73gr ELDM with 23.9 of TAC and 25.2 of AA2520 shot great in my 16 inch spr barrel. The AA2520 load shot a .39 inch 5 shot group and generally groups under .5. Lake city brass CCI 41 primers for each one. Love the channel.
Lot of blowback gas i see, you should proceed to limit the amount of gas and keeping the bolt close for longer period of time to let the progessives powder burn adequately, what buffer/spring are you using?
So I have found this factory load to shoot a1/2" at 100 with my AR stoner 1-8 20" barrel so today because of your great videos I loaded my first 223 loads ever 22 grains of xbr to 2. 250 oal but I use CCI 450 primers and shot half inch group at a hundred yards 6 rounds extremely happy thanks for your great information!
This bullet with Varget gave me the best groups I’ve ever had from my 18” Lothar Walther upper. They also perform great with 23.5g of H4895. I picked up additional velocity and better SD compared to Varget and nearly just as accurate. With a better BC and much lower cost than the 77 SMK, they’re my new go-to bullet.
i skipped ahead to the shooting, i recently loaded these and hornady book says col 2.390 which does NOT fit the mag, is this why you went so short on your loads?
I've watched a lot of your videos. I've been interested in your 300 Blackout and I'm now looking for information on Valkyrie 224. I personally really appreciate all the time and money you put into your videos. Ammo costs money, and you've got hours and hours of prep work along with the loading. Great job in my opinion. One of my thoughts has been, "After you've does such a great job of showing one round, or one specific load performs well, with the smallest group in your test, what happens if you load up another 5 or 10 of that same load, and see if it repeats the performance of the first test??" Are we sure, these groups don't just represent your varying skills on each group. You are a much better shot than me, so I'm just curious, does the test produce repeatable results for YOU! You also have proven to me.... an 8-inch barrel is amazingly accurate. I't like to see your comparison target with your best performing load for 16-inch barrel 300 blackout gun, and your best load for 8-inch barrel 300 AAC gun. You produce some amazingly small 100 yard groups with an 8 inch barrel. Good shooting for sure. Keep up the hard work.... I love it.
I'm new to this reloading hobby I have a question? so the 2.250 is the overall stander spec from Hornady in regardless of your bullet grain weight or is just for the 73 gr EDL.
Disclaimer: This advice is probably more geared toward larger size magnum type powders. I have not tried it myself, but I hear putting a sonic type toothbrush (with a head you don't use anymore) against a powder filled case can help settle the powder down, so you can get a little less crunchiness when seating. Not sure how much it would help with the smaller sized grains of these types of powder though.
WOW, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't realize! Apparently they do wholesale distribution for brick and mortar stores in that region, and they don't do internet sales there so there's no competition with their wholesale customers. So, I guess your local gun stores might use Natchez as a supplier, and Natchez doesn't want to directly compete with them. Really sorry about that!
What if you measured the case volume of 22.4grns of 8208xbr in the starline brass and then used different powder with similar burn rates to dial in and see if case volume is a substantial variable? The SD was amazing on that load. Thank you for all your work.
Hey Johnny so I just got the magneto v3 and I shot some eld 73g cfe powder got good groups but the magnetospeed was all over the place I think I saw a 6700 which obviously isn't accurate what sensitivity do you use?
I currently use a Redding small base die and bump the shoulder about 3 thousandths (measured with a Hornady case comparator). My small base setup works well, but I don't really see too many people complaining about AR function problems with standard size 223 dies.
Hey Johnny, I had the same issue with the Hornady 73 and 75 grain ELD bullets. I have Hornady dies and by buying the ELD seater it worked great with the 73 gr. bullets but not the 75 gr. I had 500 of the 75 gr.eld and wanted to use in my LR AR magazines, because they shot great. I used the standard seater plug and carefully put JB weld in the seater, and very carefully took a 75 gr, coated with release agent and set it aligned parallel in the cavity. Once cured remove the 75 grainer and clean the seater, and it works great.
I have the same white oak armament barrel on my ar. I live by grandisland ne. I bought some 73 gr eld match from the factory. "Regects". They are super cheap! I just loaded up 30 rounds with Hodgdon Bl-C (2). From 24gr to 25gr. I wish I had a chronograph. But I'm going to go group them tomorrow and see what I can come up with. Great video sir.
@@thomasmurray1992 - Same here. Tested CFE223 using match bullets from 52 to 77 grains with BR rifle, standard, magnum primers shot from match grade AR-15s with 1-12 to 1-6.5 twist heavy barrel. Best 5 shot groups at 100 yard was 0.85 inches. Most were between 1.35 to 2 inches.
DCL 308 when hand reloading 75gr ELD match bullets, the case and bullet looked flushed after crimping. I used Dillon crimping die but can’t get the case to be flush with the bullet.
