No, BJ Blazkowicz and Doomguy are NOT related.
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:37 Official sources and their flaws
1:56 Mainline games
2:52 Secondary games and spin-offs
4:30 Timeline Tomfoolery
6:35 They're related...now what?
8:45 End - Ігри
Forgot to mention: you can of course headcanon them as being related, if you want. Personally, I don't really care either way. I just don't believe it adds anything beyond that and definitely shouldn't be used as evidence or anything.
Also, to those people saying it makes the universe feel larger: I think it does the opposite. Remember how in Star Wars, everyone is related to each other? Like how Darth Vader built 3CPO and fought alongside R2D2 and is the father of Luke and Leia, who end up killing the Emperor? For such a giant galaxy, it sure is a small family. And that's the same way I feel towards this.
I'm also refusing to even acknowledge comments by people that didn't watch the video. 99% of rebuttals are things I already addressed.
To each their own thing, but hey they are badasses in their own rights, that for sure
Finally, someone who talks sense. What you said about Star Wars is how I've always felt about not only that, but also the Robotech universe where a lot of material tries to make all the New Generation cast somehow directly related to Macross-era characters. I will never understand people who see this as a good thing.
Doom RPG
Wolf RPG
Hitler stole B.J.'s body from the neck down, so now Doomguy has to gather a gang of misfits and travel to Egypt to stop him.
This adventure truly sounds bizarre
I get the reference, but imagine if this is the plot of Wolfenstein 3, it doesn't make sense according to previous games, but at least sounds cool
Doomguy as Jotaro, Old Commander Keen as Joseph, Daisy as Iggy
I gotta think of the others, maybe Duke Nukem as Polnareff, hmm
Why did I go to Osiris before Jojo
@@JazzSicaa Really? I thought it sounded rather....Serious.
Meet me outside we squaring up
I mean, if it's technically US as doom guy, wouldn't that mean we're the spirit of the hero? Maybe all these characters aren't related by blood, but the concept of "The same heroic spirit that inhabited your great grandfather now inhabits you". Like a passing of the mantel kind of thing which honestly sounds pretty cool!
That's what the Doomguy video was about, yeah.
Do I accept BJ, Billy Blaze and Doomguy as related, and all members of the Blazkowicz lineage?
- Yes.
Does it actually matter?
- No.
Hell, if we take Id's word, heroism even took a break. It ain't destiny.
It saying Doomguy is the same in all 3 games in that Doom RPG blurb is probably just promtional stuff trying to make the mobile game feel like a must-play or another chapter of the Doom series, as in more legitimate as a game and not shovelware.
The fact they thought it was a good idea to mention it at all shows how little the Doom canon actually matters. They don't consider Doomguy to be an actual character, just "some dude".
Nothing John Carmack has ever touched has been shovelware. He made four phone rpgs before he left Id. Doom rpg, 2 wolfenstien rpgs and a game called orcs and elves.
Marketing material, including manuals for rereleases, are not to be taken seriously. Doom 3 BFG edition makes the same claim despite the fact it was never mentioned in the original release.
@@GermanPeter I miss when doomguy was “just some guy” tbh he was better that way
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I strongly and respectfully disagree
I will not be taking questions thank you
Gordon Freeman is still the 12th cousin of Wario though
Nah, I still like the concept of there being a family history of being top-tier ass-kickers fighting the forces of evil. It's fun to have an interconnected world, even if it's mostly superficial.
A small correction, The Doom Slayer is the Doomguy from the classic games, except some eaons after the events of Doom 64 where he got trapped in hell eventually finding a portal to the world of the night sentinels leading to the story of Doom 2016 (as implied by the codices from Doom Eternal)
I think its kinda cool to see Doom Guy and BJ being related because I feel like it makes both the worlds kinda bigger, as if they actually have lives after the games are finished, plus I think its kinda fun to have a family of lineage of ass kicking.
Like, you're not just killing demons because you have to, but because its a right of passage in your family.
Idk maybe you could go even further into wackiness and say that they aren't related by blood, but anyone that can mow down enough monsters to make a mountain bigger than Everest with a shotgun is part of the Blaskowitz family
Honestly, I always feel like shoehorning in these connections makes the universe feel smaller. Remember how C3PO was built by Darth Vader, who also fought alongside R2D2, and who is the father of the guy who ends up killing the Emperor, and whose daughter is the princess? Some of these connections matter in terms of the story, the others are contrived.
