HELP SUPPORT THE CHANNEL BY USING THE FOLLOW LINK FOR YOUR APR PURCHASES!!! www.goapr.com/? Both cars were running 91 octane files. I was also informed by the Unitronic tuned RS3 owner that he forgot to turn his traction control all the way off and was running in Sport mode. Upon reviewing the video and noticing ZERO tire spin I can see that was true and that he probably went slower because of it. That seriously sucks......
@@Famous_Flavours ya, that wouldn't have been a fair comparison. The Stage 1+ tune from Uni is calibrated for 93 octane fuel. The Stage 1 tune from APR that this owner was using is calibrated for 91 octane
I'm in awe in how fast this car is stock. It's about 3500 lbs and 400hp. Dynos at about 360 whp. 0-60 in 3.5 and 1/4 in 12 seconds. Its faster than its power to weight ratio. Crazy!
Dude your always so on point with your videos how do you think springs wont effect these runs?? Go lower your car on springs and tell me it isn’t faster it makes such a big difference. Video was great but the springs 100% make a difference.
By the way, the black rs3 sits well with those springs the lower center of gravity could be making a small difference in terms of aerodynamics....I could be wrong though but both cars are flying with just a tune
Close enough, yet Uni doesn’t stress the turbo as much = more reliability. I think the TCU tune makes up for the heavier brakes and wheels. Fair comparison.
Great video my friend i also have one RS3 stage 1 apr 🤣🤣 , always the best videos of RS3 , of course APR is a little bit better than the others but , your car is amazing!! Keep making good videos
Carbon ceramics reduce rotational mass by 64lbs (17 per corner) and I would bet the S5 wheels are a bit heavier than stock RS3 wheels also. Taking that into account the estimated 70lbs rotational mass less on apr along with the unitronic driver not taking traction control off I’m surprised it was still that close. This pushes me toward unitronic even more lol.
@@mik55tv22 LOL. Everything the previous person wrote is accurate. I can verify that the carbon ceramic rotors drop a ton of rotational weight which aids in acceleration. I can also confirm that the S5 wheels are heavier than the RS3 wheels which also contribute to less rotational mass and less un-sprung weight which aids in acceleration.
I wonder how heavy the RS5 wheels on the UNI tuned car are? That in combo with the ceramic brakes on the APR tuned car could be the difference. Would be interesting to see them both on the stock wheels and brakes.
Adam, do it again on E85! BTW, for any APR RS3 guys thinking about the TCU tune....do it! Just did my '18 and also updated from ECU V1.0 to ECU V1.6 at the same time, butt-dyno definite improvement.
I did an APR ecu tune, (Stage1 didn’t require tcu tune), and a K&N filter in the stock box piped to a RKX silicone intake hose, brakes were modified to ceramics pads all around with stock rotors. The car still has stock suspension. The car is still fun and very fast. Planning mods such as a catch can, and larger charge cooler in the future. I do plan to lower it but not aggressively, loving my ride quality and it’s been super reliable 💪🏼👌🏼🙌🏼
Unfortunately Unitronic had a flaw in their tune for cold starts, the Authors in Canada couldn’t modify it and I dealt with it until I had enough of CELs for cylinder 4 & 5 misfires. Now with APR it is smooth as glass and reliable
@@davidsibble7429 any idea if that's an isolated case or a known issue? That's been resolved? I just canceled my apr stage 1 tune appointment because they discontinued stage 2.
Personally i would run APR software ECU and TCU up until stage 2. But Unitronic is still a very solid proven choice. If i were to go stage 3 then it would definitely be IROZ Syvecs and Unitronic TCU tune over APR Stage 3. Cant go wrong with either imo.
The alcantara seats are NOT an upgrade. They are optional but the nappa leather with the stitched door handles is considered the premium option. Alcantara in black with non stitched leather door handles is standard.
Great video Adam, as always! Big lover of the RS3's and your passion for them. I almost purchased one in December at Capilano Audi but after driving one for the first time (crazy I know) I was hugely disappointed in the power compared to my 2016 S3 with APR stage 2 ecu/tcu (yes I am an APR lover so was happy with this video outcome:)). Have never been to Mission but after meeting a good buddy of yours Charles from Richmond in January I just might make it out there this year to see what mine can actually do in real life, not just number talk (another video I very much enjoyed of yours). It would be great to see what mine would do with some of the RS3's you run with...Im sure this will then drive me back to wanting one again...lol. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts. I owned a Stage 2+ 2016 Audi S3. It held the stock turbo, full weight record for over a year and a half in the 1/4 mile. I'm not sure whose RS3 you drove, but completely stock the RS3 is barely slower than a full bolt, stage 2 S3. If you come to the track this year my guess is you will run an 11.8 - 11.9 in your S3. Completely stock RS3's run a 12.0 or 12.1 at Mission. Very, very close in terms of power. Then if you throw on a simple stage 1 tune with no parts being changed on an RS3 the car is noticeably faster than a stage 2 S3. Look forward to having you come out and race with Charles and I this year!
