dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 How isn't Dreamy Bowser canon? Also, Dreamy Bowser can wish people out of existence, he just didn't do it because Princess Peach and Starlow used magic to prevent him from doing so.
@@deeshow1422 for the sake of your own sanity, do not engage with him. He's clearly a Sonic fanboy who is trying to wank the Time Eater way higher than he is.
@@Bruhdang-321 while the fall guys can’t throw hands, they definitely can take a hit so it’ll probably be an unstoppable force vs an immovable object situation unless the Imposter has a way to break the fall guy’s defense
I swear the clip for alternate scenario were either unused animations for the fight that needed to cut for time, or changed for scenes to make it fit better as they figure out how to end it.
I can't help but suspect that Moro wanted all of these alternate scenarios to occur for an immensely long Death Battle with more of a back-and-forth between Bowser and Eggman, but the sheer length and scope was beyond sanity to animate.
@joshuakim5240 If I remember correctly, according to Morø, he just wanted to do these alternate scenarios as an excuse to animate things that didn't happen in the fight
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 How isn't Dreamy Bowser canon? Also, Dreamy Bowser can wish people out of existence, he just didn't do it because Princess Peach and Starlow used magic to prevent him from doing so.
This was a MONSTER of an episode and these extra animations are one of the many reasons why, but I would LOVE if they did these again in the future! Such a clever addition to the show's formula. One of the best episodes in the show's history fr 🔥
Death battle has gone all out with the last 2 episodes. Bowser vs. eggman is now in my top 3 favorite episodes of all time. I'm a fan of both mario and Sonic, so im not really mad at the results of this one, and im glad they did bowser justice from his last fight with ganon. And i like these alternative scenarios. It would've been cool to see one with eggman & eggman nega using the egg wizard vs bowser and paper bowser
So you like battles that are biased and don't call the actual winner? Bowser is Universal at BEST. Eggman's basic mechs scale to Multiversal. Should have been a clean sweep for Eggman and everyone with 5 brain cells knows it. Even Death Battle.
@matthewcarreras1904 neat, its canon and they even say so in the pre-fight analysis then just refuse to use those feats at all. Bowser gets turned to turtle soup. Easy.
Anyone else think the reason the conclusion is so much more complex is because of the backlash they got for not explaining their decision better in Omni-Man vs Bardock
@@Yuh_zhimmysonic fans say he was "nerfed" because they didn't use Metal Overlord (who completely rebelled against his creator) or time eater but people have to understand that just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean they weren't considered
0:22 This is actually Nightmare Eggman, a form from the game Sonic Dream Team! He used Nightmare Fuel which he gathered from the dreams of Cream The Rabbit to transform into what you see here!
Glad Bowser has some easy way of stopping the metal virus instead of hopelessly watching it transform his entire army into mindless zombots. Would definitely be depressing if Junior succumbed to it
Yeah. Magic is just science when it has became beyond comprehension. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Not only that but Science is also bounded by rules. Laws of physics anyone? However with magic their capabilities are limitless and beyond one’s imagination
@@no_0riginality937well like someone wise above said, the gems and emeralds are all magic. There isn’t really a scientific way to explain how egg-man exited white space which is basically non existence. Although I could produce two theories
Say what you will about how accurate these Alternate Scenarios are, but you have to admit that they look extremely cool (especially Dreamy Bowser vs Time Eater)
I love trying to break down the respective armies to see which generals could counter which. Like, what would Eggman's forces do against a powered up Tubba Blubba? They don't know his one weakness, so he's basically invincible! Sure, a super form could probably take him out, but not before he tears through a large chunk of Eggman's foot soldiers to warrant Metal's attention.
@hackerninjaexe5791 Not really because the creator was on interview and the person ask is paper mario and mario are same like like, he says yes like mickey mouse And the fact in every paper marioz they always bring up past mario stuff that bring up mario 30th anniversary And there a page of mario of going back In time and meet his pixel self And the fact and in paper mario when the dimentio is a villian, the story open up a book which it's clearly just there for style, which is something that's consistent with the series anyways If you wanna want to go in to this, there a person details that every mario character literally word for word
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 not really that’s basically author fallacy considering he counted Mickey Mouse of all people and yet the mouse has verisons of himself so that’s unreliable to be honest And that it just basically only applies in paper Mario world the events in that world is remains relatively the same as mainline Mario but paper themed
I just want to get everybody's opinion on this. Could the Time Eater disable the pure hearts like how one of them was originally turned to stone? Cause I've been thinking about the scenarios and I feel like he could play a much bigger role most of the time, really only losing to the 3 big power ups Bowser has(Wonder Flower, potentially Dream Stone, Star Rod). This goes especially because the state of the world after the void consumed it, is surprisingly similar to the White Space from generations.
One of the black box popups mentioned that the pure hearts could counter time eater because they've stopped a similar dimension destroying force, the chaos heart in the past, The pure heart that was turned to stone was on it's own, whereas here, the pure hearts would be all together and charged by the loyalty of Bowser's army,
@@viciosgamer6930 Lightmans memory manipulation is not perfect, it takes time to act up and it can't entirely shift ones personallity, it moreso changes their perception of events in their life with added or removed elements. Its basically something that takes time to act up and requires pre planning and knowing the history of their target. Otherwise its just inducing a really good suggestion rather than actually full blown mind control. Plus both sides have access to mind control tools. The sonic colors mind control ray would be easier to use than lightmans memory manipulation. But like, bowser could wish for his army to have immunity to mind control, he could destroy the mind control ray, there is so much stuff he could do once he noticed his troops were starting to betray him.