And while BJ and Doomguy being related doesn't in any way make anything worse (since it really affects nothing), I still don't like it.
@@GermanPeter yeah fair enough.
I remember a joke about when everyone first goes to the death star in episode 4 that "Han solo brought in Vader's son, his astromech, the droid he built, the wookie that saved his apprentice, and his mentor. All on a single ship, only a few hours after alderaan was destroyed"
I agree with you that it was a little too much, even for star wars.
Everyone has their own taste when it comes to that sorta stuff, and more power to ya for being able to articulate why!
5:52 I guess Taggart is his middle name (since the password to the Slayer's computer to play Doom 2 in Eternal is Flynn Taggart)
TF?
how long was this a thing?
Flynn Taggart was the name of the Doom guy in the classic Doom Novels there written from a POV of a team who hasn't gotten the real manual names so Cacodemons are named Pumpkins and the Cyberdemon is a steam deamon
@@JeffreyPiatt not true they were named pumpkins because of an obscure message to the doom creators:
Listen up, ID Software!
Next time you have an impending release of a much anticipated
game, make sure its name is not so cool-sounding as DOOM and much
longer to eliminate all of the casual "Where can I get xxx" posts.
How about "Smashing Pumpkins Into Small Piles Of Putrid Debris" for
the next game?
The books actually reference it too
Oo-rah!" exulted Arlene. “Smashing pumpkins into small pieces of putrid debris! What
the hell was that?"
Also they only called steam deamons and pumkins by fly and the scientists call them Cyberdemons and cacodemons
Cacodemons:
“Yes, well, we’re standardizing the terminology for official government science. Now take the cacodemons, for instance.” “A what?” “You call them pumpkins. I confess I like that name myself, what with the Halloween associations, but it won’t do for an official name.”
Cyberdemons:
“There’s no smell,” I volunteered.“No odor, right.(fly) Not with a cyberdemon.” (Scientist)“A what?”(fly)“I forgot. You call them something else, don’t you?”(scientist) “Steam demons.”
so dont just assume that the people writing the books did not know anything
I might have misread what you said though
When a detailed analysis becomes a huge non-answer, you know you should have spent the time on something more rewarding.
Sure, when you ignore almost all of the video, it really *is* about nothing!
@@GermanPeter The rift between the creator's vision and the viewers' perceptions is an inextricable part of art!
In many works of fiction, ancestry and a hero's lineage has always been important... Be it having a special innate talent being a warrior, having an ability nobody else has that they inherited, special preferential treatment from a divine being as the descendant of the original "chosen one" and so on...
We see this with the first three Dragon Quest games which puts a ton of importance of the lineage of the Hero, and of course the Metal Gear games having importance of Big Boss with his cloned "children" who also share his talent for espionage and combat.
Be it a realistic thing is one thing, but it's a trope in fiction that arguably will never die :P
GREAT SCOTT! THE TIMELINE IS ALL FLUFFED UP!
What do we do, Doc???
me when i refuse to accept official lore so i have to make a video talking about how wrong i am
Eh, I don't think anyone is expecting anything important to come out of them being related anyway. It would just be a cool trivia fact and that's it. Like "hey, that guy sent all those nazi bastards to hell and now his great grandson is kicking ass *in* hell" or, despite you somewhat rightfully being opposed to the idea, "Slayer actually comes from a great lineage of warriors that fought the forces of evil".
Actually it is pretty well explained in Doom 2016 and Eternal that the doom slayer is the same guy as the protag in 1,2 and 64
The dude still has Hell-PTSD.
I sure hope plutonia isn't cannon otherwise he'd have super HELL-PTSD
Interesting enough due to his darker hair and the soul cube laying on his desk in his workshop I think the canon timeline is Doom 3, D64, 2016 then Eternal with 2016 and Eternal been replacements for the events of 1 and 2 e.g 2016 being on Mars again and Eternal being a much better Hell on Earth then Doom 2 could be portrayed with the build engine at the time
@@mercurioslevin1877
The backstory for Doom 64 tells us that the reason there are demons again is that the Mother Demon showed up and resurrected all the demons you killed in the previous games.
