The cycle: ->Tommy plays new game -> is bad because he is a beginner -> complains about being bad -> says it’s the games fault and that it’s unfair -> stops playing the game before finishing it and starts playing hoi4 -> gets bored of playing hoi4 and wants to try something new Repeat.
Dont forget the actual second step, he always says the new game is great before complaining "this is so cool, this game is so good" "this game sucks its not my fault, game bad"
@@Jeffthecreepyastafan Remove the https at the begining when posting the link so youtube don't auto delete it people will have to copy and paste but that's fine
The Shogunate himself!!! All my japanese history knowledge comes from your amazing vids! And yes the Honma (and the Chosokabe) always naval invade, it gets to a point where I don't know who is worse, them or the Ikko Ikki
Bro, the Date are like the only clan where you could run into something as annoying as dealing with the Honma, but I guess it was obvious he'd choose them considering their lore and bonuses. Maybe someone could convince him to play the Shimazu instead, at least while he's learning that'd be much more fun to play and watch.
@@herrdoctor2895 For experienced players yes, but for a new player to Shogun, it's best to go with Chosokabe, Shimazu or Date as they're relatively out of the way of central Japan where you'll have many neighbours
I had played Shogun 2 for like 600 hours and others total war games a lot more, but Shogun 2 has something that makes me always play again, and again with another faction. You really need to give it another try, all the problems that you face if giving enough time of play like hoi4. Will be simple problems that you can avoid or live with them, depending on you. And having a lot of fun playing and resolving those problems and challenges of the game. For my part, I consider Shogun 2 and Rome 2 as the 2 best total war games. Games that I can go back and play and always having fun. Also if you put some mods, the experience is much much better.
I remember the end game mechanic that makes all factions war with you is bs. The naval battle is also bs unless you get blackship. But yeah overall solid game, Takeda was my favourite clan.
@@definitelyhuman4510 Honestly if you play the game ‘right’ the end war is the end boss and you should have prepaired for it. Its always clearly said that it would happen. Naval sucks, I agree but its very fucking easy. If not just autoresolve and have more ships.
@@HansWurst1569 that's not what I meant. I think we will at some point in the situation where all the enemy seems too easy then realm divide thing become end-game challenge. However it's just quite unrealistic and super weird especially if you maintain the good relation with your ally, wasting all the kokku, precious daughter, and possibly other stuff. Plus you can't actually proposed peaceful solution eventhough.. your daughter is in their clan like wtf, how immersive! It's just I really don't like how they treated diplomacy only as the gimmick in the early-mid game, can't be used like for anything endgame. Just imagine if the realm divide was actually clan decided to choose to side with the emperor OR you. If you want to make enemy harder then give the buff or something. The endgame would be waay more interesting, immersive and cool.
@@definitelyhuman4510 Its not realistic ill give you that but most of it makes sense from a gameplay perspective. Also the fact the whole realm declares war on you is not too far fetched from the real history behind the sengoku jidai. I get you when diplo is bad but the game is called total war. besides they've always had terrible diplo mechanics.
medieval 2 is the best it had more variety and the different army compositions due to a lot of units being nation unique forced you to play them differently but by only comparing pure gameplay shogan 2 was better
Wow tommy not building a navy and suffering the consequences what a surprise in my playthrough as the date (my current play through) I just simply blockaded their port and they never bothered me again
You know, Yari Ashigaru is the most OP unit in the game just because they have Yari Wall formation, even the No-Dachi Samurai still lose to Yari Wall formation
@@bravomike4734 well thats true but at least FoTS doesnt have food, so it might make that easier, but generally, tommy fucking sucks at strategy, he keeps making hundreds of unnecessary losses, looks like all that hoi4 didnt really help him.
But he couldve won some of those battles, its annoying but apart of the game to overcome, pretty sure that was the Honma just to the west of his territory, send one ship with a full army or two and wipe it out. Also auto resolving battles when the yellow bar is over like 60%, casualties replenish faster with higher food. I dont blame him for not understanding being a beginner, still, Date are an easy clan with the No-Dachi Samurai easily overpowering anything when you just rush several of them in.
I promise you Tommy this game gets better the more you keep playing it. Stick with it and it gets more fun. Arguably more than Warhammer with your brain turned off.
