Michael Acevedo's book has GTO ranges for a "standard rake" 6-max, 100bb game (whatever that means, I don't have it in front of me). There is no flatting range until you get to the button (and BB). That said, I do sometimes flat, though, in situations where I expect a very tight opening range (at 0.15/0.3, 0.25/0.5, on pokerstars etc. I'm happy to flat 77 if I'm in the CO or BTN against UTG in most games, because the implied odds are higher than against a strong opponent). Also, there is much less squeezing than there "should be" in these games. I am winning ~10bb/100 so this can't be tragic. Same for a live 1/2 game. If old man coffee raises and looks super excited, I'm flatting my hands with strong implied odds because facing a 4-bet would be terrible and the likelihood of being squeezed is very low. Separate question on flop- as the c-bettor, how do solvers adjust bet sizing in high raked game? I have in mind the 1/3 bet sizing, which feels like it should be disincentivized due to it being a higher fraction of the pot the player may collect. I still do it normally. I haven't thought about it much,
I have a feeling those ranges (I have that book) are for 2/5 zoom on stars, comparing them to my solutions. Those games are much lighter on rake than say, 100nl, which is the median of what I played in this demo. I'd call those games "low rake" Also, his solution has button flats because that's how he designed his model. Mmaasherdog plays really high limits and recommends 3b/f even up there, as far as I've seen.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker is right. Most ranges floating around don't have flats in certain spots because the person didn't add them to the tree to save resources. Rake especially punishes passive play. With that said, a GTO strategy will always include flats, but if the flats are +EV, by default, the 3bet hands will be +EV, as they are a subset of the calling range.
You are talking of not cold calling in the button or in any position in the table where we have position over another player? If we only 3bet preflop and never cold call, our preflop 3betting porcentaje isnt going to be very high and exploitable a lot?
I had a 3-bet of like 18 or 19 percent over 30k hands and now for some reason I dont think I play that differently but I have started to flat a litttle more and I've noticed I'm not doing as well with a 3 bet % of like 11 to 13 so I'm going to start 3-betting every hand I wanna play from now on thanks for this.
Ignition has an insanely high rake for 6-max and plus which is 5% at $4 cap. But rake is taken only when players see flops. So taking down the pot preflop is extremely crucial when playing small stakes. I won 10K this year so far but paid 4.5K in rake which is ridiculous and there is no rakeback whatsoever which sucks balls. So yeah I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
And you are lucky that you arent in France, here it is a 6.5% rake because the government taxes 2% of every pot, for exemple i won 3.5k for 7.3k rake with a 10bb100 winrate over 600kh in microstakes last year, we rake for about 15bb100 avg even when playing 3bet or fold strategy preflop (except bb), made me switch to MTT because cashgame is just not worth it until high stakes.
DON'T BELIEVE THIS MAN THIS WONT WORK KEEP FLATTING PREFLOP REALLY ITS A GOOD PLAY Thanks for another vid, haven't even watched it yet but I know it's gonna be good. Really hope my pool never finds your channel man
Hey man, great content. You probably know that GGpoker is the nº1 in the market by a very large margin, and they charge rake after a 3b... The games are incredible soft to pass, so how would you change your strategy of only 3b? Still does that because of simplification and just be more open to call on MW situations (there are many on this network).
Hey Alvin, I just recently moved up to 2/5 and want to start learning GTO. I’ve noticed that I lose most pots to the player who isn’t the initial raiser so if I simply 3bet, I could take much more pots down. What is the best way to start learning Pio?
can you correct me if I'm wrong, but you took sample for yourselfe when you had 15bb/100 and comapred that with some bad regs that have -40bb/100 on quite big sample? Also, this regs coldcall some very weak hands, and then you say that's bad? In some positions it's OBV bad to have CC ranges, but on BTN, even solvers have solid ranges on BTN and players like sauce suggest we have CC ranges, even in SB if open sizes are small. I know that rake on smaller limits i bigger, but it's not gonna add up 5BB if someone just removes CC from his ranges....
@@AlvinTeachesPoker I'm wrong? So you just bring an argument about button facing 3x like no one can raise any other size and on other hand, you did not replay to any question I asked, so major issue is that you've basically picked very bad regs (losing players) and compared them to winning player. It's not a problem to make a mistake in a video, problem is when you start to defend your theory even thought you see it's wrong... Just a disclaimer, I'm not saying that we should have CC ranges on all positions, I'm just saying that having solid CC on BTN will be at least on same winrate as not having one or better...
