Chris some tips for You: The two biggest problem with E30s are the rear suspension and the front/rear weight distribution. With the rear suspension theres not much you can do, but if you'd like to make the car less nose-heavy you should put an M52B28 single vanos engine inside. Its aluminium block is 28kg lighter right where it matters: on the front axle, and it also has more power, 193hp as stock. If you put an M50TUB25 single vanos air intake throttle body ecu afm so basically everything from an M50TUB25 engine onto the M52B28 and remap the M50's Bosch 413 Ecu to give the more fuel needed for the extra 300cm3 you'll get 230hp easily and the whole thing would cost less than 500GBP. You will be able to use the existing gearbox clutch flywheel, starter motor (only if the flywheel is kept) propshaft, cooling system, (for using the oil cooling of the 325i you'll need an oil filter house from an S50engine but that still isn't expensive) the rear part of the exhaust, etc. Btw you'll need an E34 M50 oil pan and and oil pump intake pipe. Benefits? More power, more low-end torque which is useful using a gearbox like yours, less weight (on the front!), less ability to lose oil pressure when cornering hard or changing direction, easily remappable (let's say home-remappable) Bosch 413 ecu... That's the best way forward! Keep going! ;)
From an American twenty-year-old who nearly lost the dream of racing, thank you, Chris and Dan, for inspiring me once again. I may not ever run in WRC, but I'll be running classic, you can bet on it. Now, if I could just find a Mk. I or Mk. II VW GTI for cheap....
Drive, you are the greatest. Older cars are cars regular people can participate in. And that's more fun than watching three people bicker over six figure cars.
These vids just get better and better.Harris and his team nail it every time - such quality.The photography is simply beautiful and the production perfect.Long may they continue.And that 325 looks so right,make's me want one..
Think of it this way: What if you hadn't realized the oil was leaking? If you'd have just went for the 3rd stage you'd have got five hundred meters and then the engine cuts, you check to see what's happened, see there's no oil and the motor is totally ruined, you might as well just trash it all together. At least now you only need to fix the leakage and fill it up with oil and you have a perfectly working toy again!
THANKS CHRIS FOR SHARING THE EXPERIENCE! Looks like Great fun always wanted to do it never had the money (or honestly a track) But Great full to experience the event with you at the wheel! Thanks from the USA
glued to the screen the whole time! i just watched some top gear before this, and while it's nicely filmed and all i love rawness of drive! no crazy music, no bickering, just pure driving and the sound of a 2.5 german 6 being flung across the dirt!
It was most likely cured bacon, which only has to be cooked for a crisp texture. Im with you though, I like REAL bacon.. crispy bacon. Did I say bacon?
Actually the bacon looked OK to me. We don't burn it until its crispy like the yanks do. However, I fundamentally agree that the most crucial aspect to this video is indeed the bacon factor.
Dear America, Cured Danish bacon is something you need to get your head around. It's in a different league to that fatty thin stuff you insist on burning the arse off. You're welcome, The rest of the world
loving these videos chris, looking forward to the next. The thing i love most about drive is the presenters each bring a different element to their videos. No feature is the same.
Stone between the sump and the sump guard: put a foam pad between to keep the stones out. But make sure you have a big enough oil cooler because there will be even less airflow around the sump.
Running in a rally like this one is a dream of mine. Chris Harris is a lucky guy. He must wake up in the morning and say isn't it great to be me. I really like the video because it is not about someone with deep pockets with the best of the best. It is a realistic car that most people could easily afford and build. Great footage. Good notes from the copilot. Great driving. Can't waite to see more.
10:50. Real heart stopping moment... Chris Harris I thought you were a great driver before this video but now I'm just in awe of you. I salute you Sir.
Wish I could be Chris Harris for a week;) I have a very strong, clean, white e30ix that I've been trying to get to that point. I like watching the videos of CH driving and riding in WRC cars, those edge of your seat cliff hanger vids have definitely kept the /DRIVE alive with me!
This might be one of the best videos Chris Harris has ever done. I also loved the Perelli (?) tire demo with the Lancia Stratos and 037 and Chris riding shotgun.
