Little wonder why so many of us LOVE your videos. Troy, you are an EDUCATOR and all should find your videos informational and unbiased. Thanks for all your efforts at producing the excellent videos. YOU are TOPS. May you continue producing your videos as long as you wish...
When I retire in 6 years I will have a Norwood HD36 hydraulic system mill I have two cabins two barns and one wood shed to build. I can’t wait to be building
Seems to me you are being honest and up front about the mill, so personally I don't care who's poster boy you are, as long as the information given is honest. Thanks for sharing, God bless
Thumbs up. I know nothing about milling, but this was so informative. Mainly I love the videography. Good lighting, sensitive cutaways and editing, but most of all, outstanding audio. Very slick!
We just finished assembling our HD 36 with the trailer this week, so far so good, it took us about 30 man hours to assemble. Had to call tech support 3 times for minor things. I had a live person on the phone quickly every time and got my question answered one question the called me back to follow up. So far very happy.
I always wait to thumbs up until i actually learn something. Didn't take long bud. Liked and subbed. About to purchase my first mill and in this size class. Great job👍😎👌
Troy,good video and explains everything .Like I said before I have the same mill with about 300 hrs on it.As far as the log stops go you will probley not have a problem with them.I have bent the holder that they go in.Only because I loaded a huge log with the forks on my tractor and rolled it to hard against them.A little hint on your water tank you have to turn on and adjust flow each time. What I have done is went to briggs and got a straight gas tank shutoff.Cut hose and install inline. Now after you set flow all you have todo is turn water on or off without having to adjust flow rate Any questions let me know.
I've watched about a dozen of your videos today everything from real estate to tractors to saw mills to chickens,etc. none of which I plan on buying but your deep knowledge of each subject matter pushes me on to the next video, you do a great job of dotting the i's & crossing the t's !! I'm highly impressed by the amount of different skills you have & the reason I've just subscribed to your page ! I lived in Williamson WV when I was a young boy & have never forgotten its raw rugged beauty, hope to make it back for a visit one day !
Can you show us how you would tie down the carriage when trailering the mill long distances? Also would you consider giving us a tutorial on how sharpen and set blades? Thanks for everything you post, I really enjoy your candid and practical videos!
Pee vee has a spike on the end. Used them in the 80 s to push logs around I the river also the spike was great when you lost balance. Can't hook has a horizontal spike to grab the log. Luca
Thank you for the review. I am doing my research on Sawmills for purpose of a purchase and found this helpful to assist in my selection and understanding of the product. You did a good job explaining the features and issues. I am intimidated by the assembly process and that is what I am most concerned with. If I could go someplace and buy it already built, I would have already purchased one and had it in my barn. I appreciate your review. Thanks, Jim from Coarsegold CA.
It may seem daunting to put it together but it isn't overly technical. The alignment of the track was the most detailed portion. If you are comfortable doing small scale maintenance and repair of things then you should be fine.
@@RedToolHouse love the sawmill video. My granddaddy had the old style saw mills. Loved working with him at the mill as a kid.what name brand of suppenders?
love to hear how they took care of your problems did they tell you they were going to give you the blades for your trouble or did they just ship them with a note.also did they do it because you were going to do a video on their mill.i liked the video you did a fair assessment of it thanks
They told me they were going to send it. I don't think the video influenced that decision much. They were really surprised by the mistakes and wanted to keep my business it appeared.
Thanks for posting your review, great detail! I'm looking at either the LM29 or Woodland Mills 130. question for you - any concerns with the risk of theft since you bought a mill on wheels? I have a 55 AC farm with 2 fields / roads, and forest - so a trailer would be nice, but my off the grid farm is a 2ndary property, (I'm not there every day), so theft is reason for not wanting it on a trailer.
Yea that can be a problem . You have to live in an unregistered township like you know who to be able to use your own wood that you get from your bush .
I went with woodmizer lt40 super hydraulic 42hp kubota Diesel. I'm glad I did 4 years later. I'm beat at end of the day now with hydraulics!!!! Norwood is a good machine though. Enjoy
I got one of the small ones to cut my own slabs for woodworking and ended up making more from selling the slabs that I only do woodworking now for stuff my wife and I need lol
Very informative video and well made. Good luck. I'm in Northern Nevada in the desert so don't have much need for a mill. I am a woodworker though and use a much smaller band-saw. Cheers Jim Curnow Stagecoach, NV
Thanks for the review. I watched your 6 month as well. I've been researching several mills for the last few years off and on. When watching the employees do a review it's not the same. My biggest concern is the cost. Though Norwood is a beefy in their construction, they're a bit pricey.
So I'm getting ready to purchase a bandmill. I've been around both Woodmizer and Timberking never Norwood. Seems like the Norwood is way less expensive than the other Mills. If money was no object, and I'm not in that category, but if you could buy any mill you wanted what would you buy?
Can you show us how to change a blade? Setting tension, blade run out, guide adjustment etc? How many times can you join a blade with the adjustment available? Do you sharpen your own? I used to make, join and sharpen 3/8" and 1/2" blades from 100m rolls for High Schools in Western Australia and a bit of pocket money for our Manual Arts Dept. Do you keep joining when they snap? Do you have hardened or standard teeth?
Your sarcastic humor continues to crack me up... "...about a hundred dollars for these suckers, so, they're proud of those." I always appreciate your videos. Thanks again.
