Really don’t know why he’s still around this channel, he always seems to hate whatever Shad is doing and he has his own channel to do whatever he’d rather be doing.
@@bharl7226 You realise they play up for the camera right? Like the banter, the jabbing back and forth, one cracks jokes, gets excited, the other more down to earth and cynical...they're putting on a show. Think of Shadiversity like Top Gear for swords, and it makes more sense.
In Karate, the yells during strike attacks hold 3 purposes: 1) rev yourself up for contact 2) expel air from your lungs so a counter strike can’t “knock the wind out of you”. 3) force a pattern of breathing to keep a steady stream of oxygen happening. A lot of people forget to breath steadily during a fight, which hurts endurance.
Additionally, there are psychological factors at play. Striking someone while yelling is intimidating and might either make the opponent not pay attention or consider himself more hurt. Honestly it's just good practice to yell on strikes, but it's important to do it right. It's a guttural yell that expels air from your body, not a high pierced shriek.
Or, and hear me out on this, just EXHALE WITHOUT YELLING LMAO. Seriously, the yelling gives no advantage. In fact, I would argue you're letting the air out in an uncontrolled manner and not using the force you could be using. I used to do kickboxing and a strong exhale to maximize power does not include a wide open mouth. Usually you exhale with the mouth opened just a bit to have a constant, very strong exhale throughout the entire movement. By yelling you are literally not getting that air out efficiently and if you need to shout to rev yourself up you are a terrible fighter anyways. Seriously, if you need to scream to get yourself ready to hit someone, you are probably a middle schooler that hasn't really fought before. So yeah, all advantages you mentioned do NOT require the screaming part. Just the breathing part. And the breathing part can be done MUCH better than with a wide open mouth you'd have while yelling. The yelling is a pointless, showmanshiplike tradition. A useless tradition, which is very common in maaaaany asian martial arts. While I don't think Karate is among the fake, useless martial arts, like aikido or wing chun, karate has useless elements that are only kept for tradition. The most obvious one being the drawn back fist at your hip. You know why they call an overly wound up hit a sucker punch? It's not something cool like people seem to think. The term originated from fighters calling you a sucker if you punched like that because the punch is telegraphed so much that they can easily dodge it every single time. Same for the karate hip loaded punches. It is a stupid stance that offers stronger hits which will never hit a competent opponent, thus making the marginal power difference irrelevant. And also it sacrifices a LOT of defensive advantages you get from having both hands raised in front of you. It's just stupid. TLDR: The yells are useless, learning proper breathing is pretty easy and doesn't require any yelling. Karate has some terribly useless traditions. Don't try to justify them. If you TRULY loved an art, you would want to improve on it and make it the best it could be instead of hanging on to tradition and letting it stay mediocre.
Why did you have to remind me of this horrid drought!? I shall now be constrained in utter darkness as we wait for the next year to arrive I'm just glad this darkness we are in does not reside in Everfall (though we may feel as if we are in danger from attacks of a greater shade).
The Darwin Awards is when someone dies. I think ONE of the clips they've reacted to in the past 3-4 videos may count. Most of the rest wouldn't even be contenders, let alone winners.
4:28 about the yelling part. During a preparation sparing for his black belt, the guy facing me shouted at the very start. He surprised me. And this grown adult mf took the opportunity to sucker punched in the stomac a 15yo me (and when I was barely able to breath again, I ran after him to kick his ass and the sparing was cancelled :D). So yeah, it can work, sometime.
Regarding fencing, there’s 3 different weapons(sabre, épée, foil), and idk about sabre, but as someone who does épée, you are generally trained to parry and avoid doubles, but they score double-hits for both players, as the sword the épée was the training for was a less-lethal dueling sword. In sabre(and foil) they have right-of-way, which is meant to discourage doubles by transferring right of way from the attacker to the defender if they parry successfully, making it so that if both were to start going toward each other, the person who moves second needs to actually defend themselves to get the point. But, this also has the possible adverse effect of both fencers charging at each other to get right of way. In short, in the clips you show, it isn’t fencing per se itself that is causing this, but the players themselves acting in a way that isn’t orthodox with how fencing is taught.
It’s got to be fake. Who the hell just randomly has a camera behind them while they are supposedly fishing with homemade nunchucks in their back pocket?
Yelling evacuates the air from your lungs and reduces the pain of a torso hit. That is how it was explained to me as a child in taekwondo, and why we yelled during the harder strikes. Because you’re more likely to be counter striked. (Yes it can also be startling)
I know this video is supposed to be funny, but I just want to interject regarding the behavior of those fencers. Back many moons ago when I was fencing in college, that kind of behavior was not permitted. No coach would let their fencers yell and scream like that. As I recall, there were also penalties for removing your mask before the referee ended the match. I wouldn't fence those idiots simply because of their behavior.
