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A Brief History Of The Nomai Timeline
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2020
- In this video I slowly make myself intensely sad thinking about the Nomai timeline. Even though the Nomai did achieve their goal. And something much more important. Its just sad to see what happened to them. Still though, they deserve the attention.
"On dark bramble, nothing happened because that place is *scary* " - The Lore Explorer
Also, the Nomai story _is_ really sad. The thing that made me the most sad, I think, is that I couldn't tell Solanum all the things I've done and discovered :(
How is their story sad? Human species story is sad, we'll all go extinct on this rock. The Nomai were able to explore and know the universe, one nomai even made it to the end of the universe and back. I teared up at the finale, such a beautiful and hopeful moment, just a few buds watching the universe wink out and singing the song that creates the new one, completing a cycle and promise that we can never know how long it goes on for.
Right. they were able to explore the universe. Then it was ripped from them and they became stranded. Then, they worked so hard for a goal in which they failed. Then shortly after they failed they died. Seems super sad to me. Also, there is no "back" from the end of the universe. Hopefully they were able to survive it through the eye though. And end up in the next one, but that is no guarantee.
I think it's bittersweet. The Nomai kept overcoming adversity, but were wiped out by a freak event. However, they ultimately succeeded by paving the way for the Hearthian(s), and at least Solanum (or a quantum version) was there at the end. Regardless, it is an incredibly moving, well-told story.
@@TheLoreExplorer next one?
I wonder myself, did they just run out of time getting the statues in Ash Twin Project for everyone, or at least someone who could send a warning (and knowledge) back?
Also ultimately why does the sun go supernova? If not due to Sun Project, then why? (It actually worked! 9 million times it did.)
The exotic matter was there for some time. And we also see the Orbital Probe Cannon fire - who fired it? If it's a computer, then...
The whole setting he makes only makes sense if the Exotic Matter disaster happened during those 22 minutes and caused their signalling to fail, but not masks and somehow didn't (or didn't always) kill Hearthians... That would be some cosmically bad luck. Or comically bad oversight - even a computer (put inside Ash Twin Project) could detect all Nomai dying of something and signal to abort the project. (Much like they got Orbital Probe Cannon to fire.)
I think the timeline is much less linear than this guy leads us to believe. It's like everything is overlapping or moving, just like the quantum stuff (the statues work by superposition?)... Or we're not seeing every timeline. (e.g. one where Gabbro does not get lost on Giant Deep... though that can be explained by him losing the shuttle before pairing with statue)
I like how you just modded a shitton of solanums everywhere for footage
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@@zanesnep uhhhh no
@@iCore7Gaming uh yes
@@iCore7Gaming l
Only after I read the writing in the Ash Twin core did I realize how genius the Ash Twin project really was. I mean, creating a supernova to send information back in time, allowing them to infinitely fire a scout pod to search for the eye is the most clever thing I've ever heard.
Немного поздновато, но все же. Мне казалось, что они создают что то новое просто из любопытства, и Око Вселенной это просто ещё одна вещь, которая их интересует. Я думал что они часто его обсуждают потому что не могут найти объяснение, но оказалось что все, что они делали, было посвящено поиску Ока Вселенной, это была их дань уважения в честь номаи их клана, многие из которых погибли в попытках найти Око...
...when they couldve just placed a scout on the north pole of the quantum moon at the sixth location and then track its location to the eye of the universe...
Really I feel the lesson of the Nomai is the same lesson any hikers or really anyone travelling on their own should know: It doesn't matter how excited or how in a hurry you are, always tell people where the fuck you're going lol.
This is true. If Escall only listened to Filix.
My understanding is that the observatories didn't malfunction when looking for the Eye, but rather the Eye actually *did* exist in all of those places at the same time (as is the nature of quantum objects).
Or it was scanning for all possible places
The only issue with this interpretation is that when a quantum object is interacted with it chooses a location. It would have made more sense if every time you look for the eye it's position changed.
Nice theory, shame Echoes of the Eye debunks it
@@Herrscher-of-Autism oh good to know! I still need to play it
Now we know why they couldn't find it again
I really do love how they went to the trouble of making the White Hole station instead of a fcking guard rail. Perfect over-engineering.
The one thing I object to, is the idea that Dark Bramble _actively_ attacked the Nomai upon arrival. Even if DB is sentient (up for debate), there's no indication that the vines can move fast enough to do such things. Tektite mentions the Dark Bramble Seed on Timber Hearth "put down roots in a hurry", but that seems more on the order of days or weeks (according to other Hearthian logs), rather than minutes or seconds. Still incredibly fast by plant standards, but not "movement visible to the naked eye" fast. Note that the vines of the seed, and the vines in DB itself, don't move at ALL over the course of the 22-minute time loop.