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
@@deeshow14221. Paper and Bowser are the same person. Their speech in PJ was like Bowser talking with himself in front of mirror (Their stats in PJ are the same) 2. Star rod Either from paper mario, and either from mario party 5.
In the post-battle analysis, certain sections will have these scenarios (one during the powers section and three during the trump cards section). I doubt we will see full versions of them sadly.
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
I loved the fight but was severely disappointed that Time Eater didn't show up at all. Imagine if after the "KO" the Time Eater interrupts the ending and reverts the fight before Bowser beat Eggman and we had a full Time Eater vs Dreamy Bowser battle? even if it doesn't change the outcome it would have been sick!
Wait, if Dreamy Bowser could wish the Time Eater out of existence, why didn’t he do it with Mario and Luigi? (Edit: I'm not accepting plot armor as an answer)
While the last scenario was labled Chaos emeralds vs Grand stars; it was actually Nightmare eggman from Sonic dream team (apple arcade exclusive, which i think Sucks that it's locked behind a continuous paywall and not purchasable to own like other sonic games) vs Bowser with Star/dream rod from back in the first Paper mario game.
They also forgot the scenario where bowser goes into his fury(the one from inside story which boosts damage output and input) then has the shyguy squad launch him to one shot the death egg robo and the dragoon
Junior could just use Paperize to stop time and manipulate the existence of the area caught in the album. He could remove the Death Egg's Laser Beam after using Paperize.
Good thing they didn't use Archie Eggman He would've wiped out the entire Mario universe since that version is capable of insane things from stopping time to designating matter in an instant to casually traveling to alternate realities, and that's all without the Neo Genesis Wave.
@@Baldy_McNosehairand that actually the Mario kun verse at least the adaptations of the games is weaker than mainline Mario games and spin offs since most of adaptations don’t really follow up the lore of the games
@@FluppietheRockruffFan So? Archie Sonic also left his own comic and even stole his Author's pen but he never killed him since why would he do lmao? Also leaving from manga counted in Toon Force/Gag Feats not cosmology and Archie Sonic have those gag and toon force feats too. He even had fate manipulation that no matter how much you fight fate always bends over Sonic.
I think they got phantom Ruby and wonder flower confused because the Wonder flower can alter your surroundings but they are right with the Wonder flower turning you into something but the phantom Ruby can summon a fake sun and illusions that feel real also the time meter was defeated by modern super Sonic and classic super Sonic while dreamy Bowser was defeated by base form Mario and Luigi and in Sonic dream team eggman has something similar to the dreamstone call the dream orb which can do anything that the dreamstone can also I know this is off topic but imagine if Mario and Sonic helped
Dreamy Bowser lost to base forms because Mario consistently fights amped versions of Bowser, such as the Sticker Crown Bowser, Star Rod Bowser, Black Bowser, Shrowser, Bowletta, Dreamy Bowser, ShinyRobo Bowser & Bowser with that big Power Star at the end of SM64. Mario usually fights Bowser after just enduring a full adventure, and he also fights opponents often that stomped Bowser, that boss in Superstar Saga that wanted a hundred coins from you, and he also gets defeated by Mario in TTYD after he just fought two fights in the Glitz Pit and another time after Mario just fought Grodus and was also sided with Kammy Koopa, the list of why Mario is usually portrayed as far superior to Bowser goes on. All of these show that Mario scaling to the amped forms of Bowser is by no means illogical. Him fighting Fury Bowser wouldn't count as he needed Giga Cat form to beat Fury Bowser and Fury Bowser is much bigger than Base Mario. I know Sonic can defeat Perfect Chaos in base form but Perfect Chaos is from Adventure Era. Adventure Era does not have Solaris or Egg Salamander Scaling. Sonic also consistently relies on super forms to fight strongest villains like Solaris, The End, Time Eater and Egg Wizard. While Mario can defeat Dimentio in base form, Base Dimentio surpassed a tremor from The Void. He merely snapped his fingers without malicious intent, and his tremor shook Castle Bleck harder than all the tremors The Void caused; we know he was holding back because he didn't want to hurt Luigi; he needed him.
Pretty sure transmutation magic won't work on the Metal Virus, since Only 2 things can stop it, 2 Super Forms and the Warp Topaz COMBINED WITH CHAOS CONTROL, and Super Speed but that even gets nerfed thanks to the metal virus evolving at a alarming rate.
eggman using power of his own games (don"t use eggwizard that destroy multiverse (complex multiverse) or any of fleetway like master esmerald Bowser using PAPER MARIO GAMES MARIO PARTY TO WIN
I love how they said the Wonder Flower could beat Light Man even though Light Man was scaled to Super Sonic who scales wayyyy above Universal which is what the flower should be at max. Also, Sage being able to calculate millions of possibilities couldnt calculate Bowser being stronger than Neo Metal, or was caught off guard by Kamek? Kamek??
