The difference is though MJ went to a 4 year college while LeBron came straight out of high school. So MJ hit the league with more experience than LeBron.
lol who agrees that if it werent for lebon, skip wouldnt be as popular as he is right now. i bet he was praying that the heat lost because his whole career revolves around lebron failing
Right now yes, Lebron is the best in the NBA. But in a few years Durant, after he has the same amount of time/experience in the league as Lebron, will be the best player in the NBA.
Lebron James won't even be top 5. And he'll never be better than Jordan. Jordan never lost 2 Finals. Jordan won 6 and was the MVP of all 6. Lebron will NEVER be better than Jordan or Russell. But he will go down as an all-time great player.
@@MrJonnyl123 how super was the teams kevin love never really showed up chris bosh wasnt super now kevin durant has been superteaming GS now the NETS and for the record im not even a Lebron fan like that but lets just honest
@@machoking2405 so u expected him to win a title with Brandon imgram lonzo ball and kuzma😂😂dont get me wrong Ingram and ball are Good young playeds but they arent good enough to b great in the playoffs
He will never win a ring The chosen one became the frozen one He won't get through my Spurs Ray Allen saved his legacy Beaten by a record margin Up 2-1 in the series and he loses on his home floor Draymond called LeBron the B word Kyrie deserved finals mvp Kevin Durant passed LeBron
Skip also said Peyton manning would Never win the title in 2006 and he did that season..and he said theyl broncos would regret giving Tebow away in 2012 which is ironic cause they almost went to 3 super bowls and 4 afc title games with manning in 4 years and won the damn thing .. ..so....LeBron could of won 3 in a row after skip said this if he showed up bs Dallas that next year ...funny how wrong he is..he also said the Seahawks wouldn't win in 2014 and said Joe flacco and Eli manning wouldn't win rings..the same season they won ..he's a funny guy
LeBron James won MVP because kyrie would have never got to shoot that if LeBron never got that block KD is not better he has a superteam and King James would be in the playoffs if he was never injured.
when skip said he doesnt have a killer instinct it was almost believable back in 2010...not anymore...not ever ...people never seemed to let it go when he was in miami....i guess they are idiots now...he has won 2 game 7's lol hit 3 buzzer beater game winners in the playoffs 2 more than kobe 1 more than mj.........he just quit in 2010....he wanted to go to miami...duh...now 2011 still makes no sense....i dont know what that was....prior to 2010 i felt he did all he could..his teams sucked
he had alot of good players wtf are you talkin bout Allen iverson took his team all the way with less, Ppl need to quit making excuses for lebron hes supposed to be the best ppl compare him to mj and kobe 2 legends that stayed loyal and brought THEIR team a chip
+Scotty Peterson Jr dude what are you talking about I'm going to ask you this who in the hell outside of lebron did anything against Boston in gm 7 in 2008 Orlando in 2009 and Boston in 2010
+Scotty Peterson Jr and if you say mo Williams then you wrong because mo Williams was outplayed rafer Alston in the Orlando series in 09 and shot 37 percent and got his ass kicked by rondo in 2010 in the Boston series and shot 40 percent. mo Williams is you second option and dont give me wrong he was a good player but your second option no way.
+Scotty Peterson Jr I don't think you realize the cavs during lebron first time there needed a second star really bad and it wasn't a washed up shaq mo Williams or Larry hughes
I still remember when this show was part of cold pizza, and then approx 2007-2008 cold pizza was rebranded as 1st and 10. The show ran as 1st and 10 for about 3-4 years and was then again rebranded as first take in late summer 2011. From late 2009 through late 2011 were prime years which the show gained a lot of notoriety.
And this is a guy who is suppose to know about the NBA? James has won 3 since this guy said that James will never win a ring.I don't pay this giving. any attention at all.This was in 2010 when he said all this.
+Scotty Peterson Jr Then I guess Shaq was a coward when he left the Magic after getting swept in the finals and in the conference finals. and 5 games doesn't seem like barely won to me.
honestly what made the show get to being so great wasnt skip or stephen a it was jay and dana having moderators that continously pushing the conversation in the direction that the debaters were going with it asking new questions and not just the original question which made the takes go further and made the show better show was better with rotating panel of guests not just skip and stephen a
They talked naturally back then like a barbershop ..now its all written down speeches for 5 minutes...there's no actual conversation ...back then they would see who can make an argument better and compete and talk for may be a minute and then let othrrs speak and go on the fly back and forth....it was fun..now it looks like work
"I was humbled in the (2011) Finals. I really wanted it but didn't do it in the right way." -LBJ. Basically, when he joined the Heat, he felt even more entitled than ever. He acted like he'd already won 3 or 4 or 5 NBA titles. His arrogance was off the charts. Then he got his ass handed to him and looked like a complete dipshit in the 2011 Finals. "I was humbled". Sometimes you gotta eat shit before you can eat steak.
i know Bulls have favorable match ups with cartwright going up against ewing & then longley going up against mutumbo or shaq...right their centers sure helped in the era of the big men.
Yea it's like all the friends and family members who tell they losers on American Idol that can't sing that they have the greatest voices in the world when in actuality they suck. They'll tell you what a God you are to your face and say something different in private.
This is such a ridiculous conversation. Basketball is a TEAM game. Not just one player, but a team around him. Those Cleveland teams, the style that they played in the regualer season might have worked, however against the dregs of the league. Against the better defensive teams, it was doomed to fail. Looking back, I think we have to appreacite LeBron for even getting those teams that far and one NBA Finals. People need to stop acting like Jordan played with only scrubs.
that's true, but what's the point of being the heart and soul of a team if you don't want to be there? once lebron and wade agreed to team up, he was as good as gone. but he kept it a secret the whole time until the last moment, even though he insisted the cavs have the best chance of signing him. idk about you, but i don't like people messing with my head like that. i wouldn't be so critical the decision if he just handled it the right way.
it;s not smart because they were making secret plans to join forces while they were under contract. that shows a lack of dedication to their previous teams. you're giving pippen way too much credit. the bulls had other role players as well. and the addition of phil jackson made a much bigger difference for bulls' success. but this is different cuz pippen joining the bulls was management's decision,not jordan's. jordan wasn't begging him to come to chicago behind closed doors.
come on man...i was just messing cuz the other guy said "even fisher is better than lebron". i don't understand why we need to wait for kobe to see where he stands all-time, i personally have him @ #10 all time but i know some who say he's only top 15 some say he's not even top 15 when he retires they're not going to change their mind...after jordan's 1st 3peat the media was already saying he was the greatest.