Great piece of driving there. You know there is something special about dirt rally racing. The navigator reading the list of navigational gibberish, the cars spurting fire and black smoke from their tailpipes, the drivers wrestling the wheel from side to side as if they were wrangling a Bronto bull, the rich throaty sound of engines being pushed to their limits, and the diehard fans standing in their coats on muddy hills to catch a small part of the action. There is nothing like it.
I really feel connected to this. I care about this car, this event, these two men. I like watching rally, but when I really care about every factor, it's that much more exciting.
We need more vids like this showing that motor sport can be cheap (ish) and I thought that Dan did an awesome job on the notes as it was the first time I have ever been able to follow rally notes!!
That was a highly entertaining video! More! With the same camera angle! (in car) Some of the shots you all had slowed down of the race cars passing by would make amazing backgrounds for a compute screen
I absolutely loved this film to bits. I owned a 89 E30 325i,big standard and it was white. My mate sold it to me saying it was bullit proof. I thought,we'll see. I payed £1200 for it in 2002,drove it properly for 3 years covering 45k miles and i only ever spent money on a rotten front wing. Passed it's mot 3 times and i didn't replace anything on it. It was rapid,basic but mad happy fun. Sold it for £500 nwith a full m.o.t and 221k on the clock.
Google "pacenotes" if you want more info on the racing notes. The larger numbers are distances, the smaller numbers tell the driver how sharp the turn is. It sounds complicated, but once you get used to them, they are a great driver's aide.
I would love to see a video going into some more detail of the car itself. It would be pretty fascinating to know the rough costs of getting into amateur rallying. Thanks for great content Chris!
Great video, I think if I had to do pace notes I would throw up and I loved watching the videos of this rally and the one at brands hatch on your channel.
Love the car testing, Mate, but these rally clips are absolutely brilliant. Well done, Cheers. & BTW, bollocks on the got it shit, you've had it a long, long time ago.
The numbers correspond to the severity or radius of the corner, a lower number is sharper than a higher number or vice versa. As for the notes, the rally either gives them pre made notes or they write their own after a pre-run of the stage. They are usually provided though i believe.
CHRIS HARRIS Brilliant, and outstanding work on capturing the event in all its glory. ones question, but after watching I found myself thinking about future classic rally events and would like to know your opinion on which would dominate these events. thought of this as I saw the old AE86 in slow motion and thinking would someone really enter the new 86 in 20-30 years time?
The numbers are not a gear indication, it is a corner severity note. They range 1-6 with 1 being a very tight hairpin type turn and 6 being a slight bend.
This was way better than any poor excuse for rally coverage I've seen here in the states which is usually 20 minutes of leaderboards and interviews and 5 minutes of driving. This was intense just watching, can't image actually doing it. Cheers!
Chris, what engine is in the 325i rally racer... fairly stock 2.5? What dampers? If you are looking for more power, how about an engine swap to a euro s50, s54, m60, or just boost the 2.5i. I love the E30 btw... I have a 1984 325e with the 2.7i stoker conversion; fun car to drive!
The numbers 20, 30, 40, 50 etc is the length (in meters I assume) of the straight away before the next turn. The numbers 1-6 indicate the severity of the curve, 1 being a hairpin and 6 being just a slight curve. So if it sounds like he says "66 left" he means "60, 6 left" or 60 meters of straight road and then a slight left curve. Hope that helps...
Loved it - so much more intense than WRC action. Some good driving as well - in first stage few times I though that's it - in the ditch, but it wasn't. Well done boys, keep good stuff rolling.
What is the preparation of this car? Stock engine? If the engine is stock we could truly say that is a "tank". Here in Portugal we have some of them (325i) doing some tarmac/gravel rallys and they never go down, even the 3.0 286cv from M3 is very very reliable.
I have to do this at least once In my life!!! Looks like so much fun! And the coolest car there was easily the freelancer that thing looked awesome!!!!
Wow! Almost zero grip ,power oversteer to the rescue. I think I watched a left foot braking video of yours, Chris, was there a lot of left foot braking going on?
The numbers indicate the gear used through the corner (or the speed). So a 5 or 6 right is a very fast right corner. A '2 left into 3 right, don't cut' means you have a slow, second gear left corner going into a third gear right corner, which you can not cut (probably because of rocks or something on the inside of the corner). The longer numbers you hear (100, 300, 600) are the straights between the corners. Jumps are jumps, crests are crests. Cut means cut the corner, because you can.
