I owned a 11 ecoboost and now a 21 ram with 3.21 gears and 5.7 hemi e torque,,Don't plan on towing heavy so it's a good choice for me. The rams interior is so well thought out. And the coil spring suspension rides like your in a dream
Ram definitely rides smoother, but the coilsprings need airbags if u are going to tow anything other than a small trailer. My bud has a '19 Ram, i got a '18 F150. We compare all the time and we both like each others trucks. He put air bags in, i put Bilsteins in the rear. From that it was just personal preference on looks and sound
I have a 21 ram and my brother has a 21 Ford and my dad has a 19 ram. They are all amazing I just live ram and he loves Ford 🤷🏻♂️ we share a 18 3500 Cummins when any of us needs to tow heavy and it all works just buy what you like 😋
2:15 AM and I'm watching 2 guys testing top tier trucks with peak load uphill, Trucks that aren't even available in my place, nor I've seen them ever in my life
just bought a used 21 Laramie with 10K on the odo. Has the regular hemi ( no e torque), 3.21 rear axle. Drove it from Detroit MI to Lexington KY averaging 75 mph and got 21.7 mpg. Had just under 1000 pounds in the bed so I was very pleased with the fuel economy.
Andre has come along way from speaking Russian and checking brake temps to now hosting segments well done another great video .. maybe yall can get a 7500 lb travel trailer to measure how the trucks handle sway at speed running the interstate
For some reason I'm not really surprised with the mpg. I feel like Ford's tech is great to save fuel during idle conditions and light city drive, but towing is a whole different game.
Turbo is not Ford tech, they are probably the best at it however it delivers as promised. If I towed constantly I'd buy a super duty, most 1/2 tons tow less often than not. Turbo delivers as promised, I own one and have no interest in getting another V8, unless it's a turbo 8. When I tow with my mine it'll knock my mpg average down from 19-20 to 14-15 but I am not flooring it, to save mpg with a turbo drive at constant speed. I'm on the east coast, when cross the continental divide in West. Virginia un-boosted trucks can't keep up, meanwhile I'm in cruise the rpm gauge never breaks 2k my average for the trip will be 20. My F150 get's better real world mpg's than many of the care based SUV's on the roads today
@@stevenhanna6973 What would be the point? The truck made the climb, with the taller gear just fine. It seems to me, the RAM would loose MPG with the 3.73, so why would you do that?
@@jimsiggy Right as Mr Truck said, the Ford had a 3.91 rear but three OD gears on the ten speed so the final drive ratio versus the 8 speed Ram with 3.11 rears was probably very close
That intro music for the IKE never gets old. It's been too long since I've seen one of these and of course will be waiting on seeing a very entertaining ford lightning test later this year!
More proof that trucks are close enough that it boils down to your personal choice. I prefer the look of the ram inside and out. So I choose to drive Ram. So unless someone is giving me 70 grand plus to buy a truck they prefer.... I'll be spending my hard earned cash where I want and you do the same. Great video as always fellas!
Except one can run your house when the power is out, or your tools, while getting better gas mileage while doing common driving. While you're right it's down to preference, the Ford is more capable then the RAM and only in this test (with different rear ratios mind you) did the RAM finally come out on top.
My buddy does collision for a living he says every manufacturer is supplied with the same suppliers Lear seats Johnson control this Johnson control that Hyundai Kia Toyota Ford Chrysler GM they all use the same suppliers you're basically getting a rebadged vehicle with a different engines that's it!! Don't believe me?? take them apart and look for yourselves... The vents in my Silverado look identical to the vents in an F-150... The dome light switch in my Silverado is identical to the dome light switch in a Toyota. If you take the door panels off a current Colorado it's the same door shell and window regulators in a Toyota pickup truck... And the Ford bronco is just a Land Rover defender rebadged it's all the same s***.....
No .. they are not close at all in terms of quality and king term use ... It's Ford number one by a mile , then Chevy but they stopped making good trucks in 2003 but their 2500s are still good and then Ram .. ram has always been the 3rd best in quality and always falls apart... Honestly though if toytoa actually focused on a full size pick up truck it would be number one but it's just an after thought for them
@@philllsxga.7737 lol .. you do understand that hundai is garbage 🗑️ ... Kia is garbage ... Chrysler is garbage ... Land Rover is garbage ... And the new bronco sport is garbage 🗑️
Oh really Toyota’s way more complicated DOHC 5.7L is absolutely superior in durability to any Hemi! Ram / Dodge has been building push-rod engines for over 50 years, and still can match the durability of Toyota’s engines!
@@latonywoods9581 ironic seeing as the Ram 1500 ranked most reliable half-ton from 2010-2020 based on actual invoices from thousands of auto shops around the country
Congratulations 👏, i have over 37k on mine so far so good. I have the 5.7 Hemi with Etorque. I averaged 22.5 miles cruising at 70-75 on a 1.5 hr trip recently. Going uphill was different got about 21.2
@@tr4u5mp90 okay dude you’re cool. My 2021 has 39k miles no issues abs my fourth gen 2017 I just traded last year had 127k no issues and my entire fleet I buy all my salesman ram 1500 bighorns with the entertainment level 2 package and never had an issue.
The Ram guys will love the Ram and Ford guys the Ford. I JUST leased a 2021 Ram today so I am also biased lol. Seriously, brand loyalty is silly. Brands aren't loyal to us... I got what I thought was a good deal and I hope I made the right choice. That is all any of us can do. Good luck to us all :) Be safe and be well everyone! It's more than a little crazy out there these days...
My Ford F150 XL STX with 2.7 Ecoboost and 36 gallon tank can vary from 400 - 800 miles of range depending on the driving conditions. It's crazy how much more fuel it uses when you're in the throttle but man that little 2.7 has insane acceleration and awesome torque.
I think the F150 without the power boost would be just fine for trailering, it has proven that in a lot of tests - and that lets you get the 36 gallon fuel tank which is fantastic to have.
If I needed a truck, I'd have to go with RAM. I'm partial to them because my dad has one and I love that thing like crazy. It's the only old vehicle I'd drive because it means so much to me. Ford has a great product too.
The assessment on the ford is pretty accurate to what I see. I tow a 26' toy hauler all over the Carolinas, and I average about 7mpg with the Powerboost. My trailer weight ranges from 8500 to 9000 depending on configuration. There are a couple of interesting config things I have seen with the Ford. I get better fuel mileage in sport mode while towing because the engine carries more rpm and less boost. I get way better milage off the highway. Sometimes as high as 12 mpg. I believe this to be because the hybrid system is providing support until about 45mph. Even when I am unloaded the truck never runs in electric only mode beyond 45mp. Also on downhills, you can set a gear limiter so that you can force it to use a lower gear even though the truck does not seem to want to.
@@MrTruckTV Problem with the IKE is that most (large majority) of the time people are towing on a level highway or slight inclines. So the IKE is not representative of most peoples towing experiences. So the IKE is a worst case scenario for MPG and braking, not a typical case scenario.
ua-cam.com/video/2ML7VrFA8xA/v-deo.html The 3.92 truck seems stronger than the 3.21 truck. Not a apples to apples comparison though. Different trailers and the 3.92 truck had heavy off-road tires.
@@hi4429 I can tell you for a fact out of experience.. My 17 Ram had 3:21s and my 2019 Classic had 3:21s and my 2021 Ram has 3:92's and they make a world of difference in towing without sacrificing fuel economy. I can tow my 20 ft cuddy on hilly roads at 65 mph and it pulls the boat with a lot less effort and still pump out 17 mpg.
@@kenrobinson1099 That is good to hear. Have a '20 with that rear end and looking at travel trailers (27-29 ft) and live in CO. Super curious as to how it will handle the hills here.
I have a 2021 Ram 1500 quad cab classic warlock 4x4, 5.7 with 3.92 gears she is rated right at 11,450 for towing big difference in rear ends and payload by gears
@@andyharman3022 the Chevy volt is the only PHEV with 50 mies of range. And that number is pretty perfect. If they made one with 80 miles of range and a 150hp range extender would be awesome. Takes about 100hp to tow a 23' boat at 70mph. Would not be able to maintain full speed up the Ike, but hey that is ok.
@@ericensley2427 Dream on. The 50 mile range of the 2nd gen Volt was based on the Federal fuel economy test, which only requires an average power of ~10 hp for an average cycle speed of 29 mph. It takes a lot more power (and probably more than the 100 hp you quote) to tow a 23' boat at 70 mph, and the 18.4 kW*hr battery pack would be flat in 10 minutes at the 111 kW that the Volt main motor is rated at. Then the car is down to 55 kW from the range extender engine/generator set. The only boat that a Volt could get up the Ike would be an inflatable dinghy in the trunk.
@@andyharman3022 you math looks pretty spot on. I was not trying to use the volt as a tow vehicle. The 100hp at 70 was on flat ground. (Tesla model X vids show about 85kw to tow on flat ground) My point in what I was trying to dream of, would be a truck that has 50-80 mile battery with a gas range extender of something in the 150hp range. I am dreaming because this does not exist. And the battery would need to be 30-40kw to get a truck 50-80miles of range. It would be nice to be able to pull ur boat to the ramp and then have the range extender give u half charge or so. Then on the drive home the range extender keeps the battery at 20%. I know, I'm dreaming.... :(
I would have guessed the Ford would easily win. Love that Ram. Soon manufacturers will be ridding themselves of V8s and moving toward EVs. I’ll take a V8 any day. Good helpful review.
Small turbocharged engines are awesome as long as you don't need them to deliver lots of power all the time. Once the turbo starts pushing, you need a rich mixture cooling down the cylinders to avoid engine knock. This way lots of fuel is wasted on cooling without producing any power. If I had to tow heavy trailers like this on a regular basis, I would definitely go for the larger displacement, but for stuff like commuting and the occasional off road adventure I will happily stick with the smaller turbocharged engine.
I agree with the "why" of worse MPG but I'll always take the TC engine because it's gonna deliver more capability for towing even though it's at a bit lower MPG. the RAM V8 only outperforms the TC V6 on MPG and nothing else. Not worth it.
I guess you missed they towed 7800 lbs because that is the RAM's max tow rating while the Ford is rated for 4000 lbs more. The Ford has a 3:73 rear end the RAM as a 3.21, put a Ford with the 3:21 rear end in that contest and the mpgs will be about the same and the comment will still be "the 3.5 made it up the mountain effortlessly, the Ram was giving all it had." FYI if you're running a truck on a regular basis at it's limit don't expect it to hold together that long.
