The Nine Years war (RTÉ Cork Project and UCC)
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion, took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish confederation-led mainly by Hugh O'Neill of Tyrone and Hugh Roe O'Donnell of Tyrconnell-against English rule in Ireland, and was a response to the ongoing Tudor conquest of Ireland. The war began in Ulster and northern Connacht, but eventually engulfed the entire island. The Irish alliance won numerous victories against the English forces in Ireland, such as the Battle of Clontibret (1595) and the Battle of the Yellow Ford (1598), but the English won a pivotal victory against the alliance and their Spanish allies in the siege of Kinsale (1601-02). The war ended with the Treaty of Mellifont (1603). Many of the defeated northern lords left Ireland to seek support for a new uprising in the Flight of the Earls (1607), never to return. This marked the end of Gaelic Ireland and led to the Plantation of Ulster.
The war against O'Neill and his allies was the largest conflict fought by England in the Elizabethan era. At the height of the conflict (1600-1601) more than 18,000 soldiers were fighting in the English army in Ireland.[3] By contrast, the English army assisting the Dutch during the Eighty Years' War was never more than 12,000 strong at any one time.
Spain supported Ireland. Proud of our Catholic brotherhood! 🇪🇦❤🇮🇪
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Always and still today! Thank you!
Just keep your inquisitions to yourself next time.
@@munch762 At least Inquisition provided judges and lawyers, witchhunters cannot say the same... Without forgetting that inquisitors were not as barbarous to put the quarterring into practice (even if they were cruel, there is no doubt)
backwards weak and corrupt losers 🤷🏻♂️
Been looking for a decent documentary on the nine years war for ages! delighted to find this
Your welcome man. I'll see what else I can work around with copy rights ect.
Im a Geraldine/ FitzGerald/ Desmond descendant...my grandfather was named after James and Edward, 2 of our ancestors killed in the various Desmond rebellions. I also know of the loss of Tassle Thomas. The Geraldine family history is tragic when researched, they lost everything for Ireland and its people fighting their Tudor descendant cousins.....very sad
Sounds it, have you seen my video on Ireland and the 100 years war? I cover a good bit of the Desmond Fitzgeralds in that video.
Your surname is of Norman decent, that means that your ancestors invaded Ireland 400 odd years before these events as foreigners to the locals, Where do we draw the line when it comes to our ancestors?.Not being cheeky BTW just some food for though lol.
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My mother's family are O'Neill and Fitzgerald. I really find this history fascinating.
Good documentary. I took some lectures from Hiram Morgan in UCC twenty years ago. Great historian.
Amazing!! My wife was in his class as well, insanely nice and chilled out man, for the level and knowledge he has.
The end of Gaelic Ireland was probably inevitable once the Tudors had confirmed their power under Henry VII and his experience of pretenders basing themselves in Ireland. That's how Cork got the nickname "Rebel County".
However, a great imponderable is what might have happened had Ó Neill not signed at Mellifont a week after Elizabeth's death, though he was unaware of it. James I/VI was anti-Gaelic in Scotland, and subsequently in Ireland, but might he have given better terms to avoid distractions in Ireland as he moved his court from Edinburgh to London?
And oh to find out what Ó Neill and Essex actually talked about in 1599! We see history as a straight line because of what actually happened. But it would be nice to think that in some parallel universe these two ambitious men were successful in their efforts, and as a result there is an Irish speaking Ireland based on Brehon Law on some planet millions of light years away.
Sin scéal eile, is dóigh liom 😊
That's it, I have a video on the wars of the Roses as well, not as good as this as I made it in my own free time. But have a look.
@@IrishMedievalHistory Will do and good to see the channel growing.
@@AnBreadanFeasa ya! Thank god! This month I made $80 and was able to pay for the wife and myself to go out. Not bad.
Ill be watching your vids thanks. Great doc.
Thanks so much man!
A great video explaining the Politics Religous currents and Superpowers (Spain)
And Power and determination of Elizabeth 1st and this sets the scene for the next 3 centuries !!.
Yes! This war is very interesting!