831sabino seating the 75gr ELD to fit an AR mag will be seating too far...and look exactly as you describe. 73gr is the heaviest ELD that can be loaded at that length
@@j.rob.5943 how about other brands’ heavy bullets, like the Nosler RDF 85gr? I’m having a horrible time getting that to not group like a shotgun spread...
man I miss your 5.56 stuff I never could get the 77 otmtac bergers to shoot I'm building a new spr maybe it'll shoot them. Seems like the perfect bullet for my line of work
Great video good groups im shooting the 80 gr eld out of a 26 inc tube bolt gun using varget i get 1/2 inch groups with almost no effort (2900 fps )ED 5-7
I have had great luck with the 73 grn led lake city brass, Winchester primers, varget 25 grns, or tac but I don't have my load data in front of me. Varget is 2754 fps 18" dpms mini sass, 5/10 to 8/10" consistently. Try it with 2000 Mr should be great.
About the same thing I experienced, the bullet it a 1.5 MOA shooter for most people. I tried thrre different powders and couldn't get it to group under an inch with well poured charges.
You should have a meet and greet in Lexington sometime. Sportsmens warehouse has a reloading 101 about once a month. I know your way past that but it would be nice to run into you and bounce some ideals back and forth
Great video Man! I have a 18" Bear Creek Arsenal 1:8 barrel on my AR. I have found that Remington 7 1/2 Bench rest primers give me the tightest groups. With Hornady 75gr BTHP and 22.5gr RL-15 and a Winchester or CCI small rifle primer 1"-1.5" at 100 yards. Same load with Remington 7 1/2 Bench Rest primers, consistent clover leaves!
Great stuff JRB! I’ve seen that Hornady offers seating dies specifically for their ELD line so that is an option. As for a powder I’d like to see tested, how about Power Pro 2000-MR? That one was kicking ass in the cloning series. Maybe I should jump on the bandwagon and try toilet paper, haven’t really had a good enough reason to until now.
Trimming to min case length would give you a little more adjustibility before the crimp engages. Also the copper shavings may be because while the neck is being crimped the bullet is still moving downward into the case, shaving a little copper from the bullet.
I know it's over max but I've got my best results from 8208 with 23.1grs but in three of my guns I've got .25" groups with primers just starting to flatten slightly
That's amazing for the 73ELD. Most people can't find the sweet spot. I haven't been able to do better than 2MOA using several powders. Are you shooting the AR?
I tested 8208 with 73s this weekend in my 18” AR. I tried, 21.8, 22.1, 22.4, 22.7 and 23. 22.1 was a cloverleaf at 50y, all holes touching. This a Daniel Defense DDM4v11. It outshot every RL15 charge I also tried that day.
I just ordered some 73 grain eld bullets yesterday. While I'm running low on AA2520, I'm half temped to try some 8208XBR instead of stocking up on old faithful after seeing you shoot those 73's with 8208XBR.
I love it when the hotter load start grouping better that is just the way it should be why is it when I watch your videos I get hungry for Carl jr. Burgers
I know this an old video, but if you have some AA2520 left I would love to see what you could do with the 73 grain ELD-M and AA2520. I'm waiting on my own 8208XBR and if I don't use all my AA2520 on my 62 grain BTHP's I might have a good comparison to make.
Hi. all this test does not make sense in my opinion. How can you measure exactly when the measuring device is connected to the barrel ??? it disturbs the whole harmony of the barrel.
Well I have my tracking number for an 8 pound jug of 8208. I have my 73 grain ELD-M bullets in hand. All I'm waiting for now is my new mount so I can put my magnitospeed on my quad rail instead of my barrel. I hope my results are as good as yours.
I'm not sure what the deal is with 8308xbr load data, but the go to load for a lot of competition shooters is 23.3 with the 75/77 grain rounds. I loaded LC brass up to 23.5 with the 73gn ELD and no issues in two different rifles but your mileage may vary. I wonder if there haven't been some hot batches so they keep the data low.
I revisited this video cause my very first loads are with this 73 gr projectile and IMR 8208XBR and I noticed you had the issue with the jacket being shaved. I am having the same issue, where as your shavings look almost like powder I am having it shave like its peeling it. I bought once fired already processed Lake City brass and even though it was processed I ran it through my RCBS small base die. I wonder if my issue is the same as you were having where the inside of the cases need to be chamfered better.
Isnt n140 a litle slow for a .223 ar? I use it for 308 service rifle loads, works good in there. afaik most that shoot .223 at my club, stick with n130 or 135.