@@Steve-yr5vi it would only be at its limit on that specific hill so anywhere else like down here at sea level and it'll chug along happily gotta remember naturally aspirated engines struggle 2 miles above sea level so if you are at a high elevation then yes turbos will be your friend but at sea level it doesn't really matter much because if your towing 10k+ all the time just get a 3/4 ton instead
I had noticed that too (after Andre noted earlier that the oil temperature was at 250 F). I also noted that the Ford lacked an oil pressure guage. I can imagine with twin turbos operating in the Ford and pulling a heavy load uphill, I wouldn't be surprised to see the a temperature exceeding 275 F. Some turbos can generate heat up to a 1,000 F.
Great video as always! I love that these are ran with the most outfitted high end models too, real world numbers! As for which would I choose.... well I’m a Cummins guy and always have been for 30 years. I’ve had 7 trucks outfitted with it and I truly love the Longhorn interior so for me it would be the Ram if I was to ever own a half ton gas truck. I think now days it comes down to only two factors. Brand preferences and not getting a lemon from the start. Each truck manufacturer has pushed the bar to the limit and have figured out how to put power where it’s needed to get the job done. Every manufacturer has bad apples, has inherent problems in one way or another that plague them and tarnish their reputation. Our Ram Longhorn 3500 dually 4x4 is my daily driver and what we use to haul the 17k 5ver and 21k triple axle stock trailer. People always ask what my unloaded mpg is and ask if I wish I had another truck as a daily driver. I say no. The cost of another truck far outweighs the savings in fuel. Again, great video and thank you!
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel of any genre. I feel like Andre and Mr. Truck are the buddies I hang out with after work and talk trucks! So few would understand my brain and how therapeutic this is. I am obsessing over what truck to buy for my daily commuter / random stuff hauler / but also to tow my tri-toon that sits high on the trailer and pulls like pulling a billboard in a very windy part of the country but that will also fit in my garage. Oh, the decisions! Fun to hang out and watch all these though! Keep it up FLT!
This test was so helpful in my decision of which truck to buy. I live in Indiana and never tow at maximum capacity. But for the small percentage of people that tow heavy loads up mountains everyday, they thank you.
I have a 2009 Ram 1500 with 240k miles and I love that truck. To this day it will still get 21mpg highway. But the itch became too great and I just bought a 2021 Ram 6.4/8 speed. It’s a beast and dollar for dollar I don’t think there’s a better truck on the market.
6.2l and 7.3l Ford v8’s are way better than that gutless 6.4 Hemi. I’ve never seen a truck pull in 1st gear up the Ike until the 6.4 laughing joke. Watch the 8speed pull the truck still drops down into 2nd gear 😹
@@paulsegura4759 I see you’ve succumbed to the marketing wars between the brands and base your opinions off that. Here’s the truth, most people who buy gasser heavy duty trucks buy them for low maintenance costs and occasional moderate weight towing. If you actually purchased a gas 2500 to max it out and pull it up the Rocky Mountains I would call you a complete dumb ass. 12 years ago Ram (Dodge back then) shifted their focus on 1500s and gasser trucks to make them comfortable and family oriented because everybody and their brothers were buying cross overs and SUVs. Now you get insanely nice interiors, tv screens on your dashes, fantastic ride quality, next level technology in a pick up truck, and guess who followed suit? Oh yeah, Chevy and Ford because they noticed a massive portion of the market shifting towards Rams, and current projections show Ram overtaking Ford in the next 6 years, they sometimes flip flop with Chevy for 2nd (this is according to their shareholder projections). So my truck’s capability far exceeds anything I’ll ever need to do, I get good mileage (for a 2500) and the interior is hands down better than anything Ford or Chevy offer for the same money, and I think the exterior is the best but that’s debatable, obviously. So if I cared about towing 20,000 pounds up a mountain, I would have bought a Cummins. Which is bar none the best diesel engine on the market today hence why 90% of privatized transport companies use Ram 3500 Cummins. But yeah, maybe next year Ford will increase the 7.3’s towing capacity by 100 pounds making them the leader in that segment and then you’ll have all the reason in the world to buy one! Good luck mate!
@@LPMojoGL I mean yeah, any gas engine with that many miles is going to show it’s age. The truck still fires up and runs good but I can tell it’s losing compression so the top end probably needs a rebuild which is something I won’t be doing to it hence my new truck. Besides that a couple minor things, but all in all it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Andre, any chance of you running your truck with the same load? I'd like to see if there's much of a difference in MPG in a proper truck without 1000 lbs of vibrating seats, LOL.
Happy wife happy life. My wife loves the comfort of the Platinum package. We spend so much time on the road, travel comfort warrants serious consideration…specially for us older folks.
Run the 2021 coyote engine in the Ford with a similar rear end ratio as the Ram to make for a better comparison. That would be more interesting to see.
@@joe1071 Ram is not a full Hybrid like the Ford. The 5.7 with etorque is just a regular 5.7 with a belt assist small electric drive that only works for the first one or two wheel revolutions from a dig. There is no RAM Hybrid to compare to the Ford currently.
For about a year I towed 10-14k lbs roofing dump trailers with my 17 2.7 eco F150. That was in 2018, i still have the truck today and its just fine at 128k miles now. The ecoboost's are amazing engines.
traded in my 22 chevy LT 2.7 with new digital dash and bought a 22 ram big horn 1500 hemi etorgue. The half ton world is intense. I am seeing the v8's gets better fuel economy towing heavy but the turbo engines have more power. The problem when picking a 1/2ton truck is the massive section of options. Personally we like the Ram over the Chevy. Just the little things makes a difference. The wife and i instantly noticed how we liked the Ram better. I was surprised how fast we picked up on the differences
So I’m a ford guy currently running a 3.5 eco boost the engine is incredible for power but under a load tends to get thirsty , however has power to spare. I would buy the ford any ways.
No point in testing Ford's now it's been discontinued. Apparently the ECOBOOST engines are so efficient that people just are buying them instead of the diesel lol.
@@samsonreynolds3728 A weak 7L? It has 470ft-lbs without the electric motor, and 510 in the Raptor. Ford 7.3 godzilla is 475 ft lbs.C6 Z06 LS7 has 470 ft lbs, LS7 is not a weak engine lol, nor is the ecoboost.
@@DoctorMotorcycle Yeah, and it has needs two turbos to make that power. Take that away and it’s a tacoma. Add the turbos to a V8 and find out what happens.
As others have mentioned, love the test Andre and Kent. The rear end ratio may have played into this, yet if I may describe RAM as the underdog, I'm happy for them - I like the idea of e-torque more than I do with more expensive and complicated systems of hybrid + turbos. RAM have come a long way in the past few years and I even had two in the past twenty and they never had issues and the ride was comfortable and the interior & styling was very nice.
Good review I personally bought the 2021 ram 1500 bighorn and was amazed at what it's capable of and that hemi eTorque was worth the extra money to keep that V8 sound -now that's American. But honestly there will always be some rivalry among Ram-Ford and Chevy buy what you need and like it's your money.
Why do folks argue about vehicle brands but they don't argue about potato chip brands, under armour vs nike, verizon vs at & t? But you talk about vehicles and folks get wound up. Why?
Had the Ram, lost the engine at 47,000 miles...got the Ford, 300K miles later still running. Would not get the Ram again, no matter the numbers. I like money in my wallet not in the service bay at Ram.
Those oil temps are exactly why you should run full synthetic oils in these engines and really any modern engines. They run much hotter than the older engines.
@@LA_Commander I would be constantly checking the oil and changing it quite often if my oil was running at 275°F. That's extremely hot. The interesting thing was that the coolant temperature didn't rise much. Makes me think it needs another separate oil cooler or better flow of coolant through the entire engine to transfer more heat to that fluid.
I'm thinking about getting another ram 1500 but I want the 3.92 rear end with the etorque and 5.7 hemi. With air suspension. Would this be a good configuration for towing 10,000km a year then daily driving also
Just towed my 67 mustang from Virginia to detroit with a 3100 lbs trailer so I was right around 6300 lbs and my 15 3.5 ecoboost got 14.5 mpg. Love that little engine.
It's going to do very well. Yes it will use a lot of battery but Ford knows that. That is why they claim 300 mile range conservatively. That's towing range. Without towing it'll be closer to 450+
First of all I love you guys. I watch your channel because it does help me better understand the trucks and their capabilities before I buy. Now with all that said it's time for your show to start setting up these trucks with the same off road tires with like speaks so we can see who is best on road, mud, sand, rocks, gas mileage, tow and snow. I believe the only changes you would need to make are tires, close gearing and ride height. If you put ten to fifteen videos together showing these trucks in sand, mud, road, towing, rocks, milage and snow views like myself will be glued to your videos and most likely they will become most viewed... Thanks for reading and good luck guys... The Banks Family
I've driven identical RAM 1500s back to back, 3.21 vs 3.92 rear end. The 3.92 transformed the truck. Even my grandkids immediately proclaimed the 3.92 geared truck the best and fastest. It was just peppier at all speeds and even part throttle. If you don't mind giving up a little mpg the get the 3.92, you're definitely going to feel the difference. There's a reason all the drag racers use lower gearing. With the overdriven ratios the great shifting 8 speed Torque Flight it is a joy to drive. Make sure you get a limited slip differential as well. If I were buying a used Truck the first thing I'd do is put a set of gears with either a limited slip differential or a Torsen. Having a closed differential is very important for handling, especially with an empty pick-up. It will keep your inside wheel from spinning in wet weather.
Really missed the Ike Gauntlet series. Andre looked crushed at the results 🤣🤣. I recently sold my Ram 1500 Limited for a 2500 due to that rear end ratio and payload. Put bigger tires on the truck and it gets much worse. The Fords are impressive and the interiors are starting to come along nicely. Love the competition!!
I was taught to never top off the fuel tank the way you guys always do. I'm a mechanic with the Canadian Armed Forces for context. Topping off your gas tank can cause pressure to build in the tank and flood the carbon filter vapor collection system, only meant for vapor. Subsequently, this overflow can affect your car's performance and could possibly damage the engine. I just don't see the point in taking the risk for a few extra ml of fuel for testing purposes. My opinion. I'm sure someone here will tear me apart in the comments. Love the content. Keep up the good work.
