I feel this. Sounds like this video is talking about both unhealthy and healthy INTPS/ISTPS which is confusing af. I'm stuck between ISTJ, ISFP, ISTP, INFP, INTP, INTJ, ENFP, and ENTP
yeah they can be. however i dont think they are supposed to determine ones strength with the functions but rather the priority in which we place the functions, which incidentally often times correlates with proficiency in their usage but this isnt always the case.
You're probably an INTP. But don't go by me. Do more research into cognitive functions and see if the order of the istp or intp functions fits better. Also look up the negatives of each type, that helped me.
Very helpful. I'd been borderline distrustful of MBTI, but knowing that Ne is a demon to the INTP makes everything seem like it could finally fit together. I do, quite automatically, use my Ne a lot, but the process of it feels very turbulent, unsettling and, sometimes, even distracting. It's not until I can narrow down the options and envision them coming together with my Ti logical framewok that I actually feel at peace, and even then, only until some future situation arises which might shake this structure, rendering me extremely uneasy until I'm done going over the painful process of taking everything apart and reconsidering.
hold on. didn't he say Si was the demon of an intp? the second function should not be a demon, it should be balancing, the thing that secures the type no? :/
I've been typing this one person as an istp forever and this made me think that they might actually be an intp because they always wanna be right and if not they blame the info gathering as you said lol
Explains quite a bit, actually. I do tend to blow things off like the whole: "Meh, I have all the information it's fine." In reality? It's not fine. Mostly because there's something I missed and I have repercussions later.
It seems like I am either a stock INTP or a Jumper ISTP. I am poor with recalling minor details, I tend to remember concepts easier but also seem to "just know" things . I am leaning more towards stock INTP but I don't fit the stereotypical "nerd profile" a lot of these other websites allude to.
intuit is more space cadet stuff like astrology than actual nerd stuff like aeronautical engineering. if you read comic books rather than advanced electrical schematics, you're InTP for sure.
ATF2099 this made me chuckle. What did you mean by this.. I dont know if "bad" was needed as theyre just subjective taste if people like mainstream ones. Idk but ok anyway, did you mean INTP can withstand long episodes of anime than ISTP? Are you trying to imply something like it depends on attention span and open mindedness to watch something as long as One Piece? Im still on the fence of either Im an INTP or ISTP myself and a huge weeb that isnt really outdoor-sy. Im too picky in things and not that stereotypically interested enough to read about things to be INTP or Im not too active enough to enjoy physical stimulation that much. I like the thrill and such but no so much as I find some physical activities pretty boring. Im kinda leaning in ISTP but i dont fit the stereotype like I dont fit with the INTP
My quandary is ISTP or INTJ. INTJ is what I get most often but have been typed as ISTP. I definitely use NI way more than SE. I also think I use TE instead of TI as Jung laid them out.
ISTP's have an unspoken reason to be on the move (SE). INTP's have an unspoken reason to not be moving, the possibilities are endless! NE any reason is good for me, I'm not your big bad Bose Man speakers are digitally program to know what you want before you say anything!
Um, are we discussing both healthy and unhealthy INTPs/ISTPs here? Why does it sound like some of the examples being given are some that have jumped their stack?
Because That's exactly what happened. It's just that OP refuses to recognize that because they don't want to define healthy or unhealthy. They only want to categorize what they're seeing.
I gather gather gather facts but dump them as soon as I figure out what pattern they work in. Most facts just get lost with all short-term memory, except the few keystone ones. But do I gather gather gather? definitely. I just don't save. I have no idea what that means about my functional system, but it is definitely my life. details plug into T to make N patterns and then, like wrapping paper on gifts, get discarded. Don't ask me to defend my N patterns using real facts. Just give me facts as examples and I will tell you the pattern they fit. All facts fit a pattern, pretty much. Just a matter of which pattern. The FUN facts are the ones which do not fit a pattern yet. They are a puzzle to solve (yay!). Oh, and sorry, I already forgot your name, but I will never forget YOU.