Dude i hope you're not serious , . Fisher had NOTHING to do with okc beating the lakers. Kobe is FAR better then fisher , Kobe is a top 10 player all time . Dont believe in now , wait two years, when he retires , and you see all the analyst saying "Are we ranking him top 10 , or top 5" Its one thing not to like a player, but come on , you know damn well kobe is better then derek fisher.
saying "end of story" = im scared to debate you. obviously kobe has been playing longer so he should have a better career but right now lebron is better & if you compare what kobe did in 9 seasons to what lebron has done in his 9th lebron has the better career...i don't count kobe 3 rings bcuz he wasn't the best player but lebrons ring that the heat won does count cuz lebron was the reason they won.
how can someone who only played 9 yrs legacy be compared to some 1 who's played 16 yrs?...if you compare lebrons 9 seasons to kobe's 1st 9 seasons lebron has the better career...lebron actually LED his team to 2 finals & won 1 of them, kboe had to sidekick to shaq...if kobe was the franchise player 4 the lakers from the start he would only have these 2 rings not the 3 he sidekicked to.
but i thought kobe was the "black mamba" why couldn't he win after shaq left & b4 getting pau?...why did he quit in game 7 vs suns in 06? could it be cuz his team sucked just like the cavs sucked?...shaq & kobe were a dynasty? & lebron &_____who were a dynasty in cleveland?...kobe won those 2 rings by having no competition in 09 lakers were better than every team & 10 they won cuz perkins was injured other wise celtics win that series.
LOL without Shaq, the only thing Lebron fans try to bring up, yet I thought Queen James was the Chosen One? traveled his ass all the way to Miami. Shaq and Kobe won because they didn't quit, they were a Dynasty. Lebron just a half-ass pre game show and can never hit the big shots. Took Kobe 13 yrs? while than that means he won 2 rings not in his prime. He won them with basketball intelligence, and killer instinct. Lebron doesn't have any of those, he's not even close to Kobes legacy.
i remember ppl saying he will NEVER EVER win 1 single ring & look what happened...it's a TEAM game so he won't win 8 by himself, if he gets better help then yeah miami wins 8....ppl think getting allen & rashad lewis is helping them but i say get rid of bosh, allen & lewis & give them players that can rebound & defend the paint like bynum or gasol or noah or al jefferson, omer asik.
Back in 2010, it looked to these sports analysts like LeBron James did not have a killer instinct. As it turns out in 2012, he does have this instinct, he just didn't want to use it for Cleveland. It would have produced many basketball fans in Cleveland. Soccer promoters may want to claim Cleveland for themselves against basketball. Was LeBron bribed by soccer promoters? Who knows.
i used to agree with but now i think skip does that on purpose so there would be an arguement in the show because there has to be an arguement.u know skips does it on purpose when he has something bad to say after lebron had 45 points in a critical game against boston or when he said something bad about lebron's triple double to win the finals.not even a real lebron hater like me would do that.
Due explain, I was completely pissed that he beat Boston (as I'm a Boston fan) but really how is he not strong and consistent fine tuned ect, He won it this year by changing his play style with his team, he won the League MVP, and Finals MVP against the scoring leader. I think he'll have some more rings under his belt, but being as good as Dr. J, Jordan, or some other greats, we'll just have to wait and see.
bcus of the tight scheduling. Its ridiculous the fans won't accept it but even all the teams said everyone is on the same level playing field so NO EXCUSES, PERIOD! This season revealed what teams were really made of as they were either made to shine or they were broken by 2012! And for once we have a true champ wit sum integrity, no excessive to the point of distracting from the game dirty ass play or referee cheating as with San Antonio and the Lakers.
The first half of the season takes the toll? Isn't it the second half, as the playoffs approach? It really makes no difference, other than credit the champions further for winning. If OKC won, would you say there is an asterisk? Are you hating or legitimately think this season doesn't count? Imagine you have an exam, you could have three weeks to study or one day. Imagine you get an A+ after studying for one day. You would praise yourself more if you had less time to prepare than more time to.
overrated super star during the post season??? Let's get some numbers here 2011 - 2012 reg season - 27.1 ppg 6.2 apg 7.9 rig 2011 - 2012 POST season - 30.3 ppg 5.6 apt 9.7rpg also a THREE time regular season MVP in addition to a POST SEASON MVP and the ring he would supposedly never get.... ok skip you definitely know what your talking about because of all your clutch moments in basketball and all of your championships.... oh wait.... thats right no you do not.
Eh, what can you do? Lebron finally matured and owned a postseason. Congrats to your favorite player. And apparently he's also succeeding at discovering some new found humility, which I didn't think he had in him either. He even said he "played with hate" in 2010-11, which pretty much means he was an arrogant douchebag. It took that embarrassing ass-whipping in the 2011 Finals for Lebron to pull his head out of his ass. Now there may be no stopping him.
also barkley was better than grant, kevin johnson better than armstrong,....porter better than paxson, duckworth better than cartwright...payton better than harper kemp better than rodman (in fact they should've done what they did back in 69 where lakers lost but west won finals MVP i think kemp was the best player in the finals) malone better than rodman stockton better than harper.
if you know basketball you would know teams have to face opponents from their conference b4 getting to the finals who did the Bulls centers face in the east? ewing, shaq, mourning, mutumbo....6'4" maxwell was a great defender & many have said he would do a great job defending jordan...jason kidd 6'4" 38 yrs old & did a great job on kobe, wade & leborn last year so no point in saying maxwell is only 6'4"
Idk about that, considering all of what could happen w/ the Knicks next year. Suppose Lin gets better as a PG, Olajuwon teaches Amare & Chandler everything they need to know to dominate the paint & Melo prepares himself for a championship because he is arguably the most clutch player in the league, w/ that killer instinct (I say 2nd to Kobe). Considering all of this, It's not hard to see him getting a ring next year @ all. The Knicks organization is setting up for all these things.
what does that mean???? do you really think michael would have won those titles without pippen or rodman and all those hall of famers????or kobe without shaq or gasol or d-fish?????? seriously the cavs just sucked what is wrong about changing your team if they sucked????and even if it was that. It has been 2 years, that is waaaaay too much time so you can forget about the past and just focus on today......apreciate instead of critisizing
The mavs were true definition of a team last year. You can say wat u want to but miami learned alot from them last year. This eat the heat are playing like a team and thats why their going to win. And okc is playing more like individuals. Its doesnt matter how much talent a squad has. If they dont play like a team their not going to win simple as that and your miami heat didnt do that last year like the mavs did. Anyway im gon give credit where credit is due and congrats to miami.
