They seem to be moving the rear panel usb connectors to internal headers more than necessarily increasing the total number I think it's a good policy overall. Plugging stuff into the back of the pc is annoying. It defintiely increases the total number of usable USB connectors.
too bad they blacklist any media (Hardware unboxed and Gamers nexus) that discover their low end boards over multiple generations have such bad vrms that's it's almost false advertising to say it's compatible with i7s
@@HellNo842 all the big manufacturers have a history of stopping review samples to reviewers who provide negative opinions. Its an industry wide problem. Marketing departments are generally scum.
I once tried upgrading an Alienware R8 desktop from an i5 to a 9900k. Even with the Dell server grade fans ramping up to 3,000 rpm, it would thermal throttle. After that experience, I built my first pc, and then a second to make use of that cpu. I gave the Alienware away to a friends daughter and haven't glimpsed at a prebuilt since.
I’m currently mad at CyberPower, fixing a friends PC and the latest BIOS update is from early 2020, so he’s stuck on zen+ for no damn reason Not even Zen 2 as an upgrade
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 some b450 board that is custom to CyberPower I suppose I could chance flashing a different BIOS from a similar board onto it but idk how good of an idea that is
@@ryanwallace983 Maybe check if it's an ASrock or ECS board? They're used a lot in OEM builds, might even be some people online that figured it out already.
I made the misstake of putting a 5900X in a B450-F ASUS board end of last year, not a huge issue, it ran just fine but when pushed to its limits it would throttle to save the VRM's. No temp sensor for them but I imagine they where hitting 100C+... they where getting roasted! Have since upgraded to a X570S Tomahawk WiFi Max, amazing motherboard! Even if the bios is difficult to understand!
24:14 Remember when these companies told us that by moving the memory VRM onto the memory module would reduce board cost? Yea, i saw right through that lie
They do not, because they also have to develop DDR5 boards first. When DDR5 boards are mainstream then it will save some cost on the boards, but you will bleed it with every memory module you buy.
I prefer as barebones and Spartan as possible, just give me all the lanes and ports from the chipset. I do not need your onboard wifi, super soundcard, none of it. Cannot break what is not on it.
10:23 the ASUS B660-PLUS D4 is not the same thing as the B660M-A D4. The latter is micro ATX. The pages you showed were all for the full version while the board you had in the video was the micro ATX version.
My experience with B660 motherboards is rather limited - I built systems with the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi and the Asrock B660 Steel Legend. I was also eyeing the Asus Prime H670-Plus because it had a lot of PCIe, USB and M.2 ports and a 8X DMI 4.0 connection to the CPU (as opposed to 4X for the B660) but I could not find one where the price is within the budget that I had. The Asrock B660 Steel Legend's USB ports are all hanging off one USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 connection to the B660 chipset. The Steel Legend has been stable and is recommended for all i3 and i5 builds. I have not tested it with i7 or i9 CPUs. The MSI is probably the best budget motherboard if you want to use i7s and i9s. The VRMs are rock steady and are thermally efficient too. For people who need to use multiple monitors, the 2X HDMI and 2X display port outputs for integrated graphics will be a big advantage as you won't need to buy a graphics card for additional video ports. Bottom line is that only a Core i3 or lesser Intel CPU does not mind some of the lower end motherboards so much. But if you are doing a build with a CPU costing $300 or more, choosing the right motherboard to get the maximum performance from your CPU is highly important.
I have an asus B550m A paired with i5-12600k. It seems to limit the power usage to 89w. Now i knew this would likely be a problem going in but dont need the frequency. The only reason i bought the 12600k, is because the 12600 doesnt have the E cores for this server i am building. I think the higherst all-core frequency i've seen on this thing is 4.1Ghz even with a cooler rated for 250w while testing before tearing down the old server, and this is for a light all core workload like Cinebench. For people who wanted this for high performance computing this would probably be an issue
I skimmed through the video timeline and did not see any performance graphs. Also, the "Results" section starts with the Methods section? Hardware Unboxed typically has great videos on lower tier motherboards focusing on the VRM performance.