@@iancorder6133 I always remember when I "accidentally" discovered pike and shot tactics with the otomo... Always had a smaller army than my enemy, which made them come after my defensive positions (even if I was advancing on the campaign map) and they'd always get their units decimated by the muskets, followed by the Yarimazing banzai charge (with cannons destroying the rest's morale)
this is my favorite TW to date, the setting is my favorite my 5-8 years of Feudal Japanese history that I've studied doesn't help, the campaign in my opinion is, yes it simple but its satisfying, something I can't say about the new TW games (MY OPNION), but the new games aren't bad, their just not my taste, their arcady but all games that Games Workshop works on are Arcady, thats not CA's problem, though they made Troy and Three Kingdoms, but thats coz Warhammer did so well so they tried replicating it while trying to make a "historical title" and its not necessarily the same team anymore, but I do love CA they made all these amazing games so I can't complain too much...
Date was my first clan ever i played, i mean when you have a guy called "THE ONE EYED TIGER" in your clan, who wouldn't play? Of course my first campaign was shit but then it got better, and yeah Tokugawa in history are the winers who ended all wars, meanwhile in the game they die somewhere by turn 4
I've been trying for a month to beat this game on hard mode on a conquest campaign, maybe I just suck but every game by the time I've conquered like 2 neighbors some other clan has unified the rest of the country and crushes me.
The Ai in Shogun 2 just gets more buffs like in HOI4, it doesn't get better tactics. If you try to wait and build up your army, they will always outpace you. You need to take a lot early and be able to keep up with their buffs.
I've beat it on legendary a few times. It is super difficult though. You have to basically just rush early game and just spam units and take as much land as possible. If RNG isn't on your side though you can just get blindsided by an unfavorable circumstances. ie. Powerful clan with no enemies on your border so they declare war. If you can gobble up a huge chunk of land early game you're pretty much set for the rest of the game until realm divide, unless you do something idiotic.
@@arch8842 Em... Legendary just requires flanking. Even with all the buffs AI units instantly break once encircled. There are other tips but the formula was breaken down to the point that it is kinda of walk in a park. It might take some time but I wouldn't call it difficult. Some YT'bers did beat legendary with less than stellar army compositions for challenge.
@@Sanvone I'm really only referring to the difficulty of the campaign map and decision making on the campaign map. I agree about the battles though. If you understand the battle mechanics thoroughly you should pretty much never lose a match, unless you are vastly outnumbered or out-teched/out-experienced.
@@godlymoose9118 Vanilla Medieval + Kingdoms loses against Vanilla Shogun 2 + R/FotS. Even then, Shogun 2 has the better Vanilla+/Enhancement Mods over Medieval (think SS/TVB vs Darthmod/Ultimate Immersive + all the workshop tweaks) The only way medieval 2 beats Shogun is when you take into account the overhaul mods like DaC, TES, Warcraft etc etc
You have to play with darthmod and save parser among other mods. Huge unit sizes and up to 50 stack armies that play well with the ui. It makes every battle over 20,000 units and runs very well on older specs.
Hehe Tommy gets memed by the Honma, Classic Shogun 2 If you want it to End, win a Decisive Victory against Honma (Garrisons will do the trick just fine) and peace out
well for those that like long battle and durable units , this game is not for u xD units here die like flyes since the armor here is -20 it seems , but if you like fast passing fights this is you total war other will be tw warhammer and 3 kingdoms , if u like long battles and durable units theres rome 2 and medieval 2
Wow very surprising twitch chat didn't explain to him step by step everything he needs to do to be good at the game, they always seem to be on point with it but I guess they just dropped the ball this time
I watched the VOD and they kinda tried but he kept complaining and then he said he isn't going to play the game because he can't play the way he wants to and that he wants to play the way he wants to play, not the way the game is meant to be played... He wasn't using defence garrisons, wasn't even trying to fight battles manually and just kept complaining about people telling him to garrison cities and fight battles instead of autoresolving... It was kinda painful to watch, ngl... Didn't do the game justice at all. Sad.
as the guy who edited this dommy basically flamed anyone in chat who gave him advice but about 60% of the advice wasnt super good to be fair. also gabriel is pretty spot on he was just concerned about people backseat gaming essentially and wanted to play it his on way (basically just trial by fire blind which can be really fun sometimes) but this ended up with him just getting shit stomped
@@cobalt6911 Yeah like I appreciate just wanting to jump into the game and learn it as you go but Shogun is definitely not the total war game you want to jump into blind since it's probably the easiest total war game to lose quickly in
That ending though 💀
what movie is it from?