The heat had better talent than the mavs so i will agree with you on that. They didnt have the mental toughness like the mavs did. You can say wat u want to but every miami fan know that the mavs had a better team last year. If miami had the better talent and team last year they would of won. And if u seriously think miami has a better team than jordan u must be on something. None of these teams today can mess with the teams from the 90s, 80s etc.
Last year the mavs had the better overall team and thats why they won. The heat were nothing but individuals so dont disrespect my mavs and practically say the mavs got lucky last year. That being said the heat especially lebron have played out of this world good. They have learned alot from last year and im proud of them. I still wont like the heat that much but i will be happy for them when they win.
my comment said he played good in the thunder series so far.. that game 1 4th quarter was still a bad quarter 4 him, when the star on the other team has 17 and takes over and he has 7.. ill admit game 2 and 3 were good for him, if he keeps it up i will give him his respect.. its not about can lebron do it, because he has stepped up a lot, its will he do it consistently when it really counts.. im by no means a heat fan but if the man wins his ring he gets my respect, which doesnt really matter
how bout game 5 vs boston 2010.how about all the games in last years finals.how about two missed free throws to tie the game late vs indiana. how bout only scoring 4 points vs the thunder in the 4th quarter game 1. how about disappearing in the fourth quarter and fouling out vs boston in the first couple loses.. he has had clutch times and if he keeps playing good through out the thunder series he gets respect, but if he only shows up for 3 quarters and one of those not being the fourth then no
Because he didn't shoot the ball very much and he's not that good. He has still had a better career than Lebron, which is why he has a ring and a Finals MVP. Also why last year in the Finals, he showed up and Lebron didn't, and why he was in my opinion the best performer on the redeem team in the Olympics. Also, Boston is obviously paying more attention to Wade. It's gotta be easy to score when the other team is planning around stopping Wade.
" If Lebron doesn't win a championship, I win. If he does win, I lose." this is the most stupidest comment i ever read....so lebron winning a ring is really going to affect your pathetic life?...my life will still be good if he does or doesn't win a ring...when the Bulls were winning in the 90's it didn't affect my life in any way i was just happy they won but my grades didn't go up or down bcuz of it....when they got eliminated this year it still didn't affect me
Try "Lebron disappears in 4th quarter". LOTS of great reading there! LOL! I don't know what dictionary you use to get your definition of choking, but I use the "Official Lebron James Is An Arrogant Choking Douchebag Almanac" myself. In that edition, you can look up the word "choke" and there's that one closeup shot of Lebron's face where he looks like he's crying like a 5-year-old.
give the google link bcuz the google links i find talk about lebron being a better clutch performer than kobe & wade.... & in the playoffs being more clutch than kobe...you're an idiot if you think lebron & the cavs "choked" in 07...do you even know what choking means? choking was what bron did last year where he was EXPECTED to win...it's not "choking" if you weren't going to win anyways.
you just said the guy that takes the last shot makes them the GOAT. don't pretend like you didn't see jordan pass to kerr in the finals or didn't see paxson take the game winning 3 instead of jordan...but it only matters when it;s lebron right? & show an example don't just say it...give me a game from the last year finals...but 1 series DOES NOT = an entire career /watch?v=Q5Rd7vd9Dl8 /watch?v=d9sDuyICTks /watch?v=dEstWozRQp0 try not 2 have such a short memory mkay.
Lebron doesn't play "hero ball" because, to Lebron, being the Hero (the guy who makes the clutch shot to win the game at the end) means also taking the risk of being the Goat. Lebron doesn't have the balls to be that guy. He may have with the Cavs, but now he's content to let someone else- usually Wade- be the hero or goat. This is why he went to Miami in the first place. He couldn't handle the heat... so he went to the Heat. Isn't it ironic... don'cha think?
No, Lebron is not Kobe where he's going to average 23 shots per game in the NBA Finals. (Kobe's avg-per-game in the 2010 Finals). Lebron averaged 15 shots per game in last year's Finals. Lebron is much more content to pass the ball as if it were a hot potato because he's afraid to take that final clutch shot for whatever reason. We've seen it over and over again. Lebron will pass up a wide open shot in the clutch and pass it off to a teammate- preferably Wade, who doesn't have that fear.
Actually, not so much. 3-of-21 is shooting 25%. That's pretty horrid. But Lebron shot 3-of-11 (27%) in Game 4 last year and the Heat only lost by 3 points (86-83), not 25. Then there was Game 4 of the 2007 Finals where Lebron shot a very horrible 10-of-30 (33%) and the Cavs lost by ONE point. Or Game 1, 2007 Finals... Lebron shoots a truly-terrible 4-of-16 (25%) and the Cavs lost by 9 points. 9 points is a LONG ways away from 25. So much for your little theory there... :D
Let me go ahead and unremove that last comment of yours: "the celtics cant beat the heat lebron is getting his ring this year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year and stop as u can so thats more than kobe sorry ass" Now I needed to get all that translated into english, but I think I got the basic idea. So you're saying Lebron is going to win the next SIX NBA titles. LMAO!! And then you woke up...
No, an excuse can still be truth. Excuses aren't necessarily lies, they're just a convenient cop-out. Kind of like when Lebron fans say "Lebron never won in Cleveland because he never had any supporting cast". Now we know this to be largely and somewhat true, but it's still a convenient cop-out, i.e. an excuse. The Spurs or Thunder MIGHT be a big reason why the Heat don't win it this year, but believe me, there will be PLENTY of excuses from Lebron fanboys in addition to that.
ok lebron plays with 2 all stars (even though bosh is injured) but durant has it easier....melo has 2 all-stars as well yes they still count but they have no team chemistry..rose is the only real all-star but the Bulls play such great defense & rebound that it helps rose a lot...lebron doesn't have much help after wade bosh is ok but he needs to play like a Power Foward not a Flower Foward (he plays like a girl) anthony only gives them 3.7 rpg
I get that, I don't mind that he left Cleveland- his contract was up. But the way he went about it, plus the Heat rally, the NBA title boasting "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4..." before they even played a game, the arrogant self-absorbed tweeting, the mocking of Nowitzki between choke games in the Finals, the coming-up-small in the Finals after all the arrogance, his "burger flipper" speech, etc etc... I used to root for the guy. Not any more. He's an arrogant douchebag.
Yes he is arguably the best player in the NBA. Well, in the regular season anyway. We've seen him have great performances in the postseason- just not when it REALLY counts. Example: last year's Finals when Wade injured his hip, that was Lebron's moment to shine and to step up and be The Man. Instead, he just disappeared. If Jordan "wasn't much" without Pippen, then Lebron hasn't been anything with OR without D-Wade.