This is why I love the fact that my motherboard has a heatpipe linking multiple segments of sink to a dense finstack with two small fans on it. With my custom fan curve for the heatsink fans, the VRM stays under 55C with inaudible fan speeds and I love it. c:
Please add timestamps. Not everyone has 25 minutes to watch whole video. I love how HU and GN videos have clear Summary section I can jump to and get TL;DR version
If you want to go budget, why would you consider any DDR5 board? A review of them makes no sense for me. And if I want to spend money for DDR5 I would go with Z690 anyways.
I got a cheap ROG Strix B660-G with a 12400 and pushing it to 5.2ghz (1:1 CPU-RAM clock ratio) was extremely easy and it's been stable so far, but does require very good cooling.
Man these board are unnecessarily hungry out of the box. First thing I did with my Asus Z690P D4 + 12700KF was setting SVID behavior to 'best case scenario' to get rid of so much excess power (and heat). Running very mild OC, I'd rather keep the power, temps and noise in check than get a couple hundred more MHz. Bumped E-cores to 3.8GHz, locked down cache to 4.0, 2 core turbo 5.2, up to 7 cores 5.0 and left all core to stock 4.7GHz. CB23 I'm seeing 155-160W package power, scoring somewhere in the 23300.
Good review. I would look for other ways to save $20-40 than pairing a K CPU with a non Z690 motherboard. Not only do the Z motherboards get you better overclocking potential with generally better cooling, they also get twice as many PCIe lanes which gives you way better connectivity and expandability options. I'm using the Asus Prime Z690-P D4 with an i7-12700K for my Unraid machine (also runs a gaming VM with 6 P cores). It has pretty beefy heatsinks on the top VRM unlike the B660 variant you showcased. I'm not overclocking at this point but the reason I went for the Z board was the extra lanes so I can add a 2nd GPU, an HBA, a USB PCIe adapter etc.
Or save the money and get H670, which has nearly the same number of PCIe lanes as Z690 for $50 cheaper here in the US Wendell said the B660 Steep Legend kept up with the 12700, so I imagine the H670 Steep Legend would do the same (which is what I’m going to buy)
Got my GF a 12700f for $313 and the ddr4 MSI MAG B660m (the one Hardware Unboxed recommends). It holds its 4.5 all p-core boost indefinitely as it should. The board was $180 us but it also had other features we needed.
Amazing video, as a Pro RS owner i wondered how it would do with the 13600k, which is basically the 12700k in terms of power draw. Cant wait for it to arrive
I know you tried to compare low-tier chipsets.. but I took away a different lesson.. this video helped me to understand, for the first time, the REAL difference between high-tier vs. low-tier chipsets.. ie. z690 vs B660
Who knew a premium CPU wouldn't run at peak performance using a cheap motherboard. The $130 MSI board will run a 12900k just fine. People need to stop cutting corners and buying trash tier motherboards.
Where is the b660 ddr5 video u proposed, our good Sir Mr. Wendell; that would interesting to see. I listened to a 4hr stream by Buildzoid on all 10, 60, and 70 boards; and Yung BZ discourages using ddr5 on anything but z690 due to the exorbitant power requirements on ddr5, specifically stating b660 boards don't appear to be able to deliver. He wasn't testing, however, just reviewing the ads based upon specs and pics; so I'm just sayin some actual testing on some of them would make for some sweet content. [Wendell's voice] "WooOOOoo"
Zombie posting here. Love the analytics 👍 However, I can understand taking umbrage with sample sizes as some level of parts lottery may apply to mobos. Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
MSI Z690-A Pro should be considered the bar to meet for all LGA1700 boards, it has no trouble feeding a heavily overclocked 12900K(S) and has very good I/O and expansion options. A B660 worth considering is the MSI M-A (DDR4) which has quite a good VRM and sits around the $150 mark, but personally I find all these B660s have a lot of trouble competing with a $180-200 Z690-A Pro.