In defence of olympic fencing (as na MCF practitioner, which is more practical variant of olympic fencing): in sabre if two combatants hit each other it's not simbly "who hit first scores". Scoring system tries to discourage being suicidal. Tho its kinda hard anyway when its sport and you are using sporting sabre which is insanely light (thats why in MCF we only use sporting sabres for training purposes, but proper dueling sabres for competition). (Anyway, i prefer smallsword/épée fencing rather than sabre)
0:46 Godskin Noble taking some time off. Gotta love it, hope that other dude watches out for his special move - he's deceptively quick at short distances.
As a fencer in high school we always tried to not to do as you say suicide attack we promoted more controlled functional duels with more parries and I feel like more functionality. The screams and large celebrations I think are a bit overboard
3:55 We've literally seen a guy with a katana in a similar body shape charge at armed cops in the parking lot in this series, at this point I've lost faith in humanity enough to not know if this is real or fake, I'd hope it is fake, but at this point there's no guarantee...
Saber is slightly different from the other olimipic fencing disciplines as far as charging each other goes, and , in foil at least, the rule of priority forces the fencers to not just skewer each other as fast as possible.
Kendoka here. We kiai. It’s needed to get and ippon. Is supposed to show that the strike is deliberate. It also helps to heighten adrenaline during a shiai.
As for the nunchuck thing, it's *not* the nunchuck I would worry about, I genuinely fear more about either being squashed to death, or being suffocated by all that blubber, *maybe* being eaten alive by that thing.
12:44 as someone who was trained by a national level fencer and her olympic level fencer mother, ive noticed a difference, low level fencing is much more like an actual sword fight where both opponents are cautious, then at national level its a mix of taking your time and striking at the perfect moment, then for olympic level, its just instant go. Aka you lunge at them at hope to got you score the point. Theres lots of defensive maneuvers that they teach however at high levels doing anything but trying to score as soon as the match starts your throwing the match. As someone who trained in actual hema style swordsmanship before stepping into fencing, after you get over the way in which you hold a foil (pistol grip) a lot of what’s different between swordfighting and fencing is blade control, im not talking about controlling your blade, im saying you’re constantly wanting to be controlling your opponents blade with yours to try to create a direct line between the tip of your blade and they’re chest. My win loss ratio against the national level fencer was around 10-40 in her favour (we dated so we fenced a lot) and for her olympic level mother my recored was 1-3 in her favour. The last time i fenced her i realized she didnt give me time to strategize so i just relied on side stepping and trusting to avoid her blade and land my own stab. That does not work against a national level fencer because they will still take the time to see what you’re doing. All in all it’s easier to score points on a olympic level fencer than a national level one. In my experience.
Olympic fencing is incredibly fast and has rather complicated "right of way" rules, so the all the shouting and jumping about in celebration is an attempt on the part of the fencer to convince the judge that their touch is valid and the other guy's is not. It's on par with the soccer players dramatic theatrics in an attempt to get a foul called on the opposing team.
When doing Martial arts we learnt it's not a shout but tightening of muscles and breathing out of the air so as to tighten the core muscles to receive a blow or to do a more powerful hit. The only time someone shouted was when we took part in all styles full contact nationals, they were trying to intimidate someone while charging and shouting and the opponent knocked them over after sidestepping.
4:55 in martial arts they teach u to make noises based on strikes because it forces u to use proper breathing techniques i think it's weird and poi less too I can just breath but that's what I was taught
Nah I fully agree with Shad. Olympic fencing has near nothing resembling actual sword play. Look at older clips of Olympic fencing where there was actual back and forth. Versus now where it's all in the lunge and whoever touches first. It is fencing in name only. Now, were it to be judged more like aerobics where there's style points, and a little bit of boxing where you get points for contact or controlling the engagement area. That could lead to some amazing sword play. Not necessarily realistic perhaps. But much better than spring-stab where the fastest wins.
It depends a lot on the weapon being used. There's a lot more back & forth with epee because the entire body from the top of the head to the bottom of the foot is a target and the first to hit gets the point. In foil & sabre your target area is much more limited; for foil it's just the front of the upper torso, and with sabre it's from the hip bones up (front & back) including the head. What makes foil & particularly sabre fencers do these crazy looking charges at each other is the right of way rule. Whoever initiates their attack first gets the right away which means that if they land their attack they score the point, even if their opponent hits them first. At each fencer (in foil & sabre) charge at each other almost simultaneously because they're trying to establish their right of wat to the judge.
I did a several week basic fencing (olympic style) class. One of the first things we were taught is to forget the association with sword fighting and see it as playing tag with an extender. It's cool, it's fun, but you are playing a game, not utilising proper fighting techniques.
So what’s the best sword? It’s a question of mind, It’s the one that aligns with your purpose and time. A weapon of justice, or vengeance unkind, The best sword’s the one you dare to define.