I landed on those loads with Reloder 15 almost immediately and it's been so good, and so light recoiling, that I haven't had a lot of motivation to keep hunting for 7.62x54r loads. What bullet are you looking to shoot? I was thinking that my next series with that cartridge would be for cast bullets, but if you've got a good idea I am open to hear them!
Just a suggestion... the chronograph hanging off the end of you barrel moves a bit after every shot which changes the harmonics. Each little miniscule changes spits the bullet out different. Which can cause fliers...
H335? And also how is the 9mm lee loader video coming? I work at a welding shop and the guy that delivers steel from iowa used to have Dillion 550s but sold them and loads just with the lee loader 38 special i believe.
I’m about to try 270 I’ve never done rifle only pistol I will be shooting from a bolt action rifle do I need to crimp or will just seating the bullet be ok
I pretty much never crimp my bolt gun rounds. If the bullet has a cannelure or just playing around...go for it. But it's generally not something to worry about.
Oh My Good Lord.. another Patreon Plug... Really JRB.. I thought you were above this by now .. LOL >>> Just yankin your chain brother.. :) Great info as always.
This was a particularly long one, too! lol The video was filmed like two days before I made the other video and I thought it was a pretty amusing coincidence.
I was using a redding die but the suggestion is still great. Pretty much all of the die manufacturers offer different stems, or even custom stems for whatever you need.
It's one from the MTM Universal Powder Funnel kit. It is a much better fit than a red Lee funnel, if that's what you're using now. They aren't exactly great funnels, but at least they're affordable. amzn.to/2zB65wm
take a lee funnel and look for a fitting rubber tube or piece off writing-pen case to fit into...so i made my nice fitting and not wobbeling not spilling cheap lee funnel
are you letting your barrel cool down between strings.... it helps reduce confounds in your dataset.... especially with button rifled barrels that have poi changes when they get hot
I really would like to the hornady 73gr eld with AR-com powder if you could plz I have a ddv7pro with 1:7 twist and look for a long range stable combo. Thank you sir.
22.1gr of 8208 is a half-moa load in my AR with 73 ELDs. Unfortunately, it's pretty slow. You can go a lot faster, but it's barely sub-MOA. This is an 18" DD barrel. I'm also seeing some really good things with 8208 even with 80 ELDs. A bit over book though (more like what you're shooting in the Mk262 series) but at longer OALs than book.
Probably so! I wouldn't have believed it before I bought this WOA barrel, but seeing what a nice standard production barrel is capable of in an AR has really opened my eyes. If you wanted to get a barrel set up for a specific bullet you could probably achieve some amazing results.
I trickle into lee beam scales with a medicine spoon…been loadin 4yrs and sprinkled 15lb all through that same little bugger..I’d love to have this exact batch of components…except 210m primers or br-2s..I’m loadin 27gr varget under bulk 55gr fmj and produced several .5” groups with a 16” Doublestar upper 15yr old…
AA2520 has been my favorite powder for a while. After watching you with 8208 has me really thinking, especially since I have decided to test the 73 grain eld-m in my criterion barrel. I'm also going to test 8208 with the 62 grain bthp in my BCM barrel.
You can load 75 grain Amax or ELD to 2.29 OAL; that fits in a PRI mag. The bullet ogive is inside the case neck so the case needs to be crimped enough to remove this gap.
Varget shoots great in my WOA 18" SPR, 25.4 grains doing about 2855 fps which is smoking! Minor pressure signs though not unusual for 5.56 loadings. FGM match small rifle primer in .223 hornady cases.
Look's like IMR 8208 XBR is a pretty good powder! and you used CCI 400 primer's for a change,because you allway's use CCI 41,not saying anything just lookin..........KEEP ON ROCKIN IT JOHNNY!!!...
The pans wouldn’t have to be the same weight, just dump the powder into the second pan, with each pan zeroed for its own scale....but honestly, I would just skip the second scale entirely, the scale on the auto dispenser is just as good as the stand alone digital Scale you have, why weigh twice?
The Lyman is occasionally a tenth off and it doesn't have a trickle button, so it's just easier to throw light and trickle separately. I think I did use a .1 scale in this video, so you're probably right about the scale being just as good, but I generally use a .02 scale to get things closer than the Lyman is capable of.
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Johnny, I've got some bullets I'd like to send you to try, I've had trouble finding a good load for them over 2800 fps 62 grn bthp Hornady these are a bulk bullet around 10 cents each. Let me know if you are interested.
Johnny's Reloading Bench ok, I bought 1500 of them, really wanted them to work. I've tried 8 different powders, crimp/no crimp just got a 1lbs 8208 xbr hope to start a load development tomorrow with it.