That's fine to know you're good at what you do- and he definitely is- and be confident in yourself. Just know that when you go over the top with it and act like an arrogant douche, you better back that shit up with some championships, or you're gonna take a ton of shit- and he definitely has. Lebron isn't getting a ring this year I assure you. The Spurs will be just too much for the Heat. I've been watching the NBA long enough to see that coming a mile away.
Die hard Laker fan here. MJ is greater, but Shaq never carried Kobe, Kobe pulled more than his own weight throughout the entire 3peat. It clearly was Shaq's team, but Kobe was no Pippin to Shaq. Kobe had the ball in his hands w/ 20 seconds left to win the game. Shaq was A1, Kobe A2. He was like a Tony Parker to Tim Duncan if anything. It was clearly Shaq's team, but Shaq could not have won without Kobe, just as much as Kobe couldn't win without Shaq, Magic without Kareem, or Bird without McHale.
i'd put duncan ahead of all of those guys. tim's never played with multiple all time greats like russell did. seriously, those celtic teams were loaded. same with magic and kareem. they played with each other/other hall of famers. tims never played with a hall of famer/all time great. robinson was past it, sorry.. if duncan played with a all time great he's have 6-8 rings..that simple. timmy will never get the credit he deserves, well maybe.lets hope he wins number 5 and the 4th nba finals mvp
Saying "Kobe is one or two players away" from another championship or two is like saying you were "one or two" cards away from that royal flush you were looking for. And saying Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq is totally subjective and impossible to prove. Shaq won those 3 Finals MVPs, not Kobe. It is what it is. At the end of the day, it's about MVPs, championships and Finals MVPs.
lets hope the spurs win it all. i never want to see that arrogant bastard, lbj win a ring. he'll be 0-3 in the finals!!! LOL.... timmy will be 2nd to jordan. ahead of magic AND kareem. tim's never played with a super star the caliber of magic, pippen, kareem, james worthy, bird, mchale, parish,etc,etc...parker and manu are good, not all time great though. what tim has done has to be admired. such a humble/classy guy. GO SPURS GO!!!! =)
Am I supposed to base it off what Lebron MIGHT do in the future? Nah. And none of those players you mentioned were nearly as entitled as Lebron obviously thinks he is. "Chosen-1" tattooed across his back... "KING" James... winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5..." championships... When you're the only player in NBA history with 3 MVPs but 0 championships, you're gonna take a lot of shit, fair or not. Soon-to-be 9 seasons without a championship...
how is it fair to say that LBJ is the most overrated player in playoffs history? he got to the finals with a cavs team that had as a 2nd scoring option drew gooden? we all knew the cavs that won like 62 wins with LeBron were going to suck the next year without him. This "analyst" skip always gives the same speech of batman and robin crap, he doesn't know much about bball. The Heat are playing great team basketball,that's all it matters. I really hope the MVP shuts his mouth forever this year.
Yo the point is Kobe will get another ring next year and finish once again 1st or 2nd in scoring or maybe MVP but Lebron man,hes just hype.At least Kobe stuck it out when Shaq left and won 2 titles.Lebron is a quitter and he did it again last year c'mon man lets get real he shouldn't be mention in the same breath when you speak of Jordan or Kobe hell even Magic.He can't even shake the Sixers with ease WTF!!
Of course. Jordan was in 6 finals . Won them all , and got MVP for all . But when arguing for how good someone is all time, saying he got the same amount of rings as the greatest , might make him better then some others. These two years can bump him up a few spots , or it could not . Its still fair to wait though.
but that won't mean anything if he ties jordan in rings bcuz the way jordan got his & the way kobe got his is different. jordan was always the best player on his team while kobe was only the best for the last 2, the 1st 3 he was the 2nd guy on the team...plus jordan accomplished much more than just rings.
Well this WAS 2 yrs ago and after those ways he left the playoffs before this seemed to be right for a while... These same things were said about MJ during the first 7 yrs of his career until he changed his game up and became more of a team player and won everything else.. So Lebron had his down time so now he has 1 now will he win the rest??? We'll have to see....
That's so true. Alot of idiots actually think 66 games was east for the Heat or any team to win a title this year. WRONG. Ask Rose,Howard and all of these other players injured due to this short season. I didn't hear anyone screaming about how the Spurs won theirs in 1999 when the season was shorten. Fact is this year was way more difficult than any 82 game season is.
Skip haven’t change not 1 bit ...😂😂😂😂
Hypocrisy at his finest
I mean he's old he's already a made man 😂
Too bad!!😆😅😂🤣
At all😂😂
I'll come back when he gets 4 rings
So not at all, you mean.
Justin Colon guess you won't be coming back
Alexis Snyder Stephanie and durchoke aren't winning shit this year. Cavs going back to back!
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blackstarGOaT lol
10 years later 4 rings 4 final mvps
Kobe- best fade away jumper
Durant- best scorer
Lebron- Best chocker
The difference is though MJ went to a 4 year college while LeBron came straight out of high school. So MJ hit the league with more experience than LeBron.
lol who agrees that if it werent for lebon, skip wouldnt be as popular as he is right now. i bet he was praying that the heat lost because his whole career revolves around lebron failing
True that. Lebron is not mentally tough enough.
yeah but Jordan came in the nba in his 20's lebrons been here since he was 18? damnn lebron step up your game and stop relying on the refs
Right now yes, Lebron is the best in the NBA. But in a few years Durant, after he has the same amount of time/experience in the league as Lebron, will be the best player in the NBA.
Lebron James won't even be top 5. And he'll never be better than Jordan. Jordan never lost 2 Finals. Jordan won 6 and was the MVP of all 6. Lebron will NEVER be better than Jordan or Russell. But he will go down as an all-time great player.
10 years later, he has four
Fax
Well skip didn’t predict that Lebron would do all the superteam chasing and teaming up with all stars that Lebron did from this moment on
@@MrJonnyl123 how super was the teams kevin love never really showed up chris bosh wasnt super now kevin durant has been superteaming GS now the NETS and for the record im not even a Lebron fan like that but lets just honest
3 rings and 1 bubble ring
@@arizonaFIREent still a ring
Now Lebron has three rings and three finals MVPs including him finally bringing Cleveland to the promised land
LOL 3 rings only? with those super teams? beaten by an old ass Dallas team? He has not change one bit idiot.
jackov and how much rings do you have loser? How much money do you have?