I think the margins are so small that to be completely accurate you either flash same car with both tunes or flash both to stock to see if they are a little different from the factory themselves . Either way great info I’m holding on flashing with only 8k miles on my 19 but I want the stage 1 91 and e85 with tcu from unitronic without mods . Good stuff
Nice vid Adam today being 14.5c you need to do this again with summers on!My RS3 still not tuned yet so?Arin thanks you for this vid!Still on the fence about who I am going to use to tune my car.I am only going to Stage 1+ e85 so keep these vids coming.
You're the 2nd person to tell me it was warmer, lol. When we filmed in the morning it was significantly colder. Everyone will be rolling over to summers shortly so the test results will get better
That's a pretty big difference APR car was spinning for a sec moved out the whole so much harder I have a stage one apr and freaking love it I'm getting ready to stage three 😅
And to think the APR is way safer ...Not even close , At our shop we have yet to see an B9 APR w power train issues , 034 is by far the leader w blown motors .
I know of an APR tuned B9 S4 that suffered engine failure. Only one though. I know you may not want to hear this, but as much as some tuning situations have lead to more and more blown EA839's, there are plenty out there that have failed in one way or another that had nothing to do with being tuned. My buddy that is a tech at an Audi dealership 3 hours away from me has replace a few engines in completely stock B9's.
Those wheels and steel rotors are what is making the 0.10 difference. Unsprung weight is huge and more of a factor in acceleration time than people think.
JB4 is not the same as a tune. Ive had both and its less hp and tq than a tune and overall the tune has a better range of power vs than how a JB4 comes on strong for a shorter range.
@@vroomgc People keep saying that and yet my car (Golf R) with a JB4 is every bit as fast (or faster) than every tune I have come across. All I have is a K&N drop in, IC, and a DP and have run 0-60 in 3.6 and 11.7 and 116. I have yet to see a tuned car with the same mods do better. Accept those with a custom tune where they are really pushing it, and several of those have damaged the engine doing that. So unless you want more than typical stage 2 power getting a tune over a JB4 is pointless. Everyone that says a tune is better bases it off of seat of the pants, but the actual numbers don't back it up. Again unless you have a custom tune which I don't trust. I think this car is plenty fast with just the JB4 and it is very reliable, can't say that about most of the tunes I have seen. This is for a Golf R not RS3 so...
@@ericmichel3857 Well I can only speak for myself because in my Golf R I have used both and the tune I feel has better power over a longer band width. Much smoother drive than a sudden impact of power from the JB4 and that was with a Map2. I get the JB4 and JB1 pov's. Ive been there. I'm just saying the car drives smoother with a tune and gets as good if not better power than a JB piggyback. Btw I have a Stage 1+ Unitronic tune and TCU tune and ya intake , etc. But the most fun mod is my Pedal Commander.. Love that quick off the line response it gives
Maybe we can point out that APR has suspension done - lowered obviously, and the grey car has stock struts/springs likely. Also, it would be great if we can see what tires they're running. Not sure who's TCU is tuned as well with higher redline, which (especially on Turbo car) will help spool up in maximum power range. I believe that engine tune is only one part of the equation to going fast. Your videos are great. I really hate the intro music and the intro.
All of the important things are mentioned in the video as well as the pinned comment. This intro and outro haven't been used for 6 months now. This video is a few years old now.
@@sunghong524 if you're just interested in the B8 stuff I have playlists made of just B8 dynos, B8 hardware installs, B8 drag racing and B8 performance testing.
You still need someone to tune the DS1. It doesn't come tuned for you. They have a TON of cool features they've figured out but I still haven't seen a truly quick or fast RS3 tuned with DS1 software. I'm sure it will happen one day though
Awesome video again, great comparison!! Althought I expected better 0-60 times on these rs3. You are doing, 2.9, 3.1.. My s3 stg2 apr here in Brazil, 28 degrees celsius, doing 3.6! Do you have the times for a stock rs3, with all the original weight? Thanks! I love your content and pleaaaaase bring again the footage showing the gauge and speedometer hehe
My bone stock RS3 does 0-100 kph in 3.8 (0-60 mph in 3.6) and the quarter mile in 11.80 @ 116.5 mph. The winter tires most likely slowed these cars down a bit.
@@MatthewJay80 there are a lot of rs3 running with ethanol blends, sure. But s3 I have not seen yet.. but if you are saying ethanol mixed on pump gas, its more water than that. Unfortunately our pump gas is horrible. We pay 6 - 7 reais (~ 2 dollars before corona) for 98 octane fuel and sometimes get a 93, because its mixed with water.. we struggle to get good dyno numbers due to our fuel...
What is one's best gas solution for wanting to run 93 octane map when 94 octane E10-15 is not available anywhere i live..... Heck we only have 91 Octane here in Nova Scotia and according to Pure-gas they are all also ethanol free here. I was going to stop at Eurocharged in Toronto and get the RS3 tuned on the 91 gas there before coming home since it might be the safest solution for me to run a safest level of tune that matches our gas instead of flashing with Unitronics and hoping for the best. I ran 94 Octane Husky in my Evo IX when I was on Vancouver Island which had 15% ethanol content and made 347whp on that particular gas, it was when Husky pulled out and i was left with Chevron's E0 94 octane i started pulling crazy timings and had to remotely remapped the tune.
