd or 2nd gen tacoma for the backseat room? Nobody 😂
@@ALMX5DPranger and Colorado have more seat room so does the frontier
@@Cavemol5823 they're all pretty similar (within an inch) and the Tacoma even has some slightly better measurements than some of those others (such as rear headroom, shoulder room, hip room). If you need more, you either need a full size or a different vehicle.
If you think that any of the midsized trucks are comfortable in thr back then you're delusional. They're all pretty cramped. If the trucks grow any bigger for the back seat then they'll be a full size trucks.
I am a Chevy guy. I own a Ridgeline. I want a Ford Ranger Raptor(when there is no mark-up).
Soooooo you're not a chevy guy then. In fact you aren't loyal to any brand. Which is ok. But don't lie to yourself
In 2024 the Honda Ridgeline has the best midsize truck engine with the V-tech V6. The Nissan Frontier is in second place. I wish Honda would build a Raptor type midsize pickup. With Honda's reliability they would sell millions of them.
I have a AMERICAN made Ford Ranger and love it.
But it’s still a Ranger
I just can't get over that they moved production to Mexico to lower cost then raise the price. Compared to the competition this truck is just not worth the money. As far as I (a former Toyota fan) is concerned these can sit on the lots and rot. Best guess is their trying to pay for the hybrid tech by spreading the cost across the board. They can leave me and hopefully others out on that decision.
One thing everyone seemed excited about on these new Tacos was that the driver position and space is better for bigger drivers. But that can only come at a cost somewhere else. A rule for the Tacoma designers is that it has to fit in a standard garage. You can't get more interior space without messing with a lot of other things. The nose on this truck is what makes it look so good, and the bed is already short enough. I own this truck and I'm extremely surprised at how nostalgic the interior has made me for the MR2 we owned back in the 80s. It's certainly different, but I feel like I'm back in that MR2 and I love it. Some cars are just made for us smaller people though.
The new Ranger can fit in a garage and the back seat is comfortable for adults. Even GM and Nissan did a better job with back seat space. The taco is definitely the worst. Its so bad they might as well delete the seat and just make them all extended cabs with 6 foot bed. If I bought one that is what i'd get. Because the back seat is trash and worthless on the four door. I mean Tim had a good point if a 12 year old finds it not comfortable then they likely made an overstep. I know Ford was able to make their truck a littler wider with longer wheelbase but keep the overall length the same. Plus the Ford can carry and tow allot more. The base 2.3 ecoboost and 10 speed does a better job. Then your literally paying at least 5K more for the toyota. I don't see paying more and getting less. I see a lot of hard plastics on this prem package. I mean I can buy a ZR 2 for under 50K near my house. And they got 6 of them. At this price point I see Canyon denali's for sale. Its night a day better interior and the 2.7 makes allot more power. Does not work as hard as I see here. If you really want to save you can find loaded Pro 4X's for 7 thousand less then this. Like Tim and many other loyalist are saying the price point is indeed the biggest issue here.
@@HiPlains1 There's less than an inch difference in leg room... and it's a Ford. Also, like I said, I own this truck. Some cars are just made for smaller people. I'm 5' 8", and everyone in my family is and always will be shorter than that. We all fit great. So I've got not real complaints. His 12 year old can't fit because HE can't fit. He's got the chair pushed back a lot further than a lot of us do. I also own a wrangler and I don't know why anyone over 5' 10" would drive one of those either.
Love the way the newer Toyotas look. These motors though. My local dealer already has two Tacoma’s in the back with engine issues. I think this is another motor designed to work with hybrid that has issues when used without the power adder.
@pickuptrucksandsuvtalk you’re hitting the nail on the head. The Tacoma pricing $5-9kk too high for what one is getting and the competition in the category as well as the full-size truck proi. Toyota is going to have to do what Stellantis did when they dropped the JGC prices by $4-7k across the board late last year or early this year.
I went from two 3rd gen Tacoma's one auto and one manual both TRDs ORs. I now have a 2020 Tundra TRD OR. After owning now a full size truck, I could never go back to mid-size as well. For the same reasons you do.
Just paid off my 2020 SR5 4x4 today and still loving it. No plans to to trade for a new one. Don't like the looks, don't like the 4cyl engine, and I can't don't think I can afford to upgrade either.
I’m glad you spoke the truth about this truck and especially the price unlike other reviewers who seem to work for Toyota. How can the average person afford this truck today when everything else like food and rent is so expensive. $55 thousand dollars for this truck built in Mexico,Oh hell no. I’ll just hold on to my old 1989 Toyota extended cab pickup with a 4 cylinder that has never let me down and it’s still going strong and was built in Japan. And the best thing about my truck, I can work on it myself. So no thanks to this new Tacoma.
