To someone who’s still trying to figure out the pourover art, this was a fantastic video. I wish more videos had more basic ratio information like this.
I got one of these as a gift for Christmas. This video has been immensely helpful in learning how to use this set and your recipe + grind settings were spot on for me. Thanks for taking the time to make and share it!
I normally don’t comment on videos, but this was so helpful. I’ve been struggling to get the flavor profile I know I can get out of my favorite light roast and this helped me get it back on track. Thanks for your knowledge!
Hi I would just like to point out that the gasket under the Stagg X has these ridges that I believe are meant for air to escape/be pushed through during brewer so a carafe/decanter with a spout may not be necessary.
great review--they are calling them anti-clog to highlight the problem that sometimes happens with the Kalita when the wet paper forms a seal with all three holes and slows drainage. It is why some people put a screen (suggested by Scott Rao) between the filter paper and the bottom of the dripper.
For me the weak link in pour over is the glass carafe, regardless of which method you use. For my Moccamaster KBGV Select I immediately pour the coffee into a 1 liter Alfi Hotello carafe. After years of using an Alfi Juwel, the Hotello was a bit of a revelation because there's no glass thermal chamber inside to break, and no rubber seal at all around the lid. The lid is about 1" high and hollow and keeps the coffee hot for over 90 minutes. I liked this so much and got so tired of feeling like I had to rush my pour over coffee drinking before it got cold that I bought another l6 liter version of the Alfi Hotello carafe and now I do the pour over coffee directly into the Hotello (setting a Kalita dripper over the hotello on the scale instead of a glass carafe). You can't do this visually, you need to use a scale, but if you have a scale it works great, and that way I can drink the pour over at my leisure without it getting too cold too fast.
Nice review. I'm interested in this and the Espro Bloom, but can't bring myself to spend over double the price on filters as good Cafec V60 papers. I'm sure that's in their business model, but overall I think they lose out on more customers/money going this way.
I just tried mine out first time today, and the brew was done in 2mins. i ground it on the ode with the dial at 3 and noticed that the drawdown was much quicker than i expected.
Great recipe and video- your suggestion of 50ml at a time definitely allows a more even extraction with this brewer in particular creating a very sweet and rounded profile- I don’t think the height of the XF offers any advantages vs the X because you would follow a similar brew method and produce the same results. Therefore I’d recommend going for the smaller Stagg X if deciding between the 2.
@@ryrymckelvey3 I brewed 30g in my Stagg X this morning. About half-hour later I ordered the Stagg XF. You could push it if you really wanted and maybe brew 36g, but I decided just to bump up to the larger brewer instead.
Wow, great recipe, thank you! I got my Stagg XF recently and I very much like the coffee from it. I love the fact that you provided grinding setting for that many grinders. Although I am a bit surprised to see 20 for Baratza Encore - I was grinding on that one with level 13. But I am very excited to try your exact recipe!
@@workshopcoffee9001 this coarser grinding and recipe works great for bigger volume ~600ml and more. But if I brew just one cup it requires finer grinding.
@@workshopcoffee9001 to bee honest, when I set 20 for Baratza, the water ran through coffee to fast and it was a bit under-extracted. But setting 18 on Bartza Encore worked best for me :)
I'm using a Niche Zero grinder. For Espresso I'm at a dial setting of 15, at a setting of 45 I'm still finding fairy slow flow on the XF (taking almost 5 minutes for all the water to drain through). Wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if I should still be grinding even coarser? Cups actually seem a bit watery despite the slow extraction, worried that will taste under extracted if I go even coarser...
I was also surprised about Baratza Encore - as I normally use 14/15 for pour overs, 18 for chemex. Here they recommend 20 - I am excited to try that out.
You guys are great. Love your content.I’d love to see a review of the Espro bloom ... I’ve been using it over the past 4 months and it has become my favourite pour over method ! Maybe in the near future ?
Excellent Video! I recently purchased The ODE Gen 2 Grinder. Which grind setting do you think would match the number 6 position on your grinder? Im awaiting the XF set as we speak.
It looks like they're using the Ode 2 in the video, but in their grinding list it does only say Fellow Ode, so it would be nice to get clarification on this. My Ode 2 has the SSP burrs as well, so I'm not sure if there is further delineation needed.