Jeremy Cumbee I've been looking at those bullets from midsouth. I think that's a good deal. Let me know how it goes. Try CFE 223, I've heard good things about this combination
Also, I've tested 400+ rounds of 73, 75, and 80 ELDs. ALL of them have shot best at longer jumps. I can't explain it. My rifle will allow all the way up to 2.52" OAL with 75s and 80s, and yet the best groups come at more like ~2.4 (1.85" CBTO)
@@Armadilla_1 yes, many times. Well, 600, but not over 600. A warm charge of powder and a bit longer throat in the gun and it'll perform surprisingly well. Shot my first "clean" at 600 with the 80 ELDm.
@@Armadilla_1 Depends on the rifle. In the AR I developed this load for, it was a Nato chamber and ended up about 65 thousands of jump. IN the bolt rifle with a custom long throat chamber, the OAL is longer, closer to 2.52" OAL.
@@G5Hohn thanks for the reply. I ended up with a jam oal of 2.480", so I'm working up starting at .040" of jump from there (2.440" oal... 1.798" cbto). Will see what she can do.
They won't work at magazine length (2.260"). They get loaded at like 2.350"+ or something. I'm not near my manual right now to check. The 75gr Hornady BTHP Match bullet (no plastic tip) CAN be loaded to 2.260", though!
I can see the chronograph whipping with every shot that's why I'm positive it is an issue 😀 love your videos man. You and cookie gave me the confidence to start reloading. Thank you
He has already done testing both with and without the chrono and suppressor with same loads to check and see if there was degradation, and there was not any change.
I know this video is over a year old but can you try these with Varget? I use a drop tube to load 25 grains of the stuff into a winchester case, velocity is over 2800 and brass is pristine. Wondering if anybody else could get this result.
They would not need to be the same weight. Just leave each one with it's scale. Transfering the powder between the two tray's would work.. but might be a bit annoying
73gr ELDM with 23.9 of TAC and 25.2 of AA2520 shot great in my 16 inch spr barrel. The AA2520 load shot a .39 inch 5 shot group and generally groups under .5.
Lake city brass
CCI 41 primers for each one. Love the channel.
Lot of blowback gas i see, you should proceed to limit the amount of gas and keeping the bolt close for longer period of time to let the progessives powder burn adequately, what buffer/spring are you using?
So I have found this factory load to shoot a1/2" at 100 with my AR stoner 1-8 20" barrel so today because of your great videos I loaded my first 223 loads ever 22 grains of xbr to 2. 250 oal but I use CCI 450 primers and shot half inch group at a hundred yards 6 rounds extremely happy thanks for your great information!
Interesting to see your results with the 8208 XBR. Much better groups than I got with 24gr of R15 and CCI 41 primers. Keep up the great work!
Greg Richardson I tried 8208 vs RL15 this weekend, 8208 loads were about 2/3 size on average. I also use cci41s.
Fantastic, sir! Exactly the caliber and bullet that I was curious about. I really wish I could sit down and pick your brain. Great but is information.
having a 2nd pan is awesome, and yes I had to sand lightly on the heavier one but once you have two pans, you are in heaven.
This bullet with Varget gave me the best groups I’ve ever had from my 18” Lothar Walther upper. They also perform great with 23.5g of H4895. I picked up additional velocity and better SD compared to Varget and nearly just as accurate. With a better BC and much lower cost than the 77 SMK, they’re my new go-to bullet.
How do you get such consistent OAL with different length brass and the bullets having some variation in their size?
i skipped ahead to the shooting, i recently loaded these and hornady book says col 2.390 which does NOT fit the mag, is this why you went so short on your loads?
I've watched a lot of your videos. I've been interested in your 300 Blackout and I'm now looking for information on Valkyrie 224. I personally really appreciate all the time and money you put into your videos. Ammo costs money, and you've got hours and hours of prep work along with the loading. Great job in my opinion. One of my thoughts has been, "After you've does such a great job of showing one round, or one specific load performs well, with the smallest group in your test, what happens if you load up another 5 or 10 of that same load, and see if it repeats the performance of the first test??" Are we sure, these groups don't just represent your varying skills on each group. You are a much better shot than me, so I'm just curious, does the test produce repeatable results for YOU! You also have proven to me.... an 8-inch barrel is amazingly accurate. I't like to see your comparison target with your best performing load for 16-inch barrel 300 blackout gun, and your best load for 8-inch barrel 300 AAC gun. You produce some amazingly small 100 yard groups with an 8 inch barrel. Good shooting for sure. Keep up the hard work.... I love it.
I'm new to this reloading hobby I have a question? so the 2.250 is the overall stander spec from Hornady in regardless of your bullet grain weight or is just for the 73 gr EDL.
Disclaimer: This advice is probably more geared toward larger size magnum type powders.