The impression I got about what happened, is that when the Vessel teleported and ended up in DB, it _overlapped_ with the vines, effectively causing a self-telefrag. In their confusion, the Nomai believed they were being actively attacked, and the vines being overlapped with the ship's matter would have definitely caused the Vessel to be "mortally wounded" and start "dying", but I don't think the DB vines were actively, visibly twitching outside as they were evacuating. Likewise, the failed launch of Escape Pod 4 could be attributed to a vine _just happening to intersect_ that section of the Vessel, rather than a vine _actively, consciously_ holding it back.
One part that's up for debate, though, would be Escape Pod 3's fate. If DB _is_ "sentient", could it possibly control where its pod exits lead to, perhaps? I believe ingame, the exit of Vessel's Tomb just leads straight out of DB entirely, but since 3 never left at all, perhaps there was another seed node at the time leading to another place, that ended up being Escape Pod 3's Tomb, while Pods 1 and 2 managed to launch in the direction of the true exit...
Its written somewhere in the vessel. It was something along the lines of "as soon as we got here the vines started to fuse with the ship."The ship didnt just break immediately. (which is what would of happened if it tried to appear where stuff already is. Instead it took time for the vessel to be damaged. 3 escape pods managed to fire before the vessel died. And the mural in the temporary city depicts the vines attacking escape pod 3. like literally reaching out for it. Also, in the alpha bramble visibly moves.
Hm. I mean, as far as the difference in time, we are talking about the evolution of an entire species here. Maybe the majority of Dark Bramble is simply dead by the time the game starts? Maybe the angler fish have something to do with it? In the Alex Beachum interview, he hints that angler fish might originate from Ember Twin, making them an invasive species inside DB.
For another theory, you have to ask yourself, where does DB get its nutrients from? From the planet it destroyed right? Well, again, it has been sucking on that planet for likely centuries or more at this point. It very well just might be at the end of its life span, just like the entire Universe, which is what prompts it to send out seeds to Giant's Deep, Timber Hearth, etc.
Edit: Another reason DB might have died is because of the ghost matter explosion, although if that were the case I’m not sure why there are still some parts left alive
I'm obviously late to the conversation but I agree with WackoMcGoose that the Vessel appeared in the same space as the vines and that's what broke it. The quote is "Our Vessel appears to have... has it _fused with_ the local environment, somehow? There are vines that are now part of the Vessel! It's been torn apart from inside itself!". It implied to me that as of the time they're writing this down, the fusion had already occurred and they were just trying to analyse the damage after the fact and figure out what happened. And the conclusion is some vines have appeared inside the Vessel and broke it from the inside, not started an attack from the outside over time.
Also, "Something went badly wrong during our warp" and "Why did the Vessel crash in that place? Suppose it wasn’t a problem with the Vessel, but with our destination" suggest to me that the damage occurred instantly and the "problem with [the] destination" was that space is weird in Dark Bramble. "Crash" makes it seem like they believe the warp to be the cause of the damage and that it was accidental. I didn't get the impression that the Vessel was being attacked by the vines ever, more that something went wrong and they had to evacuate. During the evacuation they were attacked by the anglerfish - Escape Pod 3 said "the anglerfish attack more and more frequently" and those on Brittle Hollow mentioned something about "what they witnessed during the evacuation" referring to the anglerfish.
Small details though, doesn't take away from a great video Lore Explorer, and a solid timeline. Something you taught me that I hadn't considered before is that Dark Bramble duplicated the Eye's signal and that's why they warped there - I always thought it's just because the Eye is quantum and the uncertainty meant they missed.
@@TheLoreExplorer Turns out based on the new DLC, that the ship was actually telefragged, it just took a few moments for the vines to do their damage as the process of warping back in was not quite instantaneous. At least, that is, if we can trust the Hatchling's retelling of events from memory...
@@OutbackCatgirl Ill tell you why we cant.(take it as exact gospel). They jump through a white hole and exit through a black hole. Quite the opposite of what really happens. Its abstract.
The only flaw of this game was its marketing, it deserve so much more atention
I came across it when I was checking the PlayStation Store sales recently and hadn't heard of this game. I was in two minds about the trailer since I thought it was mostly flying around in a ship and didn't catch much on what it's like to walk around planets. But I'm really glad I got it. The exploration, music and the lore is truly amazing.
