Subtone for All Saxophones

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • This is a lesson on how to subtone on any saxophone. Is this a prerequisite for altissimo? Let's find out!
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  • @paolocimmino5648
    @paolocimmino5648 3 роки тому +19

    I've played sax for a few months now, therefore some topics are beyond my skill; but I want to tell you that I love your videos anyway.
    You are a great teacher and (being Italian this a plus for me) your speech is very clear and easy to understand (so I get English lessons included for free... 😜). Thanks for your great work!

  • @shawnmones8823
    @shawnmones8823 3 роки тому +13

    yo wtf i didn’t even realize i literally only play with a subtone then

  • @JayVeMontgomery
    @JayVeMontgomery 3 роки тому +5

    Blowing my mind with the subtone altissimo relationship! I’ve always felt like I could do subtone only up so high until I had to change to a regular embochure for higher notes. And I love playing out... Back to the woodshed!

  • @T.H.W.O.T.H
    @T.H.W.O.T.H 3 роки тому +8

    I think you've just made me realise that I'm a lip-out, sub-tone player. I hadn't really thought about my sound in these terms before. This is quite a revelation for me, and explains my choice of mouthpiece and why I swap depending on what kind of music I'm doing. Guess you're never to old to learn something new about yourself eh?
    🎷

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому +2

      I'm older'n dirt and still learning that some things I learn make me and those around me nervous.

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому +3

      Keep on keepin' on!!

  • @vivianastridge2167
    @vivianastridge2167 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you for the video . Your instructions or suggestions seem to run counter to what is generally and universally offered as to position of the mouthpiece. All of the subtone instructions offered on the Net and articles published state as a matter of established fact that the mouthpiece be positioned so that the very edge of the reed rests upon the mid section of lower lip with the axis of the mouthpiece being some unspecified angle upward from the normal, while you suggest that the mouthpiece be moved forward a little from the usual playing position and the axis of the mouthpiece be inclined some forty five degrees downward. I notice you do not mention the position of lower jaw so assume that this is not of any importance vis a vis subtone production. Your approach is most certainly a breakaway from the normal and most decidedly deserves to be tried out. Thank you very much for the video and the very best to you.

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому

      Instructions here have already proven to me that this is the best approach. There are exceptions in the details, like mouthpiece design. Best subtones I have heard come from a lady calling herself Debb Saxx on UA-cam. Check her out, she may be the best saxophonist nobody ever heard of. Best of luck!

    • @vivianastridge2167
      @vivianastridge2167 3 роки тому

      @@hammered0184 Thank you for your comments. I do not agree or disagree with the instructions given by super professional saxophonists . I cannot in any way express my own opinion as i have not been able to produce even a hint of subtone. I have merely pointed out the differences in the instructions of very proficient saxophonists and in fact i have produced a short paper on all of the methods suggested or insisted upon by the most advanced players. across the world and if there is one disturbing element made evident by my research is the almost unlimited contradiction in subtone techniques offered by the experts. I was not able to access the saxophonist Debb Saxx. I was however able to locate just one video by one Debb Starr who most certainly must surely be one of the best if not actually the best saxophonist ever. Thank you for your comments and please do offer me your own suggestions or advice or instruction vis a vis producing the subtone as regards your experiences as to mouthpiece type, lay, tip , chamber and reed.Thank you again.

    • @craigwinn5903
      @craigwinn5903 3 роки тому

      @@hammered0184 you meant Debb Starr!

  • @wentbackward
    @wentbackward 3 роки тому +3

    How can you say "phoo phoo sound" with such a straight face 😜

  • @Redwane-Music
    @Redwane-Music Рік тому

    hi, any idea why I can't play low notes other that using Subtone and with double cushion. If I try the full sound with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, the notes just break or stay high.
    Actually I never learned how to play with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, and I hate it. please what am I supposed to do in this case?

  • @r.g.saxone
    @r.g.saxone 3 роки тому +2

    You do deserve more subscribers..... ! Your approach is so clear and pedagogical. It Would be great to see u doing some collaboration with @saxologic or Augie Bello ! 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝

  • @joshcharlat850
    @joshcharlat850 3 роки тому +16

    Just wanted to applaud you again for how articulate you are. A fantastic communicator you are!!