If you have the opportunity to get Eurocharged to tune your car, toss in 91 with a blend of 15% to 20% E85. That should bring your octane level high enough that they could provide you a custom 93 map.
APR always has a slight edge on other tuners the Dyno numbers are always higher with APR especially torque but im what wondering if the APR car had stage 1 high tq or low tq because there's a big difference in power between the 2 and is the Unitronic car stage 1 or stage 1+ or stage 2
The issue with this run is mentioned in the pinned comment. The Unitronic car didn't turn his traction control off which led it to withholding some of its power off launch, preventing wheelspin and slowing it down. Sucks that the owner of the Uni car f$cked up. They were both running 91 octane tunes. APR high torque Stage 1 91 and Unitronic Stage 1 91.
Ceramics are much lighter than steel ones, plus it's rotating mass which makes huge impact in times. Cars are identical but Unitronic would be faster if they swap brakes/wheel setups
Hey Van city audi, I got a couple of questions. Do you know what difference it makes in time when launching in sport mode vs launching with both traction and ESC off? Which is faster? And also, when launching, is it better/faster to hold RPM and build boost or let go right away?
Traction ON VS traction in Sport mode VS traction OFF makes a massive difference in how well your car accelerates. I swear by traction control being fully off and then launching with less boost as the most effective way to launch a stock turbo car on the street. If you watch my drag racing videos I show my POV and you can see the dash. You can see exactly how I launched my car which netted me some of the quickest 60ft times in the world in a stock turbo RS3.
@@VancityAudi thanks for the comment, appreciate it. Yeah, I just watched some vids of you launching the RS3 and you seem to let off right away. I'll keep that in mind when I launch next time. I was initially under the impression that waiting till max boost was built would result in better times
How in the world are you getting any traction ^_^ .. I'm on stage 1 tune/tcu tune with the horrible P 0 tires, and all 4 of my wheels are spinning all the way into 3rd gear.
@@VancityAudi it was just the car making more power in cold weather, on cold back roads without optimal tires. Florida sunshine came out, it spins a tiny bit but hooks up now quicker. Can defiantly feel it pulled power in the hot summer heat.
@@VancityAudi perfect! Also this is very picky but there could have been an aftermarket panel filter in the air box as I have in mine, with a map can make a 10-15 hp difference over standard
@@robbiemarshall1481 Thank you very much! I do my best to always make it as equal as I can and as transparent as I can for the viewers. Thanks for watching!
I just found out that you are right! The Unitronic tuned owner realized after the fact that his traction control was in Sport on the 2nd run. Great eye!
Does unitronic or apr add extra burbles/pops on downshifts on stage 1? Im trying to decide between one of them but im looking for just a tiny bit more pops or burbles.
@@VancityAudi Haha, thats alright! Im no fan of obnoxious pops either. I really like the way the car pops once or twice even when 100% stock, but it only happens at lower revs around 1500-2000rpm. I would love it if it happened at higher rpms aswell like the prefacelift did!
😂 As mentioned in the pinned comment, both cars were in Sport mode, which means that both transmissions were shifting on their own according to what the tuning dictates.
Vancity Audi thanks for the reply. Is new west north side better or coop. I heard coop’s flex fuel use 87 octane. North side is almost double the price
@@AwC37 For your purposes CO-OP FlexFuel should be fine. It has tested as low as E55 and upwards of E70. Just be careful to test it before you start blending it down to E15
I must say that the unitronics rs3 with s5 wheels has a lot more rotational mass as well because s5 wheels weight is 34lbs vs oem rs3 wheels at 21lbs that makes a big difference too
Where did you find the weight of the RS3 wheels only weighing 21lbs? I've never heard of that before. I agree that the S5 wheels weigh more though and combined with the steel brakes compared to the carbon ceramic brakes is probably the difference.
@@VancityAudi I got a set of rs3 wheels on my s3 I weighted them before I installed the tires but you can also google rs3 wheel weight it will show you as well
@@VancityAudi I have a set of OEM wheels without the tires right now. I have weighed it to be 13kg (28 lbs each). Weighing without tire is most accurate way.
@@khvidtube1617 the OEM wheels from an RS3? Are they the same style as the ones in this video? 28lbs seems more likely to me but as you can see above, another viewer claims they are 21lbs each.
@@GLA45Amg716 yes, you can see the power differences on their website. The full tilt Stage 1 93 tune that this car was running does not include a warranty. Only the less powerful version which they call APR Plus does
@@VancityAudi close enough, just splitting hairs I guess 🤷🏼♂️ Cool video! I like seeing comparisons like this. Or before and after tuning results,keep them coming 🤙🏼
@@mcwendel8066 Ya, I always try and make the videos as even a playing field as possible but some just don't work out. And I agree with you. At Stage 1, pump gas power levels the tunes are very, very similar in terms of performance
I used to be quite annoying. I see that now after all these years. I've tamed down a bunch and am not nearly as jacked up as I used to be in my videos now a-days.
Once this whole COVID 19 pandemic is dealt with and under control I'll be making more Vancity Audi swag for those of you that have been messaging me. Thanks for the support!