I have not tried it myself, but I hear putting a sonic type toothbrush (with a head you don't use anymore) against a powder filled case can help settle the powder down, so you can get a little less crunchiness when seating. Not sure how much it would help with the smaller sized grains of these types of powder though.
Hey I tried to order some of these bullets from Natchez but as a resident of Georgia they will not sell to TN, GA, and AL. What's up with that ??
WOW, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't realize! Apparently they do wholesale distribution for brick and mortar stores in that region, and they don't do internet sales there so there's no competition with their wholesale customers. So, I guess your local gun stores might use Natchez as a supplier, and Natchez doesn't want to directly compete with them. Really sorry about that!
What if you measured the case volume of 22.4grns of 8208xbr in the starline brass and then used different powder with similar burn rates to dial in and see if case volume is a substantial variable? The SD was amazing on that load. Thank you for all your work.
Hey Johnny so I just got the magneto v3 and I shot some eld 73g cfe powder got good groups but the magnetospeed was all over the place I think I saw a 6700 which obviously isn't accurate what sensitivity do you use?
do you think the magneto speed hanging off the the end of barrel effects the accuracy?
JRB IMR-8208 shines again, 22.8 Gr's followed by 22.0 Gr's put these are two for the book's, these are keepers
Hey Johnny, just curious if you use a small base die or just a full length for your .223 work.
I currently use a Redding small base die and bump the shoulder about 3 thousandths (measured with a Hornady case comparator). My small base setup works well, but I don't really see too many people complaining about AR function problems with standard size 223 dies.
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Hey Johnny, I had the same issue with the Hornady 73 and 75 grain ELD bullets. I have Hornady dies and by buying the ELD seater it worked great with the 73 gr. bullets but not the 75 gr. I had 500 of the 75 gr.eld and wanted to use in my LR AR magazines, because they shot great. I used the standard seater plug and carefully put JB weld in the seater, and very carefully took a 75 gr, coated with release agent and set it aligned parallel in the cavity. Once cured remove the 75 grainer and clean the seater, and it works great.
I have the same white oak armament barrel on my ar. I live by grandisland ne. I bought some 73 gr eld match from the factory. "Regects". They are super cheap! I just loaded up 30 rounds with Hodgdon Bl-C (2). From 24gr to 25gr. I wish I had a chronograph. But I'm going to go group them tomorrow and see what I can come up with. Great video sir.
Can't afford much right now but I'll be sure to try out the the JRB approved toilet paper!
any chance for 80gr ELDM, out of a bolt 223?
I’d like to see CFE223. 73gr looks like it could be a great dual purpose target/predator bullet.
dk17hmr I tried cfe223 and no signs of a tight group. Looked like n140 groups
@@thomasmurray1992 - Same here. Tested CFE223 using match bullets from 52 to 77 grains with BR rifle, standard, magnum primers shot from match grade AR-15s with 1-12 to 1-6.5 twist heavy barrel. Best 5 shot groups at 100 yard was 0.85 inches. Most were between 1.35 to 2 inches.
DCL 308 when hand reloading 75gr ELD match bullets, the case and bullet looked flushed after crimping. I used Dillon crimping die but can’t get the case to be flush with the bullet.
831sabino seating the 75gr ELD to fit an AR mag will be seating too far...and look exactly as you describe. 73gr is the heaviest ELD that can be loaded at that length
@@j.rob.5943 how about other brands’ heavy bullets, like the Nosler RDF 85gr? I’m having a horrible time getting that to not group like a shotgun spread...
I appreciated watching the process, issues as well as successes. Thanks for the great video.
man I miss your 5.56 stuff I never could get the 77 otmtac bergers to shoot I'm building a new spr maybe it'll shoot them. Seems like the perfect bullet for my line of work
Great video good groups im shooting the 80 gr eld out of a 26 inc tube bolt gun using varget i get 1/2 inch groups with almost no effort (2900 fps )ED 5-7
I’ve been reloading 75 grain at 2.260 with Winchester 748 at 22grains . I love it. Smashes the primer a bit but nothing too bad
I have had great luck with the 73 grn led lake city brass, Winchester primers, varget 25 grns, or tac but I don't have my load data in front of me. Varget is 2754 fps 18" dpms mini sass, 5/10 to 8/10" consistently. Try it with 2000 Mr should be great.
Hey can you measure the OAL of this bullet and maybe future bullets? I think that would be helpful information for reloaders.
I can start including that info.
About the same thing I experienced, the bullet it a 1.5 MOA shooter for most people. I tried thrre different powders and couldn't get it to group under an inch with well poured charges.
You should have a meet and greet in Lexington sometime. Sportsmens warehouse has a reloading 101 about once a month. I know your way past that but it would be nice to run into you and bounce some ideals back and forth
I would drop dead from social anxiety probably. lol Maybe someday!