Lighting. Wearing a hat forwards means shadows would be cast on the face. Of course, one could wear no cap at all but then would need hairstyling before filming. 😉
A set of 45 filters for Stagg is 12 euros. A set of 100 V60 Hario 02 filters is 5 euros. This is a major reason i never wanted to purchase this brewer even though i love Fellow products. I really don't understand why are their filters so expensive.
It certainly would - we'd recommend fining up the grind slightly if you are. Otherwise, the Stagg [X] Pourover is specifically designed for 1-cup brewing: workshopcoffee.com/collections/hardware/products/stagg-x-pourover
Thanks for watching. V60 papers won't work due to the flat bed of the brewer, but as an alternative to the specific Stagg papers, you could try Kalita filters.
Love this video! I know this might be a weird question, but how can I tweak the ratio for the end result to taste closer to an espresso (I like adding milk to my coffee so would like it to be a little bit denser and stronger)?
Great question, Kimi. You won’t be able to get anywhere near the concentration and strength of an espresso, but if you want to brew a denser and stronger cup then here are some things we’d advise: Use a more developed roast (our espresso roasts for example are suited to espresso, milk drinks and fuller bodied filter brewing) and updose your ratio from around 60g per litre to closer to 75g per litre, so that would be 30g to 400g water instead of 24g as recommended above. To avoid under-extracting when using a higher dose you should also grind a couple of steps finer. The resulting cup should be stronger with a greater intensity of flavour that will stand out and cut through milk better. We hope that helps somewhat!
Hi Bryson - yes, we'd use the same approach with the [X], but would recommend scaling down the recipe accordingly. Try 6g of coffee to 100g of water as a starting point.
That's Kinto's ONETOUCH Teapot, which we also use as a 2-cup decanter. It's currently out of stock on our website, but we're expecting more to arrive with us soon.
@@workshopcoffee9001 I tried the 185. It is easy and possible to brew half the amount. Let's say for a single cup 15gr 250ml. Any idea if the bravilor might do the job? (16.6 x 15.8 x 14 cm; 140) thank you guys what you do with the emailing help and answering questions is amazing!
There’s a lot of discourse around the Ode needing to be set to very fine settings, and with this particular model I haven’t found the need to grind super fine. Saying that, we are continuing to test it out and are looking forward to sharing our findings in detail soon. Where have you been finding better results?
I started on a 3-4 because the grind is so course on the Ode. Recently, at the encouragement of CXFFEE Black, I’ve been using a 1. The flavors are highlighted IMO
“Solvent”? Unless there’s an option other than water, there’s no good reason to say “solvent” rather than “water.” Coffee jargon is so stupidly pretentious.
To someone who’s still trying to figure out the pourover art, this was a fantastic video. I wish more videos had more basic ratio information like this.
I got one of these as a gift for Christmas. This video has been immensely helpful in learning how to use this set and your recipe + grind settings were spot on for me. Thanks for taking the time to make and share it!
I normally don’t comment on videos, but this was so helpful. I’ve been struggling to get the flavor profile I know I can get out of my favorite light roast and this helped me get it back on track. Thanks for your knowledge!
Hi I would just like to point out that the gasket under the Stagg X has these ridges that I believe are meant for air to escape/be pushed through during brewer so a carafe/decanter with a spout may not be necessary.
great review--they are calling them anti-clog to highlight the problem that sometimes happens with the Kalita when the wet paper forms a seal with all three holes and slows drainage. It is why some people put a screen (suggested by Scott Rao) between the filter paper and the bottom of the dripper.
Thanks, Scott.
For me the weak link in pour over is the glass carafe, regardless of which method you use. For my Moccamaster KBGV Select I immediately pour the coffee into a 1 liter Alfi Hotello carafe. After years of using an Alfi Juwel, the Hotello was a bit of a revelation because there's no glass thermal chamber inside to break, and no rubber seal at all around the lid. The lid is about 1" high and hollow and keeps the coffee hot for over 90 minutes. I liked this so much and got so tired of feeling like I had to rush my pour over coffee drinking before it got cold that I bought another l6 liter version of the Alfi Hotello carafe and now I do the pour over coffee directly into the Hotello (setting a Kalita dripper over the hotello on the scale instead of a glass carafe). You can't do this visually, you need to use a scale, but if you have a scale it works great, and that way I can drink the pour over at my leisure without it getting too cold too fast.
Very good and funny videos bring a great sense of entertainment!
Going to try a level six grind on my ode tomorrow, using this brewer.
good tips. Thank you! Feel like this is required viewing if you own one of these....
very enjoyable videos
Thanks for watching, Roman.