Y'all mad at jackov for stating #Facts 😂😂😂
@@perchikobrooks6276 They got cocky and lost to them, after he's done things by a player we will never see
+jackov 2018, 2007, 2015, were superteams? dumbass
Look who has 4 rings and 4 finals MVP now!! Also becoming the first player to win Finals MVP with 3 different teams.
Not hard when you team hop and trade all your teammates.
@@machoking2405 so u expected him to win a title with Brandon imgram lonzo ball and kuzma😂😂dont get me wrong Ingram and ball are Good young playeds but they arent good enough to b great in the playoffs
@@4ktd303 Funny because they said the same thing about the Suns last year and they made it to the finals.
@@machoking2405 you sound dumb he’s finna tie Kobe in rings next year
@@prod.justjae9957 With another superteam. Dudes been replacing stars with his whole career.
I’m sorry but if MJ was analysed like this in his early years for some of his playoff exits he wouldn’t be considered as amazing as he is
I’m saying, the criteria that they had for Lebron was ridiculous
@@saviorsimon5140he just didn’t make that many mistakes compared to Lebron
4 rings and 4 MVP finals today
He will never win a ring
The chosen one became the frozen one
He won't get through my Spurs
Ray Allen saved his legacy
Beaten by a record margin
Up 2-1 in the series and he loses on his home floor
Draymond called LeBron the B word
Kyrie deserved finals mvp
Kevin Durant passed LeBron
Skip also said Peyton manning would
Never win the title in 2006 and he did that season..and he said theyl broncos would regret giving Tebow away in 2012 which is ironic cause they almost went to 3 super bowls and 4 afc title games with manning in 4 years and won the damn thing ..
..so....LeBron could of won 3 in a row after skip said this if he showed up bs Dallas that next year ...funny how wrong he is..he also said the Seahawks wouldn't win in 2014 and said Joe flacco and Eli manning wouldn't win rings..the same season they won ..he's a funny guy
All but the first and third are true.
LeBron James won MVP because kyrie would have never got to shoot that if LeBron never got that block KD is not better he has a superteam and King James would be in the playoffs if he was never injured.
Number 2 quit on my spurs
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"LeBron won't win a championship"? Look who has 3 rings now!!
when skip said he doesnt have a killer instinct it was almost believable back in 2010...not anymore...not ever ...people never seemed to let it go when he was in miami....i guess they are idiots now...he has won 2 game 7's lol hit 3 buzzer beater game winners in the playoffs 2 more than kobe 1 more than mj.........he just quit in 2010....he wanted to go to miami...duh...now 2011 still makes no sense....i dont know what that was....prior to 2010 i felt he did all he could..his teams sucked
Yep. 2012, 2013, 2016
+razkable
it was never believable. skip is just an idiot.
2017
Anton Poell and he still is
During lebron first tour in Cleveland he didn't have the supporting cast to win a title his cast totally disappeared in the pl
he had alot of good players wtf are you talkin bout Allen iverson took his team all the way with less, Ppl need to quit making excuses for lebron hes supposed to be the best ppl compare him to mj and kobe 2 legends that stayed loyal and brought THEIR team a chip
+Scotty Peterson Jr dude what are you talking about I'm going to ask you this who in the hell outside of lebron did anything against Boston in gm 7 in 2008 Orlando in 2009 and Boston in 2010
+Scotty Peterson Jr and if you say mo Williams then you wrong because mo Williams was outplayed rafer Alston in the Orlando series in 09 and shot 37 percent and got his ass kicked by rondo in 2010 in the Boston series and shot 40 percent. mo Williams is you second option and dont give me wrong he was a good player but your second option no way.
+Scotty Peterson Jr I don't think you realize the cavs during lebron first time there needed a second star really bad and it wasn't a washed up shaq mo Williams or Larry hughes
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What an amazing 8 years he's had.
4 championships and 4 fmvps
I still remember when this show was part of cold pizza, and then approx 2007-2008 cold pizza was rebranded as 1st and 10. The show ran as 1st and 10 for about 3-4 years and was then again rebranded as first take in late summer 2011. From late 2009 through late 2011 were prime years which the show gained a lot of notoriety.
Here after brons 4th ring 😁 GOAT
yep
I'm looking so much forward to your excuse when LBJ gets his second ring this year ;)
And this is a guy who is suppose to know about the NBA? James has won 3 since this guy said that James will never win a ring.I don't pay this giving. any attention at all.This was in 2010 when he said all this.
Skip never says it! Click bait
Where the part he says lebron will never get a ring ?
I’m sure you had him for a F minus 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They really wanted this man to win 17 championships or he sucked 😂😂
How is Skip gonna give someone a D- when he averaged like 1.4 points in high school.
Actually yea. I had his particular season in the end of the 90s in mind.
It's funny that lebron has two rings and two finals mvps now
Its funny that he had to do in such a cowardly way that team was so stacked and they barely won pathetic hell always be known as an unloyal coward
+Scotty Peterson Jr Then I guess Shaq was a coward when he left the Magic after getting swept in the finals and in the conference finals. and 5 games doesn't seem like barely won to me.
+Scotty Peterson Jr it's funny that a win is a win and he returned to Cleveland gives back to the community. isn't it funny?
He has 3 now
eddie 3
folks just say ish to get you to watch.
Jordan never dealt with this bs .. Listen to this.. imagine this for ur whole career and u break every record in nba.. wild
Proud to be a Heat fan!!! Love ya King James...let the haters hate!!!
Thanks to the trio (Bosh, James and Wade) We have another ring...!!!Yeah baby!!!
and now he has four rings and four finals mvps
completely agree. the guy finally got his ring and was amazing trough out the entire season. he deserves a lot of credit.
4 Rings Later
4 rings later...
5 straight final lebron is goat
KASH MONEYJ 8*
I know everyone ages but it’s crazy how much younger skip looks here.
Well akip has looked the same from 2006 to 2017, he didnt start looking old until 2018
honestly what made the show get to being so great wasnt skip or stephen a it was jay and dana having moderators that continously pushing the conversation in the direction that the debaters were going with it asking new questions and not just the original question which made the takes go further and made the show better show was better with rotating panel of guests not just skip and stephen a
They talked naturally back then like a barbershop ..now its all written down speeches for 5 minutes...there's no actual conversation ...back then they would see who can make an argument better and compete and talk for may be a minute and then let othrrs speak and go on the fly back and forth....it was fun..now it looks like work
What was 1 man even doing pushing this team to a game 6?
Kobe will once again shoot his team out of the playoffs for another early exit!