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Both cars were running 91 octane files. I was also informed by the Unitronic tuned RS3 owner that he forgot to turn his traction control all the way off and was running in Sport mode. Upon reviewing the video and noticing ZERO tire spin I can see that was true and that he probably went slower because of it. That seriously sucks......
I’m guessing the Unitronic Stage 1+ would give him the edge without adding any extra parts to the car?
@@Famous_Flavours ya, that wouldn't have been a fair comparison. The Stage 1+ tune from Uni is calibrated for 93 octane fuel. The Stage 1 tune from APR that this owner was using is calibrated for 91 octane
For sure! It would be super interesting to repeat this test with a stage 1+ to see the difference 🤔
@@Famous_Flavours don't you worry! I'm already working on it
Vancity Audi I hear a “Re-match”. Traction control on!? Come on guy!
Doing this comparison again in a couple of months with summer tires would be very interesting. Great video!👍
I'm in awe in how fast this car is stock. It's about 3500 lbs and 400hp. Dynos at about 360 whp. 0-60 in 3.5 and 1/4 in 12 seconds. Its faster than its power to weight ratio. Crazy!
One of the greatest modern audis ever, wish I could afford one
You'd be surprised by how much those carbon ceramics help. Thanks for the content.
That and the heavier wheels on the Unitronic tuned RS3 made the difference if I had to guess.
Yes what Brian Saxton said. It’s a big savings in weight.
carbon ceramics, lighter wheels (?) and H&R (less drag).
Dude your always so on point with your videos how do you think springs wont effect these runs?? Go lower your car on springs and tell me it isn’t faster it makes such a big difference. Video was great but the springs 100% make a difference.
3.4-3.5 seconds for 0-60mph is super car range. Imagine with stage 2, 93 octane dat reliability in a sleeper like this 🤗
Not anymore. Anyway, 0-60 using the American standard method (1 ft rollout) for these cars is 3.2.
@@christophermorales1509 so if it was stage 2 tuned could it beat a model 3 performance off the line ?
@@shelbyhaiketic4212full stage 2 on 18’ no rear set they can hit 3.0-2.9 0-60 officially Gased channel you’ll see check the VOXBOX scores
By the way, the black rs3 sits well with those springs the lower center of gravity could be making a small difference in terms of aerodynamics....I could be wrong though but both cars are flying with just a tune
Better suspension can easily knock 8 seconds off a lap time it makes a huge difference
Close enough, yet Uni doesn’t stress the turbo as much = more reliability. I think the TCU tune makes up for the heavier brakes and wheels. Fair comparison.
Unitronic is reliable. Apr tends to push the numbers higher than anything else out there that isn't "custom" tunes
Apr ftw, I've used them for all my cars and always had great results.
Great video my friend i also have one RS3 stage 1 apr 🤣🤣 , always the best videos of RS3 , of course APR is a little bit better than the others but , your car is amazing!! Keep making good videos
Carbon ceramics reduce rotational mass by 64lbs (17 per corner) and I would bet the S5 wheels are a bit heavier than stock RS3 wheels also. Taking that into account the estimated 70lbs rotational mass less on apr along with the unitronic driver not taking traction control off I’m surprised it was still that close. This pushes me toward unitronic even more lol.
Not one thing true about what you said my friend
@@mik55tv22 LOL. Everything the previous person wrote is accurate. I can verify that the carbon ceramic rotors drop a ton of rotational weight which aids in acceleration. I can also confirm that the S5 wheels are heavier than the RS3 wheels which also contribute to less rotational mass and less un-sprung weight which aids in acceleration.
@@VancityAudi thanks for the backup not sure why the guy said I was wrong lol 🤷🏼♂️
@@zrayne9707 one word.... ignorance.
I wonder how heavy the RS5 wheels on the UNI tuned car are? That in combo with the ceramic brakes on the APR tuned car could be the difference. Would be interesting to see them both on the stock wheels and brakes.
I didn’t even see that the black car had CCBs, great catch!
Adam, do it again on E85! BTW, for any APR RS3 guys thinking about the TCU tune....do it! Just did my '18 and also updated from ECU V1.0 to ECU V1.6 at the same time, butt-dyno definite improvement.
Easier said then done. I need an actual E85 tuned - Stage 1 car to do these comparisons. No one locally is using those tunes.
Geez, I just got a Unitronic tune for my older ‘14 C7 Supercharged A6 and loving my Stage 1+😃
I've got a c7 a7. Is it still running well for you? Did you do ecu and tcu? What other mods do you have?
I did an APR ecu tune, (Stage1 didn’t require tcu tune), and a K&N filter in the stock box piped to a RKX silicone intake hose, brakes were modified to ceramics pads all around with stock rotors. The car still has stock suspension. The car is still fun and very fast. Planning mods such as a catch can, and larger charge cooler in the future. I do plan to lower it but not aggressively, loving my ride quality and it’s been super reliable 💪🏼👌🏼🙌🏼
@@davidsibble7429 wait. You said apr. I thought you had unitronic?
Unfortunately Unitronic had a flaw in their tune for cold starts, the Authors in Canada couldn’t modify it and I dealt with it until I had enough of CELs for cylinder 4 & 5 misfires. Now with APR it is smooth as glass and reliable
@@davidsibble7429 any idea if that's an isolated case or a known issue? That's been resolved? I just canceled my apr stage 1 tune appointment because they discontinued stage 2.