You are correct. I think that this is how these guys make sure that both tanks are topped off to the same levels, however, no one in their right mind checks gas mileage over a 20 to 30 mile course. The best way to check gas mileage is full tank driven down to about maybe a 1/4 tank, and repeated a number of times, and fuel tallied up over time. Checking fuel mileage over a 30 mile course, even if it's the steepest grade, is downright silly. I've only seen one worse way to check mileage; a guy from NYC who drove a big V8 sedan back in the day. He'd put an empty 1 gallon gas can in the trunk, drive around his beast until it ran out of gas. Then he'd pull out the empty can, walk to the nearest gas station, fill it up with exactly 1 gallon of gas, walk back to his vehicle, put the gas in, note the mileage, drive around again till it ran out, note the mileage, get his gas mileage figured out.. Then he would walk back to the gas station again with the empty 1 gallon can, fill it, walk back, put it in the car, then drive to the gas station, and then fill it up. The wonders of a public education system, I guess.. Yes, this guy actually exists..
Having driven both trucks, I know how the Ram tows after taking a trip out west pulling a 16 x 8.5 trailer loaded with luggage for 4 and a Polaris Slingshot. The high rpm attained while going through mountain passes alarmed me, but after your test, this is normal except for the Ford. I drove the same Ford without trailer and wondered how it would tow. Obviously it got better gas mileage unloaded and your test tells me I made the right choice. Being a Mopar guy, I don't think I would have bought a Ford anyway, but your test makes me feel ,better. Besides, no one ever asked a Chevy or Ford drive, "That thing got a hemi"?
I could care less about the fuel economy while towing. I want a stable, powerful and well poised truck. Which is why I personally chose the F-150. The powerboost is great when unloaded and I’m getting every bit of 24 mpg at 70. Used the pro power onboard quite a few times to power the trailer with ac an equipment on. I’ve been very impressed.
@@illusiveeagle3312 well let me day it's a great engine because it's powerful and great for towing f150s are really fast and when you tow you don't feel nothing behind you with the 3.5! It's just the best gas engine in a half ton
I just picked up a 2021 Powerboost F150 - Andre you are a reason why!! Great video with very fair commentary. Oh, and I traded my 2020 F250 Godzilla V8 for the new ride (I drive A LOT and trade often - 47K miles last year) The F250 gave me NO troubles, ever! Keep up the great work.
Andre, you should look at the video at 6:35. You chains were loose on small bumps. One of these days that will catch up to you in a bad way. Voice of experience speaking here.
@@willieguapo I was talking about the tie down chains for his load. They loosened up on every bump. I learned to check and re-tighten them. Almost lost a car many years ago that I hauled across country because chains loosened.
@@Prestiged_peck then why not call what it "really" is? If it's only used to help the truck off the line, calling it a mild hybrid doesn't make sense. Just my 2 cents. 🤷♂️
@@iceman45ification1 it does more than that though, they can also replace the starter and alternator both, and they can add just a small amount of extra oomph at any speed, they're just most useful as a launch aid
I do like their mild hybrid setup, it's minimal but slick. What's really great is if you have to deal with a lot of stop and go traffic, it makes the auto stop/start seamless.
@@zephxiii I agree. I remember a while back, (and I'm not sure if it ever happened) UPS was going to use a launch assist system like this in all their delivery trucks, only it was going to be a hydraulic setup using pressurized nitrogen. Never heard anything else about it. This seems way more effective.
You can have eco, or you can have boost. You can’t have both. Power produced is energy consumed. The “old” pushrod Hemi got significantly better MPG towing than the Igizmo Ford.
This comparison wasn't, they towed the Ram's max rating vs. about 4k shy of the Ford's. The 3.5 EB can be ordered with a 3:21 rear end and it'll have aa lower max tow rating. In all honesty this comparison wasn't really a comparison at all.
@@hurricane8634 ram 1500 was is rated number 1 for reliability for full size pickups. Ford F-150 is 7th. Average annual repair costs for ram is $691 whereas Ford is $788
Not sure how you guys can be surprised by this. The Ecoboost is always the lower MPG when towing. And when towing a decent load the hybrid won’t be used at all. But the easy towing up the mountain is why I get the Ecoboost when I get new pickups. I do mountain towing a few times every year. You could run up that climb at 90 mph if you wanted too.
It's a 392 rear axle ratio option on the Ram ANDREA not 391. And it gives you a huge amount more of towing cap. Also your in a long horn which means it has 4 corner true air ride suspension which is intended for comfort not max towing or payload. Next time get the 392 rear with a none air ride suspension truck like a Laramie or something or even a bighorn and do the test.
I'd be curious to see a comparison using the adaptive cruise control. Definitely like the ram tailgate the best but the 7.2 power station in the Ford is what I would go for. They just need to adapt the breaking to dynamic braking like trains have for slowing the trucks down, although looking at your results there might be some of that happening with the Ford because fuel consumption goes up when dynamic breaking occurs.
Turbo, gas engines only produce high MPG, under very light loads, simply because the displacement is smaller, than an NA engine with comparable power. BUT under heavy load the turbo engine has to go full rich, to protect the engine from detonation, because of the much higher pressures in the combustion chamber, compared to NA. So really, these turbo gas trucks having better mpg is just a shell game, and as long as you never use the truck for truck stuff, you might get better MPG's.
That watch Mr. Truck was wearing added a few pounds to the GCWR lol. Another great video by Mr. Truck and Andre. Very surprised on those results. Keep up the great work guys.
Nice comparison. 5.7 peak power is right where you had it most of the time around that 4-4500 mark as for the 3.5 eco boost peak torque is around 2500-3000 rpms if I remember.
I would like to see the Ford and RAM battle it out on the mpg towing loop for a more realistic towing scenario. With this being an absolute extreme, Id sacrifice 2 mpg for such a short duration and have the confidence of the Ford's power.
I'd like to see that too, to determine whether this Hybrid is actually usefull or just a marketing bluff. But I'd never sacrifice longevity over turbocharging anyway - especially in an utility vehicle. And having similar mpg IRL makes it a no brainer to me. So definitely not the pricey, complicated Hybrid that, despite all efforts, actually sucks more gas when driven hard...
@@alfisti93 Hybrids do not do much for towing. It's meant to save fuel in city driving stop/go traffic at lower speeds ((Since the Hybrid Motor can keep the vehicle in motions and help to lurch it forward when starting from a stop)). If you were expecting the Hybrid to help you in towing... you're kind of an idiot. There's a reason Ford is marketing it as "Powerboost" and not "super eco". The hybrid will help to provide a bit of extra oomph, but nothing for fuel savings for towing. It's just not what hybrids are designed for...
If the hybrid battery was fully charged when you started down the mountain, there was not enough capacity (empty room in the battery) for the regenerative braking to be more aggressive and reduce your brake applications. The energy created by the regen braking has to go somewhere.
Turbos burn a lot of fuel when you push he motor. They do increase efficiency but not when there is a load. The rear axle ratio on the Ram also helped. I would still buy the Ford because like most people, I don’t tow often and the mpg on the Ford is better when you aren’t towing. Also, the Ford has more power and a significantly higher payload capacity which means less wear and tear on the power train and drivetrain.
Why the F150 EB owners laugh this off? we know what they mean when they say "the F150 went up the mountain effortlessly, couldn't even tell there was a trailer on the back"....
Kinda funny to me that most truck guys berated the EB when it first came out for being too "weak" to do a V8s job. Now that the EB motors are better in terms of power in every way, they finally care about fuel economy. The EB engines are the future. Soon every manufacturer will follow suit and offer high power V6s instead of V8s. Except for Dodge. Without their V8 motor they stuff in everything no one would buy that garbage.
@@jabroni6199 Only if they keep making the huge open pit mines to get the minerals, if the countries crack down on the monster size open pits there will be a shortage of minerals for the batteries.
I think the results may be closer if two similar rear axle ratios were used? Both great trucks for sure......both really competent.Maybe a test involving no towing to compare fuel mileage?
@@bobdennis4801 the ecoboost really isn't that great for towing. It has good torque but the gas mileage sucks at it. Honestly the 5.0 is probably a better towing engine. My mom has a 2018 F150 with a 2.7 and a 3.55 rear end. When we take a 1700 mile trip just towing a couple hundred pounds of weight in the bed and a trailer with a honda atv on it. We usually get 14.6 mpg max. Ford needs to quit their bullcrap with these ecoboost engines and go a different root.
@@caryhuffii7224 the Ecoboost is actually the best towing engine out there right now if you don’t care about fuel mileage. Empty I get 20 running the same area I get 10 towing. But it does with so much ease I don’t care about the fuel mileage. Just set my cruise and go. And I tie in the mountains so it’s so much better than NA motors when towing at elevation.
@@Jay-me7gw in the city around 15-16 Mpg. On the Hwy it might get around 21 mpg unloaded. My dad has a 2010 f150 with the 5.4 and 3.73 gearing and it gets about 15-17 on the Hwy. When towing the gas mileage never really goes down at all with the same load. She doesn't tow that often with her truck (at least every 2 months or so). Our neighbors we had had a 2012 f150 with the 3.5 that they used for towing all the time was always having constant issues. My point is a small v6 shouldn't really be used to tow big loads more than a few miles. It will just wear the engines out. I think if Ford put more money towards a reliable motor they would be in a better position. The 5.0 is a very long lasting motor vs a 3.5 or a 2.7.
I used to be a Ford man, but I love my 2020 Ram. BTW, my Quad cab Bighorn 1500 has the 3.73 axle, and no hybrid system. It has more payload than this test truck. Pleased to see the Ram won the contest. I enjoy your Ike Gauntlet tests. Keep them Coming.
Kinda common sense I guess... the load being put on the engine is distributed over more cylinders in order to accomplish the work.... So less fuel is needed because there are more “ helpers “...
@@T410ce Wait...what?? Then why does the I6 Cummins always get better economy than the more helpers in the V8's?? There really is no explanation for the EB's lower MPG since not only is it working less due to more power PLUS it was turning less RPM EXCEPT for the possibility that Ford runs a rich(read safe) tune under load....it was a relatively short test and the steep climb was a factor. Be interesting to see a longer test with varied loads.
I would love to see a truck tested with different gear ratios. Try and get two mostly identical trucks but one with the 3.21 and one with the 3.91 rear end for example. See the economy difference towing and unloaded. Plus how the driving characteristics change.
With the 8 and 10 speed transmissions it won't matter much at all, the computer will select the proper gear for each, end result will be about the same. Only thing that will be noticed is the initial acceleration. Compare a 6 speed to the 10 speed and then you will see a difference. 3.55 with the 10 speed has a lower 1st ratio than the 3.73 with the 6 speed. It will be faster off the line due to final drive ratio. Look up the ratio comparison charts Ford 6 speed vs 10 speed and Ram 6 vs 8. These new transmission make final ratios moot.