Thanks for uploading... love the ad for Beamish in the middle of it \"/
Can't beat the good stuff, looking forward to your comments in future videos.
The Beamishes were landlords during the famine evicting poor Irish tenants around the Fermoy area.
Drink Murphy's or craft stout.
Last pint of beamish has now, previously been sank. Slainte for t'intel.
Good stuff 👏 again thanks 😅😊
O'Donnell Abu!
Des Ekin who wrote the excellent , " the stolen village ", about the ottoman raid on a baltimore stealing 100 plus people into slavery, well he wrote a another excellent book on the battle of kinsale, i recommend it
Des Ekin... Says everything.
Ya! I've been meaning to read his work for years.
Corsairs were North African Berbers usually from today's Algeria or Morocco. If memory serves, that raid was led by a Dutch Captain, who went "Turk" 《 Muslim》 as they put it at the time.
I love the 2000s adverts in the middle haha.
That's what this channel is all about 😂 digging up the old VHS Rte and BBC documentaries and hoping it'll upload with no copyright problem's.
Descendant of Rory O'Connor here!
The English banned the keeping of records for Catholics out of hate and fear so unless you're telling us the line of Rory O Conner is protestant, there's no way to know.
O'Neill'd *humiliated* London big time by that negotiation he carried out.
They never should have left their people.
I've talked to a few historians in UCC, that agree with you.
They would have been wiped out by the british.
@@ainekearney9041 maybe, it's a hard one to call with King James taking power. Very hard one to call.
@@IrishMedievalHistory can i ask in seriousness why is it. Did they not go so fast that they left a child and a pregent wife behind. Dont know what happened the wife but the child ended up in the tower of London and was never seen again.
They left to be sure but those that left and their children came back in 1641.
Had to have a rethink on ireland after reading last week that during the British empire 30% of the army was Irish (Wellington etc) and held many high post positions.
That was ultimately down to the fact that Irish men had little choice, it was join the British or American military. There wasn't the choices of jobs others have.
You should read Kerns and Gallowglass if you haven`t already mate it`s great
I know, I badly need to get a hold of it.
There was a third power in play in Europe at the time namely The Ottomans which the Hapsburgs both Austrian and Spanish had to give considerable resources to stem their advances both on land and sea, Elizabeth was making treaties with this enemy of Christian Europe!
That's very true.
My 13th great-grandfather, Hugh Maguire, died in this war.
@@charlesfritz7327 wow! 😲 Very interesting research you have done.
@@IrishMedievalHistory It certainly wasn’t easy. The internet and record digitization helped a lot.
Taking an alliance with Spain was a terrible mistake. O'Neil could have gotten a semi-autonomous status for Ireland as long as they pledged fealty to Elizabeth. The example of the first Spanish Armada should have been enough to persuade him that an even weaker Spain would have no chance of landing in sufficient force to successfully occupy Ireland. Even if Phillip sincerely wanted to help his fellow Catholics in Ireland, it was beyond Spain's strength. Instead, all it did was place Ireland in a hopeless position of total defeat, transportation, and indentured servitude and slavery, famine and rape and pillage. They would have been infinitely better off if they had presented the Spanish envoy to Elizabeth as a pledge of their future loyalty while they finished negotiations. Elizabeth always had to convince her most powerful nobles and advisors that she was capable of protecting England from outside threats, especially from Catholic Spain.
Very interesting view. 🤔
While I agree that Spanish intervention ultiimately proved disastrous, mainly by pressuring the Irish to anandon their successful guerrilla tactics to get embroilled in a pitched battle, a couple of things spring to mind reading yor post.
The Spanish navy was to weak to land troops in large numbers, but the troops landed at Kinsale would have proven sufficient if the Irish had simply withstood the English cavalry charge for a short period of time. Mountjoy took a huge gamble by sending a small portion of his force to meet the Irish in the field, leaving the bulk to contain any Spanish sally. He was betting the house an Irish collapse. If they had withstood the initial English charge, they would have had Mountjoy outnumbered and caught in a pincer. It woud have been the end of Elizabethan Ireland. Allegedly, when Mountjoy saw the size of the Irish army and the position he was in, he said "This Kingsom is lost today". If the Spanish landing had placed the allies in that position that morning, perhaps the real reason for the defeat was not the size of the Spanish force.