Currently running the 13900K on a B660 🤣. But I’m waiting for the new Z790 AORUS Xtreme X motherboard with Wifi 7 and Corsair DDR5 Dominator Titanium 192 GB max and 8000mhz max stuff soo 😆
Hey ! I still have one of those modems ! It was awesome to upgrade from 100 baud to 300 baud back in the day. 🤣 ( p.s. I realize a large portion of your viewers will have no idea what I am talking about. )
@@Quettesh yes I suppose ur right there. Someone won't notice the issue and will rma the board when the card doesn't connect or shorts out another component. Fair point. Tho I would point out that very few standard motherboard components are high enough to obstruct a pcie card.
I wouldn't use the DS3H for anything other than to put a i3 in it for a Kid's PC. ASUS once again comes so close with the Prime series, but just not quite there. From some other reviews the best budget board is the MSI Pro B660.
I used to only run Intel.. I bought the first I.. I was religious about it.. Not a Fanboy but they always had the performance over the years so I went with them.. But I have been on AMD now for I guess 6 years and very happy.. I just did a new Build and went with a 5900X I got it for $350 on sale.. I basically got upgraded from the 5800X that I was going to buy to the 5900X.. I paired it with the 6800XT and I have no regrets.. I have everything tuned in the BIOS for max performance and SAM on and I do very well in 4K gaming now..
It would be nice to have a good test. If I recall correctly, Hardware Unboxed did look at this some and the results for AMD were pretty good. Maybe it's intel's loose specs that cause it I am not sure but getting a mobo for intel is like navigating a mine field.
You can hold it against Asus. When I get a new budget MB which is DoA, it is in most cases Asus. Their budget MBs are trash, the lowest I would go with Asus is TUF series. I rarely use MSI and Gigabyte boards don't bring anything interesting to the table. For many years ASRock brings the most features for the same price and I never had any major issues with them.
Though what you say is true, I have mixed feelings about ASRock boards myself. My Asrock Z97X Killer died rather prematurely, and there were some initial issues with my current Asrock X570 Creator, that I got because of the features. Eventually resolved in later BIOS revisions, but they still haven't released a new BIOS with the latest AGESA update while most others have already. MSI rolled it out to even A320 boards. I'm pretty sure (needs additional testing) it's runs my CPUs hotter than my Asus X470 (also released that newer BIOS) board did. Oddly the Asus B450 strix has an additional bios option that the X470 strix is missing, which is irksome. I haven't personally used a Gigabyte board since AM3, but I'd pick them over MSI. I have built a few systems for others with Gigabyte boards and haven't had any complaints.
I was using a b365 motherboard on a i7 9700k. and while it clearly couldn't handle that CPU it still managed for 3 years until I upgraded to Asrock Z370 motherboard. at first I couldn't believe the performance I was getting as it was boosting at speeds I wasn't used too when it was installed on my b365 motherboard. but then I tried to overclock it to 5.0ghz and just using auto voltage..it killed my i7 9700k at 1.34v volts as I was watching HWINFO it suddenly died on me. now im stuck on my old i5 9400f and the z370 that killed my trusty 9700k.
All I can say is i will never us Asrock again. I bought an Asrock for my threadripper 1950x and it had nonstop problems. For example USB would randomly disconnect while downloading vides from my Sony a7s3. Finally after about 2 years the board just died. I replaced it with an Asus and its ran rock solid with USB working ever since. Asrock driver support is horrible too.
Are you sure your CPU was thermal throttling on the ASUS board? What's your R23 score? I run my 12700K without power limits on a Prime Z690M Plus. Power consumption with Cinebench R23 maxes out at about 170 W and that's with VCCSA cranked up in order to get my 4 B-die DIMMs stable at 4000. I don't know why your B660M-A can exceed 200W before it thermal throttles. My CPU stays at 4700 and the score stays around 22800 which is on the high side of what reviewers were getting for the 12700K. I can get the CPU to sustain 250 W with an overclock but that's the limit of my 280 AIO for keeping the CPU below 100 degrees. Back of the board maxes out at 75 degrees in that case.
