As both a guitarist and synth player I've learned over the years not to get too attached to your instruments. You are the real instrument that transcends all the others when they break, get lost or stolen, or become obsolete. Have a sort of nomadic attitude for them.
See tame impala Kevin Parker. With a fire he lost a lot of his old synths , but I think he was getting better after that because he had some new ones which also spike more creativity and so on.
One thing that people simply fail to understand is that a midi controller, audio device, and computer with a DAW or Host.... is.....a hardware synth. The output at the 1/4 inch outs of my Focusrite audio device is no different that the 1/4 inch outputs of any hardware synth. The true power of a computer based synth is the ability to layer up any combination of VSTi's and play them simultaneously without the need for extra midi cables, audio leads and power plugs. If we look at each VSTi as a separate "Oscillator" in a larger synth we realize that incredibly complex sounds are possible that hardware could only dream of making.
I really like being able to use something like BeatMaker on iPad to host layers of stuff like a rompler, FM, and/or virtual analog in the mix. Example stuff I did just using iOS synths (except for the added vocals and Cajon on “Post Op”): soundcloud.com/rob-anderson-104336556/post-op-original-song-apr-2019 soundcloud.com/rob-anderson-104336556/interglacial-improv-for-open-mic-on-jan-11
Your right - The real difference is with 'software' synths you are using a general purpose CPU, while with 'hardware' you have single purpose chips (ASICs) or components that are limited in what they can do, and also quite a bit simpler/quicker.
The quality of VSTs over the hardware synths are almost identical and it’s good in musical production point of view but for a performer or an enthusiast, you will never get the same experience and satisfaction you get from playing the real synth, it’s just like this, why we would love to go to a live concert if we can listen to the same song in our media player.
@@williamtopping I'm really convinced that VSTs can immitate exactly the sound of the hardwares, there are VSTs that uses exactly the same algorithm as the hardware so you wouldn't hear any difference at all, if there's any, I believe it's very tolerable or you may need a scope to check that. 😂 Wow, a modular keyboard is a great idea, it would really help a lot of musicians to save plenty of dollars 😀. Imagine, I can layout my keyboard depending on my needs, or just simply replace a specific module for upgrade, no need to buy the entire keyboard, it' just really amazing to think but I don't think it's profitable for any company.
I wish this were true. Then I wouldn't have any hardware at all. The only software synth which sounds like hardware is the old Sylenth1. For many years, the Sylenth1 was also voted the best software synth of the year. The other software synths sound like a sock has covered the speakers. It's not bright and "in your face". I have lots of hardware synths and outboard effects because they sound better, not because of their latency, ease of use and features. Even the effects produce the same muffled sound. You get what you pay for.
@@kian9304 They may use the same algorithms, but no VST can emulate natural components and frequencies from an analog synthesizer. Digital is digital / Analog Is Analog. Try it by yourself - lend an analog synthesizer and compare it with a VST which tries to emulate that. Both variants have very different bandwidths and frequencies.
Embrace it. We live in a fantastic to be a musician, especially a synth/keyboard player. To be able to have vsts that emulate classic synths and create new futuristic synths is just mind boggling. I love booting up my computer DAW and just loosing myself in the plethora of synthesis. At an affordable price too. Love it. Great videos Woody 👏👏👏
You can't underestimate the 'good to go in seconds' on a hardware synth. I had a Korg M3 which took minutes to start up and it was such a pain. I have a Kawai ES8 now and it turns on almost instantly. When I want to play, try a new idea etc I can sit down and do it immediately.
I tried software for live gigs and it wasn’t a great experience. Then I discovered the proper device for the job. iPad. Rock solid, cheap, portable, touch screen really adds to real time control. Some great cheap and free synths available. Works great in combination with hard synths using an external dac/mixer board and a USB hub. Can do some crazy midi control and routing with the right software making hardware and software blur and expanding both.
Absolutely this. I’m just a hobbyist, but I love having my iPad attached to my cheap arranger type keyboard for extra patches and outboard effects. Makes a great light rig to drag to open mic night.
An iPad is fine and offers a lot of reasonably priced synths. A full VST synth on a PC offers much greater variety in the kinds of synths available. Many of my favorite classic synths are not available in iPad format, but are for Windows. I've been gigging with PC soft synths for over 20 years. I've used my iPhone synths in combination too. iOS, Windows, etc. Each can have their own glitches about equal. I use both software & hardware for live gigs. Generally speaking, software wins. I did buy a MODX6 just like the one Woody has, mainly for backup if my software crashes. I also have a couple Korg M1's and other hardware.
You’re insane. iPad isn’t nearly stable enough and you can’t switch sounds easy at all, there’s nothing for live performance. I tried for almo year and it’s just not viable.
Some of those arguments, to me, sound like they are coming from someone with an emotional connection to hardware that attempts to rationalize it. There are generalizations, exaggerations, half trues, and some inaccurate statements. We just have to accept that for the most part, the desire to own hardware is just emotional, and not logical. And in some cases the sad truth is that we have to budget accordingly, even if we might not want to. If someone don’t want to play music on the same device they surf the web, and do their mails, perhaps considering getting a cheap laptop/tablet-hybrid, powered by Atom or similar is a solution. Such computers are often fanless, so they can be used next to the studio computer even when recording audio, if there is a need to have such services near the music making computer. Perhaps one should keep any such services away from the music making environment (except for the occasional tutorial, and then having a separate computer makes it much easier). It can also help to keep the system stable. If one is able to keep the music making computer offline, except for the occasional update, I would recommend that as well, but it does mean that back-ups have to be local, or uploaded from a server/separate computer that doesn’t make a direct connection for the studio computer to the web. Start-up times, well, there are several of synths that have a bit of startup times themselves. And some analog takes several of minutes to warm up. So the idea that the hardware synth is instant isn’t correct, in some cases it almost is, in others, far from it. A modern computer can start up really quickly. And if the goal is to quickly be able to start and just play, there are possible solutions, like the DAW can be put in the auto start scheme, and one can even start a session with instruments loaded as templates, to have the sounds load on start-up (yet again an argument for having a separate music computer, because having the DAW auto start may end up being irritating on ones internet/mail computer). There are software that comes with content similar to the hardware workstation. But Native Instruments with their Kontrol solution is building something that can be used as a workstation, but where the sounds might come from instruments and libraries that offer deeper levels and more realism than would be found in a workstation. Some synths have great interfaces, but many don’t. Several require digging through menus, with an interface that is way behind in terms of usability to a big screen VST. Some uses multi-function controls/softknobs, and Native Instruments NKS offers a similar experience for software synths (there is the VIP software by Akai and the other brands in the same group, as well as Novation’s solutions that also offer similar experience). Latency, depending on the system, may be noticeable with software, but in many cases it isn’t. Even though it probably is higher than on the hardware synth, if it isn’t noticeable, it isn’t noticeable. Sound switching, depending on how it is carried out, however might take longer on the computer, and some workstations lets the notes keep sounding while switching sounds. Hardware is often quite a bit more expensive compared to software, and they can easily drop in price as much or more than a software over time, especially if a newer version is introduced of the hardware, the fact that the software drops to 0% so that the percentage is higher doesn’t matter, it is the loss in actual money value that matters. Hardware can suffer from bugs. Sometimes they are fixed with software updates, other times not. With software fixes usually comes quicker, but it is also easier to move on, and cheaper, compared to having to sell a second hand product with a bug. Sometimes even hardware synths need a re-boot, just like the computer. Bugs and the need to reboot are occurring more often in computer based solutions, for sure. But in most cases it isn’t a big issue. Hardware can break to a state where it can’t be repaired, and that doesn’t have to take decades. So it isn’t given that hardware will last longer than software. And given the higher price of hardware, it is usually cheaper to buy a few replacement softwares over time. I’m a hardware software hybrid person, so I’m not writing this to say that hardware is pointless, because I too like to have hardware. But in most cases there is software counterparts to the hardware that does the same thing, perhaps even better (polyphonic sounds, where the hardware is monophonic, or higher sound quality and more features when it comes to various digital hardware synths). I’ve come to accept that hardware is often about the emotional connection, which perhaps doesn’t justify the price (rarely does). Sometimes it is about the interface, though, but then I’m talking hands on subtractive synthesis (analog or virtual analog), other form of digital synthesis if it exist in software form, will most likely be easier to use with the mouse than digging through menus. One can have endless debates about the sound quality. But I will leave it at; even if software would not do a perfect job, it would in most cases do a good enough job for the sounds to sit in a track (there is the exception with really poor software, but then we are talking about poor software, not some snobby opinion on software from for example Arturia) I would recommend someone that wants to get in to synthesis to get a hardware synth with good hands on controls. For that I would recommend any of the Korg Minilogues (perhaps the XD module, in order to not have to have a mini keyboard, that may not be used), or getting the Studiologic Sledge, that is digital, but offer better polyphony. Both also integrate in a cool way with the Omnisphere software. There are more expensive offerings, that would be even better, but I would not recommend someone starting out to spend a lot on a hardware synth. It is great to have something to touch and play around with, with a lot of dedicated hands on parameters. But when one has learned and understood, sometimes one might forego the hands-on experience for the extended capabilities of software. I would absolutely recommend going down the computer and software route primarily. An iPad could be an alternative to a traditional computer, and here I mean iPad and not tablet in general. For those that stumbled upon the concept of Dawless music making, I would say that should be a side project for someone that also makes music in the computer, as it isn’t very effective and quite expensive. And some of those dawless sequencers are actually computers running inside of a hardware that doesn’t look like a computer. Workstation keyboards are in some cases also computers. Today computers are simply much more effective when it comes to creating and recording music than specialized hardware, and they have been for some time. One thing that I think would help the synth community is for people to accept that a synth is a sound source and a separate way of controlling it. The controlling aspect sometimes is a built in keyboard, but the keyboard only sends signals to trigger the sounds in the sound source, there isn’t a physical trigger like the hammers hitting strings in the piano, it is just a signal. Sometimes the controller part is a midi-in connection on the sound source (software or hardware based, depending on if it is hardware or software), and it could even be a different interface than the piano styled. A synth isn’t an instrument, like an acoustic, where it has to be built in to a unit and there are many advantages to this; The sound source can be so many things, analog, virtual analog, sample based, physical modeling and so on, and it can be in the form of hardware or software (in a computer or tablet). And the controller doesn’t have to look a specific way, it can be piano styled, or grid based, or a ribbon controller, or anything else someone comes up with. And one can even use the same controller for several of different sound sources, if one finds a controller that suits them, whereas one can’t play ones favorite acoustic piano action and combine it with the sound of different brands of acoustic pianos. The controller + sound source in separate units is just as much an instrument as the synth with the sound source and the controller built in to a single unit. Thinking that having separate units, is somehow less of an instrument, could very well lead to misguided purchase decisions. A great interface is a great interface, and hands on controls can be part of that, but when actually playing, often a limited amount of hands on controls are needed, so, a midi controller might very well cover that if it has some programmable ones (the midi controller may then control software or another hardware). In some cases using foot controllers are even better, and the number of synths with built in foot controllers, is almost down to zero. Programming each software with similar parameters to react in a similar matter to the controls, takes less time, than learning where those controls sit on different hardware, and when it comes to soft-knobs, that may require setting it up in the hardware synth as much as it does with the software. If someone thinks an instrument has to be self-contained, they should take up an instrument where that is actually the case, rather than project that idea on to synthesizers, because that simply isn’t true for synthesizers.
I agree with most of what Jon wrote. I've been using software synths for 35 years! And they are still my preference. And unlike most soft synth fans, I'm primarily a live player. My software synths from 35 years ago still work! They were on the Amiga computer from 1985, the first major known computer platform that had software synths. I can run them either original, or emulate my Amiga! However, soft synths have really advanced since then, so it's not something I need to do often. I ran the very first major PC software synths such as Seer System's Reality & Bitheadz AS-1. I still have computers capable of running them, just as you can keep a hardware keyboard from the 90s running. There are plenty of options if you really want to do that. And what's the disadvantage of pulling out an old computer vs an old keyboard? The computer takes up less space! I've been running VSTs since they first came out roughly 20 years ago. And I still run many old ones even on computers that can run Windows 10, because it is possible to multi-boot OS's on Windows machines. I have drives setup with Windows XP, 7 & 10 that have i7 processors running at 3 ghz, 8 gigs of ram, SSD drives and plenty of space. Even better, the drives can come out as easy as a disc and boot another. I highly recommend cloning your drives, and ideally have a backup computer. Eventually, you will likely see the Korg Kronos as a VST once Korg has moved onto the next thing to market. VST's have amazing power and possibilities. I've replaced many hardware keyboards with software, and many classics that were way too impractical to own the real ones. If you gig and you are your own road crew, VST's and a laptop can't be beat. The number of hardware synths you can replace is staggering. Roland offers the same engines that power their brand new Jupiter X as VST soft synths and they offer nearly all of their classic synths as software now. Korg offers their classic M1, Wave Station, analog synths and recently their Triton Extreme as a VST. I use a Yamaha MODX so that covers most Yamaha sounds of the past 20 years & the latest Montage. Sample collections for Kontakt are available that include all factory sounds of the Korg Kronos, Yamaha MOTIF XF and many other synths. Companies like Arturia have cloned a bunch of analog & digital classic synths. The list goes on and on. Always have a hardware synth for backup just in case to get you through a show even if your not sounding your best. Because if your running only hardware, your probably not sounding your best as you probably can only carry so much gear.
n8goulet interesting point with the live gig point. I hear that most people prefer using hardware for live music but i think thats only for novelty of using a real instrument and not using a computer. Software is very much powerful and acessible
What kind of synths y made ? 70 been as a dark age for real poly and memory control by micro processor . At 78 some progress was made with J4 , P5 , OBX ...Yamaha CS from 50 to 80 - logic board , Poly Moog , kind combo of presets and waves under '' advance '' divide down poly .