As to the idea that the Irish should should have handed the Spanish envoy to Elizabeth and continued to negotiate... Perhaps, but maybe they aspired to freedom and independence, raather than subjugation.
@@bertieschoice216 when your say the post, do you mean the video.if you mean the video did you read, James O'Neills book on the topic the Nine years war?
You cannot try to impose modern diplomacy on a Catholic people during the 16th century, arguing negotiations with Protestant England. Agreed, it sounds very reasonable today, but at the time - madness.
@@IrishMedievalHistory By post, I meant roggergriffin's post in these comments. No I have not read that book. I read Silke's book many years ago and I can't remember exactly what else since then.
i watched it all
Thank you so much!
Wouldn't it be great if we're all able to get along and help each other instead of trying to rule each other to our detriment 🕊️
Agricola always said he could have taken and held Ireland with a single legion and several companies of mounted auxiliaries. No doubt the chieftains were always at war with each other even back then.
That's what you call bs
Romans were losing thousands trying to hold lesser areas
They couldn't even take the Picts bit the irish did in 3 years
I’d say Tacitus spent a lot of time with him when he had a few drinks on him!😂
They were close to peace then spanish envoy showed up. Phillip had a beef with Elizabeth and wanted his daughter on England's throne. Damn.
He sure did and now we have loads of history to chat about over a few drinks.
It's my island
No! it's my island!!
I find the conclusions on O’Neill by Mr Morgan illogical. His praise of O’Neill’s political and military skills are not consistent with the disastrous outcomes he achieved. O’Neill does not compare well to other historical military commanders, including those who had so few resources to begin with. A reality check is needed here but few historians in Ireland are willing to express a different viewpoint because of political and religious opposition. The church view has dominated the presentation of historical events since well before I was a lad!
Interesting perspective
James O`Neill`s book on it is great mate
Ya! I have it as well. Amazing book.
Unfortunately I can't watch this. Too many adverts popping up. UA-cam is gone to shite
So sad the Irish could never come together. Always fighting each other.
Don't worry, I'll work on King Richard II in Ireland and how the Irish beat him in the late medieval era.
If you read the annals of the four masters or the chronicles of Ulster, it's literally the Gaelic Chiefs killing other Gaelic chiefs, then the Vikings come, kill a pile of monks, then the Gaelic chiefs realise they can pay Vikings to kill other Gaelic chiefs for them. Oh and there's loads of stuff about the weather, but constant infighting seems to be the theme of the history of Ireland. It's actually an interesting read with loads of weird entries about animals and astronomical events.
Yes it was sad. If they could have agreed on a single ruler to pledge fealty to and particularly if they could have combined with Scotland and Wales earlier in say 1300 or so they might have held the English off.
The irish had no problem, if the English would leave and take the implants with them that claimed to be irish..
Divided like Irish families. Reality was Ireland never really existed, as a central state. Plus the UI Neil in Ulster looked at the rest of the Irish as more or less foreigners. In Tir Chonail( Donegal) they had their own kingdom. Red Hugh O' Donnel represented his clans interest as much as the Irish Catholic interest. Even when fighting Cromwell much later the Ui Neil clans were the only ones to defeat him, but insisted that they fight with their own Ulster men down South. They didn't trust the fighting spirit of the other Irish.
The End of Gaelic Ireland ☘️😔
Don't forget the hundreds of shipwrecked armada sailors who were SLAUGHTERED by the tribal irish on the west coast .
Well that's not what the sailors said themselves. When the landed in Sligo the locals tried to save them and English garrison was executed them.
There is bound to be some sunken treasure still of our coast ... who owns it if found ??,
@@parkgate-ub1ey I bagsy it.
That's a long disproven myth...they were slaughtered by English garrisons along the coast.
Basically another element was going on therein as well: Elizabeth was robbing her brother-in-law *blind*; so she was no good lady therein.