I like more the Ford Ranger 2.7 v6
If I wanted a flimsy turbocharged 4 cylinder I'd get a Subaru WRX, at least that wouldn't cost 55k.
You can get a new Colorado Trail Boss for $38,000 after rebates. Same with the Frontier Pro-4x.
Nice video, Tim. I think a lot of the issues with the Tacoma would be resolved if they broke their packages up into smaller groupings. Overall, think the limited is a really good value for what it costs.
Very well thought out review. I appreciate your opinion.
Frontier is still perfect mix of old and new.
I agree I like a full size truck, for the room and ingress and egress.
That premium package adds a ton to the price. The TRD off road with the upgrade package instead of the premium is 49k including delivery. Or the SR5, double cab 6' bed 4x4 plus upgrade package (heated seats, parking sensors, trailer brake, etc) is $45.6. I'll be looking at either of those, but the first time I jumped in one I also found the backseat to be small, so that will be the main deciding factor for us. Pricing increases quickly on any of these, if you start adding leather or similar, and features like powered tailgates.
HARD pass on new gen Taco (prev gen was stellar).
Researched all comparable vehicles and went with Colorado ZR2; VERY impressed with it on/off road.
Nailed it with the pricing, as soon as you started talking about that I was thinking about the ranger Raptor and ZR2. I think another 10K on top of that for the TRD Pro model is ridiculous. The exterior styling is growing on me, honestly, I think the GM twins are the best looking in this class now.
Those aren't Tim-isms at all. They are perfectly reasonable "guy who paid $55,000-isms".
It would literally take maybe a day to learn the steering wheel controls.
Definitely. I've got a loaded out ZR2 at 55k(and dealers are specing ZR2s out at around 50-52k) so I can't imagine paying the same price for the mid tier version of the Tacoma. Toyota is being silly thinking they can charge such a premium over their competitors. Hell, the whole "Toyota reliability" is up in the air especially with how the Tundras are experiencing major engine failures with the v6 turbos they have in them. The jury is still out on these Tacomas and whether they are truly that much more reliable than their competitors with the premium price they are charging in comparison.
I totally agree with you Tim and others re the pricing for these new Tacoma's. Same goes for the Land Cruiser and upcoming 4runner. Toyota has priced themselves way out of sync with the marketplace and I don't fully understand why. Once Ford/GM/Ram start discounting their latest mid and full size trucks (some already are pretty aggressively) I don't see a choice for Toyota but to follow suit. And what's the deal with the glovebox not closing properly? I can't recall the last time I saw that in a new car/truck.
Tim, welcome being and older guy. Sometimes electronics get to complicated.
Well the TRD pro and the Trailhunter if you can find one are just shy of 70k
I just picked up a 24 sport sonic red with premium packaging and I love it love it love it.
Just put 500 miles on a 2024TRD ,wasnt impressed with dash electronics and controls either ,back up camera, cool interior , turbo pulls nice has some sweet spots ,handles bumps decent has bliestens,outside is nice design ,back seats tiny , price insane for this .😂
Blah blah blah! It’s a shit box..
Nice vid Tim. The speed being locked into one small font is like a throwback to older infotainment systems. I’m sure I would get used to it but it is strange on a new system.
As someone whos 6'1" 240 pounds and never owned a truck (I previously never could afford one), I test drove a 2022 TRD off road Tacoma and It was just underwhelming and too small and I'm coming from a VW Sedan. When I test drove the new tacoma it felt better in literally every single way, it feels like a modern vehicle.
I'm 5'6 and there is plenty of room behind me(like 6 inches from knees to back of the sear) in my Colorado. I would have figured the back seat dimensions are close to the same.
Can’t go wrong with any of the current pickups really. Just minor specific preferences/features/appearance.
Very good lease deals on tacomas right now fyi. Just picked up a trd off road.
What if it’s a priced at 44 000$ USD ??
I’m located in Montreal, Canada and there is no markups in Canada.
I really like the truck and I completely understand that the US markups is juste giving a bad look.
Most reviews can’t get over the price but I what if it was cheaper?
Is it a good buy?
Tacoma Off Road Premium : 61K CAD. 🇨🇦
Cheaper makes it a much better buy.
I've watched a number of Tacoma reviews now and the comments are all similar. People hate it has a 4 cylinder turbo engine and it costs WAY too much. I read that over and over and over. I agree it's way too expensive, especially for the demographic that buys Tacomas, which is mostly younger guys. I personally don't care that it has a 4 cylinder turbo vs the 6 cylinder, the new engine has more torque than the 6 did. However, it seems a lot of people feel, right or wrong, the Tacoma has been neutered going from a 6 to a 4. Strong feelings about this out there.
The engine is good when you keep it in perspective vs the prior gen for example.
As a 2023 Tundra owner I am jealous you have 2 tailgate side buttons. I like the truck but I have to have more room for people in the back seat. I prefer the analogue gauges in my Tundra. The digital dash is to cluttered.