Ha Ha Ha! I like it! That's a good thing, especially in a far too serious world. I always say, if you can't laugh at yourself, you're in for a rough ride in this life. Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos for the benefit of so many others. We truly appreciate it.
You purchased the sawmill that you wanted, period. With that said, thank you for taking the time to record this video which aptly presents your reasons for purchasing the Norwood sawmill which you wanted, your trials and tribulations in the sawmill's assembly, the manufacturers responses to your problems and the end product. Personally, I would never consider any model of the Norwood brand of sawmill for purchase. In my personal opinion, other than the well made and dependable drive motors which are available for each of that manufacturers models, the sawmills themselves are of poor/cheap/undependable quality. But there again, its the buyer's choice and for the most part in our business world, it is well known and understood, that you will get what you pay for.
My brother's has been running for 18 years now with little repairs needed. I built it when we first bought it so I was happy with the build. Granted, mills over 10K have many more features but I could not justify that expense for farm milling.
Troy i think the kohler engine is the way to go. Ive got an old wheel horse tractor thats a 1968 model. Tractor and tranny is wore real good but the old Kohler engine is as strong as ever. Ive never had a Briggs to last that long. It just keeps on going. I really like your mill. I might look into one of these. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us. It was very helpful. 👍👍👍👍👍
We also have an old Wheel Horse, the Kohler still runs great, also the gentleman next door, has a old Wheel Horse that the Kohler is running great. I think they're both from around 1968-72. Other than oil, filters and spark plugs, I think the only thing are's has needed was a new starter.
Thank you for this video. I'm sure the perk for video from Norwood took the sting out of your trials and tribulations. I was curious to know if the components are made here or abroad. Also wondering if regrets not going with a used woodmizer. Personally the mix ups in parts would drive me crazy.
I'm curious about the side rails, did you have any issues with assembly in keeping them straight (level) and parallel to one another or did you have the need to use a string line for adjustments ?
The instructions emphasize the need to be very meticulous about that. If you watch our time lapse video from several weeks ago, you can see us shimming and using a string line to make sure they were aligned perfectly.
Must have been a pain in the ass considering the amount of parts, i would imagine to keep shipping costs down. Do they recommend a thread locker for assembly ? Or just the cheap lock washers.
This was a great video . You certainly talked about all the parts of getting and owning a new mill . Nothing wrong in giving an attaboy to a company when it's well deserved . They took care of you even when they had your money including a few extras . Can't go wrong with that . Anyone can sell you a mill . It's the after market service that's important . Norwood Canada is only a 2 hour drive from where I am . I drive right by it 6 times a year
The video showing the Assembly of the HD-36 carriage assembly dosen't appear to be all that difficult. Is thare a major difference with the LM-29 Carriage assembly, if so, what is the difference.
I would LOVE doing what you do but my, you have deep pockets. How many acres should a newbie focus on? I would not like any neighbors within a mile so I can shoot without bothering anyone?
Brand new, looks just out off the box, a few boards stacked on it, now saw dust anywhere close that I can see. Is this a commercial? Looks like it to me!
Feel free to watch the six month review or any of the multitude of videos on our channel using the mill over the last 3 years. ua-cam.com/video/4oWWI-6P0tU/v-deo.html
I bought the same exact mill this fall. In your review you just confirmed all the questioning i had when i had to decide what options to add. The only option i bought which is not working well is the kwik clamp that we can use after we have done the cant on the log. You did mentioned this on an earlier video. I have asked Norwood if the clamping system from the 36 can be adapted to the 29 and the answer was no. It is to bad because the 36 clamping system seems to be a-lot more effective. What is your assessment on this? Thanks from New-Brunswick Canada
The clamp will work but you have to wedge something (wood shim) into the area where the clamp pipe meets the side rail, this takes out the play in the pipe. When you clamp, don't clamp directly vertical, try the 11 or 1 o'clock position. Mine holds almost every time once it did those things.
Greeting RTH! Love your videos and really enjoy your honsesty when discribing your mill. I still use a LM 2000 with a 23 HP. I must say it has been an amazing little mill for my personal use. In your opinion how does the LM 2k fair up to the LM29? I am thinking of upgrading but not sure to stay with Norwood or not. There is a lot of competition in the hobby use mills these days Norwood/Woodland/Champion/Woodmizer etc. I am thinking of more of a hyd. mill to make turning cants/loading easier (I am not getting any younger). I am leaning towards a LT40 super Hyd or LT 50 but the price $$$ of these mills are outrages. All that being said looking for your opinion on the LM2K vs the LM29 as price is much more reasonable with the hobby entry level mills. thanks for your time!
The LM2K is more inline with the HD36. If you went with the LM29 you would see a downgrade in the structure of the frame and carriage components. Woodland Mills is really building some nice frames and carriages. If it were in my budget, I would go for a woodmizer but not any of their entry level. Can be hard to justify that much money invested in a hobby. Would definitely want to try to generate some income to recoup that investment.