So many times in Irish history somebody stabbed the cause in the back for their own gain.
He be known as far right if he was alive today.
That tells you everything you need to know what's going on in this country now
Ireland for the Irish. Treason to suggest oitherwise.
Gobshite
Playing right into their hands
@Fi88442 what ya mean?
He was literally an aristocrat, an authoritarian leader as was normal for the time. He would quite literally be very far right today as an undemocratic leader.
Mcmahon Abu
I'm a mcmahon
could ve kipped the adds tho
An O'Neill, what do you expect..
bua nó bás
why was it called the nine years war? because it started in 1593 and ended in 1603: Nine years duh!
And a few months.
"The Nine years and a few months war" doesn't sound as good.
And next big event was the Good Friday Agreement..
Ireland 🇮🇪 32 United and Free!
Donegal and Tyrone fucked up here
Maybe a little, am interested in what your view is.
@@IrishMedievalHistory O'Neill = tyrone , O'Donnell = Donegal , they messed up their attack on the english at kinsale .
@@tomtomftube very true.
Did you read James O'Neills book on the Nine years war?
Maybe , but it’ll be different in the championship!😂
One of my Irish ancestors directed the execution of 170 Spanish sailors that had been shipwrecked on the coast. Boetius Clancy.
Over thousands Spainish sailors and soldiers murdered in fields in buncrana run in Derry Ireland 🇮🇪... The armada 25 ships sank in Ireland there 8000. Killed and 4000 drowned . In 1588.
@@davidmcintyre5807never heard about that before - I thought the Gallaghers helped them escape.
÷INSTAVRARE OMNIA IN CHRISTO
🟢 HO HO HO GREEN GIANT !
The continental European context and perspectives are underresearched in early modern Ireland , as are the Irish links to the continent in this period. An overreliance on British state papers tilts or skews the framing of the period , Irish language sources including the poetry is a vast underrrsearched source which reflects an alternative and insightful and some may say independent perspective. What was the prospect of a Spanish appointee being put on the Irish throne , and why did it not happen ? Why did the Spanish use and abuse the Irish to suit their wider diplomatic strategy ? Their were echoes of this early modern period more recently in Ireland when EIB President Trichet threatened Minister of Finance Brian Lenihan in 2010 - if you don’t do as you’re told I’ll switch off the ATMs in Dublin !
😂 not sure about all that, I did have a Spanish girlfriend back in 2015.
Amazing girl.
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@@IrishMedievalHistoryI’m sure she was lovely , did she not help you with your research ? 😂
That video must be 20-25 + years old , Morgan & O’Connor look very very young.
@@conallgeneral8136 so sure did 😊
Ya, it lost all copy rights ten years ago from RTE, maybe longer.
Sad to say ireland was crushed by elizabethan England and never recovered its own national culture....gaelic is a minority in ireland and all ststely homes csstles are owned by english aristocrats....😊😊😊😊
Wouldn't fully say crushed yet, we still had to hold out from Cromwell and William of Orange.
@@IrishMedievalHistory well it was the most significant event to end irish independence , after that it was all downhill for the irish ,tell me do the majority of irish speak gaelic as a first language, do thr irish native aristocracy own their castles and estates,do the irish still wear linen saffron tunics etc.. what is irish about eire today really?
@@IrishMedievalHistorywell it was the most significant event to end irish independence, it was all downhill after that, the d3cline of irish cultural identity .....irish language slowly declined,as a first language, irish clothing banned, irish hairstyles banned, irish music banned, etc..😊
There were no Ulster tell the planters came Ireland 🇮🇪 was Ireland .
@@davidmcintyre5807 yes David your correct,
In other words, by that papal bull, the pope separated the catholic church from Christ forever; as he ordered a *murder*, and hence has expelled God from Christianity for all time and eternity!
If only they put the welfare of the people over fighting for religion.
What do you mean?
This will be interesting... Please expand.
I don’t think you can. If you’ve got a state who plans to systematically persecute you occupying your country you can’t separate the defence of self from the defence of religion. Both are implied by the other and both are under threat