Personally i would run APR software ECU and TCU up until stage 2. But Unitronic is still a very solid proven choice. If i were to go stage 3 then it would definitely be IROZ Syvecs and Unitronic TCU tune over APR Stage 3. Cant go wrong with either imo.
What’s wrong with APR stage 3?
Best videos you upload love them both tuners are great !! I run Apr on all my cars never missed a beat!
Thanks!
Do you need a TCU tune if you're running APR tune for a 2018 RS3?
@@is4life862 They tell you that you don't 'need' the TCU tune to match but your car will certainly perform better with it I would imagine.
@@VancityAudi Thanks for the info.
The alcantara seats are NOT an upgrade. They are optional but the nappa leather with the stitched door handles is considered the premium option. Alcantara in black with non stitched leather door handles is standard.
Loved my 15 Golf R stage 1.5 & 2 Unitronic. Intake, AWE Switchpath exhaust. Then APR Downpipe for stage 2.
And thanks for shouting your video at us! Now I’m just deaf and mildly smarter about APR tunes. Lmao
Wow, if you think I was shouting in this video I can only imagine what you would think about some of my other videos where I get super amped up, lol
Interested to see a DS1 tuning comparision
Great video Adam, as always!
Big lover of the RS3's and your passion for them. I almost purchased one in December at Capilano Audi but after driving one for the first time (crazy I know) I was hugely disappointed in the power compared to my 2016 S3 with APR stage 2 ecu/tcu (yes I am an APR lover so was happy with this video outcome:)). Have never been to Mission but after meeting a good buddy of yours Charles from Richmond in January I just might make it out there this year to see what mine can actually do in real life, not just number talk (another video I very much enjoyed of yours). It would be great to see what mine would do with some of the RS3's you run with...Im sure this will then drive me back to wanting one again...lol.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts. I owned a Stage 2+ 2016 Audi S3. It held the stock turbo, full weight record for over a year and a half in the 1/4 mile. I'm not sure whose RS3 you drove, but completely stock the RS3 is barely slower than a full bolt, stage 2 S3. If you come to the track this year my guess is you will run an 11.8 - 11.9 in your S3. Completely stock RS3's run a 12.0 or 12.1 at Mission. Very, very close in terms of power. Then if you throw on a simple stage 1 tune with no parts being changed on an RS3 the car is noticeably faster than a stage 2 S3. Look forward to having you come out and race with Charles and I this year!
Good comparison. It would be really fun to see each stage compared.
Thanks. I'm trying to line up more of them
@@VancityAudi integrated engineering would be cool. I run a jb4, not sure how it stacks up against a flash
I think the margins are so small that to be completely accurate you either flash same car with both tunes or flash both to stock to see if they are a little different from the factory themselves . Either way great info I’m holding on flashing with only 8k miles on my 19 but I want the stage 1 91 and e85 with tcu from unitronic without mods . Good stuff
Nice vid Adam today being 14.5c you need to do this again with summers on!My RS3 still not tuned yet so?Arin thanks you for this vid!Still on the fence about who I am going to use to tune my car.I am only going to Stage 1+ e85 so keep these vids coming.
You're the 2nd person to tell me it was warmer, lol. When we filmed in the morning it was significantly colder. Everyone will be rolling over to summers shortly so the test results will get better
That's a pretty big difference APR car was spinning for a sec moved out the whole so much harder I have a stage one apr and freaking love it I'm getting ready to stage three 😅
Please ready the pinned comment
And to think the APR is way safer ...Not even close , At our shop we have yet to see an B9 APR w power train issues , 034 is by far the leader w blown motors .
I know of an APR tuned B9 S4 that suffered engine failure. Only one though. I know you may not want to hear this, but as much as some tuning situations have lead to more and more blown EA839's, there are plenty out there that have failed in one way or another that had nothing to do with being tuned. My buddy that is a tech at an Audi dealership 3 hours away from me has replace a few engines in completely stock B9's.
You need to do a test using Stage 3!
There are no Stage 3 APR cars near me. Sorry.
But trap speeds were almost the same - power wise probably not much difference in it. Love the vids man!
They were both so close. If the Uni car had carbon ceramics as well I think it would have been virtually the same or the Uni car .01 faster haha
Those wheels and steel rotors are what is making the 0.10 difference. Unsprung weight is huge and more of a factor in acceleration time than people think.
That and the fact that the Unitronic car didn't have traction control turned all the way off, as I mentioned in my pinned comment.
@@VancityAudi Ahh, that'll do it too!
What will really be surprising is when you get someone with a JB4, cheaper, removable/transferable, and also gives the same performance.
JB4 is not the same as a tune. Ive had both and its less hp and tq than a tune and overall the tune has a better range of power vs than how a JB4 comes on strong for a shorter range.