Well, when it came out, it was exclusively on Xbox and Epic Games store. So naturally, it stayed pretty niche until it came to other platforms. But since it also launched on Gamepass, it quickly got a big cult following.
Also I wish at least some of the Nomai logs were dated, so we'd have some idea of the timeline.
it kinda got screwed for marketing since Outer Worlds had much more money and came out at a very close time
Man this must've took a lot of time. Piecing the Nomai story together, writing a script, landing the Nomai shuttle (on the actual interloper & quantum moon), using mods to add Nomai and move the camera, and editing all this together. Actual legend man keep it up
It indeed did. Luckily I had the Nomai story together for an entire lore series.(though I didnt have the camera or object placing mod then). And I had the basic timeline of major events straight from the lead dev in an interview! But ill be sure to keep up the hard work. thank you for your kind words! They mean a lot.
I rly look up to ur dedication & love for both the game itself and getting it out to viewers like us. I already saw the game as worthy of the various GOTY awards but found ur channel doing and explaining all the things I wondered, and didn't wonder, about the world(s) of Outer Wilds. Must've been a great honor to interview Alex Beachum himself! Point is, your channel enhances the already good memories & experiences I had w/ this game. It's like watching a dev rly explain the game
It was an absolute honor to ask him questions. And I feel like he put effort into answering them as well. But that was the goal when making the channel. To share the game. And try to help people understand it. Because the game deserves that. And so do you. But thank you David. Its very good to know the channel is doing what it was made for.
Ofc man 🌏
I've nearly finished the game, I have the coordinates to the eye of the universe, I know where the vessel is, I've been to the vessel. All I need is an advanced warp core and finish everything on my ship log. And then, I'm ready to go to the eye of the universe. But, despite that. I found the vessel by following the escape pod signal. I followed the signal through dark bramble, and then I found out what happened to escape pod 3. They were trying to get back to the vessel which was crashed inside dark bramble. But there were 2 signals coming from the vessel, each identical, but in a different place. They chose to follow one of them, and they ended up at a small bramble seed, similar to the one on timber hearth, which they couldn't climb into. This was my darkest moment in this game so far. 3 of the nomai died while hugging eachother. Their corpses are hugging. And there's one last recording of their final conversation. Honestly, this made me not want to go to the vessel because I knew that I'd see more of this there. But I had to go. So I fired a scout into the small seed, and followed the duplicate signal into a bigger seed. And after avoiding the 3 anglerfish and drfting past the eggs, I finally made it to the final seed. Then, I was at the vessel. This moment made me just say holy shit in real life. Because I DID NOT expect THIS in a game with a delightful artstyle and small cute little planets. I love this game, even if it has dark moments like these, and the corpses at the comet. It's still 100% a 10/10 for me and the best game I've played this year, yet. Thanks for listening to my rambling and I'm gonna go and find the eye of the universe cuz I'm excited.
These mods allowing you to place Nomai really adds to the immersion
Nice. Im really glad you like it. Its sort of time consuming placing all of them and facing them the right way. Glad adding them has the intended effect!
@@TheLoreExplorer How did you maked that? What mod is it?
It's called the object spawner mod.
So I'm trying to get the ending straight. Basically the interloper interior exploded and wiped out the Nomai, leaving the Ash Twin project abandoned. Then fast forward enough time for the Hearthians to evolve and discover space travel and our character to become a pilot. Now the sun naturally hits the end of its life cycle which triggers a signal to go back in time through the statues to launch the probe. That happens a billion times and one of the probes finds the eye and projects the coordinates?
Also, awesome video.
You got it. Also, thank you.
to get extra detailed: when the probe finally found the location of the eye after 9.3 million loops, it activated the statues, which immediately paired with the closest living beings it could find (gabbro and the player) which connected them to a mask in the ash twin project that records and sends their memories back in time through a black hole that opens once the sun explodes at the end of a loop. before this, the probe tracking module was the only thing to retain any knowledge after each loop (it’s paired to the third mask in the ATP). the probe that fires at the very start of a new game is actually the one that finds the eye, but you can’t follow it because you don’t have the launch code. so technically you never really experienced any of the past loops at all, you just have memories of them even though it never happened.
really good text summary actually haha
A lot of the logs talked about how they believe that the eye was bad/untrustworthy/had malicious intent. At first, I thought they were crazy cause the eye sounded so cool! After hearing the whole story put together, I can understand why a lot of them didn't like the idea of going for the eye and would rather go home. They were stuck with so many hardships just trying to reach this thing and it is very sad the downfall was a comet. Its also very sad none of them got to see the eye of the universe, although I think they would be happy that someone got to see it. Plus it saved the universe.