So Doom 1 and Doom 2 have to happen before Doom 64.
And even though 2016 and Eternal are in a way absolutely supposed to be remakes of 1 and 2, I prefer the idea of Doom Slayer having already survived through those games all those years ago, then being awakened only to see that another Earth is making all the same mistakes all over again.
@@mercurioslevin1877 yes... and no, I would think. Doom 3 is a straight up remake of Doom 1. The only differences being they didn't have to cut a LOT of what happened in "the story so far" section of the original's manual from the game this time due to technical restraints and the desire to put speed of game over it. It was never going to cover Doom 2, however (before it was Doom 2016, the original Doom 4 project was going to give Doom 2 the same treatment... they just decided what they were making didnt feel enough like it should so that idea was scrapped... you can find bits and pieces of what they did for this on youtube). So you could say that if the timeline is Doom, Doom 2, Doom 64, and then Doom 2016, Doom 3 is in the same slot as Doom... depending on how much detail you want.
I never really cared about the lineage all that much. To me, I was doomguy.
I wrote this topic in my doom-nerdo-666 blog months ago and something I've mentioned is that BJ in the 3D strategy guide has a a different family compared to Anya and the twins.
The mere existence of MachineGames' characters is proof enough that BJ in their games is not the same as the classic BJ, while the Doomslayer is supposed to be the original Doomguy (Even though his face is different, whether or not the classic armor could've been based off Adrian's design instead of the box art, also how Hell's lore for the cybernetic demons was retconned etc).
I'm of the opinion that id's franchises' settings are appealing because they're basic ideas that can be interpretated differently and have a versatility that may not work with "lore" or something like that.
Between official games already doing things differently and how fans either make different types of content, have personal interpretations or even affect the way how people remember the series, it feels like Doom works as a blank canvas similar to how its protagonist was originally a blank slate.
It honestly feels like Doom and others only have lore or more story because it feels like a standard in other media.
Because otherwise, one could've been even more picky over what's more "ideal" for Doom.
As if taking Doom seriously is a spectrum ranging from obsessing over sprites and specific trivia and then just looking at cool mods and fanart that get experimental with Doom's different flavors.
You also have how some people don't like certain parts of Doom Eternal's story and i feel like id could just simply allow a Doom game with its own version of the lore just to see how some ideas could've been done (even without devaluating the Slayer games).
Not the same as Halo always having a lore that Bungie had mostly in mind until 343 shows up and fucks it up.
My opinion is that doomguy is cool and ID really needs to fix the timeline 😭
I do think it's hilarious to imagine that there are two generations of a family fighting bloody wars as an unstoppable killing machine, with freaking Commander Keen in between.
Also, it would be very cool if Doom Guy could meet and fight alongside BJ. Maybe the latter decided he would rather kill Nazis in hell than sit around in Heaven doing nothing.
Doomguy and Quakeguy aren't related, but are in the same universe (or multiverse). If Quake III Arena is to be believed. The roster there includes Quake 1 Guy (called Ranger), Quake 2 Guy (called Bitterman), and Doomguy (just called Doom).
Now that I think about it, I find it strange that Quake III Arena didn't have BJ in the roster.
Finally someone else says this. Its like only alluded to in one game, a mobile game. And it was literally only in Doom RPG 2, and its not even doomguy or the OG doom Universe. It was in the Doom 3 universe.
It was actually also in wolfenstie. Rpg where bj has a fight with a precybered demon and he says he will haimt bjs descendents. And since that game was made by John carmack I'm gonna say it's canon.
I hope you can also do a video on Daisy? Like i see people act like Doomguy is doing all the demon killing SIMPLY because of Daisies death, when that was ONLY ADDED in Ep4 of Doom, and the kicker is in the text screen of Ep4, he said he ALREADY avenged Daisy in that game its just super overblown and everywhere nowadays and its not even true.
YEAH!
That's something that bothered me to hell and back too. I heard about it before playing the games, but I never knew they only referenced that in episode 4, which was added well after Doom 1 was already out. It's one of those things I only begrudgingly accept because it was added so shortly after release. Also, she's somehow alive still, as shown in Eternal?
There's the video, I guess :P I don't have much more to say.