Amazing video Woody! You broke down the two worlds perfectly. I am right there with you as far as utilizing both. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I love and use both Hardware and VST's. Thank you for always having fun and informative videos. Oh! and I love the plants. Brings a very colorful and peaceful vibe to the video.
I learned a long time ago to have a dedicated PC for my music with a dedicated drive just for the operating system, most of the time it is not connected to the network so I can pick when it updates the OS and software. The system is a dual boot with Linux as the main OS and Windows 8 for when I cant use Ubuntu which isn't very often, I can't remember the last time it crashed!
Me too. I recommend the Dell Latitudes that are a little older. You can swap out the main hard drive just like putting in a disc. Boot Windows XP - Windows 10 and run synths that are 20 years old while running the latest too. I set one drive up that can boot all 3. Disable internet access altogether once everything is working.
I disagree with one of your points about user interface. The original DX-7 has a horrible user interface for modifying the sound. Dexed, the free VST surpasses the original in so many ways. I now program in the VST and export the patch to the hardware, purely to offload the CPU load from the PC. The reliability of hardware is not as high as you suggest. A broken F string on my CP-70 still haunts me 30 years later. That is as hardware an instrument as can be... Love your channel. Thanks for inspiring, thoughtful content!
But we’re talking about a synth from 1983 where digital components were costly and processing was limited. Take a ModX or a System8 and FM programming is even easier and you don’t need to shift form keyboard to computer all the time. The fact that you need to offload a very simplistic 5 operator FM synth is another potent problem with Soft Synths. You never know when it will start to glitch.
I agree with you, you can lower the latency, I built a gaming computer for power and bought an audio interface, I am getting low latency and crystal clear sounds.
My computer starts up fast due to an SSD and 6 core 12 thread cpu... My krome takes 1 min to start up ... But I like both vst and hardware. I can combine all of them so to me they all are just tools. Great video, thanks.
This is such a good video! You mention so many awesome points. There seems to be endless pros and cons. For us as an indie synth-pop band, we like to have access to both hardware and software. So ultimately we get the best of both worlds. Thanks, Woody, enjoyed this one so much I'm going to watch it again. ❤♪♬♫🎤♩🎹
Watching synth videos you'll either encounter plastic plants, small toy figurines , color changing led lights or half of the screen is turned into a oscilloscope.
ato zee damn dude, I can never watch another synth video the same again 😂 I do I feel better about wanting real plants to grow fruit, veg and herbs with at least!
@* AnimalHeadSpirit * As noted, there are times when plastic plants make more sense. My fiancee is convinced plastic flowers just make more sense to use at our up coming wedding vs real ones. And since my bands play covers of famous songs and no band is ever going to sound "exactly" like the record and with different musicians than played on the records, providing the illusion of sounding like the record is what really matters. And software definitely gives you the same feeling listening to it at a live performance in a band situation as the original synths. Now if you want to compare them as solo instruments and hear which DACs sound better and compare them with an oscilloscope your wasting your time. No one at a gig is going to pickup on the differences. Software will provide the flavor of the famous sounds, where as hardware will give you a much smaller palette of sounds to choose from. With software, the sky is the limit. Unlimited sound engines, no road crew needed, and infinitely more affordable and practical.
My Roland JUNO DS has a built-in audio interface, so basically I connect my laptop to it, and the sounds from my laptop comes right out from the JUNO DS's L/R outputs. So convenient!!!
Reason, augmented with select pieces of hardware does it for me. I have an affection for the old synths from my younger days (Yamaha, Roland, Ensoniq), and so I like to keep them around. But some of the VA's in Reason are becoming classics themselves.
From the point of view of someone who now owns and uses lots of hardware synths again, Omnisphere is still a top dog of the softsynths especially when you can get some hardware control over it ( I created a custom faceplate overlay for it which goes onto a 33 knob/slider midi controller and that was cool for me )
I've developed connection to some vst. There is a delay plugin that has unique sound, I love it, and there is a pitch shifter that is equally brilliant. 32 bit sadly. As far as actual synth vsts, there are plugins that are usable tools. 303 emus come to mind first. Funny, but one of the best out there is free ' Delphine ' synth - it has this interaction between controls that is reminiscent of hardware. As far as polys go, Korg's polysix is one of the best out there. And of course samplers, there's just a worlds of kontakt and other multi GB libraries. Actual composers actually use those in 95% cases.
@@oOFTJOo I've already been doing it for 20 years with VST instruments. How is hardware any different? In 2030 with VST's you will have your choice of keeping your VST's running on an old PC, cloning the hard drive to ensure you could still run them on another computer, or similar near identical VST synths will exist, if not updates of the older ones. There are lots of enthusiasts running vintage Apple ]['s, C-64's and computers that are more than 35 years old. I fully expect in 35 years from now, we'll be able to run our VST's or have them replaced with ones that produce exactly the same sounds.
As much as I love your channel, I have to disagree with some of your cons of software synths. 1. Reliability. It's not exactly true that your computer fails you during the concert. I play softsynth on gigs during 2011 and it never failed. Of course, you have to be careful and treat your computer well, disable wifi and other things and have strong computer, but I guarantee you, it will not fail if you know what you're doing. On the other side, I've seen a lot of hardware synth going down during concerts, including flagship yamahas and korgs. Btw do you know that korg kronos is running on a pc unit? Open it and check, there is a computer inside, running on a custom operating system and it reboots like forever and crashes from time to time. 2. Tweaking and checking the sound on the computer are no more inconvenient: Arturia keylab have instant integration with software without mapping anything, it's ready to go on a fly. The same for NI komplete. Not mention about Omnisphere's hardware integration dedicated to hardware synths. 3. Distractions when playing? Just set simple rules: when I practice the piano on vst, I turn down the monitor. No distractions. 4. I do gigs when I use emulation of about 20 classic hardware synths. Imagine what cost and effort it would be if I would have to carry 20 synths with me? :D instead of this, I have 2 midi controllers and everything is easy and clean. Unless you have 20 technicians to do this job for you. I don't want to sound like not agree with all your thoughts, just this some :) At the end, I want to mention that I had yamaha dx7 and oberheim obxa, so I know the feeling of playing on a hardware synths, so I know both worlds :)
I use kontakt 6 with sound from motif Roland and so on. With some tweaks I can't hear that difference. Hardware looking good though when you see it in your studio.
I can't resist echoing the musical sentiments below, "what a time to be alive"! I grew up in the 50s and 60s playing piano, trumpet, and guitar. Got married in the 70s, lusting after Synths that were financially out of reach for me then. Now I have more Synths than I need, but love, love ,love every one of them. Currently: Hardware: Triton Exterme, KingKorg, Akai MPK249 Software: Reason Studio, Korg Synth Collection 4, Arturia Synths V Collection 9, Dune 3, ... The low cost of software these days, and what you get for your money is rediculous, especially if you wait for holiday deals, etc. As I do not perform, I find myself using software mostly because of it's convenience, versatility, and space savings. So I don't get lost in options, I make extensive use of favorite patches, etc. and can get lost playing these instruments for hours! Whatever you choose, Enjoy! There has never before been a time like Now for those who love to play and collect instruments!
I've pretty much stopped using my hardware virtual analogue synths in favour of Serum or FM8, but I've found myself using my hardware analogue synths more. With VCV rack you can now do some pretty amazing things integrating modular hardware with virtual modules. I like fiddling with things while making music, or having physical things to play. Most of the VST synths I use are because I'm looking to automate a lot of parameters or get a very specific (usually FM) sound. The big advantage (in my mind) to using hardware synths is the hardware effects pedals that you can use with them. There are some great digital VST effects (echo boy, Valhalla's range) but nothing comes quite as close as setting up a good physical effects chain on an analogue synth. The sweet spot is definitely a combination of both.
The "focus" part is too true!! You look for a simple string sound, but have 8 different vsts that you can browse and get it from... Then you start to feel like damn, im neglecting this vst, why did I even buy it..
How does one compare the marketing claims for example Yamaha MODX has Motion Control Synthesis Engine AMW2: 8 Elements FM-X: 8 Operators, 88 Algorithms. Compare that to FL Studio 20. I can't seem to find any similar numbers to compare?
You reinforced my thinking here. I'm glad of that. The way I see it, DAWs are for composition, refinement, design, while hardware is for performance, practice, and improv. They're both excellent solutions... for different uses. There's also the matter of hyper-niche VSTs or hardware devices: I'm probably not gonna find a Plasma Drive or Motor Synth on PC.
At 14:00 you said exactly what I wanted to hear, thankyou. I feel like it is the next step to taking my music production to the next level. Thanks! :) I know there is a difference, my ears say different when people say isn’t any difference between vst and hardware. Even if there isn’t it’s the fact that it has lower latency better keys etc so you can get more in touch with the instrument thus being able to compose better . Thanks again for allowing me to finally decide to get a Roland jd-xA
Editing patches on a digital synth, even a new one, still involves a relatively small screen pointed at the ceiling. It was fine when that’s all there was, but we don’t need to torture ourselves anymore. Also, VSTs can bring you the sounds of synths & other instruments you will be hard-pressed to ever encounter in your lifetime, and hardware keyboards are not yet evolved enough to hold.
Some hardware synths in the workstation class take longer to boot than your mac takes to boot. Which sort of makes you realize, that in fact, the Kronos is a great set of software on a shitty computer that lives inside the synth case.
Compromise, get a Yamaha Reface CS so you can jam without wires and even without headphones on the couch, but also get Synth1, Tal Noisemaker, VCV rack and whatever soft synths you like. That way you have a fantastic keybed to play whatever way you prefer. Btw I don't remember hearing you talk about Midi CC Learn which lets you use physical knobs to control soft synth parameters. Makes it less awkward to tweak a soft synth. Great video!
As someone who has and uses both, I just see it as a means to an end. As long as I get the sound I want at a particular instance, that's what should matter. I will say that if you pick the right MIDI controller, you can develop that sentimental relationship with it just like with the hardware. For instance, I upgraded my controller from a Novation ReMOTE 61SL to the Arturia Keylab 61 Mk2. I already own the V Collection (currently 7) and thus I love having a keyboard that will access directly 20+ synths. In a way, it's like having any synth you want within one keyboard. (Whoever has the real estate to accommodate that many synths? =] ). The key aspect (no pun intended) is whether the controller can be just as responsive as any other instrument. This also will add to the sentimental bond with the instrument (both controller and software). All in all, good job as always =]
I love the ease of use of vsts, with hardware there always the fucking around with midi - which is documented woefully bad. I press play and suddenly 3 synths start to bang away, and it takes me a while to solve that. So often I forsake recording midi for hardware and go old skool audio recording several takes and do a composite. But I’ll take a physical synth over software anytime. As it gives a certain tangible tactile experience that sparks creativity. And you’re more likely to cause happy accidents in making patches. Hitting a pot or slider by accident as you reach of another one, has often caused me to explore new sonic possibilities
Woody, software got my attention first. I started using soft synths in 1985 on my Amiga 1000. Does anyone know anyone else that has been using software synths for 35 years? And 35 years later, I still prefer them to hardware over all but prefer to combine and use both. I had a MIDI interface, and a Casio CZ-101 as a MIDI controller. The Amiga platform had dozens of great soft synths. Even full emulations of hardware synths, like the Ensoniq Mirage which I was able to buy 30 Mirage floppies and load them right into my Amiga. It's a same Steinberg didn't choose wisely back then and start the VST format on the Amiga, the only computer capable of doing this sort of thing for many years. I used my Amiga 1000 in my early rock bands to save money on expensive hardware synths, samplers, etc. By the early 90s with my Korg M1 and other hardware synths, I had pretty much switched over to all hardware. Around the mid 90s Dave Smith of Prophet V fame developed "Reality" which I started using on a PC. I also had a wavetable soundcard with an Ensoniq chip that produced a better grand piano than my M1. In the late 90s I also bought Gigasampler & Bitheadz Retro-AS1 analog synth software. Then finally around 20 years ago, I started using VST synths in my bands, and I use them more now than ever. Sure I have a collection of hardware synths, but overall, I think software is the better route. I only perform live in bands. I don't record music. A few years ago I sold my prized 1973 ARP Pro Soloist analog synth, used by bands like Genesis, Styx, Kansas and others. Why? Because in A/B tests, my soft synth version of it sounded almost identical. And the few sounds that don't, are ridiculously close. Trying to gig with antique synths is very impractical. I play only classic music from the 80s & 70s. I can have a laptop full of almost any classic synths I need which get ridiculously close. I don't have to carry them or maintain them. I typically trigger 3 MIDI keyboards to the laptop at once. As for soft synths lasting. I still use many that are nearly 20 years old. With few exceptions, you can either get them working on newer computers, an update will be available, or someone else with mimic the same classic synth. Also, let's say they don't. You can always take a tiny netbook which would have enough power to run the old synths in addition to your laptop, just to keep them going. Still hardly anything to carry or setup vs a boat load of classic synths. And so many computers have been sold, that getting an older laptop/netbook working properly would be a much easier task them keeping classic keyboards running. As for the user interface, many keyboards included automap abilities for those that don't want to map soft synths themselves. I still highly recommend using a hardware synth in addition. Always have a backup plan. For that matter, have software synths that can backup your hardware synths in case they fail. Nothing is 100% reliable. I bought a MODX6 like yours, mainly for backup at shows in case the laptop crashes. I can quickly just to it and get in the ballpark of almost any sound. But still, if you want the sounds near exact to famous songs, the software route is best, cheaper & much easier.