@@acdii Somebody that actually understands that there's a transmission in the equation....thank you!! All the dummies crying about not running the 3.92 must not have watched the video.....the ram was already running a higher RPM than the higher numerically geared ford to pull the hill, obviously in a lower transmission gear....(the Ford was in 7th @ 1:1.) All the the 3.92's would have done is allow a higher trans gear while under way.....rpms would have been the same. Like you wrote,, It would probably have allowed quicker off the line acceleration, but since both trucks hit the max speed limit and had near identical overall times, the 3.92's would have made zero difference.
Incredible the difference in payload between 1/2 ton trucks. The door sticker on my 2018 F150 Lariat says 1815lbs compared to this Ram's 1010lbs. That's a HUGE difference. 805 lbs, or 79% more than the Ram!
Ford can't touch that RAM for best ride or anything else if you do not tow on a regular basis. I have a RAM/HEMI and have put a few basic mods on it -- added increases in H.P. and Torq. I also add some "Lucas" octane boost to the 91 octane gas; these few things make a noticeable difference.
Under load the turbo engines require a much richer air to fuel mixture. City or highway driving is where the EB shines. Under load you cant beat the MPG you get with "city" driving on an EB.
Yeah! The Ram finally won a mpg contest! But the Ford out powered it by a bunch. The hybrid eco boost is a beast! For the price, in this case, I think the Ford is the better choice. The fact that the turbo v6 gulped more gas than the bigger non turbo v8 is no surprise. Historically, a smaller turbocharged engine often drinks more gas than a bigger non turbocharged engine pulling the same load. The Ford was turning consistently 1500 to 2000 rpm less than the Ram going up the hill. (2600 to 3100 vs 4400 to 4600), so the Ford was producing significantly more torque than the Ram thus producing more power at the same speed. Both trucks were using the same grade and quality gas, so the same total energy per gallon was available from the fuel. The total combined gross weights were within a couple hundred pounds of each other. The slightly heavier Ford would require slightly more fuel energy to go the same distance all things being equal. But they aren’t. The Ford easily out powered the Ram. But that power comes at a cost. And that cost is more fuel burned. Since the the amount of work produced (hp) to climb the hill was basically the same for both trucks, because they had the same ascent times up the mountain, and hp (distance the weight moved over time) is a function of torque and rpm, the Ford used a whole lot more torque to cover the same distance than the Ram did. Thus, used more fuel to produce that torque. For example. Let’s assume (this is a guess, I don’t know for sure, let’s say 350 hp is required to pull those trucks up the hill at 60 mph) both the Ram and Ford are using a continuous 350 hp to climb the hill. At 4400 rpm, the Ram needs to produce 418 continuous pounds of torque to generate the 350 hp. The Ford on the other hand, turning 2900 rpm needs to produce 633 continuous pounds of torque to produce that same 350 hp. That is why the eco boost is such a beast! And is using more fuel.
The Ford is a hybrid and used more fuel. Both trucks were able to tow the vehicle up and down the hill fine except the Ford could tow a heavier load (and get even worse mpg). If the gear radio was changed so they had the same gearing it would give more accurate results. I wonder what's more stress on the engine, 2k RPMs or a turbo....
With the turbos, all that torque kicks in at low rpm and that keeps the rpm lower. Looked like the ford was around 3k uphill and the ram was around 4.5k uphill.
We rarely need to rev our PowerBoost above 2500rpm. The boost comes on so quickly that you’ll get all the power you need from 1500-2500rpm. It makes gobs of power.
@@acdii like a diesel without the noise, and without the durability... I know it's unfair comparing a gasser to a diesel when it comes to durability and longevity, but it's the truth.
@@acdii like a diesel without the noise, and without the durability... I know it's unfair comparing a gasser to a diesel when it comes to durability and longevity, but it's the truth.
Noticed oil temp read 275°F! Geez! This thing probably came with 0W-20 in it.... No way I’d be comfortable putting the engine under that kind of load with 0W-20 oil. I’d want at least a 10W-30, or maybe even a Euro oil with 3.5 HTHS.
@@CM-cw8fe Doing that frequently with 0W-20 is a recipe for oxidation of that oil, and the resulting piston deposits, sludging, oil usage, and parts failures.
Those 2 Engines Are The Beast & They Are My Favorites Along With The 6.2L Big Boy V8 With The 10 Speed Automatic Transmission From Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Which I Loved The Most & Those 3 Engines Can Tow Between 6700 LBS & 9600 LBS Going Up The Hill.
Ike!!! Love these with Mr Truck and Andre
Thanks
They are the best on UA-cam I'm my opinion.. I'm just glad they decommunized Ivan lol
@@IamNotTheAnswer Thanks
"Mister Truck are you asleep?"
"No I'm just taking a nap"😂
And "looking for hole's in my eyeballs."
My friend always take a nap before sleeping😜
That was a plug for the Fords awesome "hotel alternative". Some will choose a truck for that exact reason.
I owned a 11 ecoboost and now a 21 ram with 3.21 gears and 5.7 hemi e torque,,Don't plan on towing heavy so it's a good choice for me. The rams interior is so well thought out. And the coil spring suspension rides like your in a dream
Ram definitely rides smoother, but the coilsprings need airbags if u are going to tow anything other than a small trailer. My bud has a '19 Ram, i got a '18 F150. We compare all the time and we both like each others trucks. He put air bags in, i put Bilsteins in the rear. From that it was just personal preference on looks and sound
I have a 21 ram and my brother has a 21 Ford and my dad has a 19 ram. They are all amazing I just live ram and he loves Ford 🤷🏻♂️ we share a 18 3500 Cummins when any of us needs to tow heavy and it all works just buy what you like 😋
I really like both the F150 and Ram, kudos to both teams.
I test drove a Dodge and thought the ride was too soft. And that soft ride = lower payload. I bought a F-150.
Considering these trucks spend 99% of their time not towing, it was a smart decision for Ram to use coilovers and not leafs.
2:15 AM and I'm watching 2 guys testing top tier trucks with peak load uphill, Trucks that aren't even available in my place, nor I've seen them ever in my life
Where are you from?
Greetings from America! RAM trucks are just plain better.
just bought a used 21 Laramie with 10K on the odo. Has the regular hemi ( no e torque), 3.21 rear axle. Drove it from Detroit MI to Lexington KY averaging 75 mph and got 21.7 mpg. Had just under 1000 pounds in the bed so I was very pleased with the fuel economy.
Andre has come along way from speaking Russian and checking brake temps to now hosting segments well done another great video .. maybe yall can get a 7500 lb travel trailer to measure how the trucks handle sway at speed running the interstate
I remember those days.. I was here before 2000 subscribers
He speaks much better than Mr. Truck.
Yes I remember him from the 2013 Ram video with the Pentastar when I was in the market for a half ton truck
Why does this comment always come up
@@austinjones9970 lol.. why, does it bother you? I think we like to see how he has become so “American”.
For some reason I'm not really surprised with the mpg. I feel like Ford's tech is great to save fuel during idle conditions and light city drive, but towing is a whole different game.
Turbo is not Ford tech, they are probably the best at it however it delivers as promised. If I towed constantly I'd buy a super duty, most 1/2 tons tow less often than not. Turbo delivers as promised, I own one and have no interest in getting another V8, unless it's a turbo 8. When I tow with my mine it'll knock my mpg average down from 19-20 to 14-15 but I am not flooring it, to save mpg with a turbo drive at constant speed. I'm on the east coast, when cross the continental divide in West. Virginia un-boosted trucks can't keep up, meanwhile I'm in cruise the rpm gauge never breaks 2k my average for the trip will be 20. My F150 get's better real world mpg's than many of the care based SUV's on the roads today
1.5 kWh isn't much for energy storage. A descent while towing would need a significantly larger battery to consume that energy on the way down.
Ok let them test the ram with the 373 rear end
@@stevenhanna6973 What would be the point? The truck made the climb, with the taller gear just fine. It seems to me, the RAM would loose MPG with the 3.73, so why would you do that?
@@jimsiggy Right as Mr Truck said, the Ford had a 3.91 rear but three OD gears on the ten speed so the final drive ratio versus the 8 speed Ram with 3.11 rears was probably very close
That intro music for the IKE never gets old. It's been too long since I've seen one of these and of course will be waiting on seeing a very entertaining ford lightning test later this year!
Demo ranch and off the ranch have the same music
That ford lighting will probably die on the way up to the mountain.😂😂😂
@@caryhuffii7224 🤣🤣
These idiots don’t know how to do a truck test,
More proof that trucks are close enough that it boils down to your personal choice. I prefer the look of the ram inside and out. So I choose to drive Ram. So unless someone is giving me 70 grand plus to buy a truck they prefer.... I'll be spending my hard earned cash where I want and you do the same. Great video as always fellas!
Except one can run your house when the power is out, or your tools, while getting better gas mileage while doing common driving. While you're right it's down to preference, the Ford is more capable then the RAM and only in this test (with different rear ratios mind you) did the RAM finally come out on top.
My buddy does collision for a living he says every manufacturer is supplied with the same suppliers Lear seats Johnson control this Johnson control that Hyundai Kia Toyota Ford Chrysler GM they all use the same suppliers you're basically getting a rebadged vehicle with a different engines that's it!!
Don't believe me?? take them apart and look for yourselves...
The vents in my Silverado look identical to the vents in an F-150...
The dome light switch in my Silverado is identical to the dome light switch in a Toyota.
If you take the door panels off a current Colorado it's the same door shell and window regulators in a Toyota pickup truck...
And the Ford bronco is just a Land Rover defender rebadged it's all the same s***.....
No .. they are not close at all in terms of quality and king term use ... It's Ford number one by a mile , then Chevy but they stopped making good trucks in 2003 but their 2500s are still good and then Ram .. ram has always been the 3rd best in quality and always falls apart... Honestly though if toytoa actually focused on a full size pick up truck it would be number one but it's just an after thought for them
@@philllsxga.7737 hell no none on that is correct.
@@philllsxga.7737 lol .. you do understand that hundai is garbage 🗑️ ... Kia is garbage ... Chrysler is garbage ... Land Rover is garbage ... And the new bronco sport is garbage 🗑️
I’m so blown away! Ram has come such a long way! You can turbo anything and it will have more torque and power. But nothing beats a reliable hemi v8
Oh really Toyota’s way more complicated DOHC 5.7L is absolutely superior in durability to any Hemi! Ram / Dodge has been building push-rod engines for over 50 years, and still can match the durability of Toyota’s engines!