    • @SaxJockey
      @SaxJockey Рік тому

      Exactly what I was thinking.

  • @richardm1
    @richardm1 3 роки тому +2

    Very interesting! My main piece is a super tone master seven*. As I continue learning and begin to go past F # on the top I’ve been working on G, has not been easy. All of the sudden in the last couple weeks it started popping out as I relaxed my embouchure more. Fascinating. Thanks for all your efforts. I always learn something valuable.

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому +1

      Good stuff! Thanks for watching

  • @gangofgreenhorns2672
    @gangofgreenhorns2672 3 роки тому +2

    Hey, I got that Super 20 from MRS. They give you a 1 year warranty and when you first get a horn (in my experience) you need to go over it and note anything you need them to fix up. So they replaced a couple of pads and put on some new pieces of cork and stuff for me. Plays great now. I never had a bari before so i just spent the first day learning how to voice all the notes and make them sound good. Using a Berg 105/2 SMS and Legere 2.25 Signatures.

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому

      Super 20 Silver-Sonic Tenor is my personal favorite. Hope you enjoy your bari!

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому

      Those guys are great!! I should be reviewing a bari from there soon with potentially buying it

  • @rodolfovalmalaarrastio9111
    @rodolfovalmalaarrastio9111 11 місяців тому

    Me gustan mucho tus clases pero, por favor, córtate el pelo.

  • @lucyyockey
    @lucyyockey 2 роки тому +1

    The idea that subtone fundamentals improve altissimo technique is a big eye opener for me. Always appreciate your insight!!😁 Have you ever done a video on clarinet embouchure for saxophonists, or saxophone embouchure for clarinetists for that matter? Thanks!

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  2 роки тому +1

      Not exactly, but I have frequently talked about it.
      ua-cam.com/video/dC8uP8Mib_U/v-deo.html

  • @Craig2760
    @Craig2760 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks. Been playing and teaching for years. Imitation has always been easy for me so subtone was a natural thing. Teaching it to someone else was always a challenge.

  • @6strings5904
    @6strings5904 Рік тому

    Yamaha 7c 2.5 Rico( orange)?

  • @estebanvenegas89
    @estebanvenegas89 3 роки тому +2

    This is one of the best sax yt channel, i often look for short videos, but everytime I saw your vids I got a lot from them, you are a very good teacher, keep it like that :)

  • @hecateswolf6007
    @hecateswolf6007 2 роки тому

    Wonderful thanks

  • @6strings5904
    @6strings5904 Рік тому

    I was checking subtone videos from different players ,how controversial subject the lip out embouchure.Someway your explanation stand closer to me. Your sound proof for that!

  • @davidsmith2866
    @davidsmith2866 2 роки тому

    Does this involve moving your jaw forward to achieve that 45 degree angle? Many instructors online suggest moving the jaw back for subtones, so I just wanted to clarify. Moving the jaw back seems to do nothing for me.

  • @mr.peoples901
    @mr.peoples901 2 роки тому +1

    I have seldom seen better explanations, and really excited to hear and see more. This is my first time seeing your channel and I am deeply impressed.

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  2 роки тому

      Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching

  • @llRoBoBinHoll
    @llRoBoBinHoll 2 роки тому

    I’ve heard a lot of teachers say subtone means less mouthpiece in the mouth rather than more🤔

  • @bro_liv
    @bro_liv Рік тому

    So what about when practising subtones and having thoses multi-notes at once like you had on the G? Having some difficulty to get clean sound unless I come down from low E let's say. Is it that my reed is too soft?

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  Рік тому

      The saxophone's tone can become unstable with any type of extreme embouchure. I've had this issue on soprano when I relax too much. If the embouchure is too loose, the lower notes can also split. Try to find those points where the sound is right on the verge of splitting and play in the middle.