Great comments from the "other guy" who knows what an Amiga is. As a former Wedding band musician/lead vocalist and MC, one must always have a fool proof back up plan. Equipment must never be allowed to shutdown such an important life event.
I was searching around for soft synth vids and found your great comparison - the music at times was more foreground than background - intentionally I suppose - I did notice you using the electric sunburst guitar as an example of a soft synth - I am new to this for sure (about 6 months) I thought that vst plug-in was more of a sample library - I love your style , delivery and attitude - keep doing what you’re doing - I’ll love adding you to my list of music production UA-cam channel subscriptions
I have both cheap and expensive Software and Hardware sythersizors and to Me niether is better then the other so long as your computer is powerful enough. I have mostly always been a software guy but I have been wanting some real physical sythersizors so I got a cupple from Navation the MiniNova and The Peak.
I can understand that we are in a different era, where software is sometimes easier, and much cheaper. But the thing to understand, which you pointed out in this video, is that hardware is very reliable, built well, holds its value, increases in value from time to time, and it’s so nice to have the actual synth to play, touch, and have a sense of excitement that you own something that made music what it was, in the case of the vintage gear. I still believe in using hardware for studio use, and gigs as well. You have a clean, crisp sound, and you know it won’t let you down with a great feeling key action, we’ll built metal case, and an easy to use interface. If you want different sounds, you can always load them in through midi using sysex. I don’t know about you, but I feel so much satisfaction of owning vintage synths and being able to own a piece of gear that made music history. I will never sell my synths, and will make the best of them to the best of my ability! Ps, I know I have said this before, but I would die to see you start buying vintage gear again, and making videos. I was and still am so inspired by you. I have always loved playing the piano, and have always had a soft spot for professional synths, and your videos made me want to have them all! They sound so good, and I have many that you have had and others that you haven’t featured yet, and I hope you can maybe do the videos that inspired SO MANY PEOPLE! Including me, very much including me! I hope this comment finds you and others well! Have a good night Woody!
I've been using analogue for 35yrs, - personally i stick with hardware for modular and all things monophonic, but i don't mind using plugins for pad sounds and atmospheric textures...
Dear Woody, it was one of the best videos I have seen for a while. Currently I play my Genos and had a few other arrangers throughout the years, as well as some DAW software systems, but I always preferred the real, physical keyboards. Thanks so much for sharing your ideas with us here.
I have run VST's at gigs for a year. Glitchy from time to time. I doubt it's the brand new Legion. Brand new MAudio pro 3 for a controller as well. Being an old synth player, I purchased a MODX7 to bring me up to new school.. Down the rabbit hole of menu diving I go. The tradeoff is no expensive laptop, cheap feeling controller and a bunch of extra cables to carry to the gigs. I am able to reproduce some of the old school synth sounds, with lots of patience. We shall see how the next year goes. I think the VSTs are best suited for the studio.
I have a Roland XP-50 work station but it has gotten old. I need to perform maintenance on it take it apart clean out the audio jacks & pods. You hear a lot of unwanted noise now a days not when it was new when I bought in 1995.I use the Arturia Keylab MKII Controller & V Collection 7 + Roland Cloud amazing soinding.The Software is reliable it is stable but I don't play live.I just record at home
Tim Weinheimer - I got good use out of mine, but it did start to go haywire, snapped an alpha-dial shaft, needed a power supply replacement. That keybed was loud too, XP-30 much quieter.
I use both and they have their pros and cons. Software these days comes really close to Hardware and I doubt anyone would noticed the difference in a mix. For live stuff Hardware is still better, I just prefer real controls even over midi controllers. Just look at Dr Mix stuff, just listing I couldn't tell if he used hardware or VST. I really like Arturia's Analog lab and Apple/IOS has tons of great stuff. I use the Ipad a lot to work out an idea, sequences, etc using AUM. Then I control the hardware using AUM so I can have all that Analog knob turning goodness. Really you could do everything on a Ipad and a good Midi controller and the apps are so cheap.
For me, software is pretty much the main option. Hardware synths require a lot of space that I don't have and are way more expensive than soft synths, simply can't afford them. I do love hardware synths, have a few, but for now, it's primarily software for me. :-)
@@oOFTJOo , nope, my computer was under $400, and maybe $150 for VST's so far. There are excellent VST options that are free, such as the Spitfire Labs stuff and lots of others. VST's are massively less expensive than vintage hardware synths.
@@oOFTJOo , Cakewalk by Bandlab, $0, Reaper, $60. Lots of people buy/want vintage synths. I have a few. They break, and when they break, they can be very costly to repair. I love them, but they take up too much space for me and are too expensive for me to consider adding any more of them. I also have stuff like the Volcas, Novation Mininova, etc., wonderful pieces of equipment, but I like VST stuff too. I use MIDI controller keyboards to play VST instruments, not a mouse or computer keyboard. Not sure, why you have an issue with me stating my opinion here, but it's clear that you do. I buy what I like, and I don't care what anyone else buys.
Just use both, you haven’t got to sit one side of the fence or the other. Yet so many people really like to argue on the subject, I just see it as different tools in a toolbox. My main gripe with virtual instruments is the availability of pirated versions, not only does that affect the plugin developers but it has a massive impact on synth hardware sales and thus retailers. It also pushes the mentality that you need high value products to produce music because piracy pushes people to seek out products they normally couldn’t afford. Sadly with that mentality people are bypassing the longer term enjoyment you get from slowing down and learning an instrument - no matter how cheap, instead are always looking to the next ‘big’ thing that will make them great.
Nice video Woody, my two cents: I was always a hardware synth kinda guy, forked out a lot of money for my Nord Stage2, and other "workstation" type synths, and sometimes I regret this as there are limited options regarding sounds - yes I can download new ones, but ... the variety is not there. If I could turn back time (if I knew what I knew now) I would invest in a really good 88key weighted midi controller and throw the rest of the Money towards good quality plugins, that I already now own (Omnisphere, Keyscape, Diva, Repro, Korg Collection, NI Ultimate Collection etc etc). In fairness my needs have changed too, and with the variety of new software available there are plenty of options. I notice your a windows user?, I am a Mac user and have never had issues with drivers or software updates interrupting or anything like that, its super quick to turn on, load my DAW and everything is ready to go, I think its only going to be problematic if you are constantly changing computers or uninstalling/reinstalling software all the time. Once its installed, all it takes is launching the daw.. A lot of performers still use laptops on performances live too, but as you point out - always risks there too LOL. ps: Tal u No LX is one of the best ! Juno 60 FTW.
I went from hardware to all software many years ago in hopes of simplifying my studio life...but you know what happened? All the joy and creativity in sound creation went out the door. I'm happy to say that years latter I am back to a room full of hardware synths with glorious real knobs and sliders....and have never been happier. :)
Same, sold the Atari and all the hardware 15 years ago went with Reason then later Ableton, hardly finished any music with them, too many options and avenues to disappear down, although computers today are far superior, I like the limitations and rawness of hardware for getting ideas down, now have an MPC and a few hardware synths and an iPad the creative spark seems to be back again.
I still have the Yamaha PSR-320 and the Roland PC-200 Mk II midi controller, both 20 over years still working well, especially the Yamaha, although the LCD is fading but still have great e.piano 2 and warm pad sounds.
The soundtrack that plays during the outdoor scene at the beginning, when the hardware is being setup I think is from a computer game. Does anyone remember which game it's from?
(For the fun of arguing) I'll demonstrate the contrary of your first argument. A hardware synth needs to be switched on, the amplifier too, the mixer too, the Fx too, you need to wait. To hope there will be no bad cables. You need to tune the synths. Then you can play. And then you have an idea a good idea. But alas, you have nothing to record... idea is lost. My computer is always on. My differents daws and synths are one click away on the desktop, I'm working, I've got an idea, I can immediately play, record, leave and go bac to the work I was doing. Between my screen and my PC keyboard I'v got a small Korg keyboard. This way is the quickest to play and keep ideas when they come. This software way beats hardware on this point. I've got big keyboard, mixers, 4 eurorack modular synth, beatbox, numerous hardware synths. And I'm old... I know what is a 4 tracks tape to record music... I know what is a Revox. So when I tell you software is helping creativity I think it is something that must be heard :-)
for me: plugout synths with hardware and boutiques for u.i hardware and price. i have 3 setups 1. DAW with plugout synths and some arturia synths 2.Fa-06 with hardware synths - roland boutiques, minibrute, nanozwerg 3.rc505 looper with roland jd-xi, system 1 and roland td30 e drumkit plus a yamaha multi 12 pad set up too
That part I agree with. Hardware is more fun to play with. Just seeing it is a joy. Software gets the job done though, and more practical in almost every way for those of us that need a wide variety of sounds. If you only need a few sounds, than hardware would be fine. But if you want the sounds of a Moog, Oberheim, ARP, Fairlight, Synclavier, Jupiter 8, D-50, Mellotron, B-3, and many others, it's just too impractical for most have have all those originals in your studio, on stage, and keeping up with the maintenance.
I own an arturia keylab essential 49 and software installed on a computer with edifier r1850db speakers. But i experience lag and the soundquality is limited. Compared to my 2 synths (yamaha mox8 & dsi rev II) on a yamaha stagepas 400i the software synth sounds shitty :(
If you already work in a DAW, software is usually faster and easier to set up and recall. With hardware, you have to set up MIDI and audio tracks and routing, Program Change messages etc. (and keep track of which preset you used in which track, if you modify it), where as a plugin is just a click or two, and then all the synth parameters are saved with your DAW session. Automation is also easier with plugins. Of course you could ditch the DAW completely and get a workstation keyboard, but that's an entirely different thing, IMO. I use both, but software more than hardware. With hardware synths, I tend to commit to audio much earlier in the process, which leads to a different (and sometimes more creative) workflow. With software, you can tweak the MIDI and parameters right to the end which can be a good or a bad thing.
Serum Vst is better than all analog or digital synths. You can pretty much recreate any sound from a synthesizer in Serum. Best to use a synth as a midi controller and make custom sounds in Serum.
I began this journey in 1980 with a little Moog Prodigy, which went through various trades - Yamaha CS30, SCI Pro-One and Roland JX3P. So I had what are now analogue classics the first time round and … they weren’t all that. Then there was this period around the late 80s early 90s when hardware stopped having knobs and you just peered at a little window to change parameters. Then there’s all the mess of wires and cables everywhere. I went off synths for a bit. I built my first music PC in 1995, painstakingly assembling components and using SMPTE to synch them all. Then Cubase VST came along a couple of years later and did in software what I was trying to do with hardware. But one bit of software got me back to knob-twiddling again - even if it was via a mouse and that was Reason. It’s grown to become a real mad professor’s Lab. So I’ve got what are now regarded as the best softsynths - and I’d regard the finest to be from Spectrasonics and U-he. But now I have the disposable income, I have a hankering for hardware with knobs again - and it’s made a return. I bought a Novation Summit, and one of the hidden benefits is that Omnisphere has hardware-profiled it so that you can use the knobs to control other models like Moogs and Prophets. The other hybrid is the Roland System 8, which has kind of reversed the trend, being essentially hardware storage and control of Roland’s own swapped analogue ‘plug-outs’. Want to swap the Jupiter 8 for an a System 100? You can in one bit of hardware. I really like that idea as it’s the best of both worlds. In idle moments, I look at the prices of your Prophets and Moogs (which ain’t cheap), but have to stop and ask myself whether they’d be better than what I have in the computer. It’s really just the nostalgia of when I was young and those names were everywhere. Not sure where I was going with that ramble. But if you’re in a band, get hardware. If you’re not, the computer is not inferior in any way.
Have to agree that the hardware version of synths tends to favour the creative moments and are more intuitive in a live performance. That being said I do appreciate soft synths having license ownership of the Arturia V collection and KORG collection, though sometimes having too many options/patches can work against the flow (but they sure are incredibly fun to tinker with).
Thank you Woody for this and great music by the way. I am exploring all this greatness at a later time in my life and am challenged with the wiring of everything. I know how to connect my mac to to an audio interface, connect a midi controller to my mac and record my guitars on Logic, My challenge these days is midi recording with a hardware synth. I have purchased an old XP-50 and a SH-1 from friends and I also have a yamaha reface CS. All these synths are wonderful but I can't figure out how to play them together and record them in Logic. I also really like the Xp-50 keys and aftertouch and would really love to use it as a midi controller from time to time. Any ideas or suggestions how I could find a tutorial on the subject of cables and connections? For pros this is like a no brainer but for newbies from the analogue world it is a complexe process to master. Thanks again!