I'm really not obliged to answer every demanding stranger on the internet, and I have no energy for infinite straw men arguments. Like really, I have no idea what you're talking about, you must be much stronger. :) And I'm not comparing me versus losers, I'm comparing me against the pool. The pool just happens to be 90% losing players. Also, my presence at the table obviously affects the winrate of my opponents, but I doubt it affects the amount of rake they're paying.
Hey Alvin, Curious theory question here. When we simplify our strategy to make things easier for our "human" brains. We will be technically giving up some Ev for each simplification throughout a quote on quote perfect GTO strategy. Correct?
I actually understand what you mean but I don't fully agree or my game don't seems to play optimally with this style of play. Example having pocket 6 3bet facing a tight range opener. Villain call, flop two over then what. Villain seldom fold better hand and fold worst hand Post flop. When hero has medium strength hand, villain don't fold better hand and don't call with worst hand what is the benefit of raising. Raising to get most worst hand call value ,raising to get most better hand fold bluff. Or to raise to deny equity. Of course what u mention so far in the video I understand your point
Everyone should go where the most money and enjoyment for them is but high rake cash games feel like they’re borderline not even really poker. I played only cash a few years ago (God everyone (myself included) was horrible and not playing like this)) in the pre solver/solvers justttt starting to be a thing era and thought MTTs were stupid and not poker. Now I play MTTs for a living and playing poker without an ante and with very little/no cold calling feels ridiculous and I love the complicated preflop mixing strategies and all the single raised pots with wide ranges that tournaments lend themselves to. Not having to make preflop decisions based on rake is a beautiful thing. However, from my cash game days, I still sort of hate having to obey and respond to constant ICM factors in the late game. I guess deep stacked cash with an ante and low/no rake is the only “real” poker in a perfect world to me 😂
I'm an MTT player but I love your content. Keep calling out the BS coaching out there (but not too loudly ;) ). This is what poker is all about, using the available tools and knowledge to construct a strategy for yourself rather than looking for 'the ultimate all-encompassing strategy'. The fact that your strategy is just so different from what I do in MTTs (rake-free, ante's, shorter stacks) just shows the complexity of this game and gives a whole new perspective
Hey Alvin, great video thanks.. My big blind is bb/100 -50 and small blind bb/100 -32 in 40K hands .. another positions good profit but my blinds so awfull.. What's your recommend for me ?
Hey Alvin, do you think it's valid to compare a sample where you have an equal number of hands in all positions to a sample where over 50% of "Opponents" hands are in the BB? (124k of the 222k hand sample are in BB) I think this would lead to their winrates being far lower and paying more rake. For example, you comment on their winrate being -40bb/100 and their CC being 23% despite a significant portion of these stats being from the BB. I think that the points you make are probably valid, but the data used to demonstrate them seems inaccurate.
I THINK (and might be totally wrong) that zoom doesn't include the hands that villain folded before hero's action (which is why I have steal 100% in button and sb but I don't do that), so they're playing more hands just not being counted when they don't vpip. That's why there's way more bb than utg, but it shouldn't affect rake. I might be reallllly wrong. And their winrates suck because I'm at the table blowing them up, right??? :D :D
@@AlvinTeachesPoker That may be contributing to some extent but there are couple of things that imply there is at least one other factor at play: - Opponents do not have 100% VPIP in the hands from EP - In fact they have a fairly believable progression of 23, 25, 29, 35, 34, 30 for VPIP around the table. - The hand distribution is not simply less from earlier positions - It is 24k EP, 25k MP, 8k CO, 33k BU, 6.6k SB, 125k BB The most unusual of all of these in my opinion is the immense disparity between BB and SB. I'm not sure how this could have happened tbh. You mentioned that the sample was a combination of your opponents and students - it could be that some subset of this sample has already been filtered either before entering your database or in the "Opponents" group? Also want to mention that I like the content you produce in general and I appreciate your response! :D
Yeah I agree and have no idea. :D sometimes there aren't full tables, but that obviously won't count for disparities in the thousands of hands. I'm really not sure, sorry I can't give it a better answer!
Hi Alvin ! Does your cbet simplification work for polarized 3bet range like you can have in the big bling or it is only with linear 3bet range ? Thanks man I think you are one of the best teacher I ever know !