@@GermanPeter Yeah in the EP3 ending text in Doom 1 he never mentioned the rabbit, let alone the one in the ending screen being his. That was only added in The Ultimate Doom. The text screen itself says that "someone had to avenge daisy; your pet rabbit." Which very much implies he already got his vengeance. But people nowadays act like thats his ONLY motivation in ALL games and it just annoys me slightly. Like it was funny for awhile but now its being spread like gospel lol.
(Also thanks for the mini video in the reply you gave me LMAO i'll take it.)
I'm also pretty sure Daisy was only created because people thought the rabbit head on a spike was actually Doomguy's hand holding it up. Heck, that's what I used to think.
Still, it was a throwaway line to justify more Doom content and kind of mocking the idea of Doom having any sort of story in the first place. Like sure, he'll go back to hell to avenge his pet rabbit, why not! That's more important than saving Earth!
@@GermanPeter apparently, hugo martin in his director walkthrough streams said those daisy easter eggs are doomguy hallucinating her. Unfortunately I cannot remember WHAT specific stream he said this but they are all on UA-cam if someone here wants to actually bother with searching it
@@GermanPeter tbf, it could always be another rabbit with the same name. Yeah, we don't see a "daisy II" anywhere, but its not impossible.
nah man, they gotta be related
cause that canonically makes the doom slayer polish
POLSKA GUROM
Cebule
Also, one thing that bothers me about Spear of Destiny's mission packs is that you kill the bosses twice, which makes me ask how they did come back to life. With Major Hans "The Axe" Schlieffen and The Robot, I get it because they're robots, they're either reparable or expendable, but what about Submarine Willy and Professor Quarkblitz? The quote Professor Quarkblitz says when he dies, suggests that he's died before and revived again, but it's never explained how, maybe he was revived the same way as Wolf 3D's mutants. Also, what about the Devil Incarnate? Since he's a mortal being, unless he's using black magic that I'm completely unaware of. Also, I heard that in the MachineGames Era, Doom and Commander Keen is not canon to the modern Wolfenstein games, since these series are from an alternate universe where Nazi Germany became the entire nation of the world. Also, the reason why there are 4 Commander Keens on a noose at the end of Doom 2's super secret level, map 32: Grosse, was because at the time Adrian Carmack was an artist for Commander Keen, Wolfenstein 3D, and Doom, and he added Commander Keen in the end as some sort of punishment to the character. I heard another possible connection like how in Wolfenstein RPG, BJ Blazkowicz received resources from his descendant Commander Keen.
I don't like the idea that you must be related to someone to be powerful. You're just badass.
You're a god, the messiah, the lightbringer but the light is a muzzle flash.
I never really looked much into how this theory would work (mostly because I'm relatively new to the DOOM community in general). I've just seen the theory, and accepted that it was a common theory, but I never thought much about it. Of course, I'm not opposed to them taking place in the same universe, but Doomguy and BJ don't need to be related for that to work.
Also, I wasn't expecting to see that dig at JKR in this, but I kinda enjoyed seeing that.
I think them not being related is a logical conclusion to make, but considering how completely fucked the timelines are in general (as you pointed out), I also don't think it would totally break anything if fans still wanted to see them as related.
And like, yeah, it might not change anything, but it's harmless and many people do think it's a pretty cool factoid.
This video reminds me of that weird fan who asked John Carmack if Doom demons are aliens or demons, and he saw them as aliens. Then JC said they are theological demons. Then dude kept blabbering and contradicting the god
This. It feels like hes using the "it doesnt matter" reasoning as an excuse to avoid counter arguments.
Its pretty telling when he responds to most posts trying to debunk him by effectively saying "you can have that *headcanon*, but know its wrong" despite him bringing up 2 games that have ***_literally_* nothing to do with doom or wolf.
I normally love peter's vids for being well thought out, even for things that are just headcanon (see: the doom maps vids), but here it just felt like he was trying to push his headcanon as fact
Instructions unclear, BJ is related to Doomguy
The modern obsession with "LORE" has ruined fun little factoids like this. You used to be able to make all kinds of sequels and spin-offs with contradictory details and no one cared as long as it was fun, but now everyone expects everything to be a consistent continuity, or worse, a whole expanded universe.