Indeed
wheres the otomo
The cycle:
->Tommy plays new game
-> is bad because he is a beginner
-> complains about being bad
-> says it’s the games fault and that it’s unfair
-> stops playing the game before finishing it and starts playing hoi4
-> gets bored of playing hoi4 and wants to try something new
Repeat.
trrue his fallout new vagas playthrough made me so mad like he barley gave it a chance i can give ya a link if you wana see that clusterfuck.
@@Jeffthecreepyastafan give liink
Dont forget the actual second step, he always says the new game is great before complaining "this is so cool, this game is so good" "this game sucks its not my fault, game bad"
@@Jeffthecreepyastafan Remove the https at the begining when posting the link so youtube don't auto delete it people will have to copy and paste but that's fine
@@serduk8293 ua-cam.com/play/PLyKqhB9gsJMyIY-mfqr52FnuMxq_IZ9K6.html
Nice to see you giving some love to Shogun 2! (And yes the Honma are always super annoying in this game lmao)
That was very weird to watch because in all of my games, Honma has never attacked me even once.
The Shogunate himself!!! All my japanese history knowledge comes from your amazing vids! And yes the Honma (and the Chosokabe) always naval invade, it gets to a point where I don't know who is worse, them or the Ikko Ikki
@@jaimegoncalves9257 haha Thanks!
Love how he keeps getting invaded at the same spot and never thinks to build an army for that region
Bro, the Date are like the only clan where you could run into something as annoying as dealing with the Honma, but I guess it was obvious he'd choose them considering their lore and bonuses. Maybe someone could convince him to play the Shimazu instead, at least while he's learning that'd be much more fun to play and watch.
Nah, play the Oda for me the easiest clan in the game
hojo for me
@@herrdoctor2895 For experienced players yes, but for a new player to Shogun, it's best to go with Chosokabe, Shimazu or Date as they're relatively out of the way of central Japan where you'll have many neighbours
I had played Shogun 2 for like 600 hours and others total war games a lot more, but Shogun 2 has something that makes me always play again, and again with another faction. You really need to give it another try, all the problems that you face if giving enough time of play like hoi4. Will be simple problems that you can avoid or live with them, depending on you. And having a lot of fun playing and resolving those problems and challenges of the game.
For my part, I consider Shogun 2 and Rome 2 as the 2 best total war games. Games that I can go back and play and always having fun. Also if you put some mods, the experience is much much better.
I remember the end game mechanic that makes all factions war with you is bs. The naval battle is also bs unless you get blackship. But yeah overall solid game, Takeda was my favourite clan.
He needs to give so many games another try. He always quits like 2/3 hours in…
@@definitelyhuman4510 Honestly if you play the game ‘right’ the end war is the end boss and you should have prepaired for it. Its always clearly said that it would happen. Naval sucks, I agree but its very fucking easy. If not just autoresolve and have more ships.
@@HansWurst1569 that's not what I meant. I think we will at some point in the situation where all the enemy seems too easy then realm divide thing become end-game challenge. However it's just quite unrealistic and super weird especially if you maintain the good relation with your ally, wasting all the kokku, precious daughter, and possibly other stuff. Plus you can't actually proposed peaceful solution eventhough.. your daughter is in their clan like wtf, how immersive! It's just I really don't like how they treated diplomacy only as the gimmick in the early-mid game, can't be used like for anything endgame. Just imagine if the realm divide was actually clan decided to choose to side with the emperor OR you. If you want to make enemy harder then give the buff or something. The endgame would be waay more interesting, immersive and cool.
@@definitelyhuman4510 Its not realistic ill give you that but most of it makes sense from a gameplay perspective. Also the fact the whole realm declares war on you is not too far fetched from the real history behind the sengoku jidai. I get you when diplo is bad but the game is called total war. besides they've always had terrible diplo mechanics.
Best historical TW to date!
YES
Rome 1 my guy
Totally
medieval 2 is the best it had more variety and the different army compositions due to a lot of units being nation unique forced you to play them differently but by only comparing pure gameplay shogan 2 was better
@@ronanwaring3408 you''re right! that one was a masterpiece as well.