Indeed it did save the universe. And I have a few theories suggesting maybe the friends we find there aren’t just figments of our quantum imagination. So maybe one did make it after all. But I’m so glad to have presented the story in a way that highlights their hardships. They really did face a lot and it all got torn away. But as you mention. I think they’d be proud just to know it worked and their actions made it possible for someone to reach the eye. Especially if they knew what the result was.
I don’t think it saved the universe, instead recreating it: everything was destroyed so it could be repurposed for a new universe. There were many nomai still alive at the end of the universe, and they would’ve likely lived if not for the player’s actions.
@@somedude6833 the universe was dying, im not sure the nomai would have lived much longer
@@wolfie8890 they did find a stable system. I’d assume this meant a couple of years more.
If you pay attention to the names, the Nomai talking about the eye being scary was child Solanum!
That pause at Dark Bramble and description made me laugh out loud.
The ending of the Nomai was so sudden and sad.
One second, the Nomai were alive. The next, almost all life in the solar system was wiped out. Only the Hearthians and Jellyfish survived. We don’t speak of Dark Bramble. Nothing lives in Dark Bramble.
The video mentions them dying fast and hopefully painlessly, but the truth is that it can't be so.
When we die from Ghost Matter, its intense cold burns us to death, and it takes a few seconds to kill us. Painful seconds.
Then again, Hearthians are resistant whereas Nomais were fragile. Maybe it made their death faster, it's the best we can hope for them.
@@reflectingPastChoices
We are only interacting with ghost matter after several millions of years of aging. Nomai got doused with a fresh wave that “covered the solar system in an instant” and judging by some corpses, they didn’t even FALL out of bed unlike a massive spasm of pain would cause.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 A fair argument I suppose, and honestly I hope you're right
Good work with your videos! I was using this channel to remind myself of things I'd forgotten since playing the game last year and the presentation is very nice!
Thanks bud. I appreciate it!
„Is Outer Wilds about Eugenics?“ video when, Jack?
@@BaneHydra outer wilds is the opposite of eugenics lol
Holy shit jack saint!!!!!!
You have the perfect accent for talking about this game. You sound like you grew up on Timber Hearth.
I am surrounded by tress but sadly no geysers lol. Thank you for your kind words!
You’re amazing!! Even animating everything with the in game models and the little details like landing with the Nomai shuttle! Thank you for this video :)
I'll take credit for most of this but I didn't do any animations. The Nomai you see are just me "placing" solanums model and moving them to where I want them. It's called the object Placer mod. But thank you for the kind words. Took me a while to nail that shuttle landing.
Nice editing on the Nomai in the Vessel!
Man, I wish I could take cradit for that. An awesome modding community made it easy! Object spawner mod.
Wow. It was nice to have the whole story put together and told in a really good way!
Im glad you enojoyed it!
This was such a comprehensive, straightforward and charming way to tell their story. Great job! Thank you so much for this video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for the kind words!
I really needed this, it was great!
Thanks bud.
I love these types of videos that go deeper than what you originally see. Thank you so much for making such great content for us all to enjoy! Your a legend keep it up! :D
Thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot. Im very glad you enjoyed the video!
So midway through my play through of the game I searched up on UA-cam timelines for the story to see if there were any. I didn’t watch any videos but I say the thumbnail for this video for a second before getting back to the game. I assumed it was part of the game and the big payoff of going into the ash twin project would show me the Nomai who survived. Honestly, it just made the ending hit even harder so thank you I guess :)
Also, really well done video. A lot easier to follow than the ship log!
Awww. Sorry for giving you false hope my friend. I will say I am proud of this video though : ). Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TheLoreExplorer don’t sweat it! Honestly, I’m glad it happened because it really put the Nomai tragedy into perspective. I was excited to maybe see some Nomai but when I found out they were all gone (except for one… well kinda I guess) it really hit me just how bad the Nomai got it. Such a great game.
@@TheFartGod69 Haha, you got to experience a little bit of an anti-spoiler :)
new type of spoiler unlocked
Thanks for the great video! Just finished the game and I'm in awe of it really, like most that have played. Your videos really have helped explain a lot of things so thanks :D
Really really well done man. Props for the amazing editing and filming, I can’t imagine how long this took to put together. Thank you.
youre very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Love your videos man!
Thank you! Glad you like them!
Excellent editing, insightful storytelling. Thanks for making this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You honestly deserve so much more support! This was perfect dude
thanks bud. Glad you liked it!