The thing is, I think the whole connection is fine (because it doesn't affect anything). I just mostly don't like it because of how much the newer Doom games desperately try to create a cohesive storyline that's somehow connected to the old games. And then Wolfenstein does a sort-of-but-not-really reboot of the older Wolfenstein games, and still does its own thing. It's like they want to be original, but also can't shake their history.
Maybe just going back to Doomguy being a different person every week is the best plan. Or doing what Duke did and just going "Oh yeah, those games were ALL canon, screw it."
Man, I miss the 90s and early 2000s.
If it's written in the game. It doesn't count if it's written in what I want to count it counts. Okay.
related by profession can be a bond stronger then blood.
They are. Doom RPG and Doom II RPG makes it explicit, if confusing. MachineGames Wolfenstein are non-canon.
If only you had watched the video...
@@GermanPeter I did. You're wrong on every count.
ok 👍
@@GermanPeter Glad we could come to an agreement. This will go down in history as the shortest internet argument ever.
I wonder if Peter has watched The Evil Dead franchise
They are related and no one can tell me otherwise!!
i'm getting flashbacks to the AVGN zelda timeline episode... dear god...
THE CANON IS PRETZELING MY INNER LOBES!!
I don't care what anyone says, they're both related.
You mentioned that if BJ and Doomguy were related, it wouldn't add anything, I personally disagree. By having a clear family tree and timeline, it helps make the worlds Id made feel larger. For instance, the actions of the Pee Babies conecting hell and Earth may have influenced the UAC to do reserch into Hell. Or the action of Comander Keen and his battles against aliens may have pushed humanity into further space travel, leading to the UAC to colonise Mars and with all those events a member of the Blascovich family was their to save the day. It's kinda like JoJo, each story is its own, but a member of the family conects them all and makes the worlds bigger. Maybe BJ is decades apart from Doom Guy, but their bloodline conects them, and when the world needs a Blascovich, one will rise up.
A lot of it is speculation, but the idea of events from Wolfenstein 3D influencing events in Doom really helps make these games feel more interesting to me, and while playing as BJ it gives me a smile knowing that his descendants will carry the torch of earths protecters.
I think that's more structured rather than larger. Having all important events tie back to a single bloodline is often why the Star Wars movie plots feel small to many despite taking place in a galaxy. For example
@dragonlord564
I don't think that one bloodline makes the world feel small. What makes a world feel small is when independent actions can't happen on their own. Using Star Was as the same example, stuff like the clones being made, the separatists forming, the last bit of the republic being dissolved and the resistance existing, all of this happened independently from the Skywalkers and that makes the world feel larger. This is the same with the Id games, BJ stopped WW2, but the UAC still happened and (prosumibly) took influence from the Pee Babies did and began reserching hell, same with space travel The world feels bigger because of independent action seperet from the Blascovichs, but when things go to shit, they are their to clean it all back up. At the end of the day it a matter of opinion, I think BJ and Doom Guy are related inriches the games and makes the worlds feel bigger. If you disagree, that's fine.
Doom is even more convoluted depending on what all you include. Ultimate Doom's fourth episode, Thy Flesh Consumed, kinda doesn't really make sense or have room to have taken place thanks to Doom II: Hell on Earth (also it claims that the one random dead rabbit was your pet bunny Daisy, which I'm pretty sure was not the original intent).
Final Doom's two storylines, if you read the manual, blatantly contradict each other, while both claiming to star the OG Doomguy.
I do love analyzing story elements in games that people normally wouldn't. There's a certain joy in that and I find I care more about the plot and lore of games like Doom or Heretic than I do for most of the Final Fantasy series.
I dont know how one guy can make 8 comments on 1 video and not have thought out how to compress it into 1 comment.
Also good video.
this feels very directed at someone
"why not heretic and hexen?" *hides the intro of return to castle wolfenstain*
Simon the Wanderer is neither Corvus from Heretic nor Daedolon from Hexen. He's his own character.
Even if he were either of them, a clear familial connection is never confirmed by the game. The best we get is that Heinrich says "I sense the presence of another", which could be interpreted in wildly different ways (e.g. "I sense another powerful warrior").
I love your longer videos they always hype me up for more in the future
Listen Peter, I don't like J.K either but we can't go throwing her name around because of a retcon. Come on.
Like, there's a clear difference between saying two characters who look similar are related and "Wizards drop trow randomly and take a fat shit on the sidewalk, then teleport it away."