Great video Man!
I have a 18" Bear Creek Arsenal 1:8 barrel on my AR. I have found that Remington 7 1/2 Bench rest primers give me the tightest groups. With Hornady 75gr BTHP and 22.5gr RL-15 and a Winchester or CCI small rifle primer 1"-1.5" at 100 yards. Same load with Remington 7 1/2 Bench Rest primers, consistent clover leaves!
Great stuff JRB! I’ve seen that Hornady offers seating dies specifically for their ELD line so that is an option. As for a powder I’d like to see tested, how about Power Pro 2000-MR? That one was kicking ass in the cloning series. Maybe I should jump on the bandwagon and try toilet paper, haven’t really had a good enough reason to until now.
can you try varget? Thanks! im trying to develop a load for varget with these right now
Trimming to min case length would give you a little more adjustibility before the crimp engages. Also the copper shavings may be because while the neck is being crimped the bullet is still moving downward into the case, shaving a little copper from the bullet.
I know it's over max but I've got my best results from 8208 with 23.1grs but in three of my guns I've got .25" groups with primers just starting to flatten slightly
That's amazing for the 73ELD. Most people can't find the sweet spot. I haven't been able to do better than 2MOA using several powders. Are you shooting the AR?
I was just wondering if you tried shooting groups without the can and mag sensor on your barrel too see if the groups get smaller?
I tested 8208 with 73s this weekend in my 18” AR. I tried, 21.8, 22.1, 22.4, 22.7 and 23. 22.1 was a cloverleaf at 50y, all holes touching. This a Daniel Defense DDM4v11.
It outshot every RL15 charge I also tried that day.
Update:shot a 200-14x first match ever at 300. The 73s at mag length will shoot.
I just ordered some 73 grain eld bullets yesterday. While I'm running low on AA2520, I'm half temped to try some 8208XBR instead of stocking up on old faithful after seeing you shoot those 73's with 8208XBR.
I love it when the hotter load start grouping better that is just the way it should be why is it when I watch your videos I get hungry for Carl jr. Burgers
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what were you pulling out of the chamber before each new load? It would be awesome if it was some kind of fan to cool the barrel.
nevermind just saw the video I missed. That's awesome
Pretty sweet, right? A little pricey but damn they're awesome. I've used it for about 5 range trips so far and it's holding up for the time being.
I know this an old video, but if you have some AA2520 left I would love to see what you could do with the 73 grain ELD-M and AA2520. I'm waiting on my own 8208XBR and if I don't use all my AA2520 on my 62 grain BTHP's I might have a good comparison to make.
What custom trigger group are you using?
Hi. all this test does not make sense in my opinion. How can you measure exactly when the measuring device is connected to the barrel ??? it disturbs the whole harmony of the barrel.
Well I have my tracking number for an 8 pound jug of 8208. I have my 73 grain ELD-M bullets in hand. All I'm waiting for now is my new mount so I can put my magnitospeed on my quad rail instead of my barrel. I hope my results are as good as yours.
I'm making my 73ELD XBR ladder today. Hoping to see some goods. I'll be working up to 23.1gr
I'm not sure what the deal is with 8308xbr load data, but the go to load for a lot of competition shooters is 23.3 with the 75/77 grain rounds. I loaded LC brass up to 23.5 with the 73gn ELD and no issues in two different rifles but your mileage may vary. I wonder if there haven't been some hot batches so they keep the data low.
I revisited this video cause my very first loads are with this 73 gr projectile and IMR 8208XBR and I noticed you had the issue with the jacket being shaved. I am having the same issue, where as your shavings look almost like powder I am having it shave like its peeling it. I bought once fired already processed Lake City brass and even though it was processed I ran it through my RCBS small base die. I wonder if my issue is the same as you were having where the inside of the cases need to be chamfered better.
Isnt n140 a litle slow for a .223 ar? I use it for 308 service rifle loads, works good in there. afaik most that shoot .223 at my club, stick with n130 or 135.
Yes, it is definitely slow for the application. I have 135 on hand and that might have been the better choice for this application.
just wondering, never reloaded .223 myself.
keep it up anyways, your videos are among the ones i used to get started reloading :)
Hey Johnny! Will you be headed back to 7.62x54r any time soon? I was hoping you’d enter a quest for the most accurate, yet low recoil load.
I landed on those loads with Reloder 15 almost immediately and it's been so good, and so light recoiling, that I haven't had a lot of motivation to keep hunting for 7.62x54r loads. What bullet are you looking to shoot? I was thinking that my next series with that cartridge would be for cast bullets, but if you've got a good idea I am open to hear them!
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+1 for cast bullets next.