Light man only destroy planted according to the feat, we don’t measure by comparing them one to another is basically unclear to as is it and we can only expect on feat to measure most. Like Darkside defeated the justices league many time including superman, only to be afraid and kneel to superman in that one comic which is really stupid to even know Sage can calculate millions of possibilities and said to be impossible only to be proven wrong by sonic, Ai can never be 100% right cause many time they also got proven wrong like playing chess
Yeah, but Sage was proven wrong by Sonic. In the Archie Comics, Sonic was so closely linked to Chaos Energy (the "magic" of Sonic's universe, which effectively governs the capabilities of the Emeralds), that Sonic at base could break probability. It took Eggman in that universe initiating a full Infinite Crisis reboot (known as the Genesis Wave) to nerf him, and ultimately had survived another Genesis Wave after Sonic beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic also broke Sage's analytical results in a similar manner.@@nhile8088
Light Man has Planet level range only. Even then the PR is not resisting being poofed out of him or stolen. And like they said. The Wonder Flower has way too much power to it. Don't even act like Mario ain't Universal bruh 😂
@@Running9750 I mean, the PR is actually more powerful than is suggested, but it's definitely is better hands with other members of Eggman's army, like Sage. The PR controls virtual reality, and while it's not the same as objective reality (which is what the Wonder Flower rewrites), it's capable of summoning perfect copies of anyone the bearer wishes to summon, and can summon an unlimited number of them according to Infinite. With Sage capable of controlling Cyberspace, it feels kind of stupid to not put the PR on her. She practically could supplant Bowser's army up until Chance Time happened at the very least.
It seems strange to me that in the alternative endings they had not put Eggman's most powerful mecha like the egg salamander and the egg wizard, and that in the alternative endings Bowser had the grand stars and the dream stone, which are spin-offs of mario... death battle didn't want to take those mechas into account or did they forget?.
Almost all the time, I skip all the yapping when it comes to character discussion unless it's someone I genuinely want to know a little more about, so it was pretty much the same with this video. But it's cool nonetheless learning about this.
Their are alot of other factors they never took into account. The ruby doesn't just warp reality aginst other people it can also buff them. Eggman can use infinte to makes the metal vrius stronger. Or make copies of his strongest creations that are just as powerful as the orginal. Imagine he did that for super neo metal or metal overlord. Not only that but that wasn't even his strongest death egg robot. The one in forces had the ruby built into its body and created null space easily.
Bowser army cant betray him due to how mush respect they have ( yes its canon ) The métal virus can corupt the soul mean hé cant beatray them + kamek Can also do most of that
It’s not a coincidence at all, the alternative scenario matches with what Wizz and Boomstick are saying, and what they are saying is that Bowser had a lot of counters that were unused on Eggman
I’m still wondering why they didn’t talk about eggman getting all sonic copy bots to jump bowser while the rest of the troops deal with the rest of bowsers squad bowser would be to occupied by getting jumped by Neo metal sonic all 3 mecha Sonics (super mecha sonic) etc plus metal overlord and technically Neo metal sonic has chaos control and technically they could’ve counted shadow(all tho only the times he’s shown working for the docter) and chaos
1. I disagree with the Time Eater losing to Dreamy Bowser since Time Eater has way better feats. 2. I disagree with the Chaos Emeralds losing to the Grand Stars since the Chaos Emeralds have consistent feats of taking on universal to multiversal beings. So I don't think some wish granting wand wins. 3. The Phantom Ruby literally made Infinite WAY powerful than Solaris. So I think that a universal reality Warping flower would help.
Time Eater's best feat is destroying a timeline over time. And the way it does it isn't in one go. Time Eater had to go to the past and erase the past. And go to the present to erase that. In Sonadow Generations Eggman stated it would destroy the timeline over time. Dreamy Bowser far surpasses this since the Dream Stone held all the dreams on the island that are infinite in size. Making a dream in Mario Universal. Which makes the Dream Stone Multi. Dreamy Bowser also can wish away the Time Eater no problem. Time Eater has no resistance to any hax that isn't Time Manipulation.
The Chaos Emeralds are only Uni+ at best. Since they scale to Egg Wizard and Solaris. The Grand Stars are Universal too but they're also more plentiful. Meaning Bowser can amp himself with as many of them as he wants. Which can surpass the Emeralds via multipliers.
Infinite being more stronger than Solaris is a huge misnomer. He lacks at feats or narrative equivalence outside of a one-time statement from a guidebook that he is. And any sane scaler damn well knows Base Sonic doesn't get stronger he's always been that strong. This assumes Base Sonic can beat Solaris which is all levels of logistical and mental gymnastics. Same Sonic that was threatened by an attack by Emerl that would've IN CONTEXT killed the entire cast if went through.
@@Running9750 the thing is time eater has history manipulation which basically counters dreamy bowser wishing manipulation And that dreamy bowser is actually featless compared to time eater since he’s only stated he has wish manipulation but that’s about it in the fight he hasn’t shown anything that effects mutiversal territory heck even the dreams themselves aren’t even meant to be infinte in size As it’s just dream manipulation and wishing manipulation at best
Eggman would’ve tooken this if they 1. Gave him prep, 2. Actually gave him all his machines without just saying “uh w-well THIS form of bowser can beat time eater because we said so” or 3. Didn’t nerf the ever loving shit out of eggmans robots. (Ahem all of his sonic robots ahem). And no, just because classic man D said that it was accurate doesn’t mean it’s true. The guy barely powerscales at all.
Bruh they are seriously doing Amongus Vs Fall Guys after this naw I got a better Death Battle Idea, Absolute Viruses. Cyn | Murder Drones VS Malware | Ben 10
Time Eater: Bowser, it's been 5 years, you still owe me $16.
Bowser: Fuck off.
“Keep waiting b*tch”
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775bro I was just trying to tell a simple joke, just fuck off.
