This test is meaningless if they used modern balls with persimmon woods. The ball changed more than anything else, the two piece and later 3 piece ball construction will not compress properly unless you're using a modern club.
Not really. They only focused on the differences between clubs throughout the years. With changing balls they couldn't have compared the different eras with each other
@@alexle2785 you two are both idiots. him for not getting that it is a club comparison and you for not getting that the balls are just as much a factor of player performance over time as the clubs are. Probably even more so.
touristguy87 yeh I agree lol, golf balls are probably equal to clubs. But, no one talks about shafts which are equally if not more important than the club head.
Luke Adams exactly I mean he hit a few 250+ yards, got a few within a few feet with irons. Improvement on his putting he becomes a 10 or less handicap.
1:02, Lee hits one 236 yards and the arrow goes halfway through the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner. 1:14, Lee hits one 256 yards and the arrow goes just shy of the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner, finishing slightly shorter than the previous shot. 1:25, Lee hits one 188 yards that goes well past the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner. Do these stats and numbers mean anything when they aren't being correctly represented?
Same thing with any of the chip shots to the greens. If you watch the guy on the left, his distances are often less than 10ft. But the green tracker in the corner of his window is all over the place. It’s pretty frustrating because now I’m not sure if any of the data is accurate or even real.
I am 58 years old. When I started out,m all the drivers were WOOD. The first metal woods were still the exact same size as a persimmon driver head, so I hit those well. The larger the club head got, the worse I got. I used to be a 10 Handicap, but am now a 25, with all new equipment. Wow I feel lucky. The only good thing I have found is the ball technology, and I can hit forged blades better than a cavity back, which is awesome. I just cannot drive the ball like I used to. I have lost about 75 yards with the driver, and cannot find the fairway. So new technology is not always the best, especially when you played with old wooden clubs what back in the day. I could hit the ball dead straight and about 280 yards back in the 1970's. Today, with the same swing speed I had as a kid, I am lucky to get a total roll out of 215 with my 460CC driver. I also lose about 6-10 balls a round. My swing speed is not as much as younger guys, but at almost 60 years old, I still have a 94-98MPH driver swing speed, and my drives are only going 215 yards. So tell me that technology is better now and i will tell you NOT FOR ME. Not with any of the woods anyway. All of the guys in this test was not alive when the smaller drivers were still being used, so this is not a fair test. Give me a persimmon driver and a steel shaft and i will probably do much better than with todays equipment. And the main problem with todays super sized drivers, is nobody knows when they hit the screws, so to speak. WE have people like, Tiger getting away with tons of miss hits and could never keep up with Jack and the wooden drivers. You have to hit the middle. You have to be more precise. Todays clubs just tell everyone, you can be lazy and miss hit and you will still be OK.
Just FYI: The Louisville Golf Club Company can make you brand new Persimmon woods. They also will give you the option of which shaft and grip! Same age as you. I am pretty sure that the ball back then was better matched to the wood clubhead and today’s balls do not react as well to wood. As to your only getting 215 or so on your drives: sounds like the flex point is wrong on your driver shaft. With your swing speed you should be closer to 250 or so..... Good luck. Hope you get this message
Total misrepresentation. Bob Jones could hit a hickory shafted brassie 240 using a Haskell ball. Technology may have made things easier but it will never make up for poor technique.
You clearly picked a putt on a ridge. They miss an inch left it moves left, miss an inch right, it moves right. I think you could have picked a less exacting putt to get a more accurate result.
(PLS. READ) To be Honest. Putter doesn't have any technology to improve your game. It only makes trampoline effect, softer feel and design.... But in the end if you're crap at putting, you are crap (I just use Maruman Cessi Blade Putter)... I'm 17 yrs old and I love my Mizuno Pro (MS-801) Iron Blades, it's stiff, heaver than graphite and Less forgiving shots(Hurts when hit the ground or ball). But the good thing is It helps you to become a better golfer, you need to improve your swing and the Impact on the club face should be on the center to make if further, and it have more feedback! (When I say FEEDBACK it means you felt every single shot and you know if you done it right) and I sold my Taylormade Burner. BUY OLD BLADE so it will test and improve your skills and cheaper. My dad bought Honma FE-700 because he was jealous of my blades😂.... The Modern Woods is very important!