Just a suggestion... the chronograph hanging off the end of you barrel moves a bit after every shot which changes the harmonics. Each little miniscule changes spits the bullet out different. Which can cause fliers...
H335? And also how is the 9mm lee loader video coming? I work at a welding shop and the guy that delivers steel from iowa used to have Dillion 550s but sold them and loads just with the lee loader 38 special i believe.
Nice results with 8208. I'm trying some in my Ruger American predator. 223 with AR mag.
I’m about to try 270 I’ve never done rifle only pistol I will be shooting from a bolt action rifle do I need to crimp or will just seating the bullet be ok
I pretty much never crimp my bolt gun rounds. If the bullet has a cannelure or just playing around...go for it. But it's generally not something to worry about.
Oh My Good Lord.. another Patreon Plug... Really JRB.. I thought you were above this by now .. LOL >>> Just yankin your chain brother.. :) Great info as always.
This was a particularly long one, too! lol The video was filmed like two days before I made the other video and I thought it was a pretty amusing coincidence.
Hornady makes an ELD stem in 30 cal, I’m sure they have one for 224 also. I also find their data to be conservative.
I was using a redding die but the suggestion is still great. Pretty much all of the die manufacturers offer different stems, or even custom stems for whatever you need.
What powder funnel is that¿ The ones I've used I have to be extremely careful not to loose powder when going into my primed cases
It's one from the MTM Universal Powder Funnel kit. It is a much better fit than a red Lee funnel, if that's what you're using now. They aren't exactly great funnels, but at least they're affordable. amzn.to/2zB65wm
take a lee funnel and look for a fitting rubber tube or piece off writing-pen case to fit into...so i made my nice fitting and not wobbeling not spilling cheap lee funnel
Excellent video. Now we need to have a comparison with and without that chronograph hanging off the end of the gun..
are you letting your barrel cool down between strings.... it helps reduce confounds in your dataset.... especially with button rifled barrels that have poi changes when they get hot
I really would like to the hornady 73gr eld with AR-com powder if you could plz I have a ddv7pro with 1:7 twist and look for a long range stable combo. Thank you sir.
What is that thing you pull out of the gun before each series?
I’ve noticed the same exact copper shaving issue with the 6.5 147s even with heavy chamfering. Maybe I need to get a different chamfering tool
Doesn't having that chronograph attached to your barrel mess up the harmonic balance of your rifle?
Would like to seen more testing with this bullet someday.... please Johnny..
22.1gr of 8208 is a half-moa load in my AR with 73 ELDs. Unfortunately, it's pretty slow. You can go a lot faster, but it's barely sub-MOA. This is an 18" DD barrel.
I'm also seeing some really good things with 8208 even with 80 ELDs. A bit over book though (more like what you're shooting in the Mk262 series) but at longer OALs than book.
Makes me wonder if you had a barrel head spaced more on line with magazine length if you could get bolt gun accuracy.
Probably so! I wouldn't have believed it before I bought this WOA barrel, but seeing what a nice standard production barrel is capable of in an AR has really opened my eyes. If you wanted to get a barrel set up for a specific bullet you could probably achieve some amazing results.
I trickle into lee beam scales with a medicine spoon…been loadin 4yrs and sprinkled 15lb all through that same little bugger..I’d love to have this exact batch of components…except 210m primers or br-2s..I’m loadin 27gr varget under bulk 55gr fmj and produced several .5” groups with a 16” Doublestar upper 15yr old…
Will you try benchmark and h335??
Those are great options. No promises yet, but there's a good chance at least one of those will get tested with this bullet in the next video.
AA2520 has been my favorite powder for a while. After watching you with 8208 has me really thinking, especially since I have decided to test the 73 grain eld-m in my criterion barrel. I'm also going to test 8208 with the 62 grain bthp in my BCM barrel.
You can load 75 grain Amax or ELD to 2.29 OAL; that fits in a PRI mag. The bullet ogive is inside the case neck so the case needs to be crimped enough to remove this gap.
Awesome test great job I think I’m going to try that imr 8208xbr 👍👍👍👍 I already have 140 vint but haven’t used it yet.
I just ordered a 22 grendel barrel i cant wait to try 80 grain bullets at mag length
take the magneto speed off when shooting groups, youre messing with the barrel harmonics when you add something to the end like that
Varget shoots great in my WOA 18" SPR, 25.4 grains doing about 2855 fps which is smoking! Minor pressure signs though not unusual for 5.56 loadings. FGM match small rifle primer in .223 hornady cases.
I might of missed it but what’s your rifle twist
Excellent work.
Look's like IMR 8208 XBR is a pretty good powder! and you used CCI 400 primer's for a change,because you allway's use CCI 41,not saying anything just lookin..........KEEP ON ROCKIN IT JOHNNY!!!...