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 How isn't Dreamy Bowser canon? Also, Dreamy Bowser can wish people out of existence, he just didn't do it because Princess Peach and Starlow used magic to prevent him from doing so.
@@deeshow1422 for the sake of your own sanity, do not engage with him. He's clearly a Sonic fanboy who is trying to wank the Time Eater way higher than he is.
You know this ep feel like the first goku VS Superman level of special this fellt like a season finalle
And the next battle is fall guys vs among us...
How did we go from peak to whatever the heck is that matchup?
@Briandavin-321 and by the look of the trailer it seems it will be more then one from each combatant
@majosmajos6822 yeah but can fall guys throw hands? Or will it be prey vs predator type fight?
@@Bruhdang-321I'm more worried about how they're going to analyze each character feats. They're two online games, with no lore or anything.
@@Bruhdang-321 while the fall guys can’t throw hands, they definitely can take a hit so it’ll probably be an unstoppable force vs an immovable object situation unless the Imposter has a way to break the fall guy’s defense
I swear the clip for alternate scenario were either unused animations for the fight that needed to cut for time, or changed for scenes to make it fit better as they figure out how to end it.
I don’t see any of them fitting in with the actual battle, so I don’t really see them originally being in the battle.
MORØ confirmed in the Q&A that those were just extra animations he adddd himself, they were not even in the storyboards, this was all MORØ
@thisisanickname231 MORØ ANIMATED IT?!? OMG
Who is MORØ?
@@estrelaplatinada6506 The animator of this battle.
Dreamy Bowser punching Time Eater into nonexistence goes so incredibly hard.
Imagine Adventures End playing in the background
I can't help but suspect that Moro wanted all of these alternate scenarios to occur for an immensely long Death Battle with more of a back-and-forth between Bowser and Eggman, but the sheer length and scope was beyond sanity to animate.
@joshuakim5240 If I remember correctly, according to Morø, he just wanted to do these alternate scenarios as an excuse to animate things that didn't happen in the fight
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 How isn't Dreamy Bowser canon? Also, Dreamy Bowser can wish people out of existence, he just didn't do it because Princess Peach and Starlow used magic to prevent him from doing so.
This was a MONSTER of an episode and these extra animations are one of the many reasons why, but I would LOVE if they did these again in the future! Such a clever addition to the show's formula. One of the best episodes in the show's history fr 🔥
Death battle has gone all out with the last 2 episodes. Bowser vs. eggman is now in my top 3 favorite episodes of all time. I'm a fan of both mario and Sonic, so im not really mad at the results of this one, and im glad they did bowser justice from his last fight with ganon. And i like these alternative scenarios. It would've been cool to see one with eggman & eggman nega using the egg wizard vs bowser and paper bowser
So you like battles that are biased and don't call the actual winner?
Bowser is Universal at BEST. Eggman's basic mechs scale to Multiversal. Should have been a clean sweep for Eggman and everyone with 5 brain cells knows it. Even Death Battle.
@CrashBanooca-d7n basic mechs being multiversal is a horrendous amount of Glaze for him.
@matthewcarreras1904 neat, its canon and they even say so in the pre-fight analysis then just refuse to use those feats at all.
Bowser gets turned to turtle soup. Easy.
@CrashBanooca-d7n Sonic fans and Dragon ball fans are alike in the sense they can't take a loss for shit.
@matthewcarreras1904 don't compare me to those filthy again. Death battle contradicts their own numbers
i really love this episode this, this takes the spot of my top favorite fights in death battle
Anyone else think the reason the conclusion is so much more complex is because of the backlash they got for not explaining their decision better in Omni-Man vs Bardock
Even with their “better” reasoning and research in this death battle, the outcome could’ve still been Eggman if they didn’t nerf him to high hell.
There was no explaining that, they half assed the scaling for Bardock lol
Shut up dbz fan @@KrypticX27
@@Yuh_zhimmy No one sane enough is going to buy Sonic wank my guy. Get over it
@@Yuh_zhimmysonic fans say he was "nerfed" because they didn't use Metal Overlord (who completely rebelled against his creator) or time eater but people have to understand that just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean they weren't considered
0:22
This is actually Nightmare Eggman, a form from the game Sonic Dream Team! He used Nightmare Fuel which he gathered from the dreams of Cream The Rabbit to transform into what you see here!
I believe that's also the Star Rod of Paper Mario there
I really hope they keep doing these little alternate scenario animations in future battles
Glad Bowser has some easy way of stopping the metal virus instead of hopelessly watching it transform his entire army into mindless zombots. Would definitely be depressing if Junior succumbed to it
The difference between Magic and Science, anything science can do, Magic can do better.
Science need reason, Magic doesn't.
I mean most of Eggman's stuff is tech but shit the Chaos Emeralds and Phantom Ruby are basically just magic too
Yeah. Magic is just science when it has became beyond comprehension.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Not only that but Science is also bounded by rules. Laws of physics anyone?
However with magic their capabilities are limitless and beyond one’s imagination
@@no_0riginality937well like someone wise above said, the gems and emeralds are all magic.
There isn’t really a scientific way to explain how egg-man exited white space which is basically non existence. Although I could produce two theories
"Clearly this is getting fairly abstract"
twenty-armed giant nightmare eggman
_You don't say..._
Say what you will about how accurate these Alternate Scenarios are, but you have to admit that they look extremely cool (especially Dreamy Bowser vs Time Eater)
I liked that they added those alternate scenarios..! That is perfect!👍
Correction:
1. Transmutation Magic/Metal Virus
2. Wonder Flower/Phantom Ruby
3. Dream Stones/Time Eater
4. Star Rod/Nightmare Fuel
Wait a minute how can a Bob-Omb get infected by the Metal Virus?