@@RedToolHouse Thanks for the speedy reply! Just watching the video series of the cabin build! Just love it! It is so important to spend as much time with family as you can! What an amazing structure build but more importantly memories developed! Again thank you so much for these videos and your honesty! Regards, Bernard MacNeil Nova Scotia Canada 🇨🇦
Hi fellow lm 29 owner. I to purchased my saw i kit form and tryed to assemble it and like you had issues only my issues were with the blade covers not lining up. it took a couple trys but i finally took my head assembly to norwood to solve the issues and i 4 hrs after they checked over my entire head assembly and i was loaded back up and on my way home. Now i was told if they could not find a problum it would cost me . well no charge . Wow i was happy it wasn,t just in my brain. Any time i have had a issue with my say it was taken care of . With that said before you move your saw i hope you got the assembly head hold down clips that are an option with trailer package. I had my trailer custom made for me and then bolted my saw directly to the trailer so now i am mobile. And yes i learned the hard way about the saw assembly tied down not holding and having the unit flew of the front of trailer and smashing into my truck. did about 1200.00 damage to saw. Now on a funnier note
@@beararms3777 I was a novice Sawyer and the trees in my area are from 18 to 48 inch diameter. I figured if I was doing this alone the max I thought I could personally handle around 27-28 in round. Now I did look at the price at the time I could afford the 29 but not the hd36. I believe the standard 36 was around $7900. At the time as my 29 was around $4500. a big difference and what I was comfortable with at that time. Now my mill was extended to 24 ft but I had a custom made trailer made for it. And then I got the Kohler engine. Hope this is of help
bought 29 a few months back, hate the dogging system, and there isn't an upgrade available, the main problem i having is anything over 22 or 3 inch my log clamp crank handle, stick out past the saw slider rail so the saw head wont pass the first log clamp going to try wedging the log instead of clamping it but worried the log will roll and takeout my saw head, feel i was mislead and bought a lumbermate 22 not a 29, saw runs good cuts straight, really wish i would of bought the 36 great channel keep up the good work
I am talking to them about a dogging system similar to the old LM2000 which is what I am used to. I have wedged the log in the past if it was too big for the screw clamp. You do have to be VERY careful it doesn't come loose like you said.
Sometimes you can lower your log rests a little to get them under the curve of the log some to get the log to move over enough to get clearance for the dog. Has worked for me quite a few times, but I have also had the problem you are describing.
@@RedToolHouse you might have. But you need more,. When you had the wide shot pointing out all the features,. You cant really see them,. Perfect time for b roll overlay close up of the part you are talking about. Your videos are near there professional wise
Luckily for you, Koehlers are pretty reliable. Hopefully that means the pull-start won't give you much trouble. If that's not the case, you can always take the pull-start assembly off and start it with a drill. Tis just like starting a car with a chainsaw, without all the potentially lethal bits. Sadly, I have done both, and I only recommend the former lol. Starting a car with a chainsaw is just stupid unless you're stranded in the middle of nowhere during the dead of winter. It's not difficult in theory. It's just difficult to do without hurting yourself lol.
I don’t know if they have different divisions but I bought a Cub Cadet zero turn with a Kohler 22hp v-twin from Tractor Supply and it was junk. We couldn’t even get it started when I got the mower home to remove it from the trailer. I spent 3 years trying to use it and finally just gave up and sold it for a 10th of what I had paid because I didn’t want to cheat someone. The guy that bought it thought he had stolen it and laughed the whole time he was loading it. I saw him a couple months later and he told me he sees my point that every time he uses it he has to work on it. I sincerely hope that I just got a lemon and you don’t have any problems but I think that Kohler has moved a lot of their manufacturing to India and quality may suffer.
@@RedToolHouse That applies to anything that's made in a factory these days. A by-product of mass-production and the cut corners that come with it, is that you might get a good one or you might get a bad one, depending on your luck. That applies to pretty much every company out there. The good companies just have a higher ratio of good ones to bad ones that they let out the door.
I agree Troy, I was not hating I was simply stating that my sincere hope is that you have a long and trouble free experience with the Kohler. All I was saying is that it seems they aren’t held to the same quality standards that they were 30 years ago when you could practically put sand in the oil and keep running them lol (not literally).
Keolher is more expensive, but they the best small engine made IMO. They will outlast a Honda or Briggs. My dad has a old troybuilt rear tine tiller that's about 35 years old that's never been kept garaged, covered or an type of protection from the weather and it will crank up and run like a brand new tiller. It's old and it does take a little eather and muscle to fire it up, but it starts every time! Take a Kohler anyday myself.
How where parts shipped ? Truck freight or a 100 ups boxes ? When young hand started a 14 hp k , was wind and start rope type. Made a 4 ft pull rope, one full pull with choke full on, if above 30 F started , had to get to that choke quick tho go to off gradual. Below 30 May of had second pull involved. Today's gasoline is sub standard & when left sitting with out a good quality stabilizer added, you just may pull your guts out and work up a sweat. I hope it doesn't have a automatic choke on it. Happy pulling till you convert it. I'm guessing it's max pull be two feet. Like your crazy way of explaining things. So for 8k how much lumber got to mill before you break even ? I know handiness is nice & ya got the trees, truth be known least 8k board feet or more ? I'd think more. I can't get good solid hemlock for .45¢ a board foot all day long round here. Plz figure it out.
They came in numbered boxes that weer to be opened base upon the instructions. Choke is manual and standalone. I put stabilizer in all my single cylinder engines. When I used to mill for pay with my old norwood, I paid for it the first year. This one will take longer since it will be jsut for me without any retail income. Some wood for the wood shop is hard to place a value on since it will be so unique at times.