What's that line from, 'Just Cause'? . . "But don't my lies tell just much about me as my truths?". . In other words; it is usually a person's failings that tells us the most about them
Is it possible to not favour one perceiver function over the other? Because I find that my Ne and Si make for a pretty good team. They're both pretty good at what they do and when one fails, the other can just pick it back up. It's really my Fe that gets in the way of things.
first you say that intp run back to organizing Si as a safe function AND THEN you say that this makes them frustrated, that it's their demon! I don't get that
Two different INTPs. A Jumper INTP (Ti/Si saviors) will run to Si as a safe function to organize. A "stock" INTP (Ti/Ne saviors) will consider Si a "demon" and organizing will frustrate them. I hope this helps 😄.
I'm confused with this. It seems like I prefer to organize both sensory and abstract informations. But I like organizing abstract informations and hate having to organize the sensory department. I really like Ni stuff. ISTP jumper? INTP?
are there any INTP stat can help me? I have a friend who I believe is an INTP and he's planning his own suicide. He feels that life has no meaning and he's kind of depressed but it's more of an intellectual nihilism that he has versus an emotional depression. Plus he gets really angry when people try to influence his thinking and feeling so I'm at a loss as to how to help him.
dos prompt honestly, im an intp, and my suicidal wantings pertains to the fear of acknowledging the limits of my brain power.. I cherish my brain a lot above everything and cannot stand the thought of being self aware that I'm not that smart. Maybe thats what hes going through too?
get them to be active, they might evolve to ISTP with actual experience and knowledge to draw from, rather than just lost in the sauce of their own limitations which were actually set by society limiting their access to informative resources.
Hello brother, INTP here. I have been going through a existential crisis in the last couple of years, so I know very well how this nihilism feels and how poisonous it can really be. I would love to talk to your friend, I believe I can help him. Please send me a private message and we can talk more in depth about it, but basically this is what I think: My Experience with nihilism came from not understanding my goal in life, what mission do I have to accomplish in this world and for what purpose. It also came from questioning if there is in fact, such a thing as being able to really "know" something. The cure for all that ? Two things: For the problem with my objective, I had to really dig deep into my soul for months to realize that what I really felt like it was my lifes purpose is to do Philosophy and to show people a pathway to truth and enlightment. Philosophy is the search for truth, and it also is the cure for the second problem, wich says if there is really something we can know for sure. We INTPs are truth seekers, and if we do not activelly engage in this activity, we get depressed. I would tell your friend to engage with himself, and look for his deepest motivations, wich I believe this Nihilism is already a sign, and I also believe he will come to a similar conclusion that I came, namelly: WE HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH, TILL THE DAY WE DIE, OR WE ARE USELESS IN THIS WORLD. Sorry for my not so good english. Cheers.
Here's a test I did on myself (ESTP). Take a walk in an interesting place you are not familiar with. Has to be a new place, because a familiar place will probably get you dropping into Ti because a it will not be stimulating enough. Observe and turn off the internal chatter. When you look at building say, what strikes you? Do you perceive it shape, mass, color, shadows? Or do you sense other things, like it's function, who works there, what do they do, etc? What you are doing here is trying to discern is if your perception is mainly photographic or impressionistic, and how consistently it stays that way. Try to think up other experiments to test this. Have fun with it.
Pretty sure "Jumper" = "Looper." I see why they're emphasizing that. One could easily mistake one type for another. Missing that they may just be stuck "in the loop." But, there's still variables to factor in like: "grip," "mirroring," & "shadowing."
okay sir thank you for giving your view ... God bless you and your family ..... can I ask more specifically ..? in general it is true that ISTPs can be very skilled at mastering any skilled trade ... but in this case .. in your opinion .. which of these 2 jobs is the most permanent for ISTP if one is required to choose one of them .... ??? electrician or mechanic ...? give me the answer and the logical reason sir ... thank you again ... god takes care of you and your family ...