This is a mix of 25 to 200nl and its true for everyone within those stakes. Really it's whatever is running when my friends want to sweat me playing their limits.
I only play those limits to demonstrate to students / show that gto principles dominate the low stakes. My primary games are 5/10-100/200 private games, but zero chance I'd ever show those here. :) My summer plans this year were to move to LA to play high stakes, but pandemic virus problems.
If I'm not mistaken, Ignition is an 'anonymous' poker site right? What if you're playing this type of strategy in a live game or non-anonymous setting. Have you noticed how your opponents are trying to adjust to your aggression? How are you supposed to deal with people playing back at you in different ways? Much appreciated!
I honestly don't play with a hud, or play any differently live, or play much differently between stakes. They all still make the same mistakes. The higher you get, the more people play back /thinly in general, and you just err closer to equilibrium than you should against more passive opponents. But many of the same leaks this style exploits exist at high stakes, which is why some of the hands look so crazy. If you saw how I played 5nl, it would look a lot like how I play 400nl, and if I posted hands people would say "that doesn't work at x or Y stakes" not really knowing what I was trying to achieve.
What is the most important factor we should look out for when a hand is borderline between fold/3b (if we never flat) Lets say pocket 5s on the btn vs co open 2. question , if someone opens and there is a flat call, should we still play 3b or fold? Does the dead money make us even more inclined to 3b than call? Great video as always
If someone flats I'll flat, or I'll RARELY open flat to induce from behind, but even in the video I wonder if I should just squeeze instead. It's close, over whatever sample I'm winning 150bb/100 plus both 3bet and flatting button but very small sample sizes on the flats. Mmm I don't think there's an important factor. How brave are you feeling today? Go for it and see what happens.
So you’re suggesting just 3b your entire range of hands you wanna play post? Don’t we have to surrender a lot of equity with our non-nutted holdings (77-TT) (JTs,KJs) etc when we get 4b?
Since accounting for rake I pay around 20% less in rake than the average player pool at my stakes (including myself). I still CC fun players with blatant postflop mistakes, though. (eg. obvious stations and total maniacs, whose mistakes post are much bigger than pre.)
Yeah I'm my sample I'm a 180/bb winner cold calling the fish versus 160ish 3betting generally, but sample size for the first is so low. But ccing in premium situations is certainly plus ev, it's just is it better than 3betting? Hard to tell, closer than we all suspect in high rake, possibly.
Hey alvin i like the work you are doing for poker but it will be even better if you don't name shame a player or website; i know the thing which you are providing us is much more advanced than those of red chip poker but thay site is not meant for advanced strategies i think...if someone is starting his poker career they can't jump directly to solvers especially for lower mid stake so we all should respect every member of our poker community; thanks for your videos they have helped me a lot i m just starting playing mid stake nd had just started learning about G.T.O. your content have much more value than many of paid contents.
Disagree, if they're profiting from publishing sub par content then it should be scrutinised. If anything Alvin is helping them. Also it's detrimental to the learner to educate themselves from a poor source.
It's hard to argue that mucking things up after a 3bet isn't going to naturally be more profitable than mucking it up after flatting. Plus the instant rake advantage. And what, you should play the worse option instead of just improving?
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Flatting ranges can be possible at regular tables where you have like insane feel and read on the players, what is their knowledge/ level etc. At zoom/fast forward , especially if the pool is really big that you have literally 0 info on most of players, you can fire 3 barrels just representing range OOP in SRP and you can't call IP 2-3 barrels in SRP with AQ on Axxxx just because you fucked up preflop. 3b or fold strat looks for me like simplification. Also was looking this crazy hands between Andy and Garret where they just represent range and they are right. And when we have raaaaaaake, maaan, 3b or fold is cool
@Kody Stutzman How do you play small pps from button and blinds vs ep opens? Would you 3bet 22 and cbet on high card flops, triple off bc ur at the bottom of ur range or would that be a leak?
Yeah very interesting but i guess if youre 3betting alot you are exposing yourself to 4bet bluffs. And youre basically 3bet/folding 90% of the time. Your opponent can 4bet any 2 cards and print money. So then you have to adjust by 5bet/shoving 88 and aq ? And paying a ton of rake lol. I dont know maybe the field dont adapt well to your strat. They must call/fold too much right ? If you 3bet alot then i guess you have to stack off lighter also. Especially considering the fact that the risk/reward of a 4bet bluff is the best preflop.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker yeah sure bro, i guess we just have to adapt then which is what the game is all about at the end. Thanks for answering and your great teaching
Michael Acevedo's book has GTO ranges for a "standard rake" 6-max, 100bb game (whatever that means, I don't have it in front of me). There is no flatting range until you get to the button (and BB).