    • @jd6268
      @jd6268 8 місяців тому

      I get that split sound on the high G when i'm playing normally sometimes... thought it was maybe a fault in the sax. I can correct it by tightening the embouchoure but seems like it's just that note 🤔@@Sirvalorsax

  • @J-Crash
    @J-Crash Рік тому

    I got my first sax for chirstmas and I was having a hard time getting notes out, 8:09 perfectly shows what I've been doing and although this video isnt about how to make a proper sound, it still helped me to do so now that I know what I was actually doing 👍

  • @davidcox8961
    @davidcox8961 Рік тому

    Thank you !! Just what I needed to hear. Been working on the foo foo sound for awhile. This is actionable info. Cheers !!

  • @markhadfield6408
    @markhadfield6408 3 роки тому

    Special! Thanks so much, Sirvalorsax, for your focus and forthright clarification about these mysterious tones of adventure! Big effort, and, it's certainly very much appreciated. Thanking you for sharing your hold on thangs in respect of air and embouchure manipulation with us. See ya!

  • @romierome6
    @romierome6 3 роки тому

    Is the aibay #7 considered a high baffle mouthpiece?

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому +1

      No, its pretty neutral

    • @romierome6
      @romierome6 3 роки тому

      So would it be ok to practice subtones with? I mostly play the legere' signature series reed.

  • @jazzybluesyyoo6914
    @jazzybluesyyoo6914 3 роки тому

    recently i ve bought the SML gold medal tenor in south korea. so let me check the subtone out based on your instructions by sml tenor. always thanks a lot !!!

  • @wildman166
    @wildman166 Рік тому

    Thank you , it was very helpful. You kick ass

  • @thejoemonica
    @thejoemonica 3 роки тому

    What kind of mouthpiece patches do you use? Thanks! Love your vids man!

  • @Samuel-ge7im
    @Samuel-ge7im 3 роки тому

    Hey Adrien good to see you again.
    Thanks for another informative video.
    I hope you have had a great weekend and are staying safe.

  • @TitoSilversax
    @TitoSilversax 3 роки тому

    Ahh your videos never disappoint 👍... also I play soprano so, generally, my embouchure is always pretty tight to keep intonation... any tips to subtone for soprano players?

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому +1

      I do exactly the same thing. I generally am more picky about my choice of mouthpieces with soprano though.

  • @curtisvalle5141
    @curtisvalle5141 2 роки тому

    Dude, it just hit me..... you got that Dizzy Gillespie thing going on! All puffed up.... rockin it! Subtone def'n - that 'stick'em to the chair' sound.

  • @jazzygiraffe8589
    @jazzygiraffe8589 3 роки тому

    Those intros always seem so goofy but then I realise you're way older than you look and actually in your late 30s or something :-) Makes you very likeable.
    Thanks a lot for the video though. I am trying to get a lot of subtone in the lower register of my alto so I sound more clean and soft and still be able to start the notes fast and quietly. My teacher told me to use more of an overbite and have less of my lip around the reed for subtones as opposed to what you said, so I'm a little bit confused here since your approach has been very helpful to me over the past couple of months. I have been playing without my octave key for like 4 months now and been experimenting with playing everything a semi-tone lower than what I finger while still keeping the notes up in the higher register.
    I play a Meyer 6 Medium Chamber with strength 4 reads. Do you think I should change anything about that if I want a sound that feels like Bix Beiderbecke, Edmond Hall, Chet Baker, Lester Young, Johnny Hodges, Jimmy Dorsey (I know they're not all saxophonists) ?

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому +1

      A lot of people teach the "small amount of mouthpiece" technique for subtoning but I have always found it limiting. It does work however which is why so many people use it. The 4 strength reeds might be too stiff. I'd move to 3's and really focus on relaxing the embouchure. It may seem like it's too soft at first. If you can, try monitoring yourself with a microphone and headphones. Be sure to turn yourself up too loud so that way you force yourself to use a more relaxed embouchure.

  • @hammered0184
    @hammered0184 3 роки тому

    Learned what subtones are last month. Been practicing ever since. Stumbled onto your technique before seeing this and it WORKS and I mean easily. Now thank you Sir for having qualified "my" technique.