Toyotas are for homosexuals and gardeners
@@latonywoods9581 ironic seeing as the Ram 1500 ranked most reliable half-ton from 2010-2020 based on actual invoices from thousands of auto shops around the country
@@treyroberts8124 what a joke that is.
Yea it came from junk to garbage
Thank you for finally bringing back Mr.Truck and Andre on an Ike Gauntlet. This is the content that got me hooked years ago
Thanks
AND NO FACE PAMPERS!!!
Picking up my 21Longhorn Monday June 7.Ordered it March 30 and it is finally in,PUMPED !!!
You'll be taking it back for electrical problems on Tuesday.
@@tr4u5mp90 lies i have a 19 limited and its great
Congratulations 👏, i have over 37k on mine so far so good. I have the 5.7 Hemi with Etorque. I averaged 22.5 miles cruising at 70-75 on a 1.5 hr trip recently. Going uphill was different got about 21.2
Your going to love if it love mine with no issues
@@tr4u5mp90 okay dude you’re cool. My 2021 has 39k miles no issues abs my fourth gen 2017 I just traded last year had 127k no issues and my entire fleet I buy all my salesman ram 1500 bighorns with the entertainment level 2 package and never had an issue.
The Ram guys will love the Ram and Ford guys the Ford. I JUST leased a 2021 Ram today so I am also biased lol. Seriously, brand loyalty is silly. Brands aren't loyal to us... I got what I thought was a good deal and I hope I made the right choice. That is all any of us can do. Good luck to us all :) Be safe and be well everyone! It's more than a little crazy out there these days...
Dude that was well said!
They both suck. Get a Tundra
@taco Timmy
This vid is about trucks and towing. Why involve a Tieota?
@@paulhunter9613 I forgot you domestic guys don't care about reliability or build quality.
Bingo, I’m on my 4th Ford in 30 years and never had an issue, if you can say that about your truck you better stick with the brand, your doing good.
My Ford F150 XL STX with 2.7 Ecoboost and 36 gallon tank can vary from 400 - 800 miles of range depending on the driving conditions. It's crazy how much more fuel it uses when you're in the throttle but man that little 2.7 has insane acceleration and awesome torque.
I get 1400 to 1500 km to a tank every tank. 8.7 to 9.3L per 100kms
I'd take the f150 forsure
@@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761 No question! I agree.
Perfectly adequate when you're not telling something huge. A good balance between power and economy
I think the F150 without the power boost would be just fine for trailering, it has proven that in a lot of tests - and that lets you get the 36 gallon fuel tank which is fantastic to have.
If I needed a truck, I'd have to go with RAM. I'm partial to them because my dad has one and I love that thing like crazy. It's the only old vehicle I'd drive because it means so much to me. Ford has a great product too.
The assessment on the ford is pretty accurate to what I see. I tow a 26' toy hauler all over the Carolinas, and I average about 7mpg with the Powerboost. My trailer weight ranges from 8500 to 9000 depending on configuration. There are a couple of interesting config things I have seen with the Ford. I get better fuel mileage in sport mode while towing because the engine carries more rpm and less boost. I get way better milage off the highway. Sometimes as high as 12 mpg. I believe this to be because the hybrid system is providing support until about 45mph. Even when I am unloaded the truck never runs in electric only mode beyond 45mp. Also on downhills, you can set a gear limiter so that you can force it to use a lower gear even though the truck does not seem to want to.
I get anxiety every time I see you guys camping in the left lane. LOL
you need a taller hill? ok get this for a torture test episode; "Pikes Peak towing test"
Yes we do, it's hard to find with 4 lanes
Get a plow, hook it up and plow the field.
@@MrTruckTV I don't know about 4 lanes, but Slumgullion Pass is claimed to be the steepest grade in all of Colorado. Surely you all know about it?
@@WW-wf8tu Haven't heard of it. The Ike is not easy that's why we need 4 lanes.
@@MrTruckTV Problem with the IKE is that most (large majority) of the time people are towing on a level highway or slight inclines. So the IKE is not representative of most peoples towing experiences. So the IKE is a worst case scenario for MPG and braking, not a typical case scenario.
No step needed if you have the trailer hitch to step on!
I would love to see the numbers of this test with a RAM with the 3.91 dif.
3.92
ua-cam.com/video/2ML7VrFA8xA/v-deo.html The 3.92 truck seems stronger than the 3.21 truck. Not a apples to apples comparison though. Different trailers and the 3.92 truck had heavy off-road tires.
@@hi4429 I can tell you for a fact out of experience.. My 17 Ram had 3:21s and my 2019 Classic had 3:21s and my 2021 Ram has 3:92's and they make a world of difference in towing without sacrificing fuel economy. I can tow my 20 ft cuddy on hilly roads at 65 mph and it pulls the boat with a lot less effort and still pump out 17 mpg.
@@kenrobinson1099 That is good to hear. Have a '20 with that rear end and looking at travel trailers (27-29 ft) and live in CO. Super curious as to how it will handle the hills here.
I have a 2021 Ram 1500 quad cab classic warlock 4x4, 5.7 with 3.92 gears she is rated right at 11,450 for towing big difference in rear ends and payload by gears
Turbo engines run rich under high load to prevent knock, totally predictable. Hybrid system only helps in start/stop situations.
Ford knows 9 out of 10 buyers won't tow daily. So hybrid system really shines
Anything hybrid is garbage.
Hybrid shines in city driving conditions.
@@zelenizub2036 That’s a myth hybrids are only junk to you CAUSE you don’t understand them
@@mauricemotors8207 exactly. Uneducated.
23:50, that truck driver is having a bad day.
Weird how these Ike Gauntlet vids work so well as infotainment. I love them all! Trucks doing truck stuff!
Ford needs the 2.7 EB, with full plug in hybrid. That would be ideal for me. Plug in range of around 50 miles would be perfect for around town.
I have never seen anybody advertise a plug-in range for a PHEV of 50 miles. Especially with a heavy vehicle with a lot of frontal area like a truck.
@@andyharman3022 the Chevy volt is the only PHEV with 50 mies of range. And that number is pretty perfect. If they made one with 80 miles of range and a 150hp range extender would be awesome. Takes about 100hp to tow a 23' boat at 70mph. Would not be able to maintain full speed up the Ike, but hey that is ok.
@@ericensley2427 Dream on. The 50 mile range of the 2nd gen Volt was based on the Federal fuel economy test, which only requires an average power of ~10 hp for an average cycle speed of 29 mph. It takes a lot more power (and probably more than the 100 hp you quote) to tow a 23' boat at 70 mph, and the 18.4 kW*hr battery pack would be flat in 10 minutes at the 111 kW that the Volt main motor is rated at. Then the car is down to 55 kW from the range extender engine/generator set. The only boat that a Volt could get up the Ike would be an inflatable dinghy in the trunk.
@@andyharman3022 you math looks pretty spot on. I was not trying to use the volt as a tow vehicle. The 100hp at 70 was on flat ground. (Tesla model X vids show about 85kw to tow on flat ground) My point in what I was trying to dream of, would be a truck that has 50-80 mile battery with a gas range extender of something in the 150hp range. I am dreaming because this does not exist. And the battery would need to be 30-40kw to get a truck 50-80miles of range. It would be nice to be able to pull ur boat to the ramp and then have the range extender give u half charge or so. Then on the drive home the range extender keeps the battery at 20%. I know, I'm dreaming.... :(
@@andyharman3022 did some tests, 29 mph uses 3-4kw. 45mph uses about 9-10kw on a 2nd gen volt.
I would have guessed the Ford would easily win. Love that Ram. Soon manufacturers will be ridding themselves of V8s and moving toward EVs. I’ll take a V8 any day. Good helpful review.
Small turbocharged engines are awesome as long as you don't need them to deliver lots of power all the time. Once the turbo starts pushing, you need a rich mixture cooling down the cylinders to avoid engine knock. This way lots of fuel is wasted on cooling without producing any power. If I had to tow heavy trailers like this on a regular basis, I would definitely go for the larger displacement, but for stuff like commuting and the occasional off road adventure I will happily stick with the smaller turbocharged engine.
Agree. Using fuel for cylinder cooling is a factor when heavily loading an engine that uses turbos to approximate the performance of a larger engine.
I agree with the "why" of worse MPG but I'll always take the TC engine because it's gonna deliver more capability for towing even though it's at a bit lower MPG. the RAM V8 only outperforms the TC V6 on MPG and nothing else. Not worth it.
I guess you missed they towed 7800 lbs because that is the RAM's max tow rating while the Ford is rated for 4000 lbs more. The Ford has a 3:73 rear end the RAM as a 3.21, put a Ford with the 3:21 rear end in that contest and the mpgs will be about the same and the comment will still be "the 3.5 made it up the mountain effortlessly, the Ram was giving all it had." FYI if you're running a truck on a regular basis at it's limit don't expect it to hold together that long.
The EcoBeast turbos are built into the manifolds and are water cooled
@@Steve-yr5vi it would only be at its limit on that specific hill so anywhere else like down here at sea level and it'll chug along happily gotta remember naturally aspirated engines struggle 2 miles above sea level so if you are at a high elevation then yes turbos will be your friend but at sea level it doesn't really matter much because if your towing 10k+ all the time just get a 3/4 ton instead
Anyone else notice the Ram's oil temp was at 275! That coolant/ oil temp difference is insane!
I definitely noticed that! The coolant temp was 228 but dropped down to 221.
From what I know it’s not suppose to stay in those temps for very long
I had noticed that too (after Andre noted earlier that the oil temperature was at 250 F). I also noted that the Ford lacked an oil pressure guage. I can imagine with twin turbos operating in the Ford and pulling a heavy load uphill, I wouldn't be surprised to see the a temperature exceeding 275 F. Some turbos can generate heat up to a 1,000 F.
Great video as always! I love that these are ran with the most outfitted high end models too, real world numbers! As for which would I choose.... well I’m a Cummins guy and always have been for 30 years. I’ve had 7 trucks outfitted with it and I truly love the Longhorn interior so for me it would be the Ram if I was to ever own a half ton gas truck. I think now days it comes down to only two factors. Brand preferences and not getting a lemon from the start. Each truck manufacturer has pushed the bar to the limit and have figured out how to put power where it’s needed to get the job done. Every manufacturer has bad apples, has inherent problems in one way or another that plague them and tarnish their reputation. Our Ram Longhorn 3500 dually 4x4 is my daily driver and what we use to haul the 17k 5ver and 21k triple axle stock trailer. People always ask what my unloaded mpg is and ask if I wish I had another truck as a daily driver. I say no. The cost of another truck far outweighs the savings in fuel. Again, great video and thank you!