That said, I do sometimes flat, though, in situations where I expect a very tight opening range (at 0.15/0.3, 0.25/0.5, on pokerstars etc. I'm happy to flat 77 if I'm in the CO or BTN against UTG in most games, because the implied odds are higher than against a strong opponent). Also, there is much less squeezing than there "should be" in these games. I am winning ~10bb/100 so this can't be tragic. Same for a live 1/2 game. If old man coffee raises and looks super excited, I'm flatting my hands with strong implied odds because facing a 4-bet would be terrible and the likelihood of being squeezed is very low.
Separate question on flop- as the c-bettor, how do solvers adjust bet sizing in high raked game? I have in mind the 1/3 bet sizing, which feels like it should be disincentivized due to it being a higher fraction of the pot the player may collect. I still do it normally. I haven't thought about it much,
I have a feeling those ranges (I have that book) are for 2/5 zoom on stars, comparing them to my solutions. Those games are much lighter on rake than say, 100nl, which is the median of what I played in this demo. I'd call those games "low rake"
Also, his solution has button flats because that's how he designed his model. Mmaasherdog plays really high limits and recommends 3b/f even up there, as far as I've seen.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker is right. Most ranges floating around don't have flats in certain spots because the person didn't add them to the tree to save resources. Rake especially punishes passive play. With that said, a GTO strategy will always include flats, but if the flats are +EV, by default, the 3bet hands will be +EV, as they are a subset of the calling range.
You are talking of not cold calling in the button or in any position in the table where we have position over another player? If we only 3bet preflop and never cold call, our preflop 3betting porcentaje isnt going to be very high and exploitable a lot?
I had a 3-bet of like 18 or 19 percent over 30k hands and now for some reason I dont think I play that differently but I have started to flat a litttle more and I've noticed I'm not doing as well with a 3 bet % of like 11 to 13 so I'm going to start 3-betting every hand I wanna play from now on thanks for this.
How is your winrate in this situation
Ignition has an insanely high rake for 6-max and plus which is 5% at $4 cap. But rake is taken only when players see flops. So taking down the pot preflop is extremely crucial when playing small stakes. I won 10K this year so far but paid 4.5K in rake which is ridiculous and there is no rakeback whatsoever which sucks balls. So yeah I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
And you are lucky that you arent in France, here it is a 6.5% rake because the government taxes 2% of every pot, for exemple i won 3.5k for 7.3k rake with a 10bb100 winrate over 600kh in microstakes last year, we rake for about 15bb100 avg even when playing 3bet or fold strategy preflop (except bb), made me switch to MTT because cashgame is just not worth it until high stakes.
Online poker sucks now
Hey Alvin, can you start posting more videos. They are always fun and educational. You should produce more :-)
Nope, focusing on my own study and vlogging next, probably.
DON'T BELIEVE THIS MAN THIS WONT WORK KEEP FLATTING PREFLOP REALLY ITS A GOOD PLAY
Thanks for another vid, haven't even watched it yet but I know it's gonna be good. Really hope my pool never finds your channel man
Remember gto doesn't beat the small stakes
@@AlvinTeachesPoker the first part was tongue in cheek if it wasn't obvious, thanks again for posting all this shit for free
Oh I was joking too, levels I guess
That does explain why you are in low stakes
Hey man, great content. You probably know that GGpoker is the nº1 in the market by a very large margin, and they charge rake after a 3b... The games are incredible soft to pass, so how would you change your strategy of only 3b? Still does that because of simplification and just be more open to call on MW situations (there are many on this network).
Hey Alvin,
I just recently moved up to 2/5 and want to start learning GTO. I’ve noticed that I lose most pots to the player who isn’t the initial raiser so if I simply 3bet, I could take much more pots down. What is the best way to start learning Pio?
can you correct me if I'm wrong, but you took sample for yourselfe when you had 15bb/100 and comapred that with some bad regs that have -40bb/100 on quite big sample? Also, this regs coldcall some very weak hands, and then you say that's bad? In some positions it's OBV bad to have CC ranges, but on BTN, even solvers have solid ranges on BTN and players like sauce suggest we have CC ranges, even in SB if open sizes are small. I know that rake on smaller limits i bigger, but it's not gonna add up 5BB if someone just removes CC from his ranges....