In martial arts the yelling part when you strike is for you to build confidence if you believe you can break something you can break it, if you believe you can't do it you won't be able to do it. it's a mental thing
These sword/weapon fail videos are awesome. I'm really digging them, lol. Although, I think your take on fencing is way off. It's the sport version of a fighting art, like boxing or MMA. There are things you do in those sports you wouldn't do in a real street fight, but it doesn't negate the value of most of it. It's not just about hitting the person first. Where you hit them counts, and even though they are both hitting each other, they use blunt-tipped swords with lots of padding. If that was a real rapier the first to strike would also pierce skin and possibly internal organs. Meaning the return strike could easily miss or not be vital. When I see HEMA people sparring with blunt-edged blades and tons of padding and helmets I see the same thing. They both hit each other, they both have kill shots. So, your critique applies to all but fights with real, sharp swords and real armor. I also have a feeling that most of the real sword fighters in history didn't get away scot-free. Like knife fights, I imagine even the victor of a sword fight usually walked away with some cuts and stab wounds.
5:08 The other reason why some might yell during sparring, is when they just had a bad day and just want to vent their anger. That someone with anger management issues.
In martial arts, people yell as part of breathing exercises. It forces you to exhale on a strike, which adds power. I think you're right about the amping up your adrenalin, as athletes do it in sports as well.
@@charlesmaurer6214There's a few across that I did care to watch at all just because their eyes unsettle me, hahahaha. And then there's Chancellor Gowron in Star Trek DeepSpace Nine (mostly, I think he was introduced in TNG). I always referred to him as 'crazy eyes'.
@@Grandwigg Like the Psi Corps Logo, must be a Lurker too. I think there is a medical condition related to eyes that can pop out like that and in the extreme even hang by the muscle and nerves. It is not normal and I can handle that but the bad writing for Trek after DS9 got to the point that the last I watched was Enterprise (and that was tough) Voyager was fun at first but also got bad fast. When they advertised for Discovery with crew acting like drugged out hippies and cheerleading bimbos that dropped out of high school I quit trek except for the J.J. Abrams films. Then Picard was so bad they had to break Sir Patrick's contract to do fan service to salvage it by bringing back the crew and the D. Then in the ads explained they had to go analog over digital as the reason for needing the D. A load of BS there as even 1701 with no letter was a digital system. The reason Trek has lost fans is they forgot who the fans were. After Gene Trek has been on life support and Paramount is afraid to pull the plug on their comatose goose after the gold eggs turned brown.
4:30 The biggest benefit to shouting when you strike is that it forces you to breathe. You'd be amazed how many fights last less than 3 minutes because the adrenaline rush makes someone forget to breathe.
you guys are def doing something right. The algorithm is recommending me more shadiversity stuff and screen tested videos this past month than in a long time. Sadly not much from the knights watch side I still have to manually check them but your other 2 channels are popping up more frequently and the videos are really fun
I was told by a couple shaolin kempo blackbelts that the purpose of the yelling was to force you to breathe before striking. That exerting the yelling causes you to subconsciously tense your lower body toward the target and ground your strike. So that you are pushing your leg into the ground in the direction of your target and stabilize your body. They were instructed to vocalize yelling during practice.
I can agree with yelling ordering a Kiyai occasionally while practicing or for me if I'm working out which by the way I do by myself at my own home if I need to get my adrenaline going or get back in the zone. To help in Judah we commonly did it while doing certain break falls. However to be constantly screaming and yelling all the time is very counterproductive like to do it here and there for the right reasons makes total sense
The real problem with martial arts in general is the pursuit of flashiness in many martial arts they have for competition throw away the traditional right way of doing things for flash
4:28 Tyranth asks about shouting during training here. A good question. In my style it teaches us focus and breath control primarily. During training, a shout can be used to get your mind in the "zone". But also, it's exhalation, meaning you have to then inhale. So we use it to teach both focus and breath control. Outside of training I don't see a use for ot other than to maybe shout to get attention. In this case, it causes others to look at the situation and gives you witnesses.
I have Screamed during Training... But that was selfdefense and the instructor gave us that tip to surprise/confuse/distract the oponent in a Potential life or death Situation
funny how both of them are quite adamant about not watching fencing, yet neither of them make a point to say they don't normally watch fat men with nun chucks.
I trained in a martial art that had a "shout" every time you hit or were hit. One of the reasons it was explained to me was to make it natural if you were actually in a fight. You want to draw as much attention as possible since you're the good guy in the situation.
I agree with Shad. Fencing is not swordsmanship. It's literally all about who makes contact first and nothing else matters. Swordsmanship is also about surviving the fight.
5:13 Occasionally I've seen people shout while working out. This in the context of old style kung fu or weight lifting, where it's something so difficult it's actually a bit painful. It hurts, but you can't move or stop, so you let that emotion out in a scream, and you make it angry-sounding to psyche yourself up and remind yourself why you're there (to fight).
8:30, the guy looking surprised (or whatever THAT is) at the camera just look like a confused "Dr. Brown" from Back to the Future... I can't stop laughing at it 😂
Fencing is a fun game/sport. I took instruction in fencing for about three months. The only thing the instructors successfully explained was that fencing instruction was not directly useful in a fight. They made that abundantly clear, and made my family agree that we understood, before they would accept our money. Very nice guys. Bad teachers. I had a lot of fun.
Shad fact: Shad typically remains calm in combat because if he was to scream or shout while fighting, the shockwaves from his voice would destroy pretty much everything around him.