@@vroomgc People keep saying that and yet my car (Golf R) with a JB4 is every bit as fast (or faster) than every tune I have come across. All I have is a K&N drop in, IC, and a DP and have run 0-60 in 3.6 and 11.7 and 116. I have yet to see a tuned car with the same mods do better. Accept those with a custom tune where they are really pushing it, and several of those have damaged the engine doing that. So unless you want more than typical stage 2 power getting a tune over a JB4 is pointless. Everyone that says a tune is better bases it off of seat of the pants, but the actual numbers don't back it up. Again unless you have a custom tune which I don't trust. I think this car is plenty fast with just the JB4 and it is very reliable, can't say that about most of the tunes I have seen. This is for a Golf R not RS3 so...
@@ericmichel3857 Well I can only speak for myself because in my Golf R I have used both and the tune I feel has better power over a longer band width. Much smoother drive than a sudden impact of power from the JB4 and that was with a Map2. I get the JB4 and JB1 pov's. Ive been there. I'm just saying the car drives smoother with a tune and gets as good if not better power than a JB piggyback. Btw I have a Stage 1+ Unitronic tune and TCU tune and ya intake , etc. But the most fun mod is my Pedal Commander.. Love that quick off the line response it gives
@@vroomgc I have the BMS pedal tuner and I agree it is a great modification.
@@ericmichel3857 Yes and also the rear sway bar is another great ride mod.
NICE VIDEO, however a comparison of APR STAGE2 Vs UNITRONIC STAGE2, would be intresting.. ;)
I agree. If I can find a local APR - Stage 2 car I will be happy to show you all that comparison as well
Muy buen canal, excelentes videos, sigue así muchas felicidades 👍 !!
¡Muchas gracias! ¡Gracias por ver!
I've got a Draggy valid 3.37 0-60 on a REVO stage 1 on 99 octane (ron) I believe that's the equivalent of 94 octane US.
We aren't using 94 octane US gas. We are using 94 octane Canadian gas from British Columbia. It makes horrible power unless blended with some E85.
@@VancityAudi Doesn't Canada use AKI for octane measurement? 99 RON = 94 AKI
@@samspencer922 Yes Canada uses AKI . I know that 97 RON is 91 AKI. I thought 99 ron was 93 aki
Maybe we can point out that APR has suspension done - lowered obviously, and the grey car has stock struts/springs likely. Also, it would be great if we can see what tires they're running. Not sure who's TCU is tuned as well with higher redline, which (especially on Turbo car) will help spool up in maximum power range. I believe that engine tune is only one part of the equation to going fast. Your videos are great. I really hate the intro music and the intro.
All of the important things are mentioned in the video as well as the pinned comment. This intro and outro haven't been used for 6 months now. This video is a few years old now.
@@VancityAudi Sorry. I'm just trying to catch up with B8.5 which I'm interested in.
Good for you though. Moving forward and all.
@@sunghong524 if you're just interested in the B8 stuff I have playlists made of just B8 dynos, B8 hardware installs, B8 drag racing and B8 performance testing.
You have some great content mate, I’ve Sub’d early, remember me when you have 100k... it’ll happen ;)
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words and your support!
Vanity Audi bring more comparisons please maybe S3s this time
Great idea! I'll ask around in my local community to see if I can find a tuned S3 to compare
Fuck yes. My unitronic is better than my old Apr tune
I’d gladly contribute with my S3 but pity I’m all the way on the opposite end of the globe
Both cars trapped 117 mph... About as equal a comparison as you can get. MPH is indicative of HP. ;)
Agreed. At this power level they both are making roughly the same power and are extremely close in terms of performance in my opinion.
What do you think about DS1 VS unitronic? It's way more cheaper and has a lot of functions
You still need someone to tune the DS1. It doesn't come tuned for you. They have a TON of cool features they've figured out but I still haven't seen a truly quick or fast RS3 tuned with DS1 software. I'm sure it will happen one day though
Really good times man
Apr guy should have there tcu tune too makes huge difference
If I manage to find another local APR tuned RS3, I hope they have both their ECU and TCU tuned next time.
Stage 2 racingline oem vs unitronic stage 2 who is better for gti 5?
Unitronic typically tunes softer for reliability sake.
Black rs3 and the driver! Gimmie his stick shift baby
Ummmmm, you do realize the drivers are not shifting right? The cars are in Sport mode where they shift automatically
Nardo Grey is beautiful
Awesome video again, great comparison!! Althought I expected better 0-60 times on these rs3. You are doing, 2.9, 3.1.. My s3 stg2 apr here in Brazil, 28 degrees celsius, doing 3.6! Do you have the times for a stock rs3, with all the original weight? Thanks! I love your content and pleaaaaase bring again the footage showing the gauge and speedometer hehe
I have seen stock, full weight RS3's run 3.9 seconds 0 to 100km/h and 12.0 seconds in the 1/4 mile here in Vancouver, Canada.
My bone stock RS3 does 0-100 kph in 3.8 (0-60 mph in 3.6) and the quarter mile in 11.80 @ 116.5 mph.
The winter tires most likely slowed these cars down a bit.
Paulo Gilberto yeah, but Brazil uses a lot of Ethanol
@@Zeruel82Mk2 thats great! Close to what those stg1 are doing
@@MatthewJay80 there are a lot of rs3 running with ethanol blends, sure. But s3 I have not seen yet.. but if you are saying ethanol mixed on pump gas, its more water than that. Unfortunately our pump gas is horrible. We pay 6 - 7 reais (~ 2 dollars before corona) for 98 octane fuel and sometimes get a 93, because its mixed with water.. we struggle to get good dyno numbers due to our fuel...