I've been gigging with my laptop for a couple of years now and I've only had a couple of minor issues, barring a forced Windows update that destroyed my hard drive - luckily not at a gig, and I was able to use some vintage hardware for a couple of weeks while I had the repair done. I like the convenience of soft synths - having four Korg Polysixes and an Arp Odyssey in a live setting is rather good - and I'm very pleased with how they sound in a mix. After my Ableton Push 2 had a drink I learned not to get too attached to controllers and I now use affordable and replaceable Novation kit - great gear and perfect for my synth pop gigs. I use a dedicated music laptop now (sold a Fender Rhodes to pay for it...) and I also use Ableton's native amp sims when I'm playing live guitar because again, in a mix, they sound just great. I'd still like an additional hardware synth, though. On top of all other considerations it looks a lot cooler than "checking your emails".
It all depends on your use-case. If you are playing live gigs and need to be on the go, then Hardware synths are the best way to go. If you are in a studio, producing music, then the versatility of Software is your best option. Also, I have to take (another) issue with you on how software synths work and produce sound. With a synth like Helm, ZynAddSubFX/ZynAddfusion, FluidSynth, or any of a number of other synthesizers, you can make any sound you want and are not at all limited by what is provided to you with Hardware. I suggest you take a look at videos from Unfa or Underbelly who are fantastic at creating whatever sound they need using synths. All of the software synths I mentioned are free and open source, so there is no cost involved unless you want to contribute to their developers. I think most people that look at these things from a PC (Windows) vs MAC perspective forget that there is another "PC" operating system out there with plenty available for producing and playing music... Linux (which is also free and open source in most cases). Of note, there are also excellent soft synths for Android and iPhone. Latency is only an issue if you are using an under powered computer. I love your videos, but a lot of the things you attributed to software synths in this video are not an issue anymore with modern computers.
Thanks for this video Woody!!! Your so right about "focus"... What I do most of the time is play and compose my song and some little arrangments in my Motif's pattern sequencer, then move all pieces to Reaper so I can experiment in the software with new and more complex arrangements, add new instruments, and render the motif's sound to tracks, add voices, and so on. For me, it's a good mix between the two worlds...
Rock solid arguments in here! But gotta say, having a dedicated offline computer or dualboot OS will do away with quite some disadvantages you mention in the software front. And turn off automatic updates, why have that on anyway? Also, if your desktop (or laptop, for portability) is powerful enough, you can open lots of separate instances of the same soft-synth in a session, something that would drive up the cost for hardware very quickly.. or you'll need to do multi-tracking and record channels one by one with different settings for each instrument from the same synth.
Any chance of doing your top 5 synths. i was thinking of getting the mode X. I would love the here your opinion on spmerhing around that price range lol great video by the way just subbed 😎
Hmm talk about severely bias. They both have a place but just focusing on the software synths for those who are new here are a few pointers. 1. Turn off your internet connection and any other background programs running while using your DAW if you are using a fairly standard or a basic computer specification. This will stop any issues of PC/Mac hardware running simultaneously when using the processing power of your DAW. Also sorts out a lot of latency issues. 2. Like all instrument tools you get what you pay for. If you invest in a decent midi controller those with the extra sliders etc and programmable buttons. Once you have set up your preferences, you can actually use the Midi keyboard the same as a hardware synth and then some. Your computer screen becomes the keyboards screen with far more capabilities and less menu diving than navigating on a tiny keyboard screen! So time factor is not an age at all. The higher end Midi keyboards can be configured specifically to what DAW you are using and trigger all the key inputs directly to use on the fly just like a hardware synth. 3. Fun fact, with software synths you can do far more and create far more intricate and melodic sounds than the confides of a hardware synth generally speaking. Soft synth have far more comprehensive algorithms plus a far more powerful chipset ie; your computer. This allows far more complex wave and digital complexities that go far beyond the hardware keyboards. So much more, plus you can save your patches, scenes etc indefinitely and without losing the risk of integral memory issues unlike a hardware keyboard. 4. Have laptop and midi keyboard will travel. Midi with USB direct to laptop and your good to go. Use USB as power to laptop and battery is used on laptop should give you quite a few hours of fun with out hauling around a heavy power hungry heaven hardware keyboard. Plus you could always use an iPad these days as well as they have some phenomenal synth software programs. 5. If you use a hardware synth you’re likely to use the midi connections so it acts as a controller for an other hardware or indeed DAW based software, so at the end of the day you are like to use it for both....😉 6. Ps. If you need your emails and social feeds - just keep your smart phone switched on - Job Done ✅
Bit hard on taking the software route IMHO. I don't know if I'm the odd one out here, but I'm totally priced out of having a hardware equivalent to Sytrus or Harmor for example, or Analog Lab (which was on offer for free yesterday!) or even Synth1 (again, free). In fact, my only hardware synth is a PSS-560 which I managed to get for £15 not long ago! Just living in different worlds I suppose.
Except a soft synth works as long as the VST/AU host supports it, as long as the OS doesn't change something and break. Software moves too fast now. So unless you use a dedicated computer that is blocked from the internet and has software updates turned off it's going to need constant patching and maintenance.
@@6581punk , true, but for the price of one vintage hardware synth, one can buy many software synths if one or two become obsolete. There is no absolute right or wrong for everyone. Just use what you prefer to use, make the best music you can, and don't worry about what anyone else prefers. ;-)
@@6581punk Agreed on the dedicated computer. All that is really needed is a computer that let's you swap out the hard drives. If you don't have one, then a dedicated computer. Check Craigslist or eBay. You can get decent older laptops for next to nothing that are more than able to run nearly any soft synths. Businesses and Colleges dump older PCs every few years, and the people that get all these computers that often sold for more than $1000 each dump them for next to nothing because they got them for nothing. A 50 dollar used laptop which is often made of durable parts, can do many, many things with soft synths even the latest synths like a Korg Kronos or Yamaha Montage can't. But for people like me that appreciate all the old retro analog synths, we really hit the jackpot going the software route.
Some good points and useful stuff for a newbie. I have to say that you can also "develop relationships" with software just like you can with a hardware synth (like any newbie, I played with some synths but when I found Falcon things changed a bit, as fits my thinking very well. The same can be said about a high quality, high end MIDI controller (I have a Studiologic SL73 with a great metal construction and wonderful keybed and I love it, while I couldn't care for the plasticky NI KK M32). All that being said, I find a MODX to be very tempting indeed.
I feel a connection & relationship with my NI Massive software synth that's stronger than most of my dozen or so hardware synths (that go back to the 80s). The only synths I've fallen & stayed in love with as thoroughly as Massive have been my Nord Lead and my Access Virus C. The hardware knobs are awesome for live/improv performing, but for producing something truly special in my studio, Massive is my favorite go to synth. And I just started using an S61 Komplete Kontrol interface which feels like the best of both worlds. Of course, the all time winner of instant-on, immediate gratification, never lets me down (except for occasional intonation issues), has to be my actual acoustic piano.
Personally I'd like to add the third option: an iPad in combination with a midi keyboard and / or a pc with a DAW. I really like the conveince of a small portable device which I can interface with midi and create ideas on the device itself or use the device as instrument. I've really grown to like Korg Gadget a lot for capturing ideas without the hassle of PC DAW, but sometimes I use it as a multitimbral VST instrument when conncected to my PC with a midi interface. I simply use Cubase to record midi and sent it to an iPad app and record back the audio in the PC. It gives me a lot of flexibility and not much hassle. Synth wise the only hardware synth that I have is reface DX which I have connected to the PC to use a as synth / midi keyboard combo. I sometimes connect the iPad to an old general music WX2 keyboard with a midi interface if I want to kind of play it as if it where a hardware synth. What I find a mayor hassle with VST's is Windows, even with a decent audio interface such as a Steinberg UR-242 the operating system is probably the part get's most in the way of the flow. Somehow iOS works really well for audio stuff. I've sometimes thought of the idea of having a OS specially designed for audio applications, I mean Steinberg easily have the resources to develop their own OS for dedicated for DAW's. In the past they have created their own multitasking kernal on top of the Atari ST, why not have a mondern day equivaltent.....😎 That could be nice. Modern workstation synths like the Korg Kronos and the Yamaha Mod-X all have and embedded PC's / arm based computers in them running some sort of embedded linux or BSD based OS which runs custom software. Imagine beeing able to run a full DAW on them..... a futuristic pipe dream or a real possiblilty in a few years from now? The iPad is kind scrathing that itch.
dykodesigns2yt - The display sizes are too small on synths for a DAW, as people are used to at least 22” monitors nowadays. iOS devices are coming along as portable synth platforms, esp with one or more slim/lightweight controller keyboards. Sure beats hauling the big guns to rehearsals. Korg Module👍
FYI- on Mac you can connect your iPad via USB for a direct midi out and digital audio back connection, effectively plugging your iOS synth into your desktop DAW as if it were a VST. There’s some configuration fidgeting to connect the iPad this way, but after that it’s much more direct than wiring up interfaces.
Here I thought you were going to ask us which plants were real and which ones were synthetic? Seriously, the greenery does add to the ambience and certainly makes for some creativity assistance. While I held off until about a year ago from buying the boxed instruments, I have traveled down that trail and have not been overly disappointed with the better VSTis that I have found. Your comment that those VSTS packs aimed at reproducing a single instrument or type of instrument are far better than the all-in-one-box could not be more true. I still fall back to the hardware for gigs and software for home paradigm and may someday change, but for now, that's the way it goes. Thanks for another insightful video.
I've just sold all my hardware synth gear and 'gone digital'... I spend FAR too much time faffing about with settings, tweaking sounds and browsing through millions of patches and not enough time actually making music now 😂😂😂
I love playing and noodling with my hardware collection but for studio recording, I use VSTs. Arturia Collection V and Presonus Studio One 4.5 covers almost everything I need.
I started with VST back in 2004. I used vst like Vanguard + Albino. Today If I wanted to recreate the old songs I made using these plugins I simply can't as these are discontinued and not obtainable. The other issue is these are 32 bit vst and are not supported in todays 64bit systems "cubase 10" (they are blacklisted). Experiencing these issues I opted to go all out hardware and don't look back at software that much. Lol do you like building castles in the sky? well guess what you also have synths you can download from the clouds near by. I prefer to own a real object instead of imagining it.
Hardware for me is always fun to play live without waiting for computer/laptop to boot. Just fire it up and it ready to play keyboard and touch all the knob right there in front of me. I do have Ableton, Cubase and some interesting VST, but it's good only for recording.
Definetly pros and cons of both worlds. I personly say, a sample workstation is the best solution for live useage. In the studio the 2 worlds blends together, but live and software synths ... even things have become better, I still wouldn't trust it unless I had a complete backup system with me for when the systems crashes .. not "if" .. but "WHEN"..
As both a guitarist and synth player I've learned over the years not to get too attached to your instruments. You are the real instrument that transcends all the others when they break, get lost or stolen, or become obsolete. Have a sort of nomadic attitude for them.
Well said. The brain is the ultimate musical instrument indeed.
See tame impala Kevin Parker. With a fire he lost a lot of his old synths , but I think he was getting better after that because he had some new ones which also spike more creativity and so on.
@@christianschroer1999 i read it was mostly rent gear
@@andreq9327 interesting to know thanks
well said
One thing that people simply fail to understand is that a midi controller, audio device, and computer with a DAW or Host.... is.....a hardware synth. The output at the 1/4 inch outs of my Focusrite audio device is no different that the 1/4 inch outputs of any hardware synth. The true power of a computer based synth is the ability to layer up any combination of VSTi's and play them simultaneously without the need for extra midi cables, audio leads and power plugs. If we look at each VSTi as a separate "Oscillator" in a larger synth we realize that incredibly complex sounds are possible that hardware could only dream of making.
The components are different.
@@sircliff323 You long for the good old days of dozens of 741 OpAmps and 555 Timers. I am restoring a PAIA 4700 system and a Stringz and Thingz.
@@DBCisco Wish I was smart enough to do stuff like that. Keep up the good work
I really like being able to use something like BeatMaker on iPad to host layers of stuff like a rompler, FM, and/or virtual analog in the mix.
Example stuff I did just using iOS synths (except for the added vocals and Cajon on “Post Op”):
soundcloud.com/rob-anderson-104336556/post-op-original-song-apr-2019
soundcloud.com/rob-anderson-104336556/interglacial-improv-for-open-mic-on-jan-11
Your right - The real difference is with 'software' synths you are using a general purpose CPU, while with 'hardware' you have single purpose chips (ASICs) or components that are limited in what they can do, and also quite a bit simpler/quicker.
The quality of VSTs over the hardware synths are almost identical and it’s good in musical production point of view but for a performer or an enthusiast, you will never get the same experience and satisfaction you get from playing the real synth, it’s just like this, why we would love to go to a live concert if we can listen to the same song in our media player.
@@williamtopping I'm really convinced that VSTs can immitate exactly the sound of the hardwares, there are VSTs that uses exactly the same algorithm as the hardware so you wouldn't hear any difference at all, if there's any, I believe it's very tolerable or you may need a scope to check that. 😂
Wow, a modular keyboard is a great idea, it would really help a lot of musicians to save plenty of dollars 😀. Imagine, I can layout my keyboard depending on my needs, or just simply replace a specific module for upgrade, no need to buy the entire keyboard, it' just really amazing to think but I don't think it's profitable for any company.
@@oOFTJOohaha, exactly, the perfect justification why many still preferred to buy hardware synths.