A mill this size is not for production work, and you’d wear yourself out trying to make money that way. But it’s perfect for home use and custom sawing. And I guarantee oak goes for a whole lot more than 45 cents a board foot!
Did you ever mention the cost of the saw mill? I must keep missing it, but I keep going back and forth and not hearing it mentioned at all. You said you're gonna give the cost.
Electric start you say? Im 99% sure you can add a starter and wire for 12v starting all cheaper engines usualy have the flywheel gear and just needa starter added and battery and switch. If not take pull start off and start with cordless electric drill or impact with a socket on crank.......poof electrick start
I like the Norwood price and sawhead, but not the track. I think the rails have too many pieces/bolts to assemble and maintain. The deep rails are also over-engineered for stationary mills and therefore more costly than needed since all they have to support is the saw (maybe the rigidity helps on trailers though). Only the bunks need to support the log weight, but for some reason leveling feet are put on the rails (I've seen them bend). I prefer the simpler track design of the Frontier or Woodland Mills and their bunks sure look more sturdy.
@@RedToolHouse The Frontier OS27 (developed by Norwood) looks like a slightly upgraded Woodland Mills HM126 in many ways (1" more log diameter, 1" more max cut height, 1/2' longer logs, bigger standard motor, heavier, Norwood sawhead innovations). Cheeky move by Norwood, lol. Same max cant width as your LM29, and easier assembly, for about $1000 less, but 2" smaller max log diameter, and no blade support adjustment.
In this video Norwood shows how strong their HD36 rails are by loading a stack of logs perpendicular ua-cam.com/video/oePqIE_ixqM/v-deo.html. That's not how you use a sawmill! The customer pays over $100/foot for those over-engineered rails, lol.
I would tend to agree. Non-channeled galvanized sheet metal of that thickness is entirely insufficient for all but the most delicate of hands, if you ask me. Those frame rails should be C-channel at the very least, not just glorified sheet-work with a million bolt-holes in it that will surely wallow out over time. If it came down to it, if at all possible, I would just buy the saw-head and build my own rack for it. Even stick-welded angle-iron would be better than what that unit came with, and alot cheaper too. If you're at all good at welding, the frame will never shift or wear out on you like bolts will, and it will remain square unless you abuse the hell out of it. Using that as a trailer and expecting it to stay square in the process is a pipe-dream, if you ask me, especially with the tolerances of all those bolt holes stacking up and increasing over time as it wears. 1/1000 of an inch may not mean much to most people, but it all adds up. 1/1000 of an inch of bolt-hole wear and bolt-stretch, stacked up over the hundreds of fasteners involved, is not insignificant.
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You cover topics I don't see many others covering. Good channel.
Thanks very much for sharing your Experience with us I’m looking forward to purchasing one
Little wonder why so many of us LOVE your videos. Troy, you are an EDUCATOR and all should find your videos informational and unbiased.
Thanks for all your efforts at producing the excellent videos. YOU are TOPS.
May you continue producing your videos as long as you wish...
Thanks, Peter. I appreciate the feedback
When I retire in 6 years I will have a Norwood HD36 hydraulic system mill I have two cabins two barns and one wood shed to build. I can’t wait to be building
Sounds great! I hope it works out well for you!
Looking to buy a sawmill and appreciate your video on your honest opinion. Thanks
Very good thanks for sharing your experience I’m looking forward to buy one
Seems to me you are being honest and up front about the mill, so personally I don't care who's poster boy you are, as long as the information given is honest. Thanks for sharing, God bless
Thumbs up. I know nothing about milling, but this was so informative. Mainly I love the videography. Good lighting, sensitive cutaways and editing, but most of all, outstanding audio. Very slick!
Loved your video…..great info,,narration and humor,,,,
Thanks for sharing
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Very insightful video.. just window shopping atm but definitely the best video I've seen yet... thanks
Glad it was helpful!
We just finished assembling our HD 36 with the trailer this week, so far so good, it took us about 30 man hours to assemble. Had to call tech support 3 times for minor things. I had a live person on the phone quickly every time and got my question answered one question the called me back to follow up. So far very happy.
Awesome. Anxious to hear how the HD36 performs. You can get some awesome features with it.
I always wait to thumbs up until i actually learn something. Didn't take long bud. Liked and subbed. About to purchase my first mill and in this size class. Great job👍😎👌
Troy,good video and explains everything .Like I said before I have the same mill with about 300 hrs on it.As far as the log stops go you will probley not have a problem with them.I have bent the holder that they go in.Only because I loaded a huge log with the forks on my tractor and rolled it to hard against them.A little hint on your water tank you have to turn on and adjust flow each time. What I have done is went to briggs and got a straight gas tank shutoff.Cut hose and install inline. Now after you set flow all you have todo is turn water on or off without having to adjust flow rate Any questions let me know.
I like that idea with the shut off. Definitely will have to look at that.
I've watched about a dozen of your videos today everything from real estate to tractors to saw mills to chickens,etc. none of which I plan on buying but your deep knowledge of each subject matter pushes me on to the next video, you do a great job of dotting the i's & crossing the t's !! I'm highly impressed by the amount of different skills you have & the reason I've just subscribed to your page ! I lived in Williamson WV when I was a young boy & have never forgotten its raw rugged beauty, hope to make it back for a visit one day !
Thanks for watching! Williamson is about an hour away from us.