Yas! To these comparison
Some solid 0-60 times. I cant get mine under 4.5 😂
They have that sneaky, sneaky AWD advantage, haha
@@VancityAudi might have to upgrade one day 😁
What are you using for the times 0-60 and 1/4 mile?
Dragy
What is one's best gas solution for wanting to run 93 octane map when 94 octane E10-15 is not available anywhere i live..... Heck we only have 91 Octane here in Nova Scotia and according to Pure-gas they are all also ethanol free here. I was going to stop at Eurocharged in Toronto and get the RS3 tuned on the 91 gas there before coming home since it might be the safest solution for me to run a safest level of tune that matches our gas instead of flashing with Unitronics and hoping for the best.
I ran 94 Octane Husky in my Evo IX when I was on Vancouver Island which had 15% ethanol content and made 347whp on that particular gas, it was when Husky pulled out and i was left with Chevron's E0 94 octane i started pulling crazy timings and had to remotely remapped the tune.
If you have the opportunity to get Eurocharged to tune your car, toss in 91 with a blend of 15% to 20% E85. That should bring your octane level high enough that they could provide you a custom 93 map.
Is there a update on the two with summer tires and traction control fully off
They both have performed more modifications and are no longer at the same performance level.
Did you ever do a rematch with 93octane?
No we didn't. The APR car owner continued modding his car and the Unitronic car owner did not, so the comparison wouldn't be apples to apples anymore.
APR always has a slight edge on other tuners the Dyno numbers are always higher with APR especially torque but im what wondering if the APR car had stage 1 high tq or low tq because there's a big difference in power between the 2 and is the Unitronic car stage 1 or stage 1+ or stage 2
The issue with this run is mentioned in the pinned comment. The Unitronic car didn't turn his traction control off which led it to withholding some of its power off launch, preventing wheelspin and slowing it down. Sucks that the owner of the Uni car f$cked up. They were both running 91 octane tunes. APR high torque Stage 1 91 and Unitronic Stage 1 91.
So the uni wasn’t stage 1+?
Ceramics are much lighter than steel ones, plus it's rotating mass which makes huge impact in times.
Cars are identical but Unitronic would be faster if they swap brakes/wheel setups
Hey Van city audi, I got a couple of questions. Do you know what difference it makes in time when launching in sport mode vs launching with both traction and ESC off? Which is faster? And also, when launching, is it better/faster to hold RPM and build boost or let go right away?
Traction ON VS traction in Sport mode VS traction OFF makes a massive difference in how well your car accelerates. I swear by traction control being fully off and then launching with less boost as the most effective way to launch a stock turbo car on the street. If you watch my drag racing videos I show my POV and you can see the dash. You can see exactly how I launched my car which netted me some of the quickest 60ft times in the world in a stock turbo RS3.
@@VancityAudi thanks for the comment, appreciate it. Yeah, I just watched some vids of you launching the RS3 and you seem to let off right away. I'll keep that in mind when I launch next time. I was initially under the impression that waiting till max boost was built would result in better times
@@hellakray8514 Most people don't have the tires or the setup to be able to handle max boost on street launches.
7c? where? i was just on my bike and it was 15 in langley and aldergrove
Much earlier in the morning it was
APR is king.
King of what exactly?
Hi ! What fuel are they running 91 or 93 octane.
They were both running our horrible ethanol free, 94 octane fuel blended with a few liters of E85.
How in the world are you getting any traction ^_^ .. I'm on stage 1 tune/tcu tune with the horrible P 0 tires, and all 4 of my wheels are spinning all the way into 3rd gear.
Perhaps your haldex pump is clogged? When the filter is blocked they spin like crazy.
@@VancityAudi it was just the car making more power in cold weather, on cold back roads without optimal tires. Florida sunshine came out, it spins a tiny bit but hooks up now quicker. Can defiantly feel it pulled power in the hot summer heat.
@@jonathantrumpower9316 glad to hear it
What's the app they were using to time the runs ?
Dragy
How much fuel did each car have? That could easily made the difference
One was around 2/3, the other around 3/4. Very, very close
@@VancityAudi perfect! Also this is very picky but there could have been an aftermarket panel filter in the air box as I have in mine, with a map can make a 10-15 hp difference over standard
@@robbiemarshall1481 Both of them were and are using the OEM filters.
@@VancityAudi very thorough! Good job and good content loving it thanks!
@@robbiemarshall1481 Thank you very much! I do my best to always make it as equal as I can and as transparent as I can for the viewers. Thanks for watching!
Nardo RS3 didn’t have traction fully off?
He was supposed to! Lol
I just found out that you are right! The Unitronic tuned owner realized after the fact that his traction control was in Sport on the 2nd run. Great eye!
Does unitronic or apr add extra burbles/pops on downshifts on stage 1? Im trying to decide between one of them but im looking for just a tiny bit more pops or burbles.
