Regarding the fairness - imagine you won accolades for your writing at your previous job and were hired at a new job because of it. And it comes out that you just used AI to write everything and encouraged others to do the same (despite any misgivings they may have). Your new employer had a materially misrepresented picture of who you were as a writer, and are fully justified (morally speaking - legally they can can you anytime they want as long as terms of contract are fulfilled) in letting you go.
So you are correct only if you believe that drones make or break a team....Herdman had a lot more to offer than that...and his teams were winners. We just don't like winning....face it CBC and Can media don't understand sports and can only stir up these little fusses and we have to buy in with holier than thou motto .."we lose but we didnt cheat" and we orchestrate witch hunts to make our national conscience feel easy.
If you're re saying that Herdman only had success with our national teams is because of drones then you are 1000% wrong. We don't like him because he was successful. We have to tear him down because we prefer hand wringing to winning.
@@IngridKaur No, I'm saying he cheated, is being dishonest about his cheating, and created a culture of cheating. It doesn't matter whether or not he would have been successful without drones.
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 the replied here has had the same stance to your comment and to mine as well so at least she(?) is consistent and also a lost cause.
If its true, it will be the right move for Toronto FC. That marriage didn’t work out. There are other head coaching candidates who provide a much better fit. I would try and hire someone like Roberto De Mateo.
As the focus tightens on Herdman and it appears as though he's the guilty party more and more, it saddens me that this is the case. Herdman brought both the CMNT and CWNT out of the doldrums. You don't do that through flying drones - whether or not it's ethical or moral is beside the point. It's very evident at the national level he's an excellent coach. I think his season at TFC was hamstrung by abysmal decisions made by previous management who went out and paid ridiculous sums for players that clearly weren't worth it. He was completely hog-tied in terms of the budget he was given in order to bring about the monumental shift in culture we're used to seeing Herdman doing at the national team level. He had to work with what he was given and didn't have pools of players to draw upon like he did at the national teams he coached. If x player isn't performing at the highest of levels for CMNT, someone was always in the wings waiting to replace them. That's not so much the case with a pro (especially MLS with their salary structure) team. You've got an academy squad in place to replace injured players, but they're young and inexperienced. I have a great deal of respect for Herman as a team motivator and for what he did for our national teams and their success. It's just an absolute travesty that it sounds like it's going to be blackened by something that in my opinion, has maybe only a 5% advantage in a game. There will always be an asterisk beside his name. To put it in a baseball analogy, he's going to be labelled as a Pete Rose.
How do we know he wasn't using drones when he was with both national teams. And he only succeeded with the use of drones. And his lack of any success in MLS was due to not using drones. #herdmanout
On so many levels he deserves this in terms of finally being found out and paying the price. The unfortunate part is all the people paying the price as a result-but that’s one of his levels….letting others take the fall. Ultimately he is not a leader of people, on or off the field.
Except when he brought the women's team to medal at the Olympics and his men dominated the CONCACAF and payed at World Cup in the first time since forever. Canadians just hate success.
Okay great. But it matters how you got there. How you treat people who helped you get there and are ‘bystanders’ in your actions. And how they are impacted by your lack of values and principles. Does the quality of a person negate the results of what they achieved? I feel it does. But I’m an American and most of my country just massively let the world down so apologies for that one.
@@ericerf6837 A more mature view of issues is to see benefits and costs. A Trump America has benefits that you don't acknowledge and a witch hunt in a sporting organisation is as Canadian as sending huge contingents year after year to the Olympic games with no medals so that the kids could have fun. Measure the depth of the crime before chopping off the head...drone issues are not big issues and the advantage that Herdman brought to the Canadian National teams was excitement, confidence and well coached athletes. Drone shmone.
Admittedly my mistake in bringing politics into it but as a side note-if you think his path thus far has been exemplary then I’m talking to a brick wall. Please don’t refer to maturity after each of his cabinet appointments. Not benefits to America, only costs. As to Herdman, I’ll only say one last time it is not only the end result but the path you took to get here and HIS is paved with deceit, denial and shameful repercussions on other people. He needs to pay the price for his actions. That is tiny in comparison to the price the world will pay for the faults of a con man. As for the Canadian men’s team, at least Jesse had the strength to admit it was still going on but that he put a stop to it and would not put the results to use-according to a CBS story I read. Lastly-‘so kids could have fun’ comment….do you think it was fun for the women’s team to deal with the aftermath of Bev and John’s program of cheating? I don’t.
With respect to Canada soccer suspending Herdman, just food for thought but TFC pay 1/3 of the men’s head coach’s salary! That might play a role!!
Four months of being chased. He kept saying he was willing to co-operate but he didn't. John has to go !
Thanks for highlighting the culture issue, Sharms.
For Herdman the noose is tightening. For Jon Birdman, no noose is good news
Regarding the fairness - imagine you won accolades for your writing at your previous job and were hired at a new job because of it.