Wow tommy not building a navy and suffering the consequences what a surprise in my playthrough as the date (my current play through) I just simply blockaded their port and they never bothered me again
Still better then WH3
Cope
@@Warpstoner Cope
Got tired of wh3 really fast and now im back to shogun 2
It really is though 🤣
It's one of the best ones they did so I'd imagine so
Would love to see him plays the Fall of Samurai. Real war crime simulator.
not long time ago when someone ask tommy to play shogun 2 he says : look at your phone its 2022 , now a gameplay
You know, Yari Ashigaru is the most OP unit in the game just because they have Yari Wall formation, even the No-Dachi Samurai still lose to Yari Wall formation
shogun 2 is actually a masterpiece. still in 2022 its imo top 5 if not top 3.
tommy, you gotta play some shogun 2 fall of the samurai, thats the game at its peak, and ngl its the best total war saga till today.
If he isn't good at the base game he won't understand how FoTS works at all.
@@bravomike4734 I mean it’s pretty much Napoleon with better guns isn’t it
@@bravomike4734 well thats true but at least FoTS doesnt have food, so it might make that easier, but generally, tommy fucking sucks at strategy, he keeps making hundreds of unnecessary losses, looks like all that hoi4 didnt really help him.
@@bravomike4734 Imo FOTS is easier than Normal Shogun 2
but that's probably because im fucking terrible at medieval style warfare
Tommy's sarcastic pronunciation of Japanese is ironically really accurate, it cracks me up so much hahaahahaha
But he couldve won some of those battles, its annoying but apart of the game to overcome, pretty sure that was the Honma just to the west of his territory, send one ship with a full army or two and wipe it out.
Also auto resolving battles when the yellow bar is over like 60%, casualties replenish faster with higher food.
I dont blame him for not understanding being a beginner, still, Date are an easy clan with the No-Dachi Samurai easily overpowering anything when you just rush several of them in.
I promise you Tommy this game gets better the more you keep playing it. Stick with it and it gets more fun. Arguably more than Warhammer with your brain turned off.
Also it’s better than Warhammer imo
@@iancorder6133 This is what warhammer should've been, balancing between realism and "arcade" style. The guns in shogun 2 is just enjoyable to use! :3
@@HackerArmy03 Realistic too. Units actually have to reload and only the front line can shoot.
@@iancorder6133 I always remember when I "accidentally" discovered pike and shot tactics with the otomo... Always had a smaller army than my enemy, which made them come after my defensive positions (even if I was advancing on the campaign map) and they'd always get their units decimated by the muskets, followed by the Yarimazing banzai charge (with cannons destroying the rest's morale)
Isnt there that clip of him dissing how old Shogun was and he wouldn't play it lol
he "played" it as a sub goal.... Not like wanted to. As you see, he barely played it.
Why are my provinces getting captured by the enemy?
Also Tommy: *Doesn't make garrisons*
Date was my first campaign win. Their no dachi samurai are incredible.
Probably my favorite TW game. I love the art style and the siege battles are so much fun
"Time to inspire some bitches" - Sensei Tommy
this is my favorite TW to date, the setting is my favorite my 5-8 years of Feudal Japanese history that I've studied doesn't help, the campaign in my opinion is, yes it simple but its satisfying, something I can't say about the new TW games (MY OPNION), but the new games aren't bad, their just not my taste, their arcady but all games that Games Workshop works on are Arcady, thats not CA's problem, though they made Troy and Three Kingdoms, but thats coz Warhammer did so well so they tried replicating it while trying to make a "historical title" and its not necessarily the same team anymore, but I do love CA they made all these amazing games so I can't complain too much...
I’m still playing this game today and still having so much fun
been wating for this my whole life
i want Joey from Trash Taste to react to the "Nihongo" Dommy speaks in the intro. Or Dogen.
This game aged well. Campaign map sometimes looks better than 3k.
Date was my first clan ever i played, i mean when you have a guy called "THE ONE EYED TIGER" in your clan, who wouldn't play? Of course my first campaign was shit but then it got better, and yeah Tokugawa in history are the winers who ended all wars, meanwhile in the game they die somewhere by turn 4
Stob being a noob Tommy
He should start with Oda or Shimazu. Both easy clans.
Date is the most annoying clan to start as. Takes to many turns to get anywhere
I'm shocked he played date first. Its one of the most painful campaigns ever.
Should play Oda, their gameplay style and start are much more palatable for newcomers.
Shogun 2 is peak total war
more shogun 2 bruh plssssss
Can wait to see fall of samurai.
Dude you could have just fought out that last siege defence and won pretty easily lol
i cant blame him if he doesn't finish the game, i rarely finish them in total war games
I've been trying for a month to beat this game on hard mode on a conquest campaign, maybe I just suck but every game by the time I've conquered like 2 neighbors some other clan has unified the rest of the country and crushes me.