I am super new to golf. Only played about 5-8 rounds. What is a handicap? I thought it was a number you took off your score at the end if you were bad or something. But after watching this series I’m not sure lol
A golf handicap is the average number of strokes a person has to take off their score to reach par for the course. If the average 18 hole course is a par 72 and you shoot on average 75 then you have a handicap of -3 because you have to take off 3 strokes to get to that 72. A scratch golfer means that you have a handicap of 0 and you shoot a par 72 on average. If you shoot better than par on average then you actually get a positive handicap. Shooting 1 under par on average means you have +1 handicap. The average PGA golf handicap is +5.4 which is insanely good. To put this into perspective, if you can reach a -4.5 handicap you are better than about 90% of all golfers and PGA players are still 10 strokes better than you on average which doesn't take into consideration the top players. Rickie Fowler at one point reached an 8.4 handicap which is the lowest of all time. So yes you are right, if you are bad you take off score if you have a negative handicap and add score if you are a positive handicap.
Now I understand why there is so much misinformation about "The Golf Swing". No CEO would want all his money going to a Golf pro that can teach a simple effective swing in two lessons when he can sell clubs that will help as advertised much more.
This is a great testimonial to our message that clubs have changed in their physics components at every level except putting. there putting performance in this video was 4 for 15 with the newest putters, 4 for 15 with an earlier model, and 6 for 15 with the old hickory shaft putter. They saw a dramatic difference in the results using the newest driver and iron versus the oldest ones, but not with the putters.Putter physics technology has not changed in over 100 years. www.L2putters.com
My handicap has not improved with modern technology, I used to play 9 and 10 with no practice playing once a week 35 years ago, 12 and 13 now with modern equipment, no practice, my length has improved slightly though. Lots of other factors probably but interesting none the less
I played with someone that chooses to use a hickory putter over the modern equipment. It looks like an old broom stick with a butter knife attached to it
Entertainment but no real data. Sample size is too small, giving inconsistent results. Viewers want to justify new clubs so they go with the general tone of "newer is better." Spend the money on training and range time, there are no shortcuts.
Point proven...but IMO, barely. These guys were all over the place no matter what clubs they were using. Wow that was a hot mess. I think the actual point proven was that across 100 years, yeah - technology matters - particularly with driver - I'll grant that. But when it comes to irons and especially putter, not as much as you'd think...and certainly not as much as golf club manufacturers would like you to think. Sheesh, if golf club manufacturer advertising over the last 20yrs was accurate, 18 handicappers then would be playing pro level now. Decent set of golf clubs with no trade-in is about equal to a dozen golf lessons. Moral of the story: A dozen golf lessons gonna do a heck of a lot more for your game then a new set of clubs.
Using hickery clubs with prov1s like come on
This test is meaningless if they used modern balls with persimmon woods. The ball changed more than anything else, the two piece and later 3 piece ball construction will not compress properly unless you're using a modern club.
Agreed 100%
Based on what?...
100O% right. Phil M gained 30 yards when he changed to the v1.
cavemeister7262 Phil plays callaway clubs and balls
oh no, they won't compress "properly"!!!!!
go back and look at the changes in driving and iron distance as they changed clubs
Did everything right but one thing. They should have used the ball they used back then also.
Not really. They only focused on the differences between clubs throughout the years. With changing balls they couldn't have compared the different eras with each other
@@alexle2785 you two are both idiots. him for not getting that it is a club comparison and you for not getting that the balls are just as much a factor of player performance over time as the clubs are. Probably even more so.
touristguy87 yeh I agree lol, golf balls are probably equal to clubs. But, no one talks about shafts which are equally if not more important than the club head.
@@sensationalseb7576 golf equipment is only a real problem when it is a really bad match for a player.
It would at least have changed the way they felt about the feel. Modern range balls and that hickory gear would not be fun
The ball's technology wasn't taken into consideration whatsoever.
Only reason the young kid is such a high handicap is because he can’t putt. His golf swing looks pretty solid
Jacob Valenzuela and he hit it a decent distance
Luke Adams exactly I mean he hit a few 250+ yards, got a few within a few feet with irons. Improvement on his putting he becomes a 10 or less handicap.
It's way over the top, but he has potential.