"I was humbled in the (2011) Finals. I really wanted it but didn't do it in the right way." -LBJ. Basically, when he joined the Heat, he felt even more entitled than ever. He acted like he'd already won 3 or 4 or 5 NBA titles. His arrogance was off the charts. Then he got his ass handed to him and looked like a complete dipshit in the 2011 Finals. "I was humbled". Sometimes you gotta eat shit before you can eat steak.
Looks like dude finna get his ring Thursday.
4 rings 4 mvps...and counting
i know Bulls have favorable match ups with cartwright going up against ewing & then longley going up against mutumbo or shaq...right their centers sure helped in the era of the big men.
Yea it's like all the friends and family members who tell they losers on American Idol that can't sing that they have the greatest voices in the world when in actuality they suck. They'll tell you what a God you are to your face and say something different in private.
This is such a ridiculous conversation. Basketball is a TEAM game. Not just one player, but a team around him. Those Cleveland teams, the style that they played in the regualer season might have worked, however against the dregs of the league. Against the better defensive teams, it was doomed to fail. Looking back, I think we have to appreacite LeBron for even getting those teams that far and one NBA Finals. People need to stop acting like Jordan played with only scrubs.
that's true, but what's the point of being the heart and soul of a team if you don't want to be there? once lebron and wade agreed to team up, he was as good as gone. but he kept it a secret the whole time until the last moment, even though he insisted the cavs have the best chance of signing him. idk about you, but i don't like people messing with my head like that. i wouldn't be so critical the decision if he just handled it the right way.
it;s not smart because they were making secret plans to join forces while they were under contract. that shows a lack of dedication to their previous teams. you're giving pippen way too much credit. the bulls had other role players as well. and the addition of phil jackson made a much bigger difference for bulls' success. but this is different cuz pippen joining the bulls was management's decision,not jordan's. jordan wasn't begging him to come to chicago behind closed doors.
come on man...i was just messing cuz the other guy said "even fisher is better than lebron".
i don't understand why we need to wait for kobe to see where he stands all-time, i personally have him @ #10 all time but i know some who say he's only top 15 some say he's not even top 15 when he retires they're not going to change their mind...after jordan's 1st 3peat the media was already saying he was the greatest.
I lost lots of brain cells watching this.
Dude i hope you're not serious , . Fisher had NOTHING to do with okc beating the lakers. Kobe is FAR better then fisher , Kobe is a top 10 player all time . Dont believe in now , wait two years, when he retires , and you see all the analyst saying "Are we ranking him top 10 , or top 5" Its one thing not to like a player, but come on , you know damn well kobe is better then derek fisher.
saying "end of story" = im scared to debate you.
obviously kobe has been playing longer so he should have a better career but right now lebron is better & if you compare what kobe did in 9 seasons to what lebron has done in his 9th lebron has the better career...i don't count kobe 3 rings bcuz he wasn't the best player but lebrons ring that the heat won does count cuz lebron was the reason they won.
how can someone who only played 9 yrs legacy be compared to some 1 who's played 16 yrs?...if you compare lebrons 9 seasons to kobe's 1st 9 seasons lebron has the better career...lebron actually LED his team to 2 finals & won 1 of them, kboe had to sidekick to shaq...if kobe was the franchise player 4 the lakers from the start he would only have these 2 rings not the 3 he sidekicked to.
but i thought kobe was the "black mamba" why couldn't he win after shaq left & b4 getting pau?...why did he quit in game 7 vs suns in 06? could it be cuz his team sucked just like the cavs sucked?...shaq & kobe were a dynasty? & lebron &_____who were a dynasty in cleveland?...kobe won those 2 rings by having no competition in 09 lakers were better than every team & 10 they won cuz perkins was injured other wise celtics win that series.
LOL without Shaq, the only thing Lebron fans try to bring up, yet I thought Queen James was the Chosen One? traveled his ass all the way to Miami. Shaq and Kobe won because they didn't quit, they were a Dynasty. Lebron just a half-ass pre game show and can never hit the big shots. Took Kobe 13 yrs? while than that means he won 2 rings not in his prime. He won them with basketball intelligence, and killer instinct. Lebron doesn't have any of those, he's not even close to Kobes legacy.
i remember ppl saying he will NEVER EVER win 1 single ring & look what happened...it's a TEAM game so he won't win 8 by himself, if he gets better help then yeah miami wins 8....ppl think getting allen & rashad lewis is helping them but i say get rid of bosh, allen & lewis & give them players that can rebound & defend the paint like bynum or gasol or noah or al jefferson, omer asik.
Back in 2010, it looked to these sports analysts like LeBron James did not have a killer instinct. As it turns out in 2012, he does have this instinct, he just didn't want to use it for Cleveland.
It would have produced many basketball fans in Cleveland. Soccer promoters may want to claim Cleveland for themselves against basketball. Was LeBron bribed by soccer promoters? Who knows.
i used to agree with but now i think skip does that on purpose so there would be an arguement in the show because there has to be an arguement.u know skips does it on purpose when he has something bad to say after lebron had 45 points in a critical game against boston or when he said something bad about lebron's triple double to win the finals.not even a real lebron hater like me would do that.
Due explain, I was completely pissed that he beat Boston (as I'm a Boston fan) but really how is he not strong and consistent fine tuned ect, He won it this year by changing his play style with his team, he won the League MVP, and Finals MVP against the scoring leader. I think he'll have some more rings under his belt, but being as good as Dr. J, Jordan, or some other greats, we'll just have to wait and see.
bcus of the tight scheduling. Its ridiculous the fans won't accept it but even all the teams said everyone is on the same level playing field so NO EXCUSES, PERIOD! This season revealed what teams were really made of as they were either made to shine or they were broken by 2012! And for once we have a true champ wit sum integrity, no excessive to the point of distracting from the game dirty ass play or referee cheating as with San Antonio and the Lakers.
The first half of the season takes the toll? Isn't it the second half, as the playoffs approach? It really makes no difference, other than credit the champions further for winning. If OKC won, would you say there is an asterisk? Are you hating or legitimately think this season doesn't count? Imagine you have an exam, you could have three weeks to study or one day. Imagine you get an A+ after studying for one day. You would praise yourself more if you had less time to prepare than more time to.
overrated super star during the post season??? Let's get some numbers here
2011 - 2012 reg season - 27.1 ppg 6.2 apg 7.9 rig
2011 - 2012 POST season - 30.3 ppg 5.6 apt 9.7rpg
also a THREE time regular season MVP in addition to a POST SEASON MVP and the ring he would supposedly never get.... ok skip you definitely know what your talking about because of all your clutch moments in basketball and all of your championships.... oh wait.... thats right no you do not.
