Blown Engine - Contaminated Fuel || Stranded In The Outback || Paul Wheel Drive
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Blown Engine - Contaminated Fuel, now Stranded In The Outback. Kununurra is a lovely town to visit, but being forced to stay here to have a blown engine replaced was never the plan!
Leaving early to travel to the Bungle Bungles was a great way to start the day. After 150 kms driving, all hell broke loose and the car started to rapidly lose power. A warning light appeared on the dashboard, but it was all too late, the damage had been done.
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Isn't Dustin a great guy? Sp incredibly busy but still does an amazing job of helping.
Yep, people think I'm nuts adding fuel treatment, but just completed 10000km trip QLD to WA and back - via Birdsville Track and Great Central Road (lots of dodgy fuel stations). I use Fuel Doctor 1ml per L for every tank of diesel. Habit I picked up from having boats in the past wanting to stop growth in the tank and if you have ever cleaned out a old fuel tank you will know what I mean!
Unfortunately anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything. I have not used a fuel additive ever and I have driven millions of kilometres from when I was 18 until my current old age and never had contaminated fuel.
I too use this stuff, it's specificly designed to combat water and fungi in fuel. B.T.Y. if I planned such a trip, I'd bne fitting an extra water seperator just in case. You can't rely on fuel in these remote locations.
@@teeanahera8949 well done I have had 4 and my travelling companion just had his tank out to clean it
You've done the right thing by fitting a second fuel filter.
However it's obviously not doing its job: Assuming you were changing it regularly?
A fuel filter shouldn't have let anything through.
The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome: You ought to try a few different types of petrol filter.
High efficiency oil filters exist for oil (look up Trasko, Jackmaster and "centrifugal filters")... so they must exist for petrol.
Suggestion: You'll find sintered metal filters work pretty well at filtering both dirt and water... and they're relatively cheap.
Sintered metal filters are reverse flushable... so all you have to do is blow them out and put them back in.
A good petrol filter is much cheaper than replacing an engine.
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I’m 70 and worked on diesels all my life, on small single cyl to big multi cylinder big yellow things, saw fuel contamination all the time, normally they just stop coz water don’t burn right! Yes they sometimes need new injectors and/or pump or maybe the low pressure pump if it common rail, but for a piston to be holed or other damage the engine has to run awhile, has anyone actually looked for water at the high pressure pump and the fuel rail, I didn’t see that in the video.
Also why does it need a new engine, if it’s got a holes piston, replace the piston or all of them…
Yes totally agree with every thing that you said, getting a new engine from japan my god!
I would never travel without Ultimate Care road service. I'm in SA so we have RAA you only need to use it once and it's worth every penny.
Our daughter was coming home to Adelaide from Kunanurra after working up there for a year and blew a transfer case just out of Alice Springs. The RAA Ultimate Care put her up for four nights before transporting her safely home as the car couldn't be fixed easily. The car was then trucked home a few weeks later then repaired when the new transfer case arrived from overseas.
Apart from our annual fee for the Ultimate Care it didn't cost us anything else.
Hopefully all will work out well when your new motor arrives.
I am no mechanic by any means, but the guys at the shop seem to be talking nonsense. How would fuel contamination cause the injectors to fail in such a manner that a piston would crack? If contamination would be to magically get pass by all of your filters it would CLOG the injector, not OPEN it in order to destroy the piston.
The car behaves like it cracked a piston because of old and worn out injectors that caused poor combustion for a looong time and I believe it has nothing to do in particular with your last refuel.
Check Anthony's Fourby4Diesel channel here, on youtube, for more information regarding this type of engine and what causes piston cracks. He also talks about people getting new engines for free from Toyota because all the cars build in a specific timeframe have flawed pistons!
The other bloke who knows these engines is Peter from UA-cam channel Engine care or D4D engines. There are well known issues with those Prado engines & Peter talks about them & how He fixes the problems in his rebuilt better than new engines.
Paul, I am an old Territorian. But advise you not to grab a used engine...All done them hard yards up that way.