The total cost surprised me, was expecting much more. Thank you for the info. Other Sawyers never mention cost.
can we purchest it
Can you show us how you would tie down the carriage when trailering the mill long distances? Also would you consider giving us a tutorial on how sharpen and set blades? Thanks for everything you post, I really enjoy your candid and practical videos!
A peavy is a short hafted log hook with a pointed spike at its end. Similar to a cant hook but having a shorter handle.
Pee vee has a spike on the end. Used them in the 80 s to push logs around I the river also the spike was great when you lost balance. Can't hook has a horizontal spike to grab the log. Luca
Thank you for the review. I am doing my research on Sawmills for purpose of a purchase and found this helpful to assist in my selection and understanding of the product. You did a good job explaining the features and issues. I am intimidated by the assembly process and that is what I am most concerned with. If I could go someplace and buy it already built, I would have already purchased one and had it in my barn. I appreciate your review. Thanks, Jim from Coarsegold CA.
It may seem daunting to put it together but it isn't overly technical. The alignment of the track was the most detailed portion. If you are comfortable doing small scale maintenance and repair of things then you should be fine.
@@RedToolHouse love the sawmill video. My granddaddy had the old style saw mills. Loved working with him at the mill as a kid.what name brand of suppenders?
Great review, got some great tips for my own sawmill build.
Your have great clear and concise information.
Great review
Sweet set up!
Thanks!
love to hear how they took care of your problems did they tell you they were going to give you the blades for your trouble or did they just ship them with a note.also did they do it because you were going to do a video on their mill.i liked the video you did a fair assessment of it thanks
They told me they were going to send it. I don't think the video influenced that decision much. They were really surprised by the mistakes and wanted to keep my business it appeared.
Thanks for posting your review, great detail! I'm looking at either the LM29 or Woodland Mills 130. question for you - any concerns with the risk of theft since you bought a mill on wheels? I have a 55 AC farm with 2 fields / roads, and forest - so a trailer would be nice, but my off the grid farm is a 2ndary property, (I'm not there every day), so theft is reason for not wanting it on a trailer.
Nice job sir.
ID10T error... priceless. Thanks for the video, too!
I love Norwood. Just wish I could build with rough cut lumber.
Yea that can be a problem . You have to live in an unregistered township like you know who to be able to use your own wood that you get from your bush .
Regulation takes all the fun out of things
If it is used to house people then we must use stamped lumber. At lest where we live. In some unorganized counties this is not required. @Steve Slade
I hope the mill lasts a long time and gives you good service.
Thanks!
Hello, is it possible to say something about petrol consumption on that Kohler engine? Thanks!
I went with woodmizer lt40 super hydraulic 42hp kubota Diesel. I'm glad I did 4 years later. I'm beat at end of the day now with hydraulics!!!! Norwood is a good machine though. Enjoy
I absolutely love my LM 29 and I believe that it’s one of the best purchases I’ve ever made. And by the way It can pay for itself very quickly!
I would love to have a mill.
I got one of the small ones to cut my own slabs for woodworking and ended up making more from selling the slabs that I only do woodworking now for stuff my wife and I need lol
You should flip your second cut 180. That way your 3rd cut has a flat edge against the stop, and a flat edge to put a square against.
Agreed
Good- info.
Very informative video and well made. Good luck. I'm in Northern Nevada in the desert so don't have much need for a mill. I am a woodworker though and use a much smaller band-saw. Cheers
Jim Curnow Stagecoach, NV
Thanks for the review. I watched your 6 month as well.
I've been researching several mills for the last few years off and on. When watching the employees do a review it's not the same.
My biggest concern is the cost.
Though Norwood is a beefy in their construction, they're a bit pricey.
They have a lower end product line they just introduced. Frontier I think it is called. I don't know much about them.
So I'm getting ready to purchase a bandmill. I've been around both Woodmizer and Timberking never Norwood.
Seems like the Norwood is way less expensive than the other Mills. If money was no object, and I'm not in that category, but if you could buy any mill you wanted what would you buy?
Can you show us how to change a blade? Setting tension, blade run out, guide adjustment etc? How many times can you join a blade with the adjustment available? Do you sharpen your own? I used to make, join and sharpen 3/8" and 1/2" blades from 100m rolls for High Schools in Western Australia and a bit of pocket money for our Manual Arts Dept. Do you keep joining when they snap? Do you have hardened or standard teeth?
New a garage door installer the had the tightening tool come loose and penetrate a 4 x 6 beam.
Ouch. That would be a bad day to get in the way of that.
Your sarcastic humor continues to crack me up... "...about a hundred dollars for these suckers, so, they're proud of those." I always appreciate your videos. Thanks again.
Chris Spurr kelly says I have the spiritual gift of sarcasm.
Ha Ha Ha! I like it! That's a good thing, especially in a far too serious world. I always say, if you can't laugh at yourself, you're in for a rough ride in this life. Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos for the benefit of so many others. We truly appreciate it.
Thanks for watching!
You purchased the sawmill that you wanted, period. With that said, thank you for taking the time to record this video which aptly presents your reasons for purchasing the Norwood sawmill which you wanted, your trials and tribulations in the sawmill's assembly, the manufacturers responses to your problems and the end product.
Personally, I would never consider any model of the Norwood brand of sawmill for purchase. In my personal opinion, other than the well made and dependable drive motors which are available for each of that manufacturers models, the sawmills themselves are of poor/cheap/undependable quality. But there again, its the buyer's choice and for the most part in our business world, it is well known and understood, that you will get what you pay for.