Speaking as based upon my insights these details has much complicate the overall understandings in your scientific failures, It doesn't comprehended very well and it just apprehended often more on stereotypically, I'm not doing to undermine those entire concepts and I needed expressing to appreciates a correct one, and we need a full-length discussions out from the bearing catastrophic run-in-the-mill subordinates, thus it's sounds you lacking formal speeech either.
You can change what you think your type is. For example, two years ago, tests would tell me I was an infp. Later, I learned the functions, and figured I was an infj - I was able to point out infj functions in myself. Then recently, I realized I was kinda wrong about how I understood the functions, and now I believe I'm actually an isfp. I never really changed my nature, but how I understand myself and the cognitive functions.
Mystery223Guy Hi, and thanks for asking. I'm an INTJ. I thought if I'd act like an ESTP it'll be great for social events like partying. Maybe not all the time like an ESTP but only for social situations
This isn't speed typing. This system goes much deeper than anything else out there I've seen pertaining to type; if you think this is about speed-typing, you haven't seen the under-pinning mechanics at play. Which is cool - I'm not trying to condemn you or anything! I would definitely look in to this system further, though.
INTP: "The unexamined life is not worth living."
ISTP: "The unlived life is not worth examining."
2:35 you can skip to there for the explanation
Outline you rock.
That's the most Ti thing I've ever seen
@Ali Malik Toucheeeee
You’re a lifesaver bud
thank you
The more I learn about mbti the more I'm confused about whether I'm Intj, intp, istj, or istp.
I feel this. Sounds like this video is talking about both unhealthy and healthy INTPS/ISTPS which is confusing af.
I'm stuck between ISTJ, ISFP, ISTP, INFP, INTP, INTJ, ENFP, and ENTP
Me too
Me too
Yeah. I've settled on intp.
I'm stuck in istp, I tried all tests and they all say the same
still I can't figure out whether I'm an INTP or ISTP and it bugs me a lot. I know i shouldn't care but there's this awful need of validation
just have fun with it lol when you learn more about mbti you begin to figure out how to emulate pretty much anytype
Learning more about the differences between Ne-Si and Se-Ni would help. Those perceiving axis are the difference between an INTP and ISTP.
Are you more Se or Ne? Ni and Si aren't relevant. My Si and Ni are like equal. Function stacks are bullshit.
yeah they can be. however i dont think they are supposed to determine ones strength with the functions but rather the priority in which we place the functions, which incidentally often times correlates with proficiency in their usage but this isnt always the case.
You're probably an INTP. But don't go by me. Do more research into cognitive functions and see if the order of the istp or intp functions fits better. Also look up the negatives of each type, that helped me.
I know that I’m just wasting my time learning about the MBTI but it's so interesting I can’t stop searching
same
I just can't get it, all this stuff seems so vague and precise at the same time that I absolutely can't relate to it
I’m an INTP and my wife is an ISTP. This has been interesting. Now I’ll have to take note of which kind of ISTP she seems to be.
Very helpful. I'd been borderline distrustful of MBTI, but knowing that Ne is a demon to the INTP makes everything seem like it could finally fit together. I do, quite automatically, use my Ne a lot, but the process of it feels very turbulent, unsettling and, sometimes, even distracting. It's not until I can narrow down the options and envision them coming together with my Ti logical framewok that I actually feel at peace, and even then, only until some future situation arises which might shake this structure, rendering me extremely uneasy until I'm done going over the painful process of taking everything apart and reconsidering.
hold on. didn't he say Si was the demon of an intp? the second function should not be a demon, it should be balancing, the thing that secures the type no? :/
Hi, as an INTP with saviour Ne I have some questions for you. where can we talk ??
@@purplemind93 normally. But you can be a jumper who is bothered by their savior and has befriended their demon
I've been typing this one person as an istp forever and this made me think that they might actually be an intp because they always wanna be right and if not they blame the info gathering as you said lol
I'd like video about INTP vs INFP.