Am i correct in saying the B660 does not support BCLK 100% setting adjustment, cos i cant find it. I`m using 12400, with the same Gigabyte board you using.
Looks like you where comparing prices of different Asus boards, the ddr4 a plus and the one you had are different. Asus has a bunch of different prime boards with very similar names. M A d4 vs plus d4
MSI Pro B660-A or Pro B660M-A handles them all. the rest of B660 seem to be trash. sad failure. MSI is only brand who did B660 right. I guess they learned from X570 failures.
I had a B660M-A WIFI D4. The vrm blew after a month. Asus rma denied the warranty (big surprise). Bought a msi pro z690 and never buying another asus product again.
Love this kind of investigative stuff - Thank you!
Me too.
I adore Asrock's continuing trend of including lots of USB connections.
They seem to be moving the rear panel usb connectors to internal headers more than necessarily increasing the total number
I think it's a good policy overall. Plugging stuff into the back of the pc is annoying.
It defintiely increases the total number of usable USB connectors.
too bad they blacklist any media (Hardware unboxed and Gamers nexus) that discover their low end boards over multiple generations have such bad vrms that's it's almost false advertising to say it's compatible with i7s
Have you seen their itx boards? There's like half the rear io compared to msi and asus.
@@HellNo842 all the big manufacturers have a history of stopping review samples to reviewers who provide negative opinions. Its an industry wide problem. Marketing departments are generally scum.
@@christopherjackson2157 Asrock are particularly egregious in this matter.
I once tried upgrading an Alienware R8 desktop from an i5 to a 9900k. Even with the Dell server grade fans ramping up to 3,000 rpm, it would thermal throttle. After that experience, I built my first pc, and then a second to make use of that cpu. I gave the Alienware away to a friends daughter and haven't glimpsed at a prebuilt since.
I’m currently mad at CyberPower, fixing a friends PC and the latest BIOS update is from early 2020, so he’s stuck on zen+ for no damn reason
Not even Zen 2 as an upgrade
@@ryanwallace983 That's odd, they usually offer normal boards - what's the motherboard inside?
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 some b450 board that is custom to CyberPower
I suppose I could chance flashing a different BIOS from a similar board onto it but idk how good of an idea that is
@@ryanwallace983 Maybe check if it's an ASrock or ECS board? They're used a lot in OEM builds, might even be some people online that figured it out already.
Impressive results by the asrock b660m steel legend.
I was looking at these boards just 10 hours ago, perfect timing!
I made the misstake of putting a 5900X in a B450-F ASUS board end of last year, not a huge issue, it ran just fine but when pushed to its limits it would throttle to save the VRM's. No temp sensor for them but I imagine they where hitting 100C+... they where getting roasted! Have since upgraded to a X570S Tomahawk WiFi Max, amazing motherboard! Even if the bios is difficult to understand!
Yeah, I think Asus has my favorite BIOS.
real world and comprehensive, thank you for your reviews
Great video! Huge fan of ASRock for years. Never had issues with them and you get more for your money in many cases.
Darn I wanted to see the MSI Mortar B660 WiFi/ MSI B660 A-Pro DDR4 get hammered and see if it's worth it's metal. Dat Min-Max Tho.
24:14 Remember when these companies told us that by moving the memory VRM onto the memory module would reduce board cost?
Yea, i saw right through that lie
They do not, because they also have to develop DDR5 boards first. When DDR5 boards are mainstream then it will save some cost on the boards, but you will bleed it with every memory module you buy.
Bought a B660 Asus Pro Art Creators for my 12700F. The B660 & Z690 version of these boards are one of the best you can buy, though a expensive.
The B660 and Z690 ASUS Pro Art Creators. Best new boards period.
Also, you was right about the 6900XT. That's the OC FORMULA, which is a 6900XT.