One thing I learned about yelling is it forces you to breathe, and if you practice making noise when you're training for a self-defense scenario, if you get into an actually dangerous situation there's a chance you'll alert help. I'm not used to yelling normally and wouldn't think to yell for help, except that I practiced punching and blocking with yelling.
The yelling in training is actually done for the exact reason you guessed. I was taught to ramp up adrenaline and try to psych out my opponent. the mental part never worked for obvious reasons but it did help get my adrenaline pumping in a fight.
The main purpose of the shout when striking is that it trains you to tighten your core to support the strike. A short, forceful exhale does the same thing but is harder to teach newcomers. In training, it also helps accustom people to volume and violence being connected. However, it should never be long or drawn-out, nor excessively loud; it should be a short, controlled shout in the center of your vocal range and without straining for the sound itself. Otherwise you turn into a modern tennis player.
I was watching anime last night. It was called Fairy Tail, and there is a character named Erza Scarlet who has the magic ability to change her armor and weapons almost instantly. I immediately thought of Shadiversity lol.
When I was in tae kwon do, my instructor said the only time to yell was at the moment of impact. The reason was that this minutely changed the stacking of your body and improved your momentary lock-out of the strike, which improved power delivery. Gross over-simplification, but I agree with your comment that in that video it was mostly to hype himself up and try to look intimidating.
During my Marine Corps training yelling was a way to build up lung compacity, duration, and to be heard during the times of need when out in the field and/or giving commands.... hope that helps
Shad the first video... You owe me for emotional and physical damages I laughed so hard I fell OUT of my chair and bonked my head on the desk. If we Ever meet in person you owe me the first round of drinks for my suffering. Second round is on me. 🤣 PS Video idea Pro Fencer Vs actual swordsman.
Shad nevers seems as disturbed by these as Tyranth is. More like entertained. Tyranth often just seems to be in genuine pain. His True Martial Artist's soul cannot handle the audacity lmao
The guy slicing the tomato is David Bateman, he is the living embodiment of the word cringe. He quite literally made up his own karate association so he could award himself a master/blackbelt rating.
As usual Shad is laughing Tyranth is just dying inside.
I'm here for it
Really don’t know why he’s still around this channel, he always seems to hate whatever Shad is doing and he has his own channel to do whatever he’d rather be doing.
@@bharl7226 Have you not seen his little smirk whenever he gets one over Shad? He loves it. XD
@@CloudBorne good point, he definitely enjoys the competition between them
@@bharl7226 You realise they play up for the camera right? Like the banter, the jabbing back and forth, one cracks jokes, gets excited, the other more down to earth and cynical...they're putting on a show. Think of Shadiversity like Top Gear for swords, and it makes more sense.
Swords are awesome. Idiots are not.
Brandon Swordera
Idiots are awsome for entertainment purposes.
What do you mean? Idiots with swords are awesome.
Idiots with swords are dangerous to themselves and those around them.
Don't tell me your idiot 😅 , and got offended 😂
In Karate, the yells during strike attacks hold 3 purposes:
1) rev yourself up for contact
2) expel air from your lungs so a counter strike can’t “knock the wind out of you”.
3) force a pattern of breathing to keep a steady stream of oxygen happening. A lot of people forget to breath steadily during a fight, which hurts endurance.
you forgot - 4) striking on exhale allows to transfer more power in to the strike:) and what is a yell if not a loud exhale?)
And then there is the dub for Bruce Lee's fighting 😅
Additionally, there are psychological factors at play. Striking someone while yelling is intimidating and might either make the opponent not pay attention or consider himself more hurt.
Honestly it's just good practice to yell on strikes, but it's important to do it right. It's a guttural yell that expels air from your body, not a high pierced shriek.
@@vezokpiraka consider himself more hurt? Wtf 😅
Or, and hear me out on this, just EXHALE WITHOUT YELLING LMAO.
Seriously, the yelling gives no advantage. In fact, I would argue you're letting the air out in an uncontrolled manner and not using the force you could be using.
I used to do kickboxing and a strong exhale to maximize power does not include a wide open mouth. Usually you exhale with the mouth opened just a bit to have a constant, very strong exhale throughout the entire movement.
By yelling you are literally not getting that air out efficiently and if you need to shout to rev yourself up you are a terrible fighter anyways.
Seriously, if you need to scream to get yourself ready to hit someone, you are probably a middle schooler that hasn't really fought before.
So yeah, all advantages you mentioned do NOT require the screaming part. Just the breathing part. And the breathing part can be done MUCH better than with a wide open mouth you'd have while yelling. The yelling is a pointless, showmanshiplike tradition. A useless tradition, which is very common in maaaaany asian martial arts.
While I don't think Karate is among the fake, useless martial arts, like aikido or wing chun, karate has useless elements that are only kept for tradition.
The most obvious one being the drawn back fist at your hip.
You know why they call an overly wound up hit a sucker punch? It's not something cool like people seem to think. The term originated from fighters calling you a sucker if you punched like that because the punch is telegraphed so much that they can easily dodge it every single time.