Great video, thanks!
Nice review. I'm interested in this and the Espro Bloom, but can't bring myself to spend over double the price on filters as good Cafec V60 papers. I'm sure that's in their business model, but overall I think they lose out on more customers/money going this way.
I just tried mine out first time today, and the brew was done in 2mins. i ground it on the ode with the dial at 3 and noticed that the drawdown was much quicker than i expected.
Great recipe and video- your suggestion of 50ml at a time definitely allows a more even extraction with this brewer in particular creating a very sweet and rounded profile- I don’t think the height of the XF offers any advantages vs the X because you would follow a similar brew method and produce the same results. Therefore I’d recommend going for the smaller Stagg X if deciding between the 2.
Would you be able to fit 36 grams in the smaller X version?
@@ryrymckelvey3 I brewed 30g in my Stagg X this morning. About half-hour later I ordered the Stagg XF. You could push it if you really wanted and maybe brew 36g, but I decided just to bump up to the larger brewer instead.
Wow, great recipe, thank you! I got my Stagg XF recently and I very much like the coffee from it. I love the fact that you provided grinding setting for that many grinders. Although I am a bit surprised to see 20 for Baratza Encore - I was grinding on that one with level 13. But I am very excited to try your exact recipe!
Looking forward to hearing about the results, Nela.
@@workshopcoffee9001 this coarser grinding and recipe works great for bigger volume ~600ml and more. But if I brew just one cup it requires finer grinding.
@@workshopcoffee9001 to bee honest, when I set 20 for Baratza, the water ran through coffee to fast and it was a bit under-extracted. But setting 18 on Bartza Encore worked best for me :)
I'm using a Niche Zero grinder. For Espresso I'm at a dial setting of 15, at a setting of 45 I'm still finding fairy slow flow on the XF (taking almost 5 minutes for all the water to drain through). Wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if I should still be grinding even coarser? Cups actually seem a bit watery despite the slow extraction, worried that will taste under extracted if I go even coarser...
A 6 on the Ode? I don’t know if I’ve ever used anything higher than 4, ever... interesting for sure.
I was also surprised about Baratza Encore - as I normally use 14/15 for pour overs, 18 for chemex. Here they recommend 20 - I am excited to try that out.
I tried it on a 6 on my Ode, and it drained VERY fast. What setting do you normally use?
@@Nayr090 Bellow a 2 on mine.
@@Nayr090 I usually go one or two notches below 3, depends on the coffee.
Holy cow, I've been using between 7-8 on my Ode. I'm going to brew on 6 now.
Love the channel! I am going to give your recipe a go soon.
what is your recommended click number for grinding on the comandante C4O?
Thanks.
You guys are great. Love your content.I’d love to see a review of the Espro bloom ... I’ve been using it over the past 4 months and it has become my favourite pour over method ! Maybe in the near future ?
Thank you for the kind words, Edoardo.
Excellent Video! I recently purchased The ODE Gen 2 Grinder. Which grind setting do you think would match the number 6 position on your grinder? Im awaiting the XF set as we speak.
It looks like they're using the Ode 2 in the video, but in their grinding list it does only say Fellow Ode, so it would be nice to get clarification on this. My Ode 2 has the SSP burrs as well, so I'm not sure if there is further delineation needed.
I have ode 2 and being that this beeped tells me that it’s the first generation
Ode 2 I’m using grind setting 4
Thank you for expert explanation
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Why everyone always wear a cap backward in video on TV &Video indoor?
Lighting. Wearing a hat forwards means shadows would be cast on the face. Of course, one could wear no cap at all but then would need hairstyling before filming. 😉
Fellow likes this video.
What is your elapsed time between pours after the first 70g?
You guys should try to do a colab with James Hoffman! Love both of your channels :)
Thanks fo watching, Patrick.
Thank you for your review. Would you use the same method for 36gr of coffee?
Any suggestions for a king grinder k6?
A set of 45 filters for Stagg is 12 euros. A set of 100 V60 Hario 02 filters is 5 euros. This is a major reason i never wanted to purchase this brewer even though i love Fellow products. I really don't understand why are their filters so expensive.
Yeah, stagg have overestimated how much people will pay for their product.
Hopefully there is an unbleached third-party brand to purchase.
There’s a hack where you can fit v60 paper in stagg. UA-cam channel Aramse covers this in their review.
