Love all the points made in regards to standards for our reptiles. The most popular reptiles to keep are in high supply with not enough demand. If reptile breeders had to keep their adult animals in minimum sized terrariums, wholesale would die overnight and "production" would start getting closer to demand. People are becoming a lot more conscious of what they buy and what their money supports, so small batch breeding might be the way going forward.
But in fact, complex environments can also make the production closer to demand. The animal which is sick can't suit the complex environment and they died then, so less animals will enter the market.
I'm a poor but I have 3 animals growing out of their intermediate tanks within the next year, and I am happy to save and pay more money for his enclosures. So he'll get 3 big sales from me in the coming months, of course I will use your affiliate link come time. I say it all the time but another great podcast, thanks for sharing your knowledge Paul!
As a new small scale ball python breeder, I appreciate these new designs and advancements in enclosure options, like the S.E.S series, is it? It makes me feel like i will be able to utilize more standard size enclosures more efficiently. Being able to stack is huge. Ease of care is huge. Its hard to have more than 10 snakes without having some means of space and care efficiency. What would be incredible is a larger scale, clear tub rack system that allows for versatility and lighting. A happy medium or something. Im just thinking about how many of these 4 ft enclosures id buy and how much that would cost. Its a little cost prohibitive.
Really good podcast, Paul was really interesting. I really like the enclosures would love a few but I’m not sure they are available in the UK which is a shame.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! I’m sure Paul will chime in on this thread to answer that, but if he doesn’t, you can always reach out to him on Instagram and ask
Such a great episode. Should have closed out 2023 so people can make it a 2024 goal for better pet enclosure. Had to smile a bit with Paul's comments about his snake shifting the misting nozzle. Wink, wink.
Man thank you, I really needed to hear this. I have an adult gargoyle gecko that I got almost 3 weeks ago and I haven’t seen him or seen food missing yet. None of my others had issues like this but it makes sense that it would throw him off in a new environment all a sudden
Great episode. I've got two 6 foot CRH enclosures waiting to be assembled. :) I would like to respectfully say something regarding breeding versus wild caught that may be worth thinking about. Dav Kaufman in his Ball Pythons in the Wild did an excellent if heartbreaking job of this point. If we put a complete ban on importing wild caught reptiles the people making a living catching them will simply switch to killing them for the leather and skin trade. And that will be the end of them soon enough. And I also have a question.....who exactly is buying these thousand dollar ball pythons? Other breeders. So what is happening to the literally thousands of snakes that no one buys? What is the point of all these morphs? It definitely isn't for the welfare of the species.
I t took a couple of days before I got the courage to watch this cause I was so afraid it would be depressing...Nope,it was excellent. I'm just an average one reptile keeper with a gargoyle gecko. I have zero interest in having a room full of animals. Anyway,I really enjoy your programming.
I can either buy a reptile on the internet and have to pay an extra $50 in shipping, drive a hour and a half plus away to the closest exotic pet store that may not be better than PetSmart, or I can drive 20 minutes to PetSmart, where I get to see the animal in personbefore I buy it and its significantly cheaper because I don't have to pay $50 plus in shipping. the cheapest basic ball python I can get on morph market right now is $70 including shipping. I can get a normal ball python for $100 on Backwater Reptiles. $95 on Imperial Reptiles & Exotics. $122 on xyzreptiles. $109 on Big Apple Herp. and I can get one from PetSmart today for $50, plus a little bit of gas, but PetSmart is by everything else in town so I can run my everyday errands beforehand and not use extra gas.
I believe PETA’s claims were likely exaggerated, however I also believe large scale breeders prioritize money over animal welfare so I’m sure corners are cut, although the standard of care likely varies between facilities. However, there is a growing portion of reptile keepers like myself who in any case are preferring to purchase animals from smaller scale breeders who keep their breeding animals in “pet”-style enclosures rather than racks and such. I think smaller scale breeding is better for animal welfare in most cases, especially at this point when so many rescues are flooded with “common” reptiles. Just my two cents on it. Enjoyed the discussion on the trend towards keeping animals in larger, more naturalistic enclosures. I hope all pet stores eventually carry wonderful options like those offered by Custom Reptile Habitats.
Yep, I agree! I think most of us who are more experienced, will tend to purchase animals from small scale breeders. Thank you for watching the episode and adding to the discussion!
Unfortunately this industry will always put profits and people (customers) before ethics, education, and the animals themselves. This is because they must do so to stay in business at such a large scale.. Until we have some form of restrictions on reptile keeping, permits etc, the problems afflicting this industry are only going to get worse as the hobby becomes more mainstream in society.. The majority of people currently keeping these animals are casual keepers and therefore will continually influence how the industry goes about doing business, which will ultimately push this hobby in the wrong direction in my opinion.. No shortage of people will potentially disagree with me, but I’ve personally worked in the retail exotic pet trade since 1994 and have continually seen the industry progress in this direction.. Sure there’s better options equipment wise for keeping reptiles today, but the core problem is the vast majority of people keeping these animals are not utilizing the optimal products, husbandry techniques, and literature even though these things are more available then they’ve ever been.. Keep in mind that even when an animal is kept in an optimal way there’s still plenty of inherent risk factors associated with artificial captive environments. This is why most zoological facilities have vets on staff and even the best keepers have issues with certain individual animals on occasion. Don’t get me wrong there are plenty risk factors in the wild as well, but the key difference is nature can almost always utilize animal mortality via natural processes that benefit the ecosystem..