Same for the karate hip loaded punches. It is a stupid stance that offers stronger hits which will never hit a competent opponent, thus making the marginal power difference irrelevant.
And also it sacrifices a LOT of defensive advantages you get from having both hands raised in front of you. It's just stupid.
TLDR: The yells are useless, learning proper breathing is pretty easy and doesn't require any yelling. Karate has some terribly useless traditions. Don't try to justify them. If you TRULY loved an art, you would want to improve on it and make it the best it could be instead of hanging on to tradition and letting it stay mediocre.
I'd be less worried about the nunchuks than being eaten...
I can arrange the second one being a bear. 🐻
Sat on...
Cant believe i have to wait until next year to see another Shadiversity video.
The Jews caused this.
Why did you have to remind me of this horrid drought!?
I shall now be constrained in utter darkness as we wait for the next year to arrive
I'm just glad this darkness we are in does not reside in Everfall (though we may feel as if we are in danger from attacks of a greater shade).
I didn’t expect a medieval equivalent of “The Darwin Awards” but I’m here for it
The Darwin Awards is when someone dies. I think ONE of the clips they've reacted to in the past 3-4 videos may count. Most of the rest wouldn't even be contenders, let alone winners.
I thought the same thing when I clicked it!
Please don’t correct the typo in the title, it legitimately brightened my day and makes the video perfect.
That first guy looks like he ate a frakkin kumite, referee & all😂
Perfect ice cream cone physique 🍦
@IcecalGamer 😂😂 definitely
@@IcecalGamerCan't unsee that now 😂
Big Belly Kelly seems to have crawled out of the pond and is flailing around with Nunchucks off Temu
4:28 about the yelling part.
During a preparation sparing for his black belt, the guy facing me shouted at the very start. He surprised me.
And this grown adult mf took the opportunity to sucker punched in the stomac a 15yo me
(and when I was barely able to breath again, I ran after him to kick his ass and the sparing was cancelled :D).
So yeah, it can work, sometime.
When I did Karate as a white belt, I was told to yell with every practice punch. I later found out that it was just to teach breathing techniques.
Thanks Shad, the first clip scarred me for life. Someone pass the eye bleach.
I resorted to holding my phone up to obscure the television for that one hahaha
r/Eyebleach
Regarding fencing, there’s 3 different weapons(sabre, épée, foil), and idk about sabre, but as someone who does épée, you are generally trained to parry and avoid doubles, but they score double-hits for both players, as the sword the épée was the training for was a less-lethal dueling sword. In sabre(and foil) they have right-of-way, which is meant to discourage doubles by transferring right of way from the attacker to the defender if they parry successfully, making it so that if both were to start going toward each other, the person who moves second needs to actually defend themselves to get the point. But, this also has the possible adverse effect of both fencers charging at each other to get right of way. In short, in the clips you show, it isn’t fencing per se itself that is causing this, but the players themselves acting in a way that isn’t orthodox with how fencing is taught.
McFluffy was wielding an uber nunchuk, so he’s the clear winner today
What's an uber nunchaku?
It’s got to be fake. Who the hell just randomly has a camera behind them while they are supposedly fishing with homemade nunchucks in their back pocket?
@ ofc it is, but who even cares when Tyranth’s reaction is that funny
That man has solidified his name as Numb-Chuck.
Yelling evacuates the air from your lungs and reduces the pain of a torso hit. That is how it was explained to me as a child in taekwondo, and why we yelled during the harder strikes. Because you’re more likely to be counter striked. (Yes it can also be startling)
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@@Enhancedlies Yeah, but you can also forcefully exhale. It's mostly about adrenaline.
I know this video is supposed to be funny, but I just want to interject regarding the behavior of those fencers. Back many moons ago when I was fencing in college, that kind of behavior was not permitted. No coach would let their fencers yell and scream like that. As I recall, there were also penalties for removing your mask before the referee ended the match. I wouldn't fence those idiots simply because of their behavior.
Tyranth has way to much faith in humanity.
In defence of olympic fencing (as na MCF practitioner, which is more practical variant of olympic fencing): in sabre if two combatants hit each other it's not simbly "who hit first scores". Scoring system tries to discourage being suicidal.
Tho its kinda hard anyway when its sport and you are using sporting sabre which is insanely light (thats why in MCF we only use sporting sabres for training purposes, but proper dueling sabres for competition).
(Anyway, i prefer smallsword/épée fencing rather than sabre)
I love the reaction videos. This video is CINEMA! 😂
0:46 Godskin Noble taking some time off. Gotta love it, hope that other dude watches out for his special move - he's deceptively quick at short distances.
As a fencer in high school we always tried to not to do as you say suicide attack we promoted more controlled functional duels with more parries and I feel like more functionality. The screams and large celebrations I think are a bit overboard
3:55 We've literally seen a guy with a katana in a similar body shape charge at armed cops in the parking lot in this series, at this point I've lost faith in humanity enough to not know if this is real or fake, I'd hope it is fake, but at this point there's no guarantee...