😁
What a lovely video man. You have put a lot of work and time into this. I had only finished it like 70% 2 months back and had to leave the game. I have started playing it from today and I think I have lost all my knowledge which I gathered earlier. This video really helped me get back on track. You're one hell of a storyteller. Thank You
Thanks a ton! Im the dude who gets interrupted when telling stories irl so thats extremely nice to hear!
wonderful video. thank you man, your passion is contagious!
Glad you enjoy the videos!
This video is fantastic. Thanks for the effort to putting it all together.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a lovely piece of work - does what it says on the tin. Thank you!
So glad you enjoyed it!
The DLC shows two things more clearly:
- Escall was right in warping immediately, they actually WOULD have lost the signal forever if they waited to send a message.
- It wasn't Dark Bramble attacking the ship with vines, the ship's teleportation technology basically telefragged the vines and became fused with them. As far as we know, the vines never really move much.
That vision isn’t meant to be interpreted literally. The vessel also disappears into a white hole and out of a black hole. But yes. Escall was right.
There will never be another game that hits you as hard as this one
There will be, if anything it proved it is possible to make such games. Don't lose hope lol.
@@terryriley6410 Ohhh I really wish for more games like this
wonderful video my friend. I just finished the base game and besides the ending freaking me out, i almost cried. I still have to play the dlc, but i´ll need to gather some courage :D
Thx a lot for this explanation! This is just perfect to see after you've finished the game :)
Glad I could help!
This is really well done, all of the video clips you've put together with Nomai chilling in places showing what it would have been like is very cool. I enjoyed. My only gripe is that the footage seems a bit high on the grey scale or a little washed on with the brightness or contrast, but I approve of this passion piece =D
Also holy crap I want to see more up close footage of the gravity cannon outside Giant's Deep firing. Never seen that up close..
hmmm. I used to get this comment a lot but havent gotten it for a while after i tweaked some settings. Ill have to look into it to see if the settings reverted. thanks for the heads up bud. Also, thank you for the kind words.
Great video! I was a bit confused in the beginning, wher you got all that Nomai footage from xD Learning the story of the Nomai was really the saddest part of the game. Knowing that they somehow all died and then reading about their lifes. Especially finding the ones from escape pod 3, who died in Dark Bramble...
Great informative vid man! As always!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for the kind words!
Wonderful timeline & video, love that you took the time to show versions of the actual events themselves and thank you so much for making it.
However when you say it was a bad decision to warp to the eye without sending a communication, I think you could be incorrect. How I thought of it was the Eye only remained in that Solar System because they had observed it being there (through instruments like how you can take a picture of the quantum moon and it will remain no matter how far away from it you are) and warped there when it was observed being there. Then as their systems stayed there observing it the entire time it remained til the end of the universe. I imagined it moving through the universe and hanging out in different solar systems sort of how the quantum moon moves from planet to planet. So in turn Eskall made the right decision to warp there immediately and lock the Eye in that Solar System leading to the events at the end of the game.
I could totally be wrong haha but thank you again for the effort of making the video :)
As it turns out, even if you're correct that the eye jumps around solar systems, the DLC says that the nomai wouldn't have been the ones to lock it in place.
I love it when you make videos of this game :D :D Thx
Glad you enjoy it!
That is a really good Video. Thank you for this
Best lore channel for this game on UA-cam. Awesome work man !
Thank you!
It’s ok man, I make myself intensely sad every time I wake up.
same. hope the videos help distract you a bit.
The Lore Explorer lol they do, also I literally just had to open this game back up because I had no idea you could go inside the interloper. So thanks for helping me find that!
Nice! Thats a super important thing to miss! Sad but revealing moment.
The Lore Explorer I was playing this trying to get onto hollows lantern because I was too bad at the game to land on it. Long story short I got into the volcanic testing site, but while exploring it the orbit of the planet through the ship off course and into the lava. Sadly, because of this I died from lack of oxygen before seeing the skeleton. But since I had such a hard time I was wondering if you could do it with the Nomai shuttle, I thought that would be a cool video (if you already did it my apologies) keep up the good work!
Awesome channel, awesome videos. I am glad to see people who share my feeelings for this game. A very special game.
Hey, great video man! Thanks for posting!
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it!
Underrated channel, keep it up man
Thank you for the kind words! ill be sure to keep at it!
This is such a good lore video.
Glad you enjoyed it bud!
This is exactly the sort of thing I want to see after playing a game like this. Great summary.
Thanks so much!
Great Video Man, Good explanation!
Appreciate it! Glad you liked it!