I wish this were true. Then I wouldn't have any hardware at all. The only software synth which sounds like hardware is the old Sylenth1. For many years, the Sylenth1 was also voted the best software synth of the year. The other software synths sound like a sock has covered the speakers. It's not bright and "in your face". I have lots of hardware synths and outboard effects because they sound better, not because of their latency, ease of use and features. Even the effects produce the same muffled sound. You get what you pay for.
@@kian9304shit noo my korg pa700 sounds destroys all those plastic sounds from software
@@kian9304 They may use the same algorithms, but no VST can emulate natural components and frequencies from an analog synthesizer. Digital is digital / Analog Is Analog. Try it by yourself - lend an analog synthesizer and compare it with a VST which tries to emulate that. Both variants have very different bandwidths and frequencies.
Embrace it. We live in a fantastic to be a musician, especially a synth/keyboard player. To be able to have vsts that emulate classic synths and create new futuristic synths is just mind boggling. I love booting up my computer DAW and just loosing myself in the plethora of synthesis. At an affordable price too. Love it.
Great videos Woody 👏👏👏
You can't underestimate the 'good to go in seconds' on a hardware synth. I had a Korg M3 which took minutes to start up and it was such a pain. I have a Kawai ES8 now and it turns on almost instantly. When I want to play, try a new idea etc I can sit down and do it immediately.
A Korg DSS-1 *might* take seconds, but unless you're poised with the right floppy disk it'll probably take a few minutes.
My Grandmother works immediately. Being in tune…we’ll.. that takes a few minutes😀
I tried software for live gigs and it wasn’t a great experience. Then I discovered the proper device for the job. iPad. Rock solid, cheap, portable, touch screen really adds to real time control. Some great cheap and free synths available. Works great in combination with hard synths using an external dac/mixer board and a USB hub. Can do some crazy midi control and routing with the right software making hardware and software blur and expanding both.
Absolutely this. I’m just a hobbyist, but I love having my iPad attached to my cheap arranger type keyboard for extra patches and outboard effects. Makes a great light rig to drag to open mic night.
I am loving it! iPad has become amazing to create music and super portable
An iPad is fine and offers a lot of reasonably priced synths.
A full VST synth on a PC offers much greater variety in the kinds of synths available. Many of my favorite classic synths are not available in iPad format, but are for Windows. I've been gigging with PC soft synths for over 20 years. I've used my iPhone synths in combination too. iOS, Windows, etc. Each can have their own glitches about equal.
I use both software & hardware for live gigs. Generally speaking, software wins. I did buy a MODX6 just like the one Woody has, mainly for backup if my software crashes. I also have a couple Korg M1's and other hardware.
You’re insane. iPad isn’t nearly stable enough and you can’t switch sounds easy at all, there’s nothing for live performance. I tried for almo year and it’s just not viable.
@@fairweatherfriends. Camelot Pro. Fantastic software. I haven’t had my iPad crash once. Although it hasn’t been a busy year.
Some of those arguments, to me, sound like they are coming from someone with an emotional connection to hardware that attempts to rationalize it.
There are generalizations, exaggerations, half trues, and some inaccurate statements.
We just have to accept that for the most part, the desire to own hardware is just emotional, and not logical. And in some cases the sad truth is that we have to budget accordingly, even if we might not want to.
If someone don’t want to play music on the same device they surf the web, and do their mails, perhaps considering getting a cheap laptop/tablet-hybrid, powered by Atom or similar is a solution. Such computers are often fanless, so they can be used next to the studio computer even when recording audio, if there is a need to have such services near the music making computer. Perhaps one should keep any such services away from the music making environment (except for the occasional tutorial, and then having a separate computer makes it much easier).
It can also help to keep the system stable. If one is able to keep the music making computer offline, except for the occasional update, I would recommend that as well, but it does mean that back-ups have to be local, or uploaded from a server/separate computer that doesn’t make a direct connection for the studio computer to the web.
Start-up times, well, there are several of synths that have a bit of startup times themselves. And some analog takes several of minutes to warm up. So the idea that the hardware synth is instant isn’t correct, in some cases it almost is, in others, far from it. A modern computer can start up really quickly. And if the goal is to quickly be able to start and just play, there are possible solutions, like the DAW can be put in the auto start scheme, and one can even start a session with instruments loaded as templates, to have the sounds load on start-up (yet again an argument for having a separate music computer, because having the DAW auto start may end up being irritating on ones internet/mail computer).
There are software that comes with content similar to the hardware workstation. But Native Instruments with their Kontrol solution is building something that can be used as a workstation, but where the sounds might come from instruments and libraries that offer deeper levels and more realism than would be found in a workstation.
Some synths have great interfaces, but many don’t. Several require digging through menus, with an interface that is way behind in terms of usability to a big screen VST.
Some uses multi-function controls/softknobs, and Native Instruments NKS offers a similar experience for software synths (there is the VIP software by Akai and the other brands in the same group, as well as Novation’s solutions that also offer similar experience).
Latency, depending on the system, may be noticeable with software, but in many cases it isn’t.
Even though it probably is higher than on the hardware synth, if it isn’t noticeable, it isn’t noticeable.
Sound switching, depending on how it is carried out, however might take longer on the computer, and some workstations lets the notes keep sounding while switching sounds.
Hardware is often quite a bit more expensive compared to software, and they can easily drop in price as much or more than a software over time, especially if a newer version is introduced of the hardware, the fact that the software drops to 0% so that the percentage is higher doesn’t matter, it is the loss in actual money value that matters.
Hardware can suffer from bugs. Sometimes they are fixed with software updates, other times not. With software fixes usually comes quicker, but it is also easier to move on, and cheaper, compared to having to sell a second hand product with a bug. Sometimes even hardware synths need a re-boot, just like the computer. Bugs and the need to reboot are occurring more often in computer based solutions, for sure. But in most cases it isn’t a big issue.
Hardware can break to a state where it can’t be repaired, and that doesn’t have to take decades.
So it isn’t given that hardware will last longer than software.
And given the higher price of hardware, it is usually cheaper to buy a few replacement softwares over time.
I’m a hardware software hybrid person, so I’m not writing this to say that hardware is pointless, because I too like to have hardware.
But in most cases there is software counterparts to the hardware that does the same thing, perhaps even better (polyphonic sounds, where the hardware is monophonic, or higher sound quality and more features when it comes to various digital hardware synths).
I’ve come to accept that hardware is often about the emotional connection, which perhaps doesn’t justify the price (rarely does).
Sometimes it is about the interface, though, but then I’m talking hands on subtractive synthesis (analog or virtual analog), other form of digital synthesis if it exist in software form, will most likely be easier to use with the mouse than digging through menus.
One can have endless debates about the sound quality. But I will leave it at; even if software would not do a perfect job, it would in most cases do a good enough job for the sounds to sit in a track (there is the exception with really poor software, but then we are talking about poor software, not some snobby opinion on software from for example Arturia)
I would recommend someone that wants to get in to synthesis to get a hardware synth with good hands on controls. For that I would recommend any of the Korg Minilogues (perhaps the XD module, in order to not have to have a mini keyboard, that may not be used), or getting the Studiologic Sledge, that is digital, but offer better polyphony. Both also integrate in a cool way with the Omnisphere software. There are more expensive offerings, that would be even better, but I would not recommend someone starting out to spend a lot on a hardware synth.
It is great to have something to touch and play around with, with a lot of dedicated hands on parameters. But when one has learned and understood, sometimes one might forego the hands-on experience for the extended capabilities of software.
I would absolutely recommend going down the computer and software route primarily.
An iPad could be an alternative to a traditional computer, and here I mean iPad and not tablet in general.
For those that stumbled upon the concept of Dawless music making, I would say that should be a side project for someone that also makes music in the computer, as it isn’t very effective and quite expensive. And some of those dawless sequencers are actually computers running inside of a hardware that doesn’t look like a computer. Workstation keyboards are in some cases also computers. Today computers are simply much more effective when it comes to creating and recording music than specialized hardware, and they have been for some time.
One thing that I think would help the synth community is for people to accept that a synth is a sound source and a separate way of controlling it. The controlling aspect sometimes is a built in keyboard, but the keyboard only sends signals to trigger the sounds in the sound source, there isn’t a physical trigger like the hammers hitting strings in the piano, it is just a signal. Sometimes the controller part is a midi-in connection on the sound source (software or hardware based, depending on if it is hardware or software), and it could even be a different interface than the piano styled.
A synth isn’t an instrument, like an acoustic, where it has to be built in to a unit and there are many advantages to this;
The sound source can be so many things, analog, virtual analog, sample based, physical modeling and so on, and it can be in the form of hardware or software (in a computer or tablet).
And the controller doesn’t have to look a specific way, it can be piano styled, or grid based, or a ribbon controller, or anything else someone comes up with. And one can even use the same controller for several of different sound sources, if one finds a controller that suits them, whereas one can’t play ones favorite acoustic piano action and combine it with the sound of different brands of acoustic pianos.
The controller + sound source in separate units is just as much an instrument as the synth with the sound source and the controller built in to a single unit.
Thinking that having separate units, is somehow less of an instrument, could very well lead to misguided purchase decisions.
A great interface is a great interface, and hands on controls can be part of that, but when actually playing, often a limited amount of hands on controls are needed, so, a midi controller might very well cover that if it has some programmable ones (the midi controller may then control software or another hardware). In some cases using foot controllers are even better, and the number of synths with built in foot controllers, is almost down to zero. Programming each software with similar parameters to react in a similar matter to the controls, takes less time, than learning where those controls sit on different hardware, and when it comes to soft-knobs, that may require setting it up in the hardware synth as much as it does with the software.
If someone thinks an instrument has to be self-contained, they should take up an instrument where that is actually the case, rather than project that idea on to synthesizers, because that simply isn’t true for synthesizers.
Good comment!
Hahahahaha!!! Novel indeed 🤣
I agree Jon!
I agree with most of what Jon wrote.
I've been using software synths for 35 years! And they are still my preference. And unlike most soft synth fans, I'm primarily a live player. My software synths from 35 years ago still work! They were on the Amiga computer from 1985, the first major known computer platform that had software synths. I can run them either original, or emulate my Amiga! However, soft synths have really advanced since then, so it's not something I need to do often.
I ran the very first major PC software synths such as Seer System's Reality & Bitheadz AS-1. I still have computers capable of running them, just as you can keep a hardware keyboard from the 90s running. There are plenty of options if you really want to do that. And what's the disadvantage of pulling out an old computer vs an old keyboard? The computer takes up less space!
I've been running VSTs since they first came out roughly 20 years ago. And I still run many old ones even on computers that can run Windows 10, because it is possible to multi-boot OS's on Windows machines. I have drives setup with Windows XP, 7 & 10 that have i7 processors running at 3 ghz, 8 gigs of ram, SSD drives and plenty of space. Even better, the drives can come out as easy as a disc and boot another. I highly recommend cloning your drives, and ideally have a backup computer.
Eventually, you will likely see the Korg Kronos as a VST once Korg has moved onto the next thing to market. VST's have amazing power and possibilities. I've replaced many hardware keyboards with software, and many classics that were way too impractical to own the real ones.
If you gig and you are your own road crew, VST's and a laptop can't be beat. The number of hardware synths you can replace is staggering. Roland offers the same engines that power their brand new Jupiter X as VST soft synths and they offer nearly all of their classic synths as software now. Korg offers their classic M1, Wave Station, analog synths and recently their Triton Extreme as a VST. I use a Yamaha MODX so that covers most Yamaha sounds of the past 20 years & the latest Montage. Sample collections for Kontakt are available that include all factory sounds of the Korg Kronos, Yamaha MOTIF XF and many other synths. Companies like Arturia have cloned a bunch of analog & digital classic synths. The list goes on and on. Always have a hardware synth for backup just in case to get you through a show even if your not sounding your best. Because if your running only hardware, your probably not sounding your best as you probably can only carry so much gear.
n8goulet interesting point with the live gig point. I hear that most people prefer using hardware for live music but i think thats only for novelty of using a real instrument and not using a computer. Software is very much powerful and acessible
I started building synths in 1973 and I own several hardware and software synths. "One hammer is not enough for a good cabinet maker"
What kind of synths y made ? 70 been as a dark age for real poly and memory control by micro processor . At 78 some progress was made with J4 , P5 , OBX ...Yamaha CS from 50 to 80 - logic board , Poly Moog , kind combo of presets and waves under '' advance '' divide down poly .
Amazing video Woody! You broke down the two worlds perfectly. I am right there with you as far as utilizing both. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I love and use both Hardware and VST's. Thank you for always having fun and informative videos. Oh! and I love the plants. Brings a very colorful and peaceful vibe to the video.
Its never bothered me. If a sound sounds good..who cares where it came from..
Exactly!
@Ryan Barker Who asked what?
@Ryan Barker I dont think you understand youtube comments.
@@pseudo-intellectualtroll6563 I don’t think you understand a joke
@@walterwhite6647 When it’s unique and funny, but otherwise no.
I learned a long time ago to have a dedicated PC for my music with a dedicated drive just for the operating system, most of the time it is not connected to the network so I can pick when it updates the OS and software.
The system is a dual boot with Linux as the main OS and Windows 8 for when I cant use Ubuntu which isn't very often, I can't remember the last time it crashed!
It's the only way really. Plus that stops ransomware (on Windows).
Me too.
I recommend the Dell Latitudes that are a little older. You can swap out the main hard drive just like putting in a disc. Boot Windows XP - Windows 10 and run synths that are 20 years old while running the latest too. I set one drive up that can boot all 3. Disable internet access altogether once everything is working.