You guys pretty much have my game figured out after a 9 min video. Can't putt if my life depended on it. One day.
@@BlakeKueny You'll get there my man, just keep practicing.
8:23 "glad i was born in this century" looking old for someone under 19 years of age.
7:16 that’s a shank!,!!
Lmao as soon as he hit it my arm immediately without even thinking pointed out to the right like I was a Marshall 😂
Whats with the avg. to pin data? 18 handicapper hit the green once and somehow has the best proximity.
yeah it was all out of wack, the young kid topped a wedge and still managed to make it to 15 yards.
Absolutely love the hickory era outfits!
No surprise the better ball striker struggled with the juiced loft SGI irons that take spin and launch way down.
1:02, Lee hits one 236 yards and the arrow goes halfway through the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner.
1:14, Lee hits one 256 yards and the arrow goes just shy of the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner, finishing slightly shorter than the previous shot.
1:25, Lee hits one 188 yards that goes well past the valley that runs through the fairway on the map in the corner.
Do these stats and numbers mean anything when they aren't being correctly represented?
Same thing with any of the chip shots to the greens. If you watch the guy on the left, his distances are often less than 10ft. But the green tracker in the corner of his window is all over the place. It’s pretty frustrating because now I’m not sure if any of the data is accurate or even real.
I hit a 1972 persimmon driver quite frequently on the Range. I just enjoy it then I go back to my 460cc TaylorMade
Absolutely fantastic content, really enjoyed it.
Loved to see these old clubs being hit again! Loved the hickory’s!
I have like 30+ I wanna sell 👍
Bomba Deer how much?
@@evankolar8957 go to your local range they're free.99 lool
It makes a big difference I have older clubs.
"im glad i was born in this century" errrrrrrrm?
They should also use vintage balls.
I am 58 years old. When I started out,m all the drivers were WOOD. The first metal woods were still the exact same size as a persimmon driver head, so I hit those well. The larger the club head got, the worse I got. I used to be a 10 Handicap, but am now a 25, with all new equipment. Wow I feel lucky. The only good thing I have found is the ball technology, and I can hit forged blades better than a cavity back, which is awesome. I just cannot drive the ball like I used to. I have lost about 75 yards with the driver, and cannot find the fairway. So new technology is not always the best, especially when you played with old wooden clubs what back in the day. I could hit the ball dead straight and about 280 yards back in the 1970's. Today, with the same swing speed I had as a kid, I am lucky to get a total roll out of 215 with my 460CC driver. I also lose about 6-10 balls a round. My swing speed is not as much as younger guys, but at almost 60 years old, I still have a 94-98MPH driver swing speed, and my drives are only going 215 yards. So tell me that technology is better now and i will tell you NOT FOR ME. Not with any of the woods anyway. All of the guys in this test was not alive when the smaller drivers were still being used, so this is not a fair test. Give me a persimmon driver and a steel shaft and i will probably do much better than with todays equipment.
And the main problem with todays super sized drivers, is nobody knows when they hit the screws, so to speak. WE have people like, Tiger getting away with tons of miss hits and could never keep up with Jack and the wooden drivers. You have to hit the middle. You have to be more precise. Todays clubs just tell everyone, you can be lazy and miss hit and you will still be OK.
Go to bed grandpa, you’re getting cranky again
Just FYI: The Louisville Golf Club Company can make you brand new Persimmon woods. They also will give you the option of which shaft and grip!
Same age as you. I am pretty sure that the ball back then was better matched to the wood clubhead and today’s balls do not react as well to wood.
As to your only getting 215 or so on your drives: sounds like the flex point is wrong on your driver shaft. With your swing speed you should be closer to 250 or so.....
Good luck. Hope you get this message
when ure in skateboarding and golfing u know lee! ;)
I was looking for someone to say it I knew he looked familiar!
One of the best vids I've ever seen, superb, thanks !!
Total misrepresentation. Bob Jones could hit a hickory shafted brassie 240 using a Haskell ball. Technology may have made things easier but it will never make up for poor technique.
So the good really wasn't phased (other than distance, which everyone would have struggled with).. and the bad got worse..
Lee! Hopefully I’m not the only one who recognizes him 🛹🛹🛹
Jacob Gustafson dude I keep thinking I wonder if that's Lee, the skating filmer.