Congrats on 3k please please keep up the good work!
thanks for the kind words. Ill be sure to keep at it.
“in dark bramble………nothing happend because that place was scary”💀
I just finished the game for the first time today... got the main ending with solanum and my scout flying past in the post credits scene. Such a good ending, one of the best endings I've ever experienced in a game. Definitely getting the DLC when I can.
The Black Hole Forge looks different again in 1.0.7 :D lol
Love your vids!
Thanks Ana! Glad you enjoy them!
Such a really nice video :)
Thank you so much!
"The city planner forgot to add guard rails and... uhmmmm... theres just a black hole kickin' it down there?" Made me crack up (roughly starting at 6:55)
Nice video ! i enjoyed it, keep it up !
Thanks, will do! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Your channel will grow!
Thank you for the kind words.
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
thanks for the video
Another cool video!
Glad you liked it!
This is the video I needed, but didn't know it.
Glad you liked it bud.
Great video, keep it up 👍🏻
Thanks, will do!
lore: posts a video
me: lore's speed mod
this was the most interesting open world game I've played in years. It's good to know I missed a lot of stuff!
at least there may still be nomai out there somewhere, since this was only one of the clans
There's actually 5 escape pods. Two of them didn't even make it out if the Vessel Node
Are those the things I'm missing for the vessel entry?
First of all well done this must have taken months but second of all "on Dark Bramble nothing happened because the place is SCARY"-Lore Explorer 2020 Third of all I usually find weak points and problems with your videos (no offence my own theories have been disproven by you) but I couldn't find any I think this is the most solid explanation of Nomai history to date and I'm form 1-2 years in the future (Video release date wise)
I might have missed it, but I don’t think you mentioned the messages from other Nomai clans within the Vessel. They talk about how the universe is dying, with one clan specifically mentioning they should stay together as they search for safe places to live. They have to constantly beware of unstable stars, as mentioned by one clan that was nearly hit by the supernovae of a triple-star system. Resources in the universe are dwindling, there are less and less safe places to stay, it’s rather sad really
Thats because they arent related to the Nomai we know. They are a separate clan of Nomai who are either orbiting the black rock sun which will explode in minutes. Or already likely dead from said explosion already happening.
The one big issue with the white hole station is it assumes whoever falls through the black hole is already wearing a space suit XD
Are there any other valid coordinates other than the eye of the universe coordinates on the vessel?
nope. people have swept the code and they didnt code in anything else for the vessel. only one warp point.
Great video! How do you make these little scenes?
I have a mod that allows me to place "objects". I only have a couple objects I can place. But Solanum is one of em!
11:43 : lol... Uh, okay. What a weird non sequitur. I wish you expanded more about Timber Hearth. There was some stuff about the caves there too that you missed.
I also assume the Nomai went to The Interloper also to learn more about the exotic ghost matter and how they might use it for other things. Was kind of odd how powerful Dark Bramble is and how they didn't explore that more too... but yeah.
The interloper brought ghost matter to the star system, which instantly flooded the system and killed them all
@@davidhoran7116 : Yes, I know. And it didn't instantly flood the system. The core of the comet somehow ruptured and the resulting ghost matter "shock wave" killed them. Although how that would work and how the Nomai bodies didn't decay in thousands of years after that seems odd to me... :-P
The bones not decaying is odd. But it wasn't a Shockwave that killed the Nomai. It was the ghost matter itself.
Maybe our moon disappears when it's not being observed also.
thats something to think about
Everything could disappear when we are not looking at it
real
Infinite quantum possibilities
I like the thumnail.
dude ! that was super interesting !
How did you manage to have living nomais around ?
Thanks bud. And It's a mod I use!
Totally unrelated (I think) but my personal headcanon is that the quantum song you hear in your signalscope is from the last group who made the universe.
Have a question, why the orbital canon fired the monent our main charactor start the time loop? which has been eons after the nomai extinction. Is it also related to the sun go super nova 22 minutes later?
yes. its related to the sun going supernova. I dont want to spoil it if youre still trying to play the game. But I have videos for most of the questions you could ask. This one would fall under "The ash Twin Projects Explained" if youd like to know the in detail answer of how it all works!
The ATP was always on standby just in case, and once it began a loop, it’s pre-programmed to send back instructions to fire the cannon to the statue in the probe cannon and activate any other dormant statues to make them ready for pairing, intending to link a Nomai so they can be in on the loop.
The Nomai, aka Exploration Crazy Science Wizard Goats: No sense of danger safety!