  • @ouzalghost8411
    @ouzalghost8411 Рік тому

    Thank you Sir, very informative

  • @Happilee97
    @Happilee97 3 роки тому

    Have you tried Boston Sax Shop reeds?

  • @GGflute
    @GGflute 3 роки тому

    Thank for your great knowlige!

  • @pauliukaskl
    @pauliukaskl 3 роки тому

    This is very interesting. Every other saxophone teacher suggests moving the jaw down and back for producing subtone. Your approach is definitely interesting and unique and deserves to be tried.

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому

      And seems to me every other instructor talks too loudly and gets all wound up. Snake oil salesmen?

  • @brianbrown4211
    @brianbrown4211 3 роки тому

    Excellent lesson, now to practice for 2 months. Thank you from Scotland.

  • @nickmartorano6766
    @nickmartorano6766 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video and thorough explanations, as always. Super thanks :)

  • @dennischacko499
    @dennischacko499 3 роки тому

    Wow thank you so much. I've watched so many videos trying to figure out how to play altissimo, and this one honestly helped me more than anything else.

  • @GGflute
    @GGflute 2 роки тому

    You are great sax teacher! Thanks!

  • @floaty10
    @floaty10 3 роки тому

    Great advice as usual. Many thanks.

  • @richardolson8651
    @richardolson8651 3 роки тому

    Great lesson Thanks Dick

  • @sauloferreira3182
    @sauloferreira3182 3 роки тому

    Mestre o senhor tocar muito. Brincar com o sax. Deus te abençoe por esse dom.

  • @billfornari1970
    @billfornari1970 3 роки тому

    Well done, I’m always looking for new ways of learning things.

  • @keyantwilliams
    @keyantwilliams 3 роки тому

    Great video my brother

  • @enispenvy9174
    @enispenvy9174 3 роки тому

    You're adding mega science to my game. Thank you so much.

  • @csbros6708
    @csbros6708 3 роки тому

    Can you please explain the “lip out embouchure”?

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому +1

      Lower lip not between teeth and reed, just on reed.

  • @espr7564
    @espr7564 3 роки тому

    Awesome teacher !!

  • @1marioracer1
    @1marioracer1 3 роки тому

    love ur content

  • @rodrigo81000
    @rodrigo81000 3 роки тому

    Qual o nome da sua boquilha ????

  • @warpo007
    @warpo007 3 роки тому

    Thanks Coach!

  • @tellitlikeitis-rg4ny
    @tellitlikeitis-rg4ny 3 роки тому

    Love vids adrien you articulate in a relaxed way no bs

  • @zandrawhite7457
    @zandrawhite7457 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video, thank you!

  • @charliegregory4148
    @charliegregory4148 3 роки тому

    Great lesson 👍

  • @hyrumbaird3950
    @hyrumbaird3950 3 роки тому

    Helpful as always

  • @yoni6886
    @yoni6886 3 роки тому

    :)

  • @G00b789
    @G00b789 3 роки тому

    Once again, amazing video

  • @JP_F7
    @JP_F7 3 роки тому

    You're an awesome saxophonist!!

    • @Sirvalorsax
      @Sirvalorsax  3 роки тому

      Thank you very much!

    • @JP_F7
      @JP_F7 3 роки тому

      @@Sirvalorsax Teacher too! :)

  • @willipuga
    @willipuga 3 роки тому

    0 dislikes nice

  • @patrickkelcey2435
    @patrickkelcey2435 3 роки тому

    Kenny G
    A musicians musician
    Wonderful human being
    Does not use subtones cos he's really smart can really do it and doesn't have to.
    However, if I feel I'm coming up short, well there's no end to the tricks I'll try....and it's all good, but maybe not that much, I'm a bit of a flash in the pan really... Sorry..

    • @tellitlikeitis-rg4ny
      @tellitlikeitis-rg4ny 3 роки тому +1

      Haaaaa kenny g musicians muso lmfa subtone haaaaaaa

    • @hammered0184
      @hammered0184 3 роки тому +1

      Whatever. Personally I can't stand to listen to his playing. Elevators and gasoline pumps anyone?