Eh, what can you do? Lebron finally matured and owned a postseason. Congrats to your favorite player. And apparently he's also succeeding at discovering some new found humility, which I didn't think he had in him either. He even said he "played with hate" in 2010-11, which pretty much means he was an arrogant douchebag. It took that embarrassing ass-whipping in the 2011 Finals for Lebron to pull his head out of his ass. Now there may be no stopping him.
also barkley was better than grant, kevin johnson better than armstrong,....porter better than paxson, duckworth better than cartwright...payton better than harper kemp better than rodman (in fact they should've done what they did back in 69 where lakers lost but west won finals MVP i think kemp was the best player in the finals) malone better than rodman stockton better than harper.
if you know basketball you would know teams have to face opponents from their conference b4 getting to the finals who did the Bulls centers face in the east? ewing, shaq, mourning, mutumbo....6'4" maxwell was a great defender & many have said he would do a great job defending jordan...jason kidd 6'4" 38 yrs old & did a great job on kobe, wade & leborn last year so no point in saying maxwell is only 6'4"
Idk about that, considering all of what could happen w/ the Knicks next year. Suppose Lin gets better as a PG, Olajuwon teaches Amare & Chandler everything they need to know to dominate the paint & Melo prepares himself for a championship because he is arguably the most clutch player in the league, w/ that killer instinct (I say 2nd to Kobe). Considering all of this, It's not hard to see him getting a ring next year @ all. The Knicks organization is setting up for all these things.
what does that mean???? do you really think michael would have won those titles without pippen or rodman and all those hall of famers????or kobe without shaq or gasol or d-fish?????? seriously the cavs just sucked what is wrong about changing your team if they sucked????and even if it was that. It has been 2 years, that is waaaaay too much time so you can forget about the past and just focus on today......apreciate instead of critisizing
The mavs were true definition of a team last year. You can say wat u want to but miami learned alot from them last year. This eat the heat are playing like a team and thats why their going to win. And okc is playing more like individuals. Its doesnt matter how much talent a squad has. If they dont play like a team their not going to win simple as that and your miami heat didnt do that last year like the mavs did. Anyway im gon give credit where credit is due and congrats to miami.
The heat had better talent than the mavs so i will agree with you on that. They didnt have the mental toughness like the mavs did. You can say wat u want to but every miami fan know that the mavs had a better team last year. If miami had the better talent and team last year they would of won. And if u seriously think miami has a better team than jordan u must be on something. None of these teams today can mess with the teams from the 90s, 80s etc.
Last year the mavs had the better overall team and thats why they won. The heat were nothing but individuals so dont disrespect my mavs and practically say the mavs got lucky last year. That being said the heat especially lebron have played out of this world good. They have learned alot from last year and im proud of them. I still wont like the heat that much but i will be happy for them when they win.
my comment said he played good in the thunder series so far.. that game 1 4th quarter was still a bad quarter 4 him, when the star on the other team has 17 and takes over and he has 7.. ill admit game 2 and 3 were good for him, if he keeps it up i will give him his respect.. its not about can lebron do it, because he has stepped up a lot, its will he do it consistently when it really counts.. im by no means a heat fan but if the man wins his ring he gets my respect, which doesnt really matter
how bout game 5 vs boston 2010.how about all the games in last years finals.how about two missed free throws to tie the game late vs indiana. how bout only scoring 4 points vs the thunder in the 4th quarter game 1. how about disappearing in the fourth quarter and fouling out vs boston in the first couple loses.. he has had clutch times and if he keeps playing good through out the thunder series he gets respect, but if he only shows up for 3 quarters and one of those not being the fourth then no
Because he didn't shoot the ball very much and he's not that good. He has still had a better career than Lebron, which is why he has a ring and a Finals MVP. Also why last year in the Finals, he showed up and Lebron didn't, and why he was in my opinion the best performer on the redeem team in the Olympics. Also, Boston is obviously paying more attention to Wade. It's gotta be easy to score when the other team is planning around stopping Wade.
" If Lebron doesn't win a championship, I win. If he does win, I lose." this is the most stupidest comment i ever read....so lebron winning a ring is really going to affect your pathetic life?...my life will still be good if he does or doesn't win a ring...when the Bulls were winning in the 90's it didn't affect my life in any way i was just happy they won but my grades didn't go up or down bcuz of it....when they got eliminated this year it still didn't affect me
Try "Lebron disappears in 4th quarter". LOTS of great reading there! LOL!
I don't know what dictionary you use to get your definition of choking, but I use the "Official Lebron James Is An Arrogant Choking Douchebag Almanac" myself. In that edition, you can look up the word "choke" and there's that one closeup shot of Lebron's face where he looks like he's crying like a 5-year-old.
give the google link bcuz the google links i find talk about lebron being a better clutch performer than kobe & wade....
& in the playoffs being more clutch than kobe...you're an idiot if you think lebron & the cavs "choked" in 07...do you even know what choking means? choking was what bron did last year where he was EXPECTED to win...it's not "choking" if you weren't going to win anyways.
you just said the guy that takes the last shot makes them the GOAT.
don't pretend like you didn't see jordan pass to kerr in the finals or didn't see paxson take the game winning 3 instead of jordan...but it only matters when it;s lebron right?
& show an example don't just say it...give me a game from the last year finals...but 1 series DOES NOT = an entire career /watch?v=Q5Rd7vd9Dl8
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try not 2 have such a short memory mkay.
Lebron doesn't play "hero ball" because, to Lebron, being the Hero (the guy who makes the clutch shot to win the game at the end) means also taking the risk of being the Goat. Lebron doesn't have the balls to be that guy. He may have with the Cavs, but now he's content to let someone else- usually Wade- be the hero or goat. This is why he went to Miami in the first place. He couldn't handle the heat... so he went to the Heat. Isn't it ironic... don'cha think?
No, Lebron is not Kobe where he's going to average 23 shots per game in the NBA Finals. (Kobe's avg-per-game in the 2010 Finals). Lebron averaged 15 shots per game in last year's Finals. Lebron is much more content to pass the ball as if it were a hot potato because he's afraid to take that final clutch shot for whatever reason. We've seen it over and over again. Lebron will pass up a wide open shot in the clutch and pass it off to a teammate- preferably Wade, who doesn't have that fear.
Actually, not so much. 3-of-21 is shooting 25%. That's pretty horrid. But Lebron shot 3-of-11 (27%) in Game 4 last year and the Heat only lost by 3 points (86-83), not 25.