I disagree with one of your points about user interface. The original DX-7 has a horrible user interface for modifying the sound. Dexed, the free VST surpasses the original in so many ways. I now program in the VST and export the patch to the hardware, purely to offload the CPU load from the PC. The reliability of hardware is not as high as you suggest. A broken F string on my CP-70 still haunts me 30 years later. That is as hardware an instrument as can be... Love your channel. Thanks for inspiring, thoughtful content!
But we’re talking about a synth from 1983 where digital components were costly and processing was limited. Take a ModX or a System8 and FM programming is even easier and you don’t need to shift form keyboard to computer all the time. The fact that you need to offload a very simplistic 5 operator FM synth is another potent problem with Soft Synths. You never know when it will start to glitch.
I agree with you, you can lower the latency, I built a gaming computer for power and bought an audio interface, I am getting low latency and crystal clear sounds.
My computer starts up fast due to an SSD and 6 core 12 thread cpu... My krome takes 1 min to start up ... But I like both vst and hardware. I can combine all of them so to me they all are just tools. Great video, thanks.
This is such a good video! You mention so many awesome points. There seems to be endless pros and cons. For us as an indie synth-pop band, we like to have access to both hardware and software. So ultimately we get the best of both worlds. Thanks, Woody, enjoyed this one so much I'm going to watch it again. ❤♪♬♫🎤♩🎹
Plastic plants V real plants, and when to use them.
Watching synth videos you'll either encounter plastic plants, small toy figurines , color changing led lights or half of the screen is turned into a oscilloscope.
ato zee damn dude, I can never watch another synth video the same again 😂
I do I feel better about wanting real plants to grow fruit, veg and herbs with at least!
@@CommissionerManu Lol yeah i'd also prefer real plants.
@* AnimalHeadSpirit * As noted, there are times when plastic plants make more sense. My fiancee is convinced plastic flowers just make more sense to use at our up coming wedding vs real ones. And since my bands play covers of famous songs and no band is ever going to sound "exactly" like the record and with different musicians than played on the records, providing the illusion of sounding like the record is what really matters. And software definitely gives you the same feeling listening to it at a live performance in a band situation as the original synths. Now if you want to compare them as solo instruments and hear which DACs sound better and compare them with an oscilloscope your wasting your time. No one at a gig is going to pickup on the differences. Software will provide the flavor of the famous sounds, where as hardware will give you a much smaller palette of sounds to choose from. With software, the sky is the limit. Unlimited sound engines, no road crew needed, and infinitely more affordable and practical.
My Roland JUNO DS has a built-in audio interface, so basically I connect my laptop to it, and the sounds from my laptop comes right out from the JUNO DS's L/R outputs. So convenient!!!
Reason, augmented with select pieces of hardware does it for me. I have an affection for the old synths from my younger days (Yamaha, Roland, Ensoniq), and so I like to keep them around. But some of the VA's in Reason are becoming classics themselves.
Omnisphere with hardware integration... can't be beaten imo. Even without the hardware integration I love it.
From the point of view of someone who now owns and uses lots of hardware synths again, Omnisphere is still a top dog of the softsynths especially when you can get some hardware control over it ( I created a custom faceplate overlay for it which goes onto a 33 knob/slider midi controller and that was cool for me )
Yup - integrates really well with my Deepmind 12.
the hardware integration might just be the beautiful bridge
@@noiselabproject9659 what midi controller are you using?
Generally agreed, but disagree one last point - you can and do connect with certain VST's and they become essential parts of your musical repertoire.
@@oOFTJOo What about when your hardware synth needs to be repaired? Hardware does NOT last forever like you think it does.
I've developed connection to some vst. There is a delay plugin that has unique sound, I love it, and there is a pitch shifter that is equally brilliant. 32 bit sadly.
As far as actual synth vsts, there are plugins that are usable tools. 303 emus come to mind first. Funny, but one of the best out there is free ' Delphine ' synth - it has this interaction between controls that is reminiscent of hardware. As far as polys go, Korg's polysix is one of the best out there. And of course samplers, there's just a worlds of kontakt and other multi GB libraries. Actual composers actually use those in 95% cases.
@@oOFTJOo I've already been doing it for 20 years with VST instruments.
How is hardware any different? In 2030 with VST's you will have your choice of keeping your VST's running on an old PC, cloning the hard drive to ensure you could still run them on another computer, or similar near identical VST synths will exist, if not updates of the older ones.
There are lots of enthusiasts running vintage Apple ]['s, C-64's and computers that are more than 35 years old. I fully expect in 35 years from now, we'll be able to run our VST's or have them replaced with ones that produce exactly the same sounds.
As much as I love your channel, I have to disagree with some of your cons of software synths.
1. Reliability. It's not exactly true that your computer fails you during the concert. I play softsynth on gigs during 2011 and it never failed. Of course, you have to be careful and treat your computer well, disable wifi and other things and have strong computer, but I guarantee you, it will not fail if you know what you're doing. On the other side, I've seen a lot of hardware synth going down during concerts, including flagship yamahas and korgs.
Btw do you know that korg kronos is running on a pc unit? Open it and check, there is a computer inside, running on a custom operating system and it reboots like forever and crashes from time to time.
2. Tweaking and checking the sound on the computer are no more inconvenient: Arturia keylab have instant integration with software without mapping anything, it's ready to go on a fly. The same for NI komplete. Not mention about Omnisphere's hardware integration dedicated to hardware synths.
3. Distractions when playing? Just set simple rules: when I practice the piano on vst, I turn down the monitor. No distractions.
4. I do gigs when I use emulation of about 20 classic hardware synths. Imagine what cost and effort it would be if I would have to carry 20 synths with me? :D instead of this, I have 2 midi controllers and everything is easy and clean. Unless you have 20 technicians to do this job for you.
I don't want to sound like not agree with all your thoughts, just this some :) At the end, I want to mention that I had yamaha dx7 and oberheim obxa, so I know the feeling of playing on a hardware synths, so I know both worlds :)
PC or Mac?
@@Roboprogs PC
"when I practice the piano on vst, I turn down the monitor". thats a good idea
I use kontakt 6 with sound from motif Roland and so on. With some tweaks I can't hear that difference. Hardware looking good though when you see it in your studio.
The background music examples from your devices are amazing!
I asked once upon a synth. He says your video needs more plants
i love that channel
I can't resist echoing the musical sentiments below, "what a time to be alive"! I grew up in the 50s and 60s playing piano, trumpet, and guitar. Got married in the 70s, lusting after Synths that were financially out of reach for me then. Now I have more Synths than I need, but love, love ,love every one of them. Currently:
Hardware: Triton Exterme, KingKorg, Akai MPK249
Software: Reason Studio, Korg Synth Collection 4, Arturia Synths V Collection 9, Dune 3, ...
The low cost of software these days, and what you get for your money is rediculous, especially if you wait for holiday deals, etc.
As I do not perform, I find myself using software mostly because of it's convenience, versatility, and space savings. So I don't get lost in options, I make extensive use of favorite patches, etc. and can get lost playing these instruments for hours!
Whatever you choose, Enjoy! There has never before been a time like Now for those who love to play and collect instruments!
I've pretty much stopped using my hardware virtual analogue synths in favour of Serum or FM8, but I've found myself using my hardware analogue synths more. With VCV rack you can now do some pretty amazing things integrating modular hardware with virtual modules. I like fiddling with things while making music, or having physical things to play. Most of the VST synths I use are because I'm looking to automate a lot of parameters or get a very specific (usually FM) sound. The big advantage (in my mind) to using hardware synths is the hardware effects pedals that you can use with them. There are some great digital VST effects (echo boy, Valhalla's range) but nothing comes quite as close as setting up a good physical effects chain on an analogue synth. The sweet spot is definitely a combination of both.
I love both. Neither can really entirely replace the other. Why debate which is better when you can embrace both?
how about using a vst host player like the "seelake audiostation mini", once set up it shall just work at startup?
The "focus" part is too true!! You look for a simple string sound, but have 8 different vsts that you can browse and get it from... Then you start to feel like damn, im neglecting this vst, why did I even buy it..
Software for me is a gateway to understanding hardware .I use voltage modular and hope to migrate what I learn to when I get to hardware modular .
How does one compare the marketing claims for example Yamaha MODX has Motion Control Synthesis Engine AMW2: 8 Elements FM-X: 8 Operators, 88 Algorithms. Compare that to FL Studio 20. I can't seem to find any similar numbers to compare?
Great test. The best is the music you play in the video. I like the pad sounds.
You reinforced my thinking here. I'm glad of that. The way I see it, DAWs are for composition, refinement, design, while hardware is for performance, practice, and improv. They're both excellent solutions... for different uses. There's also the matter of hyper-niche VSTs or hardware devices: I'm probably not gonna find a Plasma Drive or Motor Synth on PC.
can i use vsts in my daw plus have a Roland TB03 connected up into the daw also?
Where can I listen to the tracks you played in this video?
The ~4:40 track Is bloody great!
i don't remember what the track was and don't want to rewatch, but all my music is on bandcamp, link in desc. thx for the appreciation!
At 14:00 you said exactly what I wanted to hear, thankyou. I feel like it is the next step to taking my music production to the next level. Thanks! :) I know there is a difference, my ears say different when people say isn’t any difference between vst and hardware. Even if there isn’t it’s the fact that it has lower latency better keys etc so you can get more in touch with the instrument thus being able to compose better . Thanks again for allowing me to finally decide to get a Roland jd-xA
Editing patches on a digital synth, even a new one, still involves a relatively small screen pointed at the ceiling. It was fine when that’s all there was, but we don’t need to torture ourselves anymore. Also, VSTs can bring you the sounds of synths & other instruments you will be hard-pressed to ever encounter in your lifetime, and hardware keyboards are not yet evolved enough to hold.
Some hardware synths in the workstation class take longer to boot than your mac takes to boot. Which sort of makes you realize, that in fact, the Kronos is a great set of software on a shitty computer that lives inside the synth case.
Hey Woody, could you post the original video link for the segment at 13:28 please?
You can buy dedicated midi controlers for many vst synths.
Compromise, get a Yamaha Reface CS so you can jam without wires and even without headphones on the couch, but also get Synth1, Tal Noisemaker, VCV rack and whatever soft synths you like. That way you have a fantastic keybed to play whatever way you prefer. Btw I don't remember hearing you talk about Midi CC Learn which lets you use physical knobs to control soft synth parameters. Makes it less awkward to tweak a soft synth.
Great video!
Do you have a guide to setup soft synth on Windows? Preferably free.
As someone who has and uses both, I just see it as a means to an end. As long as I get the sound I want at a particular instance, that's what should matter. I will say that if you pick the right MIDI controller, you can develop that sentimental relationship with it just like with the hardware. For instance, I upgraded my controller from a Novation ReMOTE 61SL to the Arturia Keylab 61 Mk2. I already own the V Collection (currently 7) and thus I love having a keyboard that will access directly 20+ synths. In a way, it's like having any synth you want within one keyboard. (Whoever has the real estate to accommodate that many synths? =] ). The key aspect (no pun intended) is whether the controller can be just as responsive as any other instrument. This also will add to the sentimental bond with the instrument (both controller and software).
All in all, good job as always =]
Thanks Woody. Good video. You are right, it depends on the use or preference.
I love the ease of use of vsts, with hardware there always the fucking around with midi - which is documented woefully bad. I press play and suddenly 3 synths start to bang away, and it takes me a while to solve that. So often I forsake recording midi for hardware and go old skool audio recording several takes and do a composite.
But I’ll take a physical synth over software anytime. As it gives a certain tangible tactile experience that sparks creativity. And you’re more likely to cause happy accidents in making patches. Hitting a pot or slider by accident as you reach of another one, has often caused me to explore new sonic possibilities
What synth is at 10:28?
Woody, software got my attention first. I started using soft synths in 1985 on my Amiga 1000. Does anyone know anyone else that has been using software synths for 35 years? And 35 years later, I still prefer them to hardware over all but prefer to combine and use both. I had a MIDI interface, and a Casio CZ-101 as a MIDI controller. The Amiga platform had dozens of great soft synths. Even full emulations of hardware synths, like the Ensoniq Mirage which I was able to buy 30 Mirage floppies and load them right into my Amiga. It's a same Steinberg didn't choose wisely back then and start the VST format on the Amiga, the only computer capable of doing this sort of thing for many years. I used my Amiga 1000 in my early rock bands to save money on expensive hardware synths, samplers, etc.
By the early 90s with my Korg M1 and other hardware synths, I had pretty much switched over to all hardware. Around the mid 90s Dave Smith of Prophet V fame developed "Reality" which I started using on a PC. I also had a wavetable soundcard with an Ensoniq chip that produced a better grand piano than my M1. In the late 90s I also bought Gigasampler & Bitheadz Retro-AS1 analog synth software. Then finally around 20 years ago, I started using VST synths in my bands, and I use them more now than ever. Sure I have a collection of hardware synths, but overall, I think software is the better route. I only perform live in bands. I don't record music.
A few years ago I sold my prized 1973 ARP Pro Soloist analog synth, used by bands like Genesis, Styx, Kansas and others. Why? Because in A/B tests, my soft synth version of it sounded almost identical. And the few sounds that don't, are ridiculously close. Trying to gig with antique synths is very impractical. I play only classic music from the 80s & 70s. I can have a laptop full of almost any classic synths I need which get ridiculously close. I don't have to carry them or maintain them. I typically trigger 3 MIDI keyboards to the laptop at once.