Rushing enemies in first turns usually works wonders because AI first spends on structures and just then on army.
The Ai in Shogun 2 just gets more buffs like in HOI4, it doesn't get better tactics. If you try to wait and build up your army, they will always outpace you. You need to take a lot early and be able to keep up with their buffs.
I've beat it on legendary a few times. It is super difficult though. You have to basically just rush early game and just spam units and take as much land as possible. If RNG isn't on your side though you can just get blindsided by an unfavorable circumstances. ie. Powerful clan with no enemies on your border so they declare war. If you can gobble up a huge chunk of land early game you're pretty much set for the rest of the game until realm divide, unless you do something idiotic.
@@arch8842 Em... Legendary just requires flanking. Even with all the buffs AI units instantly break once encircled. There are other tips but the formula was breaken down to the point that it is kinda of walk in a park. It might take some time but I wouldn't call it difficult. Some YT'bers did beat legendary with less than stellar army compositions for challenge.
@@Sanvone I'm really only referring to the difficulty of the campaign map and decision making on the campaign map. I agree about the battles though. If you understand the battle mechanics thoroughly you should pretty much never lose a match, unless you are vastly outnumbered or out-teched/out-experienced.
Still the best total war game ever made bite me
desperately need shogun 3 fuck empire
Medieval 2 would like a word with you
@@godlymoose9118 Not unless you include mods
@@godlymoose9118 Vanilla Medieval + Kingdoms loses against Vanilla Shogun 2 + R/FotS. Even then, Shogun 2 has the better Vanilla+/Enhancement Mods over Medieval (think SS/TVB vs Darthmod/Ultimate Immersive + all the workshop tweaks)
The only way medieval 2 beats Shogun is when you take into account the overhaul mods like DaC, TES, Warcraft etc etc
why are you not voice acting FOR THIS game
He bought ever clan dlc except otomo 😭😭😭
Still better then TW Pharos
You have to play with darthmod and save parser among other mods.
Huge unit sizes and up to 50 stack armies that play well with the ui.
It makes every battle over 20,000 units and runs very well on older specs.
SHOGUN TOMMY! BEST JAPANESE DIVISION!
never attack the island clan :)))
Why you playing on east mode?
Hehe Tommy gets memed by the Honma, Classic Shogun 2
If you want it to End, win a Decisive Victory against Honma (Garrisons will do the trick just fine) and peace out
well for those that like long battle and durable units , this game is not for u xD units here die like flyes since the armor here is -20 it seems , but if you like fast passing fights this is you total war other will be tw warhammer and 3 kingdoms , if u like long battles and durable units theres rome 2 and medieval 2
They need to fix multiplayer
Wow very surprising twitch chat didn't explain to him step by step everything he needs to do to be good at the game, they always seem to be on point with it but I guess they just dropped the ball this time
I watched the VOD and they kinda tried but he kept complaining and then he said he isn't going to play the game because he can't play the way he wants to and that he wants to play the way he wants to play, not the way the game is meant to be played... He wasn't using defence garrisons, wasn't even trying to fight battles manually and just kept complaining about people telling him to garrison cities and fight battles instead of autoresolving... It was kinda painful to watch, ngl... Didn't do the game justice at all. Sad.
it's not really chat's responsibility to teach what and how to do it.
as the guy who edited this dommy basically flamed anyone in chat who gave him advice but about 60% of the advice wasnt super good to be fair. also gabriel is pretty spot on he was just concerned about people backseat gaming essentially and wanted to play it his on way (basically just trial by fire blind which can be really fun sometimes) but this ended up with him just getting shit stomped
@@cobalt6911 Yeah like I appreciate just wanting to jump into the game and learn it as you go but Shogun is definitely not the total war game you want to jump into blind since it's probably the easiest total war game to lose quickly in
Best Total war game; not because of the weeb theme; but the way everything ended up; downside Ai, but eh thats every Total War game.
YES!
i see you had to deal with the sado, annoying clan,
thre no tsunaimis in ugo, only the sadonamis
Tommy you should try rome 2 its great
This is the most racist TommyKay I've ever seen lol.
2011 год 🎋
skill issue KEKW
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Dreadful content
All I remember from this game is the rampant ai cheating/backdooring by "allies". Unit touch each other and turn to dust. Overrated total war.
skill issue
Tommy gay, why so bad?
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