They literally used one of Hollow’s Lantern (the magma moon) volcanoes to test the durability of metals for the ATP, they have absolutely no fear lmao
On Dark Bramble...
*silence*
Nothing happened, because this place is scary
I love how there are a billion solanums just holding random objects when necessary.
I work with what I got lol. Luckily the Nomai actually all wore the same suits. So even if pye was standing next to solanum, chances are you couldnt tell the dif.
Can you explain the sand in ash twin and ember twin?, I still can't understand how Nomai make Sunless city and Ash twin tower with that condition
we arent sure how often it happens, but every so long the sand returns to the planet it was previously on. So, basically, while the sand was on ember twin, they built the atp, when it was on ash twin, they built on ember. I think what causes the transfer is tidal effects. but the varying speed of the planets in their orbit may also have something to do with it.
One thing to note is that the gravity crystals and the gravity paths seem to be derived from the same technology, and in the video, you stated that the Nomai had invented the grav. crystals on brittle hollow, however, what about the gravity floors in the vessel? the floors and crystals make the same noise when you step on them, and both have a purple glow, so that would mean the Nomai couldn't have invented the gravity crystals after the vessel crashed.
the vessel doesnt have gravity floors though. Gravity floors are innate and dont need power. the gravity doesnt work in the vessel until we plug in an active warp core powering the vessel. So whatever creates the gravity there is different from gravity crystals or paths. I have an interview with the dev where we talk about the grav crystals if youre interested though.
Also, all of this happened 280,000 years before we wake up at the campfire.
The sad thing is that it wasnt instant death, reading the sign on timber hallow next to the ghost matter, it said the death would be slow and astranomically painful.
The sign does say its uniquely painful. but it doesnt mention how fast the death is. If youve been killed by it you know it actually happens pretty quickly.
@@TheLoreExplorer still slow enough to feel the pain in all its glory, not a death I'd recommend.
It was pretty quick considering everyone was at whatever they were doing before they died
Can someone explain how the race you play as survived the Ghost Matter from the Interloper? Some Nomai texts say they were observing your race so we must have been around by then before the Nomai perished? If Ghost Matter exploded throughout the galaxy why did that race survive?
From my understanding, proto-Hearthians were amphibian and lived deep in the waters of one of the mines. I could be wrong, but I believe this saved them, as well as the fact that Hearthians ancestors’ constitutions were very strong. This is alluded to in the museum (I think?), when you see the skeleton of the Nomai and the description says that the Nomai are very fragile compared to the Hearthians. So, a combination of location and constitution I think.
I have a video about it. Yes. Hearthians were amphibious and water nullified ghost matter. Which is how the jellyfish survived as well.
@@TheLoreExplorer Ah thank you, and this is actually shown in game as Water nullifies ghost matter.
Mhmm. It's actually cool. The Nomai discovered the hearthians in their proto state. There is a mural on timber hearth somewhere about it.
nice.
5:12 where is that? I've beaten the main game but not the dlc and I've never seen that on brittle hollow
Where is the next video link!!!?
Have I got it wrong or did the Nomai emergency shuttles were triggered *before* the Vessel perished in dark bramble?
How did you get the recordings of the live nomai in the vessel watching the signal of the Eye of the Universe? I've been looking for it!
I used a mod to make it. What do you mean you've been looking for it? Have you seen it before?
@@TheLoreExplorer oh that's really cool!! No sorry I've been going for the archaeologist achievement and I knew I was missing the recording from when they saw the Eye's signal, but couldn't for the life of me figure out where that area was. Took me foreeever to find that place under the navigation control station.
@@TheLoreExplorer very well-done scene, though, I thought it was game vid!
Ohhhhhh. I thought you meant like... The whole clip. That's underneath the control room in the vessel! I placed like 20 some nomai. It's cool you thought it was part of the game. Guess I shouldve explain that somewhere lol.
Something I don’t think you realize: the Hollow’s Lantern was a volcanos planet that didn’t always fire off lava, it did occasionally, but it was rare, if it did, brittle hollow would’ve collapsed years ago. It became volcanic when the sun started going supernova
I didnt realize that at the time of this video, no. But only cause it was added about a year ago in an update. The moon has definitely been volcanic for at least the last 280k years though. The Nomai contended with it the moment they landed. So it didnt just start when the sun started going nova. Its just "greatly accelerated" since the suns recent activity. Tbh I still dont really understand that. No matter how you cut it 280k years of very few bombardments would always add up to more than an accelerated 22 minute period. Even with a bit of scale wiggling. Just a gameplay thing we have to accept really.