Depending the age of your old engine, toss that coin first prior to New or Rebuilt of your own, as you know yours and not knowing ex dismantling yard.
With my travels, I always retain fuel receipts as a come back to servo insurance for similar to your dilemma.
And, am amazed how you twin fuel filter system failed....Heck, I'd be knocking on their door super quick mate, as they should have prevented fuel contaminate by blocking and starving engine...check it out real quick before your final decision.
That fuel additive...err umm..duh, first time having heard of it as a protective measure.
But, It is what it is...your decision mate. But but do not back off, as someone somewhere is responsible.
All the best cobber, and hope your vehicle has a speedy recovery....Cheers.
Oh Paul...I feel your pain! Contaminated fuel in Canberra, blown BT50...repairers (Queanbeyan Diesel) have been absolutely fantastic in guiding my way through insurance claims, assessor inspections, etc. Chemical analysis of fuel (required by insurance company) revealed water and algae contamination. Insurance company (Budget Direct) have been on side throughout this 9 week mess and hopefully my "you beaut big blue ute" comes home tomorrow with a reconditioned engine. Thing is, the fuel came from THE biggest fuel outlet in Canberra (at least a B-double of diesel per day I understand) - certainly not some shitty little servo out in the sticks. Love the kilt - have three of my own...Kununurra not too hot though? In any case, good luck mate...
Cracked piston, often caused by bad injectors, injectors worn faster by bad fuel.
Change squirters every 150-200k or 7 years for new densos.
Same happened to mine out of warranty hole in the piston, Toyota supplied all parts no cost to me I payed labour. No contamination of fuel Toyota are well aware of the piston problem. I would be hitting them up even if it has already been repaired for compensation.
Ahhh man, that's a really tough situation. I know you'll find the best solution and get back into it sooner rather than later. You could be stuck in less ideal places though, Kununurra isn't terrible and there's a few things going on there. Hopefully a subscriber following your channel can lend a hand if they're close by 🙂
Cool as a cucumber! I guess you have had time to digest the situation Paul. All the best with all that. That was great info about fuels and contamination. You almost want to pump some diesel in a clear bottle before you fill your tank after rains. Fuel will float on water so if you wait long enough, you will see if its contaminated. If its good, just pour it in the tank, if not you've saved an engine. Wow! What a saga.
That magic stuff you pour in your tank I think is a dispersant that binds to the water molecules and can then flow through the engine with minimal impact...but it does depend on how much water is in the fuel as to how much you need to put in and if there is too much water, then you really have to drain the tank. So it comes back to checking the fuel first. Perhaps someone in the know can correct me?
P.S. Never fill your vehicle, petrol or diesel if a tanker is dropping a load, as that stirs up super amounts of contaminates and debris in bottom of servo tanks.
I always fill drums first and put it in after after they settled and it takes time but never fails.
Sorry you've had this experience Paul. I know a lot of 4WD owners install a secondary fuel filter as a pre-filter (30 micron). However, if it doesn't have a water trap and alarm built-in, by the time the main filter alarm activates....it's too late and the damage has already been done :( I had a Diesel Care secondary "post" filter installed (5 micron) and this will supposedly stop the water from getting past this filter, or at least give you sufficient time to shut down the motor before any damage is done. Plus, I use Fuel Doctor in every tank of diesel and carry a few spare filters with me.
That's what I was thinking ' water-trap & alarm' is the only way to go ! Cheers from Bribie Is.
A decent fuel filter like fuel manager and 5 micron filter will prevent dirty fuel entering your engine. Factory filters let house bricks through. Like Toyota air filters.
Should have called Peter at Engine Care, who also has a UA-cam channel on the subject. He's a Prado engine rebuilder beyond compare who ships all over Australia. There are known issues with those Prado engines & He talks about them on his channel.