My brother's has been running for 18 years now with little repairs needed. I built it when we first bought it so I was happy with the build. Granted, mills over 10K have many more features but I could not justify that expense for farm milling.
@@RedToolHouse I hope that your new Norwood sawmill lives up to your expectations, Happy Holidays !!!
Only time will tell. Thanks for watching and commenting
Also the thumb screw on the post rests............my old thomas built is like that. Its like 20yo and they still work good
Good to know!
Troy i think the kohler engine is the way to go. Ive got an old wheel horse tractor thats a 1968 model. Tractor and tranny is wore real good but the old Kohler engine is as strong as ever. Ive never had a Briggs to last that long. It just keeps on going. I really like your mill. I might look into one of these. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us. It was very helpful. 👍👍👍👍👍
Wow, that is getting some longevity out of that engine
We also have an old Wheel Horse, the Kohler still runs great, also the gentleman next door, has a old Wheel Horse that the Kohler is running great. I think they're both from around 1968-72. Other than oil, filters and spark plugs, I think the only thing are's has needed was a new starter.
Thank you for this video. I'm sure the perk for video from Norwood took the sting out of your trials and tribulations.
I was curious to know if the components are made here or abroad.
Also wondering if regrets not going with a used woodmizer. Personally the mix ups in parts would drive me crazy.
Great video. Looks like i’ll be going with this brand. Very helpful. 👍👍
Good luck with it!
I'm curious about the side rails, did you have any issues with assembly in keeping them straight (level) and parallel to one another or did you have the need to use a string line for adjustments ?
The instructions emphasize the need to be very meticulous about that. If you watch our time lapse video from several weeks ago, you can see us shimming and using a string line to make sure they were aligned perfectly.
Must have been a pain in the ass considering the amount of parts, i would imagine to keep shipping costs down. Do they recommend a thread locker for assembly ? Or just the cheap lock washers.
Almost forgot, love your videos, cheers from ottawa canada.
PS. Pay no attention to our prime minister hes an idiot.
They use nylon lock nuts and flange nuts to keep things in place.
This was a great video . You certainly talked about all the parts of getting and owning a new mill . Nothing wrong in giving an attaboy to a company when it's well deserved . They took care of you even when they had your money including a few extras . Can't go wrong with that . Anyone can sell you a mill . It's the after market service that's important . Norwood Canada is only a 2 hour drive from where I am . I drive right by it 6 times a year
Customer service goes a long way!
I'm heading to Norwood in Oro-Medonte tomorrow, to look at their LumberPro HD36. Hopefully I like what I see. I live in Mississauga.
Great video, really informative. It really helped me make the decision to go for a Norwood mill. Will try to get it with a Honda engine if possible.
ok as a business owner to I have no tolerance for errs 1 part ok 3or4 no thanks plenty of half witt companys love your honesty
Best review,thank you.!
The video showing the Assembly of the HD-36 carriage assembly dosen't appear to be all that difficult. Is thare a major difference with the LM-29 Carriage assembly, if so, what is the difference.
I would LOVE doing what you do but my, you have deep pockets. How many acres should a newbie focus on? I would not like any neighbors within a mile so I can shoot without bothering anyone?
Brand new, looks just out off the box, a few boards stacked on it, now saw dust anywhere close that I can see. Is this a commercial? Looks like it to me!
Feel free to watch the six month review or any of the multitude of videos on our channel using the mill over the last 3 years. ua-cam.com/video/4oWWI-6P0tU/v-deo.html
I bought the same exact mill this fall. In your review you just confirmed all the questioning i had when i had to decide what options to add. The only option i bought which is not working well is the kwik clamp that we can use after we have done the cant on the log. You did mentioned this on an earlier video. I have asked Norwood if the clamping system from the 36 can be adapted to the 29 and the answer was no. It is to bad because the 36 clamping system seems to be a-lot more effective. What is your assessment on this?
Thanks from New-Brunswick Canada
The clamp will work but you have to wedge something (wood shim) into the area where the clamp pipe meets the side rail, this takes out the play in the pipe. When you clamp, don't clamp directly vertical, try the 11 or 1 o'clock position. Mine holds almost every time once it did those things.
Greeting RTH! Love your videos and really enjoy your honsesty when discribing your mill. I still use a LM 2000 with a 23 HP. I must say it has been an amazing little mill for my personal use. In your opinion how does the LM 2k fair up to the LM29? I am thinking of upgrading but not sure to stay with Norwood or not. There is a lot of competition in the hobby use mills these days Norwood/Woodland/Champion/Woodmizer etc. I am thinking of more of a hyd. mill to make turning cants/loading easier (I am not getting any younger). I am leaning towards a LT40 super Hyd or LT 50 but the price $$$ of these mills are outrages. All that being said looking for your opinion on the LM2K vs the LM29 as price is much more reasonable with the hobby entry level mills.
thanks for your time!
The LM2K is more inline with the HD36. If you went with the LM29 you would see a downgrade in the structure of the frame and carriage components. Woodland Mills is really building some nice frames and carriages. If it were in my budget, I would go for a woodmizer but not any of their entry level. Can be hard to justify that much money invested in a hobby. Would definitely want to try to generate some income to recoup that investment.