Bruhhhhhhh F
Explains quite a bit, actually.
I do tend to blow things off like the whole: "Meh, I have all the information it's fine." In reality? It's not fine. Mostly because there's something I missed and I have repercussions later.
It seems like I am either a stock INTP or a Jumper ISTP. I am poor with recalling minor details, I tend to remember concepts easier but also seem to "just know" things . I am leaning more towards stock INTP but I don't fit the stereotypical "nerd profile" a lot of these other websites allude to.
intuit is more space cadet stuff like astrology than actual nerd stuff like aeronautical engineering. if you read comic books rather than advanced electrical schematics, you're InTP for sure.
or really long bad anime, like one piece, or dragon ball, probably intp if you like those ones. =)
ATF2099 this made me chuckle. What did you mean by this.. I dont know if "bad" was needed as theyre just subjective taste if people like mainstream ones. Idk but ok anyway, did you mean INTP can withstand long episodes of anime than ISTP? Are you trying to imply something like it depends on attention span and open mindedness to watch something as long as One Piece?
Im still on the fence of either Im an INTP or ISTP myself and a huge weeb that isnt really outdoor-sy. Im too picky in things and not that stereotypically interested enough to read about things to be INTP or Im not too active enough to enjoy physical stimulation that much. I like the thrill and such but no so much as I find some physical activities pretty boring. Im kinda leaning in ISTP but i dont fit the stereotype like I dont fit with the INTP
@@ATF2099 Well.... I am an INTP but I don't really like to watch long anime.
i’m confused because each time i take a test, i get istp, but on the other tests i get intp
My quandary is ISTP or INTJ. INTJ is what I get most often but have been typed as ISTP. I definitely use NI way more than SE. I also think I use TE instead of TI as Jung laid them out.
Then intj fits you more i think
could be an istj
ISTP's have an unspoken reason to be on the move (SE). INTP's have an unspoken reason to not be moving, the possibilities are endless! NE any reason is good for me, I'm not your big bad Bose Man speakers are digitally program to know what you want before you say anything!
Can you help me...???. I am confused whether I am an intp / istp person please give me a test in the form of questions...
I couldn't fin out whether I"m an ISTP or INTP and now I think I'm an ISTP. One thing I don't understand Ne. What is that exactly?
@Ruud Lexis God it hit me so hard any doubt inside me just vanished
So could Descartes be an ISTP jumper? I've always been kind of suspicious about him being types an INTP.
Within the Jungian system, he would be an IT(N) Ti/Ni.
Um, are we discussing both healthy and unhealthy INTPs/ISTPs here? Why does it sound like some of the examples being given are some that have jumped their stack?
Because That's exactly what happened. It's just that OP refuses to recognize that because they don't want to define healthy or unhealthy. They only want to categorize what they're seeing.
It's the difference between Ti and Te. Te is organizing what they see in the external world without internally understanding WHY they're like that.
@@NathanaelNaused Gotcha, thank you
I gather gather gather facts but dump them as soon as I figure out what pattern they work in. Most facts just get lost with all short-term memory, except the few keystone ones. But do I gather gather gather? definitely. I just don't save. I have no idea what that means about my functional system, but it is definitely my life. details plug into T to make N patterns and then, like wrapping paper on gifts, get discarded. Don't ask me to defend my N patterns using real facts. Just give me facts as examples and I will tell you the pattern they fit. All facts fit a pattern, pretty much. Just a matter of which pattern. The FUN facts are the ones which do not fit a pattern yet. They are a puzzle to solve (yay!). Oh, and sorry, I already forgot your name, but I will never forget YOU.
What's that line from, 'Just Cause'? . . "But don't my lies tell just much about me as my truths?". . In other words; it is usually a person's failings that tells us the most about them
If those who skip their (traditionally) second function are called "Jumpers"... does that make those who don't jump "Steppers"? "Hoppers"?