This is stupid.
You should make a video on the story of Quake 1
Does UA-cam even have enough storage to cover this convoluted mess into something cohesive?
And now Peter you need to do your own version of AVGN's Chronologically Confused series featuring these game series.
That is actually something I'd like to do, at least about Wolfenstein. With Doom, it's a bit simpler because they all split off into their own series (the originals, the RPGs, Doom 3, the new Dooms), but with Wolfenstein, each new title retcons at least one older title.
I don't consider BJ and doom man blood-related as much as I see them as "reincarnations" of each other. It especially feels that way between the machinegames wolfenstein titles and the new doom games, they certainly have gameplay differences but they have a very similar "spirit" to them in the sense that they show unrelenting determination and brutality towards their enemies.
I feel like with the plot editions of Doom Eternal and it's DLC's the idea Doomslayer is the same guy as the classic games feels weird to me. Even if it is the intended canon. It's like the retcons to superhero origins muddying up a simple starting point like -
Doomguy was a marine who killed his superior due to orders from him to fire on civilians. Now he's been relocated and ends up in a apocalypse of UAC's creation. Oh yeah. He's also the reincarnation of Satan!
It feels dumb to me personally
The new Doom lore is absolutely terrible, it's like a bad fan fiction.
Oh, come on! The UA-cam system hid my comment!
Okay, short version of the essay I wrote:
- I think having stories connected to each other through family makes it feel big in the same way a tree with many branches feels massive.
- I also know that I am definitely missing an entire forest for an obsession with one tree.
- Will still think all of Wolf3D's protags and all of Doom's protags are related because it's fun.
- Doesn't matter anyways, because games are fun, anyways.
1:43 tricky one
Actually Corporal Flynn Taggart in the book series is the same guy as in all the doom games except for doom 3 Because that just makes sense why wouldn’t he be called that name? It makes sense to me.
the genealogy would maybe have a meaning if in the game player went to old house and found his ancestor's special gun or something there to help him in his battles, otherwise what's the point
i all ways saw them as related even if it does not matter as they are supposed to symbolize the "never ending" forces of good and how they all ways triumph over evil may that be nazis or demons.
What about Quake 2 & 4 taking place in the same universe as Doom? Since Doom has BFG 9000 and Quake II has BFG 10K, isn’t it possible that Earth was rebuilt sometime after Doom II, and many years later (certainly after Doom 64, which temporarily removes Doomguy from the picture) there were the wars against the Strogg? Is there anything that would severely contradict this?
If anything, you'd need to look for evidence that supports that theory. The BFG being referenced in Quake doesn't automatically indicate a connection, maybe the one in Quake really just is called the "Bio Force Gun", and/or they developed similar technology despite being different universes. Nobody says those games are connected because they both have double-barrel shotguns, after all.
I don't agree with Peter in regards to Doomguy not being related to BJ but Quake 2 and 4 are not in the same universe as Doom. Just because there is a BFG in Quake 2 doesn't mean it's part of Doom lore. It's just part of Id's brand weapons across their games.
This video will age like ayran if id Software or Machine Games ever make a game confirming the relationship lol
I said at the end that I could totally see MachineGames BJ and Doom Slayer being related, and that's probably as far as they'd go (since they used that BJ to show his relation to Commander Keen in the cancelled CK mobile game). But I highly doubt they'd do the same for Wolfenstein 3D, which isn't canon whatsoever in the MachineGames universe.
Also, if all it takes is for someone in the dev team to confirm it, then I'll get a job just to deny it lol
Before I go into my whole personal headcanon about all this "potential connection between Doom and Wolfenstein" stuff, I need someone to help me remember something: Did any of the Wolfenstein games in the recent decade involve the, as GermanPeter so originally refers to them as, 'Pee Babies' managing to time travel and change history to where they won the second World War? I could have sworn that that was what lead into the modern Wolfenstein games, but I may be mixing a bunch of reboots for different series together.
I think you might be thinking of Mortyr.
Youngblood hints at BJ having discovered a portal leading to different dimensions/universes, but that's about it.
@@GermanPeter Huh, no idea where I picked up the 'altered history' thing from then.