You do such awesome work! I love you videos. My only wish is that you did shared the wealth, in other words videos where you taught driving skills and techniques.
I believe the single number is how sharp the turn is. Like a sharpness grade. In the US, I believe with the SCCA rallies, everybody gets the same notes. While in the WRC, during the recce, the driver and co-driver could use whatever system they're comfortable with.
The numbers that the co driver is reading is called the rally script. He is describing the corners, their intensity, also he is telling him how surface conditions are, and what speed to go through them, and also he is describing turning angles, That way Chris can drive as fast as possible knowing what is ahead of him.
The two car guys I love to watch on video are Chris and some bloke called Tiff Needell, both happen to be crackin' drivers. Coincidence? I think not. Keep up the great work Chris.
the numbers are the severity of a corner not the gears. Just to clear that up. You can have a hairpin into a 6 left/right, Dosnt mean ull go past hairpin and slam 5 gears to go into the corner. A 6 is usually a flat out corner down to a 2 which is a 90 degree and a 1 which is a hairpin. Apart from that your right.
First numbers are a distance, most likely meters in this case, the next number is the degree of the corner. 1 being pull the handbrake and enter a hairpin and 6 being a rather long-open corner. The later notes come from the driver when they do a cruise through of the stage.
Amateur rally is best rally.
Chris some tips for You:
The two biggest problem with E30s are the rear suspension and the front/rear weight distribution.
With the rear suspension theres not much you can do, but if you'd like to make the car less nose-heavy you should put an M52B28 single vanos engine inside. Its aluminium block is 28kg lighter right where it matters: on the front axle, and it also has more power, 193hp as stock. If you put an M50TUB25 single vanos air intake throttle body ecu afm so basically everything from an M50TUB25 engine onto the M52B28 and remap the M50's Bosch 413 Ecu to give the more fuel needed for the extra 300cm3 you'll get 230hp easily and the whole thing would cost less than 500GBP. You will be able to use the existing gearbox clutch flywheel, starter motor (only if the flywheel is kept) propshaft, cooling system, (for using the oil cooling of the 325i you'll need an oil filter house from an S50engine but that still isn't expensive) the rear part of the exhaust, etc. Btw you'll need an E34 M50 oil pan and and oil pump intake pipe.
Benefits? More power, more low-end torque which is useful using a gearbox like yours, less weight (on the front!), less ability to lose oil pressure when cornering hard or changing direction, easily remappable (let's say home-remappable) Bosch 413 ecu...
That's the best way forward! Keep going! ;)
m52 weighs more than an m20 and just stock the e30 has about 53/47 weight distribution so that's pretty good
hentyhorsay An alloy M52 does not weigh more than a M20. Get yer shit straight.
Alloy block is a lot less common. That's not coming out of an e36
hentyhorsay They're in all of our E36 323 and 328, a whole bunch of E38s and E39s
Then I think there are some in our E46s too
Are you guys from Europe? I forgot that you guys got the alloy whereas in the US we got the iron blocks
From an American twenty-year-old who nearly lost the dream of racing, thank you, Chris and Dan, for inspiring me once again. I may not ever run in WRC, but I'll be running classic, you can bet on it.
Now, if I could just find a Mk. I or Mk. II VW GTI for cheap....
Chris you have to make more of these vids if you can. This is real mans motorsport. :) Great vid and good driving!
"To me this is fundamental motor sports, and I just love it." Well said.
Drive, you are the greatest. Older cars are cars regular people can participate in. And that's more fun than watching three people bicker over six figure cars.
Only sport besides the isle of man TT that can actually give you an adrenalin rush while watching.
I can feel the intensity...Dan did a excellent job! Quick hands Calvin...great vid guys! Good job Neil on the shots too!
These vids just get better and better.Harris and his team nail it every time - such quality.The photography is simply beautiful and the production perfect.Long may they continue.And that 325 looks so right,make's me want one..
Think of it this way: What if you hadn't realized the oil was leaking? If you'd have just went for the 3rd stage you'd have got five hundred meters and then the engine cuts, you check to see what's happened, see there's no oil and the motor is totally ruined, you might as well just trash it all together. At least now you only need to fix the leakage and fill it up with oil and you have a perfectly working toy again!