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel of any genre. I feel like Andre and Mr. Truck are the buddies I hang out with after work and talk trucks! So few would understand my brain and how therapeutic this is. I am obsessing over what truck to buy for my daily commuter / random stuff hauler / but also to tow my tri-toon that sits high on the trailer and pulls like pulling a billboard in a very windy part of the country but that will also fit in my garage. Oh, the decisions! Fun to hang out and watch all these though! Keep it up FLT!
This test was so helpful in my decision of which truck to buy. I live in Indiana and never tow at maximum capacity. But for the small percentage of people that tow heavy loads up mountains everyday, they thank you.
I have a 2009 Ram 1500 with 240k miles and I love that truck. To this day it will still get 21mpg highway. But the itch became too great and I just bought a 2021 Ram 6.4/8 speed. It’s a beast and dollar for dollar I don’t think there’s a better truck on the market.
6.2l and 7.3l Ford v8’s are way better than that gutless 6.4 Hemi. I’ve never seen a truck pull in 1st gear up the Ike until the 6.4 laughing joke. Watch the 8speed pull the truck still drops down into 2nd gear 😹
@@paulsegura4759 I see you’ve succumbed to the marketing wars between the brands and base your opinions off that. Here’s the truth, most people who buy gasser heavy duty trucks buy them for low maintenance costs and occasional moderate weight towing. If you actually purchased a gas 2500 to max it out and pull it up the Rocky Mountains I would call you a complete dumb ass. 12 years ago Ram (Dodge back then) shifted their focus on 1500s and gasser trucks to make them comfortable and family oriented because everybody and their brothers were buying cross overs and SUVs. Now you get insanely nice interiors, tv screens on your dashes, fantastic ride quality, next level technology in a pick up truck, and guess who followed suit? Oh yeah, Chevy and Ford because they noticed a massive portion of the market shifting towards Rams, and current projections show Ram overtaking Ford in the next 6 years, they sometimes flip flop with Chevy for 2nd (this is according to their shareholder projections). So my truck’s capability far exceeds anything I’ll ever need to do, I get good mileage (for a 2500) and the interior is hands down better than anything Ford or Chevy offer for the same money, and I think the exterior is the best but that’s debatable, obviously. So if I cared about towing 20,000 pounds up a mountain, I would have bought a Cummins. Which is bar none the best diesel engine on the market today hence why 90% of privatized transport companies use Ram 3500 Cummins. But yeah, maybe next year Ford will increase the 7.3’s towing capacity by 100 pounds making them the leader in that segment and then you’ll have all the reason in the world to buy one! Good luck mate!
6.4 hemi👎🏻
Any issues with the Ram over that 240k miles? Looking at trading my Wrangler in for a pickup, F150 and Ram top choices.
@@LPMojoGL I mean yeah, any gas engine with that many miles is going to show it’s age. The truck still fires up and runs good but I can tell it’s losing compression so the top end probably needs a rebuild which is something I won’t be doing to it hence my new truck. Besides that a couple minor things, but all in all it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Ram has a 33 gallon fuel tank option and a 3.92 rear end option. Just to help out Andre.
thank you! I was fixing to type the same comment.
My 2021 Ram has the 3.92 diff and is rated to tow 11,000. Wished Ram had sent one of those. Makes me wonder why they didn't send a 3.92 :(
Glad to see Mr. Truck back! Andre and Mr.T act like an old married couple and I love it
All I can think of with that intro is
"WELCOME TO OFF THE RANCH!!"
Andre, any chance of you running your truck with the same load? I'd like to see if there's much of a difference in MPG in a proper truck without 1000 lbs of vibrating seats, LOL.
Curious of interior noise levels between the xl and platinum as well...
Yes! I would be curious to see the results as well.
@@HerrPoopschitz truck is supposed to be noise.
Happy wife happy life. My wife loves the comfort of the Platinum package. We spend so much time on the road, travel comfort warrants serious consideration…specially for us older folks.
Run the 2021 coyote engine in the Ford with a similar rear end ratio as the Ram to make for a better comparison. That would be more interesting to see.
Exactly
Can you get the coyote in a hybrid of any type? Isn’t this sort of a mild hybrid comparison?
Don't see the comparison as both of these are hybrid and the coyote is not. What am I missing here?
@@joe1071 Ram is not a full Hybrid like the Ford. The 5.7 with etorque is just a regular 5.7 with a belt assist small electric drive that only works for the first one or two wheel revolutions from a dig. There is no RAM Hybrid to compare to the Ford currently.
@@moparmuscle278 I understand they are not the same type of hybrid, however the ram is more of a hybrid that the coyote
For about a year I towed 10-14k lbs roofing dump trailers with my 17 2.7 eco F150. That was in 2018, i still have the truck today and its just fine at 128k miles now. The ecoboost's are amazing engines.
Turbos are overdue to fail! Ask me how I know!?😂Ford mechanics tell you go with the 5.0!
@@donnysmith7162 Lol, one of them actually started leaking/smoking so I traded it in not too long after I made that comment.
I just drove the Ike Gauntlet and the camera doesn’t do it justice. Crazy steep going up and back down.
traded in my 22 chevy LT 2.7 with new digital dash and bought a 22 ram big horn 1500 hemi etorgue. The half ton world is intense. I am seeing the v8's gets better fuel economy towing heavy but the turbo engines have more power. The problem when picking a 1/2ton truck is the massive section of options. Personally we like the Ram over the Chevy. Just the little things makes a difference. The wife and i instantly noticed how we liked the Ram better. I was surprised how fast we picked up on the differences
So I’m a ford guy currently running a 3.5 eco boost the engine is incredible for power but under a load tends to get thirsty , however has power to spare. I would buy the ford any ways.
Loved it. I'd really love to see this again with all 3 trucks and their 3.0L Diesels
Haven't they done it jet? Either way, Duramax is king
The 3L Duramax would murder the other two .
@@carltongray3302 oh probably lol, but I want to see how bad
No point in testing Ford's now it's been discontinued. Apparently the ECOBOOST engines are so efficient that people just are buying them instead of the diesel lol.
That 3.5 under boost is the equivalent of a 7L V8.... so not a mystery, especially to anyone who owns one.
A weak 7.0L
@@samsonreynolds3728 A weak 7L? It has 470ft-lbs without the electric motor, and 510 in the Raptor. Ford 7.3 godzilla is 475 ft lbs.C6 Z06 LS7 has 470 ft lbs, LS7 is not a weak engine lol, nor is the ecoboost.
@@DoctorMotorcycle Yeah, and it has needs two turbos to make that power. Take that away and it’s a tacoma. Add the turbos to a V8 and find out what happens.
@@everythingpnw and you think that's a good argument why?
@@DoctorMotorcycle 430 HP/570 lb-ft TQ for the Powerboost.
As others have mentioned, love the test Andre and Kent. The rear end ratio may have played into this, yet if I may describe RAM as the underdog, I'm happy for them - I like the idea of e-torque more than I do with more expensive and complicated systems of hybrid + turbos. RAM have come a long way in the past few years and I even had two in the past twenty and they never had issues and the ride was comfortable and the interior & styling was very nice.
Good review I personally bought the 2021 ram 1500 bighorn and was amazed at what it's capable of and that hemi eTorque was worth the extra money to keep that V8 sound -now that's American. But honestly there will always be some rivalry among Ram-Ford and Chevy buy what you need and like it's your money.
Why do folks argue about vehicle brands but they don't argue about potato chip brands, under armour vs nike, verizon vs at & t? But you talk about vehicles and folks get wound up. Why?
Great video and proves that the Ram Hemi is tried and true.
Tried and true because it made one trip up a hill? Thats all it takes to impress you ram drivers?
Had the Ram, lost the engine at 47,000 miles...got the Ford, 300K miles later still running. Would not get the Ram again, no matter the numbers. I like money in my wallet not in the service bay at Ram.
@@aday1637 cool story
@@bryan70546 Typical story*
@@ec3886 not really I've own many rams and never had issues now the fords I've had were a different story
Sweet job on doing the calculation for the mpg. Keep improving and Keep it up TFL!
Those oil temps are exactly why you should run full synthetic oils in these engines and really any modern engines. They run much hotter than the older engines.
That is a very good point. Also change the oil more often especially if you have a turbocharger or supercharger.
@@LA_Commander I would be constantly checking the oil and changing it quite often if my oil was running at 275°F. That's extremely hot. The interesting thing was that the coolant temperature didn't rise much. Makes me think it needs another separate oil cooler or better flow of coolant through the entire engine to transfer more heat to that fluid.
I'm thinking about getting another ram 1500 but I want the 3.92 rear end with the etorque and 5.7 hemi. With air suspension. Would this be a good configuration for towing 10,000km a year then daily driving also
Just towed my 67 mustang from Virginia to detroit with a 3100 lbs trailer so I was right around 6300 lbs and my 15 3.5 ecoboost got 14.5 mpg. Love that little engine.
Certainly helps it was a aerodynamic load too.
Thats really great. I get 8 to 10 mpg hauling a polaris RZR at 70mpg with a 2700lb trailer. Rzr is around 2k.
@@mattromain7177 I never went over 65 mph. That helped alot
Cant wait for the 150Lightning test :)
It will suck at towing just like the Tesla especially this test
@@berowawa3907 just curious to see what it can do
Def interesting to see what it can do. If anyone can push towing boundaries, it’s defiantly Ford.
It will hit seven minutes and thirty seconds and the battery will die. ☠️
It's going to do very well. Yes it will use a lot of battery but Ford knows that. That is why they claim 300 mile range conservatively. That's towing range. Without towing it'll be closer to 450+
Twin turbos under boosting under load are thirsty. +100hp -2mpg.
I'll have the ford and probably live to regret the service interval.
$70 k for a half ton truck = WTF
For the high trims that normal . Tahoes and Expeditions are in that price range to
Yah prices are getting pretty stupid high.
First of all I love you guys. I watch your channel because it does help me better understand the trucks and their capabilities before I buy. Now with all that said it's time for your show to start setting up these trucks with the same off road tires with like speaks so we can see who is best on road, mud, sand, rocks, gas mileage, tow and snow. I believe the only changes you would need to make are tires, close gearing and ride height. If you put ten to fifteen videos together showing these trucks in sand, mud, road, towing, rocks, milage and snow views like myself will be glued to your videos and most likely they will become most viewed... Thanks for reading and good luck guys... The Banks Family
I thought I was watching off the ranch there for a second.