4:22 wait how can both Doom 1 and 3 be canon one is a remake of the other
Doom 3 takes place on Mars, Doom 1 on Deimos and Phobos, they could be parallel to each other tho
@@Eric_Nomad_Hixtone Except environments, weapons, UAC lore, demon designs, hell itselfs designs are DRASTICALLY different from eachother.
The actual question we should ask isn't if bj and doomguy are related. We should ask how in hell are quake1 and 2 connected
You should check out blade of agony. The fan made wolfenstein 2.
Love to see a video of that epic game from you. neighbour ;-P
I will say that with Doom 2016 and Eternal making the timeline a little incomprehensible, it stretches belief in the relation theory. However, I do believe that Blazkowicz being Doom Guy's great great grandfather does strengthen Doom Guy's character.
The little bit we know about Doom Guy from the manual for Doom is that he assaulted his commanding officer, after being ordered to fire into a crowd of civilians, and ends up being sent to Mars in retaliation. Okay, that is something any one should do, you don't just fire on an unarmed group of people. But in my head canon, it goes deeper than that.
DG heard/read stories about WW2, and about how his distant ancestor Blazkowicz fought the Nazis. Eventually he enlists in the Marines, hoping to do some good. However, his first mission ends up being the situation mentioned above. Not wanting to be like the Nazis Blazkowicz fought against, he decks his CO in the face.
That's just my head canon anyway.
i thought the reason he joined the marines was he wanted to do better than his no good father
@@johnpatrick8511 According to Sandy Petersen, his father is Commander Keen.
Here's what I think, condensed:
- I think having stories connected to each other through family makes it feel big in the same way a tree with many branches feels massive.
- I also know that I am definitely missing an entire forest for an obsession with one tree.
- Will still think all of Wolf3D's protags and all of Doom's protags are related because it's fun.
- Doesn't matter anyways, because games are fun, anyways.
Sorry for spamming the comments, Peter! The UA-cam algorithm hated my essay and I am mad.
Yes. The UA-cam algorithm. I'm not about to accuse someone of deleting my comments when this has happened to me multiple times on other places. Sometimes, even live!
i disagree
In my opinion it makes it cooler to have a lieneage of heroes who always fought for what is right, from killing nazis, to killing evilness itself with the slayer. I think is neat
In the doom rpg games by id they made it clear they are related and therefore have these unique "survival" skills. Whether the rpg games are canon however is up for debate
I view them as related purely because the little faces on the HUDs of the classic games look like they could totally be family. That's all the justification I need, even if it ultimately doesn't matter.
Alternatively they could be reincarnations of the same heroic spirit defending the ID software multiverse.
I wont lie, seeing a crossover games of some kind would be the best thing to happen in gaming history.
7:16 since there's nothing saying any other characters are related to eachother
What about Billy Blaze having kids on the canceled Commander Keen mobile game?
I wanted to mention it, but they canceled it, so it doesn't matter :P If they had released it, I'd have used it as evidence for Keen being related to MachineGames' BJ. Which I guess would mean there's two different universes with a BJ and Keen who are related.
Ooor are they?!
If they are related (And they obviously are ) it does have some wild implications about the UAC. We have never seen the war end in Wolfenstein with an allied victory, in fact, we have seen the Nazis win the war and take over the USA.
Unless B.J eventually does end the Regime, the UAC would likely be a corporation born from the Nazis. Both have histories in dealing with the occult, both using and creating advanced technologies and turning soldiers into zombies.
the blood line thing would it make sense... not really that is until for some reason those two would need to interact in some way.
(Like Doomguy travels back in time and meets up whit Blazkowicz).
because now Doomguy must make sure that Blazkowicz survives the challenge, maybe even whit out been seen (time travel paradoxes and all that).
Plus Doom was relesed in the US first where at the time a lot of kids had parents or grand parrents or grate grand parrents that been part in a war meaning yes meeting them would mean a lot that would be like meeting a bit hero in theres eye.
3:47 The wiki thinks so but I'm not too sure
Doom has lore?
Like porn
It's not important lore even if it exists
OK, now discuss how he was never called DooM Guy
You might argue that the surname Blaze was derived from Blazkowicz (minus the letter e), but that's just wordplay. It's kind of ironic that Doomguy would kill four hanged versions of his grandfather Billy Blaze. It's possible that the SS you face in Doom II are direct descendants of the ones in Wolfenstein 3D. If they're going to say that Doomguy is descended from Commander Keen who in turn is descended from B.J. Blazkowicz, then how about filling the gaps to list each and every family member between the three heroes. Come to think of it, which Cyberdermon did Blazkowicz defeat? The one from the Tower of Babel or any of the Cyberdemons that followed.