Sadly I'm of no use to you there. I LOATHE pops, bangs and crackles so I've never looked into this. Sorry.
@@VancityAudi Haha, thats alright! Im no fan of obnoxious pops either. I really like the way the car pops once or twice even when 100% stock, but it only happens at lower revs around 1500-2000rpm. I would love it if it happened at higher rpms aswell like the prefacelift did!
Are these non quattro versions?
Great video until you mentioned about being covid compliant... FFS
Please explain what a non quattro version is, lol
@@VancityAudi are they 'all wheel' drive?
@@lloydb248 There is no such thing as a non-AWD RS3
Black car needs to learn to shift at higher revs, sounded like he was cruising with the family.
😂 As mentioned in the pinned comment, both cars were in Sport mode, which means that both transmissions were shifting on their own according to what the tuning dictates.
Shame you dont have time 0-100km/h
Just add 0.2 seconds from the 0-60 times and you have a close estimate.
What ethanol % do you recommend for 91 Unitronic file, stuck in vancouver as well :(
Chevron 94 mixed with 15% ethanol is good for the stage 1+ and stage 1 files from Unitronic
Vancity Audi thanks for the reply. Is new west north side better or coop. I heard coop’s flex fuel use 87 octane. North side is almost double the price
@@AwC37 For your purposes CO-OP FlexFuel should be fine. It has tested as low as E55 and upwards of E70. Just be careful to test it before you start blending it down to E15
Unitronic is just more conservative I feel like that alr car is going to blow up
It's not more conservative at all. The APR car isn't going to blow up either. The reason for the results are explained in the pinned comment.
@@VancityAudi that I did not see thank you
@@VancityAudi also do you know if you can run 93 on a stage 1 uni tune
@@asiansauce7988 no problemo. Yes, Unitronic makes a 91, 93 and E60-E85 tune for Stage 1.
I must say that the unitronics rs3 with s5 wheels has a lot more rotational mass as well because s5 wheels weight is 34lbs vs oem rs3 wheels at 21lbs that makes a big difference too
Where did you find the weight of the RS3 wheels only weighing 21lbs? I've never heard of that before. I agree that the S5 wheels weigh more though and combined with the steel brakes compared to the carbon ceramic brakes is probably the difference.
@@VancityAudi I got a set of rs3 wheels on my s3 I weighted them before I installed the tires but you can also google rs3 wheel weight it will show you as well
@@psagan27 crazy. I had no idea they were that light.
@@VancityAudi
I have a set of OEM wheels without the tires right now. I have weighed it to be 13kg (28 lbs each). Weighing without tire is most accurate way.
@@khvidtube1617 the OEM wheels from an RS3? Are they the same style as the ones in this video? 28lbs seems more likely to me but as you can see above, another viewer claims they are 21lbs each.
Damn APR wins
Get the TCU from APR and repeat.
I'm workin' on it!
@@VancityAudi Awesome....I'm waiting with bated breath....should be cool test.
You can get a warranty with APR.
And when you chose that option you aren't making the same amount of power as you are in the cars in this video.
@@VancityAudi oh really ?
@@GLA45Amg716 yes, you can see the power differences on their website. The full tilt Stage 1 93 tune that this car was running does not include a warranty. Only the less powerful version which they call APR Plus does
APR doesn’t even have the tcu tune, probably would’ve been quicker
Just like the Uni car would have been with the traction control off, haha. Sucks that it wasn't as even a comparison as I hoped it was.
@@VancityAudi close enough, just splitting hairs I guess 🤷🏼♂️ Cool video! I like seeing comparisons like this. Or before and after tuning results,keep them coming 🤙🏼
@@mcwendel8066 Ya, I always try and make the videos as even a playing field as possible but some just don't work out. And I agree with you. At Stage 1, pump gas power levels the tunes are very, very similar in terms of performance
Why is it I can’t find no performance shit for audis
You're clearly not looking in the right spot then. It's a Google search away.
anyone still use revo for chunes?
I'm honestly not sure. I don't know of anyone locally that is tuned by Revo.
You have to get the same driver.....
We couldn't... COVID. I wasn't about to go in someone else's car during this pandemic.
apr is king...cmon
Decent comparison but the channel host is quite annoying in my opinion.
I used to be quite annoying. I see that now after all these years. I've tamed down a bunch and am not nearly as jacked up as I used to be in my videos now a-days.
@@VancityAudi I’ll have to check out some newer videos.
Wy are you yelling in this video
I get really excited while filming these comparisons. My apologies for yelling too much.
So much noise for nothing. My silent Tesla M3P is faster and doesn’t scare any 🦅 😂😂
And also has no soul 🤣
@@VancityAudi Agreed 👍🏻 that’s why I also have a M4 in the garage with full MPE exhaust 😁
@@josefinkjellsson7051 sick
make shorter vids, less talking.
Who are these clowns?
Your channel will grow, but please, stop screaming in the freaking microphone, camera, phone or whatever, you are so loud and annoying its insane...
those hats for sale yet?? still hoping for a VAC merch one day
Once this whole COVID 19 pandemic is dealt with and under control I'll be making more Vancity Audi swag for those of you that have been messaging me. Thanks for the support!
Terrible times for stage 1.