1:58:48 I know a guy that works for reptiles by Mac, it is interesting the psychological effects on the 100s of dead snakes they have to clean up, every day. But that is better than some people we know of
Hi Daniel, I am sorry that you are being misled like that. It really does prove the point that I am making that some in this industry will attack others without any proof whatsoever. In reality, that facility is one of the best in the industry.
@CustomReptileHabitats see, I think this goes into what I try to explain, when you only look at good or bad, it losses so much. You said it best the amount of animals they deal with is huge, he talked about unloading over a 1000 of snakes off one truck. So yea they are going to loss a bunch as they set them up, so it actually a good thing they coil out the dead. But even you started to say the toll it takes to loss animals. So the psychological effects on the employees is still a concern. It is what it is, not bad or good.
@CustomReptileHabitats it didn't sound like they just throw them all in a ban and left. It sounded like they all had to be individually placed and coiled through, which is a good practice
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Love all the points made in regards to standards for our reptiles. The most popular reptiles to keep are in high supply with not enough demand. If reptile breeders had to keep their adult animals in minimum sized terrariums, wholesale would die overnight and "production" would start getting closer to demand. People are becoming a lot more conscious of what they buy and what their money supports, so small batch breeding might be the way going forward.
But in fact, complex environments can also make the production closer to demand. The animal which is sick can't suit the complex environment and they died then, so less animals will enter the market.
Great episode Dillon and Paul. A lot of good talking points while looking at the industry through a wide scope and forward thinking.
Thanks for watching episode, Brad!
I'm a poor but I have 3 animals growing out of their intermediate tanks within the next year, and I am happy to save and pay more money for his enclosures. So he'll get 3 big sales from me in the coming months, of course I will use your affiliate link come time. I say it all the time but another great podcast, thanks for sharing your knowledge Paul!
That’s awesome man! That will be a fun upgrade 😀 thanks for watching the episode, glad you enjoyed it!
As a new small scale ball python breeder, I appreciate these new designs and advancements in enclosure options, like the S.E.S series, is it? It makes me feel like i will be able to utilize more standard size enclosures more efficiently. Being able to stack is huge. Ease of care is huge. Its hard to have more than 10 snakes without having some means of space and care efficiency.
What would be incredible is a larger scale, clear tub rack system that allows for versatility and lighting. A happy medium or something. Im just thinking about how many of these 4 ft enclosures id buy and how much that would cost. Its a little cost prohibitive.
I really wish I knew that sooner about facebook and peta, that makes so much sense now
As expected, another interesting and informative upload. 👍 Great job Dillon! 😃
Thank you very much! 😀
Agreed 👏
Holdback rack is a great podcast! They talk about natural history of snakes too and have interesting deep dives
Yes, they’re awesome!
Really good podcast, Paul was really interesting. I really like the enclosures would love a few but I’m not sure they are available in the UK which is a shame.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! I’m sure Paul will chime in on this thread to answer that, but if he doesn’t, you can always reach out to him on Instagram and ask
Such a great episode. Should have closed out 2023 so people can make it a 2024 goal for better pet enclosure. Had to smile a bit with Paul's comments about his snake shifting the misting nozzle. Wink, wink.
Thanks for watching Mike, glad you enjoyed it! Damn, you’re so right! And yes, 😂 we may have to hook Paul up with some of your misting guards 😉
Man thank you, I really needed to hear this. I have an adult gargoyle gecko that I got almost 3 weeks ago and I haven’t seen him or seen food missing yet. None of my others had issues like this but it makes sense that it would throw him off in a new environment all a sudden
Yep it takes time for them to get comfortable! You can always set up a camera to see if you can catch him out at night 👌🏼
Very professional and informative. Great podcast
Glad you enjoyed it!
You have such good guests love his cages can’t wait to get a chameleon academy type cage maybe others.
Thanks, Sean! Yeah I’m super excited about their collaboration, those Cham enclosures look awesome!
I’m also excited for the chameleon academy line!
Yes! We love to push to bioactive enclosures!
Paul is the best!
Agreed! 😁
this was a fantastic show! Thank you so much for this content! My only question is, what is the name of the book you referenced in the begining?
Thank you for watching, glad you enjoyed the episode! The book is “The E-myth Revisited
By Michael E. Gerber”
Great interview, as always!
Much appreciated!