@@RedToolHouse Thanks for the speedy reply! Just watching the video series of the cabin build! Just love it! It is so important to spend as much time with family as you can! What an amazing structure build but more importantly memories developed!
Again thank you so much for these videos and your honesty!
Regards,
Bernard MacNeil
Nova Scotia Canada 🇨🇦
Hi fellow lm 29 owner. I to purchased my saw i kit form and tryed to assemble it and like you had issues only my issues were with the blade covers not lining up. it took a couple trys but i finally took my head assembly to norwood to solve the issues and i 4 hrs after they checked over my entire head assembly and i was loaded back up and on my way home. Now i was told if they could not find a problum it would cost me . well no charge . Wow i was happy it wasn,t just in my brain. Any time i have had a issue with my say it was taken care of . With that said before you move your saw i hope you got the assembly head hold down clips that are an option with trailer package. I had my trailer custom made for me and then bolted my saw directly to the trailer so now i am mobile. And yes i learned the hard way about the saw assembly tied down not holding and having the unit flew of the front of trailer and smashing into my truck. did about 1200.00 damage to saw. Now on a funnier note
Sounds like they took good care of you.
Yes they did. I also explained my concerns on their trailers and they did not make me feel like they did not care.
Any reason you went with the 29 instead of the HD 36?
@@beararms3777 I was a novice Sawyer and the trees in my area are from 18 to 48 inch diameter. I figured if I was doing this alone the max I thought I could personally handle around 27-28 in round. Now I did look at the price at the time I could afford the 29 but not the hd36. I believe the standard 36 was around $7900. At the time as my 29 was around $4500. a big difference and what I was comfortable with at that time. Now my mill was extended to 24 ft but I had a custom made trailer made for it. And then I got the Kohler engine. Hope this is of help
Where did you get your log grapple for your tractor?
Norwood makes it. They have two sizes available on their website.
bought 29 a few months back, hate the dogging system, and there isn't an upgrade available, the main problem i having is anything over 22 or 3 inch my log clamp crank handle, stick out past the saw slider rail so the saw head wont pass the first log clamp going to try wedging the log instead of clamping it but worried the log will roll and takeout my saw head, feel i was mislead and bought a lumbermate 22 not a 29, saw runs good cuts straight, really wish i would of bought the 36
great channel keep up the good
work
I am talking to them about a dogging system similar to the old LM2000 which is what I am used to. I have wedged the log in the past if it was too big for the screw clamp. You do have to be VERY careful it doesn't come loose like you said.
Sometimes you can lower your log rests a little to get them under the curve of the log some to get the log to move over enough to get clearance for the dog. Has worked for me quite a few times, but I have also had the problem you are describing.
How do they hold up setting out in the weather. I've seen some with tarps around engine and controls but never anyone around to talk to about it.
So far so good. I have surface rust on some of the bolts on the bed but other than that it is ok.
How is l og loader and log tuner
you should get some b roll when showing all the features to cut in afterwards, great videos.
I thought I had done that...what did I miss?
@@RedToolHouse you might have. But you need more,. When you had the wide shot pointing out all the features,. You cant really see them,. Perfect time for b roll overlay close up of the part you are talking about.
Your videos are near there professional wise
Luckily for you, Koehlers are pretty reliable. Hopefully that means the pull-start won't give you much trouble. If that's not the case, you can always take the pull-start assembly off and start it with a drill. Tis just like starting a car with a chainsaw, without all the potentially lethal bits. Sadly, I have done both, and I only recommend the former lol. Starting a car with a chainsaw is just stupid unless you're stranded in the middle of nowhere during the dead of winter. It's not difficult in theory. It's just difficult to do without hurting yourself lol.
Yeah, I am hoping it holds up. Proper maintenance will be critical
I don’t know if they have different divisions but I bought a Cub Cadet zero turn with a Kohler 22hp v-twin from Tractor Supply and it was junk. We couldn’t even get it started when I got the mower home to remove it from the trailer. I spent 3 years trying to use it and finally just gave up and sold it for a 10th of what I had paid because I didn’t want to cheat someone. The guy that bought it thought he had stolen it and laughed the whole time he was loading it. I saw him a couple months later and he told me he sees my point that every time he uses it he has to work on it. I sincerely hope that I just got a lemon and you don’t have any problems but I think that Kohler has moved a lot of their manufacturing to India and quality may suffer.
I have had similar issues with Briggs. I think there is always a chance to get a bad one.
@@RedToolHouse That applies to anything that's made in a factory these days. A by-product of mass-production and the cut corners that come with it, is that you might get a good one or you might get a bad one, depending on your luck. That applies to pretty much every company out there. The good companies just have a higher ratio of good ones to bad ones that they let out the door.
I agree Troy, I was not hating I was simply stating that my sincere hope is that you have a long and trouble free experience with the Kohler. All I was saying is that it seems they aren’t held to the same quality standards that they were 30 years ago when you could practically put sand in the oil and keep running them lol (not literally).
Do you tarp that to keep it out of weather?
Yes, we tarp it now. Maybe a saw mill shed in the future?
Koehler is a good engine but they are proud of their parts. Lot more expensive than Briggs or Honda in my experience.
Keolher is more expensive, but they the best small engine made IMO. They will outlast a Honda or Briggs. My dad has a old troybuilt rear tine tiller that's about 35 years old that's never been kept garaged, covered or an type of protection from the weather and it will crank up and run like a brand new tiller. It's old and it does take a little eather and muscle to fire it up, but it starts every time! Take a Kohler anyday myself.