Both of these trucks are pretty awesome, i would be happy with either one.
I've driven identical RAM 1500s back to back, 3.21 vs 3.92 rear end. The 3.92 transformed the truck. Even my grandkids immediately proclaimed the 3.92 geared truck the best and fastest. It was just peppier at all speeds and even part throttle. If you don't mind giving up a little mpg the get the 3.92, you're definitely going to feel the difference. There's a reason all the drag racers use lower gearing. With the overdriven ratios the great shifting 8 speed
Torque Flight it is a joy to drive. Make sure you get a limited slip differential as well. If I were buying a used Truck the first thing I'd do is put a set of gears with either a limited slip differential or a Torsen. Having a closed differential is very important for handling, especially with an empty pick-up. It will keep your inside wheel from spinning in wet weather.
Yes you nailed it
Really missed the Ike Gauntlet series. Andre looked crushed at the results 🤣🤣. I recently sold my Ram 1500 Limited for a 2500 due to that rear end ratio and payload. Put bigger tires on the truck and it gets much worse. The Fords are impressive and the interiors are starting to come along nicely. Love the competition!!
I was taught to never top off the fuel tank the way you guys always do. I'm a mechanic with the Canadian Armed Forces for context. Topping off your gas tank can cause pressure to build in the tank and flood the carbon filter vapor collection system, only meant for vapor. Subsequently, this overflow can affect your car's performance and could possibly damage the engine. I just don't see the point in taking the risk for a few extra ml of fuel for testing purposes. My opinion. I'm sure someone here will tear me apart in the comments. Love the content. Keep up the good work.
You are correct. I think that this is how these guys make sure that both tanks are topped off to the same levels, however, no one in their right mind checks gas mileage over a 20 to 30 mile course. The best way to check gas mileage is full tank driven down to about maybe a 1/4 tank, and repeated a number of times, and fuel tallied up over time. Checking fuel mileage over a 30 mile course, even if it's the steepest grade, is downright silly.
I've only seen one worse way to check mileage; a guy from NYC who drove a big V8 sedan back in the day. He'd put an empty 1 gallon gas can in the trunk, drive around his beast until it ran out of gas. Then he'd pull out the empty can, walk to the nearest gas station, fill it up with exactly 1 gallon of gas, walk back to his vehicle, put the gas in, note the mileage, drive around again till it ran out, note the mileage, get his gas mileage figured out.. Then he would walk back to the gas station again with the empty 1 gallon can, fill it, walk back, put it in the car, then drive to the gas station, and then fill it up. The wonders of a public education system, I guess.. Yes, this guy actually exists..
@@MrPir84free I'm honestly astonished at that, especially the fact it was done multiple times.
Having driven both trucks, I know how the Ram tows after taking a trip out west pulling a 16 x 8.5 trailer loaded with luggage for 4 and a Polaris Slingshot. The high rpm attained while going through mountain passes alarmed me, but after your test, this is normal except for the Ford. I drove the same Ford without trailer and wondered how it would tow. Obviously it got better gas mileage unloaded and your test tells me I made the right choice. Being a Mopar guy, I don't think I would have bought a Ford anyway, but your test makes me feel ,better. Besides, no one ever asked a Chevy or Ford drive, "That thing got a hemi"?
You tow at 275 degree F engine oil temp with your RAM often? I hope they didn't damage the engine in this test in very cool outside weather!
I could care less about the fuel economy while towing. I want a stable, powerful and well poised truck. Which is why I personally chose the F-150. The powerboost is great when unloaded and I’m getting every bit of 24 mpg at 70. Used the pro power onboard quite a few times to power the trailer with ac an equipment on. I’ve been very impressed.
Until that 10 speed and battery takes a sh*t
@@derekfoxjr2499 because dodges 8 speed or battery wouldn’t lol Ford looked way more stable and I’m a ram guy
@@Floreypottery every new truck released is a hit or miss these days.
I get 24 MPG on my Ram Hemi! Just admit, the Ram has come a long way!
The dodge is a true bad ass rig
That 3.5 is such a perfect engine! When I upgrade from my 2020 ranger I'm getting f150 with 3.5
👎🤣
You must have a broad definition for perfect. Not claiming the 5.7 is any better but there is no such thing as a perfect engine!
@@illusiveeagle3312 well let me day it's a great engine because it's powerful and great for towing f150s are really fast and when you tow you don't feel nothing behind you with the 3.5! It's just the best gas engine in a half ton
I would like to see the comparison using the 3:92 axle ratio on the Ram. That would be the Rams best towing configuration.
I just picked up a 2021 Powerboost F150 - Andre you are a reason why!! Great video with very fair commentary. Oh, and I traded my 2020 F250 Godzilla V8 for the new ride (I drive A LOT and trade often - 47K miles last year) The F250 gave me NO troubles, ever! Keep up the great work.
You should note the RAM recommends 89 octane the the ford needs premium and also calculate the cost different per mile.
Andre, you should look at the video at 6:35. You chains were loose on small bumps. One of these days that will catch up to you in a bad way. Voice of experience speaking here.
Sharp
I don't get it. Aren't they supposed to criss-cross like that to make a cradle?
@@willieguapo I was talking about the tie down chains for his load. They loosened up on every bump. I learned to check and re-tighten them. Almost lost a car many years ago that I hauled across country because chains loosened.
@@duggydo Gotcha 👍
He was on the axle so it must have been tire pressure that was to low or chains not tight enough.
A 3.21 rear end compared to a 3.73 rear end. There will be some MPG difference.
Probably only 0.5-1.0 mpg difference
Shouldn't be with a 10speed auto.
With all those gears it shouldn't have any effect.
The gear ratio affects the RPM. Only the RPM matters.
Rear end gears always matter.
I love the Ram!! 😍👌 Don't know why everyone keeps calling it a "mild hybrid" system. It's a launch assist.
That's exactly what a mild hybrid is...
@@Prestiged_peck then why not call what it "really" is? If it's only used to help the truck off the line, calling it a mild hybrid doesn't make sense. Just my 2 cents. 🤷♂️
@@iceman45ification1 it does more than that though, they can also replace the starter and alternator both, and they can add just a small amount of extra oomph at any speed, they're just most useful as a launch aid
I do like their mild hybrid setup, it's minimal but slick. What's really great is if you have to deal with a lot of stop and go traffic, it makes the auto stop/start seamless.
@@zephxiii I agree. I remember a while back, (and I'm not sure if it ever happened) UPS was going to use a launch assist system like this in all their delivery trucks, only it was going to be a hydraulic setup using pressurized nitrogen. Never heard anything else about it. This seems way more effective.
You can have eco, or you can have boost. You can’t have both. Power produced is energy consumed. The “old” pushrod Hemi got significantly better MPG towing than the Igizmo Ford.
Finally Ike Gauntlet, love it!!
RAM rules the IKE
But is slower/longer to accelerate, less confident with weight, squats more, and lower max towing.
@@JC71444 RAM is awesome! It is without a doubt the best truck in the world today....
@@leedanielson7452 😂😂😂
Ummm. Did you actually watch the video? Ford was better except for mpg. Rams are better suited for grocery getting.
@@marcharris4176 Fords are better suited for suckers who like to overpay for their trucks because they don’t know any better...
So the Ford saves fuel under most conditions and the Ram saves money when you have a giant load behind you. So how often do you haul matters.
This comparison wasn't, they towed the Ram's max rating vs. about 4k shy of the Ford's. The 3.5 EB can be ordered with a 3:21 rear end and it'll have aa lower max tow rating. In all honesty this comparison wasn't really a comparison at all.
But the ram brwaks down alot
@@hurricane8634 ram 1500 was is rated number 1 for reliability for full size pickups. Ford F-150 is 7th. Average annual repair costs for ram is $691 whereas Ford is $788
Not sure how you guys can be surprised by this. The Ecoboost is always the lower MPG when towing. And when towing a decent load the hybrid won’t be used at all. But the easy towing up the mountain is why I get the Ecoboost when I get new pickups. I do mountain towing a few times every year. You could run up that climb at 90 mph if you wanted too.
It's a 392 rear axle ratio option on the Ram ANDREA not 391. And it gives you a huge amount more of towing cap. Also your in a long horn which means it has 4 corner true air ride suspension which is intended for comfort not max towing or payload. Next time get the 392 rear with a none air ride suspension truck like a Laramie or something or even a bighorn and do the test.
I'd be curious to see a comparison using the adaptive cruise control.
Definitely like the ram tailgate the best but the 7.2 power station in the Ford is
what I would go for.
They just need to adapt the breaking to dynamic braking like trains have
for slowing the trucks down, although looking at your results there might
be some of that happening with the Ford because fuel consumption goes up
when dynamic breaking occurs.
Turbo, gas engines only produce high MPG, under very light loads, simply because the displacement is smaller, than an NA engine with comparable power. BUT under heavy load the turbo engine has to go full rich, to protect the engine from detonation, because of the much higher pressures in the combustion chamber, compared to NA.
So really, these turbo gas trucks having better mpg is just a shell game, and as long as you never use the truck for truck stuff, you might get better MPG's.
FORD 🚚 all day every day 💯 & thanx for the video guys
Your welcome
That watch Mr. Truck was wearing added a few pounds to the GCWR lol. Another great video by Mr. Truck and Andre. Very surprised on those results. Keep up the great work guys.
Great video guys and yes you can see what gear you’re in on the Ram. You just have to turn it on in the screen settings.
Nice comparison. 5.7 peak power is right where you had it most of the time around that 4-4500 mark as for the 3.5 eco boost peak torque is around 2500-3000 rpms if I remember.
I would like to see the Ford and RAM battle it out on the mpg towing loop for a more realistic towing scenario. With this being an absolute extreme, Id sacrifice 2 mpg for such a short duration and have the confidence of the Ford's power.
I'd like to see that too, to determine whether this Hybrid is actually usefull or just a marketing bluff. But I'd never sacrifice longevity over turbocharging anyway - especially in an utility vehicle.
And having similar mpg IRL makes it a no brainer to me. So definitely not the pricey, complicated Hybrid that, despite all efforts, actually sucks more gas when driven hard...
@@alfisti93 Hybrids do not do much for towing. It's meant to save fuel in city driving stop/go traffic at lower speeds ((Since the Hybrid Motor can keep the vehicle in motions and help to lurch it forward when starting from a stop)).