Wait....
Right, why!?
Presumably the same reason Shadow can.
It probably can't, but since it would have been useless anyway, they just showed it happening to be safe.
In Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door, a female Bomb-Omb actually got sick and even die from illness, so yeah apparently Bom-Omb can get sick.
Robots should be immune, also Dry Bones and Boos so the undead creatures too. Literal rocks like Thwomps should not be affected either.
They should have made this the 200th episode to compensate the Mario vs sonic rematch being the 100th episode
I love trying to break down the respective armies to see which generals could counter which. Like, what would Eggman's forces do against a powered up Tubba Blubba? They don't know his one weakness, so he's basically invincible! Sure, a super form could probably take him out, but not before he tears through a large chunk of Eggman's foot soldiers to warrant Metal's attention.
Man, i would like SOOOOOOO MUCH see a full épisode of this alternative scénario 😮😢...
Isn’t that last alternate scenario one where Bowser uses the Star Rod from the original Paper Mario?
Possible since paper mario and mario was confirm to be same by the creator
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 not that that was ever even a question before sticker star.
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442that was author fallacy there and paper jam kinda debunks that
@hackerninjaexe5791
Not really because the creator was on interview and the person ask is paper mario and mario are same like like, he says yes like mickey mouse
And the fact in every paper marioz they always bring up past mario stuff that bring up mario 30th anniversary
And there a page of mario of going back In time and meet his pixel self
And the fact and in paper mario when the dimentio is a villian, the story open up a book which it's clearly just there for style, which is something that's consistent with the series anyways
If you wanna want to go in to this, there a person details that every mario character literally word for word
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 not really that’s basically author fallacy considering he counted Mickey Mouse of all people and yet the mouse has verisons of himself so that’s unreliable to be honest
And that it just basically only applies in paper Mario world the events in that world is remains relatively the same as mainline Mario but paper themed
I feel like it was a slight missed opportunity to pit Nightmare Eggman against Dreamy Bowser
They literally both come from a game called Dream Team!
Sonic copy Mario concept all the Times, when Mario get 3d Sonic copy it too
@@nicolaseduardo5883 Sonic Lost World is considered a ripoff of Mario Galaxy, I can see the reason of why he said Sonic copy Mario's concept.
Honestly i was kinda expecting to see mettalix or mecha sonic to help out in eggmans team but neo metal sonic carrying eggmans army goes so hard
I just want to get everybody's opinion on this.
Could the Time Eater disable the pure hearts like how one of them was originally turned to stone? Cause I've been thinking about the scenarios and I feel like he could play a much bigger role most of the time, really only losing to the 3 big power ups Bowser has(Wonder Flower, potentially Dream Stone, Star Rod).
This goes especially because the state of the world after the void consumed it, is surprisingly similar to the White Space from generations.
One of the black box popups mentioned that the pure hearts could counter time eater because they've stopped a similar dimension destroying force, the chaos heart in the past,
The pure heart that was turned to stone was on it's own, whereas here, the pure hearts would be all together and charged by the loyalty of Bowser's army,
@hyperfairy7779 Could lightman's Memory manipulation negate that? I get the impression they wouldn't be so easy to restore.
@@viciosgamer6930 Lightmans memory manipulation is not perfect, it takes time to act up and it can't entirely shift ones personallity, it moreso changes their perception of events in their life with added or removed elements.
Its basically something that takes time to act up and requires pre planning and knowing the history of their target.
Otherwise its just inducing a really good suggestion rather than actually full blown mind control.
Plus both sides have access to mind control tools.
The sonic colors mind control ray would be easier to use than lightmans memory manipulation.
But like, bowser could wish for his army to have immunity to mind control, he could destroy the mind control ray, there is so much stuff he could do once he noticed his troops were starting to betray him.
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
Nah
I think that last scene was not about the Grand Star but it was about the Star Rod?
Yeah I just checked, you’re right.
But wait, aren't Bowser and Paper Bowser two different people? This means that Bowser COULDN'T use the Star Rod because they are not the same person.
@@deeshow1422 se supone que paper mario cuentan historias de mario lo que paper mario vivió mario original también claro hasta cierto punto
@@deeshow14221. Paper and Bowser are the same person. Their speech in PJ was like Bowser talking with himself in front of mirror (Their stats in PJ are the same)
2. Star rod Either from paper mario, and either from mario party 5.
Is there a way I can watch the Alternate scenarios?
In the post-battle analysis, certain sections will have these scenarios (one during the powers section and three during the trump cards section).
I doubt we will see full versions of them sadly.
@@EvilSuperFella200would’ve loved to see the dream bowser vs Time Eater
Reisen fumo
These were just bonus animations the animator decided to make for the analysis
dreamy bowser isnt canon and isnt even on par with time eater, dream stones literally are on multiversal scale proofen by the fact that it contains only 100.000 universes so dreamy bowser is only multiversal, there is NO WAY he defeats time eater who Destroyed space-time on a scale encompassing all of reality / "all of space-time", which includes a multiverse consisting of innumerable, potentially infinite number of universes, as well as Maginaryworld, a infinite conglomeration 5-D constructs. Can manipulate the entire superimposing Hypertimeline that encompasses the rest of the cosmology. Fought with Modern and Classic Super Sonic at their full power, signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy, and could repel them even while they were using the Super Sonic Boost. heck hes even higher with Sun Burst when he Clashed with a Double Super Sonic Boost from Classic and Modern Super Sonic at the SAME TIME!. you cant tell me death battle is accurate with clear evidences showing that they are not, there is also the massive speed gap between them but this is enough to debunk their video
I love this alternate scenario
It's almost like they took the Deadliest Warrior approach and ran the fight a thousand times!