Great episode. I've got two 6 foot CRH enclosures waiting to be assembled. :)
I would like to respectfully say something regarding breeding versus wild caught that may be worth thinking about. Dav Kaufman in his Ball Pythons in the Wild did an excellent if heartbreaking job of this point. If we put a complete ban on importing wild caught reptiles the people making a living catching them will simply switch to killing them for the leather and skin trade. And that will be the end of them soon enough. And I also have a question.....who exactly is buying these thousand dollar ball pythons? Other breeders. So what is happening to the literally thousands of snakes that no one buys? What is the point of all these morphs? It definitely isn't for the welfare of the species.
Glad you enjoyed it, Lorraine! Thank you for watching. And yes, that is a great point about the wildcat trade… Definitely complicates things.
I t took a couple of days before I got the courage to watch this cause I was so afraid it would be depressing...Nope,it was excellent. I'm just an average one reptile keeper with a gargoyle gecko. I have zero interest in having a room full of animals. Anyway,I really enjoy your programming.
Glad you enjoyed this episode! Thank you for watching, as always!
I can either buy a reptile on the internet and have to pay an extra $50 in shipping, drive a hour and a half plus away to the closest exotic pet store that may not be better than PetSmart, or I can drive 20 minutes to PetSmart, where I get to see the animal in personbefore I buy it and its significantly cheaper because I don't have to pay $50 plus in shipping. the cheapest basic ball python I can get on morph market right now is $70 including shipping. I can get a normal ball python for $100 on Backwater Reptiles. $95 on Imperial Reptiles & Exotics. $122 on xyzreptiles. $109 on Big Apple Herp. and I can get one from PetSmart today for $50, plus a little bit of gas, but PetSmart is by everything else in town so I can run my everyday errands beforehand and not use extra gas.
Great point!
well done ,,,,,, it was a pleasure ,,,, i do appreciate '
Thanks, brother 🙏🏻
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I believe PETA’s claims were likely exaggerated, however I also believe large scale breeders prioritize money over animal welfare so I’m sure corners are cut, although the standard of care likely varies between facilities. However, there is a growing portion of reptile keepers like myself who in any case are preferring to purchase animals from smaller scale breeders who keep their breeding animals in “pet”-style enclosures rather than racks and such. I think smaller scale breeding is better for animal welfare in most cases, especially at this point when so many rescues are flooded with “common” reptiles. Just my two cents on it. Enjoyed the discussion on the trend towards keeping animals in larger, more naturalistic enclosures. I hope all pet stores eventually carry wonderful options like those offered by Custom Reptile Habitats.
Yep, I agree! I think most of us who are more experienced, will tend to purchase animals from small scale breeders. Thank you for watching the episode and adding to the discussion!
PETA is a shareholder of Facebook / Meta?
They sure are 🥲
Unfortunately this industry will always put profits and people (customers) before ethics, education, and the animals themselves.
This is because they must do so to stay in business at such a large scale.. Until we have some form of restrictions on reptile keeping, permits etc, the problems afflicting this industry are only going to get worse as the hobby becomes more mainstream in society..
The majority of people currently keeping these animals are casual keepers and therefore will continually influence how the industry goes about doing business, which will ultimately push this hobby in the wrong direction in my opinion..
No shortage of people will potentially disagree with me, but I’ve personally worked in the retail exotic pet trade since 1994 and have continually seen the industry progress in this direction.. Sure there’s better options equipment wise for keeping reptiles today, but the core problem is the vast majority of people keeping these animals are not utilizing the optimal products, husbandry techniques, and literature even though these things are more available then they’ve ever been..
Keep in mind that even when an animal is kept in an optimal way there’s still plenty of inherent risk factors associated with artificial captive environments. This is why most zoological facilities have vets on staff and even the best keepers have issues with certain individual animals on occasion. Don’t get me wrong there are plenty risk factors in the wild as well, but the key difference is nature can almost always utilize animal mortality via natural processes that benefit the ecosystem..
Thank you for watching the episode, and providing your thoughts as well!
All these podcasts have made me despise these chain stores. I never realized how badly these animals are kept
1:58:48 I know a guy that works for reptiles by Mac, it is interesting the psychological effects on the 100s of dead snakes they have to clean up, every day. But that is better than some people we know of
Hi Daniel, I am sorry that you are being misled like that. It really does prove the point that I am making that some in this industry will attack others without any proof whatsoever. In reality, that facility is one of the best in the industry.
@CustomReptileHabitats see, I think this goes into what I try to explain, when you only look at good or bad, it losses so much. You said it best the amount of animals they deal with is huge, he talked about unloading over a 1000 of snakes off one truck. So yea they are going to loss a bunch as they set them up, so it actually a good thing they coil out the dead. But even you started to say the toll it takes to loss animals. So the psychological effects on the employees is still a concern. It is what it is, not bad or good.
@CustomReptileHabitats it didn't sound like they just throw them all in a ban and left. It sounded like they all had to be individually placed and coiled through, which is a good practice
They way that Petco keeps dart frogs should be (possible is criminal.