Fuel contamination is a very real problem. In April 2021 we crossed the Nullabore heading to Perth with car trailer. I fortunately filled at the SA WA border. At the next fill point Eucla people were filling with a fresh load of diesel... Accept as we found out when we returned the tanker had some how put petrol into the servo diesel tank! This created a major problem. So I am always careful especially outback to check the quality of the fuel to see that it is the right stuff and that it looks okay. Another huge issue is the extreme wet weather Australia had been experiencing. I would be very careful here also. This is a major problem I hope the insurance company comes to the party.
I'd like to see inside those filters and know when they were last changed
That's a real blow, Paul. I hope the insurance company sort things out quickly for you. Keep on 'em, daily calls at least if you can. At least you have a hire car to get about with for a couple of weeks.
I use Fuel Doctor for treating the diesel. Also, I run a Fuel Manager 30 micron pre-filter with water bowl and sensor, with warning light in the cab. The factory filter also has a water sensor in it, and there is about 1m of fuel line between the two. Hopefully(!) the Fuel Manager picks up most of it first, collects in the bowl, and the warning light comes on before the factory dash light comes on.
A "Mr Funnel" might be worth buying as well. The F3 and F8 model have an option of a flexible spout to go on for use at the servo, though it takes a little more time to fill up this way. You'll see the water captured in the funnel if it's there.
Hi mate,
I use fuel doctor, like you do, also on my petrol cars and lawnmowers/chain saws etc. Yes I have the funnel filter too, just in case.
I was planning to install a pre filter for my Navara np300. Did not help poor Paul though. Terrible!
The s…t you have to go through just fillin’ up😩in the outback?!
I also have fitted a water watch to my car. It saved me once 4 years after fitting it.
Same, always carry fuel doctor in the vehicle and use it every fill up and always put some in the jerry cans as well
Hi Paul, we met you at Anabranch last year. We are so sorry this has happened to you. Just for a laugh I married my insurance , a mechanic 49 years ago. Hope all works out well. Stay safe. Hugs from Ken and Gail
Mate you have really been belted with this. Hope it all works out. I take my Jerry’s cans x 4 and fill up at larger towns with newer stations. Not always a dead cert your going to get non contaminated fuel but it’s better than risking some little service station in the outback
Hey mate, I'd for sure get a new engine from Japan. The wait might be long but its well worth it. You never know with second hand engines. Rebuilt ones are good but if you have the option for a new one, I'd take a new engine. Having a new engine, I'd say Increases the value of the car especially if that engine comes straight from Japan.
Dear Paul, I hope all turns out well for you, & you are either on the road soon or back down home .Elaine Queensland
All the best Paul. Awesome attitude
Hi Paul. Sorry to hear of your predicament. Hope all turns out ok. Great to see you're in fine spirits considering. Cheers and stay upbeat
I feel your pain, Best of luck.
Oh sorry to hear about this dilemma Paul 😕 Praying now for you for the best outcome and for you to make a good decision. Also hopefully it wont be as long as anticpated!! Kununnura was a great place to stay though. You could stay at Showgrounds- $35 per night...if you stay for 6 you get the 7th night free!
Daymn
Sounds like you got done bad there.
Sorry to hear hope all is going well
Mate go back to the servo and have a chat to them. They can test the tank by putting a paste on the bottom of the dip stick and it will show if there is water in the tank. If there is water you have a good case for compensation. I’m in the fuel industry and can say they should be routinely checking the tank daily for water contamination, sounds like they haven’t been doing that. While fuel additives are not 100% on water they certainly help. They also clean the fuel system and injectors of various moulds and contaminants and are well worth using. F10 and Diesel Doctor are 2 popular ones.Your problem involves a significant amount on money and your should pursue it as far as possible even to the point of asking legal advice.
Good luck.
I remember driving a Ford xy from Darwin to Tounsville and we smashed the fuel tank of the car about half way, we had to run the fuel from Jerry cans with a pipe, not the most fun you could have in the sun.
Good luck centurion
Even my 81 Sigma did a lap in 2008, no drama's. I did miss a/c used to say better I overheat than the car.