As for soft synths lasting. I still use many that are nearly 20 years old. With few exceptions, you can either get them working on newer computers, an update will be available, or someone else with mimic the same classic synth. Also, let's say they don't. You can always take a tiny netbook which would have enough power to run the old synths in addition to your laptop, just to keep them going. Still hardly anything to carry or setup vs a boat load of classic synths. And so many computers have been sold, that getting an older laptop/netbook working properly would be a much easier task them keeping classic keyboards running. As for the user interface, many keyboards included automap abilities for those that don't want to map soft synths themselves.
I still highly recommend using a hardware synth in addition. Always have a backup plan. For that matter, have software synths that can backup your hardware synths in case they fail. Nothing is 100% reliable. I bought a MODX6 like yours, mainly for backup at shows in case the laptop crashes. I can quickly just to it and get in the ballpark of almost any sound. But still, if you want the sounds near exact to famous songs, the software route is best, cheaper & much easier.
Great comments from the "other guy" who knows what an Amiga is. As a former Wedding band musician/lead vocalist and MC, one must always have a fool proof back up plan. Equipment must never be allowed to shutdown such an important life event.
I was searching around for soft synth vids and found your great comparison - the music at times was more foreground than background - intentionally I suppose - I did notice you using the electric sunburst guitar as an example of a soft synth - I am new to this for sure (about 6 months) I thought that vst plug-in was more of a sample library - I love your style , delivery and attitude - keep doing what you’re doing - I’ll love adding you to my list of music production UA-cam channel subscriptions
I have both cheap and expensive Software and Hardware sythersizors and to Me niether is better then the other so long as your computer is powerful enough. I have mostly always been a software guy but I have been wanting some real physical sythersizors so I got a cupple from Navation the MiniNova and The Peak.
I can understand that we are in a different era, where software is sometimes easier, and much cheaper. But the thing to understand, which you pointed out in this video, is that hardware is very reliable, built well, holds its value, increases in value from time to time, and it’s so nice to have the actual synth to play, touch, and have a sense of excitement that you own something that made music what it was, in the case of the vintage gear. I still believe in using hardware for studio use, and gigs as well. You have a clean, crisp sound, and you know it won’t let you down with a great feeling key action, we’ll built metal case, and an easy to use interface. If you want different sounds, you can always load them in through midi using sysex. I don’t know about you, but I feel so much satisfaction of owning vintage synths and being able to own a piece of gear that made music history. I will never sell my synths, and will make the best of them to the best of my ability! Ps, I know I have said this before, but I would die to see you start buying vintage gear again, and making videos. I was and still am so inspired by you. I have always loved playing the piano, and have always had a soft spot for professional synths, and your videos made me want to have them all! They sound so good, and I have many that you have had and others that you haven’t featured yet, and I hope you can maybe do the videos that inspired SO MANY PEOPLE! Including me, very much including me! I hope this comment finds you and others well! Have a good night Woody!
I've been using analogue for 35yrs, - personally i stick with hardware for modular and all things monophonic, but i don't mind using plugins for pad sounds and atmospheric textures...
That's my philosophy also 👊
@@or9anic_pro2uce19 feeling this more or less. mono hardware is dope
Dear Woody, it was one of the best videos I have seen for a while. Currently I play my Genos and had a few other arrangers throughout the years, as well as some DAW software systems, but I always preferred the real, physical keyboards. Thanks so much for sharing your ideas with us here.
thanks for the nice feedback, jealous of you genos owners, have yet to try one.
I have run VST's at gigs for a year. Glitchy from time to time. I doubt it's the brand new Legion. Brand new MAudio pro 3 for a controller as well. Being an old synth player, I purchased a MODX7 to bring me up to new school.. Down the rabbit hole of menu diving I go. The tradeoff is no expensive laptop, cheap feeling controller and a bunch of extra cables to carry to the gigs. I am able to reproduce some of the old school synth sounds, with lots of patience. We shall see how the next year goes. I think the VSTs are best suited for the studio.
I have a Roland XP-50 work station but it has gotten old. I need to perform maintenance on it take it apart clean out the audio jacks & pods. You hear a lot of unwanted noise now a days not when it was new when I bought in 1995.I use the Arturia Keylab MKII Controller & V Collection 7 + Roland Cloud amazing soinding.The Software is reliable it is stable but I don't play live.I just record at home
Tim Weinheimer - I got good use out of mine, but it did start to go haywire, snapped an alpha-dial shaft, needed a power supply replacement. That keybed was loud too, XP-30 much quieter.
I use both and they have their pros and cons. Software these days comes really close to Hardware and I doubt anyone would noticed the difference in a mix. For live stuff Hardware is still better, I just prefer real controls even over midi controllers. Just look at Dr Mix stuff, just listing I couldn't tell if he used hardware or VST. I really like Arturia's Analog lab and Apple/IOS has tons of great stuff. I use the Ipad a lot to work out an idea, sequences, etc using AUM. Then I control the hardware using AUM so I can have all that Analog knob turning goodness. Really you could do everything on a Ipad and a good Midi controller and the apps are so cheap.
For me, software is pretty much the main option. Hardware synths require a lot of space that I don't have and are way more expensive than soft synths, simply can't afford them. I do love hardware synths, have a few, but for now, it's primarily software for me. :-)
@@oOFTJOo , nope, my computer was under $400, and maybe $150 for VST's so far. There are excellent VST options that are free, such as the Spitfire Labs stuff and lots of others. VST's are massively less expensive than vintage hardware synths.
@@oOFTJOo , Cakewalk by Bandlab, $0, Reaper, $60.
Lots of people buy/want vintage synths. I have a few. They break, and when they break, they can be very costly to repair. I love them, but they take up too much space for me and are too expensive for me to consider adding any more of them.
I also have stuff like the Volcas, Novation Mininova, etc., wonderful pieces of equipment, but I like VST stuff too. I use MIDI controller keyboards to play VST instruments, not a mouse or computer keyboard.
Not sure, why you have an issue with me stating my opinion here, but it's clear that you do. I buy what I like, and I don't care what anyone else buys.
I enjoy your argumentations ! Thanks for the video !
“software has much higher latency” i mean if you don’t know what you’re doing, sure
Ok but hardware doesn’t have this latency even when you don’t know what you’re doing.
@@lumer2b I prefer to watch 2 or 3 free youtube videos than to waste 1000 dollars for what I can find for free in a vst.
Just use both, you haven’t got to sit one side of the fence or the other. Yet so many people really like to argue on the subject, I just see it as different tools in a toolbox.
My main gripe with virtual instruments is the availability of pirated versions, not only does that affect the plugin developers but it has a massive impact on synth hardware sales and thus retailers. It also pushes the mentality that you need high value products to produce music because piracy pushes people to seek out products they normally couldn’t afford.
Sadly with that mentality people are bypassing the longer term enjoyment you get from slowing down and learning an instrument - no matter how cheap, instead are always looking to the next ‘big’ thing that will make them great.
Nice video Woody, my two cents: I was always a hardware synth kinda guy, forked out a lot of money for my Nord Stage2, and other "workstation" type synths, and sometimes I regret this as there are limited options regarding sounds - yes I can download new ones, but ... the variety is not there. If I could turn back time (if I knew what I knew now) I would invest in a really good 88key weighted midi controller and throw the rest of the Money towards good quality plugins, that I already now own (Omnisphere, Keyscape, Diva, Repro, Korg Collection, NI Ultimate Collection etc etc). In fairness my needs have changed too, and with the variety of new software available there are plenty of options. I notice your a windows user?, I am a Mac user and have never had issues with drivers or software updates interrupting or anything like that, its super quick to turn on, load my DAW and everything is ready to go, I think its only going to be problematic if you are constantly changing computers or uninstalling/reinstalling software all the time. Once its installed, all it takes is launching the daw.. A lot of performers still use laptops on performances live too, but as you point out - always risks there too LOL. ps: Tal u No LX is one of the best ! Juno 60 FTW.
I went from hardware to all software many years ago in hopes of simplifying my studio life...but you know what happened? All the joy and creativity in sound creation went out the door. I'm happy to say that years latter I am back to a room full of hardware synths with glorious real knobs and sliders....and have never been happier. :)
Same, sold the Atari and all the hardware 15 years ago went with Reason then later Ableton, hardly finished any music with them, too many options and avenues to disappear down, although computers today are far superior, I like the limitations and rawness of hardware for getting ideas down, now have an MPC and a few hardware synths and an iPad the creative spark seems to be back again.
I still have the Yamaha PSR-320 and the Roland PC-200 Mk II midi controller, both 20 over years still working well, especially the Yamaha, although the LCD is fading but still have great e.piano 2 and warm pad sounds.
The soundtrack that plays during the outdoor scene at the beginning, when the hardware is being setup I think is from a computer game. Does anyone remember which game it's from?
(For the fun of arguing) I'll demonstrate the contrary of your first argument. A hardware synth needs to be switched on, the amplifier too, the mixer too, the Fx too, you need to wait. To hope there will be no bad cables. You need to tune the synths. Then you can play. And then you have an idea a good idea. But alas, you have nothing to record... idea is lost.
My computer is always on. My differents daws and synths are one click away on the desktop, I'm working, I've got an idea, I can immediately play, record, leave and go bac to the work I was doing. Between my screen and my PC keyboard I'v got a small Korg keyboard.
This way is the quickest to play and keep ideas when they come. This software way beats hardware on this point.
I've got big keyboard, mixers, 4 eurorack modular synth, beatbox, numerous hardware synths. And I'm old... I know what is a 4 tracks tape to record music... I know what is a Revox. So when I tell you software is helping creativity I think it is something that must be heard :-)
for me: plugout synths with hardware and boutiques for u.i hardware and price.
i have 3 setups
1. DAW with plugout synths and some arturia synths
2.Fa-06 with hardware synths - roland boutiques, minibrute, nanozwerg
3.rc505 looper with roland jd-xi, system 1 and roland td30 e drumkit plus a yamaha multi 12 pad set up too
playing real hardware synths is a joy in itself.
That part I agree with. Hardware is more fun to play with. Just seeing it is a joy. Software gets the job done though, and more practical in almost every way for those of us that need a wide variety of sounds. If you only need a few sounds, than hardware would be fine. But if you want the sounds of a Moog, Oberheim, ARP, Fairlight, Synclavier, Jupiter 8, D-50, Mellotron, B-3, and many others, it's just too impractical for most have have all those originals in your studio, on stage, and keeping up with the maintenance.
Playing real software synths is a joy in itself.
and collecting them is another joy =)
I own an arturia keylab essential 49 and software installed on a computer with edifier r1850db speakers. But i experience lag and the soundquality is limited. Compared to my 2 synths (yamaha mox8 & dsi rev II) on a yamaha stagepas 400i the software synth sounds shitty :(
If you already work in a DAW, software is usually faster and easier to set up and recall. With hardware, you have to set up MIDI and audio tracks and routing, Program Change messages etc. (and keep track of which preset you used in which track, if you modify it), where as a plugin is just a click or two, and then all the synth parameters are saved with your DAW session. Automation is also easier with plugins. Of course you could ditch the DAW completely and get a workstation keyboard, but that's an entirely different thing, IMO.
I use both, but software more than hardware. With hardware synths, I tend to commit to audio much earlier in the process, which leads to a different (and sometimes more creative) workflow. With software, you can tweak the MIDI and parameters right to the end which can be a good or a bad thing.
I'm moving to hardware because the crashes and latency issues. FML when I'm jamming out then suddenly dddddddddddddddddddddddddddd and an error.
Serum Vst is better than all analog or digital synths. You can pretty much recreate any sound from a synthesizer in Serum.
Best to use a synth as a midi controller and make custom sounds in Serum.
And if you need analogue 'warmth', filters and fx are are great in DAWs.
I began this journey in 1980 with a little Moog Prodigy, which went through various trades - Yamaha CS30, SCI Pro-One and Roland JX3P. So I had what are now analogue classics the first time round and … they weren’t all that. Then there was this period around the late 80s early 90s when hardware stopped having knobs and you just peered at a little window to change parameters. Then there’s all the mess of wires and cables everywhere. I went off synths for a bit.
I built my first music PC in 1995, painstakingly assembling components and using SMPTE to synch them all. Then Cubase VST came along a couple of years later and did in software what I was trying to do with hardware. But one bit of software got me back to knob-twiddling again - even if it was via a mouse and that was Reason. It’s grown to become a real mad professor’s Lab.
So I’ve got what are now regarded as the best softsynths - and I’d regard the finest to be from Spectrasonics and U-he. But now I have the disposable income, I have a hankering for hardware with knobs again - and it’s made a return. I bought a Novation Summit, and one of the hidden benefits is that Omnisphere has hardware-profiled it so that you can use the knobs to control other models like Moogs and Prophets. The other hybrid is the Roland System 8, which has kind of reversed the trend, being essentially hardware storage and control of Roland’s own swapped analogue ‘plug-outs’. Want to swap the Jupiter 8 for an a System 100? You can in one bit of hardware. I really like that idea as it’s the best of both worlds.
In idle moments, I look at the prices of your Prophets and Moogs (which ain’t cheap), but have to stop and ask myself whether they’d be better than what I have in the computer. It’s really just the nostalgia of when I was young and those names were everywhere.