You clearly picked a putt on a ridge. They miss an inch left it moves left, miss an inch right, it moves right. I think you could have picked a less exacting putt to get a more accurate result.
Kyle Shevlin putt was a tough one for sure!!
Love these weird challenges
I've been there before. The Grand is a pure course
Lee did so well on the modern irons
This is great, would've loved to try all these
(PLS. READ) To be Honest. Putter doesn't have any technology to improve your game. It only makes trampoline effect, softer feel and design.... But in the end if you're crap at putting, you are crap (I just use Maruman Cessi Blade Putter)... I'm 17 yrs old and I love my Mizuno Pro (MS-801) Iron Blades, it's stiff, heaver than graphite and Less forgiving shots(Hurts when hit the ground or ball). But the good thing is It helps you to become a better golfer, you need to improve your swing and the Impact on the club face should be on the center to make if further, and it have more feedback! (When I say FEEDBACK it means you felt every single shot and you know if you done it right) and I sold my Taylormade Burner. BUY OLD BLADE so it will test and improve your skills and cheaper. My dad bought Honma FE-700 because he was jealous of my blades😂.... The Modern Woods is very important!
Cool video now have them play a round with each set.
What make is that green visor he wears? Like the classic look
imperial
Some old PGA golfers did well in the past decades but technologies does make it easier on the social aspect, learning curve and fun
Blake sounds like Scott disick
lets bring golf back to the classic era
Great video
7:12 90 degree shank
Golf is a classic game good for mature millennials and families. Good to support healthy growing families for the last few hundred years.
Does anyone know what kind of sensor thing they are using for yardage
This was good.
I am super new to golf. Only played about 5-8 rounds. What is a handicap? I thought it was a number you took off your score at the end if you were bad or something. But after watching this series I’m not sure lol
A golf handicap is the average number of strokes a person has to take off their score to reach par for the course. If the average 18 hole course is a par 72 and you shoot on average 75 then you have a handicap of -3 because you have to take off 3 strokes to get to that 72. A scratch golfer means that you have a handicap of 0 and you shoot a par 72 on average. If you shoot better than par on average then you actually get a positive handicap. Shooting 1 under par on average means you have +1 handicap. The average PGA golf handicap is +5.4 which is insanely good. To put this into perspective, if you can reach a -4.5 handicap you are better than about 90% of all golfers and PGA players are still 10 strokes better than you on average which doesn't take into consideration the top players. Rickie Fowler at one point reached an 8.4 handicap which is the lowest of all time. So yes you are right, if you are bad you take off score if you have a negative handicap and add score if you are a positive handicap.
Lee depont is amazing skateboard videographer
It’s the Indian not the arrow
How’d you get lee dupont
....kind of strange nobody commented on the results actually being best for the old garbage?!
now you know why they used an interlock grip back then or overlap
you had to or the club would fly out your hands
I still like hitting wooden drivers
"I don't know how they played with these back in the day" Umm it's called true talent.
Next time, keep the results on the page for longer than 1 second.
M C pause the video
Blake looked the best even with an 18 handicap
He just can’t putt
I think the distance to pin measurements here are BS. One time the middle guy says he shanked the ball and it says 20 feet to the pin. Come on
Does anyone know how lee dawg made it in this video????
Needed to use old golf balls. Redo this with the correct balls. I'm interested to see the real results.
275 with those drivers ?? ... you kidding me I cant even do that with a 460cc..... we are all crap golfers if we went back in time....
Youngster has got some torque
Jesus they had the same exact line on every single put but still they missed most of them
because the ball doesn't roll the same way every time, duh
touristguy87 all about the wind 💨
@@abilityyyy1065 clearly the wind doesn't take the golf ball and roll it 10 feet towards the hole
How technology affects my golf game? It doesn’t, I shoot 150 every round
Lee DuPont is so rad
Lee is 100% not off 13.2
8:23 I thought he was like 30 something
Wow so basically if I just upgrade my clubs I become better. Cuz I'm basically using classic clubs haha
That guy is not a 18 handicapper
He did miss every putt and hit his drives left and right
The guy in middle forgot to add 10 strokes to his handicap - no way a 13 hdcp - minimum 23+
A bad workman always blames his tools..