Brilliant video . Loved the whole thing . You can still find inspirational motor sport at reasonable cost . Thanks.
THANKS CHRIS FOR SHARING THE EXPERIENCE! Looks like Great fun always wanted to do it never had the money (or honestly a track) But Great full to experience the event with you at the wheel! Thanks from the USA
glued to the screen the whole time! i just watched some top gear before this, and while it's nicely filmed and all i love rawness of drive! no crazy music, no bickering, just pure driving and the sound of a 2.5 german 6 being flung across the dirt!
they did NOT cook that bacon long enough
It was most likely cured bacon, which only has to be cooked for a crisp texture. Im with you though, I like REAL bacon.. crispy bacon. Did I say bacon?
cxbra
Mmmm
Actually the bacon looked OK to me. We don't burn it until its crispy like the yanks do. However, I fundamentally agree that the most crucial aspect to this video is indeed the bacon factor.
Dear America,
Cured Danish bacon is something you need to get your head around. It's in a different league to that fatty thin stuff you insist on burning the arse off.
You're welcome,
The rest of the world
ituned arse ROFL
loving these videos chris, looking forward to the next.
The thing i love most about drive is the presenters each bring a different element to their videos. No feature is the same.
THANK YOU FOR NO MUSIC!
sooo much better with just car noise
love this episode Great Job to all involved
Surely it can't be long before Chris gets his own TV show, I must have watched all his stuff, its simply brilliant. Keep up the good work Chris!
I love the full stage/race uploads...my favorite Chris Harris vids!
That was, simply, one of the best rally videos ever. I was there, in the car, my heart is still racing. You could feel it!
Harris is THE MAN. Most entertaining, informative, genuine car guy around. Thanks for the great vids.?
This has to be one of the best Chris Harris videos which I have ever seen. Makes want to do something like that.
Fantastic video and huge respect to you Chris for your driving, and to Dan for calling out the notes...both job well done.
Stone between the sump and the sump guard: put a foam pad between to keep the stones out. But make sure you have a big enough oil cooler because there will be even less airflow around the sump.
Running in a rally like this one is a dream of mine. Chris Harris is a lucky guy. He must wake up in the morning and say isn't it great to be me. I really like the video because it is not about someone with deep pockets with the best of the best. It is a realistic car that most people could easily afford and build. Great footage. Good notes from the copilot. Great driving. Can't waite to see more.
Epic video! Forgot how good the sound of a mk11 Escort on a rally stage is! Chris, you are the people's hero!
10:50. Real heart stopping moment... Chris Harris I thought you were a great driver before this video but now I'm just in awe of you. I salute you Sir.
absolutely awesome..really shows the spirit of this..so entertaining just to see you guys enjoy driving on the edge..
Wish I could be Chris Harris for a week;) I have a very strong, clean, white e30ix that I've been trying to get to that point. I like watching the videos of CH driving and riding in WRC cars, those edge of your seat cliff hanger vids have definitely kept the /DRIVE alive with me!
Much much more quality onboard video than most of the "official WRC onboards" footages ... outstanding job once again
Some of those external shots of the Harris car took me right back to the '90s. Jolly good show, I dare say.
This might be one of the best videos Chris Harris has ever done. I also loved the Perelli (?) tire demo with the Lancia Stratos and 037 and Chris riding shotgun.
this was by far the best rally coverage that i have ever seen, great vid
top quality video....Chris has raised the quality bar for youtube videos on a whole new level
All the shots of that Mk2 Escort are crazy. I don't know if it's just the size of the thing, but it looks SO damn fast and at home in the mud.
Was awsome to see you bat it past on stage 2 chris and as for the video, brilliant as always. Top job!!
I want to do this more than anything else in life! I cannot think of anything more fun and zen inducing! Brilliant! RWD is absolute the best choice!
Seeing a MK1 and MK2 escort still hitting the rally stages fills my heart with joy.
who are the idiots that gave this a thumbs down? this is great FREE content.
I have navigated for a mate in a tarmac rally in Australia, called Targa Tasmania. I know how hard it is to stay on notes. Well done. Awesome fun.
Just brilliant. Properly commited on that 2nd stage. Good effort guys.