I use kalita filters in my stag xf, works perfectly
I’ve needed to grind finer than v60 or it drains fast.
Would the XF work with smaller doses like 12-14grams in 1:15-1:16 ratios?
It certainly would - we'd recommend fining up the grind slightly if you are. Otherwise, the Stagg [X] Pourover is specifically designed for 1-cup brewing: workshopcoffee.com/collections/hardware/products/stagg-x-pourover
@@workshopcoffee9001 thanks!
Does one have to grind coarser than the grind size of an equivalent V60?
On your Ode settings listed here, that’s with the stock burr set and not swapped for like the SSP set?
Hi Brett - that's correct, we're using the standard set here.
Thanks for the video. Does that mean the v60 filter works for this?
Thanks for watching. V60 papers won't work due to the flat bed of the brewer, but as an alternative to the specific Stagg papers, you could try Kalita filters.
Love this video! I know this might be a weird question, but how can I tweak the ratio for the end result to taste closer to an espresso (I like adding milk to my coffee so would like it to be a little bit denser and stronger)?
Great question, Kimi. You won’t be able to get anywhere near the concentration and strength of an espresso, but if you want to brew a denser and stronger cup then here are some things we’d advise:
Use a more developed roast (our espresso roasts for example are suited to espresso, milk drinks and fuller bodied filter brewing) and updose your ratio from around 60g per litre to closer to 75g per litre, so that would be 30g to 400g water instead of 24g as recommended above.
To avoid under-extracting when using a higher dose you should also grind a couple of steps finer.
The resulting cup should be stronger with a greater intensity of flavour that will stand out and cut through milk better. We hope that helps somewhat!
What setting do you use on the ode grinder for this dripper?
You can see in the video at 3:12 that Ode was set to 6.
Is the method with the [x] going to be the same, just with smaller amounts?
Hi Bryson - yes, we'd use the same approach with the [X], but would recommend scaling down the recipe accordingly. Try 6g of coffee to 100g of water as a starting point.
Which electronic scale is that you are using?
Hi Andy - they're Acaia's Lunar scale.
What scale do you use? It’s small and very nice looking.
Acaia lunar
That's correct, Kurt - it's Acaia Lunar scale.
I am watching now. This one looks interesting but does not provide much coffee. I need ~3 cups in the am.
Does this mean your last pour is 25 grams? 75+50+50+50+50+50+50+25?
any metallic taste in the coffee? :)
None, Athena. And discarding the filter paper immediately after use and keeping the brewer clean avoids any other flavour taint.
What glass carafe is that you're using?
That's Kinto's ONETOUCH Teapot, which we also use as a 2-cup decanter. It's currently out of stock on our website, but we're expecting more to arrive with us soon.
@@workshopcoffee9001 Thanks! Is that the 450ml or 620ml tea pot you are using? That is exactly the pot I am after for my stagg xf!
Will the kalita wave 185 filters work with this brewer? Or in general does anyone know any alternative? Thanks in advance
We've not tried them, but would be intrigued to see how Kalitta's 155 papers fair, rather than their 185s.
@@workshopcoffee9001 I tried the 185. It is easy and possible to brew half the amount. Let's say for a single cup 15gr 250ml. Any idea if the bravilor might do the job? (16.6 x 15.8 x 14 cm; 140) thank you guys what you do with the emailing help and answering questions is amazing!
Temp of water??
Hi Robert - thanks for watching. We go straight off the the boil with our brew water.
So impressed that someone said grams of water. Get so annoyed when people use a weighing scale and talk milliliters of water.
Bruh. Grinding at a 6. What are you doing? I tried it and my brew has minimal flavor.
There’s a lot of discourse around the Ode needing to be set to very fine settings, and with this particular model I haven’t found the need to grind super fine. Saying that, we are continuing to test it out and are looking forward to sharing our findings in detail soon.
Where have you been finding better results?
I started on a 3-4 because the grind is so course on the Ode. Recently, at the encouragement of CXFFEE Black, I’ve been using a 1. The flavors are highlighted IMO
Great videos, you should check out the Blue Bottle dripper!
looks like a solution waiting for a problem - KISS - go for a KALITA
“Solvent”? Unless there’s an option other than water, there’s no good reason to say “solvent” rather than “water.” Coffee jargon is so stupidly pretentious.
I'll save everyone some math -- every coffee to water ratio mentioned is 60g / 1 liter. (why not just say that??)
What setting on ode grinder did you use?