That only proves that golf was better back then, they had more skill and feel, and they were better ball strikers
If Blake could put oh boy
So really they should practice with old clubs to improve their accuracy. Seems like the tech is masking their poor form.
Yes. That’s why I will give my kid some blades for his first golf set.
8:22 He was born in this century?
id like to use a hickory club
They're using modern balls to make it all about the clubs. Some people in these comments...
Blake is gonna be a player if he sticks with it
Now I understand why there is so much misinformation about "The Golf Swing". No CEO would want all his money going to a Golf pro that can teach a simple effective swing in two lessons when he can sell clubs that will help as advertised much more.
Don’t worry Blake, I can’t putt either.
This is a great testimonial to our message that clubs have changed in their physics components at every level except putting. there putting performance in this video was 4 for 15 with the newest putters, 4 for 15 with an earlier model, and 6 for 15 with the old hickory shaft putter. They saw a dramatic difference in the results using the newest driver and iron versus the oldest ones, but not with the putters.Putter physics technology has not changed in over 100 years. www.L2putters.com
My handicap has not improved with modern technology, I used to play 9 and 10 with no practice playing once a week 35 years ago, 12 and 13 now with modern equipment, no practice, my length has improved slightly though. Lots of other factors probably but interesting none the less
Why didn't you do AT LEAST one of the videos in the series with women golfers??
Because they would hit a persimmon head 12 yards
My name is Bronson. Son of the Brown One
Bronson Cashiola hello other Bronson
Lol I enjoyed this segment man!
I played with someone that chooses to use a hickory putter over the modern equipment. It looks like an old broom stick with a butter knife attached to it
There's days when i putt better with a 90 year old Spalding RF putter than a modern Odyssey #1 Anser style putter
Anyone else hear the WASD intro lol
Blake is acc good just need to make a put
I still play with Wilson 1200 GE IRONS… Gen 1s not gen 2s. 1978-1980s.
You can imagine how Ben Hogan was
lmao I've never heard of someone with my name
Bronson Boyle it’s a rare one for sure. Hello fellow Bronson
I hit clubs in the 80’s better than I do now. I don’t like light shafts. I don’t
No way he's carrying 290
kidbowjb not everyone swings like a girl like you do
Carry it 290. Not trying to be a tough guy, but i carry it 290 regularly. These numbers for distance were very accurate.
We can go play sometime if you ever get out to Souther California. I always enjoy golfing with new people 👍🏽
Adam Wakefield always gotta be a little hate on these videos right ;)
Go to SoCal..I’ll put 5k that swing carries 290 all day
Yeah idk if lee give himself shots haha
Blake seemed better than Lee even tho his handicap was 5 worse
So buy a new driver. Got it
All I know is if that zero gives that 18 hdcp 18 strokes he is screwed!!!!
That zero is a hack
MARK DUQUETTE haha why you hatin on me so much? “Friendly” game anytime you’re in town. Hope you are having a better day soon 👍🏽
Bronson Wright count me in!
MARK DUQUETTE you’ve never seen him play actual golf!!! How would you know
Not sure Bronson is actually a 0 handicap...
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Morty
You weren't born "in this century" Lol
What?
Drive for show putt for dough
So that’s why I’m so bad
Entertainment but no real data. Sample size is too small, giving inconsistent results. Viewers want to justify new clubs so they go with the general tone of "newer is better." Spend the money on training and range time, there are no shortcuts.
Why they playing m6 irons and not players irons those are for bad players give them like p760s if they wanted taylormade irons
Maybe if we spent all this money on golf club tech on let’s say... homelessness...???
Point proven...but IMO, barely. These guys were all over the place no matter what clubs they were using. Wow that was a hot mess. I think the actual point proven was that across 100 years, yeah - technology matters - particularly with driver - I'll grant that. But when it comes to irons and especially putter, not as much as you'd think...and certainly not as much as golf club manufacturers would like you to think. Sheesh, if golf club manufacturer advertising over the last 20yrs was accurate, 18 handicappers then would be playing pro level now. Decent set of golf clubs with no trade-in is about equal to a dozen golf lessons. Moral of the story: A dozen golf lessons gonna do a heck of a lot more for your game then a new set of clubs.
It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.
They are bad with new technology either way LOL