I prefer as barebones and Spartan as possible, just give me all the lanes and ports from the chipset. I do not need your onboard wifi, super soundcard, none of it. Cannot break what is not on it.
@@jamegumb7298 I definetly agree. 4x pcie > 4x pcie worth of features
This is great info to have, thanks Wendell
I've been wanting to see a video just like this for a long time
Thank you :D
10:23 the ASUS B660-PLUS D4 is not the same thing as the B660M-A D4. The latter is micro ATX. The pages you showed were all for the full version while the board you had in the video was the micro ATX version.
My experience with B660 motherboards is rather limited - I built systems with the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi and the Asrock B660 Steel Legend. I was also eyeing the Asus Prime H670-Plus because it had a lot of PCIe, USB and M.2 ports and a 8X DMI 4.0 connection to the CPU (as opposed to 4X for the B660) but I could not find one where the price is within the budget that I had.
The Asrock B660 Steel Legend's USB ports are all hanging off one USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 connection to the B660 chipset. The Steel Legend has been stable and is recommended for all i3 and i5 builds. I have not tested it with i7 or i9 CPUs.
The MSI is probably the best budget motherboard if you want to use i7s and i9s. The VRMs are rock steady and are thermally efficient too. For people who need to use multiple monitors, the 2X HDMI and 2X display port outputs for integrated graphics will be a big advantage as you won't need to buy a graphics card for additional video ports.
Bottom line is that only a Core i3 or lesser Intel CPU does not mind some of the lower end motherboards so much. But if you are doing a build with a CPU costing $300 or more, choosing the right motherboard to get the maximum performance from your CPU is highly important.
Can you please do a video on ddr5 vs ddr4 general system stability? (on desktop and laptop) I have heard conflicting stories
I have an asus B550m A paired with i5-12600k. It seems to limit the power usage to 89w. Now i knew this would likely be a problem going in but dont need the frequency. The only reason i bought the 12600k, is because the 12600 doesnt have the E cores for this server i am building.
I think the higherst all-core frequency i've seen on this thing is 4.1Ghz even with a cooler rated for 250w while testing before tearing down the old server, and this is for a light all core workload like Cinebench.
For people who wanted this for high performance computing this would probably be an issue
I nominate you guys for BEST INTRO SONG!!!
seriously, it's a banger!
Great video, nice to see a review of ASRock Intel motherboards that doesn't get hysterical like some people down under!
And I don't think Wendell would get snarky and rude if someone politely pointed out a problem with his testing or how he represents the data.
I skimmed through the video timeline and did not see any performance graphs. Also, the "Results" section starts with the Methods section?
Hardware Unboxed typically has great videos on lower tier motherboards focusing on the VRM performance.
Bought i7-12700F and MSI B660M-A DDR4. Works fine for me.
This is why I love the fact that my motherboard has a heatpipe linking multiple segments of sink to a dense finstack with two small fans on it. With my custom fan curve for the heatsink fans, the VRM stays under 55C with inaudible fan speeds and I love it. c:
Interesting stuff! Thanks for doing this and sharing it with us :).
The WiFi version of the Asus B660M-A D4 includes the missing topmost VRM heatsink 🤦♂️
Never knew Sapphire made water coolers!
Nice video!
This is quite timely, as my son-in-law is requesting B660 mainboard recommendations for a new build, thanks! (He's just getting i5-12400, however)
New video from L1T? Defualt-Like!
Please add timestamps. Not everyone has 25 minutes to watch whole video. I love how HU and GN videos have clear Summary section I can jump to and get TL;DR version
You're right, and so I've done it! even made sure there was a TL;DR right at the end ~Editor Autumn
@@Level1Techs
Thank you daddy uwu
Have you tested with some cheap heatsinks (for raspberry pis or harvested ewaste) on those VRMs for the Gigabyte mobo?
If you want to go budget, why would you consider any DDR5 board? A review of them makes no sense for me. And if I want to spend money for DDR5 I would go with Z690 anyways.