If you were expecting the Hybrid to help you in towing... you're kind of an idiot. There's a reason Ford is marketing it as "Powerboost" and not "super eco". The hybrid will help to provide a bit of extra oomph, but nothing for fuel savings for towing. It's just not what hybrids are designed for...
If the hybrid battery was fully charged when you started down the mountain, there was not enough capacity (empty room in the battery) for the regenerative braking to be more aggressive and reduce your brake applications. The energy created by the regen braking has to go somewhere.
RAM sends the extra juice to the radiator fans... So you still get "Regen" even if your battery is full....
Turbos burn a lot of fuel when you push he motor. They do increase efficiency but not when there is a load. The rear axle ratio on the Ram also helped. I would still buy the Ford because like most people, I don’t tow often and the mpg on the Ford is better when you aren’t towing. Also, the Ford has more power and a significantly higher payload capacity which means less wear and tear on the power train and drivetrain.
Love Andres ‘s acting skills when found Mr. Truck sleeping 🤣
Why the F150 EB owners laugh this off? we know what they mean when they say "the F150 went up the mountain effortlessly, couldn't even tell there was a trailer on the back"....
Kinda funny to me that most truck guys berated the EB when it first came out for being too "weak" to do a V8s job. Now that the EB motors are better in terms of power in every way, they finally care about fuel economy. The EB engines are the future. Soon every manufacturer will follow suit and offer high power V6s instead of V8s.
Except for Dodge. Without their V8 motor they stuff in everything no one would buy that garbage.
@@spacebound1969 the future is electric
@@jabroni6199 Only if they keep making the huge open pit mines to get the minerals, if the countries crack down on the monster size open pits there will be a shortage of minerals for the batteries.
@@spacebound1969 Well at least they will have their maxxed out V8s to tow around that goal post they keep moving lol.
@@spacebound1969 small engines with a lot of pressure from the turbos is not an ideal mix and wear out over time.
I think the results may be closer if two similar rear axle ratios were used? Both great trucks for sure......both really competent.Maybe a test involving no towing to compare fuel mileage?
Well the ford use less two cylinder and Hybrid it should have done better and two more gear
The 10 speed should have fixed the difference
liberty because most truck owners today dont carry anything other than family members
Would love to see a toe-to-toe comparison of these two pickups in your flat-land interstate highway fuel economy loop.
The PowerBoost will still probably lose. I was towing 6500 pounds on flat with my Ecoboost and I got 10 mpg at 75 mpg.
@@bobdennis4801 the ecoboost really isn't that great for towing. It has good torque but the gas mileage sucks at it. Honestly the 5.0 is probably a better towing engine. My mom has a 2018 F150 with a 2.7 and a 3.55 rear end. When we take a 1700 mile trip just towing a couple hundred pounds of weight in the bed and a trailer with a honda atv on it. We usually get 14.6 mpg max. Ford needs to quit their bullcrap with these ecoboost engines and go a different root.
@@caryhuffii7224 the Ecoboost is actually the best towing engine out there right now if you don’t care about fuel mileage. Empty I get 20 running the same area I get 10 towing. But it does with so much ease I don’t care about the fuel mileage. Just set my cruise and go. And I tie in the mountains so it’s so much better than NA motors when towing at elevation.
@@caryhuffii7224 And how often is your moms truck towing vs not towing? How is the MPG's not towing. I bet they are a lot better than a 5.0.
@@Jay-me7gw in the city around 15-16 Mpg. On the Hwy it might get around 21 mpg unloaded. My dad has a 2010 f150 with the 5.4 and 3.73 gearing and it gets about 15-17 on the Hwy. When towing the gas mileage never really goes down at all with the same load. She doesn't tow that often with her truck (at least every 2 months or so).
Our neighbors we had had a 2012 f150 with the 3.5 that they used for towing all the time was always having constant issues.
My point is a small v6 shouldn't really be used to tow big loads more than a few miles. It will just wear the engines out. I think if Ford put more money towards a reliable motor they would be in a better position. The 5.0 is a very long lasting motor vs a 3.5 or a 2.7.
I used to be a Ford man, but I love my 2020 Ram. BTW, my Quad cab Bighorn 1500 has the 3.73 axle, and no hybrid system. It has more payload than this test truck. Pleased to see the Ram won the contest. I enjoy your Ike Gauntlet tests. Keep them Coming.
How's it holding up?
Bigger engines will pretty much always be more fuel-efficient when towing than smaller ones in gas variants!
Kinda common sense I guess... the load being put on the engine is distributed over more cylinders in order to accomplish the work.... So less fuel is needed because there are more “ helpers “...
@@T410ce
Wait...what??
Then why does the I6 Cummins always get better economy than the more helpers in the V8's??
There really is no explanation for the EB's lower MPG since not only is it working less due to more power PLUS it was turning less RPM EXCEPT for the possibility that Ford runs a rich(read safe) tune under load....it was a relatively short test and the steep climb was a factor. Be interesting to see a longer test with varied loads.
I would love to see a truck tested with different gear ratios. Try and get two mostly identical trucks but one with the 3.21 and one with the 3.91 rear end for example. See the economy difference towing and unloaded. Plus how the driving characteristics change.
With the 8 and 10 speed transmissions it won't matter much at all, the computer will select the proper gear for each, end result will be about the same. Only thing that will be noticed is the initial acceleration. Compare a 6 speed to the 10 speed and then you will see a difference. 3.55 with the 10 speed has a lower 1st ratio than the 3.73 with the 6 speed. It will be faster off the line due to final drive ratio. Look up the ratio comparison charts Ford 6 speed vs 10 speed and Ram 6 vs 8. These new transmission make final ratios moot.
@@acdii
Somebody that actually understands that there's a transmission in the equation....thank you!!
All the dummies crying about not running the 3.92 must not have watched the video.....the ram was already running a higher RPM than the higher numerically geared ford to pull the hill, obviously in a lower transmission gear....(the Ford was in 7th @ 1:1.)
All the the 3.92's would have done is allow a higher trans gear while under way.....rpms would have been the same.
Like you wrote,, It would probably have allowed quicker off the line acceleration, but since both trucks hit the max speed limit and had near identical overall times, the 3.92's would have made zero difference.
Incredible the difference in payload between 1/2 ton trucks. The door sticker on my 2018 F150 Lariat says 1815lbs compared to this Ram's 1010lbs. That's a HUGE difference. 805 lbs, or 79% more than the Ram!
i wonder how much ford adds to there numbers
Ford can't touch that RAM for best ride or anything else if you do not tow on a regular basis.
I have a RAM/HEMI and have put a few basic mods on it -- added increases in H.P. and Torq. I also add some "Lucas" octane boost to the 91 octane gas; these few things make a noticeable difference.
Chains or straps in and x pattern is not a good way to tie a vehicle down. one comes loose they all come loose
Good to see Mr. Truck back at it.
Under load the turbo engines require a much richer air to fuel mixture. City or highway driving is where the EB shines. Under load you cant beat the MPG you get with "city" driving on an EB.
Yeah! The Ram finally won a mpg contest! But the Ford out powered it by a bunch. The hybrid eco boost is a beast! For the price, in this case, I think the Ford is the better choice. The fact that the turbo v6 gulped more gas than the bigger non turbo v8 is no surprise. Historically, a smaller turbocharged engine often drinks more gas than a bigger non turbocharged engine pulling the same load. The Ford was turning consistently 1500 to 2000 rpm less than the Ram going up the hill. (2600 to 3100 vs 4400 to 4600), so the Ford was producing significantly more torque than the Ram thus producing more power at the same speed. Both trucks were using the same grade and quality gas, so the same total energy per gallon was available from the fuel. The total combined gross weights were within a couple hundred pounds of each other. The slightly heavier Ford would require slightly more fuel energy to go the same distance all things being equal. But they aren’t. The Ford easily out powered the Ram. But that power comes at a cost. And that cost is more fuel burned. Since the the amount of work produced (hp) to climb the hill was basically the same for both trucks, because they had the same ascent times up the mountain, and hp (distance the weight moved over time) is a function of torque and rpm, the Ford used a whole lot more torque to cover the same distance than the Ram did. Thus, used more fuel to produce that torque. For example. Let’s assume (this is a guess, I don’t know for sure, let’s say 350 hp is required to pull those trucks up the hill at 60 mph) both the Ram and Ford are using a continuous 350 hp to climb the hill. At 4400 rpm, the Ram needs to produce 418 continuous pounds of torque to generate the 350 hp. The Ford on the other hand, turning 2900 rpm needs to produce 633 continuous pounds of torque to produce that same 350 hp. That is why the eco boost is such a beast! And is using more fuel.
The Ford is a hybrid and used more fuel. Both trucks were able to tow the vehicle up and down the hill fine except the Ford could tow a heavier load (and get even worse mpg). If the gear radio was changed so they had the same gearing it would give more accurate results. I wonder what's more stress on the engine, 2k RPMs or a turbo....
The Ford's RPM going uphill was shocking to me! When a Truck hassle less, that helps overall comfort and tiredness!
With the turbos, all that torque kicks in at low rpm and that keeps the rpm lower. Looked like the ford was around 3k uphill and the ram was around 4.5k uphill.
We rarely need to rev our PowerBoost above 2500rpm. The boost comes on so quickly that you’ll get all the power you need from 1500-2500rpm. It makes gobs of power.
It's like a Diesel without the noise.
@@acdii like a diesel without the noise, and without the durability... I know it's unfair comparing a gasser to a diesel when it comes to durability and longevity, but it's the truth.
@@acdii like a diesel without the noise, and without the durability... I know it's unfair comparing a gasser to a diesel when it comes to durability and longevity, but it's the truth.
Noticed oil temp read 275°F! Geez! This thing probably came with 0W-20 in it....
No way I’d be comfortable putting the engine under that kind of load with 0W-20 oil.
I’d want at least a 10W-30, or maybe even a Euro oil with 3.5 HTHS.
275 is hot hot hot, Ram does send the truck with 0W-20.
@@CM-cw8fe Doing that frequently with 0W-20 is a recipe for oxidation of that oil, and the resulting piston deposits, sludging, oil usage, and parts failures.
Those 2 Engines Are The Beast & They Are My Favorites Along With The 6.2L Big Boy V8 With The 10 Speed Automatic Transmission From Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Which I Loved The Most & Those 3 Engines Can Tow Between 6700 LBS & 9600 LBS Going Up The Hill.
You can open your bottles of milk? Now that’s Mr. Truck in a nutshell! Love him. Great vid men. 🤘🏻☘️
Thanks