3:10 Tyranth looks like he wants to wash off the cringe in a shower....or 10.
He did look a little pale there for bit.
@2:20 You can see the face of a man internally dying.
Saber is slightly different from the other olimipic fencing disciplines as far as charging each other goes, and , in foil at least, the rule of priority forces the fencers to not just skewer each other as fast as possible.
As someone who used to fence I can confirm some people in that sport are pretty crazy. Fencing is not for everyone but it is loads of fun.
“I’m not searching for clues in this picture Shad.”, is one of the best lines this year.
8:50 The look of "I didn't even touch it!"
Tyranth doesn't feel the need to yell? No Skyrim for you!
Shad videos have started showing up in my feed again this week
Kendoka here. We kiai. It’s needed to get and ippon. Is supposed to show that the strike is deliberate. It also helps to heighten adrenaline during a shiai.
"cring" typo plus the vid is 13:37 long. Perfect vid to end the year 🎉 😂
Ahh. Elite humor from the team. Or torture, I'm undecided.
First guy has natural body armor!
Edit: I thought he was photoshopped 💀
Is tuition available to Shadiversity?
As for the nunchuck thing, it's *not* the nunchuck I would worry about, I genuinely fear more about either being squashed to death, or being suffocated by all that blubber, *maybe* being eaten alive by that thing.
Two guys roasting some funny videos is a nice New Year's gift to us
Happy new year 🎉
I just always assumed the yelling was the same as you get in tennis... no idea why they do it in that either though 😂
12:44 as someone who was trained by a national level fencer and her olympic level fencer mother, ive noticed a difference, low level fencing is much more like an actual sword fight where both opponents are cautious, then at national level its a mix of taking your time and striking at the perfect moment, then for olympic level, its just instant go. Aka you lunge at them at hope to got you score the point. Theres lots of defensive maneuvers that they teach however at high levels doing anything but trying to score as soon as the match starts your throwing the match.
As someone who trained in actual hema style swordsmanship before stepping into fencing, after you get over the way in which you hold a foil (pistol grip) a lot of what’s different between swordfighting and fencing is blade control, im not talking about controlling your blade, im saying you’re constantly wanting to be controlling your opponents blade with yours to try to create a direct line between the tip of your blade and they’re chest.
My win loss ratio against the national level fencer was around 10-40 in her favour (we dated so we fenced a lot) and for her olympic level mother my recored was 1-3 in her favour. The last time i fenced her i realized she didnt give me time to strategize so i just relied on side stepping and trusting to avoid her blade and land my own stab. That does not work against a national level fencer because they will still take the time to see what you’re doing.
All in all it’s easier to score points on a olympic level fencer than a national level one. In my experience.
As a follow up, i had never seen the national level fencer beat her mother. Her mother knew everything she was going to do before she would do it
Olympic fencing is incredibly fast and has rather complicated "right of way" rules, so the all the shouting and jumping about in celebration is an attempt on the part of the fencer to convince the judge that their touch is valid and the other guy's is not. It's on par with the soccer players dramatic theatrics in an attempt to get a foul called on the opposing team.
(There is a typo in the title - it says "CRING" rather than "CRINGE")
When doing Martial arts we learnt it's not a shout but tightening of muscles and breathing out of the air so as to tighten the core muscles to receive a blow or to do a more powerful hit. The only time someone shouted was when we took part in all styles full contact nationals, they were trying to intimidate someone while charging and shouting and the opponent knocked them over after sidestepping.
4:55 in martial arts they teach u to make noises based on strikes because it forces u to use proper breathing techniques i think it's weird and poi less too I can just breath but that's what I was taught
Nah I fully agree with Shad. Olympic fencing has near nothing resembling actual sword play. Look at older clips of Olympic fencing where there was actual back and forth. Versus now where it's all in the lunge and whoever touches first. It is fencing in name only. Now, were it to be judged more like aerobics where there's style points, and a little bit of boxing where you get points for contact or controlling the engagement area. That could lead to some amazing sword play. Not necessarily realistic perhaps. But much better than spring-stab where the fastest wins.
It depends a lot on the weapon being used. There's a lot more back & forth with epee because the entire body from the top of the head to the bottom of the foot is a target and the first to hit gets the point. In foil & sabre your target area is much more limited; for foil it's just the front of the upper torso, and with sabre it's from the hip bones up (front & back) including the head. What makes foil & particularly sabre fencers do these crazy looking charges at each other is the right of way rule. Whoever initiates their attack first gets the right away which means that if they land their attack they score the point, even if their opponent hits them first. At each fencer (in foil & sabre) charge at each other almost simultaneously because they're trying to establish their right of wat to the judge.
I did a several week basic fencing (olympic style) class. One of the first things we were taught is to forget the association with sword fighting and see it as playing tag with an extender. It's cool, it's fun, but you are playing a game, not utilising proper fighting techniques.
Happy New Year!
The wires on the fencing video are thiccer than the actual swords
So what’s the best sword? It’s a question of mind,
It’s the one that aligns with your purpose and time.
