Note on the cadenzas: While B. didn't write any cadenza for violin in the first movement, he did write a rather special one for piano, pretty lengthy, and written with accompanying timpani (18:06 - error on screen: while Christian Tetzlaff did transcribe this cadenza from piano to violin, which you can check out at ua-cam.com/video/gfCgoCMu-ec/v-deo.html, it was Beethoven who wrote the original one for piano). Beethoven also wrote a cadenza for the third movement (42:15) and two lead-ins to the Rondo at the end of the second movement, of which Barenboim plays the first (33:57). The score for the cadenzas aren't in the public domain, but you can find them here (Henle Verlag): www.henle.de/us/detail/?Title... (select "Look inside"). I couldn't include it for copyright reasons, but you can check at pages 43-51 for the first movement cadenza, pages 74-76 for the third movement cadenza, and pages 82-83 for the two lead-ins to the Rondo. (You might also want to seize the opportunity to take a look at the Preface at page 8 for more information about the creation of this piece).
0:00 I. Allegro, ma non troppo - Cadenza: 18:06 24:11 II. Larghetto - 35:09 III. Rondo. (Allegro) - Cadenza: 42:15 Played by the English Chamber Orchestra and Daniel Barenboim (piano and conducting).
Beethoven wrote the arrangement for some extra money. The arrangement can hardly be justified on artistic merit, as the bow of the violin produces a sustained, horizontal sound, and this cannot be replicated with the piano's hammers striking (and then leaving) the strings inside the instrument, as this produces a sound that begins to decay right from the very beginning of the note. Beethoven clearly had the specific sound of the violin in mind when he wrote the original soaring melodies for this concerto.
Funny, I find it exactly opposite. I am a violinist and this concerto is one of the most uncomfortable (although most beautiful) violin pieces. Instead I find the piano version much more organic for executing.
The 2nd concerto was actually his first, it’s not as majestic but is every bit as musical and has its own charm. I would recommend checking out the cadenza he wrote for the 2nd concerto, which was done much later. Absolutely incredible and perhaps one of his best cadenzas ever written for the piano.
Curiously inconsistent view of the score: orchestral reduction to two staves; piano + part of the orchestral score; piano without the orchestral score...
This just added 8 more years to my life span. Really beatiful
Note on the cadenzas:
While B. didn't write any cadenza for violin in the first movement, he did write a rather special one for piano, pretty lengthy, and written with accompanying timpani (18:06 - error on screen: while Christian Tetzlaff did transcribe this cadenza from piano to violin, which you can check out at ua-cam.com/video/gfCgoCMu-ec/v-deo.html, it was Beethoven who wrote the original one for piano). Beethoven also wrote a cadenza for the third movement (42:15) and two lead-ins to the Rondo at the end of the second movement, of which Barenboim plays the first (33:57).
The score for the cadenzas aren't in the public domain, but you can find them here (Henle Verlag): www.henle.de/us/detail/?Title... (select "Look inside"). I couldn't include it for copyright reasons, but you can check at pages 43-51 for the first movement cadenza, pages 74-76 for the third movement cadenza, and pages 82-83 for the two lead-ins to the Rondo. (You might also want to seize the opportunity to take a look at the Preface at page 8 for more information about the creation of this piece).
What a pity we almost NEVER hear it. THANK YOU, Maestro, for this wonderful performance ♥
0:00 I. Allegro, ma non troppo
- Cadenza: 18:06
24:11 II. Larghetto -
35:09 III. Rondo. (Allegro)
- Cadenza: 42:15
Played by the English Chamber Orchestra and Daniel Barenboim (piano and conducting).
Don't forget to mention Beethoven's own transcription of his 2nd Symphony for Piano, Violin, Cello trio!
I love that trio more than I love the symphony. The audacity is more "in your face" with just the three voices. To me anyways....
I appreciate all the work put into this. Thanks!
You mean by Beethoven?
Beethoven wrote the arrangement for some extra money. The arrangement can hardly be justified on artistic merit, as the bow of the violin produces a sustained, horizontal sound, and this cannot be replicated with the piano's hammers striking (and then leaving) the strings inside the instrument, as this produces a sound that begins to decay right from the very beginning of the note. Beethoven clearly had the specific sound of the violin in mind when he wrote the original soaring melodies for this concerto.
Right! Wasn’t it Clementi who asked for it?
very clever comment
Beethoven generally composed for money.
Maybe, but I have less of an ear for the violin than I do for the piano imitating the violin.
Funny, I find it exactly opposite. I am a violinist and this concerto is one of the most uncomfortable (although most beautiful) violin pieces. Instead I find the piano version much more organic for executing.
Beautiful
The best ever
Bellissimooooo
3:06. 8:05. 44:05
I think Clementi asked B to arrange this for him to publish. I think this is a good performance even though it doesn’t work as a piano piece.
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I knew this existed, but I've never heard it before. It's nice. Better than no. 2, which leaves me cold.
Even beethoven himself though the 2nd concerto wasn't very good.
Glenn Gould found the second concerto to be his favorite, and although i am partial to the first and third, i very much love the b-flat as well
The 2nd concerto was actually his first, it’s not as majestic but is every bit as musical and has its own charm. I would recommend checking out the cadenza he wrote for the 2nd concerto, which was done much later. Absolutely incredible and perhaps one of his best cadenzas ever written for the piano.
18:09 1st Mvt Cadenza
Why you don' t showing us the score of cadenza???
It is explained in the description.
They could not because of copyright reasons.
When was this recorded?
Curiously inconsistent view of the score: orchestral reduction to two staves; piano + part of the orchestral score; piano without the orchestral score...
Effettivamente non regge col pianoforte
Si!
curious...delightful...not nearly as moving as the original
not as good as with the violin.
Not written with piano in mind.
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You mean you don’t like it. Unless you discovered an objective measure that would tell us how good given piece of music is.
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