Last one was Star Rod and Nightmare Eggman
nightmare eggman and dreamy bowser are probably tied in power because of how they both can manifest things in reality
I loved the fight but was severely disappointed that Time Eater didn't show up at all. Imagine if after the "KO" the Time Eater interrupts the ending and reverts the fight before Bowser beat Eggman and we had a full Time Eater vs Dreamy Bowser battle? even if it doesn't change the outcome it would have been sick!
Bowser had magic
Eggman had science
Anything science can do, magic can do better and more
Wait, if Dreamy Bowser could wish the Time Eater out of existence, why didn’t he do it with Mario and Luigi?
(Edit: I'm not accepting plot armor as an answer)
@@deeshow1422 plot
@@EvilSuperFella200i mean, Mario and bowser are actually frenemies, Bowser isn’t pure evil of course
Mario and Luigi are just built different
Because of the Dream Stone being broken
He was about to do it but Peach and other character (dont remember his/her name) stopped it.
I still love this idea hopefully they do these more in the future
0:19 this is actually Nightmare Eggman vs the Star Rod
While the last scenario was labled Chaos emeralds vs Grand stars; it was actually Nightmare eggman from Sonic dream team (apple arcade exclusive, which i think Sucks that it's locked behind a continuous paywall and not purchasable to own like other sonic games) vs Bowser with Star/dream rod from back in the first Paper mario game.
Nightmare Eggman and Lightman Eggman are great, I wish we could see Eggman transforming more often.... It's cool
Can transmutation really reverse the effects of a zombie virus whether it might be
Who thinks should be a tie?
They also forgot the scenario where bowser goes into his fury(the one from inside story which boosts damage output and input) then has the shyguy squad launch him to one shot the death egg robo and the dragoon
@@KGKSkull where was that one?
@ not one they showed but one that is a very strong possibility
You also forgot the one where Bowser lands Broogi Bonker
@@freemanthedelphox6249while that move is strong, shy squad is more powerful for single targeting since its using bowser himself so yeah
what if... Sage just fired twice?
Junior could just use Paperize to stop time and manipulate the existence of the area caught in the album. He could remove the Death Egg's Laser Beam after using Paperize.
Super Eggman is now cannon
He was always canon, lol
@SashaTheGun yeah thx to crap death battle doesn't use super Eggman to fight boswer
Good thing they didn't use Archie Eggman
He would've wiped out the entire Mario universe since that version is capable of insane things from stopping time to designating matter in an instant to casually traveling to alternate realities, and that's all without the Neo Genesis Wave.
Then they would also have to use the Mario Kun manga, where almost everything is gag related, fourth wall breaking and defeating your own author stuff
@@jeanduresau Yeah but Archie Cosmology scales higher than Mario-Kun cosmology
@@Baldy_McNosehairand that actually the Mario kun verse at least the adaptations of the games is weaker than mainline Mario games and spin offs since most of adaptations don’t really follow up the lore of the games
@@Baldy_McNosehair Bro....Mario-Kun Bowser left their own manga and KILLED THE CREATOR
@@FluppietheRockruffFan So?
Archie Sonic also left his own comic and even stole his Author's pen but he never killed him since why would he do lmao?
Also leaving from manga counted in Toon Force/Gag Feats not cosmology and Archie Sonic have those gag and toon force feats too.
He even had fate manipulation that no matter how much you fight fate always bends over Sonic.
wait... aren't bomb ombs basically made of metal?
Depends on the continuity
I think they got phantom Ruby and wonder flower confused because the Wonder flower can alter your surroundings but they are right with the Wonder flower turning you into something but the phantom Ruby can summon a fake sun and illusions that feel real also the time meter was defeated by modern super Sonic and classic super Sonic while dreamy Bowser was defeated by base form Mario and Luigi and in Sonic dream team eggman has something similar to the dreamstone call the dream orb which can do anything that the dreamstone can also I know this is off topic but imagine if Mario and Sonic helped
Dreamy Bowser lost to base forms because Mario consistently fights amped versions of Bowser, such as the Sticker Crown Bowser, Star Rod Bowser, Black Bowser, Shrowser, Bowletta, Dreamy Bowser, ShinyRobo Bowser & Bowser with that big Power Star at the end of SM64. Mario usually fights Bowser after just enduring a full adventure, and he also fights opponents often that stomped Bowser, that boss in Superstar Saga that wanted a hundred coins from you, and he also gets defeated by Mario in TTYD after he just fought two fights in the Glitz Pit and another time after Mario just fought Grodus and was also sided with Kammy Koopa, the list of why Mario is usually portrayed as far superior to Bowser goes on. All of these show that Mario scaling to the amped forms of Bowser is by no means illogical.