Great piece of driving there. You know there is something special about dirt rally racing. The navigator reading the list of navigational gibberish, the cars spurting fire and black smoke from their tailpipes, the drivers wrestling the wheel from side to side as if they were wrangling a Bronto bull, the rich throaty sound of engines being pushed to their limits, and the diehard fans standing in their coats on muddy hills to catch a small part of the action. There is nothing like it.
This was epic. And extremely glad to hear the motor wasn't blown. I knew that bump would do some sort of damage.
I really feel connected to this. I care about this car, this event, these two men. I like watching rally, but when I really care about every factor, it's that much more exciting.
This was awesome! More like this, we are living vicariously through you guys!
Holy cow, Chris. This was awesome! this should be its own separate series. You can call it "Chris and Dan go Rallying"
chris harris: highlight every week on youtube :) reason of subscription, indeed !
What camera did you use for slowmo videos?
And one more thing:
14:54-15:04 just look at that GESTURE
That was fantastic to watch can't wait for another one and the best form of motorsport is RALLYING!!!!
We need more vids like this showing that motor sport can be cheap (ish) and I thought that Dan did an awesome job on the notes as it was the first time I have ever been able to follow rally notes!!
That was a highly entertaining video! More! With the same camera angle! (in car)
Some of the shots you all had slowed down of the race cars passing by would make amazing backgrounds for a compute screen
I absolutely loved this film to bits. I owned a 89 E30 325i,big standard and it was white. My mate sold it to me saying it was bullit proof. I thought,we'll see. I payed £1200 for it in 2002,drove it properly for 3 years covering 45k miles and i only ever spent money on a rotten front wing. Passed it's mot 3 times and i didn't replace anything on it. It was rapid,basic but mad happy fun. Sold it for £500 nwith a full m.o.t and 221k on the clock.
Google "pacenotes" if you want more info on the racing notes. The larger numbers are distances, the smaller numbers tell the driver how sharp the turn is. It sounds complicated, but once you get used to them, they are a great driver's aide.
I would love to see a video going into some more detail of the car itself. It would be pretty fascinating to know the rough costs of getting into amateur rallying. Thanks for great content Chris!
Great video, I think if I had to do pace notes I would throw up and I loved watching the videos of this rally and the one at brands hatch on your channel.
Brilliant as usual Chris. Ultimate form of motor sport for me.
chris harris + E30 + British gravel stage = a dam brilliant youtube clip
Love the car testing, Mate, but these rally clips are absolutely brilliant. Well done, Cheers. & BTW, bollocks on the got it shit, you've had it a long, long time ago.
The numbers correspond to the severity or radius of the corner, a lower number is sharper than a higher number or vice versa. As for the notes, the rally either gives them pre made notes or they write their own after a pre-run of the stage. They are usually provided though i believe.
Chris, I am SO HAPPY that you've got the rally bug because now I get to watch you put an even faster car sideways round the UK backwoods
CHRIS HARRIS
Brilliant, and outstanding work on capturing the event in all its glory.
ones question, but after watching I found myself thinking about future classic rally events and would like to know your opinion on which would dominate these events.
thought of this as I saw the old AE86 in slow motion and thinking would someone really enter the new 86 in 20-30 years time?
I've got a question. Are the co-drivers issued notes, or do they run the route in trucks first to capture the specific turns and terrain changes?
This is still a superb car - owned one (88, 325i with M chassis) for 21 years...
Chris.........bloody great driving.....this is the essence of motorsport!
The numbers are not a gear indication, it is a corner severity note. They range 1-6 with 1 being a very tight hairpin type turn and 6 being a slight bend.
Utterly superb episode, makes me want to rally again!
i love how the older cars like the sscort aand cortina are the ones that are being driven like maniacs. great stuff
Chris you are the man, this is an awesome show and that looked like a lot of fun!
This was way better than any poor excuse for rally coverage I've seen here in the states which is usually 20 minutes of leaderboards and interviews and 5 minutes of driving. This was intense just watching, can't image actually doing it. Cheers!
Awesome stuff well done!! The Drive logo on the 325i looked ace!!
Chris, what engine is in the 325i rally racer... fairly stock 2.5?
What dampers? If you are looking for more power, how about an engine swap to a euro s50, s54, m60, or just boost the 2.5i. I love the E30 btw... I have a 1984 325e with the 2.7i stoker conversion; fun car to drive!