Yeah, you're wrong. Solvers don't flat much on buttons facing x3 and high take. Plus, again, postflop.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker I'm wrong? So you just bring an argument about button facing 3x like no one can raise any other size and on other hand, you did not replay to any question I asked, so major issue is that you've basically picked very bad regs (losing players) and compared them to winning player.
It's not a problem to make a mistake in a video, problem is when you start to defend your theory even thought you see it's wrong...
Just a disclaimer, I'm not saying that we should have CC ranges on all positions, I'm just saying that having solid CC on BTN will be at least on same winrate as not having one or better...
I'm really not obliged to answer every demanding stranger on the internet, and I have no energy for infinite straw men arguments. Like really, I have no idea what you're talking about, you must be much stronger. :)
And I'm not comparing me versus losers, I'm comparing me against the pool. The pool just happens to be 90% losing players. Also, my presence at the table obviously affects the winrate of my opponents, but I doubt it affects the amount of rake they're paying.
Hey Alvin, Curious theory question here. When we simplify our strategy to make things easier for our "human" brains. We will be technically giving up some Ev for each simplification throughout a quote on quote perfect GTO strategy. Correct?
What about Raise your Edge & Carrot corner & Upswing Poker Ranges?
I actually understand what you mean but I don't fully agree or my game don't seems to play optimally with this style of play.
Example having pocket 6 3bet facing a tight range opener. Villain call, flop two over then what. Villain seldom fold better hand and fold worst hand Post flop.
When hero has medium strength hand, villain don't fold better hand and don't call with worst hand what is the benefit of raising.
Raising to get most worst hand call value ,raising to get most better hand fold bluff. Or to raise to deny equity.
Of course what u mention so far in the video I understand your point
Everyone should go where the most money and enjoyment for them is but high rake cash games feel like they’re borderline not even really poker. I played only cash a few years ago (God everyone (myself included) was horrible and not playing like this)) in the pre solver/solvers justttt starting to be a thing era and thought MTTs were stupid and not poker.
Now I play MTTs for a living and playing poker without an ante and with very little/no cold calling feels ridiculous and I love the complicated preflop mixing strategies and all the single raised pots with wide ranges that tournaments lend themselves to. Not having to make preflop decisions based on rake is a beautiful thing. However, from my cash game days, I still sort of hate having to obey and respond to constant ICM factors in the late game. I guess deep stacked cash with an ante and low/no rake is the only “real” poker in a perfect world to me 😂
Cool story
AlvinTeachesPoker Ouch! 😀
I'm an MTT player but I love your content. Keep calling out the BS coaching out there (but not too loudly ;) ). This is what poker is all about, using the available tools and knowledge to construct a strategy for yourself rather than looking for 'the ultimate all-encompassing strategy'. The fact that your strategy is just so different from what I do in MTTs (rake-free, ante's, shorter stacks) just shows the complexity of this game and gives a whole new perspective
Yeah I'm trying to slowly learn mtts and it's night and day. Wtf risk premiums, I just want to shove qq pls
Hey Alvin, great video thanks.. My big blind is bb/100 -50 and small blind bb/100 -32 in 40K hands .. another positions good profit but my blinds so awfull.. What's your recommend for me ?
Hey Alvin, do you think it's valid to compare a sample where you have an equal number of hands in all positions to a sample where over 50% of "Opponents" hands are in the BB? (124k of the 222k hand sample are in BB)
I think this would lead to their winrates being far lower and paying more rake. For example, you comment on their winrate being -40bb/100 and their CC being 23% despite a significant portion of these stats being from the BB.
I think that the points you make are probably valid, but the data used to demonstrate them seems inaccurate.
I THINK (and might be totally wrong) that zoom doesn't include the hands that villain folded before hero's action (which is why I have steal 100% in button and sb but I don't do that), so they're playing more hands just not being counted when they don't vpip. That's why there's way more bb than utg, but it shouldn't affect rake. I might be reallllly wrong.