Him fighting Fury Bowser wouldn't count as he needed Giga Cat form to beat Fury Bowser and Fury Bowser is much bigger than Base Mario. I know Sonic can defeat Perfect Chaos in base form but Perfect Chaos is from Adventure Era. Adventure Era does not have Solaris or Egg Salamander Scaling. Sonic also consistently relies on super forms to fight strongest villains like Solaris, The End, Time Eater and Egg Wizard. While Mario can defeat Dimentio in base form, Base Dimentio surpassed a tremor from The Void. He merely snapped his fingers without malicious intent, and his tremor shook Castle Bleck harder than all the tremors The Void caused; we know he was holding back because he didn't want to hurt Luigi; he needed him.
Moro Nighteye is the animator goat
Pretty sure transmutation magic won't work on the Metal Virus, since Only 2 things can stop it, 2 Super Forms and the Warp Topaz COMBINED WITH CHAOS CONTROL, and Super Speed but that even gets nerfed thanks to the metal virus evolving at a alarming rate.
How magic Cannot transform them too into frog?
Ngl the emeralds easily wipe out the grandstar in my opinion
Fr.
eggman using power of his own games (don"t use eggwizard that destroy multiverse (complex multiverse) or any of fleetway like master esmerald
Bowser using PAPER MARIO GAMES MARIO PARTY TO WIN
I love how they said the Wonder Flower could beat Light Man even though Light Man was scaled to Super Sonic who scales wayyyy above Universal which is what the flower should be at max.
Also, Sage being able to calculate millions of possibilities couldnt calculate Bowser being stronger than Neo Metal, or was caught off guard by Kamek? Kamek??
Light man only destroy planted according to the feat, we don’t measure by comparing them one to another is basically unclear to as is it and we can only expect on feat to measure most. Like Darkside defeated the justices league many time including superman, only to be afraid and kneel to superman in that one comic which is really stupid to even know
Sage can calculate millions of possibilities and said to be impossible only to be proven wrong by sonic, Ai can never be 100% right cause many time they also got proven wrong like playing chess
Yeah, but Sage was proven wrong by Sonic. In the Archie Comics, Sonic was so closely linked to Chaos Energy (the "magic" of Sonic's universe, which effectively governs the capabilities of the Emeralds), that Sonic at base could break probability. It took Eggman in that universe initiating a full Infinite Crisis reboot (known as the Genesis Wave) to nerf him, and ultimately had survived another Genesis Wave after Sonic beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic also broke Sage's analytical results in a similar manner.@@nhile8088
Game Super Sonic is not multiversal.
Light Man has Planet level range only. Even then the PR is not resisting being poofed out of him or stolen. And like they said. The Wonder Flower has way too much power to it. Don't even act like Mario ain't Universal bruh 😂
@@Running9750 I mean, the PR is actually more powerful than is suggested, but it's definitely is better hands with other members of Eggman's army, like Sage.
The PR controls virtual reality, and while it's not the same as objective reality (which is what the Wonder Flower rewrites), it's capable of summoning perfect copies of anyone the bearer wishes to summon, and can summon an unlimited number of them according to Infinite. With Sage capable of controlling Cyberspace, it feels kind of stupid to not put the PR on her. She practically could supplant Bowser's army up until Chance Time happened at the very least.
I wished they used shadow androids
Wish there was one where Kamek just stole Metal Sonic
Like gg
Chance Time backfiring would have been a hilarious alternative scenario.
@@starempresshel1211
God, it would
@@ale-xsantos1078 oh yeah most certainly
It seems strange to me that in the alternative endings they had not put Eggman's most powerful mecha like the egg salamander and the egg wizard, and that in the alternative endings Bowser had the grand stars and the dream stone, which are spin-offs of mario... death battle didn't want to take those mechas into account or did they forget?.
If i has to guess to why they don’t include those, it was probably budget and timings
Because then Bowser would lose if they brought it up 🤷
Hmm not really
The spinoffs are actually canon
This episode felt a tiny bit biased towards Bowser. I mean we didn't get even one scenario in which Eggman wins.
Boo. Death battle scaled that fight so bad. Egg man wins most of the time. But Moro did animate good.
Nice opinion
Moro did say metal can kill the army himself. And also infinite survived king boo
Almost all the time, I skip all the yapping when it comes to character discussion unless it's someone I genuinely want to know a little more about, so it was pretty much the same with this video. But it's cool nonetheless learning about this.
Their are alot of other factors they never took into account. The ruby doesn't just warp reality aginst other people it can also buff them. Eggman can use infinte to makes the metal vrius stronger. Or make copies of his strongest creations that are just as powerful as the orginal. Imagine he did that for super neo metal or metal overlord. Not only that but that wasn't even his strongest death egg robot. The one in forces had the ruby built into its body and created null space easily.
Bowser got star rod
Bowser army cant betray him due to how mush respect they have ( yes its canon )
The métal virus can corupt the soul mean hé cant beatray them + kamek Can also do most of that
Bowser's army have multiple ways of resisting the metal virus + stealing the ruby (Easiest way is through Kamek's magic)
@@alperenylmaz9303 Read the G1 blog post on why that's unlikely. Removing metal virus yes, but stealing the Ruby highly unlikely
Cope
What a coincidence, every single scenario gives Bowser the W.