A weapon of justice, or vengeance unkind,
The best sword’s the one you dare to define.
The nunchaku guy was great😂
In martial arts the yelling part when you strike is for you to build confidence if you believe you can break something you can break it, if you believe you can't do it you won't be able to do it. it's a mental thing
These sword/weapon fail videos are awesome. I'm really digging them, lol.
Although, I think your take on fencing is way off. It's the sport version of a fighting art, like boxing or MMA. There are things you do in those sports you wouldn't do in a real street fight, but it doesn't negate the value of most of it. It's not just about hitting the person first. Where you hit them counts, and even though they are both hitting each other, they use blunt-tipped swords with lots of padding. If that was a real rapier the first to strike would also pierce skin and possibly internal organs. Meaning the return strike could easily miss or not be vital. When I see HEMA people sparring with blunt-edged blades and tons of padding and helmets I see the same thing. They both hit each other, they both have kill shots.
So, your critique applies to all but fights with real, sharp swords and real armor. I also have a feeling that most of the real sword fighters in history didn't get away scot-free. Like knife fights, I imagine even the victor of a sword fight usually walked away with some cuts and stab wounds.
I would love for y’all to react to a classic video: “Ninja vs Cops Original” next time y’all do a video like this. Trust me, it’s a gem.
I trained with an olympic fencer when I was a kid and the fencing was seldom like the videos.
I hate this Sport fencing. It is nonsence to me to jump or to run into somebodys Blade.
Good Vid 🎉
Happy New Years to everyone
It was at that moment that Tyranth died inside.
Happy new year!
If that first video is real then my faith in humanity is completely lost.
It's obviously fake. Based on reality, but situationally engineered.
5:08 The other reason why some might yell during sparring, is when they just had a bad day and just want to vent their anger. That someone with anger management issues.
Sorry, what makes you guys 'real swordsmen'?
In martial arts, people yell as part of breathing exercises. It forces you to exhale on a strike, which adds power. I think you're right about the amping up your adrenalin, as athletes do it in sports as well.
In the slow-motion of that blonde with a sword it looks like his eyes are about to pop out of his head, a sign of being on something?
Reminds me of the Judge in Who Framed Roger Rabbit after the fake eyeballs pop out.
@@Marwolaeth01 Or the guy in a few Mel Brooks films that played "I"gor in Young Frankenstein. Those eyes were dammed.
@@charlesmaurer6214There's a few across that I did care to watch at all just because their eyes unsettle me, hahahaha.
And then there's Chancellor Gowron in Star Trek DeepSpace Nine (mostly, I think he was introduced in TNG). I always referred to him as 'crazy eyes'.
@@Grandwigg Like the Psi Corps Logo, must be a Lurker too. I think there is a medical condition related to eyes that can pop out like that and in the extreme even hang by the muscle and nerves. It is not normal and I can handle that but the bad writing for Trek after DS9 got to the point that the last I watched was Enterprise (and that was tough) Voyager was fun at first but also got bad fast. When they advertised for Discovery with crew acting like drugged out hippies and cheerleading bimbos that dropped out of high school I quit trek except for the J.J. Abrams films. Then Picard was so bad they had to break Sir Patrick's contract to do fan service to salvage it by bringing back the crew and the D. Then in the ads explained they had to go analog over digital as the reason for needing the D. A load of BS there as even 1701 with no letter was a digital system. The reason Trek has lost fans is they forgot who the fans were. After Gene Trek has been on life support and Paramount is afraid to pull the plug on their comatose goose after the gold eggs turned brown.
4:30 The biggest benefit to shouting when you strike is that it forces you to breathe. You'd be amazed how many fights last less than 3 minutes because the adrenaline rush makes someone forget to breathe.
HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS.....KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK...WE LOVE YOUR GUYS CONTENT
I always heard people say the yelling is a way to focus to do the attack correct and pump yourself up while training.
you guys are def doing something right. The algorithm is recommending me more shadiversity stuff and screen tested videos this past month than in a long time. Sadly not much from the knights watch side I still have to manually check them but your other 2 channels are popping up more frequently and the videos are really fun
I was told by a couple shaolin kempo blackbelts that the purpose of the yelling was to force you to breathe before striking. That exerting the yelling causes you to subconsciously tense your lower body toward the target and ground your strike. So that you are pushing your leg into the ground in the direction of your target and stabilize your body. They were instructed to vocalize yelling during practice.
I can agree with yelling ordering a Kiyai occasionally while practicing or for me if I'm working out which by the way I do by myself at my own home if I need to get my adrenaline going or get back in the zone. To help in Judah we commonly did it while doing certain break falls. However to be constantly screaming and yelling all the time is very counterproductive like to do it here and there for the right reasons makes total sense
My angry shouting/outbursts comes from being raised by an angry father
Right... And my narcissist behavior comes from having a mother...
@stonefox9124 my mother was more reserved and caring, my father was the one to act as if his issues were not issues at all.