Is it possible to not favour one perceiver function over the other? Because I find that my Ne and Si make for a pretty good team. They're both pretty good at what they do and when one fails, the other can just pick it back up. It's really my Fe that gets in the way of things.
yeah of course a standard double observer usually has/develops a balance between their perceiving axis
Omg you’re so funny😂😂😂 but informative too!!
According to how you described your wife, why isn't she the one explaining this? This was so confusing
Yeah I been studying mbti for 10 years, this is great because I was already good at distinguishing function
first you say that intp run back to organizing Si as a safe function AND THEN you say that this makes them frustrated, that it's their demon! I don't get that
Two different INTPs. A Jumper INTP (Ti/Si saviors) will run to Si as a safe function to organize. A "stock" INTP (Ti/Ne saviors) will consider Si a "demon" and organizing will frustrate them. I hope this helps 😄.
I want that image that's on screen about 0:51 where is it from?? 😮
I'd like a video about ISTP vs INFP
that would be really different considering both types have opposite functions and order
lmao nowhere near similar, blashpemy
INTP is only internally organized
hmm i often times feel the opposite.. could this mean I would prefer Te instead? i think that my organization in my mind can be situational
This INTP ain't :/
I'm confused with this. It seems like I prefer to organize both sensory and abstract informations. But I like organizing abstract informations and hate having to organize the sensory department. I really like Ni stuff. ISTP jumper? INTP?
i feel like im the same but with masc se so uh TI-NI - CSPB MF but thats a guess
are there any INTP stat can help me? I have a friend who I believe is an INTP and he's planning his own suicide. He feels that life has no meaning and he's kind of depressed but it's more of an intellectual nihilism that he has versus an emotional depression. Plus he gets really angry when people try to influence his thinking and feeling so I'm at a loss as to how to help him.
dos prompt honestly, im an intp, and my suicidal wantings pertains to the fear of acknowledging the limits of my brain power.. I cherish my brain a lot above everything and cannot stand the thought of being self aware that I'm not that smart. Maybe thats what hes going through too?
get them to be active, they might evolve to ISTP with actual experience and knowledge to draw from, rather than just lost in the sauce of their own limitations which were actually set by society limiting their access to informative resources.
Hello brother, INTP here. I have been going through a existential crisis in the last couple of years, so I know very well how this nihilism feels and how poisonous it can really be. I would love to talk to your friend, I believe I can help him. Please send me a private message and we can talk more in depth about it, but basically this is what I think:
My Experience with nihilism came from not understanding my goal in life, what mission do I have to accomplish in this world and for what purpose. It also came from questioning if there is in fact, such a thing as being able to really "know" something. The cure for all that ? Two things: For the problem with my objective, I had to really dig deep into my soul for months to realize that what I really felt like it was my lifes purpose is to do Philosophy and to show people a pathway to truth and enlightment. Philosophy is the search for truth, and it also is the cure for the second problem, wich says if there is really something we can know for sure. We INTPs are truth seekers, and if we do not activelly engage in this activity, we get depressed. I would tell your friend to engage with himself, and look for his deepest motivations, wich I believe this Nihilism is already a sign, and I also believe he will come to a similar conclusion that I came, namelly: WE HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH, TILL THE DAY WE DIE, OR WE ARE USELESS IN THIS WORLD.
Sorry for my not so good english.
Cheers.
Me ISTP him INTP. I'm talking about the here And now and he is like wondering about things that could possibly be.
Still can’t figure out id I’m entp vs estp. Can you do a vid on that???
he has one here: ua-cam.com/video/XJ6tjJFNYkA/v-deo.html
Here's a test I did on myself (ESTP). Take a walk in an interesting place you are not familiar with. Has to be a new place, because a familiar place will probably get you dropping into Ti because a it will not be stimulating enough.