Would like to see the Msi Mortar board against the steel legend
I got a cheap ROG Strix B660-G with a 12400 and pushing it to 5.2ghz (1:1 CPU-RAM clock ratio) was extremely easy and it's been stable so far, but does require very good cooling.
You can oc the 12400?
@@mariusgage5471 yes if the board has a clock gen chip
Man these board are unnecessarily hungry out of the box. First thing I did with my Asus Z690P D4 + 12700KF was setting SVID behavior to 'best case scenario' to get rid of so much excess power (and heat). Running very mild OC, I'd rather keep the power, temps and noise in check than get a couple hundred more MHz. Bumped E-cores to 3.8GHz, locked down cache to 4.0, 2 core turbo 5.2, up to 7 cores 5.0 and left all core to stock 4.7GHz. CB23 I'm seeing 155-160W package power, scoring somewhere in the 23300.
Hi Wendel , can you maybe test this tiny itx "Biostar Racing B660GTN", You'll be surprized :-)
Good review. I would look for other ways to save $20-40 than pairing a K CPU with a non Z690 motherboard. Not only do the Z motherboards get you better overclocking potential with generally better cooling, they also get twice as many PCIe lanes which gives you way better connectivity and expandability options. I'm using the Asus Prime Z690-P D4 with an i7-12700K for my Unraid machine (also runs a gaming VM with 6 P cores). It has pretty beefy heatsinks on the top VRM unlike the B660 variant you showcased. I'm not overclocking at this point but the reason I went for the Z board was the extra lanes so I can add a 2nd GPU, an HBA, a USB PCIe adapter etc.
Or save the money and get H670, which has nearly the same number of PCIe lanes as Z690 for $50 cheaper here in the US
Wendell said the B660 Steep Legend kept up with the 12700, so I imagine the H670 Steep Legend would do the same (which is what I’m going to buy)
@@ryanwallace983 there is always the nonK chips paired with B or H series mobos which is usually the best bang for the $
Got my GF a 12700f for $313 and the ddr4 MSI MAG B660m (the one Hardware Unboxed recommends). It holds its 4.5 all p-core boost indefinitely as it should. The board was $180 us but it also had other features we needed.
Amazing video, as a Pro RS owner i wondered how it would do with the 13600k, which is basically the 12700k in terms of power draw.
Cant wait for it to arrive
is it doing ok?
I so want your acoustic coupler.....
Very well made video. I really like the animations showing the back IO. :)
That aio looks pretty neat.
Спасибо! Наконец то я нашёл то что искал.- нужную мне 😀материнскую плату
Well done, neat stuff.
I know you tried to compare low-tier chipsets.. but I took away a different lesson.. this video helped me to understand, for the first time, the REAL difference between high-tier vs. low-tier chipsets.. ie. z690 vs B660
also need to learn about VRM power and PCI-e lanes
i have an MSI b660 tomahawk that i replaced my 12400 with a 13700k. it runs just fine but i do wish i went with a z690 originally.
I'd also like that flux capacitor...
You called board partners allowing Intel motherboards to pull too my power by default @ the 16min:25sec mark way back then in this video @Level1Techs
Who knew a premium CPU wouldn't run at peak performance using a cheap motherboard. The $130 MSI board will run a 12900k just fine. People need to stop cutting corners and buying trash tier motherboards.
*mismatched components. FTFY.
I wonder how the i5-13600K would go on the Gigabyte?
Look at that 6900XT OC FORMULA Fire Strike graphics score. Smashed the 3090/ti.
Interesting find and video.
Where is the b660 ddr5 video u proposed, our good Sir Mr. Wendell; that would interesting to see. I listened to a 4hr stream by Buildzoid on all 10, 60, and 70 boards; and Yung BZ discourages using ddr5 on anything but z690 due to the exorbitant power requirements on ddr5, specifically stating b660 boards don't appear to be able to deliver. He wasn't testing, however, just reviewing the ads based upon specs and pics; so I'm just sayin some actual testing on some of them would make for some sweet content.