Not sure where I was going with that ramble. But if you’re in a band, get hardware. If you’re not, the computer is not inferior in any way.
Have to agree that the hardware version of synths tends to favour the creative moments and are more intuitive in a live performance. That being said I do appreciate soft synths having license ownership of the Arturia V collection and KORG collection, though sometimes having too many options/patches can work against the flow (but they sure are incredibly fun to tinker with).
Such a beautiful video, Thanks so much very well done.
I love the plants on your videos, man! Thanks for this video.
Nice vid, I'm actually looking at getting my first hard synth. Thanks for giving me perspective
Very nicely done, Woody. 👍
As for my own preference, I love using both VST (Omnispeher and Alchemy Player) and harware (Roland, Arturia).
Thank you Woody for this and great music by the way. I am exploring all this greatness at a later time in my life and am challenged with the wiring of everything. I know how to connect my mac to to an audio interface, connect a midi controller to my mac and record my guitars on Logic, My challenge these days is midi recording with a hardware synth. I have purchased an old XP-50 and a SH-1 from friends and I also have a yamaha reface CS. All these synths are wonderful but I can't figure out how to play them together and record them in Logic. I also really like the Xp-50 keys and aftertouch and would really love to use it as a midi controller from time to time. Any ideas or suggestions how I could find a tutorial on the subject of cables and connections? For pros this is like a no brainer but for newbies from the analogue world it is a complexe process to master. Thanks again!
I've been gigging with my laptop for a couple of years now and I've only had a couple of minor issues, barring a forced Windows update that destroyed my hard drive - luckily not at a gig, and I was able to use some vintage hardware for a couple of weeks while I had the repair done.
I like the convenience of soft synths - having four Korg Polysixes and an Arp Odyssey in a live setting is rather good - and I'm very pleased with how they sound in a mix. After my Ableton Push 2 had a drink I learned not to get too attached to controllers and I now use affordable and replaceable Novation kit - great gear and perfect for my synth pop gigs. I use a dedicated music laptop now (sold a Fender Rhodes to pay for it...) and I also use Ableton's native amp sims when I'm playing live guitar because again, in a mix, they sound just great.
I'd still like an additional hardware synth, though. On top of all other considerations it looks a lot cooler than "checking your emails".
It all depends on your use-case.
If you are playing live gigs and need to be on the go, then Hardware synths are the best way to go.
If you are in a studio, producing music, then the versatility of Software is your best option.
Also, I have to take (another) issue with you on how software synths work and produce sound. With a synth like Helm, ZynAddSubFX/ZynAddfusion, FluidSynth, or any of a number of other synthesizers, you can make any sound you want and are not at all limited by what is provided to you with Hardware. I suggest you take a look at videos from Unfa or Underbelly who are fantastic at creating whatever sound they need using synths.
All of the software synths I mentioned are free and open source, so there is no cost involved unless you want to contribute to their developers. I think most people that look at these things from a PC (Windows) vs MAC perspective forget that there is another "PC" operating system out there with plenty available for producing and playing music... Linux (which is also free and open source in most cases). Of note, there are also excellent soft synths for Android and iPhone.
Latency is only an issue if you are using an under powered computer.
I love your videos, but a lot of the things you attributed to software synths in this video are not an issue anymore with modern computers.
Thanks for this video Woody!!! Your so right about "focus"... What I do most of the time is play and compose my song and some little arrangments in my Motif's pattern sequencer, then move all pieces to Reaper so I can experiment in the software with new and more complex arrangements, add new instruments, and render the motif's sound to tracks, add voices, and so on. For me, it's a good mix between the two worlds...
Rock solid arguments in here!
But gotta say, having a dedicated offline computer or dualboot OS will do away with quite some disadvantages you mention in the software front. And turn off automatic updates, why have that on anyway?
Also, if your desktop (or laptop, for portability) is powerful enough, you can open lots of separate instances of the same soft-synth in a session, something that would drive up the cost for hardware very quickly.. or you'll need to do multi-tracking and record channels one by one with different settings for each instrument from the same synth.
Any chance of doing your top 5 synths. i was thinking of getting the mode X. I would love the here your opinion on spmerhing around that price range lol great video by the way just subbed 😎
Hmm talk about severely bias. They both have a place but just focusing on the software synths for those who are new here are a few pointers.
1. Turn off your internet connection and any other background programs running while using your DAW if you are using a fairly standard or a basic computer specification. This will stop any issues of PC/Mac hardware running simultaneously when using the processing power of your DAW. Also sorts out a lot of latency issues.
2. Like all instrument tools you get what you pay for. If you invest in a decent midi controller those with the extra sliders etc and programmable buttons. Once you have set up your preferences, you can actually use the Midi keyboard the same as a hardware synth and then some. Your computer screen becomes the keyboards screen with far more capabilities and less menu diving than navigating on a tiny keyboard screen! So time factor is not an age at all. The higher end Midi keyboards can be configured specifically to what DAW you are using and trigger all the key inputs directly to use on the fly just like a hardware synth.
3. Fun fact, with software synths you can do far more and create far more intricate and melodic sounds than the confides of a hardware synth generally speaking. Soft synth have far more comprehensive algorithms plus a far more powerful chipset ie; your computer. This allows far more complex wave and digital complexities that go far beyond the hardware keyboards. So much more, plus you can save your patches, scenes etc indefinitely and without losing the risk of integral memory issues unlike a hardware keyboard.
4. Have laptop and midi keyboard will travel. Midi with USB direct to laptop and your good to go. Use USB as power to laptop and battery is used on laptop should give you quite a few hours of fun with out hauling around a heavy power hungry heaven hardware keyboard. Plus you could always use an iPad these days as well as they have some phenomenal synth software programs.
5. If you use a hardware synth you’re likely to use the midi connections so it acts as a controller for an other hardware or indeed DAW based software, so at the end of the day you are like to use it for both....😉
6. Ps. If you need your emails and social feeds - just keep your smart phone switched on - Job Done ✅
Bit hard on taking the software route IMHO. I don't know if I'm the odd one out here, but I'm totally priced out of having a hardware equivalent to Sytrus or Harmor for example, or Analog Lab (which was on offer for free yesterday!) or even Synth1 (again, free). In fact, my only hardware synth is a PSS-560 which I managed to get for £15 not long ago! Just living in different worlds I suppose.
This was an amazing video, thanks man, truly! Chris.
Nice hair cut Mr Shack. It's taken years off you. 😁
I decided to go completely into the box. Nobody is making free hardware synths.
Good point ! Even buying soft synths is far cheaper. Arturia Collection V for example.
Except a soft synth works as long as the VST/AU host supports it, as long as the OS doesn't change something and break. Software moves too fast now. So unless you use a dedicated computer that is blocked from the internet and has software updates turned off it's going to need constant patching and maintenance.
@@6581punk I've been using Arturia Collection no problems since V5 came out on several PCs and laptops.
@@6581punk , true, but for the price of one vintage hardware synth, one can buy many software synths if one or two become obsolete. There is no absolute right or wrong for everyone. Just use what you prefer to use, make the best music you can, and don't worry about what anyone else prefers. ;-)
@@6581punk Agreed on the dedicated computer. All that is really needed is a computer that let's you swap out the hard drives. If you don't have one, then a dedicated computer.
Check Craigslist or eBay. You can get decent older laptops for next to nothing that are more than able to run nearly any soft synths. Businesses and Colleges dump older PCs every few years, and the people that get all these computers that often sold for more than $1000 each dump them for next to nothing because they got them for nothing.
A 50 dollar used laptop which is often made of durable parts, can do many, many things with soft synths even the latest synths like a Korg Kronos or Yamaha Montage can't. But for people like me that appreciate all the old retro analog synths, we really hit the jackpot going the software route.
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Some good points and useful stuff for a newbie. I have to say that you can also "develop relationships" with software just like you can with a hardware synth (like any newbie, I played with some synths but when I found Falcon things changed a bit, as fits my thinking very well. The same can be said about a high quality, high end MIDI controller (I have a Studiologic SL73 with a great metal construction and wonderful keybed and I love it, while I couldn't care for the plasticky NI KK M32). All that being said, I find a MODX to be very tempting indeed.
I feel a connection & relationship with my NI Massive software synth that's stronger than most of my dozen or so hardware synths (that go back to the 80s). The only synths I've fallen & stayed in love with as thoroughly as Massive have been my Nord Lead and my Access Virus C. The hardware knobs are awesome for live/improv performing, but for producing something truly special in my studio, Massive is my favorite go to synth. And I just started using an S61 Komplete Kontrol interface which feels like the best of both worlds.
Of course, the all time winner of instant-on, immediate gratification, never lets me down (except for occasional intonation issues), has to be my actual acoustic piano.
That was exactly what I I needed to know. I use both. Great videos. Keep them coming. Thanks
Personally I'd like to add the third option: an iPad in combination with a midi keyboard and / or a pc with a DAW. I really like the conveince of a small portable device which I can interface with midi and create ideas on the device itself or use the device as instrument. I've really grown to like Korg Gadget a lot for capturing ideas without the hassle of PC DAW, but sometimes I use it as a multitimbral VST instrument when conncected to my PC with a midi interface. I simply use Cubase to record midi and sent it to an iPad app and record back the audio in the PC. It gives me a lot of flexibility and not much hassle. Synth wise the only hardware synth that I have is reface DX which I have connected to the PC to use a as synth / midi keyboard combo. I sometimes connect the iPad to an old general music WX2 keyboard with a midi interface if I want to kind of play it as if it where a hardware synth.
What I find a mayor hassle with VST's is Windows, even with a decent audio interface such as a Steinberg UR-242 the operating system is probably the part get's most in the way of the flow. Somehow iOS works really well for audio stuff. I've sometimes thought of the idea of having a OS specially designed for audio applications, I mean Steinberg easily have the resources to develop their own OS for dedicated for DAW's. In the past they have created their own multitasking kernal on top of the Atari ST, why not have a mondern day equivaltent.....😎 That could be nice. Modern workstation synths like the Korg Kronos and the Yamaha Mod-X all have and embedded PC's / arm based computers in them running some sort of embedded linux or BSD based OS which runs custom software. Imagine beeing able to run a full DAW on them..... a futuristic pipe dream or a real possiblilty in a few years from now? The iPad is kind scrathing that itch.
dykodesigns2yt - The display sizes are too small on synths for a DAW, as people are used to at least 22” monitors nowadays. iOS devices are coming along as portable synth platforms, esp with one or more slim/lightweight controller keyboards. Sure beats hauling the big guns to rehearsals. Korg Module👍
FYI- on Mac you can connect your iPad via USB for a direct midi out and digital audio back connection, effectively plugging your iOS synth into your desktop DAW as if it were a VST.
There’s some configuration fidgeting to connect the iPad this way, but after that it’s much more direct than wiring up interfaces.
Here I thought you were going to ask us which plants were real and which ones were synthetic? Seriously, the greenery does add to the ambience and certainly makes for some creativity assistance. While I held off until about a year ago from buying the boxed instruments, I have traveled down that trail and have not been overly disappointed with the better VSTis that I have found. Your comment that those VSTS packs aimed at reproducing a single instrument or type of instrument are far better than the all-in-one-box could not be more true. I still fall back to the hardware for gigs and software for home paradigm and may someday change, but for now, that's the way it goes. Thanks for another insightful video.
I've just sold all my hardware synth gear and 'gone digital'... I spend FAR too much time faffing about with settings, tweaking sounds and browsing through millions of patches and not enough time actually making music now 😂😂😂
I love playing and noodling with my hardware collection but for studio recording, I use VSTs. Arturia Collection V and Presonus Studio One 4.5 covers almost everything I need.
I get lost in preset land.
@@oOFTJOo haha
I feel that way about software.. Especially Omnisphere.. or Buy Komplete ultimate.. you will never komplete a track lol
Thats vst that cause endless fucking about! Not hardware!
Great video, loved it. Perhaps a little bit biased towards the hardware synths...
Hardware synths have had thirty years to capture our hearts...I imagine software will too once we've experienced more history with them.
Although with Komplete Kontrol NKS you can have all VSTs pre-mapped
I started with VST back in 2004. I used vst like Vanguard + Albino. Today If I wanted to recreate the old songs I made using these plugins I simply can't as these are discontinued and not obtainable. The other issue is these are 32 bit vst and are not supported in todays 64bit systems "cubase 10" (they are blacklisted). Experiencing these issues I opted to go all out hardware and don't look back at software that much. Lol do you like building castles in the sky? well guess what you also have synths you can download from the clouds near by. I prefer to own a real object instead of imagining it.
What an amazing video! I really enjoyed the sounds in it!
Thank you very much!
Hardware for me is always fun to play live without waiting for computer/laptop to boot. Just fire it up and it ready to play keyboard and touch all the knob right there in front of me. I do have Ableton, Cubase and some interesting VST, but it's good only for recording.
Just get a fast pc then. With new ram and m.2 ssd it is really fast.
And the winner is....us. I have only begun (
Very informative and interesting, even helpful considering my situation ...
Definetly pros and cons of both worlds. I personly say, a sample workstation is the best solution for live useage. In the studio the 2 worlds blends together, but live and software synths ... even things have become better, I still wouldn't trust it unless I had a complete backup system with me for when the systems crashes .. not "if" .. but "WHEN"..