And their winrates suck because I'm at the table blowing them up, right??? :D :D
@@AlvinTeachesPoker
That may be contributing to some extent but there are couple of things that imply there is at least one other factor at play:
- Opponents do not have 100% VPIP in the hands from EP - In fact they have a fairly believable progression of 23, 25, 29, 35, 34, 30 for VPIP around the table.
- The hand distribution is not simply less from earlier positions - It is 24k EP, 25k MP, 8k CO, 33k BU, 6.6k SB, 125k BB
The most unusual of all of these in my opinion is the immense disparity between BB and SB. I'm not sure how this could have happened tbh. You mentioned that the sample was a combination of your opponents and students - it could be that some subset of this sample has already been filtered either before entering your database or in the "Opponents" group?
Also want to mention that I like the content you produce in general and I appreciate your response! :D
Yeah I agree and have no idea. :D sometimes there aren't full tables, but that obviously won't count for disparities in the thousands of hands. I'm really not sure, sorry I can't give it a better answer!
How do you get the aggregated opponent data in HM3 from ignition? I'd like to reverse engineer my population's ranges by position at my stake.
You just import it and your opponents are the positions.
Hi Alvin ! Does your cbet simplification work for polarized 3bet range like you can have in the big bling or it is only with linear 3bet range ? Thanks man I think you are one of the best teacher I ever know !
Absolutely does not work for polarized 3bet range, you must polarize post imo!
Hey alvin, live your videos
What do you think about having flatting range on GGPoker when they take rake preflop too? (5% 3BB Cap)
3bet that shit
@@AlvinTeachesPoker what about flatting range from BB?
@@santosaraceno5088 call tightly 3bet big
hey alvin, how long is the coupon good for? i'd like to get overnightmonster, but im still working thru the free material on your youtube.
Until quarantine lifts in Chicago
Thanks for the video Alvin! Would you mind telling what stakes is that?
This is a mix of 25 to 200nl and its true for everyone within those stakes. Really it's whatever is running when my friends want to sweat me playing their limits.
Hi Alvin, you seem to be a good player. Why are you playing such low limits as 50nl? And not 500+ ?
I only play those limits to demonstrate to students / show that gto principles dominate the low stakes. My primary games are 5/10-100/200 private games, but zero chance I'd ever show those here. :)
My summer plans this year were to move to LA to play high stakes, but pandemic virus problems.
If I'm not mistaken, Ignition is an 'anonymous' poker site right? What if you're playing this type of strategy in a live game or non-anonymous setting. Have you noticed how your opponents are trying to adjust to your aggression? How are you supposed to deal with people playing back at you in different ways? Much appreciated!
I honestly don't play with a hud, or play any differently live, or play much differently between stakes. They all still make the same mistakes. The higher you get, the more people play back /thinly in general, and you just err closer to equilibrium than you should against more passive opponents. But many of the same leaks this style exploits exist at high stakes, which is why some of the hands look so crazy. If you saw how I played 5nl, it would look a lot like how I play 400nl, and if I posted hands people would say "that doesn't work at x or Y stakes" not really knowing what I was trying to achieve.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker I guess just staying alert for people nitting it up or tilting is the main exploit then :) I play on Unibet, hudless poker FTW!
Hey Alvin i've been watching your videos and have improved my game. Thanks for making them.
Great to hear that buddy! Keep going!
What is the most important factor we should look out for when a hand is borderline between fold/3b (if we never flat)
Lets say pocket 5s on the btn vs co open
2. question , if someone opens and there is a flat call, should we still play 3b or fold? Does the dead money make us even more inclined to 3b than call?
Great video as always
If someone flats I'll flat, or I'll RARELY open flat to induce from behind, but even in the video I wonder if I should just squeeze instead. It's close, over whatever sample I'm winning 150bb/100 plus both 3bet and flatting button but very small sample sizes on the flats.
Mmm I don't think there's an important factor. How brave are you feeling today? Go for it and see what happens.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Thanks a lot Alvin
Ive been playing 3b or fold in thr micros works very well
just constructing these ranges is tricky
Alvin would you agree that if a player is not considering the rake structure in their game, they will not be a part of the top 5% in the pool?
Uhmmm that's hard to say, but I'm sure adding is 3bb/100 off the bat is going to help you reach that 5%!!
So you’re suggesting just 3b your entire range of hands you wanna play post? Don’t we have to surrender a lot of equity with our non-nutted holdings (77-TT) (JTs,KJs) etc when we get 4b?