The pans wouldn’t have to be the same weight, just dump the powder into the second pan, with each pan zeroed for its own scale....but honestly, I would just skip the second scale entirely, the scale on the auto dispenser is just as good as the stand alone digital
Scale you have, why weigh twice?
The Lyman is occasionally a tenth off and it doesn't have a trickle button, so it's just easier to throw light and trickle separately. I think I did use a .1 scale in this video, so you're probably right about the scale being just as good, but I generally use a .02 scale to get things closer than the Lyman is capable of.
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Can you do a video on what you think would be the best combination for accuracy and consistency
Would love to see this bullet with Varget and maybe something thats done well from the mk262 series like 2520 or tac
My book of armaments has a 223 section, a service rifle section, and a 5.56 section, but zero information on the Holy Hand Grenade.
The number of the count shall be three.
Three shall be the number counted to
Five, is right out.
Armaments, chapter 2, verses 9-21........ "4 shall thou not count, neither count thou 2, excepting thou that then proceed too 3".......
The glock?
Thanks for sharing load data
Wow had the exact opposite results with the same barrel. Lc brass and #41 primer gave me .421 group with vv140 ...xbr not so much
Johnny, I've got some bullets I'd like to send you to try, I've had trouble finding a good load for them over 2800 fps 62 grn bthp Hornady these are a bulk bullet around 10 cents each. Let me know if you are interested.
I think I already have some of those on hand. I will check.
Johnny's Reloading Bench ok, I bought 1500 of them, really wanted them to work. I've tried 8 different powders, crimp/no crimp just got a 1lbs 8208 xbr hope to start a load development tomorrow with it.
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I've been looking at those bullets from midsouth. I think that's a good deal. Let me know how it goes. Try CFE 223, I've heard good things about this combination
Also, I've tested 400+ rounds of 73, 75, and 80 ELDs. ALL of them have shot best at longer jumps. I can't explain it. My rifle will allow all the way up to 2.52" OAL with 75s and 80s, and yet the best groups come at more like ~2.4 (1.85" CBTO)
Have you shot the 80 eldm out to 600+ yds?
@@Armadilla_1 yes, many times. Well, 600, but not over 600. A warm charge of powder and a bit longer throat in the gun and it'll perform surprisingly well. Shot my first "clean" at 600 with the 80 ELDm.
@@G5Hohn excellent news! So with a 1.85" CBTO, how far off the lands does thsy put you? Also, are you running a wylde chamber? Thanks much.
@@Armadilla_1 Depends on the rifle. In the AR I developed this load for, it was a Nato chamber and ended up about 65 thousands of jump.
IN the bolt rifle with a custom long throat chamber, the OAL is longer, closer to 2.52" OAL.
@@G5Hohn thanks for the reply. I ended up with a jam oal of 2.480", so I'm working up starting at .040" of jump from there (2.440" oal... 1.798" cbto). Will see what she can do.
Should use that drop tube for those starline brass. And I too like cottonelle.
what primer did you use
I’m really liking this bullet
Is primer cratering not a pressure sign?
I know it's an old video I found SW Precision to work best 2779fps sub .75 consistent in my rifle
n540 was the best performing in your 77gr test. These 73s have equal BC but cheaper. Let's see it!
What was it he was saying about the 75 ELD bullets in an AR?
They won't work at magazine length (2.260"). They get loaded at like 2.350"+ or something. I'm not near my manual right now to check.
The 75gr Hornady BTHP Match bullet (no plastic tip) CAN be loaded to 2.260", though!
Johnny's Reloading Bench Well, have to return the box I bought. Sucks being a noob sometimes.
Thanks
John you should try doing groups without the strap on chronograph, it's causing your barrel harmonics to be different. It could make a huge difference
I can see the chronograph whipping with every shot that's why I'm positive it is an issue 😀 love your videos man. You and cookie gave me the confidence to start reloading. Thank you
He has already done testing both with and without the chrono and suppressor with same loads to check and see if there was degradation, and there was not any change.
This barrel/suppressor combo seems immune from magnetospeed-induced problems. Other barrels can definitely be different!
I know this video is over a year old but can you try these with Varget? I use a drop tube to load 25 grains of the stuff into a winchester case, velocity is over 2800 and brass is pristine. Wondering if anybody else could get this result.
You greatly exceed the maximum load authorized by the Hornady manual for the N140 which is 23.6 grs, this seems rather dangerous to me.
The 223 is a great round
But what about terminal balistic of eld compared to mk262
They would not need to be the same weight. Just leave each one with it's scale. Transfering the powder between the two tray's would work.. but might be a bit annoying
Try it with Tac. 8208 and Tac have almost identical burn patterns.