Loved it! Great to have different aspect of mechanic sport and automobile in general
WOW!!! That looked like sooo much fun!!! I would love to drive in a rally one day!
the spectator view had some crappy cameras (or were they camera phones?)
The numbers 20, 30, 40, 50 etc is the length (in meters I assume) of the straight away before the next turn. The numbers 1-6 indicate the severity of the curve, 1 being a hairpin and 6 being just a slight curve. So if it sounds like he says "66 left" he means "60, 6 left" or 60 meters of straight road and then a slight left curve. Hope that helps...
At the end of the video when you just hear his voice and nothing else. I could just listen to him all day long.
Both are actually correct in describing turn severity, it really depends on how each team operates. I have seen it both ways many times.
Great video, any specs on the car? Aside from the safety stuff. Looks like huge fun on a relative budget!
Loved it - so much more intense than WRC action. Some good driving as well - in first stage few times I though that's it - in the ditch, but it wasn't. Well done boys, keep good stuff rolling.
What is the preparation of this car? Stock engine?
If the engine is stock we could truly say that is a "tank". Here in Portugal we have some of them (325i) doing some tarmac/gravel rallys and they never go down, even the 3.0 286cv from M3 is very very reliable.
I have to do this at least once In my life!!! Looks like so much fun! And the coolest car there was easily the freelancer that thing looked awesome!!!!
Great video. What's the engine, suspension and the weight of the car is like?
Wow! Almost zero grip ,power oversteer to the rescue. I think I watched a left foot braking video of yours, Chris, was there a lot of left foot braking going on?
Great video - really enjoyed it.
Can't wait for your next rally.
The numbers indicate the gear used through the corner (or the speed). So a 5 or 6 right is a very fast right corner. A '2 left into 3 right, don't cut' means you have a slow, second gear left corner going into a third gear right corner, which you can not cut (probably because of rocks or something on the inside of the corner).
The longer numbers you hear (100, 300, 600) are the straights between the corners. Jumps are jumps, crests are crests. Cut means cut the corner, because you can.
This is awesome! Bunch of guys having a blast! Awesome video and editing!
Adding rally to Chris Harris is just fantastic.
Rally drivers make the worst co-drivers. Keep your nose in the book, and don't repeat yourself!
idriwzrd every driver needs different notes personally I would prefer some notes repeated
Shut up bud clearly u dont hav any experience
When you give a long string if notes its best to repeat the notes if you have time like on a long straight
Well done Chris! Loved the video and it felt f**king awesome watching you rally it out! Keep it rolling!
You do such awesome work! I love you videos. My only wish is that you did shared the wealth, in other words videos where you taught driving skills and techniques.
I believe the single number is how sharp the turn is. Like a sharpness grade. In the US, I believe with the SCCA rallies, everybody gets the same notes. While in the WRC, during the recce, the driver and co-driver could use whatever system they're comfortable with.
Wow, full rally stage video? Loved it!
Chris you are just a crazy / cool dude! You're the best reviewer on youtube period. MORE PLEASE!
This was a great video.
Very much enjoyed it.
Thank you for the upload.
The numbers that the co driver is reading is called the rally script. He is describing the corners, their intensity, also he is telling him how surface conditions are, and what speed to go through them, and also he is describing turning angles, That way Chris can drive as fast as possible knowing what is ahead of him.
The two car guys I love to watch on video are Chris and some bloke called Tiff Needell, both happen to be crackin' drivers. Coincidence? I think not.
Keep up the great work Chris.
the numbers are the severity of a corner not the gears. Just to clear that up. You can have a hairpin into a 6 left/right, Dosnt mean ull go past hairpin and slam 5 gears to go into the corner. A 6 is usually a flat out corner down to a 2 which is a 90 degree and a 1 which is a hairpin. Apart from that your right.
What an awesome show! Props to Chris and Dan
Soooo good!!! I wanna see more of the 325i before you switch!!!
As always, Mega!! But, hope to see the other Driveshows again
First numbers are a distance, most likely meters in this case, the next number is the degree of the corner. 1 being pull the handbrake and enter a hairpin and 6 being a rather long-open corner. The later notes come from the driver when they do a cruise through of the stage.