I was tempted to include the part about the Cyberdemon, but I honestly think they're just reincarnations. We already know the Arch-Vile can resurrect fallen enemies during combat, so it's not unreasonable to assume it can do the same to the Cyberdemon and Spider-Mastermind outside of combat, it just takes a whole lot longer.
The only thing that contradicts that theory is that you sometimes fight more than one Cyberdemon (like in Doom 64) and more than one Spider-Mastermind (Doom 2, Map28). So are these clones? Apparitions? Or maybe like you said, there's only one "true" Cyberdemon and the others are just variants. I mean, why should there only be one big bull demon, there's plenty of Barons and Hell Knights around.
2:59 this would probably work if it wasn't removed in a rerelease so take it with a grain of salt
bait used to be believable /j
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@@titieszsombi8128 The '/j' in the comment:
you can say that id software univese is weird
Would anyone want any of the Blazkowicz twins to be related to the Doom Slayer?
I don't really, but I also don't dislike them. I think they're cool and fun.
That's a seperate continuity.
I personally still believe they're related
To me it makes them even cooler, does it add anything no? but cool to have a family of badasses
I guess it would explain how doomguy was able to single handedly beat back hell before becoming the slayer, would need to be from a lineage to have such raw strength and strong will to fight hell itself
1:49 true it doesn't really mater just interesting trivia
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Moderm dooms are Just sequels with are sequels to doom 3 because that have loot of sens
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Tbh I don't care
Keen and BJ being related is good enough
L take so many contradictions and flaws sorry.
I once heard that BJ is meant to be Doomguy's (William J. Blazkowicz III's) grandpa
For that to be true the mobile Commander Keen game from 2019 would have to be Doomguy's first canonical adventure.
I think im fine with them not being related
I don't think that Commander Keen game has a connection to anything.
no
Dude. They aren't related in the Bethesda versions. But wolfenstien rpg has a boss fight with a precyberdemon where he says he will haunt bjs descendants. This has been well established in the Id doom lore for 15 years. Play more games bro.
I literally talked about that in the video LOL
You didn't even watch it and decided to talk smack, damn
@@GermanPeter yes i did. i wasn't talking smack cause A i never put you down and B I prefer the id lore over the bethesda lore because they have contributed nothing to his story other than a name. i wasn't listening to the whole video and sort of missed the middle part. i've been playing wolfenstein since before you were born most likely and i had to yell at a cloud.
There is other huge reason why they not related...Kommander kinn is grandson of bj
But son of slayer is rommero:)
New doom games sucks...
Nah theyre related. Why? I said so
Doomslayer has more character than a Doomguy? Hold your horses there, buddy. The games might be more lore driven, but the actual characters defined by their idenity. Doom Slayer for the most part is just a bug guy, once served as a Sentinel and gifted by gods for...no actual reason. He doesn't even seem to have a goal, other than "kill demons", giving how he was absolutely fine howering in his satelite base while the human population was slaughtered, unlike the Doomguy, who after saving Earth actually stopped fighting. Yeah, he receive a message about home tow, it all happened outside the screen in a text message, but still. Doom Slayer isn't defined by anything other than actions he does in the game, unlike Doomguy, who actually has some text moments, even showing character developement (the ending of Doom 64 is a direct consequence of other Doom games).
I can even argue that Gordon Freeman is less of a character than Doomguy, but that's a big big story and there is nothing important we can get out of that.
the reason doom slayer fought the demons is because they killed his family. We don't know about the bunny daisy, but his family is shown in Doom Eternal
Thanks but i dont care they will be related because its funny and badass
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lol @ dangerous fkng Dave :P
8:58 I still think they're related but I don't really think it's important
Sorry
That's a lot of copium.
Here in the comments? Yeah.
3:05 By your logic doom 64 isn’t canon either.
eh, idk why im commenting when you don’t even read your own comments.
I had something to say, but not with that attitude 🤷
@@GermanPeter ok
Huh?
I mean I don't think he's related to the BJ in the machine games Wolfenstein