The real problem with martial arts in general is the pursuit of flashiness in many martial arts they have for competition throw away the traditional right way of doing things for flash
Thank both of you guys for all the content, knowledge, and laughs, and have a great start into the new year!
haha I watched the first one the other day on fb
bloody hilarious bs this guy comes out with let alone what he whips out
4:28 Tyranth asks about shouting during training here. A good question. In my style it teaches us focus and breath control primarily. During training, a shout can be used to get your mind in the "zone". But also, it's exhalation, meaning you have to then inhale. So we use it to teach both focus and breath control. Outside of training I don't see a use for ot other than to maybe shout to get attention. In this case, it causes others to look at the situation and gives you witnesses.
I have Screamed during Training... But that was selfdefense and the instructor gave us that tip to surprise/confuse/distract the oponent in a Potential life or death Situation
that first clip just screams " 'Murica!"
funny how both of them are quite adamant about not watching fencing, yet neither of them make a point to say they don't normally watch fat men with nun chucks.
Olympic fencing seems like it's sword based laser tag.
I trained in a martial art that had a "shout" every time you hit or were hit. One of the reasons it was explained to me was to make it natural if you were actually in a fight. You want to draw as much attention as possible since you're the good guy in the situation.
I have learned that shouting allows me to use more of my muscles in unison
I agree with Shad. Fencing is not swordsmanship. It's literally all about who makes contact first and nothing else matters. Swordsmanship is also about surviving the fight.
13:37 video length is not lost on me
5:13 Occasionally I've seen people shout while working out. This in the context of old style kung fu or weight lifting, where it's something so difficult it's actually a bit painful. It hurts, but you can't move or stop, so you let that emotion out in a scream, and you make it angry-sounding to psyche yourself up and remind yourself why you're there (to fight).
Happy new year shad
8:30, the guy looking surprised (or whatever THAT is) at the camera just look like a confused "Dr. Brown" from Back to the Future... I can't stop laughing at it 😂
Fencing is a fun game/sport. I took instruction in fencing for about three months. The only thing the instructors successfully explained was that fencing instruction was not directly useful in a fight.
They made that abundantly clear, and made my family agree that we understood, before they would accept our money.
Very nice guys. Bad teachers. I had a lot of fun.
I mean, with nunchucks, his weapon has the flexibility to strike his opponent, something he couldn't do with a rigid weapon.
Finally! We have found the proper body type to make this weapon useful!
8:30 I have a challenge! Shad, Tyranth! make that Sword! LOL!
Shad fact: Shad typically remains calm in combat because if he was to scream or shout while fighting, the shockwaves from his voice would destroy pretty much everything around him.
One thing I learned about yelling is it forces you to breathe, and if you practice making noise when you're training for a self-defense scenario, if you get into an actually dangerous situation there's a chance you'll alert help.
I'm not used to yelling normally and wouldn't think to yell for help, except that I practiced punching and blocking with yelling.
Also, happy new year!
The yelling in training is actually done for the exact reason you guessed. I was taught to ramp up adrenaline and try to psych out my opponent. the mental part never worked for obvious reasons but it did help get my adrenaline pumping in a fight.
The main purpose of the shout when striking is that it trains you to tighten your core to support the strike. A short, forceful exhale does the same thing but is harder to teach newcomers. In training, it also helps accustom people to volume and violence being connected. However, it should never be long or drawn-out, nor excessively loud; it should be a short, controlled shout in the center of your vocal range and without straining for the sound itself. Otherwise you turn into a modern tennis player.
I was watching anime last night. It was called Fairy Tail, and there is a character named Erza Scarlet who has the magic ability to change her armor and weapons almost instantly. I immediately thought of Shadiversity lol.
When I was in tae kwon do, my instructor said the only time to yell was at the moment of impact. The reason was that this minutely changed the stacking of your body and improved your momentary lock-out of the strike, which improved power delivery. Gross over-simplification, but I agree with your comment that in that video it was mostly to hype himself up and try to look intimidating.
"It's a joke for the meme. Right?"
When you got to question it so hard, there's a good chance it isn't 😆
During my Marine Corps training yelling was a way to build up lung compacity, duration, and to be heard during the times of need when out in the field and/or giving commands.... hope that helps
Shad the first video... You owe me for emotional and physical damages I laughed so hard I fell OUT of my chair and bonked my head on the desk. If we Ever meet in person you owe me the first round of drinks for my suffering. Second round is on me. 🤣
PS Video idea Pro Fencer Vs actual swordsman.
In my Tie Kwan Do class we got told say HI or HEY as loud as we can to increase power or help strength.
Shad: "I saw these, so you have to too."
Tyranth: dies inside
Shad nevers seems as disturbed by these as Tyranth is. More like entertained. Tyranth often just seems to be in genuine pain. His True Martial Artist's soul cannot handle the audacity lmao
Your videos are hitting hard on my recommendations again since I've been looking at KCD 2 content. It comes out next month.
Happy New Year Shad and Tyranth 🎉
The guy slicing the tomato is David Bateman, he is the living embodiment of the word cringe. He quite literally made up his own karate association so he could award himself a master/blackbelt rating.