Then there was Game 4 of the 2007 Finals where Lebron shot a very horrible 10-of-30 (33%) and the Cavs lost by ONE point.
Or Game 1, 2007 Finals... Lebron shoots a truly-terrible 4-of-16 (25%) and the Cavs lost by 9 points. 9 points is a LONG ways away from 25.
So much for your little theory there... :D
Let me go ahead and unremove that last comment of yours:
"the celtics cant beat the heat lebron is getting his ring this year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year and stop as u can so thats more than kobe sorry ass"
Now I needed to get all that translated into english, but I think I got the basic idea. So you're saying Lebron is going to win the next SIX NBA titles.
LMAO!! And then you woke up...
No, an excuse can still be truth. Excuses aren't necessarily lies, they're just a convenient cop-out. Kind of like when Lebron fans say "Lebron never won in Cleveland because he never had any supporting cast". Now we know this to be largely and somewhat true, but it's still a convenient cop-out, i.e. an excuse.
The Spurs or Thunder MIGHT be a big reason why the Heat don't win it this year, but believe me, there will be PLENTY of excuses from Lebron fanboys in addition to that.
ok lebron plays with 2 all stars (even though bosh is injured) but durant has it easier....melo has 2 all-stars as well yes they still count but they have no team chemistry..rose is the only real all-star but the Bulls play such great defense & rebound that it helps rose a lot...lebron doesn't have much help after wade bosh is ok but he needs to play like a Power Foward not a Flower Foward (he plays like a girl) anthony only gives them 3.7 rpg
I get that, I don't mind that he left Cleveland- his contract was up. But the way he went about it, plus the Heat rally, the NBA title boasting "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4..." before they even played a game, the arrogant self-absorbed tweeting, the mocking of Nowitzki between choke games in the Finals, the coming-up-small in the Finals after all the arrogance, his "burger flipper" speech, etc etc... I used to root for the guy. Not any more. He's an arrogant douchebag.
Yes he is arguably the best player in the NBA. Well, in the regular season anyway. We've seen him have great performances in the postseason- just not when it REALLY counts. Example: last year's Finals when Wade injured his hip, that was Lebron's moment to shine and to step up and be The Man. Instead, he just disappeared.
If Jordan "wasn't much" without Pippen, then Lebron hasn't been anything with OR without D-Wade.
That's fine to know you're good at what you do- and he definitely is- and be confident in yourself. Just know that when you go over the top with it and act like an arrogant douche, you better back that shit up with some championships, or you're gonna take a ton of shit- and he definitely has.
Lebron isn't getting a ring this year I assure you. The Spurs will be just too much for the Heat. I've been watching the NBA long enough to see that coming a mile away.
Die hard Laker fan here. MJ is greater, but Shaq never carried Kobe, Kobe pulled more than his own weight throughout the entire 3peat. It clearly was Shaq's team, but Kobe was no Pippin to Shaq. Kobe had the ball in his hands w/ 20 seconds left to win the game. Shaq was A1, Kobe A2. He was like a Tony Parker to Tim Duncan if anything. It was clearly Shaq's team, but Shaq could not have won without Kobe, just as much as Kobe couldn't win without Shaq, Magic without Kareem, or Bird without McHale.
i'd put duncan ahead of all of those guys. tim's never played with multiple all time greats like russell did. seriously, those celtic teams were loaded. same with magic and kareem. they played with each other/other hall of famers. tims never played with a hall of famer/all time great. robinson was past it, sorry..
if duncan played with a all time great he's have 6-8 rings..that simple. timmy will never get the credit he deserves, well maybe.lets hope he wins number 5 and the 4th nba finals mvp
Saying "Kobe is one or two players away" from another championship or two is like saying you were "one or two" cards away from that royal flush you were looking for. And saying Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq is totally subjective and impossible to prove. Shaq won those 3 Finals MVPs, not Kobe. It is what it is. At the end of the day, it's about MVPs, championships and Finals MVPs.
lets hope the spurs win it all. i never want to see that arrogant bastard, lbj win a ring. he'll be 0-3 in the finals!!! LOL....
timmy will be 2nd to jordan. ahead of magic AND kareem. tim's never played with a super star the caliber of magic, pippen, kareem, james worthy, bird, mchale, parish,etc,etc...parker and manu are good, not all time great though. what tim has done has to be admired. such a humble/classy guy. GO SPURS GO!!!! =)
Am I supposed to base it off what Lebron MIGHT do in the future? Nah. And none of those players you mentioned were nearly as entitled as Lebron obviously thinks he is. "Chosen-1" tattooed across his back... "KING" James... winning "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5..." championships... When you're the only player in NBA history with 3 MVPs but 0 championships, you're gonna take a lot of shit, fair or not.
Soon-to-be 9 seasons without a championship...
how is it fair to say that LBJ is the most overrated player in playoffs history? he got to the finals with a cavs team that had as a 2nd scoring option drew gooden? we all knew the cavs that won like 62 wins with LeBron were going to suck the next year without him. This "analyst" skip always gives the same speech of batman and robin crap, he doesn't know much about bball. The Heat are playing great team basketball,that's all it matters. I really hope the MVP shuts his mouth forever this year.
Yo the point is Kobe will get another ring next year and finish once again 1st or 2nd in scoring or maybe MVP but Lebron man,hes just hype.At least Kobe stuck it out when Shaq left and won 2 titles.Lebron is a quitter and he did it again last year c'mon man lets get real he shouldn't be mention in the same breath when you speak of Jordan or Kobe hell even Magic.He can't even shake the Sixers with ease WTF!!
Of course. Jordan was in 6 finals . Won them all , and got MVP for all . But when arguing for how good someone is all time, saying he got the same amount of rings as the greatest , might make him better then some others. These two years can bump him up a few spots , or it could not . Its still fair to wait though.
but that won't mean anything if he ties jordan in rings bcuz the way jordan got his & the way kobe got his is different. jordan was always the best player on his team while kobe was only the best for the last 2, the 1st 3 he was the 2nd guy on the team...plus jordan accomplished much more than just rings.
Well this WAS 2 yrs ago and after those ways he left the playoffs before this seemed to be right for a while... These same things were said about MJ during the first 7 yrs of his career until he changed his game up and became more of a team player and won everything else.. So Lebron had his down time so now he has 1 now will he win the rest??? We'll have to see....
That's so true. Alot of idiots actually think 66 games was east for the Heat or any team to win a title this year. WRONG. Ask Rose,Howard and all of these other players injured due to this short season. I didn't hear anyone screaming about how the Spurs won theirs in 1999 when the season was shorten. Fact is this year was way more difficult than any 82 game season is.