Observe and turn off the internal chatter. When you look at building say, what strikes you? Do you perceive it shape, mass, color, shadows? Or do you sense other things, like it's function, who works there, what do they do, etc?
What you are doing here is trying to discern is if your perception is mainly photographic or impressionistic, and how consistently it stays that way. Try to think up other experiments to test this. Have fun with it.
Lol seems like i am atm right between the two results u two got differently for my own adjustment xd
Intj vs Istj?
im a fucking ISTP and im having the hardest fucking time with this ti,se etc bullshit i dont get it
Pretty sure "Jumper" = "Looper."
I see why they're emphasizing that. One could easily mistake one type for another. Missing that they may just be stuck "in the loop." But, there's still variables to factor in like: "grip," "mirroring," & "shadowing."
Something that I wanted for a brief time.
i love this
okay sir thank you for giving your view ... God bless you and your family ..... can I ask more specifically ..? in general it is true that ISTPs can be very skilled at mastering any skilled trade ... but in this case .. in your opinion .. which of these 2 jobs is the most permanent for ISTP if one is required to choose one of them .... ??? electrician or mechanic ...? give me the answer and the logical reason sir ... thank you again ... god takes care of you and your family ...
Keen for INFJ vs INTJ
Yes, I would love this video!
THIS SOUNDS SUPERSMART BUT I CAN'T LEARN WHEN YOU TALK SO FAST. take it slow for all the people who's mother language aren't english okey? thank you
There's an option in youtube to make the video go slower. It could help you!
Change the playback speed like the first comment already said
What ideal trade for istp .?
Carpentry
Mechanic
Electrician
..?
What is your opinion..?
Speaking as based upon my insights these details has much complicate the overall understandings in your scientific failures,
It doesn't comprehended very well and it just apprehended often more on stereotypically,
I'm not doing to undermine those entire concepts and I needed expressing to appreciates a correct one, and we need a full-length discussions out from the bearing catastrophic run-in-the-mill subordinates, thus it's sounds you lacking formal speeech either.
Can I change my type?
You can change what you think your type is.
For example, two years ago, tests would tell me I was an infp. Later, I learned the functions, and figured I was an infj - I was able to point out infj functions in myself. Then recently, I realized I was kinda wrong about how I understood the functions, and now I believe I'm actually an isfp.
I never really changed my nature, but how I understand myself and the cognitive functions.
Why would you want to change your type, what would you change it to, why that type, and what is your current type?
yes.
Mozilla Firefox can you please tell me why?
Mystery223Guy Hi, and thanks for asking. I'm an INTJ. I thought if I'd act like an ESTP it'll be great for social events like partying. Maybe not all the time like an ESTP but only for social situations
2:34 😂😂😂😂😂
Great! FACEREVEAL!
face reveal has been on their website all this time too.
www.objectivepersonality.com/contact scroll to bottom
looks like a con man
@james freeman, maybe he is and were all idiots :/
What does organizing the abstract mean?
Placing their thoughts together internally into categories.
Could you do a video comparing MBTI to Socionics?
Can an INTP use Ni?
Yes, actually
But it doesnt comes naturally to you
It is a strongest shadow function for INxP
@@aonaohafa Te is lmfao what
Ti-Ni?
Whatever you’re saying lmaoo
mgtow
You have an interesting system
Typing mostly takes time. Just my opinion, but speed typing isn't a good idea. Love his contribution, but Keirsey's system out shines.
This isn't speed typing. This system goes much deeper than anything else out there I've seen pertaining to type; if you think this is about speed-typing, you haven't seen the under-pinning mechanics at play. Which is cool - I'm not trying to condemn you or anything! I would definitely look in to this system further, though.
Uh... Haven't seen Keirsey but Dave went out of hiding with 512 types
@potato psoas Keirsey admits that he relies on behaviorism, not psychoanalysis. However, I agree with you.
@@faytwind3913 I feel like the best system should cross reference carl jung, cognitive science, and neuroscience.