@@TheLoreExplorer Thanks for the correction, I didn’t actually know about it being added in an update tho. Was all of it added?
Just the log in the volcano on Hollows Lantern trying to explain why its only breaking up now.
Now we know why they got the singal
I wonder what a « year » means for a nomadic species that travels through spaces
Same for the 300k years between the nomai’s extinction and the start of the adventure. I wonder what reference was used for measuring time
Ive actually asked the dev about this. And its all kind of interesting. We have to keep in mind when we read the word year, thats its not actually the word year in universe. Its the nomai word for year translated into the hearthian word for year. Then again translated by the game for us(the player) to understand. So when the text says 280k years, thats what it means. What they call it or how they measure it is unknown though.
11:42 ... True.
Something I like about the story of the nomai is that the quantum moon shows how the nomai came to rely on their advanced technology so much that they didn't think to use significantly simpler methods to find the eye of the universe.
The nomai knew that the 6th location of the quantum moon is the eye of the universe, so they could've just created a mapping satellite similar to the one the hearthians made, then observe the solar system in a way to force the quantum moon to go to the eye of the universe, and by doing that they could collect data on where the EotU is and isn't at a given time, and with enough of that data they could pinpoint the location of the EotU.
But we have no evidence to suggest that even crossed the mind of any nomai. They were so fixated on what their technology could do to find the EotU, what tech they could develop to help them, that they didn't think to analyse the things in the solar system that could tell them things about the EotU indirectly.
I know this comment is old, but I’m a bit confused on what you’re suggesting. You said they could “collect data on where the Eotau is and isn’t at a given time,” but how? The whole idea is that the Eye is SUPER far out; much too far out to see with, say, a telescope. Sure, they could force the moon there, but since the moon and eye would be out of reasonable observation range, both would be at an indeterminate quantum location (there is the diagram showing the Eye existing at many points until observed, just like the moon; also, thwir quantum moon locator only shows which planet it’s orbiting, not where it physically is, so they couldn’t use it to find the Eye). So, since it’s so far out, you run into the same issue that they did: how do you “find” or locate it. You would need to observe millions of super far out locations. Which is exactly what they did with the probe. So I’m not seeing how forcing the quantum moon there would help in any way.
Also, writing this comment made me realize, at first it doesn’t make sense how the Eye could be found at specific coordinates (which do not change with when you choose to go there), yet it is also a quantum behavior object, like I mentioned before with the Eye’s orbit diagram. So, my idea: was the probe “visually observing” the Eye and sending that data to the Ash Twin Project equivalent to the law of quantum imaging? If so, the Eye is in an indeterminate quantum state UNTIL a probe randomly encounters it, records its location, and sends it to the ATP, and from that point on and in all future loops it is forced to exist there since the ATP is “observing” it at that location. Yet the ATP is (presumably) not a “conscious” observer, so…… I’m not totally sure.
That was a long comment, thank you for coming to my TED talk
If you try to use the little scout while you're on the Eye you'll realize it's useless.The Eye completely messes up any sort of mapping, signal locating, etc. That's why they had resort to the last and hardest method (having to visually/manually search for it)
New intro? Also how u make thumbnail
I have a mod that lets me place objects. Solanum is one of those objects.
Just as an aside, the nomai discovered the teleportation phenomenon of the black and white holes, used that to build their teleportation platform, and figured out that they arive a few seconds earlier when using them (you have clocks detailing arrival time next to the tp platforms)
Im not sure where the difference to that in the video is. The Nomai reinvented teleportation. Set up the white hole station. And then learned about the negative time interval.
@@TheLoreExplorer One thing that kinda seems strange to me is the fact that they reinvented warping through space using worm wholes, as in they didn’t noticed the slight difference in time before they traveled to search for the Eye? They had the technology but somehow didn’t recorded departure and arrival times accurately enough to notice it before? Is it because they used a bit more power in the towers and the difference made them aware? I’m kinda confused on that part
It’s cause they always teleported through space. There were never two pads who each had local time before.
@@bonelesschickennuggets1868 even if they did know about the phenomenon when they discovered it, it was probably forgotten after decades, as it wasn't useful information for space nomads with wormhole tech. When they heard The Eye, quantum mechanics suddenly became relavent, and at a large scale - and novel problems require novel solutions.
@@TheLoreExplorer Still, I find it funny how they overlooked such a groundbreaking discovery over not using the warp technology aside from traveling in their Vessels, I guess the Nomai of our solar system were pushed to their absolute limits in technology and intelectual minds to find the Eye, the absolute mad lads