And it comes out that you just used AI to write everything and encouraged others to do the same (despite any misgivings they may have). Your new employer had a materially misrepresented picture of who you were as a writer, and are fully justified (morally speaking - legally they can can you anytime they want as long as terms of contract are fulfilled) in letting you go.
So you are correct only if you believe that drones make or break a team....Herdman had a lot more to offer than that...and his teams were winners. We just don't like winning....face it CBC and Can media don't understand sports and can only stir up these little fusses and we have to buy in with holier than thou motto .."we lose but we didnt cheat" and we orchestrate witch hunts to make our national conscience feel easy.
If you're re saying that Herdman only had success with our national teams is because of drones then you are 1000% wrong. We don't like him because he was successful. We have to tear him down because we prefer hand wringing to winning.
@@IngridKaur No, I'm saying he cheated, is being dishonest about his cheating, and created a culture of cheating.
It doesn't matter whether or not he would have been successful without drones.
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 the replied here has had the same stance to your comment and to mine as well so at least she(?) is consistent and also a lost cause.
There’s a big game tomorrow night. Why are we not making this the main discussion point. Move on from the drone snooze
You might as well get rid of him and clean house. I don’t think he’s a good mls manager. You lied your fired regardless if using drones is ethicsl
If its true, it will be the right move for Toronto FC. That marriage didn’t work out. There are other head coaching candidates who provide a much better fit. I would try and hire someone like Roberto De Mateo.
Did she just Craig "Forest"?
what drivel
Terrible news. Herdman deserves to stay
Cheaters need to go. The guy that hired him was fired clean house and get rid of Herdman.
As the focus tightens on Herdman and it appears as though he's the guilty party more and more, it saddens me that this is the case. Herdman brought both the CMNT and CWNT out of the doldrums. You don't do that through flying drones - whether or not it's ethical or moral is beside the point.
It's very evident at the national level he's an excellent coach. I think his season at TFC was hamstrung by abysmal decisions made by previous management who went out and paid ridiculous sums for players that clearly weren't worth it. He was completely hog-tied in terms of the budget he was given in order to bring about the monumental shift in culture we're used to seeing Herdman doing at the national team level. He had to work with what he was given and didn't have pools of players to draw upon like he did at the national teams he coached. If x player isn't performing at the highest of levels for CMNT, someone was always in the wings waiting to replace them. That's not so much the case with a pro (especially MLS with their salary structure) team. You've got an academy squad in place to replace injured players, but they're young and inexperienced.
I have a great deal of respect for Herman as a team motivator and for what he did for our national teams and their success. It's just an absolute travesty that it sounds like it's going to be blackened by something that in my opinion, has maybe only a 5% advantage in a game. There will always be an asterisk beside his name. To put it in a baseball analogy, he's going to be labelled as a Pete Rose.
How do we know he wasn't using drones when he was with both national teams. And he only succeeded with the use of drones. And his lack of any success in MLS was due to not using drones. #herdmanout
On so many levels he deserves this in terms of finally being found out and paying the price. The unfortunate part is all the people paying the price as a result-but that’s one of his levels….letting others take the fall. Ultimately he is not a leader of people, on or off the field.
Except when he brought the women's team to medal at the Olympics and his men dominated the CONCACAF and payed at World Cup in the first time since forever. Canadians just hate success.
Okay great. But it matters how you got there. How you treat people who helped you get there and are ‘bystanders’ in your actions. And how they are impacted by your lack of values and principles. Does the quality of a person negate the results of what they achieved? I feel it does. But I’m an American and most of my country just massively let the world down so apologies for that one.
@@ericerf6837 A more mature view of issues is to see benefits and costs. A Trump America has benefits that you don't acknowledge and a witch hunt in a sporting organisation is as Canadian as sending huge contingents year after year to the Olympic games with no medals so that the kids could have fun. Measure the depth of the crime before chopping off the head...drone issues are not big issues and the advantage that Herdman brought to the Canadian National teams was excitement, confidence and well coached athletes. Drone shmone.
Admittedly my mistake in bringing politics into it but as a side note-if you think his path thus far has been exemplary then I’m talking to a brick wall. Please don’t refer to maturity after each of his cabinet appointments. Not benefits to America, only costs.
As to Herdman, I’ll only say one last time it is not only the end result but the path you took to get here and HIS is paved with deceit, denial and shameful repercussions on other people. He needs to pay the price for his actions. That is tiny in comparison to the price the world will pay for the faults of a con man.
As for the Canadian men’s team, at least Jesse had the strength to admit it was still going on but that he put a stop to it and would not put the results to use-according to a CBS story I read.
Lastly-‘so kids could have fun’ comment….do you think it was fun for the women’s team to deal with the aftermath of Bev and John’s program of cheating? I don’t.