Pee vee has a spike on the end
I should sell my mark 4 Norwood mill and upgrade
Almost a year now. Update soon??? Like the post.
Yes! Soon.
The price of log loader and log tuner
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Haha “electric fence”. My dogs learned the first time and it never happened again.
If those plastic handles don't last you can replace them with either die cast zinc or 303 stainless steel from McMaster-Carr. www.McMaster.com
Cool. Thanks!
I was leaning to this saw. But after seeing this video. I didn't like it as good as the bigger one.
How where parts shipped ? Truck freight or a 100 ups boxes ?
When young hand started a 14 hp k , was wind and start rope type.
Made a 4 ft pull rope, one full pull with choke full on, if above 30 F started , had to get to that choke quick tho go to off gradual.
Below 30 May of had second pull involved.
Today's gasoline is sub standard & when left sitting with out a good quality stabilizer added, you just may pull your guts out and work up a sweat.
I hope it doesn't have a automatic choke on it.
Happy pulling till you convert it.
I'm guessing it's max pull be two feet. Like your crazy way of explaining things.
So for 8k how much lumber got to mill before you break even ?
I know handiness is nice & ya got the trees, truth be known least 8k board feet or more ? I'd think more.
I can't get good solid hemlock for .45¢ a board foot all day long round here.
Plz figure it out.
They came in numbered boxes that weer to be opened base upon the instructions. Choke is manual and standalone. I put stabilizer in all my single cylinder engines. When I used to mill for pay with my old norwood, I paid for it the first year. This one will take longer since it will be jsut for me without any retail income. Some wood for the wood shop is hard to place a value on since it will be so unique at times.
A mill this size is not for production work, and you’d wear yourself out trying to make money that way. But it’s perfect for home use and custom sawing. And I guarantee oak goes for a whole lot more than 45 cents a board foot!
Did you ever mention the cost of the saw mill? I must keep missing it, but I keep going back and forth and not hearing it mentioned at all. You said you're gonna give the cost.
Yes, the end of the video details all the prices.
I like this norwood machine saw mill and also I want buy it but the problem is not have in India market plz export to India this machine
Oh yeah, a 30+ minute video... perfect.
Milne Family Farm watch it at 2x playback speed! My wife does.
@@RedToolHouse
I wasn't complaining, I like the longer content videos. I was legitimately saying "this is perfect!".
That comes off more than a bit sarcastically, just so you're aware.
Sorry, sarcasm is my default
I think I just understood why my wife always asks if I'm being sarcastic...
no, i'm not stupid ….. LOL very impressive they gave you the wrong axel.
Electric start you say? Im 99% sure you can add a starter and wire for 12v starting all cheaper engines usualy have the flywheel gear and just needa starter added and battery and switch. If not take pull start off and start with cordless electric drill or impact with a socket on crank.......poof electrick start
That was the first thing I looked at (retro fit). The cordless drill is a great idea!
I like the Norwood price and sawhead, but not the track. I think the rails have too many pieces/bolts to assemble and maintain. The deep rails are also over-engineered for stationary mills and therefore more costly than needed since all they have to support is the saw (maybe the rigidity helps on trailers though). Only the bunks need to support the log weight, but for some reason leveling feet are put on the rails (I've seen them bend). I prefer the simpler track design of the Frontier or Woodland Mills and their bunks sure look more sturdy.
I haven't seen a Woodland up close but I have been interested in the frontier setup. Never ran one, though.
I haven't seen a Woodland up close but I have been interested in the frontier setup. Never ran one, though.
@@RedToolHouse The Frontier OS27 (developed by Norwood) looks like a slightly upgraded Woodland Mills HM126 in many ways (1" more log diameter, 1" more max cut height, 1/2' longer logs, bigger standard motor, heavier, Norwood sawhead innovations). Cheeky move by Norwood, lol. Same max cant width as your LM29, and easier assembly, for about $1000 less, but 2" smaller max log diameter, and no blade support adjustment.
In this video Norwood shows how strong their HD36 rails are by loading a stack of logs perpendicular ua-cam.com/video/oePqIE_ixqM/v-deo.html. That's not how you use a sawmill! The customer pays over $100/foot for those over-engineered rails, lol.
I would tend to agree. Non-channeled galvanized sheet metal of that thickness is entirely insufficient for all but the most delicate of hands, if you ask me. Those frame rails should be C-channel at the very least, not just glorified sheet-work with a million bolt-holes in it that will surely wallow out over time.
If it came down to it, if at all possible, I would just buy the saw-head and build my own rack for it. Even stick-welded angle-iron would be better than what that unit came with, and alot cheaper too. If you're at all good at welding, the frame will never shift or wear out on you like bolts will, and it will remain square unless you abuse the hell out of it.
Using that as a trailer and expecting it to stay square in the process is a pipe-dream, if you ask me, especially with the tolerances of all those bolt holes stacking up and increasing over time as it wears. 1/1000 of an inch may not mean much to most people, but it all adds up. 1/1000 of an inch of bolt-hole wear and bolt-stretch, stacked up over the hundreds of fasteners involved, is not insignificant.
ID-10-T... bahahaha love it!
We get that error a lot around here.
Red Tool House - Homestead I can relate!
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