And then people say that the DB team do their homework😮💨
It’s not a coincidence at all, the alternative scenario matches with what Wizz and Boomstick are saying, and what they are saying is that Bowser had a lot of counters that were unused on Eggman
I’m still wondering why they didn’t talk about eggman getting all sonic copy bots to jump bowser while the rest of the troops deal with the rest of bowsers squad bowser would be to occupied by getting jumped by Neo metal sonic all 3 mecha Sonics (super mecha sonic) etc plus metal overlord and technically Neo metal sonic has chaos control and technically they could’ve counted shadow(all tho only the times he’s shown working for the docter) and chaos
... Super mecha sonic it's Very, very ,very weak
@@jeanoliveira9386I’d Rather just let them Use Metal Overlord-
1. I disagree with the Time Eater losing to Dreamy Bowser since Time Eater has way better feats.
2. I disagree with the Chaos Emeralds losing to the Grand Stars since the Chaos Emeralds have consistent feats of taking on universal to multiversal beings. So I don't think some wish granting wand wins.
3. The Phantom Ruby literally made Infinite WAY powerful than Solaris. So I think that a universal reality Warping flower would help.
Solaris is way more powerful than the fraud of Infinite, and Time Eater doesn't have any feats of resisting being erased by a wish
Time Eater's best feat is destroying a timeline over time. And the way it does it isn't in one go. Time Eater had to go to the past and erase the past. And go to the present to erase that. In Sonadow Generations Eggman stated it would destroy the timeline over time.
Dreamy Bowser far surpasses this since the Dream Stone held all the dreams on the island that are infinite in size. Making a dream in Mario Universal. Which makes the Dream Stone Multi.
Dreamy Bowser also can wish away the Time Eater no problem. Time Eater has no resistance to any hax that isn't Time Manipulation.
The Chaos Emeralds are only Uni+ at best. Since they scale to Egg Wizard and Solaris. The Grand Stars are Universal too but they're also more plentiful. Meaning Bowser can amp himself with as many of them as he wants. Which can surpass the Emeralds via multipliers.
Infinite being more stronger than Solaris is a huge misnomer. He lacks at feats or narrative equivalence outside of a one-time statement from a guidebook that he is. And any sane scaler damn well knows Base Sonic doesn't get stronger he's always been that strong. This assumes Base Sonic can beat Solaris which is all levels of logistical and mental gymnastics. Same Sonic that was threatened by an attack by Emerl that would've IN CONTEXT killed the entire cast if went through.
@@Running9750 the thing is time eater has history manipulation which basically counters dreamy bowser wishing manipulation
And that dreamy bowser is actually featless compared to time eater since he’s only stated he has wish manipulation but that’s about it in the fight he hasn’t shown anything that effects mutiversal territory heck even the dreams themselves aren’t even meant to be infinte in size
As it’s just dream manipulation and wishing manipulation at best
Man, this is imposible.
Eggman would’ve tooken this if they 1. Gave him prep, 2. Actually gave him all his machines without just saying “uh w-well THIS form of bowser can beat time eater because we said so” or 3. Didn’t nerf the ever loving shit out of eggmans robots. (Ahem all of his sonic robots ahem). And no, just because classic man D said that it was accurate doesn’t mean it’s true. The guy barely powerscales at all.
I agree with most things except prep time
Give anyone prep time and they have a high chance of winning anything
Prep time is BS
Well to be fair they make it clear that Boswer can just turn them into blocks with no reliable way to turn them back.
If Eggman gets prep time then so does Bowser
@@idiot1902 The speed difference of both verses are too much for bowsers hax to matter here.
@@Yuh_zhimmy they calced bowser higher than egg man
Basic magic vs science
Then brawn and magic take the W.
I feel like dreamy Bowser should've been the match to nightmare eggman since both forms exist in dreams
Aint no way these mfers are saying bowser can beat time eater 💀
My thoughts exactly
The dream stone can erase you from existence hell it could be unlimited wishes😂😂
@@kurthenrypaguntalan5078 okay? So can the Time Eater.
@@sacro6379 just read the death battle or watched classicman d
@@sacro6379 i all most forgot the 7 chaos however the star are like infinite amount like its every were in the game from levels to galaxy
Bruh they are seriously doing Amongus Vs Fall Guys after this naw I got a better Death Battle Idea, Absolute Viruses.
Cyn | Murder Drones
VS
Malware | Ben 10
Well you need at least one joke battle every season to balance things out.
@@frostgem8013 oh well I know that I just wasn’t expecting it to be among us and fall guys
@joekool0078 no one was
@@frostgem8013 I honestly thought this seasons joke battle would be Papyrus vs Waluigi
Using trailers the next one is actually kinda debatable somehow. I’m not really big on either but can’t the impostor be calced to multi-planetary?
Easily the most biased battle they've ever done. Utter embarrassment. Hopefully they redo it and do it right.
Not really bias is just that they seen the Mario lore more than Sonic’s and that bowser vs eggman is debatable nowadays
@@hackerninjaexe5791Then biased
some of those are pure cockamamie
Metal virus being spelled away is bs
It’s not, it’s the same way Super Silver took care of it in the comics
@@pol_ia Eggman literally had reality manipulation, what Super Silver had in the comics is beyond what reality manip Bowser and Eggman have
@ No? Super Silver used psychokinesis to send the metal virus to the sun
@@Elio11492reality warping or just manipulate perception?
The only thing I'm annoyed this is not real infinite it's decoy and they bring neo metal sonic the fraud instead of the powerhouses metalix
If they brougth metalix the same thing that hapend on eggman vs Willy whould have hapend
@maximilianofabresbaeza4365 you mean like metal sonic won though willy already killed eggman?
@cupathecreeper4497 yep
@maximilianofabresbaeza4365 ik that might be idiot to say but isn't metalix the most loyal metal sonic verison?
@@maximilianofabresbaeza4365 that he would defend eggman