[Wendell's voice] "WooOOOoo"
Zombie posting here.
Love the analytics 👍
However, I can understand taking umbrage with sample sizes as some level of parts lottery may apply to mobos.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
MSI Z690-A Pro should be considered the bar to meet for all LGA1700 boards, it has no trouble feeding a heavily overclocked 12900K(S) and has very good I/O and expansion options. A B660 worth considering is the MSI M-A (DDR4) which has quite a good VRM and sits around the $150 mark, but personally I find all these B660s have a lot of trouble competing with a $180-200 Z690-A Pro.
Why would a cheaper board be expected to compete on the same level as a more expensive board unless you think you should get something for nothing.
Currently running the 13900K on a B660 🤣. But I’m waiting for the new Z790 AORUS Xtreme X motherboard with Wifi 7 and Corsair DDR5 Dominator Titanium 192 GB max and 8000mhz max stuff soo 😆
Hey ! I still have one of those modems ! It was awesome to upgrade from 100 baud to 300 baud back in the day. 🤣
( p.s. I realize a large portion of your viewers will have no idea what I am talking about. )
All pcie slots that aren't mechanically x16 should be open ended.
I like the motherboard roundup format.
not when there are taller components behind the slot.
@@Quettesh yes I suppose ur right there. Someone won't notice the issue and will rma the board when the card doesn't connect or shorts out another component. Fair point.
Tho I would point out that very few standard motherboard components are high enough to obstruct a pcie card.
I wouldn't use the DS3H for anything other than to put a i3 in it for a Kid's PC. ASUS once again comes so close with the Prime series, but just not quite there. From some other reviews the best budget board is the MSI Pro B660.
The audio chipset in the Steel Legend was downgraded after the 400 series, my next board will be the Extreme 4.
Over 200 Watt from such a small surface, it must be glowing red hot in the dark like F1 car brakes.
I used to only run Intel.. I bought the first I.. I was religious about it.. Not a Fanboy but they always had the performance over the years so I went with them.. But I have been on AMD now for I guess 6 years and very happy.. I just did a new Build and went with a 5900X I got it for $350 on sale.. I basically got upgraded from the 5800X that I was going to buy to the 5900X.. I paired it with the 6800XT and I have no regrets.. I have everything tuned in the BIOS for max performance and SAM on and I do very well in 4K gaming now..
It's false advertising if they list the 12900k as supported and can't run it to specs...I'm getting tired of this kind of BS.
in my case I base it on the cpu psu connector, if it has 8 pin +4 pin i7&i9 usage will be great, look for the VRM heatsink too
Is that the new Amazon Echo dot dual-speaker beside the mug?
H570 has more PCI-e lanes but a weaker VRM.
this was before bios update for gigabyte
Level1Techs and Hardware Unboxed speaking the same language.
This same experiment should be done with AMD boards. Can the cheap-ass VRMs on basic A520 boards keep up with the power needs of a 5950X or 5800X3D?
It would be nice to have a good test. If I recall correctly, Hardware Unboxed did look at this some and the results for AMD were pretty good. Maybe it's intel's loose specs that cause it I am not sure but getting a mobo for intel is like navigating a mine field.
Will be interested in AMD AM5 boards when they are coming out.
Acoustic Coupler, must be planning to hack the Pentagon.
thanks
This is not new, but why is the video blurry even at 1080p?
Which of your system boards are not made by Quanta Computer?
it would be nice to see a mini-itx board.
Just an FYI, the DS3H has been terrible in all its forms, we have some "65w" 10700 nonK at work, and they are throttled to something like 3.8Ghz
You can hold it against Asus. When I get a new budget MB which is DoA, it is in most cases Asus. Their budget MBs are trash, the lowest I would go with Asus is TUF series. I rarely use MSI and Gigabyte boards don't bring anything interesting to the table. For many years ASRock brings the most features for the same price and I never had any major issues with them.