Constant problems with diesels and I've never had a hiccup with my petrol and neither have friends. Still waiting for someone to make a good case for diesel honestly, it embarrassing.
Never late in a 4.8 😂
I have to agree.
The last good Toyota diesel was the 1hd-1hdt-1hdft-1hdfte.
These new small capacity common rail diesels with dpf's seems to be time bombs.
Although petrol use more fuel they seems to be more reliable.
There is a reason trucks use it and not petrol. You just cannot get the torque out of an equivalent petrol motor. Try towing a caravan with a 2.0 L petrol motor compared with approx 2 L being a standard size for diesels and towing.
Well done. You left out RACQ with its sister relationships with the other road side organisations.
Pre filters are logically not a good idea. Try a Diesel Care POST filter, the huge benefit is when the water light goes on you still have a good chance to stop the car before the post filter water trap also fills and wrecks engine. Some so called Industry experts reckon pre filters are best but for this one reason as explained above they are not the best option. Diesel Care has been post filtering for decades. I have used a 5micron one for about 10 years with no issue.
I have just been reading the Repco advice on diesel fuel filtering and indeed they say the 20 or 30 micron factory filter should do the heavy lifting FIRST and then the 2 micron (in my case) comes second to pick up what was missed in the factory filter. 1 to 5 micron particles wreck injectors.
The stuff you are talking about is Fuel Doctor and it does work and if your engine was blown it wouldnt start
Are either of your filters a water separator.? ...a water separator is a must have with a diesel.... good luck
Bad injectors is my guess they end up cracking a piston it happens a fare bit on that model and Hilux aswell.
Sounds like the D-4D motor has done what those motors do, detonate pistons....Bugger,the bill is eye watering..
I had the same situation but the only difference is that my engine survived. However it's an old style diesel (Daihatsu 2.8 Td).
If interested look at the "contaminated fuel" videos in my YT channel.
what a bummer.
Bugger, hope you get it sorted
Wholly pistons batman. Thats more of the 1KD piston fault. Toyota know all about it. Have a chat with toyota out of warranty assistance.
Bugga. I use fuel doctor constantly. No issues.
Bugger,alot of good insurance companies will cover fuel contamination and chase the garage that sold it. Saying that you have a good claim for compensation from the seller of the bad fuel. Sometimes there is good things that can happen from our misfortunes. 😃
Sorry this has happened to you. IMHO best way to lessen the chance of this occurring is to fit an after market inline water separator/pre filter. Fitted before the factory filter. Hope it all works out with insurance coverage. PS You do some of the best videos.
It's fitted with a Donaldson P550588 diesel pre-filter/water trap - you can see it in the video. They will only work up to a point though.
Simple question, why isn't fuel comprehensively filtered at the refinery then the fuel tanker and then the fuel Bowser ? We don't accept dirty drinking water so why do we tolerate this ? New cars should have all the necessary filters to stop contaminated fuel getting anywhere near the motor. And don't get me started on the price of diesel when apparently it is a bi- product of making petrol! I remember when diesel was always half or less than the price of petrol !
Good questions for our politicians to answer
Sorry to hear you’re situation it’s one of those things we worry about.
Great video and information and that ultimate roadside is a definite thing to purchase
hi These engines have massive piston issues caused by
incorrect design
poor injectors ,, this motor had different upgrades every 2yrs
egr system transfer HUGE AMOUNT OF heat to head and cooling system and contaminate injector tips
bad pistons ,,many different designs
Sound like it was more that the fuel.
Looks like a good time to take up drinking mate because there’s bugger all else that you can do now
Wow, sorry about the problem Paul. On the bright side there could be worse places to breakdown. Amazing how things can go pear-shaped in a heartbeat that really effects your life. Maybe it's the universe telling you you're meant to be there for a while 😉. Perhaps you can go out and pick watermelons to keep busy while you wait 😂. Anyway take care ol mate you'll be looked after and back on the road in no time.
Ru the only one effected by the dirty fuel in Kununurra?