That's assuming you fold those all of those hands to 4bets. You don't.
AlvinTeachesPoker fair enough, so basically on 6max cash you’re saying it’s best to have a 3b/fold strat?
No, that not an accurate statement. You should watch the video again.
Since accounting for rake I pay around 20% less in rake than the average player pool at my stakes (including myself). I still CC fun players with blatant postflop mistakes, though. (eg. obvious stations and total maniacs, whose mistakes post are much bigger than pre.)
Yeah I'm my sample I'm a 180/bb winner cold calling the fish versus 160ish 3betting generally, but sample size for the first is so low. But ccing in premium situations is certainly plus ev, it's just is it better than 3betting? Hard to tell, closer than we all suspect in high rake, possibly.
So only 3b or fold pre? No flatting range except from bb?
Hey I made a new video you should check about this subject!
I guess this only applies to cash games and not MTT’s (especially not high stakes)?
MTTs often have ante's and you don't pay rake on the pot you win.
Why there are so many stupid guys saying shit here, even this guy pour his knowledge to us. I always appreciate your works.
Hey alvin i like the work you are doing for poker but it will be even better if you don't name shame a player or website; i know the thing which you are providing us is much more advanced than those of red chip poker but thay site is not meant for advanced strategies i think...if someone is starting his poker career they can't jump directly to solvers especially for lower mid stake so we all should respect every member of our poker community; thanks for your videos they have helped me a lot i m just starting playing mid stake nd had just started learning about G.T.O. your content have much more value than many of paid contents.
Life is short. Speak your mind, son.
Appreciate your feedback nonetheless.
Disagree, if they're profiting from publishing sub par content then it should be scrutinised. If anything Alvin is helping them. Also it's detrimental to the learner to educate themselves from a poor source.
True the free market will filter the obsolete content
What sites offer the most beatable rake structures at the micros? GG Poker rakes preflop.... WTF
I think all the micros games are really beatable despite rake, you can just play to pay less from the get go.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker ty for the replies, boss
the problem is most player don't have skill edge on 3bet postflop.
It's hard to argue that mucking things up after a 3bet isn't going to naturally be more profitable than mucking it up after flatting. Plus the instant rake advantage.
And what, you should play the worse option instead of just improving?
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Flatting ranges can be possible at regular tables where you have like insane feel and read on the players, what is their knowledge/ level etc. At zoom/fast forward , especially if the pool is really big that you have literally 0 info on most of players, you can fire 3 barrels just representing range OOP in SRP and you can't call IP 2-3 barrels in SRP with AQ on Axxxx just because you fucked up preflop. 3b or fold strat looks for me like simplification. Also was looking this crazy hands between Andy and Garret where they just represent range and they are right. And when we have raaaaaaake, maaan, 3b or fold is cool
@@AlvinTeachesPoker yeah I am trying. thanks for reply.
@Kody Stutzman How do you play small pps from button and blinds vs ep opens? Would you 3bet 22 and cbet on high card flops, triple off bc ur at the bottom of ur range or would that be a leak?
Yeah very interesting but i guess if youre 3betting alot you are exposing yourself to 4bet bluffs. And youre basically 3bet/folding 90% of the time. Your opponent can 4bet any 2 cards and print money. So then you have to adjust by 5bet/shoving 88 and aq ? And paying a ton of rake lol. I dont know maybe the field dont adapt well to your strat. They must call/fold too much right ? If you 3bet alot then i guess you have to stack off lighter also. Especially considering the fact that the risk/reward of a 4bet bluff is the best preflop.
If you think villain is 4bet bluffing a lot then why would I fold a lot?
@@AlvinTeachesPoker yeah sure bro, i guess we just have to adapt then which is what the game is all about at the end. Thanks for answering and your great teaching
Most importantly, it isn't just opinion, this is how a solver would approach this scenario.
Thanks for the awesome videos!
Dnegs is on his way to your house wearing a black suit with dark sunglasses :D
He'd be interesting to box. Squirrely.
Great video! 3 betting is a free atm lol...
thx alvin!
nice video . thx
Do you coach?
Tbh I hate humans so I only mentor people I kinda know and like, otherwise I'll probably throw my arms up and call you stupid. :D
@@AlvinTeachesPoker I don't mind been cursed. Just looking for someone who could help me with poker and beat the low limits
Gg rake 3bet Preflop, so it won’t matter.
fuck gg poker