Though what you say is true, I have mixed feelings about ASRock boards myself. My Asrock Z97X Killer died rather prematurely, and there were some initial issues with my current Asrock X570 Creator, that I got because of the features. Eventually resolved in later BIOS revisions, but they still haven't released a new BIOS with the latest AGESA update while most others have already. MSI rolled it out to even A320 boards. I'm pretty sure (needs additional testing) it's runs my CPUs hotter than my Asus X470 (also released that newer BIOS) board did. Oddly the Asus B450 strix has an additional bios option that the X470 strix is missing, which is irksome. I haven't personally used a Gigabyte board since AM3, but I'd pick them over MSI. I have built a few systems for others with Gigabyte boards and haven't had any complaints.
What do you think about 99.76 MHz BCLK instead of 100 MHz? Is it new standard?
Is there much difference between this ASRock B660 Pro RS ATX and their mATX version when it comes to the throttling issue and temperature?
No
Would the stock cooler, allow for higher all core turbo because its cooling the VRMs
I was using a b365 motherboard on a i7 9700k. and while it clearly couldn't handle that CPU it still managed for 3 years until I upgraded to Asrock Z370 motherboard. at first I couldn't believe the performance I was getting as it was boosting at speeds I wasn't used too when it was installed on my b365 motherboard. but then I tried to overclock it to 5.0ghz and just using auto voltage..it killed my i7 9700k at 1.34v volts as I was watching HWINFO it suddenly died on me. now im stuck on my old i5 9400f and the z370 that killed my trusty 9700k.
All I can say is i will never us Asrock again. I bought an Asrock for my threadripper 1950x and it had nonstop problems. For example USB would randomly disconnect while downloading vides from my Sony a7s3. Finally after about 2 years the board just died. I replaced it with an Asus and its ran rock solid with USB working ever since. Asrock driver support is horrible too.
Thanks
Would the Asus Prime b660M-A AC D4 slow down the i7-12700f
Why's there a random dial-up telephone... head... thing, I'm not having a functioning brain today, on the desk? And can it dial up to your local BBS?
Where's the Mortar video? 🥺
not sure if it's just me but is the audio very choppy?
Are you sure your CPU was thermal throttling on the ASUS board? What's your R23 score? I run my 12700K without power limits on a Prime Z690M Plus. Power consumption with Cinebench R23 maxes out at about 170 W and that's with VCCSA cranked up in order to get my 4 B-die DIMMs stable at 4000. I don't know why your B660M-A can exceed 200W before it thermal throttles. My CPU stays at 4700 and the score stays around 22800 which is on the high side of what reviewers were getting for the 12700K. I can get the CPU to sustain 250 W with an overclock but that's the limit of my 280 AIO for keeping the CPU below 100 degrees. Back of the board maxes out at 75 degrees in that case.
Am i correct in saying the B660 does not support BCLK 100% setting adjustment, cos i cant find it. I`m using 12400, with the same Gigabyte board you using.
Looks like you where comparing prices of different Asus boards, the ddr4 a plus and the one you had are different. Asus has a bunch of different prime boards with very similar names.
M A d4 vs plus d4
I'm old enough to know that's a modem to the left of the mug.
Asrock b660m steel legend or the Asus tuf b660m-plus wifi?
MSI Pro B660-A or Pro B660M-A handles them all. the rest of B660 seem to be trash. sad failure. MSI is only brand who did B660 right. I guess they learned from X570 failures.
I had a B660M-A WIFI D4. The vrm blew after a month. Asus rma denied the warranty (big surprise). Bought a msi pro z690 and never buying another asus product again.
I have the Gigabyte b660 m dh3 with no wifi , I got ripped it seems lol
Excellent review.
Glad you liked it!
How SLOW can these B660 Motherboards make your CPU?
Asrock: yes
Is the i7-12700F good for the ASUS b660 and can I use the rtx 4070 for it?
Sir what is your PC case test bench ?
So as usual $hitsus cripple hammer strikes.
Wow i thought sapphire had shut down.