Crikey mate, glad it’s you and not me 😮 seriously though, hope it all works out for you. Loved yer rotating hazard lights…are they part of your car or you’ve added ? Shall scrutinise my covers and boost ‘em if needed, bugger the cost ! Good luck 🤞
Check that they’re legal.
I'm confused at one stage you're standing in front of a car with a 1KDFTV and then at 5.36 you're fueling a new Prado.
Soooo is it known for a fact that water or contaminants caused this problem, was the fuel analysed scientifically? So many commenters are mentioning this being a common fault with that vehicle manufacturer.
When did you last change your injectors and injector seals as this can cause cracked pistons in Toyota diesels
Ah no mate, I can donate the Hyundai excel motor at the drop of a hat.
Great work as always my friend.
Good luck and don't come back to Sydney any time soon its not a good place to be.
Big up brother
which outlets have the old tanks in the town
Paul - sorry for your bad luck, there’s some great advice in the comments so far. Can you clarify - you have fitted 2 pre filters before the factory filter? ( if that’s the case, you’ve really had a tough time!)
I think he said one pre filter and then the factory one. In total = 2. I have a 20 micron and a 2 micron. A water molecule is .0001 micron.
Would a td42 or 1hz have suffered the same faith?
How could bad fuel do a piston in?
If it was really contaminated fuel - water - then it would be in the bottom of one of the filters. In any case the fuel tank should have been dropped to confirm the reason. Did you find evidence of water.
These Hilux engines crack pistons regularly - you need to prove it was water and not a injector problem.
Hi Paul sorry to here your bad news question would insurance have covered u if no diesel prefilter
Can insurance cover a blown motor
Paul did the servo accept any responsibility for the blown engine?
Hi Paul, are you suggesting that the new motor may be covered by your comprehensive insurance or the roadside assist?
Roadside assist will never cover an engine. Comprehensive insurance cover will only cover a new engine if you have a “proper” insurer. All the cheaper insurers will have a clause excluding engines. So RACQ and equivalent in each state probably are the best fit as they will cover your roadside assist and new engine claim. Our house got hit by a car, in fact it wiped out the adjoining fence with the neighbours. RACQ gave us $3000 for a fence repair with no excess. The neighbours who had a cheaper insurance company got $600 and had to pay the excess.
those headlights still loo not mucch good Paul!
$28,000 for a new engine ???????? I've heard of ripoffs but that takes the cake.
What year Prado and how many km has/had it done ???
Modern engines..ha..what a pia gift from Toyota and none in Aus...b typical!!
I’ve given you a thumbs up but it’s really a thumbs down for your situation. I had 2 loads of dirty fuel in 8 months of each other and both times it was an injector pump and injectors. I did everything right, kept receipt’s but both times the servo’s denied any wrongdoing. My insurance company covered it but I still had to pay the excess as apparently they had no luck with the service stations. The second one took 5 months to resolve as they insinuated I did it myself to try and get the car written off because apparently nobody gets 2 dirty tanks of fuel in 8 months.
I’ve since fitted a water watch alarm plus extra filter and as others have stated use fuel doctor religiously. My water watch alarm saved me once after being fitted for 4 years, every time you start the car the alarm sounds as a self check and then it’s quite imagine my surprise after 4 years and it goes off cruising on the freeway, I pulled straight over and checked and sure enough water had just stated to fill my pre filter .
Hope things work out for best of luck. Paul
WHAT THE HELL.
The real problem is modern engine design.
Not so much a problem with unleaded
Narr, just pay for towing and look after yourself. NRMA has too many fancy restrictions to benefit themselves, they will dump you at a dealer and walk away. They will just want to sell you expensive parts and new engines. Modern mechanical s too complex for the NRMA man, total waste of time.
I just took my 200 up the Kimberley then down through the NT, used fuel additive every fill up and the only drama was a blocked fuel filter nearing Port Augusta on the way home. Anyone who’s interested check out the company Cost Effective Maintenance.