I also like the sound of the motor during hard acceleration - it sounds rather authoritative in a pleasing, rather than grumbly way.
It sounds like a motorbike to me.
4 banger not good in a pickup should have put the trubos on the 6 then u have sum nice power
Well I definitely agree with you with the looks it does look very nice but, I had noticed when I closed the door the doors feel very tiny very light very cheap the rest of the material around the truck she seems very tiny and cheap and the power tailgate that's a gimmick I don't know what they were thinking are they selling at the truck to a toddler, I also had the truck with the hood breather that is fake by the way every time I hit a bump the hood would move and it was locked down that's the scary part, the hood is very tiny and very light compared from the third generation Tacoma, then when you get into the truck every single thing on the dash is 100% cheap cheap plastic there was no quality control at all I mean the cheapest plastic you can buy it's in the truck it looks so cheap it is cheap some of the gaps are not even tight. Then they had to add more problems when they put a 4-cylinder turbo motor that won't last we know that so if this is a truck you want for 2-3 years can you trade it in for a new one you might be okay, but if you want it for longer don't even waste your time I did not even feel safe in this truck it felt so light and cheap, so I decided to take the third generation Toyota for a ride what a difference the third generation rides better the hood doesn't move around when you hit a bump the truck feels more solid and planted to the ground the doors are heavier which makes it feel stronger I felt so safe in the third, so who do we blame here, the Toyota for making this garbage? Or the SUCKERS. Sorry people that buy this garbage? If people keep buying this and keep supporting it quality is going to get worse people need to stop buying this garbage and show Toyota come back with the good stuff we know you can make quality, give them no option let them know you make quality or we're going somewhere else!!!!!
I'm in Colorado as well and i find many of these price comparisons very disingenuous Ford Ranger Raptors start at $59k (but you cant find one on the lot) to mid to high $60k range... When you compare it to the GMC Canyon or a standard Ford Ranger, I agree that Tacoma is higher in price for a similar trim/feature line but only by $1000 or $2,000 (which isn't nothing I know). Most people would agree that you would recoup that money when you go to sell or trade in the truck if you went with the Tacoma.
I’m older, own a couple of 4Runners with v6 before they go to shlt. Have enough vehicles for the rest of my life
I've been seeing people on social media making fun of Honda Ridgeline. But I'll tell you this I'm 6 ft 1 and I can fit in the backseat and it has a 6-cylinder engine.
Tim, your next truck should be a Ranger with the 2.7 twin turbo. We need your review on that engine. It seems like the Ranger with that engine will have the potential to take on the Tacoma in sales.
$55k with the worst cheap plastic interior of all of the Mid sized trucks. Toyota has officially jumped the shark.
That's the exact steering wheel your tundra had, surprised you had issues with it.
Every trim is like $4-5k more STARTING. Before options. It’s crazy
Is the turning radius better? We had a 2012 and the brakes were horrible, turning radius felt wide for it's size. Other than that it was definitely a reliable V6.
The screen does bug me a little but I had no choice when I purchased my. I have enjoyed my truck a lot more than my 23 tundra just because is a great off roading vehicle. With the tundra in Moab was rough turning it around.
Room in the back your correct I do miss my tundra for that
Tim - on the pricing comparison - if you think about long term ownership between the three truck at the $55k price - over say 5 to 10 years which truck do you believe would hold up better overall? I keep looking at different vehicles but my 1997 Toyota T100 - I have put so little money into it and it just runs and drives fine on a daily basis in and out of town - that is 100% why I keep it. Do you think either the model you drove or they hybrid or which ever will be - overall - fine in 10 years vs the other trucks?
Coworker got one in silver and it is a slick looking machine, no doubt!
Tim - Sorry you can't figure out the controls. I know that has been a complaint of yours for both Tundra and Tacoma. I have seen this comment from other channels too. I spent like 5 mins going through the menus when I first got my truck. Honestly, I have found the system to be the easiest system to use. I really don't understand the comments lol.
TheTundra back window would be great.
I am totall ywith you on the size and positioning of the digital speedometer. FOr it it is right behind the sterring wheel and I can't see it at all when I get the seat and tilt and telescope adjusted to the best position for me. I use a old school GSP attacehd to the windshield like a poor man's headup display so I can easily see how fast I am going.
I REGRET BUYING and no help from dealerships. i got the truck in june and i hooked up a trailer once and now im getting what others call "ghost trailer"bug. the truck thinks im pulling a trailer when im not and all rear sensors do not work . dash also keeps displaying a trailer message that wont go away . the dealership is also charging me almost $300 for diagnosis and $700 just to see if rear bumper needs to be realigned. nothing seems to falls under warranty . truck has been to the dealership service twice now an still no fix